Hillary Clinton: Scandal Plagued
[guest post by Dana]
Poor Hillary! Girlfriend just wants to announce her presidential campaign, but between the pesky issues of all things Benghazi, an email scandal that won’t go away, a Nigerian donor, an Iranian government front group , a cronyism scandal involving her brother and others and a sharply declining favorability rating, she has felt compelled to delay the announcement.
Now this:
Hillary Clinton wiped “clean” the private server housing emails from her tenure as secretary of state, the chairman of the House committee investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi said Friday.
“While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the Secretary to return her public record to the Department,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi, said in a statement.
Clinton was under a subpoena order from the panel for all documents related to the 2012 attacks on the American compound there. But David Kendall, an attorney for Clinton, said the 900 pages of emails previously provided to the panel cover its request.
Kendall also informed the committee that Clinton’s emails from her time at the State Department have been permanently erased.
Gowdy said that Clinton’s response to the subpoena means he and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will now contemplate new legal actions against Clinton.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:12 pmWhat to do when a country’s so-called “leaders” refuse to obey the the letter or intent of the law and those in power look the other way or selectively enforce the law?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:20 pmI thought that named seem familiar,
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/cruz-headlines-conference-featuring-hezbollah-supporters/
the source of Sid Vicious’s info, was on the last thread,
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:21 pmi remember how National Soros Radio tied Alberto Gonzalez to a tree and beat him bloody for much much lesser stuff
they were in QUITE a tizzy
but not today huh
kooky
happyfeet (831175) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:22 pmhe was doing his job, that’s a no no:
http://www.propublica.org/article/private-emails-reveal-ex-clinton-aides-secret-spy-network
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:27 pm1 federal felony for each destroyed e-mail, plus obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, etc…
if she was a Republican/conservative/corporate type, she’d be facing massive criminal charges…
*crickets*
redc1c4 (cf3b04) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:35 pmlike Boehner is going to do something constructive with this . HA!
seeRpea (c1462d) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:42 pmLoyal Order of Raccoon Lodge to the rescue.
mg (31009b) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:43 pmGo Gowdy Go
Go Gowdy Go
Sit, Stay, and what you do best
BARK
If I were a leader of another country I wouldn’t share one shred of information with the US until I got a complete damage report of how badly Hillary! compromised sensitive diplomatic communications and possibly any intelligence exchanges.
Oh, right, that’s not possible. She slicked her hard drives. So then I just wouldn’t share any intelligence until Congress makes it a felony to violate information sharing agreements by using anything but a government system with adequate security.
But then with this klown kar administration that wouldn’t prevent intentional leaks. Sort of like security doors won’t prevent a pilot from plying the plane into the ground, security precautions won’t prevent President Mean Girl from leaking your secrets if he throws a tantrum.
And flying it intentionally into the ground is a good way to describe his foreign policy. He isn’t in over his head. It’s not inexperience that’s his problem. It’s his ideology. Actually it’s his ideology that makes him incapable of learning from experience.
But just like the Saudis, the Jordanians, the Kuwaitis, etc., didn’t give us a heads up about their Yemeni airstrikes because Obama can’t be trusted, countries all over the world have to be looking at the DoS and how it’s defending Hillary! in horror. Apparently she didn’t break any laws or regulations. All we have are optional security and email suggestions that it’s all perfectly legal not to follow.
So the defense makes everything worse. If they went after Hillary! the problem would be just one rogue pol. But based on what the administration is saying about Hillary! the problem is the system. We don’t have one.
Steve57 (f61e37) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:46 pmthe legal name is “spoliation” and the theory is if you destroy documents after you know you have a duty to preserve them then it can be presumed by the jury… or judge… that the documents destroyed were deleterious to the destroyer’s claims… i.e. she destroyed e-mails that would have cast her in a bad light or revealed wrong doing. I don’t know which is more incredible… that she did this and thinks she can get away with it…. or that she did this and she will get away with it.
chb3 (1871be) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:48 pmI believe the term you’re looking for is “anticipatory obstruction of justice,” in that she destroyed her email so that they wouldn’t be available to any future investigators. And there wouldn’t have to be any investigation pending or even any inkling there is going to be an investigation at any point at the time she destroyed the evidence to be guilty of the charge.
Steve57 (f61e37) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:53 pmMartha Stewart was convicted of obstruction of justice even though there was no underlying criminal case of insider trading. I believe she destroyed phone records.
Sometimes it’s literally true; it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up. Because without the cover up there was no criminal act.
In Hillary!’s case I think it’s probably both the crime and the cover-up.
Steve57 (f61e37) — 3/27/2015 @ 7:06 pmI don’t know which is more incredible… that she did this and thinks she can get away with it…. or that she did this and she will get away with it.
This.
Dana (86e864) — 3/27/2015 @ 7:34 pmWas this information coming from the same “IT people” who announced that all the IRS emails were erased?
One can only hope.
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 3/27/2015 @ 7:44 pmThat such a dishonest, lousy person like Hillary Clinton should be given high marks in various opinion polls — after this society has had decades to experience what she’s all about — says what about all the people throughout the US who love giving her thumbs up?
Perhaps America’s answer to Evita Peron or Cristina Kirchner? Or to de-gender-ize what Bill’s doormat symbolizes, perhaps America’s answer to the crummy leftist (a male) now occupying France’s presidency or the lousy leftist (albeit a female) now occupying Brazil’s presidency?
Mark (c160ec) — 3/27/2015 @ 7:55 pmLet her run for president from the House lockup.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/27/2015 @ 8:43 pmLook ! A Republican squirrel !
One can hope that the scrubbing was insufficient (or that the swapped out HD or a copy — vanity, thy other name is trophy — can be found.)
And what others have said. If she can do this and get away with it, what kind of government do we really have?
Have you looked at the squirrel?
htom (4ca1fa) — 3/27/2015 @ 8:48 pmMost transparent administration ever!
htom (4ca1fa) — 3/27/2015 @ 8:50 pmIt really, really, is. Complete corruption from the top down, from before the election until to long after they’re all gone.
The empty chair would have been a better President.
htom (4ca1fa) — 3/27/2015 @ 8:55 pmThe lack of moral and ethical clarity in the Beltway, on both coasts and in the MSM… God help us, they have truly lost their way.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:00 pmI don’t know which is more incredible… that she did this and thinks she can get away with it…. or that she did this and she will get away with it.
Yes. “At this point, what difference does it make?” should be her campaign slogan.
DRJ (e80d46) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:01 pmSomething every Republican who addresses this issue should ask: “Are there no honest people left in the Democrat Party?”
After all, even at the height of Watergate we had Ruckelshaus and Elliot Richardson. Nixon’s lieutenants were prosecuted by Republican appointees. They were not ALL crooks.
Is there no one honest left in the Democrat Party?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:07 pmThe empty chair would have been a better President.
I refer you to the classic “Sack of Hammers” comparison.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:11 pmThey should ask the AG nominee under oath “will you prosecute Hillary Clinton for purposely operating then destroying the non-compliant unsecure email server, and for her flagrant non-compliance with official requests by both the U.S. State Department and subpoenas by the U.S House of representatives”? If she says “yes”, confirm her. If she says “no” or waffles, end her confirmation drama with a down vote here and now and say “next!”. Keep waiting for an honest AG nominee to be put before the senate for confirmation who is willing to uphold the law and promises the American people to do so.
elissa (a7f518) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:31 pmWe cab but dream, Elissa, we can but dream.
Gazzer (d45955) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:32 pmObviously no one can enforce any laws…
mg (31009b) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:32 pmWhen people get mad enough and take the law into their own hands, it will improve.
Or keep talking smart, as if it matters.
A tarred and feathered pantsuited Hillary should be the rage.
mg (31009b) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:34 pmI don’t really believe there are honest lefties in America. I mean I’ve heard others speak of them. I’ve just never come across one.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:35 pmShe’s giving Bill Cosby a run for most evil.
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:35 pmmg, I’m just waiting for the shooting to start at this point. Blood, tree of liberty, etc, etc…
Gazzer (d45955) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:36 pmAt least Cosby was only effin people up one at a time.
Gazzer (d45955) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:40 pmI was thinking about that Jefferson tree as well, Gazzer.
mg (31009b) — 3/27/2015 @ 9:44 pmThe only problem I can see with that course of action is that anyone who is willing to work for this administration has proven perfectly willing to lie for it, even under oath before Congress.
Koskinen, Holder, and Morell pop immediately into mind as the most prominent examples. But I’m sure I can think of a longer list.
Steve57 (f61e37) — 3/27/2015 @ 10:01 pmJust as the WH involved itself in the Israeli election I believe they are also doing it to Hillary. Many of the stories, leaks, and “investigative” pieces are appearing in mainstream leftist news organs, Politico, NYT, WaPo, etc. They’re being subtle enough to avoid it looking like an obvious hit job, but I think it’s an oppo hit job originating from the left nevertheless. I think the powers that be in the Dem party (or at least the administration) are trying very hard to oust her as the inevitable candidate of their party and generally to discourage donors and supporters. Of course her war chest in the form of the Clinton Foundation will carry her a long way if she is too stubborn to “listen to reason”. But let’s be honest–nobody thinks Hillary’s a surefire winner anymore. She lost in 2008 and she’s older, less physically sound, and considerably more soiled now than she was then. The media’s chipping away at her a little more every day even without Republican help.
elissa (a7f518) — 3/27/2015 @ 10:22 pmAlso, I think part of this is there is a nasty war going on for who will be the recognized leader of the Dem party and the spoils that go with it–the Clintons or the Obamas.
As many have noted about the internet, if it leaves your computer, there is a record of it somewhere.
The task for Gowdy is to cast the net wide enough that they find where those scraps are hidden.
And, there may be damn few honest people left within the Beltway, or in politics in general.
askeptic (efcf22) — 3/27/2015 @ 11:26 pmWhen the operative word became “Tax and Tax, Spend and Spend, Elect and Elect”, most cast aside their convictions for their conventions.
If only Billy Jeff Clinton had WIPED CLEAN that blue dress.
Gus (7cc192) — 3/27/2015 @ 11:53 pmand to think SCOOTER LIBBY is/was hated by the LIBTARDS. And convicted.
Gus (7cc192) — 3/27/2015 @ 11:58 pmPlease remind me of Scooter Libby’s crimes???
Rodham lie-o-mized.
Chris Stevens got Sod-o-mized.
Please remind me of Scooter Libby’s crimes???
He lied to an investigator about something that was not a crime.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/28/2015 @ 12:01 amAs I was listening to Howie Carr (filling in for Mark Levin) tell the details this afternoon, I heard the words “Clinton attorney David Kendall” and nearly blew a gasket. I remember 1998 when that sawed-off twerp was the Clinton Administration’s legal counsel. In a November marathon session of the House Judiciary Committee, there he was, sitting on phone directories (for real) and trying to poke holes in independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr’s ironclad case for perjury and obstruction of justice, among other things.
Starr, despite hours on end of being treated like a criminal and personally insulted by the likes of John Conyers, Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer, acquitted himself well, and I remember afterward exchanging email with Lucianne Goldberg (without whom we would never have known about Monica Lewinsky). I wrote that I hoped Starr had gone home, taken the phone off the hook, had a couple of glasses of wine with his wife and maybe a celebratory session of marital affection. Because the next morning, the mainstream media was going to falsely allege that he had fallen flat on his face.
And so it was.
L.N. Smithee (291dc4) — 3/28/2015 @ 12:03 amIf you only know Ken Starr as a sinister figure like Torquemada or Inspector Javert, here he is in his 1998 duel with David Kendall, courtesy of C-SPAN’s video library.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?115501-1/impeachment-inquiry-pt-3
L.N. Smithee (291dc4) — 3/28/2015 @ 12:11 amAt what point in the past was this forecast? Craig Livingstone (aka “who?”) and his 300 FBI files? The Travel Office firings and bogus prosecutions? The Rose Law Firm? There is no surprise here.
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:51 amThis p.o.s. hillary would rather hide things from the American public than the saudis, a-rabs or russians.
mg (31009b) — 3/28/2015 @ 3:04 amIt’s no surprise. But I’m surprised even Obama is letting her get away with this. As I’ve been saying ever since this story broke, most recently @9, if I were a foreign leader I’d cut off all information exchanges with the US because apparently, according to this administration, she broke no laws with this stunt. I happen to know better, but that’s there story and they’re sticking to it.
In the absence of any information security laws at the Department of State I would just have to assume that any information I’d exchange with them would be compromised. But the preezy should figure that too. I’m assuming he had a few foreign policy surprises while Hillary! was SecState. That for all his malevolence and ineptitude there were times when he just got outmaneuvered and things didn’t work out like he hoped.
And it never crosses this genius’ mind that one reason why is because people were reading Hillary!’s email? No, apparently it doesn’t. I’ve been emphasizing the foreign government aspect because it looks like no one at the Freshman Dorm administration has the remotest clue why this matters. So since nobody within our own government is going to do anything about it, it’s going to have to be up to a foreign government to let the Obamateurs know why this matters. Sure, we have security regulations so that sensitive foreign government information isn’t compromised. But we also have them so our own information isn’t compromised.
We know that Hillary!’s aids were also using this entirely private email server. Given the revelations about others throughout the executive branch also doing the same thing, I have to conclude it’s Obama’s policy to evade the Federal Records Act by using private email accounts and private devices. The idiots seem to think the only reason they’re supposed to use government email accounts and government devices is so their federal records are archived. And they think they’ll be clever and evade that requirement.
It never occurs to them that their communications are top espionage targets even after they’ve already been caught out. It’s ironic that their paranoia about secrecy resulted in our adversaries getting a treasure trove of information. Even at times when these sophomoric imbeciles didn’t want them to get that information.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/official-apologizes-for-f-k-eu-comment/
I have never seen people this dense. They’re incapable of learning.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 3:14 amThe really scary thing is they don’t care. Then know how it looks, and they don’t care. They are Versailles, we are the serfs. They just party on.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/28/2015 @ 5:10 amReminded again and again of Nicholas Codevilla’s book that we are but servants of the Ivy League/DC elite. Not sure how you change that right now, who is as compromised, who can be blackmailed or blackballed, and who really could have the money and poltiical backing to change any of it.
Saw the finale “House of Cards”. Frank Underwood is a mere piker compared to the Clinton machine. At least his underling thought about not killing the girl before doing the deed. Hillary! had the hard drive erased with all the thought most give to changing socks or opening a utility bill.
Bugg (aace18) — 3/28/2015 @ 6:00 amOr eliminating Vince Foster.
Hoagie (58a3ec) — 3/28/2015 @ 6:37 amIt’s not just Hillary!, Bugg. I’ve observed the unabashed cronyism, corruption and down right thievery which seems pervasive among Democrats. These traits have overshadowed their policies and even their personalities. Look at the cast of characters: the Clintons, the liar-in-chief, Van Williams, the Nazi lover Soros, all the animals in New York City government, the list goes on and on. All corrupt, from Barney Frank to Rham Emanuel. When the Republicans have a pig in the party we throw the bum out. When the Democrats do they reelect him (Marion Barry). The dems aren’t a political party, they’re a frat party.
Hoagie (58a3ec) — 3/28/2015 @ 6:46 amwhich seems pervasive among Democrats.
Corruption is incubated or nurtured to a greater degree in communities or societies dominated by liberal politicians, by a liberal culture. I can’t think of any conservative counterparts to places that are as absurdly bad as a Detroit or Venezuela, or a Sweden:
Mark (c160ec) — 3/28/2015 @ 7:38 amThe server is the squirrel, the bright shiny object. Where are the backups? There are always backups.
Pseudonymous (e138ef) — 3/28/2015 @ 7:45 amThe first step that needs to be done is Hillary Frog Marched to a jail cell and force the networks to carry it.
Second step, Frog March Obama, his Czars, and all the political appointees of his administration to jail as soon as the new President says “I Do” to the Presidential Oath on 1/20/17.
PCD (39058b) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:04 amIn our celebration of Harry Reid exiting stage left, we are about to see the elevation of Chuck Schumer. Should be interesting watching the MFM pretend this is a serious person.The guy is upright vermin, part and parcel of the Clinton machine. If they told him to fellate Ol’Bill in Macys window, his only question would be the time and day. There are no values to him other than winning the next election and staying in power.
Comedian Amy Schumer happens to be his niece-and hates him and does not talk to him. A guy who’s own family cannot stand him is probably a major league DB.
Bugg (aace18) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:20 amPressure the bureaucrats who knew this was going on and either looked the other way or assisted it. HRC obviously bent the rules far past the breaking point but did it with the full knowledge she’d get away with it because the people participating in and maintaining her private communication network had as much to lose as she did. Leaving the IG position unfilled was clever but was the entire IG operation shut down? I doubt it. Exposing the depth and breadth of either HRC’s corruption or breathtaking incompetence as Secy of State will do more damage to her future than the path Congress is on.
crazy (cde091) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:50 amWhen I wrote that despite the fact that Prom Queen’s foreign policy is an intentional disaster he must have had a few surprises, a few times when he just got outmaneuvered and things blew up in his face he didn’t know why, I was thinking specifically about what happened in Libya. I recall how shell-shocked the Obama cabal looked after Benghazi; like they didn’t know what hit them. This may be old news but:
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/03/28/was-hillary-running-a-secret-intel-network/
I must have been tired last night when I wrote my comment @43, because of course there’s a very obvious reason why Obama would let her get away with this.
Recall when Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes was desperate to advance the WH spin the Benghazi attack “To underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video and not a broader failure of policy.”
It was obvious at the time that there were no protests, and consequently as per usual everything this administration says for public consumption is the opposite of the truth (the official emails are purely to provide bogus federal records advancing the the false narrative for the archives) the attacks were entirely due to a broader policy failure.
A policy so horrendous, so anti-American, that it had to be kept from the intel professionals at State’s INR. That’s why Hillary! was running her own private intel operation. And of course it is Obama’s policy. Just as Obama’s Iran policy is so horrendous, so anti-American that everyone except loyalists have to be kept out of the loop.
Since that entire horrendous, anti-American M.E. policy could be found on Hillary!’s private server, then Obama isn’t going to go after her for it.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:17 pmthis is the origin of the talking points, but who did Drumheller get the data from, clearly the notion it was Qaddafi loyalists upset about Magarief was wrong, the emails do become clearer later on, ie; the Saudi funders behind AQIM
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:26 pmMy point is I think Turkey found out Obama was double crossing him. Recall his ambassador had dinner with Stevens and according to eye witness accounts had to drive through the Ansar al Sharia checkpoints.
Turkey was initially comfortable with Obama’s Iran engagement policy. It fit with their “no problems with Muslim neighbors” policy. But by the Summer of 2012 it was alarmed by Tehran’s growing influence in Syria and Iraq. With Syria and Iraq dominated by Iran it would most definitely have problems with its Muslim neighbors.
This is a recent statement, but:
http://en.etilaf.org/all-news/political-news/erdogan-iran-must-withdraw-from-syria-yemen-and-iraq.html
What if Turkey found out this was Obama’s goal as well? That his engagement with Iran wasn’t what he was telling Erdogan? I don’t recall when Obama said in one of his speeches that Iran could be a “very successful regional power.” But I can definitely see Erdogan growing alarmed if he found out Obama secretly mean something very different by “very successful regional power” than he was letting on in his talks with the Turks.
The reason why even nominally friendly countries spy on each other is to find out if their attitudes toward matters are indeed sincere. Since when has Obama been sincere with anyone except Iran’s Supreme Leader?
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:46 pmAt the very least. If I remember the timeline the Turkish ambassador (I don’t recall if that was his actual diplomatic title) he may have had to drive past the Ansar al Sharia pick-up trucks getting ready to set up the road blocks just to get to that dinner. It’s always been curious he wouldn’t mention anything to Stevens either at dinner or after he left.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:50 pmthat’s possible, however Turkey was along with Qatar and the Kingdom, deeply involved in the Libyan Salafi network, that ran through into Syria,
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/28/2015 @ 2:51 pmfrom the mouth of the lion:
http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/03/28/pro-rouhani-defector-blasts-us-negotiators-as-iran-apologists/
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/28/2015 @ 3:08 pmObama’s Iran engagement policy has forced Erdogan to face facts and repair his relationship with the Saudis and the Gulf states. It won’t be easy, but since as the article observes he has no foreign policy left to speak of (remind you of anyone) it’s his only option.
Turkey has been on the losing side because it was on Obama’s side. It looks to me like Erdogan has decided he backed the wrong horse.
Turkey will not participate in the offensive to liberate Mosul. It will support it. But then, Erdogan is also looking to provide logistical support to the Saudi-led operations in Yemen.
http://www.demanjo.com/news/world/973774/turkey-s-erdogan-discusses-yemen-operations-with-saudi-king-salman–presidential-sources.html
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 3:22 pmchb3 (1871be) — 3/27/2015 @ 6:48 pm
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/28/2015 @ 6:56 pm49. Pseudonymous (e138ef) — 3/28/2015 @ 7:45 am
They may not be around for very long, if Congress shows no interest in subpoenaeing them.
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/28/2015 @ 6:57 pmThey may not be around for very long, if Congress shows no interest in subpoenaeing them.
They subpoenaed the originals. If there are backups for destroyed emails, they should be covered by the original subpoena. You do not have to specify which copy and what disk it is on.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/28/2015 @ 7:15 pm“We are now overtly supporting our enemy, conceding to our enemy, abandoning a country that is that enemy’s enemy and has been our ally for over sixty years (Israel). We are doing this not because our hand is being forced by a military or economic defeat—au contraire—but because our president wants to do it. And although Obama has always said during campaigns that he favors talks with Iran, he has always said that he will not concede the very things he is getting ready to concede, and always pledged his support for Israel.”
– neo-neocon
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/28/2015 @ 7:39 pmI laugh at people I thought were fellow Americans
mg (31009b) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:04 pmI cry for my two daughters future
Our children and our children’s children. It is hard to understand how this is being allowed to happen. It’s outrageous.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:14 pmCol. – Why have we no courage as 2015 Americans?
mg (31009b) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:21 pm4
mg (31009b) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:29 pmhttp://www.truthrevolt.org/news/party-sky-beer-flows-air-force-one-fla-golf-trip
Moreover the originals that were subpoenaed were for actual emails. Not paper copies of emails. As many people have pointed out, because it’s an obvious point, paper copies of emails don’t provide important metadata. That would be just as important as what’s on the printed page.
I don’t understand how Hillary! can get away with destroying so much of what was actually subpoenaed. The fact that she only provided paper copies is evidence in and of itself she did not provide the required information.
Also, @53 I linked to a HotAir post about hacked emails that went through Hillary1’s private server concerning her private intelligence operations. Most notable was Blumenthal arranging for a $60k fact finding mission to the Tunisia-Libya border. Were those among the documents she provided to State? Or were those among the emails she destroyed because apparently it was just a personal expense, no doubt having to do with planning for Chelsea’s wedding?
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:58 pmThose defaults can be changed. They strung Congress along by asking for an extension to ostensibly provide the emails that were subpoenaed. Clearly the real reason was to allow the original system defaults to destroy the emails.
That’s willful destruction, nothing more.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:04 pmDon’t you dare question his love of country, Coronello, sez the people who called 47 Senators “traitors” for publishing an open letter that merely provided an elementary-school lesson in how our Constitution works.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:09 pmIf one of us had done this we’d already be behind bars, on our way to USP Leavenworth. The only question would be how many years after 20.
We haven’t lived in a “classless society” for a long time, now it’s merely class-less.
htom (4ca1fa) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:10 pmthat was ‘sacred knowledge’ Steve, thou shall not speak it,
narciso (ee1f88) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:11 pmactually, do not assume that there backups or at least backups from over a year ago. the indications are that this was a home-style setup, so real backups may not be there.
iirc, Martha Stewart got nailed for removing a “Re:” from a subject line in an email.
As for Erdogan , I wonder if it is due to out PotUS that he turned against Israel.
seeRpea (c1462d) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:17 pm@73, Erdogan is an @$$hole. My earlier comments notwithstanding I’m not a fan. I figure the fact that he’s an @$$hole is the main reason he is one of the few if not only world leaders with which Obama had any real personal relationship. Birds of a feather and all. I think he would have turned against Israel anyway, but perhaps not so massively and quickly if his partner in crime didn’t give him a big thumbs up.
He’s not stupid though; that’s where he’s different from Prom Queen.
I’m not a fan of “the kingdom,” either, but they’re not stupid either. They caught onto Tiger Beat and his Freshman Dorm approach to M.E. policy very early on.
http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2009/07/saudi-arabia-rejects-president-obamas.html
Please, not “the United States.” We have nothing in common with the Obama administration. Also “deluded themselves into thinking” would have been a better way of putting it than “hoped.” The entire Obama F.P. is based on delusions.
If you click on the link, the photo is priceless.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:38 pmSaudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal wore Western style clothes??
seeRpea (c1462d) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:45 pmNot the clothes. The way he looked at Hillary! speaks volumes.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 10:02 pmHe has Parkinson’s Disease. It affects facial expression although the most common is “poker face”.
nk (dbc370) — 3/28/2015 @ 10:08 pmParkinson’s Disease or no, that’s not a look he gives everybody.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 10:19 pmhttp://weaselzippers.us/218842-iranian-journalist-defects-during-nuclear-talks/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/28/2015 @ 10:20 pmIt’s not surprising that, given what he knows, he didn’t defect to the US like people looking for freedom used to do.
You know, before we elected this American-hating preezy.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 10:56 pmSteve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 8:58 pm
She herself wasn’t subpoenaed, I think. The State Department was. And they quietly got her e-mails without telling the committee that they had none of hers, except what had been sent to State Department addresses. I get the impression there was some back and forth with Hillary’s lawyers, and one request they made evidently was that the state De[artment should also ask other previous Secretaries of States for any e-mails they had retained. Of course, nobody else had done this thing. But that let Hillary portray this as something that had been requested from all of them, as an act of bookkeeping, maybe, and there was nothing special about their interest in her e-mails.
I think also, from something Secretary of State John Kerry said that they thought they (now) had all – that at first they noticed some e-mails in their records that Hillary did not give a copy of.
I’m pretty sure the search terms were being negotiated with the State Department and that they were also reverse engineered so as not to capture some things, like maybe forwarding of any emails to another account. There are still probably some damning things in there that she wound up supplying, or clues to things, but they are buried in the 55,000 pages.
Of course you have to be a little bit suspicious to voice this.
Maybe one thing that might be captured with metadata might be how many non-supplied e-mails there might be in between some supplied ones.
Actually, I think the Blumenthal e-mails are probably just Russian forgeries, and the FSB could have gotten the very real hdr22@clintonemail.com address from a 100 different sources since this was also used for her Clinton Foundation business.
The Blumenthal e-mails are much too un-opinionated to be real, and every source cited is anonymous, which doesn’t sound like something Sidney Blumenthal would write, or even forward without comment in what after all supposed to be secret e-mail messages, and every thing that could prove it real was hidden. It apparently cites the very real hdr22@clinetonemail.com address, or supposedly was sent there, but Putin could have obtained it in 100 different ways, especially since it was also used for Clinton Foundation business, and it might have bene used because the address was known to some people, and not actualy secret.
There also exist forgeries of imaginary excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s real book “Hard Choices” and further excerpts from an imaginary book she didn’t write. I figure Hillary Clinton is a favorite target of Russian forgers. And the KGB was known for forgeries, so this would be more of the same thing.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/28/2015 @ 9:04 pm
No, they were destroyed much earlier.
This first became public around Monday Marxh 2, with the New York Times story, and the committee had been given the Benghazi and Libya related emails from her about 3 weeks before or about February 9. She finished with the State Department in December, and it is then when must have deleted all of her emails that were more than 60 days old, and set this auto-delete on.
So from March 2 till now, we’ve lost only January, 2015 e-mails, and she no doubt cleaned up her address book and the like, and if anybody inadvertantly sent something to a clintonemail.com address, that maybe had a chance to go away.
You know 60 days – that’s even less than New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s email policy, which is to delete all New York State government emails after 90 days. 60 days must be the minimum credible period of e-mail retention. I don’t think any clintonemail.com address is being used now for anything but the most innocent purposes.
The committee knew, since about August, that some Hillary Clinton e-mails had come from non-State department addresses but they didn’t know that all of them were and they probably thought the State Department had copiesd of all of them, and it was the Obama Administration’s State Department that was holding out on the subpoena. They raised the issue of other emails with the State Department, and then the State Department began trying to ge the emails from Hillary and it took about 3-4 months till they satisfied or gave up on getting more.
I think the Clinton lawyers may be slowing people down so that they don’t subpoena the backups, which may be set on a course of destruction.
They are being probably careful about the destruction or hiding of the backups, being careful not to do it all at once. The committee is very unlikely to get around to subpoenaeing the right things in time.
But I’ll tell you one thing they could do. They could subpoena all communication between the State Department and Hillary or her lawyers about these emails and request that any attorney-client privilege be waived and the lawyers testify about this. And if she doesn’t waive attorney client privelege, some Republicans can make a point about this, and they shouldn’t stop. The lawyers could be asked some very interesting questions, and probably the answers would give rise to more questions..
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/28/2015 @ 11:32 pmWhat the defector is saying is that The U.S. negotiaters are mainly trying to get the other members of the P+5 to accept Iranian demands – they are trying to sell it to the others.
(But France almost sees things eye to eye with Israel)
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/28/2015 @ 11:39 pmOh, those emails are FSB forgeries. For the sake of argument let’s say you’re right. Then they’re exhibit A in my case that her use of a private email server for State Department business axiomatically compromised national security.
You know, there are laws against that.
Thanks for making my point.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 12:31 amYou don’t have to be suspicious to know that by handing over only paper copies and then slicking her hard drives she was denying any investigators a lot of information. Such as location data; the recipient IP address and the sender IP address (so you could determine if those are Russian forgeries or not), as well as the route the email took. Normally there are a lot of stops along the way, and each server adds its own metadata as the email is routed from sender to recipient. So if you had the metadata you could validate the emails, and you could also determine if there are other servers to examine.
Everything Hillary! has done shows a consciousness of guilt.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 1:19 amhttp://www.smarsh.com/blog/importance-email-metadata-highlighted-court-rulings-public-records-laws/
I don’t hold much hope for Congress to get to the bottom of this, but the conservative groups who got screwed in court because Hillary! withheld her emails will be more determined to and no doubt more successful in bringing Hillary!’s crimes to light.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 1:36 amCan i beat narciso to the punch?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/obamas_one_fine_mess_of_potage.html
Time to get the NSA to do their job. Reconstruct the Benghazi virtual paper trail.
DNF (8028c5) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:09 am55. Turkish Special Envoy to UN in charge of shiny things:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1755
Ansar al Sharia and detail from Musa serving as honor guard to accompany the Ambassador to his five star temporary digs awaiting the Blind Sheik epiphany.
DNF (8028c5) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:21 amMake that 56. Why else would the Secretary gut security at a consulate in no-mans-land an send the new gay pollyanna out naked on 9/11.
Because Huma was handling the place settings.
DNF (8028c5) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:31 amThe high crimes of President JarJar Obinks have gifted us WWIII with his retarded schemes.
DNF (8028c5) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:39 amOne of my pet peeves about 9/11/12.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html
Yes, they certainly did. Because at least one of those mobs, the one in Cairo, was being organized by a heavy social media and press campaign.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/10/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-u-s-embassy-in-cairo/
You don’t just get that large of a mob unless you plan ahead. The jihadist groups were issuing press releases, advertising the event on facebook, reminding people to show up to burn the US embassy on Twitter. And not doubt posting flyers all over Cairo.
It would have been hard to miss.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:47 amAnd yet this is the press release the WH put out on September 10, 2012.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/10/readout-president-s-meeting-senior-administration-officials-our-prepared
Clearly by “specific measures…to protect U.S. persons and facilities abroad” they meant ensuring DoD gave everyone the day off so nothing was available to respond, and checking in with DoS and doublecheck special security precautions were forbidden.
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 6:51 amGeorge Will on FOX NEWS SUNDAY just observed that last week’s unanswered question was, Is Hillary hiding something?
ropelight (4fb350) — 3/29/2015 @ 7:00 amAnd, this week’s question is, What is Hillary hiding?
According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of…
One pardon we can count on before Obama leaves office is the Blind Sheik. That’s what the demonstrations were about.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 3/29/2015 @ 7:02 amAnd, this week’s question is, What is Hillary hiding
The very fact such a person has to be discussed and analyzed so seriously at this late date (which is a response that makes 1,000% sense if one assumes the US public will respond appropriately) already illustrates just how eroded our political scene (eg, Gallup Polls on Hillary!, etc) has become. I mean would a Hillary! (and husband) have gotten as far as she has — done as well as she has — over 40 to 50 years ago? That’s debatable or doubtful, since our country has become dumbed down in a way that even the biggest cynics wouldn’t have thought possible decades ago or even as recently as 8 years ago.
Mark (c160ec) — 3/29/2015 @ 9:03 amBilly Jeff had credibly been accused of rape, perjured himself, suborned perjury, and consequently was disbarred, on his way to losing a sexual harassment lawsuit, and it couldn’t have mattered less to the women who were diehard Clinton fans.
So the reality is it won’t matter to diehard Clinton fans that Hillary! committed obstruction of justice (at the very least).
Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 11:40 am^ That’s why I’ve pored over your thoroughly explained posts in this thread about just how bad, just how guilty, Hillary Clinton is, but feel like the whole matter is organizing for a big event or party where the eventual number of visitors or guests will be small to nil.
I’ve occasionally mused in the past about what it must be like for ethical, sensible and ideologically well-grounded people to live in a country similar to a Mexico/Venezuela or France, or a city like Detroit or San Francisco. But in today’s America that curiosity is starting to be moved closer to home, to be answered up close and personal.
Mark (c160ec) — 3/29/2015 @ 12:07 pm84. Steve57 (b69525) — 3/29/2015 @ 1:19 am
This is interesting:
http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/sites/democrats.benghazi.house.gov/files/documents/2015_03_27_Kendall_to_TG_re_Response_to_March_4_Subpoena.pdf
(David Kendall’s letter to the House Committee about Hillary’s e-mails)
Page 2, in the footnote on the bottom:
What he is saying is that hrod17@clintonemail.com became the new name of hdr22@clintonemail.com.
He also says she can’t turn over to the committee any emails because she needs approval from the State Department (because of a letter received on March 23, 2015 – which they probably requested) and the State Department should be the one asked for anything.
This March 23 letter came 4 days after a March 19 letter from the committee asking that her server be turned over for independent review. Kendall also says the March 19 letter cited not legal authority (i.e. the State Department letter trumps it because it is not a subpoena)
He also says they received a request from the committee on December 2, 2014. (And 3 days later they turned over what they turned over to the State Department and deleted everything else!)
He says the State Department made its request on October 28, 2014 (obviously not the first one, because Hillary admitted she was first about this in August or September)
as for Hillary Clinton being the sole arb
I think all communications between her and her lawyers and the State Department would be very interesting to see.
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/31/2015 @ 6:32 pmAs for Hillary Clinton being the sole arbiter of what is private and what is work-related he says that is the procedure used by the National Archives and Records Administration does all the time. That’s what tens of thousands of people do, including Lois Lerner. (he didn’t say that)
He says the State Department, and other agencies, places the obligation of determining what is appropriate and not appropriate for preservation on individual employees – on the senders and recipients.
And that the Foreign Affairs Manual says the purpose is not to require the preservation of every e-mail message but just those to contain information necessary to ensure that departmental policies, programs and activities are adequately documented.
(that obviously would not include attempted bribery attempts, failed lobbying efforts, or the like; nor secret, personal consultations with outsiders, because all that is before anything becomes a departmental policy or activity – SF. He didn’t say that either.)
Sammy Finkelman (033fec) — 3/31/2015 @ 6:44 pm