Patterico's Pontifications

Cue happyfeet telling the Irish Catholic Church to ditch 2000 years of teachings and get with the times.

JVW (8278a3) — 5/23/2015 @ 11:53 am

No. Clearly the proper way to do it is to have two world-class lawyers, a gay judge and preventing any appeal by categorically refusing standing to any opponent.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/23/2015 @ 11:59 am

I so hope that the Supremes rule there is no federal constitutional right to SSM.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:01 pm

how bout you not blaming me for everything

how bout just enjoying the moment for once

Thank you Ireland!

Thank you providence!

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:11 pm

There goes the country.
Now that marriage has been destroyed the entire fabric of society will unravel.
Steve57 can you start the doomsday counter?

Gil (febf10) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:21 pm

There once was a laddie named Dylan
When Sean came to call he was willin’
t’was love, one hot man-tryst
And Sean is no dentist
But now Dylan’s cavity Sean’s fillin’

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:25 pm

and I drive a fiat… injudiciously

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:28 pm

Cue happyfeet telling the Irish Catholic Church to ditch 2000 years of teachings and get with the times.

Well they did stop teaching everyone Earth was the center of the universe. Maybe there is hope!

Oh wait I take that back. Nowhere that I can think of in the Bible is Heliocentrism described as an abomination unto the lord. That might be a sticking point.

Gil (febf10) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:28 pm

speaking of abominations… I give you gil…

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:29 pm

Kevin M. is right. The people should not be allowed to decide.

AZ Bob (34bb80) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:01 pm

Friday’s referendum saw 62.1 percent of Irish voters saying “yes” to changing the nation’s constitution to allow gay marriage.

holy moly gay marriage sure is popular

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:10 pm

now, now they only made civil marriage for same sex couples legal, not religious marriage. admittedly the idea of a two tier marriage system like they have in Ireland also not fly here.

re:#8 geocentrism was never a teaching of the Church, the Church’s official position was for most of a millennia (when it was an issue) that there is insufficient biblical information to determine the origin point of creation, and anyone who claimed a theological basis for an origin point of creation was on sketchy ground and possibly a heretic. Now, of course, we live in more enlightened times and the Church has adopted Galileo’s theological argument that since Light was created before the separation of the waters and the earth, our sun is the center of the universe and the entire universe revolves around good old Sol, and this is a theological opinion that Catholics cannot question without being heretical. While some people are no doubt comforted by the thought occupies a special place in creation so near to the origin point, I personally find the Church’s rejection of it’s long standing position that this was an issue for science instead of theology to most distressing.

max (4fdf98) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:13 pm

earth being the center of the universe in western tradition began with Aristotle.
For thousands of years the church went along with the science of the day.

There is a two tier marriage system in Ireland? So did they vote in both tiers to SS couples, or just one.

Are you implying they OK’ed something like a civil union?

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:40 pm

Are you implying they OK’ed something like a civil union?

They established civil unions in 2010. This is new and is to be expected. Gays are not satisfied until we all attend their “weddings” and throw rice.

Then ISIS comes and the fun is over but don’t tell them that.

Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:46 pm

Ok, I wonder what this two tier thing that was mentioned is about. I could look it up myself, or await for one more enlightened here to edumacate me.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:48 pm

As far as ISIS goes, Jesus said to His followers that the time would come that people would kill them thinking they were doing the will of God.

I guess Saul did some of that in his day, for a short time.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:49 pm

Dinesh D’Souza devotes a chapter to the bible-geocentric myth in his book What’s So Great about Christianity. It’s bizarre how lots of people believe that’s in the bible, based on the Galileo episode, which itself is widely misrepresented. No such thing is in there.

As for the Catholic church, they adopted the position that the earth was the center of the universe because it was the consensus scientific opinion since Aristotle and Ptolemy, which is revealing about the method of biblical interpretation employed by that institution, but little else. According to D’Souza, Galileo’s opposition came initially from scientists. From that point on it was rather complicated, but nothing like how it’s usually described.

Once again, we see how “intelligent” atheists often have no idea what they’re talking about.

Gerald A (6b504a) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:52 pm

As for the Catholic church, they adopted the position that the earth was the center of the universe because it was the consensus scientific opinion since Aristotle and Ptolemy,

So that would be the settled science of that time I guess? Seems likesettled science often isn’t settled.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:58 pm

The Catholic Church is considering getting out of the civil wedding business in Ireland altogether, meaning that Irish Catholic couples would have to participate in both a civil ceremony performed at city hall or wherever followed by the traditional church ceremony. This is the way things have been in Germany for several years now, and I think this ultimately might be where we are headed in the United States.

Or maybe the countercultural thing to do would be to only have a church ceremony: be married in the eyes of God, but not in the eyes of the state.

JVW (8278a3) — 5/23/2015 @ 2:10 pm

The Catholic Church is also considering collectivizing all farmland and instating a death penalty on the possession and/or use of fossil fuels.

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 2:15 pm

No one will get me to believe the 3%’ers narrative – gay marriage is noble.

mg (31009b) — 5/23/2015 @ 2:35 pm

When given the choice between compromising fundamental beliefs to stay engaged with mainstream society or allowing a line to be drawn, the line must be drawn. Where that line is for various issues and individual consciences is a long discussion.
But we are at a place where wholesale participation in the culture at large can no longer be assumed.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/23/2015 @ 2:42 pm

the future belongs to those that show up

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 2:46 pm

5. There goes the country.
Now that marriage has been destroyed the entire fabric of society will unravel.
Steve57 can you start the doomsday counter?

Gil (febf10) — 5/23/2015 @ 12:21 pm

I started the doomsday counter back in the days after Tailhook when it was clear we had lost our minds and haven’t seen much reason to recalibrate ever since.

Steve57 (fb1453) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:12 pm

Does anyone doubt that had the vote failed, some Authority would have found a way to impose it anyway? After all, that is what happened in most of the US.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:19 pm

you can’t think that way

it’s so subversive

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:20 pm

it was the consensus scientific opinion since Aristotle and Ptolemy,

It’s actually more complicated than that and has little to do with the Catholic Church.

Eratosthenes calculated the circumference with about 0.16% error in about 200 BC. Ptolemy was a later Roman philosopher whose work was preserved by Arabs and he was wrong but the error was maintained for centuries. However, by Columbus’ time, it was known the earth was round but the circumference was miscalculated. Nobody since the Babylonians thought it was flat.

Ptolemy estimated the size of the Earth as too small: while Eratosthenes found 700 stadia for a great circle degree on the globe, Ptolemy uses 500 stadia in the Geography. It is highly probable that these were the same stadion, since Ptolemy switched from the former scale to the latter between the Syntaxis and the Geography, and severely readjusted longitude degrees accordingly.

Columbus expected to find China about where the North American continent was. Had his estimate been correct, he might not have ever attempted his voyage.

Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:35 pm

This begas the question of where this worldwide push for same-sex marriage is coming from.

Only 2% of the population is gay, so any grassroots effort would be extremely small.

Michael Ejercito (d9a893) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:40 pm

Homophobes lose again! Well at least you still have josh duggard!

homophobes lose again (19853e) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:06 pm

@28 unlike you most people decent!

homophobes lose again (19853e) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:08 pm

28. This begas the question of where this worldwide push for same-sex marriage is coming from.

Only 2% of the population is gay, so any grassroots effort would be extremely small.

Michael Ejercito (d9a893) — 5/23/2015 @ 3:40 pm

It’s not worldwide. It’s very much a western civilization phenomenon. And the reason for it is simple. To destroy it from within, since the same forces couldn’t destroy it from without.

Steve57 (fb1453) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:37 pm

“Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.

Leftists like to accuse conservatives of having overactive imaginations when we talk about cultural Marxism. Like it doesn’t exist. But Stanford is hardly a hotbed of conservative paranoia. And critical theory is in essence just to criticize. Because the society the Marxist critical theorists are criticizing is a society that they think shouldn’t exist.

Hence SSM. SSM is emblematic of a society that no longer thinks it should exist.

Steve57 (fb1453) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:50 pm

@28 unlike you most people decent!

More countries ban same-sex marriage by constitutional provision than recognize same-sex marriage.

Michael Ejercito (d9a893) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:56 pm

29.Homophobes lose again! Well at least you still have josh duggard!

Really, Perry, you despicable little dumbass. So if you’re a person who believes in traditional marriage you’re automatically a homophobe? Then I assume since you agree with SSM you’re automatically a gay. You just raised the IQ of straight people and lowered that of gays by coming out of the closet. Thank you.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:57 pm

Really, Perry, you despicable little dumbass. So if you’re a person who believes in traditional marriage you’re automatically a homophobe? Then I assume since you agree with SSM you’re automatically a gay. You just raised the IQ of straight people and lowered that of gays by coming out of the closet. Thank you.

You need to wait for him to wipe the jizz off his anus before he can reply.

Michael Ejercito (d9a893) — 5/23/2015 @ 4:58 pm

oh god yuck

happyfeet (831175) — 5/23/2015 @ 5:01 pm

Ireland, like many European countries, has civil marriage and religious marriage. While they are pretty much the same (in Ireland, in France, for example, there are significant differences), the new Irish law only creates a right to civil marriage and does not create a right to same-sex religious marriage. Note that religious marriages don’t actually have to involve a religion, there are about 100 civil ‘solomnizers’ in Ireland who ‘solemnize’ religious marriages without religion (most of whom seem to be willing to preform same-sex marriages, but they have no duty to do so created by this law) so religous marriage is a possibility for same-sex couples, but not as a right. One of the side-effects of the law is that it might remove the right to opposite-sex religious marriage, but this depends on how certain laws which created a duty to perform marriages affecting priests and ministers is interpreted with respect to the new law which has a refusal to perform clause.

Irish law is chock full of weird provisions like that, a personal favorite is that the English case-law which covered Ireland, at the time Ireland became independent, did not allow an English or Irish divorce court to consider adultery as a factor in a divorce if the adultery was committed in Scotland – this case-law is supposed to be precedental in Irish law (I doubt you could find a judge to accept this, but in theory Irish courts are still bound by Racliff v Ratcliff and Anderson).

max (4fdf98) — 5/24/2015 @ 2:33 am

4. More thanks are in order:

http://shoebat.com/2015/05/23/erdogan-the-leader-of-the-antichrist-nation-of-turkey-confirmed-to-be-a-part-of-a-strange-homosexual-cult/

DNF (208255) — 5/24/2015 @ 4:50 am

Thank you, max.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/24/2015 @ 6:39 am

Wow. Just yesterday liberals were saying “you can’t have the majority decide the minority’s rights by a vote! That’s just wrong!” And they cheered when the results of the California vote were quashed by one judge.

Now they’re turning cartwheels over this irish vote, apparently unaware that it makes them look like total hypocrites. Can you imagine how they’d react if the Irish vote were quashed?

Liz (270185) — 5/24/2015 @ 11:21 am

There’s no need to imagine, Liz. We’ve had lots of practice.

Steve57 (fb1453) — 5/24/2015 @ 11:46 am

prop 8 was a referendum on delimiting rights already conferred it passed with 52% of the vote

the irish referendum was about whether to expand rights not extant it passed with 62% of the vote

it’s a subtle difference

but the vastly different outcomes suggest it might could be an important one

happyfeet (831175) — 5/24/2015 @ 11:51 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8FSyI_Djg

Dem Voter Cries Over WI Recall ‘Democracy Died Tonight’ ‘End of USA as We Know It’

Steve57 (fb1453) — 5/24/2015 @ 11:51 am

I read that Ireland’s population is over 80% Catholic. I don’t know anything about the Catholic Church in Ireland. Maybe it opposes SSM or maybe it’s more like American Protestants, who are more secular than religious. I ask that because it’s possible to see this as an embrace of secular culture (in the form of SSM), but it could also be a rejection of the Catholic religion or a little of both.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/24/2015 @ 8:49 pm

Probably both, DRJ.

I have seen claims that the mishandling of priestly pedophile cases by the Irish Catholic hierarchy has hurt the Church’s standing in the eyes of most Irish, but do not know if that is true. However, such cases would have a bigger impact in a country whose Catholic heritage is central to its history than it would in other countries were the Church while important is not as important as in Eire.

I am pretty sure the Church openly campaigned against SSM in the run up to this referendum.

kishnevi (9c4b9c) — 5/24/2015 @ 8:57 pm

The populace of Ireland, like Scotland and Norway, represents a depleted genetic rump drained of its genius and strength adrift in dissipation, apathy and decline.

Nothing but a feudal backwater remains.

DNF (208255) — 5/25/2015 @ 5:04 am

Same-sex marriage is now legal in 20 countries worldwide.

oh my goodness that’s a lot of countries

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 6:14 am

“oh my goodness that’s a lot of countries”

Mr. Feets – Almost a majority of the world!!!!!!!!

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2015 @ 8:17 am

A majority of the Universe!

JD (3b5483) — 5/25/2015 @ 8:22 am

Americans aren’t as desperate to put their socially conservative reputation behind them (Ireland) and become the “cool kids” on the block.

Mike Giles (ea55d1) — 5/25/2015 @ 9:00 am

It’s obvious recognizing SSM is the first step in the gay rights agenda. What’s next?

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:08 am

Forced acceptance. Making opposition to SSM a hate crime

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:26 am

What’s next?

a lot of whining is my guess

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:37 am

Okay. And the tactic to accomplish this is to undermine the First Amendment protections for speech and religion. They don’t even have to change the law/Constitution. All they need to do is to convince people that resistance isn’t worth the cost.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:37 am

I love all the leftist agitprop about how this proves the Church needs to change its position.

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:38 am

51.It’s obvious recognizing SSM is the first step in the gay rights agenda. What’s next?

Like JD said, forced acceptance and re-education. Then expanding “sex rights” (a new category) to include polygamy, pedantry, bestiality. Educating kids grades o-12 to be “whatever gender” they feel comfortable in. Then having them put it into practice in college years. Teaching a broad spectrum of sex acts formerly considered perverted. Total acceptance of all psycho-sexual disorders. The end of all traditional institutions and values including but not limited to Christianity, Judaism, patriotism, the military, conservatism, morality, humility, tax exempt status for churches, incarceration for “hate” speech, the end to the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, religious charities and orphanages and ultimately the United States. Seems obvious to me. Then again I’m not in denial about the filth of leftist.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:45 am

i think

in terms of human freedom

the fact that the church is trying to foist a p.o.s. third whirl commie off as the goddamn vicar of christ

is of far more consequence than gay marriage

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:48 am

Catholicism isn’t the religion I think of as the one most likely to object to homosexuality.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:13 am

Catholicism is *supposed* to object to homosexuality DRJ

this is what Catholicism is

but it’s not supposed to embrace a global marxist agenda

oh my goodness things have gone off the rails

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:22 am

When Pope Francis releases his much-anticipated teaching document on the environment and climate change in the coming weeks, a network of Roman Catholics will be ready. These environmental advocates – who work with bishops, religious orders, Catholic universities and lay movements – have been preparing for months to help maximize the effect of the statement, hoping for a transformative impact in the fight against global warming.

“This is such a powerful moment,” said Patrick Carolan, executive director of Franciscan Action Network, a Washington-based advocacy group formed by Franciscan religious orders. “We’re asking ourselves, ‘What would be the best way for us to support the faith community in getting this out and using it as a call to action?'”

and you know what I think?

i will tell you what I think

I don’t think this slum-spawned Argentinian usurper gives two craps about global warming

i think he wants to use global warming as camouflage – a camouflaged mechanism to promulgate marxisms

it’s no good it’s no good

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:26 am

I think in terms of human freedom too, happyfeet. And that “p.o.s. third “whirl” commie”, as you put it is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, not all of Christendom. The deliberate breakdown of the moral bond of Holy Matrimony between man and God I find a lot more disturbing than the Pope. The Pope will die, but this broad legalization and acceptance of what is no more than legalized sin and on less than legalized perversion will last and last. As DRJ asked: What’s next?

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:29 am

I don’t know much about Catholicism, happyfeet, and I assume you don’t either unless you tell me you are Catholic.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:31 am

i’m a lutheran

historically we keep a wary eye

the last two popes lulled us into complacency i guess

but this new one

oh my goodness

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:35 am

The deliberate breakdown of the moral bond of Holy Matrimony between man and God I find a lot more disturbing than the Pope.

not to be all Simon Jester about it but i find this construction to be a wee lil bit lazy – you know – intellectually Mr. Hoagie

lots and lots and oodles and oodles of traditional marriages are civil marriages

which is to say gay marriage in some overwhelming majority of instances is a civil matter

not a religious matter

they’re simply not religious affairs usually, and to the extent that they occasionally are

how does freedom of religion not apply to these lil monkeys?

and if there are someday churches what embrace same sex marriage

why should they not be free to do so

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 11:47 am

Religions are free to worship with peyote or snakes, too. Apparently what they can’t do is insult gays by criticizing them or their lifestyles.

I think this is gays’ response to years of being told they are abnormal or unacceptable. It’s affirmative action for gays, where gays believe they should get more preferential treatment to make up for past attitudes.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:02 pm

Sorry about being lazy happyfeet, but I too am a Lutheran and I was taught the three Holy Sacraments are Baptism, Confirmation and Marriage. And yes, there is marriage all over the world even in heathen religions and no religion like commies. And it’s been like that for millennia. And none, I repeat none condone homosexual marriage. At least no major societies or religions that I know of. Even in commie countries that’s a no-no.

I also believe the object here is ultimately force Judeo-Christian institutions to perform weddings which are against their faith or loose their tax status then their freedom because they are “homophobes”. You read what Perry had to say and that was basically if one believes in traditional marriage then he is a homophobe. He posted that racist, bigoted sh*t right here.

Then you ask: “and if there are someday churches what embrace same sex marriage why should they not be free to do so”. As long as they’re not calling themselves Christian churches I don’t care if they “embrace” (what a gay, leftist word) sheep-screwing for weddings. But Christians can’t ignore God’s word and legitimately call themselves Christian whether you or they like it or not. Those lil monkeys can have human sacrifice for all I care, but they ain’t Christian.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:06 pm

Dinesh D’Souza devotes a chapter to the bible-geocentric myth in his book What’s So Great about Christianity.

Gerald A (6b504a) — 5/23/2015 @ 1:52 pm

hahahhahahaahahahahahahaha.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Also – hahahahahahahahaha.

You’re doing parody here, right? Dinesh D’Souza has the intellectual capacity of a goldfish on meth.

carlitos (c24ed5) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:07 pm

It’s obvious recognizing SSM is the first step in the gay rights agenda. What’s next?

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 10:08 am

What do you think is next, DRJ?

carlitos (c24ed5) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:09 pm

Oh, and happyfeet, I think of human sacrifice they same way I think of abortion. When idiots are killing themselves, even if I don’t like it, more power to them. The problem with abortion is as the leftist kill off their babies they bring in illegals to replace them. That’s why they love illegal immigration. They’re replacing the democrat voters they slaughtered in the womb.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:14 pm

I also believe the object here is ultimately to force Judeo-Christian institutions to perform weddings which are against their faith or lose their tax status, then their freedom, because they are “homophobes”.

i do not see much evidence of this

but given the church’s increasingly radical leftward tilt

i’m not sure how much anyone would have to force them to embrace gay marriages really

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:17 pm

my pastor back home in rural south texas in the church i grew up in

she’d love to be able to perform gay marriages

she was talking about it at my sister’s wedding

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:21 pm

she also took the last chocolate cupcake

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:24 pm

== As long as they’re not calling themselves Christian churches I don’t care if they “embrace” (what a gay, leftist word) sheep-screwing for weddings. But Christians can’t ignore God’s word and legitimately call themselves Christian whether you or they like it or not. Those lil monkeys can have human sacrifice for all I care, but they ain’t Christian.==

Christians eating their own is not a pretty sight and it does nothing whatsoever to address or solve the larger societal problems we all see. Hoagie, I am not singling you out–yours just happened to be the comment that caught my attention on this particular thread today. How many more times on how many more threads do we have to endure the same “you ain’t Christian—NO YOU ain’t a Christian taunts between Christians on this particular topic?

elissa (8008e9) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:25 pm

I don’t know, carlitos, although JD’s response sounds possible. My guess would be that, at some point, gays will ask for social, legal, and (eventually) economic concessions to compensate them for past discrimination. Affirmative action for gays, probably starting with colleges because that’s a willing forum.

On a separate note, why you do you persist in trying to discredit people (like D’Souza) instead of engaging the arguments made? If I were to use your approach, I’d say you are acing like a fifth grade girl who bullies, taunts and mocks to get her way. But I don’t want to think of you that way, so I hope you will start acting like an adult. If the arguments made are so easy to discredit, you should be able to do it … easily.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:26 pm

happyfeet:

59.Catholicism is *supposed* to object to homosexuality DRJ

Catholics also claim to oppose divorce and contraception but how much of the flock cares? Given the Catholic history with priests, it’s not surprising that the flock doesn’t care about sex.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:30 pm

Hi DRJ and Happy Memorial Day. D’Souza is a logical-fallacy-palooza. If you give me a specific argument, I will be happy to refute it. But, in my mind, the guy is a joke, and it’s a waste of time and effort. “You can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into.”

So … economic concessions. It’s been 150 years, and we’ve given the descendants of slaves $0. How is that going to work for gays? With the University of Michigan decision, affirmative action is dying a slow death. You really worry about this stuff regarding homosexuals, a small minority that hasn’t historically been economically disadvantaged?

carlitos (c24ed5) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:33 pm

you kind of lost me there DRJ

consternation about homosexuality historically and traditionally belongs to the portfolio of church concerns

marxist climate hoaxes not so much

and it’s enough to make a pikachu raise a disapproving eyebrow

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 12:38 pm

carlitos,

Aren’t free or reduced tuition economic concessions? What about priority in hiring? And unless the Court reinstates the Fisher case, affirmative action is morphing into a permanent diversity perk.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:05 pm

happyfeet,

Have you ever heard about talking the talk vs walking the walk?

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:05 pm

carlitos,

Regarding D’Souza, here is a link to an essay he wrote about religion and atheism. What do you disagree with in that essay?

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:11 pm

faith and Begorrah
bono and teh edge can wed?
don’t tug my shamrock

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:12 pm

Citizen happyfeet,

I take umbrage with your characterization of any priest as a Marxist. Marxism does not tolerate parasites. Not the bloodsucking capitalists of Wall Street; not the anti-social drone elements on welfare and EBT cards; not soft-handed priests mouthing platitudes to women and old men while producing nothing. Marxism values labor and demands that the worker receive full value for his. Socialism demands material contribution to society, and to the state, to the fullest extent of the ability of every citizen. Please do not conflate the Western liberal welfare state, itself a degenerate descendant of the dole system of decadent aristocratic Rome, with true Marxist socialism.

On the question of degeneracy, Marxism makes no moral judgments but judges conducts on their impact on society. Effeminate men who are parasitic, corrupt the young, or spread diseases will first be attempted to be cured of their mental illness at appropriate health care facilities. Any who cannot be cured will be quarantined humanely for the protection of society. Over-masculine women are, by and large, an asset to the workforce and the military, approaching as they do a closer equivalence to men, and will be tolerated as long as they do not force themselves on or attempt to corrupt mentally healthy women or children.

nikita kilomolov (dbc370) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:12 pm

i don’t think it’s as black and white as all that DRJ

and I’m not one of those what have an affinity for obeisance

the church and the flock and the individual sheep

they all have a voice

they all have a role to play

but i tell you what

pope franny wanna do some climate change up america’s butt

oh hell no

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:12 pm

I chose that link since this thread touches on religion, but feel free to link something else he wrote if you prefer.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:13 pm

“Embraceable Ewe”
big hit but fast running sheep
are called “virgin wool”

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:17 pm

Mr. nk! happy memorial day to you mister!

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:18 pm

happyfeet,

I know you care about economic issues so that’s probably why you want to redirect the discussion. Or maybe it’s because you don’t have a rebuttal. Frankly, Pope Francis does seem like a socialist, income equality, climate change warrior at times. Nevertheless, I don’t see how that relates to this discussion unless you’re trying to use the Pope to demonize the Catholic Church for sometimes opposing SSM.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:19 pm

nk didn’t officially appear but I also thought that might be him. I hope so. I miss him.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:20 pm

@85 Very subtle, Colonel. 🙂

elissa (8008e9) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:21 pm

happyfeet:

the church and the flock and the individual sheep

they all have a voice

they all have a role to play

Is that Catholic theology — that the flock gets a vote? I’m Episcopalian/Anglican, which is very close to Lutheran, and that sounds more like Lutheran theology to me.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:22 pm

Carlitos -‘do you not see disapproval as a hate crime in the not so distant future?

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:22 pm

we will see DRJ

i think an activist anti-capitalist pope poses a far greater and far more cogent threat to individual liberty than does gay marriage

yup i really do

and we will see what we will see

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:24 pm

that sounds more like Lutheran theology to me

yeah that’s just kinda how i see the whirl

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:25 pm

== I’m Episcopalian/Anglican, which is very close to Lutheran==

Uh oh. Mr. Steve57 is very mightily down on Episcopalians. Be forewarned, DRJ!

elissa (8008e9) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:25 pm

The Episcopaleon sermon I sat through on Mothers Day bothered me. To the point where I question if there is any core to their belief system.

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:26 pm

Yeah, it’s me. Off the CLE, finally. Nonetheless, in addition to rolling my own cigarettes as happyfeet may have told you I am practicing the additional frugality of trying to save wear on the seat of my pants from sitting behind computer so much. Thank you, DRJ and happyfeet, and everybody else, for thinking of me.

nk (dbc370) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:28 pm

Jesus, now I have to read an entire essay. OK, when I get to the airport later, I might give it a look. I’ll skim now, but if it’s a gish-gallop of multiple topics, I will likely pass.

feets – you’re just jealous because Lutheran is “Catholic Light.”

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:28 pm

The Episcopaleon sermon I sat through on Mothers Day bothered me. To the point where I question if there is any core to their belief system.

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:26 pm

Episcopalians, Rock, Rock On.
— Biz Markie, circa 1989

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:29 pm

it’s not as pretty but it’s much much easier for a wee small pikachu to get his head around

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:31 pm

patrick fitzgerald
which works quite nicely because
gerald fitzpatrick

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:31 pm

Episcopalians are secular now, which is why I’m Anglican.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:31 pm

Carlitos -‘do you not see disapproval as a hate crime in the not so distant future?

JD (eb9bcd) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:22 pm

As (i think) you know, I’m against any hate crime law of any kind. Will there always be peer pressure and political correctness and stuff? Sure.

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:32 pm

Paddy and Sean are planning to go out on a Saturday night, but only have 50 cents between them. Paddy has an idea, he takes the 50 cents of Sean, goes to a butchers and buys a sausage. Sean is really pissed off at first that Paddy spent their last money on a sausage, but Paddy lets him in on his plan.

“We are going into the next pub, order two pints, drink them and when it comes to paying you go down on your knees, unzip my trousers, pull the sausage out and start sucking on it”

So, they go into the first pub and do exactly as Paddy suggested. The barmaid is disgusted by the sight and kicks the two out.

Paddy says: “see it works, we didn’t pay did we?” As Paddy’s plan seems to be working they carry on doing it…

In the 12th pub, both are quite drunk by now, Sean isn’t looking too good. They have just finished their pints…

Sean: “I can’t do this anymore Paddy my bloody knees are hurting as fook…!”

Paddy: “No worries…I lost that bloody sausage in the third pub!”

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:37 pm

I had to Google CLE, but welcome back nk.

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:38 pm

DRJ – I took a look at the “essay” you linked. I have no interest at all in arguments as to who was worse – Stalin or Pol Pot or Hitler or the Spanish Inquisition, and which of these horrible, evil people used “God” as an excuse for their excesses.

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:38 pm

Nk, it is always good to read your posts. Period.

Simon Jester (128815) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:42 pm

Never mind, carlitos 97. I don’t want to put you out. Let’s just agree to ignore each other from now on. If you don’t want to agree, then I’ll do it unilaterally. You aren’t worth my time.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:44 pm

Paddy and Sean are on a break.
Paddy:”What you got there?”
Sean:”It’s a Thermos.”
Paddy:”What’s it for?”
Sean:”It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold.”
Paddy:”What’ve you got in it?”
Sean:”Cup of coffee and an ice cream.”

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:45 pm

Thank you for confirming my decision to ignore you, carlitos. Someone who has no interest in history isn’t worth anyone’s time.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:45 pm

whoa there hold the phone

we should sing a song together

please believe me

lately my whole whirl is changing

suddenly you’re here

and my life’s better than before!

we’re friends forever!

you know that’s how i feel

we’ll stick together!

please say we got a deal

we’re friends forever

and when the rest have gone

it’s you who will be there

for me

my friend

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:49 pm

PS to carlitos: Are you going to report to Patterico that I’ve threatened you? You did that before. What a jerk.

DRJ (e80d46) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:50 pm

hey guess what i have in my pocket

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:51 pm

here’s the musics to our song in #110

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:56 pm

DRJ – I will continue to reply to your posts as I like. Ignore whatever you want. Since Patterico continues to use this comment system, there is no “ignore” feature unless you use a 2008-era Firefox browser with some arcane script installed.

Your intimations that I “reported to Patterico that you threatened me” are false. I just re-read the exchange in my gmail and you are mistaken or misinformed. I can post the exchange here if you would like to see it.

Your saying that i have “no interest in history” is indicative of your inability to effectively make an argument without resorting to logical fallacies, in this case the sweeping generalization.

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:00 pm

An Irish man is sitting in a bar drinking
A flamboyantly gay man comes up to him and asks, “can i give you a blow job?”
The Irishman stands up and punches the gay man.
The bartender comes over and asks, “Why did you hit that guy?”
The Irish man replied, “He said somethin’ about me gettin’ a job”

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:03 pm

#112… my money’s on “a gerbil”…

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:09 pm

hah irish people are so lazy

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:09 pm

nope not a gerbil guess again

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:11 pm

True story – Mrs. carlito wanted to clean the area around our nephew’s gerbil cage, to get it nice and sanitary. She used bleach, and apparently gassed the gerbil to death. We spent a couple of hundred bucks at the emergency vet and she still can’t forgive herself. Not a great day.

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:15 pm

Some money to buy a gerbil?

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:18 pm

On a difficult day, let’s all thank our lucky stars, in large ways and small.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOLM0n1tGM

Last I heard four kids injured, one hospitalized. It looks like the bounce-house turned over three times before flying up into the air.

We are much, much luckier than we merit, most of us. Me especially.

Simon Jester (128815) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:22 pm

A gerbil-enticing device?

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:46 pm

carlitos, I’m sorry. That’s sad but funny at the same time. The really sad part is spending a couple hundred bucks on some $15 gerbils.

Hoagie (f4eb27) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:54 pm

Richard Gere’s phone number?

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:56 pm

Yeah, Hoagie, it’s like a “free kitten.”

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:06 pm

lol

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:07 pm

none of this is incidental or spontaneous:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/23/irelands-road-to-serfdom/

Hitler hated Christianity, he may have coopted the local ecclesiastical authorities, but that’s something else again,

narciso (ee1f88) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:08 pm

Sodom and Begorrah

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:19 pm

YMMV

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:20 pm

hey guess what i have in my pocket

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 1:51 pm

CTA Ventra card and / or a condom?

carlitos (c24ed5) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:41 pm

Or are you just happy to see us?

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:43 pm

See what I did there?

Gazzer (d3f7b0) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:43 pm

skydragon worship, seems to have a certain pull:

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2015/05/23/pachauri-accuser-vindicated/

narciso (ee1f88) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:45 pm

nope and nope but my trusty ventra card is in the kitchen

somehow it gets filled up every month out of my paycheck but I don’t get it really

i think the idea is that you use pre-tax dollars for it

but why exactly i don’t understand

i keep meaning to ask the googles how this works and by what authority

the ways of the chicago, they are an unyielding mystery

happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2015 @ 3:48 pm

glad to hear from you, nk.
I thought of you Friday when we went to the Greek food festival.
I finally got the gyro I’ve been waiting a year for.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/25/2015 @ 4:49 pm

yes. the ptolemaic understanding is what Galileo was rebelling against, as Hayek was reacting to Austrian scientism,

narciso (ee1f88) — 5/25/2015 @ 5:05 pm

So the pro-gay marriage crowd outspent the traditional marriage crowd 10:1, with much of the funds coming from one donor/group from the US?`

Did anyone comment here at PP about the professor who makes the claim that parents reading to their young children gives those children an unfair advantage?
I guess the answer is to put all newborns in government schools where they are all treated equally,
except, of course, for the children of the rulers, who need to be developed to their full potential on behalf of the masses.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/25/2015 @ 5:06 pm

sad about the gerbils, carlitos, I had a somewhat similar experience, not poisonous with a squirrel that slipped away from a second floor apartment when I was a kid,

narciso (ee1f88) — 5/25/2015 @ 5:11 pm

119. True story – Mrs. carlito wanted to clean the area around our nephew’s gerbil cage, to get it nice and sanitary. She used bleach, and apparently gassed the gerbil to death. We spent a couple of hundred bucks at the emergency vet and she still can’t forgive herself. Not a great day.

carlitos (4e54b7) — 5/25/2015 @ 2:15 pm

Sorry to hear. an acquaintance of mine spent $1800 on a cat under different, but broadly speaking similar, circumstances.

Clearly it’s not just a matter of money. You feel bad for the critter(s) and the person attached to said critter.

Steve57 (6b60b5) — 5/25/2015 @ 5:35 pm

Being queer is still an urban phenomenon.

It ain’t hayseeds that molest livestock.

DNF (208255) — 5/26/2015 @ 9:30 am

rodents god love em

it seems to me they live their lives like little fuzzy candles in the wind

happyfeet (831175) — 5/26/2015 @ 10:55 am

The unbearable lightness of being ‘modern’:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/26/from-ira-murders-to-isis-atrocities-why-gay-marriage-makes-it-all-ok/

DNF (208255) — 5/26/2015 @ 6:48 pm

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