ISIS Threat Made Against Pamela Geller
[guest post by Dana]
In a chilling move, an alleged threat by ISIS to kill Pamela Geller has been posted on an anonymous message board:
The attack by the Islamic State in America is only the beginning of our efforts to establish a wiliyah in the heart of our enemy. Our aim was the khanzeer Pamela Geller and to show her that we don’t care what land she hides in or what sky shields her; we will send all our Lions to achieve her slaughter. This will heal the hearts of our brothers and disperse the ones behind her. To those who protect her: this will be your only warning of housing this woman and her circus show. Everyone who houses her events, gives her a platform to spill her filth are legitimate targets. We have been watching closely who was present at this event and the shooter of our brothers. We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah.
Geller has publicly responded to the threat:
This threat illustrates the savagery and barbarism of the Islamic State. They want me dead for violating Sharia blasphemy laws. What remains to be seen is whether the free world will finally wake up and stand for the freedom of speech, or instead kowtow to this evil and continue to denounce me. What’s really frightening and astonishing about this threat is that the media in denouncing me is essentially allying with and even cheering on the Islamic State. I expected this from jihadists. I never expected it from my fellow Americans in the mainstream media. –
Yesterday, Geller responded to her critics. Critics, by the way, who are fellow Americans taking full advantage of their secured right to freedom of speech to denigrate, blame and hold an innocent woman responsible for the hateful attack by radical Muslim terrorists. In the United States of America. Unfortunately, far too many Americans do not have the clarity, honesty, or even the will to see the truth and all its devastating implications:
Freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, a tyrant can wreak havoc unopposed, while his opponents are silenced.
Certainly there are none so weak and so fearful as those who want to censor others, and none so blind as those who cannot even discern what is at stake. And ironically, their hatred is reserved for those who know precisely what is at stake:
One day our children may live in a world where it’s possible to denounce both Pamela Geller and the psychopathic religious zealots who want her dead, but if we have to choose sides here, we probably have to choose Geller and free speech, no matter how offensive hers may be. Ugh. Guess this means we’re on team Geller here. The terrorists have won.
The awful thing is, if Geller were killed by terrorists in the United States, there might be some “Oh, that’s terrible” clucking from the elite political class and our intellectual betters in the MSM, but it would quickly be followed by a “Well, what did she expect, poking the hornet’s nest like that?”
I fear there would be no tears shed for her. And worse, there would still be no understanding of what we lost during this season of our surrender.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:33 pmHow soon they forget:
”
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
Niemöller
agesilaus (7c8e7d) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:46 pmJeffrey Goldberg, who seems to be a self hating Jew, as best I can figure it out. Has another of his angry attacks on her as part of a weak piece on the Charlie Hebdo murders.
unlike Charlie Hebdo, the organization that sponsored the Texas event is run by an actual anti-Muslim extremist who, I’m proud to say, is a personal nemesis of mine.
Some victims of Muslims are OK. Others not.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:51 pmI think Geller should be protected and the right to she what she says should be protected
but I also think that with rights come responsibilities, I have always said that, and just because one has the right to do something doesn’t mean it is a responsible thing to do.
There are many things that one could say or do that would put one on a jihadist kill list that are protected speech that I think would be more responsible to say. I think there are many things that Jesus would ask me to risk my life for, including saying some things that I think are true about Islam, like Jesus is the Son of God and God incarnate, and that he said to be aware of false prophets, such as people who deny He is God in human flesh.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:53 pmBut would He ask me to draw a picture of Mohammed because I can legally do so?
I don’t think so.
An American woman has been threatened with death on American soil by radical Muslim extremists and no comment from the president. I find that so odd considering he jumped in to express his concern and sympathy, as well as point his finger, during Trayvon, Ferguson, Henry Gates, Baltimore. He must really believe they are just the J.V. team and no real threat or something…
Dana (86e864) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:55 pmAs I said here last night,
From the ISIS memo,
Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah.
Sorry, I’m a bit slow on the uptake, as is Steve57 sometimes, can you show us again please?
Gazzer (c1d25a) — 5/6/2015 @ 5:57 pmGazzer (c1d25a) — 5/5/2015 @ 9:43 pm
I thought Gellar was of Lebanese Christian background. Am I confusing her with someone else, less noteworthy?
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:12 pm#5 Hell, has POTUS commented on the dead policemen at the hands of blacks????
NY has three dead bodies in a few months. I am sure other States have a few too.
Rodney King's Spirit (b31520) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:19 pmGeller compared herself to Rosa Parks yesterday. At the time, both were criticized by some peoplefor what they did, with some people claiming they were wrong to cause disruptions or jeopardize other people. Parks stood for the right of black Americans to speak against discrimination, while Geller stood for the right of all Americans to speak against radical Muslims. Is this a fair comparison?
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:21 pmMD…Marlo Thomas, perhaps?
Her name suggests she is Jewish, but she seems to be ignorant about much of Jewish history. Her view of Reform rabbis is in complete accord with the more extreme Orthodox view of Reform rabbis, but I have never seen any tangential reference to anything suggesting she herself is Orthodox. In fact I do not remember reading any reference by her to her own beliefs. Perhaps she wants to universalize her crusade as much as possible. About the only thing I am sure of is she is not a Moslem.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:25 pmRosa Parks stood (or should we say sat?) for the idea that that blacks should have the same rights as any one else. including the right of free speech.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:33 pmGeller seems to stand for the idea that Moslems should be excluded from the protection of the First Amendment, and possibly all other rights as well. The cartoons and free speech are ancillary to her main motive.
unlike Charlie Hebdo, the organization that sponsored the Texas event is run by an actual anti-Muslim extremist who, I’m proud to say, is a personal nemesis of mine.
No doubt Ms. Geller would tell Mr. Goldberg that the feeling is mutual.
I understand that not everyone is big on the provocative style of Pamela Geller, but considering that in our own country ideas like this and like this and like this are becoming somewhat commonplace among segments of our fellow citizenry, I think we need a Pamela Geller around to shake up things and provide a counterbalance to the First Amendment censors.
JVW (8278a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:35 pmI’m afraid you’re right. I’m ashamed for my country.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:39 pmJust the surrender caucus.
I keep thinking of Pearl Harbor. The salvage operation was epic. Righted, refloated, cleared of the dead. Many of the battleships got their revenge on the Japanese fleet at Surigao.
I don’t know if we even want to make that kind of come back now.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:47 pmPam Geller deserves what she’s gonna get.
Like h3ll she does.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:49 pmGeller seems to stand for the idea that Moslems should be excluded from the protection of the First Amendment, and possibly all other rights as well. The cartoons and free speech are ancillary to her main motive.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:33 pm
Where has she ever said that Muslims should be excluded from these rights?
norcal (8bcc59) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:53 pmkishnevi,
Can you please provide a link where Geller says she wants to silence Muslims? I read this article announcing the Muhammad art exhibit and it doesn’t sound like silencing Muslims was the goal. It sounds like responding to Muslim speech was the goal.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:54 pmIt’s sad, but amusing, that a good many liberals don’t quite get the whole 1st Amendment thing. Of course, the same could be said for the 2nd, etc. Contemporary liberalism is so enfeebled and weak-minded and people that allow themselves to be held in its sway are to be pitied.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:57 pmThe awful thing is, if Geller were killed by terrorists in the United States, there might be some “Oh, that’s terrible” clucking from the elite political class and our intellectual betters in the MSM
The really awful thing is most of those doing the clucking will perceive themselves as such humane, sophisticated, caring, generous and compassionate human beings.
As each day goes by, I realize more and more that there’s nothing more reprehensible (and appalling) than people who can’t judge the goodness and badness in their fellow humans and in various situations.
Mark (607f93) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:59 pmwe will send all our Lions to achieve her slaughter.
Time for Yoda to go on a safari it is!
Yoda (7d462a) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:59 pmGeller seems to stand for the idea that Moslems should be excluded from the protection of the First Amendment
Kishnevi, just make sure you’re not falling for that little voice in the back of your mind that proclaims “he’s an underdog!, he’s an underdog!”—which is the opposite of chauvinistic, pro-elitist sentiment. An inability to properly identify which is which is a common mistake of certainly most folks on the left, but others too.
Mark (607f93) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:07 pmRecommend the .416, I do.
Cat killing calibers, 400 grains, .40 caliber they start.
Gunbearer, available, I am.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:07 pmAbout Geller’s background:
Dana (86e864) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:09 pmThey probably will kill her, but the shooters will die. Texans proved that.
mg (31009b) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:09 pmNo, no, no, not marlo Thomas.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:11 pmI remember some years ago listening to a woman who was personally acquainted with jihadist violence from Lebanon being overrun, and was trying to warn the US. I thought it was Gellar.
but maybe I’m just mixing my memories.
500 pound cats, I mean.
Different story, bobcats are.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:11 pmIt sounds like responding to Muslim speech was the goal.
Of course, it was and is.
To clarify what I wrote previously, a lot of people who struggle to sympathize with Geller instead of the Sharia-ites see the latter as part of the great, unwashed masses of the Emerging World, or the exotic Middle East, if not the Third World, yearning to breathe free. Or certainly not a part of the imperialistic, hegemonic, arrogant, greedy First World, Western World in particular. So if folks from the Middle East and its various off-shoots (eg, immigrants in the US or Europe) are a bit extreme and violent, what the hell. They’re forgiven.
Mark (607f93) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:17 pm, I think we need a Pamela Geller around to shake up things and provide a counterbalance to the First Amendment censors.
JVW (8278a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 6:35 pm
I may be wrong, but I think there is a bit of a tactical error. I think there are a lot of things she could say that would be controversial and put her on the hit list that would be more obvious standing for truth, rather than the opportunity to be provocative.
But I guess having “Mohammed teach ins” to talk about unsavory aspects of his history and what has been done in the name of Allah is not as attention grabbing as a draw Mohammed contest.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:18 pmMD,
I’m not going to second-guess what God would ask you or me to do (I know better than to do that), but if He were to ask you to draw that picture, it would certainly have nothing to do with the fact that it is legal to do so and prove that point.
Further, I guess whether or not it’s a tactical error depends on what the goal is.
Dana (86e864) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:25 pmkishnevi, I missed your example of Geller saying Muslim speech should be suppressed. Would you post it again ?
Oh, wait….
“The [Office of Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action] said in its summary for the dean”
That’s enough.
I missed the condemnation of piss Christ from all the usual suspects. Provocative ? How about the elephant dung Madonna ?
kishnevi ?
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:26 pmMD in Philly, I love you to h3ll and back.
But I’m getting a bit tired of being held responsible for apologizing for the likes of Pam Gelder.
At what point during the placement of the IED did Pam Gelder fail to credit Islam for it’s wonderful peacefulness?
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:26 pmThe insanity of various people more unhappy with Geller than with Islamic fanatics (or bothered by the former, perhaps not all that bothered by the latter) goes far beyond one woman at an event in Garland, Texas.
Stalin said “the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.” A variation of that same theme is evident among the left and Islamo-fascists.
Mark (607f93) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:34 pmBri gotten gabriel, I think md. My point in the other thread is when even the head of the ahead iy ya sect is unwilling to stand up.
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:38 pmBut I guess having “Mohammed teach ins” to talk about unsavory aspects of his history and what has been done in the name of Allah is not as attention grabbing as a draw Mohammed contest.
It’s a distinction without a difference to the censors, MD. The campus pantywaists and bureaucratic bunglers aren’t going to accept a truthful academic conference about the unsavory character of Mohammed any more than they will accept a draw Mohammad contest. “You can’t say/do that!” is their response to any criticism of Islam.
JVW (8278a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:41 pm“Geller seems to stand for the idea that Moslems should be excluded from the protection of the First Amendment, and possibly all other rights as well. ”
I have seen less than zero evidence for this assertion.
JD (3b5483) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:41 pmPrince talal seems to calling in more favors than usual
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:52 pmDRJ, Dr. K, et al.
kishnevi (adea75) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:53 pmHaving waded through 40 pages of posts on her website, I saw no recent examples. (I did see some references to herself as being Jewish.)
But her long standing opposition to the mosque/community center is a good example. What would you say to someone who claimed you had no right to build a church because it offended them. Similar to the folks who got upset that the Catholic Church installed a group of nuns at Auschwitz, the only reason for the opposition boiling down to the fact that iit offended them.
These ISIS clowns and the Log Cabin Martyrs Brigade, Al Jarreau and all the rest of these putzes ought to be put out of their misery. Just sayin’.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:55 pmWoah, Colonel — what do you have against the smooth jazz stylings of Al Jarreau?
JVW (8278a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:58 pmSaid mosque included jihadists apologists and borderline 9/11 denialists, forgot about that kish.
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 7:59 pmRecall a certain mosque in broward where atta, Padilla and the late shut ri judah all gathered.
“I have seen less than zero evidence for this assertion.”
JD – Sort of like the Obama-style straw man of comparing Geller’s blog to Nazi Party publications. Nazis spouted eliminationist rhetoric and radical Islamists spout eliminationist rhetoric and Geller is criticizing those people.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:00 pm“But her long standing opposition to the mosque/community center is a good example.”
kishnevi – I think the Ground Zero Mosque was insulting and a terrible idea. People have every right to protest its establishment.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:02 pmMan bear pigs former holding aren’t such happy campers btw.
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:02 pmThe justice department paying the imam who urged hirsi Ali ‘ s death, state working with imam rauf, men in and Emanuel having coffee with quradawi
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:06 pm“Geller seems to stand for the idea that Moslems should be excluded from the protection of the First Amendment, and possibly all other rights as well. ”
And your proof of that is this:
But her long standing opposition to the mosque/community center is a good example. What would you say to someone who claimed you had no right to build a church because it offended them. Similar to the folks who got upset that the Catholic Church installed a group of nuns at Auschwitz, the only reason for the opposition boiling down to the fact that iit offended them.
No go. There is nothing about protesting a mosque/ community center that resembles excluding Muslims from First Amendment protections or any others.
Dana (86e864) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:15 pmQ: Why does an Arab farmer look down whenever he meets foreigners?
A: Because he is waiting for the Arabic subtitle translation.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:20 pmKnowing their track record it would be foolish to dismiss this threat.
narciso (78c1a3) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:21 pmSo we all agree that people saying bad stuff may be offensive, but they can say it. Killing people for saying bad stuff is worse.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:31 pmKishnevi’s response (or bias) makes me think of the way various people will react towards a story currently posted to the Drudgereport.com about 2 gay males in a restaurant in New York City who were viciously attacked by 2 diners who shouted “white fa*****.” IOW, a confrontation (a hate crime, if you will) involving one protected “underdog” class (ie, homosexuals) versus another protected “underdog” class (ie, blacks).
Such incidents (involving similar demographics of the victim and assailant) apparently have been occurring more recently in true-blue cities like New York on a far-too-common basis.
Welcome to the Age of Obama, to America in the 21st century.
Mark (607f93) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:36 pmBut her long standing opposition to the mosque/community center is a good example.
Sorry, I don’t buy that. Her blog Atlas Shrugged has been a libertarian site for years.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:37 pmDaddy, why are there no Moslems in Star Trek?
Gazzer (c1d25a) — 5/6/2015 @ 8:42 pmCos it’s set in the future, son.
Unfortunately no.
Unfortunately a certain religion teaches words are worse than murder.
Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:217
http://quran.com/2/217
Pamela Geller, by opening her mouth, is spreading fitnah.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 9:02 pmSteve57: I know nothing about Islam or the Koran.
I do know a bit about the United States and the Constitution.
Please, don’t take this as an insult or in any way to diminish your point.
For some reason, though, there seems to be a conflict without support. People in the United States should obey and live by the laws enacted by elected representatives of the government. They are free to follow their religious beliefs. If they can not live by our collective laws because of religious obligations, then they should exit this nation and live where they can abide their religious precepts lawfully.
Our government should be willing and able to accommodate their wishes. How that is done is the real argument.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 5/6/2015 @ 9:44 pmAg80, I don’t take offense.
I am pointing out that a thing can not be itself and its opposite at the same time.
Actually, it can’t.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 10:03 pmThis is why I provide references and links.
Don’t take my word for it.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/6/2015 @ 10:34 pmSmoking out serial killers sans resumes is evil?
I am ill equipped for this parallel universe.
DNF (208255) — 5/8/2015 @ 5:34 am