Rand Paul Dings Jeb Bush On Hypocrisy
[guest post by Dana]
This weekend, the Boston Globe did a big write-up on Jeb Bush’s years of struggle while attending the exclusive Phillips Academy. One point the article focused on was Bush’s use of marijuana during his difficult time at the school. Classmate Peter Tibbetts recalled:
The first time Tibbetts smoked marijuana, he said, was with Bush and a few other classmates in the woods near Pemberton Cottage. Then, a few weeks later, Tibbetts said he smoked hashish — a cannabis product typically stronger than pot — in Jeb’s dormitory room.
“The first time I really got stoned was in Jeb’s room,” Tibbetts said. “He had a portable stereo with removable speakers. He put on Steppenwolf for me.” As the rock group’s signature song, ‘Magic Carpet Ride,'” blared from the speakers, Tibbetts said he smoked hash with Bush.
He said he once bought hashish from Bush but stressed, in a follow-up e-mail, “Please bear in mind that I was seeking the hash. It wasn’t as if he was a dealer, though he did suggest I take up cigarettes so that I could hold my hits better, after that first joint.”
Bush previously has acknowledged what he called his “stupid” and “wrong” use of marijuana.
Given that last summer Bush argued against a proposal in his state for medical marijuana, claiming that such a proposal would harm Florida’s “family-friendly destination for tourism and a desirable place to raise a family or retire,” Sen. Rand Paul, who is currently polling second behind Scott Walker in a new Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll of likely Republican caucusgoers (standing position was adjusted after Romney’s exit), seized the opportunity to point out Bush’s hypocrisy:
“You would think he’d have a little more understanding then,” Paul told The Hill while en route to a political event in Texas.
“He was even opposed to medical marijuana,” Paul said of Bush, a potential rival in the 2016 Republican presidential primary. “This is a guy who now admits he smoked marijuana but he wants to put people in jail who do.
“I think that’s the real hypocrisy, is that people on our side, which include a lot of people who made mistakes growing up, admit their mistakes but now still want to put people in jail for that,” he said.
“Had he been caught at Andover, he’d have never been governor, he’d probably never have a chance to run for the presidency,” he added.
Additionally:
“I think in politics the biggest thing, the thing that voters from any part of the spectrum hate worse than anything is hypocrisy. And hypocrisy is, ‘Hey I did it and it’s okay for me because I was rich and at an elite school but if you’re poor and black or brown and live in a poor section of one of our big cities, we’re going to put you in jail and throw away the key,’ ” Paul said.
No response from the Bush camp to the accusation. And although it’s still early, Bush, along with Chris Christie and Ted Cruz, is lagging behind Paul, according to the Iowa poll.
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: I think this is a weak argument. Many people — even presidential candidates! — do things in their youth that they are later ashamed of. That fact does not make it automatic “hypocrisy” if they believe, as adults, that the behavior should be criminalized.
Rand Paul would do better making a philosophical case for drug legalization, based on the premise that people own their own bodies. The problem he will have to confront, as proponents of drug legalization always do, is the fact that legalization is likely to lead to more use. Supply and demand dictates that result, and that basic economic law is not repealed for drugs.
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/2/2015 @ 6:53 amUPDATE BY PATTERICO: I think this is a weak argument. Many people — even presidential candidates! — do things in their youth that they are later ashamed of. That fact does not make it automatic “hypocrisy” if they believe, as adults, that the behavior should be criminalized.
Rand Paul would do better making a philosophical case for drug legalization, based on the premise that people own their own bodies. The problem he will have to confront, as proponents of drug legalization always do, is the fact that legalization is likely to lead to more use. Supply and demand dictates that result, and that basic economic law is not repealed for drugs.
Patterico (9c670f) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:04 amOh. And hello back.
Patterico (9c670f) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:04 amif we nominate a pot-smoking bully like Jeb Bush what does that say about who we are as a people?
We’re better than this.
Aren’t we?
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:09 amWhat Patterico said. I smoke cigarettes and I think I was an idiot for getting the habit back when, and a weak-willed jackass for not quitting cold turkey now, and I tell that to my daughter. I was a drunk and it’s not hypocrisy to tell people that alcohol is a poison which destroys you physically, mentally, and emotionally, and makes you a burden on the people who care for you — it’s speaking from experience.
Rand Paul should stick to creating phony medical certification boards to certify himself and, failing that, continue to take only Medicare, Medicaid and public hospital cases which do not require board certification for remuneration by … the government. (Nudge, nudge.)
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:15 amI agree with Patterico’s update, and would also point out that Rand’s “poor and black or brown…” remarks are pure strawman BS. If that’s what HE’s saying, that’s what HE sees. I’ll never pull the lever for Jeb, but Rand is as dishonest as the left on stuff like this.
BK in BR (c5605e) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:16 amI wonder when the boston globe will will get around to doing an extensive background investigation of obama? Maybe they’ll just classify that as “old news” or “at this point what difference does it make?”
The news media cannot make a case for hypocrisy against anyone. Pot and kettle and all that.
Jim (84e66d) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:20 amPolitico has a nice hit piece on Jeb Bush too. All about the Schiavo case. Has the neutral headline of “Jeb Bush Put Me Through Hell”. Apparently the media feels that Bush is the frontrunner so he must be destroyed.
Mark Johnson (05b23f) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:32 amI question the presumption that making pot illegal has the effect of diminishing supply. Over thirty years ago my voting place was a Seattle high school. I remember walking thru the cafeteria at lunch time on my way to the library where the balloting took place and the air was ripe with the smell of pot. Fifteen years later I was on jury duty and during the quizzing of prospective jurors over a case related to crack possession, a Seattle meter maid explained she had little experience with drugs. However, she volunteered the reason this was so was because she was instructed not to go within six blocks of known drug houses as her superiors were concerned that displaying the uniform might provoke violence. So drugs were illegal, but it was apparent that within the city accommodations were made. Even to the extent that the enforcement of parking laws was waived in a number of neighborhoods to expedite the commerce.
Drugs and our municipal governments are two topics that are rarely mentioned in the same sentence. I often wonder just how influential this black market is in determining the character of our urban communities. At the very least, the costs imposed on the consumers of illegal drugs are rather minor.
bobathome (f50725) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:45 amOne should never forbid what one lacks the power to prevent.
— Napoleon Bonaparte
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/n/napoleon_bonaparte_3.html#Qg5ytlL23wA2l4TW.99
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:56 amthe problem lies in the culture that encourages marijuana consumption, without it the supply is immaterial
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 7:58 amIt’s easier to control people through their vices than through their virtues. Also Napoleon. In this case laziness. If we make drugs harder to get, fewer people will use them. The same way we eat more beef and Arabs eat more camel.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:06 amI have every reason to believe that drug use is a bad idea. I also believe that alcohol is widely abused. I have done both in the misty (and I mean misty) past. I understand that some with similar experiences would ban them all (as they are increasingly doing, again, with alcohol and have almost done with tobacco).
That’s not hypocrisy, that’s a preference for statism. Rand is burying the lede.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:22 amYour never going to stop the # 1 Cash Crop in America.
mg (31009b) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:28 amIt’s big business, all cash.
I think the hypocrisy argument is “I smoked weed and I’m running for president, but it so extremely harmful that we need to send people to jail for it.”
Well, it’s obviously *not* that harmful if Jeb and his brother could smoke that (and worse) and be intelligent enough to be governors and Presidents. So his argument must either be “It wasn’t harmful *to me* for X reason” (Straight hypocrisy) or “I don’t care why it’s illegal it should stay that way.” (bullshit)
JWB (6cba10) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:32 amnk,
I did not know there were laws against eating camel, or Arabs eating beef.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:36 amI’m amazed the left hasn’t claimed that the illegal aliens from south of the border are skilled technicians in the marijuana growing industry. And we need that skilled labor!!!
mg (31009b) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:43 amIf my local 7-11 had morphine alongside the vodka, I’d be a junkie too. Does that work better as an example?
Availability matters. Demand is wishful thinking without supply. Make things harder to get, fewer people will get them.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:47 amtrue, but we still come to a culture, that freely accepted the consumption of said product,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:52 amOne of the things that is seldom discussed is that some people simply have more additive personalities or maybe it should be better described as having a more chemical addictive physiology than other humans. I have no scientific proof of this, it is purely anecdotal, but I am not only convinced of it, I am also convinced that in many cases it is genetic. Some people can naturally handle their likker and pot and some can’t. Some can quit the ciggies fairly easily and some cannot. It’s not always weak will or lack of trying is what I’m saying.
elissa (2e819b) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:57 amAnd the laws are not making the stuff hard enough to get. They behead drug dealers in Saudi Arabia and hang them in Malaysia and others take their place. Back to the first quote from Napoleon?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:00 am“Hello… hello… wouldn’t you like some of my tangerine… you know I’d never treat you mean”
– Rand Paul
Colonel Haiku (39259d) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:04 amIf we make drugs harder to get, fewer people will use them.
Given that we don’t have the will to make drugs harder to get, it is not surprising that we haven’t been able to convince more people to stop using them. As it is, I suspect that the enforcement is set at a level where those who participate in the market as suppliers have found it helpful to have some friends in city hall. I’m sure that both sides can find ways to make this a mutually beneficial relationship. We saw this in Prohibition. It is laughable that there is little awareness of the problem today.
So I fall in Napoleon’s camp … we don’t have the power to prevent it, so get out of the arena entirely. I suspect we do little more than enforce monopolies that some very serious criminals have established. That, at least, would be a logical evolution.
bobathome (f50725) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:06 amI wouldn’t say I’m ashamed I smoked my body weight but it certainly toke a toll and I wish I’d made different choices.
Old men have regrets and you will listen for good or ill.
DNF (a8da91) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:13 amThe abuse of drugs is also facilitated by the nanny state. If someone gets an overdose or partakes of some contaminated substance, they simply show up at the ER and a day or two later they are back on the street looking for the next opportunity to risk there life. And if someone gets fired for testing positive in a workplace drug test, the welfare system will find a way to tide they over while their lawyer tries to find a way to get them back on the job.
So as a society we have removed the essential notion of personal responsibility, which is really the only antidote to these mind altering drugs.
bobathome (f50725) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:18 amIf my local 7-11 had morphine alongside the vodka, I’d be a junkie too. Does that work better as an example?
Pot, crack, heroin, speed, etc are all illegal and equally easy to find. Why do people use some and not others?
Tobacco is legal. It’s use is declining and may well be below that of pot among young people. Are you arguing that this means that society approves of it? Or that the illegality of pot keeps people away?
Sorry, you’ll have to try harder.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:25 am*Its
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:25 amyet the culture disapproves of it’s consumption with pot and other items, the reverse is true,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:33 amSome people like mandarin oranges, some people like navel oranges, some people like blood oranges. They’re still not apples.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:40 amWhat we could try is to outlaw drug dealers. In the old sense of “outlaw”. Place them outside the protection of the law.
“It shall be an affirmative defense to any offense under this Criminal Code of 2012 that the victim was selling or delivering to another person, for money or other material consideration, without a license, any substance listed in Schedules I though V inclusive of the Controlled Substances Act, Article ___ of this Code.”
Allow anybody to kill them, rob them, rape them, beat them, steal their cars, break their windows …. Just take the government out of illegal drugs altogether. What do you think?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:49 amIf the debate over our next presidential candidate hinges on college drug use, we are so screwed.
JD (bba46c) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:49 amI preface this by saying that neither Jeb Bush nor Rand Paul are on my “top 10” list of preferred 2016 GOP presidential or vice-presidential nominees, and I think it would be a serious mistake for the Party to nominate either. There are many, many better and more electable alternatives for this must-win election. That important disclaimer made:
Outside Florida, Jeb Bush is still better known for being George W.’s brother than anything else. That is the proverbial two-edged sword, for with the name recognition comes a lot of deeply conditioned and powerfully reflexive Bush Dementia. But in this one limited respect, Jeb is benefited, objectively and discretely, by being Dubya’s little bro:
George W. Bush campaigned for president as he had for Texas governor and before that, for Congress — with a frank acknowledgement of his past addictive behavior and its consequences. In a memorable line that also conveyed a lot about his directness, he insisted that “When I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish.”
It would have been a completely successful campaign strategy, but for the fact that they didn’t go ahead and disclose (and thereby, as politicians and trial lawyers say, “pull the fangs on”) the DWI guilty plea well in advance of the 2000 election. As ’twas, that nearly made Al Gore POTUS — and God help us, where would we be now if that had happened?
Rand Paul, like his father, says some interesting things, and in the big picture I’m pleased to see him in this race. It’s not because I think there is the remotest chance that he will be nominated, much less elected. But he will contribute to the debate, and his particular contributions may indeed help educate Americans on quite a few very important civil liberty and economic issues. (I’ve thought this about his dad, too, whom I first met at a Texas Young Republicans convention at the Mockingbird Hilton in Dallas in 1973 or 1974.)
What’s clearly happened now is that his nascent campaign organization — which in many ways probably reflects his unconventional positions and outsider status — has taken on, and probably actually hired, some “professional politicians” and their pollsters and droogs. And those guys all do the same kind of mud-slinging; they can turn their caps backwards and sing it Republican or Democrat on command, for any and every candidate.
One of those chaps thought this was a nice brick to throw at Jeb. It will work on a few people, but it’s low-caliber ammo, which is why the pros go ahead and throw it at the wall now, along with a bunch of other stuff they’re focus-grouping and road-testing.
(Sorry for the horribly mixed metaphors.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:51 amGeorge W had a weak character as a young man, as he would be the first to admit, but he turned his life around in his 40s. Maybe Jeb had a similar evolution but I’d like to know if he did.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:52 amI’m stipulating that the fellow who suddenly discovered the medici’s rare herb habit, is like the disbarred DUIer that piped up about Cruz,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:52 amWe already have the de facto legalization of pot here in California that came with Prop. 215, the “medical marijuana” initiative, as well as in other states with similar liberalizations (there were 22 others at last count, virtually half the states in the union). The popular vote and polling tell us that voters understand that quasi-legalization increases use (it clearly has, as any California resident must concede), yet they still support decontrol. And now recreational pot is legal in Washington and Colorado. I don’t think the “increased use” argument has the traction it once had. On the contrary, this ship appears to have sailed and Rand Paul is only jumping onboard. Paul’s medical credentials have the added benefit of giving his comments on marijuana an air of scientific authority.
What I particularly like about this line of attack by Paul is that Bush’s behavior offends both socially conservative drug prohibition absolutists and younger voters who are more comfortable with pot legalization – it plays both sides against the middle. Once again, Paul Jr. demonstrates he’s a clever man (Bush, not so much).
ThOR (a52560) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:53 amnk, do you think that a person who drinks a pint of hard liquor a day is at less risk (or poses less risk) than a junkie who shoots up a fix daily, in a way not related to the illegality of the latter?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:53 amJeb needs to explain more about why he was a dealing drugs to schoolchildren to begin with
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:56 amIllegal drugs aren’t as easy to buy as going to a 7/11. Period. But if you want people to experiment who are otherwise deterred by the possible consequences then, by all means, make it legal.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:56 amwhy he was
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:57 amadealing drugs to schoolchildren to begin withBTW, the main target audience, at this point, for this kind of intra-party sniping is not the general voting public, nor even likely GOP primary voters, but early big donors.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:57 amOTOH, is that anyone here that thinks that Rand never used pot? Does not still use pot? This seems like a stone thrown from a glass house.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:58 amWell you can’t separate the illegality. But for the sake of argument, I’ll ignore the difference between walking across the street to the 7-11 and driving to the West Side of Chicago.
There is still a difference between me tying a ligature on my arm and mainlining in front of my house while watching the girls go by, and with me standing with a Dixie cup of Jack Daniels (with ice) and a Marlboro in front of my house watching the girls go by.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 9:59 amBut if you want people to experiment who are otherwise deterred by the possible consequences then, by all means, make it legal.
Few children today experiment with legal tobacco, and the numbers are so low that prohibition probably would not change them. Why? Because tolerance* does not equal approval.
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Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:01 am*tolerance: used here somewhat ironically
with me standing with a Dixie cup of Jack Daniels (with ice) and a Marlboro in front of my house watching the girls go by.
Standing?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:02 am– Jebbie Jiggles campaign theme, 2015
courtesy of our canadian friends the northern pikes
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:02 amI have a five foot high wrought iron fence I lean on. 😉
Actually, one of my problems was that I was a good drunk. I did not behave anti-socially and reached the falling down stage in the privacy of my home.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:07 amGiven that it is Rand Paul, it is just as likely this is about an ideological hypocrisy in that the GOP clamors on about being for small government and legalizing pot would, in Paul’s eyes, lessen government involvement in private lives. Thus he likely is also trying to show Bush, who is making an adamant stand against any form of legalization, including medical use, as anything but a small government guy. He wants voters to be struck by two levels of hypocrisy.
It’s taken me 20 mins to write this comment, so if anyone else already brought this up, disregard.
Dana (9c3f51) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:08 amLibertarians sweat the small stuff because they only have will o’ the wisps and moonshine to offer for the big stuff, Dana.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:12 am— Yu can haz a pot party with hookers.
— What about border security?
— Yu can haz guns too.
— Iran is building a nuclear weapon.
— Transsexual hookers.
— We have 95 million unemployed.
— Untaxed pot-dealing transsexual hookers with guns.
Pretty much the Libertarian platform.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:17 amPatterico, the greatest problem with the War on Drugs, is that it has made a mockery of half the Bill of Rights (4th through 8th are eviscerated in practice in every jurisdiction), it has destroyed the competency of the Courts and made prosecutors lazy and in too many cases corrupt.
Prosecutors get away with antics in criminal cases that the same judges would never allow in civil cases – all because Prosecutors are judged by their conviction rates, and judges by being “hard on crime” – and drug cases are the easiest to prosecute because the people caught are the poor and dumb, and do not have access to the quality of legal representation needed to keep the adversarial justice system honest.
The practice of our “undercover drug enforcement agents” does little to actually stop trafficking, because the vast majority is focused on building stats, not protecting from lawbreakers.
The idea that the small amount of additional problem drug use outweighs the benefits of the reformation of our justice system and the reclaiming of our civil rights is giving power to the nanny state that is abused and will always be abused.
Steve Malynn (6b1ce5) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:22 amDRJ, I too would be/will be interested to see what Jeb says about this stuff, in part to see how it compares to Dubya’s history. In any event, though, I’m 100% certain that Jeb and those advising him have been considering this issue since at least 2000. Whether they have a good plan or not, I don’t know, but I’m very sure they have a plan, a narrative, a careful path charted.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:23 amI think Dana makes a good point about Rand Paul’s views and possible motives. I also think Libertarians and other small government advocates can appear to be sniping at people because they are against many policies, but don’t seem to be for anything. I suspect this is inherent in being for limited government. That’s unfortunate because IMO being for small government is a good thing, but it’s important politicians try explain what they’re for as well as what they’re against, but I doubt Rand Paul wants to get into pot laws at this point in the campaign.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:23 amPerhaps someone from, or more knowledgeable about, Florida can enlighten us as to whether Jeb’s alcohol-and-drugs history was ever plumbed and discussed in his gubernatorial races.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:24 amI attended UT when Jeb was there although I didn’t know him. Drug use was common but hidden, because the police would arrest you and there could be significant consequences. It sounds old-fashioned now but getting arrested for drugs probably would have kept me from getting accepted to law school, and almost certainly would have kept me from getting a law license. This will sound harsh but the people I knew who used drugs were people who had problems with peer pressure or were insecure, and they seem to be the same people today they were then. It’s not a character flaw but it is a weakness, and not everyone had the weakness.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:29 amno, never, he was always considered the strait arrow, how he finished at the U, Texas in 2/ 1/2 years, as opposed to older brother W, who was considered a Prince Hal,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:31 amThey haven’t even started on his daughter Noelle and his wife Columba, yet.
elissa (2e819b) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:38 amAgain, in a world with Biden, isn’t it interesting how the media spends its time?
So maddening.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:43 amDo you remember when Cruz had Holder squirming over whether we can assassinate a U.S. citizen suspected of terrorism while he was having a coffee in a sidewalk cafe in a U.S. city? Paul Rand was satisfied to know that the government would not send a drone over his backyard to spy on him in his hot tub (pot and girls left unsaid). He’s a fluff.
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:45 amit’s the Boston Globe, they held Lurch up so high, they needed a chiropractor,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:46 ambefore the ’94 race, the new times, the local alternative paper, wrote a piece tying him to certain importers, so this isn’t the lowest they can go in a long shot,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:51 amWeed and pills and other drugs are definitely preferable to booze because they don’t have the same calorie count.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:12 ambut a glass of red wine is the same as going to the gym
it’s cause of science
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:18 ambut what gets me is the double standard
if Jeb Bush was a Republican and it came out that he’d sold illegal hashish narcotic marijuana drugs to schoolchildren the media would be all over it
he’d be out of the race for sure
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:25 am“weak argument”? it is pathetic and wrong headed. lets do some examples:
So because i shoplifted when i was a teenager it would be hypocritical of me to be against stealing.
or
because i lied to a teacher when i was a teenager, it would be hypocritical of me to be against perjury.
or
because i hit a classmate when i was a teenager it would be hypocritical of me to be against assault.
Do we have to go through all the things a teenager does that are stupid?
seeRpea (181740) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:34 amClassic William F. Buckley on cigarettes, illegal drug and hypocrisy along with a major shot at Jesse Jackson. Must watch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BbmbIoynZQ
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:36 amseeRpea – Heh! I was never a teenager and I dare anyone to prove otherwise.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:39 amGood one daleyrocks
mg (31009b) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:52 amre #66: 🙂 , i need to remember that. unfortunately too many witnesses of my teenage years 🙁
btw: speaking of hypocrisy:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/hps-whitman-received-19-6m-in-compensation-despite-staff-layoffs/
Okay, not quite the same thing. But I really hate when management does this sort of thing. Even if the goals in the contracts is met, shouldn’t do it.
seeRpea (181740) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:56 am#47–
As I said earlier, “That’s not hypocrisy, that’s a preference for statism. Rand is burying the lede.”
Kevin M (56aae1) — 2/2/2015 @ 11:58 amBye, Perry
JD (86a5eb) — 2/2/2015 @ 12:22 pm“Well it’s been a month since I had a toke
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/2/2015 @ 1:16 pmOr a dime to make a call
‘Cause it passed me up, or it passed me by,
Or I couldn’t decide at all
And I’m mixed up, I’m so mixed up
Don’t you know I’m lonely
And I wish the world would get offa my case
And get on one of its own”
“And if you give me
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/2/2015 @ 1:18 pmWeed, whites and wine
and ya show me a sign
I’ll be willin’ to be movin'”
Am I the only one here concerned about Jeb’s drug use?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:09 pmAm I the only one here concerned about Jeb’s drug use?
I’m concerned about current drug use, or even recent drug use. Youth is for being stupid.
For example, if Rand was still smoking pot, or Obama was smoking crack, I’d be concerned.
Kevin M (56aae1) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:14 pmYouth is for mistakes, especially if you’ve been sent away from your parents for high school the way Obama and Jeb were. That would make anyone insecure and drugs are a way of dealing with or escaping the feelings that go along with that. It also doesn’t mean someone will stay on drugs for the rest of their lives, which is why I wondered if Jeb used drugs in college.
But there are degrees of drug use. Obama seemed like a heavy user and Jeb may have been, too. Many people were concerned about Obama’s drug use and membership in the Choom Gang. So far, I don’t see much difference between what Obama did and what Jeb did.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:29 pmBeldar,
I think this was a planned leak/story by the Bush campaign. The article mentions Jeb’s school friends cooperated with the story and that one came back to the reporter to clarify Jeb was using but wasn’t dealing drugs. That suggests someone who is sympathetic to Jeb and cares about how this story makes him look. If that’s how he feels, I wonder if he would have cooperated without an okay from the Bush campaign.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:32 pmJeb Bush says if you’re having trouble getting a good hit of pot off your bong you should practice “holding your smoke” using regular cigarettes
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:34 pm“Am I the only one here concerned about Jeb’s drug use?”
DRJ – Based on my exposure to Phillips Academy during the years in question, my guess would be only a minority of students there had not experimented with drugs and alcohol.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:53 pmThat’s supposed to make me feel better about Jeb or worse about elite institutions?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:56 pm“Everybody did it” sounds like something that would be very popular inside the Beltway. I know those are the people who have been running the government up to now. It’s not working.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/2/2015 @ 2:59 pm== I don’t see much difference between what Obama did and what Jeb did.==
I want to see actual pictures of Jeb before I decide! Did Jeb wear a silly hat?
https://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/obama_smoking_joint.jpg
elissa (dcf2ac) — 2/2/2015 @ 3:00 pmRand Paul went Full Jenny McCarthy today
what a loser
done.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/2/2015 @ 3:15 pm“That’s supposed to make me feel better about Jeb or worse about elite institutions?”
DRJ – Just a commentary on the times. Elite boarding schools like Phillips Academy are in many ways like college four years yearly. Kids are away from the scrutiny of mom and dad and at places like Phillips likely to have a bunch of disposable income. Not very tough to guess what mischief they might get up to.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/2/2015 @ 3:36 pmThe article stressed that Bush changed and matured after he met Columba and fell in love. However, there is an interesting story out there from John LeBoutillier, former U.S. Congressman from NY, had a friend who was Bush’s classmate at Andover who claims it was well known that Bush and “one other fellow student back then ran an illegal drug and liquor distributorship on the Andover campus. When the heat started coming down, Bush ratted out the partner to the school authorities and saved his own skin. Jeb got away with it, was never caught, never punished, graduated unscathed and went on to the University of Texas at Austin.” We can’t know the veracity of the story, but given what the Globe dug up, it doesn’t sound unreasonable at all. Also, if the Bush camp controlled this story and its release, they certainly would not have wanted this classmate to disavow Bush or spill such unbecoming beans that contradict Peter Tibbett’s historical remembrance of Bush and his drug use.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:27 pmwe know with 99.995% certainty that Mr. Governor Scott Walker wasn’t a sleazy drug dealer
he’s from a good family, not a sleazy bushfilth one what sent their drug-addict kids away to be raised by strangers
happyfeet (831175) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:34 pmI really don’t care about Jeb or Rand, I have my own problems. Mike Huckabee says I might as well be gay what with the drinking and using profanity. What are the rents like in San Francisco these days?
nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:39 pmBut there are degrees of drug use. Obama seemed like a heavy user and Jeb may have been, too. Many people were concerned about Obama’s drug use and membership in the Choom Gang. So far, I don’t see much difference between what Obama did and what Jeb did.
I think there’s a difference between smoking grass, like Bush, and snorting coke, like Obama. These two drugs are not equal. And the effects of them are not equal either. While it doesn’t sound like either were just casual drug users, there is nothing to suggest that Bush did anything more than marijuana or hash.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:39 pmI would add that most people in college smoked some grass and drank too much. I don’t think that’s true of snorting coke. But perhaps this is just splitting hairs. Clearly, Bush was a mess during his Andover years.
Oh, nk, Huckabee just thinks everyone should walk on water like he does. Meh.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:41 pmre #86: nk, you asked ergo you can not afford it.
seeRpea (9a7f2e) — 2/2/2015 @ 6:16 pm58. “A fluff”
And not particularly likeable either.
DNF (fc27ea) — 2/2/2015 @ 8:37 pmRand Paul would do better not making such a juvenile argument. But I’m afraid he can’t; it’s part of being a Libertarian.
And he is making a juvenile argument. Say, for example, and I’m not saying this happened, as a teenager I opened up my ’68 Dodge Charger with the 440 Police engine (the 440 Magnum, but with the fully forged NASCAR bottom end) on a public highway just to see what it would do. And found out it would do 140mph. And the fact that I could barely keep it on the road even though I was straddling the center line still wasn’t enough to make it dawn on me to stop.
Now that I’m in my 50s am I a hypocrite for agreeing that kind of speed is illegal for a ton of really good reasons that just might not occur to an 18y.o.? Hell no!
I’ll think about voting for Rand Paul when he grows up.
Steve57 (8d38a0) — 2/2/2015 @ 10:17 pmWe have an update on which of the GOP presidential candidates cop to smoking pot as yoots and which deny it and which aren’t saying!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938198/Top-Republican-contender-Ted-Cruz-foolishly-experimented-marijuana-campaign-admits-Bush-confesses-high-school-pot-use.html
elissa (f2f65b) — 2/3/2015 @ 4:30 pm86. nk (dbc370) — 2/2/2015 @ 5:39 pm
To actually answer the question, it depends on whether you are grandfathered in or not.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-francisco-oakland/361561-rent-controlled-apartment-new-tenants.html
For more:
http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html
http://blog.livelovely.com/2014/10/13/renters-need-know-rent-control-san-francisco/
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/3/2015 @ 5:11 pmNo Schmidt, MacKinnon, Wallace or Wilson among them:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/scott-walker-2016-campaign-hires/index.html
DNF (712cbd) — 2/4/2015 @ 6:08 am