Erase! Erase! Erase!
It’s all the rage these days. Daily Breeze:
The phone at Drum Barracks Civil War Museum in Wilmington started ringing early Friday morning.
Media outlets wanted reaction from curator/director Susan Ogle to a letter sent out by U.S. Rep. Janice Hahn urging that any Confederate battle flags be removed from the museum’s gift shop shelves.
Two problems: The letter was never sent to Ogle. And she’d already voluntarily removed the flags days earlier.
“I’ve already had calls from (two newspapers), four radio stations and two television stations,” Ogle said when contacted by the Daily Breeze on Friday morning, one day after the Breeze published an article on the Confederate memorabilia in the gift shop.
The story adds: “The Confederate flags hanging in a formal exhibit in the museum — shown in an accompanying photo and video — are not affected.”
WELL HOW DARE THEY?! There is still some history to be deleted. I want those flags GONE — gone like Israel from the maps that are used to brainwash Palestinian children. Trotsky? Never heard of him, comrade. Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia!
Reminds me of the good old days of Soviet revisionism. One minute Dear Comrade is standing next to Khrushchev atop Lenin’s Tomb in the May Day photo, the next minute it is “Comrade who? He was never there.”
in_awe (7c859a) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:00 pmwhat are they going to do about all those photos in the Ken Burns documentary?
seeRpea (187ee2) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:06 pmtrack them down to the families and destroy the photos?
Actually if reminds me of wahhabis and salafists destroying Sufi shrines, the Buddhas of Bamiyan, the treasures of Ninevah province, and everything else that remains of Jahiliyyah, the Arabic term for the “age of ignorance” that existed before Muhammad supposedly provided divine revelation.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:07 pmConfederate flags are still available at Amazon.
mg (31009b) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:17 pmNo confederate thong swimwear available.
but nazi and communist paraphernalia are available,
http://twitchy.com/2015/07/10/heartbreaking-new-book-reveals-atticus-finch-is-a-racist-parents-who-named-kids-atticus-hardest-hit/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:26 pmHey, the Taliban deleted relics of Buddhist history in Afghanistan.
We’re deleting relics of Confederate history in America.
Different cultures, same urges.
Karl L (cb2ce3) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:30 pmNo Confederate flags on Amazon, Mr. mg. But books about it, and MS and GA flags are still there, for now.
I’m sure I’ve hurt them about as much as I did the wall I punched back in my youth, but I cancelled my Amazon account. Uckfay emthay.
Matador (41c2b5) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:38 pmI don’t think it’s going to be that dire. There’s no shortage of Nazi memorabilia and no shortage of histories of WWII with all kinds of pictures of Nazis and Nazi insignia. Triumph of the Will is free on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHs2coAzLJ8
nk (dbc370) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:53 pmIt reminds me of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the moral panic to end all moral panics. They were a bit more physical (so far) but our purists have destroyed many enemies too.
http://tinyurl.com/qyfdq79
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/10/2015 @ 8:54 pmWhat is really pathetic is these corporations and schools and whatever are doing this without even being asked! They just want to be…what, politically correct! Pure?
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/10/2015 @ 9:01 pmLet’s go further. We need to expunge all references to every Supreme Court decision regarding slavery or Jim Crow: Amistad, Dredd Scott, Cruikshank, Plessy, and all the rest. Every statue to racist presidents, from Washington, Jefferson and Jackson to Lincoln (doubt me?), Wilson and Johnson. I’d say Nixon, but damn few statues to him. While we are at it, expunge Calhoun and Oliver Wendell Holmes and nearly every southern Democrat senator before about 1980.
And that’s just for starters. Next up: books.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/10/2015 @ 11:51 pmI don’t recall Icy catching this, so a belated …
R.I.P. Chuck Bednarik, last 60 minute man in pro football.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Bednarik
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:24 amDamn. Concrete Charlie is gone.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:25 amhttp://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Concrete_Charlie_defined_the_legend.html
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:33 amhttp://www.realclearsports.com/blognetwork/Chuck%20Bednarik.jpg
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:41 am“WELL HOW DARE THEY?! There is still some history to be deleted. I want those flags GONE — gone like Israel from the maps that are used to brainwash Palestinian children. Trotsky? Never heard of him, comrade. Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia!”
Meanwhile Texas officials think that children should be taught that slavery was a side-issue in the civil war. This is probably linked to why so many support the Confederacy.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:13 amSomething to offend everybody. Flag of the Gay Islamic-Christian Communazi Satan-Worshipping Pirates of the Confederate States of Israel. https://willsrandomweirdness.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/gayislamic-christiancommunazisatan.jpg
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:29 amNo they don’t, that’s a lie.
Another lie. Is there something wrong with you? You need to show me this confederacy that Texas officials support. Where is it? Who runs it? What is its GDP?
I think you just make sh!t up trying to be relevant.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:43 amThis is an article about people gift shops that sell commemorative confederate flags and you don’t know who supports the confederacy?
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:46 amMeanwhile American leftists think that children should be taught that white people are bad and America is an evil country. This is probably linked to why so many leftists support racist communist countries.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:49 amIt’s odd how defensive some folks get when you mention the possibility that some people in America fought for the wrong side.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:51 amThere is no confederacy you moron. You’re living 150 years in the past. Confederate flags in a gift shop are a historical representation of our civil war nothing more and nothing less. Only a Nazi or commie tries to deny and rewrite history. Or an out and out coward.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:52 amDon’t let imdw (that’s nbf) bait you, Hoagie. He is a puerile little troll, nothing more.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:56 amYou got that. Poor little defensive snowflakes go blind at the sight of a 150 year old fag. What a wuss. Man up and realize there was no wrong side only a winning side and a loosing side. They both believed they were right.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:57 amThat ws supposed to be a “150 year old FLAG”. Sorry. Thanks for the heads up nk. I have to take the wife to the doctor soon anyhow so I’m outta here.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:59 amI have to say, I’m beginning to wonder if this is really about the Democrats hoping that they can erase all cultural evidence that they were (and, frankly, still are) the party of segregation, racism, and aristocracy.
C. S. P. Schofield (a196fd) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:04 amI think Nikki Haley did the right thing towards defusing the issue as did the Texas DMV. The First Amendment absolutely protects the individual ownership and display of the battle flag and that’s not going to change. Not that the perpetually aggrieved will not find something else to yammer about. It’s a hormonal disorder.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:06 amAnd it is all really beside the point. A crisis not wasted.
Apparently, had existing law been enforced the murderer would never had obtained the gun.
But they are not about doing a good job governing the country, they are about transforming the country.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:25 amexactly Doc,
http://libertyunyielding.com/2015/07/09/memphis-city-council-votes-to-dig-up-remains-of-confederate-civil-war-general-wife/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:30 amAmerica unhinged.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:34 amOk. Desecrating the dead is just plain disgusting.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:39 amActually if reminds me of wahhabis and salafists destroying Sufi shrines,
A very good analogy and the guy pushing this stuff has Muslim sympathies.
I wonder if he ever recalls who said, “History is bunk !”
Nah. Too long ago.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:41 amBack when things were simpler. the Drum Barracks used to host a re-enactment of Civil War battles using miniatures. I was and still am proud that I was part of making history come alive to some of the visitors there. This is getting ridiculous. And it is going to get out of control. These modern day Jacobins are going to usher in something much, much worse than what they are trying to remove, and I just hope I am not alive to see it.
MrScience_ (cd3d49) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:38 amAnd she’d already voluntarily removed the flags days earlier.
Placed in the context of a time in US history when the occupant of the White House — the current president of the US — if he could get away with it, would happily fly a rainbow flag atop 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and many of his supplicants (ie, a large percentage of the Democrat Party and squishy Americans from sea to shining sea) would nod in agreement and even whoop and cheer.
Mark (aa035f) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:48 amReprogram the brainwashed:
http://www.redstate.com/diary/ipolitics/2014/06/30/thoughts-coming-collapse-united-states-america/
Diversity kills community, whodathunk?
DNF (208255) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:17 amWell, it’s a good tactic…when you have your ‘enemy’ off-balance keep pushing so they don’t regain their footing and be able to effectively fight back. When they are running, keep kicking them in the a$$ so they can’t stop. When it looks like they are about to surrender, take no prisoners – shoot them in the back and move on to the next target.
Unfortunately, the ProgSocialist Left sees anyone even slightly to their political right as a mortal enemy to be destroyed at any cost. Those on the right apparently enjoy taking the pounding.
MJN1957 (f1b2f0) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:42 amthe culture or lack there of, is the main problem.
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:46 amDiversity kills community, whodathunk?
This quote from that essay is fascinating because it illustrates that as much as things change, some things never change:
^ That’s in tandem with, as another example, the famous ancient Greek philosopher Plato dealing with the issue of homosexuality, first in his earlier years (when he dismissed anti-homosexuality as being — to paraphrase — the emotions of a troglodyte), then in his later years (when he ended up strongly condemning what today is labeled “GLBT”), in a way that sounds identical to the countervailing reactions/opinions in the 21st century.
What goes around, comes around.
Mark (aa035f) — 7/11/2015 @ 9:09 amtomato, tomatoe:
http://babalublog.com/2015/07/10/bolivian-marxist-crucifix-leaves-vatican-scrambling-for-lame-excuses/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/11/2015 @ 9:19 amthat museum is super-close to where tony scott offed himself
happyfeet (831175) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:25 amomg the pope is a commie
omg the pope is a commie
omg the pope is a commie
heir of a murderous and depraved ideology, he
happyfeet (831175) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:27 amWhen this pendulum swings back it’s gonna be a sonofabeech. Stock up on popcorn.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:37 amConfederate Lives/Flags Matter
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:12 am“Piss It Away Now” by the Ice Cold Pickled Peppers
What we’ve got they wanna give it to their mama
What we’ve got they wanna give it to their papa
What we’ve got they wanna give it to their daughter
They climb a little fence and then they drink a little water
What we got’s for us it isn’t for you
What we got’s for us it isn’t for you
What we got’s for us it isn’t for you
Reeling with the feeling just stop! don’t continue
Realize we don’t wanna to be the misers
You fix your own home you’ll be the wiser
Patience thin no time for uprisers
’bout time Obama got some new advisors
[Chorus]
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
we can’t tell if they’re a kingpin or a pauper
overrun by little people in a sea of distress
Dems want ’em here for their votes is my guess
Shut the door send ’em home would work best
Throw the Dems out we say hell yes!
Claim we’re low brow we should like us more diversity
They don’t unite, they divide ain’t good for you or me
So get smart get down with the pow wow
Never been a better time than right now
Barack Obama to them is a prophet
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:20 amBut Obama’s a bum he needs to stop it
Obama don’t walk it like he talk it
he keeps this up only enemies gonna profit
[Chorus]
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
Piss it away piss it away piss it away now
“Diversity kills community, whodathunk?”
This poor guy is very upset that women, blacks and gays might get to be part of the mainstream.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:57 amWhen this pendulum swings back it’s gonna be a sonofabeech.
I dunno. They seem to look on it as a ratchet.
Gay marriage, for one thing, isn’t going away. While we were circulating Prop 8 in CA, the CA Supremes found a right to gay marriage in the margins of the State Constitution. Then Prop 8 changed the Constitution to say otherwise. But the damage had been done: the federal courts ruled that since SSM had already been declared a “right”, the constitutional amendment was unconstitutional.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:10 pmWell, I heard Mr. Young sing about her
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:22 pmWell, I heard ol’ Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don’t need him around anyhow
Slavery was not the primary reason Lincoln fought the Civil War. That is clear.
Patterico (3cc0c1) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:25 pmAgreed. I think he was fighting for the United States. Why did he have to? Secession.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:43 pmCorrect. So while I would not use the words “side issue,” slavery was not the ONLY issue for the South (although it was a major issue) and it was definitely NOT the central issue for Lincoln.
Meaning the big controversy you cite is overblown.
Patterico (3cc0c1) — 7/11/2015 @ 12:46 pmDuring the war, on August 14, 1862 (over 4 months before the Emancipation Proclamation) Abraham Lincoln hosted a group of free black leaders in the White House for the purpose of informing them of his plans to remove them from the US and to colonize them in Africa, and in Central and South America.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 1:04 pmIt’s more like it was the “reason for the season,” the point of the Confederacy. See, for example Texas’ declaration of the causes of secession. It’s hard to excerpt just one part, since slavery is found throughout that declaration. Or pick those of some other states.
Lincoln rightly recognized the Confederacy as a belligerent, existential threat to the United States of America.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 1:05 pmDoes he s**t in the woods?
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/11/2015 @ 1:15 pmYou may rely on it.
happyfeet (831175) — 7/11/2015 @ 1:29 pmAlthough we are often flooded with pious claims the War Against Southern Independence was primarily, if not all but exclusively, about slavery, the official record refutes that claim.
U.S. Congress by unanimous resolution on July 23, 1861: The War Resolution
According to the resolution itself, the purpose of the war against the South was not an attempt to overthrow or interfere with the institutions” of the states, but to keep the Union intact by force of arms.
If the proponents of slavery as the primary cause of the war insist on continuing to press their bogus argument, they have no choice but to define “institutions of the states” as somehow excluding the peculiar institution.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 1:31 pmThis poor guy is very upset that women, blacks and gays might get to be part of the mainstream.
A qualifier is needed for that statement: “…upset that LIBERAL women, LIBERAL blacks and LIBERAL gays might get to be…”
In turn, if the big mouths in those grievance groups were staunch conservatives, many on the left would holler “go back into the kitchen, go back to the back of the bus, and go back into the closet!!”
Mark (aa035f) — 7/11/2015 @ 2:01 pmYou are aware that nbf is a serial multi-name asshat troll, right?
JD (3b5483) — 7/11/2015 @ 2:57 pmSheriff Joe should be the head of home land security.
mg (31009b) — 7/11/2015 @ 3:05 pmI agree with Patterico that slavery wasn’t the only issue, either. In order to avoid secession, Lincoln in his First Inaugural address agreed with the Corwin Amendment that expressly protected slavery in the States where it already existed. Congress had already approved it with the necessary Constitutional majority, and it had the support of Lincoln’s predecessor Buchanan. It would have been the 13th Amendment.
Is this Washington Post editorial where you got your talking points, nbf?
Slavery is part of the curriculum, isn’t it?
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 3:34 pmI demand that we IMMEDIATELY remove all images oF US Grant from anywhere in America. It is a well-known FACT that he was a slave owner and that he continued to hold his slaves in bondage even after Robert E Lee had freed his slaves!
There is no excuse for such bigotry and racism and hate!
Therefore, please send all of your $50 bills to me immediately so that these offending images will be excised from our society and racism can be fully and finally expunged from America.
WarEagle82 (d35bad) — 7/11/2015 @ 3:45 pmJackhammer Mnt. Rushmore
mg (31009b) — 7/11/2015 @ 4:31 pmChop down the Paul Bunyan statue
Sink the USS Constitution
Idiots.
From my POV the cold facts are that the Civil War was fought because a small group of Southerners thought of themselves as Aristocrats, and acted that way. They wanted to be in a position to boss other people around; not just Black Slaves, but the poor whites who couldn’t compete with the advantages that Slavery gave the Plantation owner. What they saw in the growing political power of the North was less the end of Slavery than the rise of Industrialism (with which they could no more compete than their European counterparts). They wanted no part of a society n which anyone but themselves might have the most power, and so they seceded.
They spun the “States Rights” nonsense to convince the vast White majority for whom Slavery did little or nothing to fight and die on its behalf. That they clearly didn’t give a fat damn about “State’s Rights” is clear from the way they pushed the Fugitive Slave Act, disallowing Free states their right to treat slaves was contraband.
Lincoln may have fought the war to preserve the Union, but I strongly suspect that the vast majority of Northerners who fought did so (if they had a reason other than the draft) because the South had been lording it over the North for a long time, and elements of the North wanted to give the South a good kicking.
Funny how things don’t change much, eh? The Democrat Party is STILL the party of a bunch of obnoxious elitist a$$holes who believe they should tell the rest of us how to live. They still treat people completely differently based on who their ancestors were, with emphasis on skin color. They still consider anyone outside they clique a present. And the Peasants are once again growing restive.
C. S. P. Schofield (a196fd) — 7/11/2015 @ 4:38 pmI certainly never agreed with slavery and don;t agree with it now, where it is mostly in Muslim countries. However, the Civil War was fought bravely on both sides and actually set the pattern for industrial war for 100 years. Confederate generals like Nathan Bedford Forrest, which the black city council of Memphis (otherwise distinguished as the #3 most violent city in the US) plans to dig up along with his wife, was a founder of irregular war in northern Mississippi. He was highly effective. His views on slavery were those of a young man who never owned slaves and who was almost illiterate.
Mao’s Red Guards would be pleased. I wonder what the Mayor of Memphis will do with their bones ? Throw them in the river?
Mike K (90dfdc) — 7/11/2015 @ 4:56 pmAntebellum the Union was referred to as These United States, after the war it was The United States. There’s a difference and it’s an important one.
Clearly the Founders intended for the people to be sovereign. It’s the principle that the authority of government is both created and sustained only by the ongoing consent of the people acting through their elected representatives. The people, and only the people, are the repository of all legitimate political power.
Yet, today we have a renegade chief executive who rules by fiat and executive order, and we have high handed federal judges who overturn the vote of the people and substitute their own preferences under color of authority they don’t possess.
These are but 2 of the adverse consequences of Mr Lincoln’s illegal war.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:01 pmSlavery did not die quietly of its own accord. It went down fighting to the bitter end-and it lost only because Europeans had gunpowder weapons first. The advance of European imperialism around the world marked the retreat of the slave trade and then of slavery itself. The British stamped out slavery, not only throughout the British Empire-which included one-forth of the world, whether measured in land or people-but also by its pressures and its actions against other nations.”
mg (31009b) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:05 pmThomas Sowell Page 116-117 Black Rednecks and White Liberals
Best book I ever bought.
Mike K. @63, indeed. Is there no one who cares about honest American history (David McCullough, Douglas Brinkley I’m looking at you) who will step in to call outrage and halt on this erasing of our nation’s past? It’s too bad Shelby Foote is no longer with us. When it is considered OK to vilify Robert E. Lee and Thomas Jefferson and decent people don’t stand up to it there is something seriously wrong.
elissa (a6ffd0) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:12 pmSlavery died a natural death of its own accord in Central and South American nations and in most Caribbean island nations as well, and all without the necessity of a bloody civil war.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:18 pmI love revisionism. The British only nominally “abolished” slavery. They still had bond servitude, apprenticeship, and penal servitude. Blackbirding was still going on in the Pacific and South America in the late 1800s, under the label of “contract labor”. Slavery in Haiti died a “natural death”. Right. When the slaves rose up and stuck knives in their masters’ hearts in 1791.
Paint it any way you want, the proximate cause of the Civil War was the question of slavery in the territories and new states. As exemplified by the Kansas-Missouri border war, which started before the Civil War. The slave states saw the writing on the wall. They were going to be outnumbered. A Constitutional amendment to abolish slavery was inevitable. That’s why they seceded.
Which does not mean that I will not support a boycott of Memphis if they desecrate Forrest’s grave.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:36 pmSLAVERY ISN’T DEAD!!!
It is practiced all over the world to this day and there may be more people held in slavery now than at any other time in the history of the world.
Furthermore, more than 90% of all Africans sold into slavery in the 17th and 18th centuries went to South America and not North America. Slavery was not unique to the American Colonies but they would have you believe it.
WarEagle82 (d35bad) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:42 pm#68, nk wrote A Constitutional amendment to abolish slavery was inevitable.
We’ve been over this point before. Constitutional amendments require approval by 3/4th of the States. Do the math, in the years before, during, and after the war the seceding states (and several more that countenanced slavery but remained in the Union) had more than sufficient numbers to defeat any proposed amendments.
We agree that slavery was on its way out in the 1860s, but the South didn’t secede in order to preserve an institution already on its death bed, the US Constitution already contained sufficient protections to have prevented abolition. Fighting against slavery is an attractive position for Northerners to take, but it’s nothing more than self-serving, ego-flattering, feel-good nonsense.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:00 pmRopelight, if the South did not secede to protect slavery, why did it secede?
And note the issue was phrased as States Rights, not Individual Rights.
Meanwhile the WaPo publishes an oped that backs up Patterico, DRJ, et alii.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:09 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-north-misremembered/2015/07/10/2def245e-2667-11e5-aae2-6c4f59b050aa_story.html?tid=pm_pop_b
O-kay. The following free states joined the Confederacy in secession due to oppression by tyrannical federal whatsises:
1.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:09 pm2.
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Ropelight, there’s a difference between 1) Lincoln’s primary motive was to preserve the Union and not abolition and 2) the South did not secede primarily because of slavery. And historical perspective is also not the same as slave owner thinking at the time.
nk (dbc370) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:13 pm67. It did require intervention by the central government to end slavery in Brazil, and royal decrees in Cuba and Puerto Rico, all three well after our Civil War (1888, 1886, 1873)
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:23 pm#71, kishnevi asked, Ropelight, if the South did not secede to protect slavery, why did it secede?
For the same reasons the 13 colonies seceded from Great Britain.
The following hint is from your link:
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:25 pmNow we are digging up bodies? Good God, this is barbaric!
And history students I managed wrote about Lincoln’s reasons for the War, and of course there was politics and nuance involved. But he always thought slavery was wrong.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:27 pmPatricia, did you know that Lincoln proposed an amendment to the US Constitution in March of 1861, a month before the outbreak of hostilities at Fort Sumter?
Lincoln’s proposed amendment would have enshrined the institution of slavery in in the Constitution in perpetuity. That indicates to me that Lincoln was more interested in preserving the Union than he was in the well-being of slaves.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:45 pmLincoln’s proposed amendment would have enshrined the institution of slavery in in the Constitution in perpetuity. That indicates to me that Lincoln was more interested in preserving the Union than he was in the well-being of slaves.
As nk said above, and my link makes clear, Lincoln making war for defense of the union does not negate the fact that the South seceded for the sake of preserving slavery.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:51 pmAnd, as I’ve pointed out if the South wanted to preserve slavery the surest and most efficient way to do so was to remain in the Union and prevent any anti-slavery amendments from reaching the necessary 3/4ths needed for ratification.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 6:58 pmRopelight, the South disagreed with you on that.
kishnevi (93670d) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:07 pmG’night y’all. I have a flight tomorrow morning. And I never bumped into Mitt.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 5:01 pm
That is interesting.
I must say, the more I hear the more confused I am. It seems quite substantiated from undisputed info that Lincoln’s #1 concern was maintaining the union, even if it meant perpetuating slavery.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:23 pmBut, I have no idea if isolated statements reflecting that point were truly indicative of what he thought, or simply statements he made “as a politician” at appropriate times.
I have yet to see any claims of quotes, etc. to conflict with what I grew up thinking of Lee, that he was no big supporter of slavery, but that he did think the South needed to solve it themselves and identified first as a Virginian under invasion from the North.
Confederate General Patrick Cleburne warned his fellow Southerners in 1864 of the consequences to come if the South lost the War for Independence.
Cleburne was right, to this day Northern propaganda has never stopped characterizing Southerners as racists, hatemongers, and traitors. They teach it in the schools and colleges. They proclaim it as established fact and now the emboldened self-righteous ghouls want to dig up the Confederate dead, dishonor their memory, and desecrate their graves sites.
And, to what end? To posture as paragons of racial equality? How very fashionable.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:41 pmI think Lincoln opposed slavery but I also think he cared more about preserving the Union than ending slavery, which would explain why he let West Virginia secede from Virginia:
… and why West Virginia was allowed to become a State in 1863, but only if it also kept its existing slaves pursuant to the Willey Amendment.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:49 pmropelight,
Are you talking about the Corwin Amendment? If so, I wasn’t aware it was proposed by Lincoln, although he did support it.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:52 pmIn fairness, I grant there is a basis for thinking Lincoln played a role in promoting the Corwin Amendment. He might have been behind it, but there is so little research on this topic that it’s hard to know for sure. To me, Seward’s involvement is the strongest evidence that Lincoln was involved.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 7:55 pmMD, General Robert E Lee did indeed object to slavery and he did believe it was an issue to be addressed by the individual states. He was also a serving officer in the federal Army on the eve of hostilities and wished to remain so during the coming conflict. Lee requested an assignment where he would not be required to use force against his native state of Virginia.
Lee’s request was denied. Had he remained in the federal Army he would have been in command of the defenses of Washington DC, directly across the Potomac from his home in Arlington, Virginia.
Lee was a Virginia aristocrat, his father was ‘Light Horse” Harry Lee, a hero of the Revolutionary War. However, first and foremost Lee was a Virginian. Today we don’t understand how the allegiance to a state could take precedence over allegiance to the nation, but in the 1860’s the federal government was considered the servant of the states, not their master.
Before the war states were sovereign and the Union was their construct. We have only to examine the federal government’s adherence to the 10th amendment’s restrictions to know how far America has strayed from the organization of independent states our Founders envisioned.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:12 pm“And, as I’ve pointed out if the South wanted to preserve slavery the surest and most efficient way to do so was to remain in the Union and prevent any anti-slavery amendments from reaching the necessary 3/4ths needed for ratification.”
You should read what the south actually had to say about how they felt about staying in the Union, and how much they needed their slaves. They certainly weren’t thinking along these lines.
I really don’t understand this need to find something to be redeemed about the Confederacy.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:14 pmThe history of the Willey Amendment.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:15 pmnbf,
It’s history so it should be accurate and not rewritten to satisfy modern sensibilities.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:16 pmSome do.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:17 pmLee requested an assignment where he would not be required to use force against his native state of Virginia.
Interesting. I had never heard that.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:21 pmDRJ, yes, I believe Lincoln’s proposed amendment was introduced in the Senate by Wm Seward and in the House by Thomas Corwin. It was an attempt to prevent secession by institutionalizing slavery in perpetuity.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:23 pm“It’s history so it should be accurate and not rewritten to satisfy modern sensibilities.”
Which is why we should stop trying so hard to redeem the Confederacy.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:25 pmI also, DRJ, at least I have little sense of allegiance to places like California that seem to pride themselves on a hostile, even if non-violent, take over of the culture of the rest of the country.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:26 pmIt isn’t the South that’s in need of redemption.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:29 pmRopelight–with respect–it would be nice and good blog etiquette if you would use links or at least list the sources of some of your statements and pronouncements. You often seem to make statements and then expect others to go off and verify or refute them. This occurred on another thread recently where the civil war was being discussed and while several of your statements prompted interesting discussion (which is always good) , most of them were found not to be entirely or even partially accurate.
elissa (a6ffd0) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:39 pmMD, on April 17th 1861 General Winfield Scott offered the command of United States forces defending Washington DC to Colonel Robert E. Lee. Scott identified Lee to President Lincoln as the very finest soldier I’ve ever seen.
However, Virginia voted to leave the Union that same day. Lee personally disapproved of secession, but he was resistant to the possibility of using arm force against his home state of Virginia. Lee asked Scott if he could have an assignment that would keep him outside the scope of hostilities. Scott is reported to have replied
Lee then resigned and went south to join the Confederacy.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:45 pmelissa, I reject your accusation that my comments are dishonest. You may apologize or you may offer proof of my duplicity. One or the other.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 8:48 pmI think we have ourselves a true Lost Causer.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 9:00 pmPlease just use links ropelight. That’s what others do. Why not provide a source for #82, #97? That’s all I’m saying. (Also see #77, #84, #85, #92)
elissa (a6ffd0) — 7/11/2015 @ 9:02 pmelissa, asking for links is one thing, accusing me of making false statements is quite another thing entirely. You wrote that some of my comments “were found not to be entirely or even partially accurate.”
Again, you may apologize or you may offer proof. One or the other.
ropelight (5449bb) — 7/11/2015 @ 9:31 pmnbf:
How is it redeeming the Confederacy to try to understand what motivated the participants? The Washington Post says Texas school books describe the Confederacy’s motivations as “sectionalism, states’ rights and slavery.” Slavery was obviously a cause of the Civil War but was it the exclusive cause, as you suggest?
Is the Union so in need of redemption that you feel the need to redefine the causes of the Civil War?
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:08 pmMy point is if you’re looking for the causes of secession you need to look no further than what the southern states said about it at the time. Sure they were sectionalist, over slavery. Sure states’ rights was an issue: they didn’t like free states having the right to refuse to return their slaves, or make it hard for them to transit with their slaves.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:15 pmI could not say it better myself.
There is an amateur thug tonight threatening my job for saying something very similar on the Twitters tonight.
(No, I’m not worried.)
Patterico (3cc0c1) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:23 pmThen to Twitter I shall fly in your defense.
Lord, how I hate Twitter.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/11/2015 @ 10:25 pmJust read your Twitter feed. Clearly, it’s not just your speech he wants to limit, but what he really is upset with is that you really believe it. I guess because he’s used to saying things he doesn’t believe??? It’s surprising how easily threatened these small self-important arbiters of speech really are. Challenge them and it’s veiled threats as they tuck their tails firmly between their legs. So unattractive and painful to watch.
Dana (86e864) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:11 pmhttps://books.google.com/books?id=3cY9AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA587&dq=%E2%80%9CIt+means+that+the+history+of+this+heroic+struggle+will+be+written+by+the+enemy.+That+our+youth+will+be+trained+by+Northern+school+teachers;+will+learn+from+Northern+school+books+their+version+of+the+war;+will+be+impressed+by+all+of+the+influences+of+History+and+Education+to+regard+our+gallant+dead+as+traitors+and+our+maimed+veterans+as+fit+subjects+for+derision.%E2%80%9D&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oQSiVc_nIoq3yASBvbNw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CIt%20means%20that%20the%20history%20of%20this%20heroic%20struggle%20will%20be%20written%20by%20the%20enemy.%20That%20our%20youth%20will%20be%20trained%20by%20Northern%20school%20teachers%3B%20will%20learn%20from%20Northern%20school%20books%20their%20version%20of%20the%20war%3B%20will%20be%20impressed%20by%20all%20of%20the%20influences%20of%20History%20and%20Education%20to%20regard%20our%20gallant%20dead%20as%20traitors%20and%20our%20maimed%20veterans%20as%20fit%20subjects%20for%20derision.%E2%80%9D&f=false
RE: #82. Sorry for the long link, but… blog etiquette.
Matador (41c2b5) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:13 pmhttp://thomaslegion.net/generalwinfieldscottbiographicalsketch.html
Matador (41c2b5) — 7/11/2015 @ 11:21 pm“History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.” — Napoleon Bonaparte
“History is written by the victors.” — Winston Churchill
“The Civil War was fought so that men can marry men and women can merry women.” — Anthony Kennedy
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:42 amR; slavery and the Civil War.
While the Republican Party was not prepared, at that time, to abolish slavery, or maybe even change the Figitive Slave Act, and certainly not prohibit the interstate trade in slaves, which was its right under the constitution, slavery was in reality the cause of the war.
What the opinion of slavery in the North meant was that no southern politician could aspire to national office, and what’s more, on secondary issues, like the tariff, there wouldn’t much sympathy because anybody who defended slavery would be personally reviled, and it was impossible for any politician from the south not to, and slave states would get into a even greater minoroty with the admission of new free states.
The ambitions of southern politicians were closed off unless they set up a separate country where they could aspire to hold high offices.
And that was the reason for the Civil War.
Plus, having gotten things to the point where nobody could make an argument aagnst slavery, thois got extended in 1860-1861, and nobody could make an argument aaginst secession either,
Sammy Finkelman (0b9794) — 7/12/2015 @ 6:14 amThat is not true.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:31 amThere are so many things wrong with this Connecticut story that I don’t even know where to start.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:39 amThanks DRJ, that Clinton/Gore button is a real hoot.
ropelight (355a00) — 7/12/2015 @ 10:49 amI wonder what the reaction will be when pushcarts in Huntington Park start selling Rebel Battle Flags?
askeptic (efcf22) — 7/12/2015 @ 12:54 pmMy personal reaction/revolt to all this PC madness would be a James Dean T-shirt:
askeptic (efcf22) — 7/12/2015 @ 12:57 pmJim, looking out from his ’49-Merc coupe overlain on the Battle Flag, with the text of “Never a Confederate” above the flag, and “Always a Rebel” below it.
I’m shaking and almost vomiting because of that story, DRJ. I have to run.
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2015 @ 1:51 pmI don’t know what’s so wrong about it. Some ignorant person called the police, who came, ascertained that nothing illegal was going on, and informed the caller of this. You’re bothered by ignorance? Surely you’re used to it by now. At least the cops weren’t ignorant.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/12/2015 @ 2:03 pm“I had to check with the chief over what is actionable and what isn’t,” according to the mayor. “Unless something violates state or federal law, there’s no jurisdiction for government to do anything. We had to ask, is it something controlled by law?”
Imagine that.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/12/2015 @ 2:07 pmIt’s sad that someone so ignorant could be elected mayor of anywhere, but at least he asked someone ho knew, and accepted the correct answer.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/12/2015 @ 2:13 pmIt’s CT DRJ, it’s CT!
askeptic (efcf22) — 7/12/2015 @ 3:24 pmi got your “cheap replicas” “used as symbols of hate” right here
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 3:32 pmAmen, bro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHILSChixg
Amen plus eleventy.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:01 pmThere are so many things wrong with this Connecticut story that I don’t even know where to start.
The complainer, foolish and wacky enough to call 911 in the first place, apparently is of the Jewish faith and probably (likely) is a full-blown liberal/leftist. As such, I bet he’d have turned the other cheek if the swapmeet seller was a Muslim hawking a lot of pro-Sharia junk.
Whenever a reaction or opinion of some person described in a news report is really idiotic, it invariably — invariably — is emanating from a person of the left.
Mark (aa035f) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:12 pmwell good I’m glad we got that cleared up
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:16 pmYou’ll be pleased to know, Mr. feets, I just did 15 Gama casts with the sledgehammer. Or, 30, if you count the right and left casts individually.
This follows the 20 I did this morning broken up by the right and left lunges and later the squats.
https://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/great-gama.jpg
I am such a raaaacist.
Anyhoo, the upshot is if you gave me cookie or even a falafel I’d prolly puke, so the diet is going well, too.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:36 pmWinston said “History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.” And he did. At great length.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:44 pmgood job Mr. 57
my favorite falafel here so far comes from naf naf they just do a really good job but their pitas especially are really kinda to die for
plus they have robotic meat-cutting robots
it’s the goddamn future
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:47 pmMilhouse,
Here is the Wallingford CT newspaper’s report on this story. I’m linking it because it has more details — Mark is right that the complainant is Jewish — and because it has photos of the flea market “booths” and location. It is nothing more than a roadside stand with a few tables of used goods and cast-offs that you might find in a pitiful garage sale in my town.
Here are my concerns:
1. An adult citizen called 911 because he was offended. That would get him arrested in my town for abuse of 911. It gets him newspaper coverage as a sensitive being in Wallingford (the home of Choate and a neighbor of New Haven and Yale).
2. This Mayor and every mayor should know that selling non-pornographic items, even if they are offensive, is not a crime. If he doesn’t know that, he has no business being a mayor.
3. The Police Chief correctly states that this isn’t a crime, but then focuses on the fact this is private property. Since when is Skokie not the law in Wallingford CT? And why does the Police Chief say the owner could “preclude this merchandise” — as if anything offensive but legal should nevertheless be eliminated? My bet is that the flag of Israel will be next on the list of offensive merchandise that should be precluded.
4. Finally, the Anti-Defamation League spokesman describes this as legal but hateful, which in today’s world is the path to eliminating free speech protection. I’m sure he and this complainant would be fine with that. Do these Jews think they would have any protection at all if hate were the standard for protecting or eliminating free speech?
The complainant is right that this story should make people shake and almost vomit, but he is wrong on why that’s so.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:47 pmMy bet is that the flag of Israel will be next on the list of offensive merchandise that should be precluded.
i’m a not bet against you ma’am
ok yeah that’s not crazy
we’re setting sail
to the place on the map from which no one has ever returned
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:53 pmDoes Naf Naf allow concealed carry?
mg (31009b) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:55 pmWife just received this in an email…
“We now live about 30 miles from Fresno. We are up in the Sierras and Fresno is the first big town we encounter when we leave the mountains. We shop there often. I received this from my ex-homicide partner who is still active in law enforcement circles in the Fresno area.
Excuse the language, but don’t excuse the facts. Don’t give up your guns, and buy necessary ammunition if you can find it. Be cautious and alert. Be ready if, God forbid, we need to protect our families and loved ones.
If you weren’t at the Rotary meeting on Friday, you missed the only decent speaker we’ve had in more than a year. LTC John Cotter is the 144th Fighter Wing’s anti terrorism officer. John had a two-part presentation. First part was describing his job as the units anti terrorism officer. Pretty standard stuff.
The second part was information that will curl your hair. A Part-time air guardsman works as a checker at local Von’s. Two women in full burkas buy every pre-paid cell phone in the store. Clerk/airman gets to thinking about it. Goes to Cotter and reports incident. Cotter asks store for surveillance video. It’s scary enough that he contacts Fresno FBI.
FBI investigates and determines these women have been doing this all over the Valley. Cell phones shipped through Canada to Iraq/Afghanistan where they become triggers for roadside bombs.
The Shell station at Peach and Shaw. Every time a local GI goes there in fatigues they are asked specific questions. What is your unit? When are you deploying? How many aircraft are you taking?
The F-16s out of Fresno fly CAP for west coast. As such they are the first line of defense so they have the US ‘s most sophisticated air-to-air missiles. Foreign governments would like to get their hands on those missiles or at least learn how to build them. Also how many we have, etc. Two spy groups are working on it, one based at Fashion Fair Mall (the F-16s take-off pattern) and one based at Sierra Vista Mall (the F-16s landing pattern).
Cotter said the {men of Middle Eastern descent] are always probing the base. Two dorks in a pickup show up at the front gate wanting to deliver a package marked Air National Guard, Fresno. No postage, no UPS, no FedEx, no DHL, no nothing. Just a probe.
I asked Cotter why we haven’t seen anything about this in The Bee, on KMJ, on local TV news. He said they’re not interested. Since Friday I’ve learned of two other things. My brother-in-law, Frank, (management at Avaya) had a Muslim tech who took a leave-of-absence for 6 weeks in Afghanistan . After the 6 weeks were up he called from New York requesting an extension. Frank (who does profile) said, you’re fired, and called the Fresno FBI who were very interested. Don’t know the outcome.
A Muslim who owns a liquor store in my former hometown of Kingsburg was constantly bugging customers to buy guns for him. Finally one of the guys I grew up with called the FBI.
We are a country at war and the enemy is among us. I don’t care what Janet Napolitano says, it’s a fight to the death and we should be prepared as possible.
There are a certain number (probably a large number) of Muslims among us who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can, sort of a Fort Hood on steroids. I know I’m getting prepared to shoot back.
Two items of interest: Sheriff Margaret Mims wants to grant concealed carry permits to all who are qualified. Columnist Jim Boren, among the most bleeding of the bleeding heart liberals, says it’s time for Fresno residents to arm themselves. LOAD up, you can bet this is happening in places other than Fresno ….
I was asked to send this to everyone in my address book. Some of those I’m sending it to WILL NOT share it! To those I say, get your head out of the sand and look around with an open mind or before you know it we will no longer be living in the land of the free and the brave!”
We are under attack from a hidden enemy that is everywhere. They are a cancer that WILL attack us and KILL as many as they can to further the Islamic doctrine of Sharia law. They behead, cut off limbs, stone people to death and worse. Beware, there IS a holy war coming. The signs are everywhere if you care to look and listen.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:59 pmDoes Naf Naf allow concealed carry?
nope but i always just do takeout
the one i go to on Michigan
the restroom’s one level down
you have to take an elevator
it’s astoundingly terrifying
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 4:59 pmThanks so much for the info, Col.
mg (31009b) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:08 pmProfile everyone everywhere. That is what I taught my two girls, and of course, being a good shot.
@126, I also did 15 kettle bell get up sit ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_yZFg3q-I
Or 30, depending on how you count.
If I had eaten yesterday, I’d have puked.
And, yes, I was using the chick weights.
On the downside I called my horse riding instructor and told her I’d have to regret until further notice. Doing the splits on a bouncing Quarterhorse was taking a negative toll on my sex life.
Who came up with this?
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:22 pmRachel has her own agenda
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:28 pmhorses and me, we have an understanding
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:28 pm@135, can you let me in on it? Because a Pinto down here Tejas way just about bounced me into Caitlyn Jenner territory.
And I’d rather not got there.
He was hitting me where the good Lord split me to the point joints were dislocating.
That’s just not natural, I don’t care what you see in cowboy movies.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:40 pmwe don’t talk we don’t send Christmas cards we have separate brunch places
that’s how me and the horses roll
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:42 pmThe Iditarod. That’s something I can believe in. Dogs hauling my fat arse around, no unnatural movements on my part required.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:43 pmyou might wanna ask Mr. JD about that
happyfeet (831175) — 7/12/2015 @ 5:45 pm“Wife just received this in an email…”
Snopes got it about 5 years ago.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/12/2015 @ 6:01 pmIt has gotten to the point where I don’t know who or what in the US worries me more: The deranged, politically-correct nitwits throughout the federal government — set against a rainbow-colored White House and dumbed-down Supreme Court — or the foreign subversives that the NSA/CIA/FBI and Nidal-Hassan-ized US military are supposedly safeguarding us from. I make that comment with a tiny bit of facetiousness, but also with far more seriousness than I would have in the past.
Mark (aa035f) — 7/12/2015 @ 6:34 pmSnopes only had info about the two Islamists Obama and Napolitano appointed to DHS, simp…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2015 @ 6:37 pmAnd the guy that presented at the Rotary meeting.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:03 pmand the troll who sleeps under the overpass…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:19 pmYou really believed that email. Check Snopes next time.
nbf (4aae12) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:22 pmSteve @136
kishnevi (93670d) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:28 pmAre you aware that at one time riding horses was a discreet way for properly raised women to satisfy their special urges?
nbf is correct about the email.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/burqacell.asp
At the very least, it has been making the rounds for over five years.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:33 pmReference to Nappy was the first clue.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:37 pmYou can’t get prepaid cell phones without ID for a long time now. Thanks, Medellin.
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2015 @ 7:38 pmkishnevi @146, no doubt. But regardless. You could get from point A to point B, rocks got off in between more or less not withstanding.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 8:46 pmthere’s a reason it’s called londonistan,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11733968/By-day-at-heart-of-counter-terror-policing.-And-by-night-preacher-of-extremism.html
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/12/2015 @ 8:48 pmit has been making the rounds for over five years.
Well, that nails it. In a way it does make more sense to be as worried about, or actually even more worried about, the threat posed by the Lois-Lerner-deranged feds, whose Obama-ized shenanigans have been well documented over the past 5 years, than that of foreign terrorists.
Mark (aa035f) — 7/12/2015 @ 8:51 pmApparently Muhammad met Harry and Sally. And decided it’s just.
So!
Good!
OMG!
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 8:54 pmI’m an old cowhand from the Rio Grande
nk (dbc370) — 7/12/2015 @ 8:59 pmAnd I learned to ride before I learned to stand
I’m a ridin’ fool who is up to date
I know every trail in the Lone Star State
‘Cause I ride the range in a Ford V-8
Yippee I oh ti-ay, yippee I oh ti-ay
Yep, all I said was my wife just received the email. But even if it’s from several years ago and false, I think many of the terror-related activities described are more likely to happen than not. Just my opinion.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:04 pm“Lt. Col. Cotter told us, “That is my real name, and I am the Antiterrorism Officer at the 144th, but that’s the end of the accuracy of Mr Wright’s viral e-mail account”: “
nbf (4aae12) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:11 pmI believe the WH and the administration is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood types, Colonel. Huma’s folks founded it and if elected Hillary! will install her in the White House ala Reggie Love.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:11 pmHe gets out of bed. She rolls away. “So, will I see you again?”
He says nothing. The door shuts. In the motel courtyard she hears…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLqH7eoZiT0
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:20 pmI worry about the sleeper cells and the people that make it easy for them to slip into the country. They have common cause.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:25 pmI’m an old cowhand from the Rio Grande
JVW (8278a3) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:29 pmAnd I’m border patrol for this whole fine land
Grab a beer from inside the fridge
Don’t stop migrants comin’ cross the bridge
‘Cause they’ll only say I have white privilege
Yippee I oh ti-ay, yippee I oh ti-ay
I’d give one testicle for this car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdbfslRvwJk
Sincerely the guy who passed on the pristine all original 409/4 speed Bel Air for only $30K who wishes he had it to do all over again.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/12/2015 @ 9:48 pmI’ll gladly take that bet and take your money. This delusion some people on the right have, that the anti-religion types are not equally anti-Moslem, and that Moslems get legal breaks in the USA that others don’t get, is astonishing.
Milhouse (7d5ad7) — 7/13/2015 @ 10:42 amThat must be a very small town. People call 911 for all kinds of nonsense, and I’ve never heard of anyone being arrested for it.
It’s sad that ignorant people get elected mayor, but that’s democracy for you. As I wrote above, at least he checked with someone who knew better.
He didn’t say “should”, he said “could”. As in, if you want it taken off the market, speak to the owner. If it were on public property, there might be some violation to look for that could let the city close the sale down.
It already is by some people. And that’s their right, so long as the law doesn’t take sides. 4. Finally, the Anti-Defamation League spokesman describes this as legal but hateful,Which is true
Really? Can you give me a few examples of “hate speech” being banned in the USA? Last I heard the 1st amendment was as solid as it’s ever been since it was enacted, and no attempt to forcibly shut down “hate speech” has succeeded. 1st amendment decisions at the Supreme Court are usually unanimous or close to it.
Milhouse (7d5ad7) — 7/13/2015 @ 10:51 amMany Americans (especially Democrats) support bans on hate speech, and it already exists on college campuses like Harvard.
I’m sure abuse of 911 emergency lines happens everywhere, often for the silliest of reasons. I know 911 officials ignore most of the inappropriate calls but the best way to stop them is to prosecute abusive calls, whether they are made in large cities like Houston or small cities like Balch Springs.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/13/2015 @ 11:12 amI’m not suggesting this complainant should have been prosecuted for his call. That’s up to the local authorities. But I do think the police chief should say it is not appropriate to call 911 because you are offended by something.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/13/2015 @ 11:14 amMilhouse, I think the point of free speech laws is to prevent government (and people from using government) to ban speech and ideas. The complainant used the mayor and police chief to try to ban the merchandise at this flea market. They didn’t let that happen, to their credit, but they came as close as they could to supporting the same result. If you believe in slippery slopes, they are very close to slipping.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/13/2015 @ 11:19 amThis delusion some people on the right have, that the anti-religion types are not equally anti-Moslem
Milhouse, I didn’t say anything about anti-religion types. I said leftists or liberals, or ultra-liberals, if you will, and I didn’t mean 100% of them. So, yes, I’m sure there are some leftwing (or even anti-religion) folks out there who despise Islam as much as they despise Christianity. But there are fewer of those (percentage-wise) on the left than the number of people on the right who despise Islam and respect Christianity.
I continue to bet that the goofball who became so distraught over the sight of Confederate memorabilia at the swapmeet would have been a bit less emotional over the sight of pro-Islamic junk for sale.
Mark (2857e5) — 7/13/2015 @ 11:27 pmA lady was arrested for calling 911 after McDonald’s took her money and gave her cow anuses instead of the chicken anuses that she had ordered. The reason, they said, was that they had run out of cow anuses. They refused to refund her money. She was the victim of theft by deception. Bait and switch. But she was arrested for abusing the 911 system. If cops were smart enough to be lawyers, they wouldn’t be cops.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:43 amMany Americans can support whatever stupid things they like, but their opinions will have no effect on the law. Many Americans (especially Republicans) support banning Islam, but that ain’t gonna happen either, for the same reason.
Then you’re a fool, and would soon be parted from your money if you were putting any up. The person was legitimately distraught at the sight of Nazi memorabilia being sold. There’s nothing in the story about any emotional response to the confederate stuff. But, precisely because he is a Jew, it’s very likely that he would be almost as upset about Hizballah or PLO stuff. There’s no indication that he’s some sort of far-left ideologue, of the sort that has ditched Israel in the name of anti-Westernism.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:48 amA lady was arrested for calling 911 after McDonald’s took her money and gave her cow anuses instead of the chicken anuses that she had ordered. The reason, they said, was that they had run out of cow anuses.
A very Unhappy Meal.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:09 amAnd there’s this on recent internets, but no police were called. http://imgur.com/HvMp90l
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:20 amWell, we fought against the UK just as we did against the CSA, so why the objection to one enemy flag and not the other? 🙂
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:24 amThen you’re a fool, and would soon be parted from your money if you were putting any up.
Milhouse, those left-leaning emotions in the corners of your brain are steering you in the wrong direction. First of all, wasn’t the person upset when seeing Confederate — not Nazi — items being sold? (Am I missing something? Where the heck did the story mention the guy was unhappy about seeing Nazi paraphernalia?). Second of all, it’s pure speculation on your part — and my part too — to guess he’d have been more upset, as upset or less upset over seeing Islamic stuff on sale, even more so when you rationalize away his probable ideology.
I continue to bet he was (he is) an idiotic liberal, as much as he’s anything else—including his religious or ethnic affiliation. As such, it’s very likely his gut biases would make him no less of a big fool than, for example, former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg, a very liberal Jew who philosophically loves to give wide latitude to the Islamicists of America (if not Nidal Hassans too, etc).
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:29 amNo.
Right there in the story, where it’s impossible to miss. Including the bit about the numbers on his grandmother’s arm, which is how he explained his “shaking and almost vomiting”.
No, it’s not speculation on my part; it’s possible but very unlikely that a Jew, with that sort of emotional reaction to Nazi paraphernalia, would not have a problem with the Nazis’ allies who are continuing their agenda. Don’t let people like the so-called “Jewish Voices for Peace” fool you; Capos have always existed, but they’re a tiny minority.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/14/2015 @ 8:57 amWalter E Williams at Townhall.com 7/15/15 has a good overview secession. Following is an excerpt
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Our Founders insisted on a federal system of checks and balances in order to prevent any one segment, or combination of segments, from dominating the others. Correspondingly, secession was the check the States retained in order to balance the centralized power of the federal government.
ropelight (b7df23) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:58 am