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1/14/2015

Duke University To Now Give Weekly Call to Prayers For Muslim Students (UPDATE)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:48 pm



[guest post by Dana]

“The Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset” – Barack Obama

Duke University announced today that they will be broadcasting the calls to prayers for Muslim students on Fridays:

A weekly call to prayer for Muslims will be heard at Duke University starting Friday, school officials said.

Members of the Duke Muslim Students Association will chant the call, known as adhan or azan, from the Duke Chapel bell tower each Friday at 1 p.m. The call to prayer will last about three minutes and be “moderately amplified,” officials said in a statement Tuesday.

“The adhan is the call to prayer that brings Muslims back to their purpose in life, which is to worship God, and serves as a reminder to serve our brothers and sisters in humanity,” said Imam Adeel Zeb, Muslim chaplain at Duke. “The collective Muslim community is truly grateful and excited about Duke’s intentionality toward religious and cultural diversity.”

Explaining their decision, Christy Lohr Sapp, Associate Dean for Religious Life:

This opportunity represents a larger commitment to religious pluralism that is at the heart of Duke’s mission. It connects the university to national trends in religious accommodation.

In 2004, Duke University President Broadhead to Dr. Phyllis Chesler in response to her challenging his decision to allow the Palestinian Solidarity Movement to hold its annual conference on campus:

“All ideas are not equal, but it is a foundational principle of American life that all ideas should have an equal opportunity to be expressed. Universities, in particular, must give wide latitude to free speech and free debate because the pursuit of truth through the encounter of divergent points of view is the very stuff of education. When universities get in the business of suppressing speech, however vile, it lends credence to the notion that it is a legitimate function of the university to suppress speech. A notion is thereby validated that then can be activated on another occasion-perhaps to suppress our own dissent or unpopular expression. The day we start making it easy to shut down others’ opinions is the day we license a curtailment of freedom from which we could each suffer in our turn.”

No bias, no judgment, we welcome everyone. Except when we don’t: In 2014, the university named anti-Israel Omid Safi as Director of the Duke Islamic Studies Center (DISC); then there was the bigoted and disgraceful presumptions of guilt by the the faculty and university president Richard Brodhead during the Duke lacrosse scandal; and the LGBT bigotry toward gay-hating-Chick-Fil-A and simultaneous anger at the university’s right-wing-Federalist Society for serving the restaurant’s products at campus events.

–Dana

Update: Duke University reverses its decision on the Muslim call to prayer:

In the face of mounting controversy, Duke University reversed itself Thursday afternoon and announced it will not allow a Muslim call to prayer from its iconic chapel Friday.

Apparently, the complaints at Duke University’s Facebook page were numerous.

A Duke administrator had earlier touted the move as a way to promote religious inclusiveness at the school. But the university received hundreds of calls and emails, “many of which were quite vitriolic,” Schoenfeld said. “The level of vitriol in the responses was unlike any other controversy we have seen here in quite some time.”

There also were security concerns, Schoenfeld added.

Time will tell if this is the last word on the matter.

82 Responses to “Duke University To Now Give Weekly Call to Prayers For Muslim Students (UPDATE)”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Sadly, when some crazy goes off and kills a student on campus we will get calls for tolerance and told not to worry about the growing levels of fanaticism even on campus.

    Rodney King's Spirit (69985e)

  3. … and upon further reflection I am not sure that Sharia could be any worse at our “elite” institutions than liberalism. At least our kids would not graduate addicted to drugs and have more sexual experiences than a Valley trollop doing porn 3 times per week. Toss up to me sadly.

    Rodney King's Spirit (69985e)

  4. You guys all went to these cool colleges with sex galore, drugs, and crazed fanatics, and I didn’t even know about them. I’m jealous.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Down the primrose path we go.

    At least we have had fair warning. I don’t think this will stand.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  6. Somebody at Duke should be able to claim they’re offended by this if they have big enough balls.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  7. i’ve got $5 that says NONE of the usual atheist groups nor the ACLU will file suit to stop this…

    any takers?

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  8. If it would bring them back to the middle east I would recommend broadcasting it from evey house, college, public building and church 24 hours a day until they are all home.

    Jim (84e66d)

  9. It connects the university to national trends in religious accommodation.

    does this mean that Duke will allow the installation of a Nativity scene on campus next Christmas, a menorah during Hanukkah, maybe even an Easter Sunrise service, or are those different somehow?

    more in keeping with the Moose Slime “Call to Jihad” on a routine basis, they should start playing the the Angelus Bells too?… you know, to be accommodating.

    😎

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  10. ignore the last “?”…

    that’s what i get for being s*ber when i post here.

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  11. Unlike the black civil rights movement, Muslims aren’t asking for a place on the bus. They want their own freakin’ bus.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  12. That’ll learn you, red.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  13. I’m a bit hazy. Perhaps someone from the “all religions are the same” crowd can recite the history of Buddhists demanding prayer rooms at University back in the ’50s.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  14. Aren’t they just saying in Arabic: “Asses ups, Heads down”?

    They could turn it into a protest chant.

    Wait’ll those college kids find out they have to do that 5 times a day.

    That’ll put a crimp in the conversion rate.

    “Dad, I need some money for the Jizya this quarter.”

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  15. Mr rocks wrote:

    Somebody at Duke should be able to claim they’re offended by this if they have big enough balls.

    He will need them, because the claim of offense will lead to the opposite claim, that the first complainant is prejudiced against Muslims, and is expressing that prejudice publicly, thus creating a hostile study and work environment.

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  16. Isn’t Duke a private university?

    nk (dbc370)

  17. Yes, it is. Founded by Methodists and Quakers, and endowed by the current commissioner of the IRS.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. No doubt Duke will also authorize catholic students to ring bells and call for prayer at Matins, Trece, Sext, None, Vespers, Compline and Midnight Prayer.

    And if the bastards don’t I hope we sue them into oblivion.

    Fred Z (55a91c)

  19. Somebody at Duke should be able to claim they’re offended by this if they have big enough balls.

    The only way that would work is if the complainant were a gay atheist.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  20. And the correct and perfectly legal answer to that would be, “Then get the f*** out”. Duke is a private university. Like Brigham Young. And Loyola. And Yeshiva.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. Duke’s chapel bears a Methodist invocation. How apropos.

    DNF (846224)

  22. 7. Surpassingly excellent, wish I’d written that.

    DNF (846224)

  23. So anyone want to bet someone taps into the speaker wiring and plays the sounds of squealing pigs instead?

    rorschach256 (61bf43)

  24. rorschach256 wrote:

    So anyone want to bet someone taps into the speaker wiring and plays the sounds of squealing pigs instead?

    You’re giving them ideas, you h8ful h8ey h8er! I denounce you!

    The highly offended Dana (f6a568)

  25. rorschach256 wrote:

    So anyone want to bet someone taps into the speaker wiring and plays the sounds of squealing pigs instead?

    Make it so.

    Jean-Luc Picard (f6a568)

  26. You don’t think the PA system has always been there and all kinds of things have been played on it?

    nk (dbc370)

  27. If anyone has ever made a pig squealing sound over that public address speaker, then it wouldn’t be halal, and couldn’t be used. 🙂

    The amused Dana (f6a568)

  28. I’m having trouble getting verklempt about this. As Dana pointed out, Duke has its activists and some political PC hysterics among its faculty as do many universities and that is a worry. I’ve seen nothing, though, to suggest that the University has suppressed or is suppressing other religions or any religious activity in its move to make room for the once a week 3 minute Muslim call to prayer. Has it? All indications seem to be that the university has a rather healthy and thriving, participatory, and accepting-of-religion atmosphere which is more than can be said for many campuses these days.

    Duke Chapel will hold four Christmas Eve worship services, including a live, statewide telecast of the final service…..”Christmas is about comforting traditions — crèches, hymns, gifts, family meals. But it is also about surprises — a virgin gives birth, a baby threatens a king, God descends to humankind,” Powery said. “My hope is that God’s presence be as near to us this season as it was in the manger of a baby boy thousands of years ago.”

    The final service will be broadcast live in most parts of the state on Time Warner Cable (TWC) News, channels 14 or 200, beginning at 11 p.m. “Time Warner Cable News North Carolina is proud to continue its tradition of providing viewers across North Carolina with a live telecast of Duke Chapel’s Christmas Eve church service,” said Bernie Han, TWC’s vice president of news. “It’s important to us that everyone have access to the service as they celebrate the holiday season.”

    http://today.duke.edu/2014/12/chapelchristmas

    Jewish Life at Duke celebrates Shabbat each Friday night that classes are in session and welcomes all members of the Duke community to join us!

    Please register for dinner before 5pm each Thursday so that we can prepare enough home-cooked food for everyone to enjoy and have enough time to accommodate special dietary needs. Shabbat dinner from Jewish Life at Duke is always free to Duke students thanks to the generosity of the Benenson family.

    On certain Friday nights, Jewish Life at Duke runs an alternative Shabbat opportunity. Shabbat-To-Go gives students a unique opportunity to host a Shabbat meal in a space that is comfortable to them. …In recent years, we have held Israel Shabbat, Rainbow Shabbat, Superbowl Shabbat, Shabbat 101, Shabbat in K-Ville, Shabbat To Go and many more!

    http://studentaffairs.duke.edu/jewishlife/shabbat-and-holidays

    elissa (749b7f)

  29. chick-fil-a yum

    their breakfasts are way more tastier than mcdonald’s we should have a weekly call to chick-fil-a

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  30. #24: saw that link at AoSHQ, just hadn’t followed it yet…but i agree, and no, i’m not helping save them from themselves.

    every so often, i’ll make a comment at a public meeting, pointing out a bit of common sense & sanity that gives a majority of the audience, on both sides of the mike, a case of the vapors, only to have someone sidle up to me afterwards saying “good for you” or something like that. (they are often amazed that anyone would actually speak heresy to power)

    at that time, to steal a phrase, i recognize a kindred soul, both of us bobbing along, alone & unappreciated, in a sea of fools.

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  31. The question becomes, are conservatives the ones to clean up the mess and will we even care.

    I like Stephen Miller’s essay because it points out in particular how the most dysfunctional aspects and communities of this society are drenched with liberalism and liberals. I’ve been in conversations with people of the left in the past, and when they put on their air of superiority (“we’re so sophisticated, worldly and cool!”) and belief that they (unlike their ideological opposites) monopolize compassion, I cite the paradigm of Detroit, Michigan or, for that matter, Venezuela, etc.

    However, I never mention the theory that liberalism is a form of mental illness. But it can be said that the urban dystopias full of deranged homeless people wandering about do happen to be, again, dominated by liberalism and liberals.

    Mark (c160ec)

  32. nk and offended Dana–the “public address loud speaker” is at the top of the bell tower of Duke Chapel.

    elissa (749b7f)

  33. Yes , elissa. Notwithstanding Islam’s 1400 year war against Christianity nor it’s desire to wipe Judaism off the face of the earth, having the call to prayer at Duke truly shows the wonderful, liberal diversification of Duke University. I mean, just because Duke was established as a Christian college it should in no way stop them from kissing moslem butts.

    Perhaps the school could build feet washing stations around the campus, open a halal cafeteria and erect a mosque next to the chapel. Even offer a class in jihadi studies.

    They are bringing the enemy into the castle and making them comfortable. I just don’t understand Americans any longer. We never had a problem identifying our enemies before nor did we have a problem dealing with them. I guess the last 60 years of leftist PC propaganda has turned even conservatives into pabulum.

    And to keshevi’s dismay, I’m a 32nd degree Mason and a Knights Templar and have read tons about Islam, moslems, Mohammad and what they stand for. You enablers/tolerators and this country are in for a rude awakening.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  34. rorschach256 wrote: So anyone want to bet someone taps into the speaker wiring and plays the sounds of squealing pigs instead?

    Make it so.

    LOL.

    Mark (c160ec)

  35. Sigh. The timing is superb, isn’t it?

    This is what happens when the officious student government types from high school are put in charge of universities.

    Or the US government.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  36. I guess the last 60 years of leftist PC propaganda has turned even conservatives into pabulum.

    It’s a regrettable aspect of human nature I’ve been observing for the past several decades. It springs forth from a desire to be nice-nice, loving-loving, hugs-hugs, to get pats on the head by “mommy” (ie, the warm promises symbolized by the left) and to keep a wary distance from boring old, stern “daddy” (ie, the fuddy-duddy strictures symbolized by the right).

    Mark (c160ec)

  37. I stand second to no one in being able to get my undies in a bunch. This thread just isn’t one of those times. Hope that’s Ok with anybody who sees things differently about this, today. Notice, I’m not trying to change anybody’s mind or counter-argue.

    elissa (749b7f)

  38. Yes, Mark. It’s as if the Christians and Jews around the world and in the United States have completely lost all sense of history or the ability to understand human nature. Islam is not a religion. Islam is a cult of conquest shrouded in a religious camouflage. And these fools are buying it. Another 20 dead? Nothin’ to see here, it’s the religion of peace…move along. Once again just “a few hard line radicals” nothin’ having to do with Islam here.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  39. it’s a private university for ivy league trash types

    they can do whatever they want

    and don’t they know it

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  40. Perhaps the school could build feet washing stations around the campus, open a halal cafeteria and erect a mosque next to the chapel.

    why not just revert the chapel into a mosque and be done with it?

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  41. I can understand that, elissa. All I’m saying is the cat lady didn’t begin with 200 cats. The moslems are slowly, ever so slowly moving in on our country, schools, institutions, politics etcetera and some day you’ll wake to realize you’re out voted. Then that “Shining city on a hill” will become another sh!thole like Iraq.

    There is something with the liberal mind that draws it to anything bad for America like a moth to a flame. Be it economics, education, money, religion, sexuality, life and death and now Islam. If it will eventually harm America, they’re for it.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  42. I don’t know where you folks live but I live in a Philly suburb. My wife has a salon/spa in Center City so once or twice a week I’m obliged to drive down Broad Street to go there. Between York Rd. ( North Broad) to Ridge Ave. where I turn there are 30 churches and two Jewish temples. They have been there all my life. At last count 14 churches were closed. Boarded up. Abandoned. One temple is now a day care. Strangely, seven new mosques have appeared. And up and down Broad Street stroll back burka ladies and men in sheets with little caps. It’ like a bazaar in Morocco. Sorry folks, but that ain’t America.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  43. There’s nothing to stop students from singing “Allahu akhbar” or whatever before their prayer sessions. But I do have a problem with the university providing their bell tower for an official Muslim call to prayer. I’m sure the bell tower has been used to announce a Christian service. But my problem with the Muslim call to prayer isn’t that it’s not Christian, or even that it’s a Muslim practice. There is a doctrine, common in Islam (although not in the Koran or Hadiths) that the world is divided between the Land of Islam and the Land of War, and that once any land is Muslim, it must remain Muslim. There are disagreements about what makes a land part of the Land of Islam, but some believe that a land is and must remain Islamic if it has heard the Adhan, or call to prayer. So to concede that Muslims can make the call to prayer from your tower may be seen as conceding that the area within earshot is itself Muslim.

    Similarly, I’d have no problem with my children being taught about various world religions in school. However, some of these classes have reportedly had the children learn and recite the Shahadah, the Muslim declaration of faith (“There is no god but God, and Muhammad is his prophet”). And in Islam, the power of words is taken even more seriously than in Christianity, such that reciting the Shahadah is actually analogous to baptism. Orthodox Muslims believe anyone who says it is now a Muslim (and thus subject to harsh laws on apostasy). So I would be at least as outraged about a teacher making my children say the Shahadah as I would be about a teacher forcing my children to undergo a baptism.

    David Pittelli (b77425)

  44. Hoagie, you are not only wrong, you are not even original. What you say has been said before, by another patriotic veteran of a war he volunteered for:

    Once, when passing through the inner City, I suddenly encountered a
    phenomenon in a long caftan and wearing black side-locks. My first
    thought was: Is this a Jew? They certainly did not have this appearance
    in Linz. I watched the man stealthily and cautiously; but the longer I
    gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the
    more the question shaped itself in my brain: Is this a German?
    …..
    Naturally I could no longer doubt that here there was not a question of
    Germans who happened to be of a different religion but rather that there
    was question of an entirely different people. For as soon as I began to
    investigate the matter and observe the Jews, then Vienna appeared to me
    in a different light. Wherever I now went I saw Jews, and the more I saw
    of them the more strikingly and clearly they stood out as a different
    people from the other citizens. Especially the Inner City and the
    district northwards from the Danube Canal swarmed with a people who,
    even in outer appearance, bore no similarity to the Germans.

    But any indecision which I may still have felt about that point was
    finally removed by the activities of a certain section of the Jews
    themselves. A great movement, called Zionism, arose among them. Its aim
    was to assert the national character of Judaism, and the movement was
    strongly represented in Vienna.

    To outward appearances it seemed as if only one group of Jews championed
    this movement, while the great majority disapproved of it, or even
    repudiated it. But an investigation of the situation showed that those
    outward appearances were purposely misleading. These outward appearances
    emerged from a mist of theories which had been produced for reasons of
    expediency, if not for purposes of downright deception. For that part of
    Jewry which was styled Liberal did not disown the Zionists as if they
    were not members of their race but rather as brother Jews who publicly
    professed their faith in an unpractical way, so as to create a danger
    for Jewry itself.

    Thus there was no real rift in their internal solidarity.

    This fictitious conflict between the Zionists and the Liberal Jews soon
    disgusted me; for it was false through and through and in direct
    contradiction to the moral dignity and immaculate character on which
    that race had always prided itself.

    Cleanliness, whether moral or of another kind, had its own peculiar
    meaning for these people. That they were water-shy was obvious on
    looking at them and, unfortunately, very often also when not looking at
    them at all. The odour of those people in caftans often used to make me
    feel ill. Beyond that there were the unkempt clothes and the ignoble
    exterior.

    All these details were certainly not attractive; but the revolting
    feature was that beneath their unclean exterior one suddenly perceived
    the moral mildew of the chosen race.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. Duke is a private university, so they can do whatever they want as far as I am concerned.

    Howsomeever, Duke has agreed to a once-a-week adhan; the actual Muslim call to prayer is done five times a day. It seems to me that Duke has shortchanged the Muslims 34 calls per week!

    If Duke is going to concede on the once-a-week adhan, doesn’t that mean that there will be Muslim students offended and outraged that the real points of their religion are being trampled upon 34 times a week; shouldn’t Duke, therefore, allow the calls five times a day, every day?

    The Dana who can count (f6a568)

  46. Will they also ring church bells on Sunday morning to call people to church?

    Hangtown Bob (352813)

  47. Thank you, nk.

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  48. Maybe the university mascot was a tipoff.

    crazy (cde091)

  49. “I’ve seen nothing, though, to suggest that the University has suppressed or is suppressing other religions or any religious activity in its move to make room for the once a week 3 minute Muslim call to prayer.”

    Elissa – I spent time searching last night to see if this represented some special form of treatment by Duke of Muslim given the suppression of religion we have seen on other places, even private college, where the question is equality of treatment and whether the school is following its own published standards. I did not noted the removal of crosses from places of worship, denial of student funding for student religious groups who refuse to make leadership positions available to nonreligious students and other BS that other colleges have been pulling around the country and FIRE has not had significant problems with their speech code in the past couple of years.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  50. ==Will they also ring church bells on Sunday morning to call people to church?==

    Yes.

    In the tower of Duke Chapel is a 50-bell carillon, played on weekdays at 5:00 p.m. and before and after Sunday worship services and special events.

    The University Carillonneur begins the 5:00 p.m. recitals by ringing the hour on the largest bell. For holidays or other public occasions, the programs often feature selections appropriate to the day.

    http://chapel.duke.edu/worship/music/carillon

    elissa (749b7f)

  51. In the tower of Duke Chapel is a 50-bell carillon, played on weekdays at 5:00 p.m. and before and after Sunday worship services and special events.

    Do they just ring the bells or do they do actual hymns with the bells? What if mainline Protestant Christian students wanted to bells/chimes to do “Faith of our Fathers,” “Blessed Assurance” or something innocuous like “For the Beauty of the Earth” on a regular, non-holiday basis?

    MikeHs (03abc5)

  52. Robert E. Lee is one of the statues on one side of the main entrance arch. How horrible!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. I guess they’ll need to replace that cross on their shield with a crescent.

    Roux (f5b497)

  54. …Members of the Duke Muslim Students Association will chant the call…

    The problem is that Duke is dealing with the MSA as if it’s just an ordinary student group. It isn’t. It’s a Muslim Brotherhood front group. As a matter of fact according to the evidence entered into the record of the Holyland Foundation trial it is the oldest North American MB front group. And it has one mission; to recruit Muslims into the Brotherhood.

    You aren’t going to find that clearly spelled out in the English language version of their mission, vision, and guiding principles. But whatever passes for the English language version of their mission, vision, and guiding principles is intended to fool the gullible kufar. They couldn’t be clearer about their intent, and their contempt for us stupid westerners, in Arabic.

    Some of their notable members include Anwar al Awlaki. He was president of the MSA at Colorado State back in his student days. One of the “DC five” was Ramy Zamzam. He was convicted in Pakistan in 2010 on an attempted terrorism charge.

    He was the president of the Washington DC chapter of the MSA. I find that interesting because Huma Abedin, Hillary!’s confidant, was a board member of the MSA at George Washington University. She also worked at the journal for the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs. Which is a like-minded institute similar to the MB’s MSA. It’s purpose, too, is to isolate Muslims living in western societies and see to it that they don’t assimilate.

    But I digress. The point is that the MSA doesn’t produce people like Awlaki or Zamzan by accident. It’s their goal to produce people like Awlaki and Zamzan. Or to seek them out. The list of convicted or known Muslim terrorists is full of university or national presidents of the MSA. They don’t always go by the name “Muslim Student Association.” Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the Christmas day bomber, was president of the student Islamic Society during his time at University College in London. Here’s a blurb from his wikipedia page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab#Background

    …According to one of his cousins, as a teenager, Abdulmutallab became very pious as a Muslim, and detached himself from others of his age. He condemned his father’s banking profession as “immoral” and “un-Islamic” for charging interest, urging him to quit. “That kind of detachment from others and singular focus on Islam was a common thread in Mr. Abdulmutallab’s life, according to family members, friends and classmates.”…[

    I suppose I should begin the obligatory “not all Muslims are…” crap. But I won’t. Abdulmutallab’s own father dropped the dime on his own son, and last I checked senior was a Muslim. So my problem with Duke’s deal with the MSA is that they’re elevating an MB front group to some sort of official status as the representative of Muslim students. Which means my problem is the same as many Muslims. They’re appalled that the extremists can give themselves names like “Muslim Student Association” and the stupid kufar think it’s true! When in fact these MB front groups don’t represent, say, all Muslim students. In fact, very few.

    But that’s the campus group for them, or so the university administration has dictated.

    There are Muslim students who protest because they don’t want to be affiliated with an MB front group (and to be fair not all Muslims who join the MSA are aware of it’s true nature, and not all of them are recruited into the MB). But irony of ironies, the extremist group masquerading as a mainstream Muslim group gets away with calling its critics un-Islamic. Like Abdulmutallab called his dad. Like ISIS calls the people it executes in public.

    The problem isn’t that Duke is letting Muslims give the prayer call. The problem is that Duke made a deal with the MSA. There is a huge difference between Muslims generally and the Muslim Brotherhood in particular. Although I have to admit I haven’t always been too scrupulous about drawing that distinction myself. But my earlier comments about Muslims not wanting just to sit anywhere on the bus, but wanting their own bus, were directed at the MB. Not all Muslims want their own bus. In fact, there are a lot of Muslims who don’t want to ride on the MB’s bus. Think of Egypt, and the MB’s torture chambers. In fact, think of al-Sissi. The MB had to beat people to death, like the Iranian mullahs, to force people onto their bus.

    Duke made a deal with the devil. So what if the terms of the deal aren’t all that offensive, yet.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  55. Duke blinks…

    redc1c4 (a6e73d)

  56. That’s cool, too. Now, I’m even more super glad I didn’t get my blood pressure all uppy over this. I hope everybody’s feeling better now.

    elissa (749b7f)

  57. And they were going to do the call to prayer from the cathedral!

    Victory for radical Islam without a shot being fired.

    Thank goodness they listened to the side that favors Western civilization, which since Paris seems to have found its voice.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  58. Except that they are now emboldened. Others will weaken and the Muzzies are without relent. They have a 1000 year plan, we have attention deficit…wait, what were we talking about.

    Gazzer (c44509)

  59. The prayer call wasn’t worth getting upset about. But that doesn’t mean Duke should be dealing with the MSA as if it’s an entity worthy of respect. The UAE knows its MB front groups; they recently listed CAIR as a terrorist organization.

    http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2008/10/fbi-cair-is-a-front-group-and.html/

    …FBI Special Agent Lara Burns was going over more transcripts from the Philadelphia meeting — the 1993 gathering of Holy Land officials and Hamas sympathizers that the government contends was meant to brainstorm ways to downplay the Foundation’s extremist ties — when talk turned to a passage from defendant Shukri Abu Baker.

    He is quoted on the wiretap transcript talking about how it would be beneficial to have more traditional, secular American organizations to help spread the Islamist message.

    He and others envisioned an “alternative” organization “which can benefit from a new atmosphere, one whose Islamic hue is not very conspicuous,” he said according to the transcript.

    Prosecutor Barry Jonas asked Burns whether any groups formed after the Philadelphia gathering fit this mold. “CAIR,” she said.

    CAIR is one of about 300 unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land case, and testimony has shown that its founder, Omar Ahmad, and current executive director, Nihad Awad, both participated in the Philadelphia meeting…

    All MB front groups need to be considered terrorist organizations. And the MSA is one such group; it is a veritable terrorist factory. I could have named more names. But the guys I named were not fringe members of the MSA. They were chapter presidents, and their beliefs are exactly in line with what the MB espouses.

    Duke should kick the MSA off campus. All universities should. But they don’t want to be called Islamophobes. The very thought of it has them cowering in a corner, sucking their thumbs. So I’m realistic. Fraternities whose members never raped anybody will be kicked off campus before anybody deals with the MSA as it deserves to be treated.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  60. Of course, we have an administration that gave Ahmadinejad a tongue bath while he was having his goons kill protesters. We’re essentially allies of the Iranians in Iraq, and this crowd clearly has no issues with the Iranians’ bast@rd stepchild in Gaza. And they were on the wrong side in Egypt. So if they aren’t going to take open MB outfits seriously, I don’t expect them or anyone who thinks like the gaggle in the freshman dorm administration to take their “inconspicuously Islamic” front groups seriously either.

    I don’t know why the MB thinks it needs to go to any trouble to hide the real nature of these various front groups that it sets up. I don’t even know why the MB goes to the trouble of setting up front groups. It might as well drop the mask. It isn’t as if the left would have a problem if they were honest about who they are and what they’re after. The left would just call me names for pointing out the nasty truth.

    Steve57 (be0b5f)

  61. I’ve updated the post as Duke University has reversed its decision.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  62. I suspect Duke (and other universities) wouldn’t get near as many vitriolic contacts if they focused on educating their students, as opposed to inculcating students with PC cultural views.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  63. Oh, DRJ, if you could read my faculty listserve…

    The good news is that there are lots of faculty who don’t agree, but are nervous about speaking out. There is a “bully veto” going on.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  64. It was the right place
    But it was the wrong time

    I wonder if I profaned our church bell when I tolled death knoll for that schismatic JFK.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. It was the right place
    But it was the wrong time

    I wonder what the Methodist founders would have thought it was the right place.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  66. Duke has an endowment of $7 billion with a budget of $4.5 billion. It compares well with Harvard, Yale and Berkeley academically. Those things make it pretty resistant to outside pressure. That’s what I meant.

    As for Methodists, haven’t they always been kind of anti-establishment? The early ones sound like they were, anyway.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. “As for Methodists, haven’t they always been kind of anti-establishment? The early ones sound like they were, anyway.”

    Being anti-establishment does not make a good Methodist Christian pro-moslem. Puleeze!

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  68. The Christian denominations are fairly liberal today but I don’t think the Methodists were either liberal or anti-establishment in their early years. American Methodists began as outreach of the Church of England and its leader was a supporter of the British during the Revolutionary War. The next issue to split the church was during the 1800’s, when Duke was established, and the issue of slavery.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  69. What is that post #46 supposed to mean, nk? Another personal insult of some sort because I refuse to kowtow to your moslem buddies? Who were you quoting? Can’t be anyone reputable since you make me akin to a Jew hater, which I’m not. Just so you know nk, my first wife was a Jew. She passed away from cancer in the 90’s. My current wife is South Korean so if you’re somehow equating me with some racist I suggest you stop now before you make a complete fool of yourself.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  70. Oh, and BTW my wife is Buddhist.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  71. United Meths are more ecumenical.

    Free Meths, not so much.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  72. yes, that was godwining, to the cube root, nk

    narciso (ee1f88)

  73. It’s from Mein Kampf, Hoagie. You don’t hate Jews or Buddhists. I believe you. That’s nice. You don’t see any similarity between what you say and what Hitler said? All you have to do is replace Jew with Muslim, Zionism with Islam, and German with American, and it’s pretty much your comments on this thread and on other threads. Down to their appearance. And to their place in Germany err I mean America.

    Godwin is an internet meme I do not follow, narciso. If the brown shirt fits ….

    nk (dbc370)

  74. I see nk. Thanks for the clarification. So because a nut job like Hitler said an offensive diatribe about a group of people who never harmed nor posed any threat to him, Germans or Germany I’m now like him because I believe moslems pose a clear threat to America. So you think because I see a problem you refuse to see, even as the bodies pile up, I am now a Nazi. I can’t go anywhere with that so I guess that’s it. That’s usually the way discussions end with leftists. Name calling, personal slander, assumptions, innuendos. Some things never change. I especially like your glib little childish: “If the brown shirt fits….”. Grow up.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  75. “Those things make it pretty resistant to outside pressure.”

    nk – The faculty is also very liberal and would typically resist outside pressure on politically correct moves like this and their prior outreach to Muslims described by Dana in the post. What they have trouble resisting is pressure from influential alumni.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  76. That was a good point about what makes an area “Muslim territory”.
    I think they did something at the National Cathedral,
    does that mean they think that all of the US is Muslim Territory now?

    Hoagie, when you drive into Philly down Old York Road you pass by about 2 blocks away from our house.
    Maybe we should meet for breakfast at the Oak Lane Diner…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  77. just as Beghal groomed the Kouachis

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/new-york-times-connects-dots

    narciso (ee1f88)

  78. You’re in Mt. Airy, Doc? Funny thing is since June is Korean we are frequently at Han ah rum market at Cheltenham Ave. and York. Just there this evening. Grabbed some kim-chee fixins’ for June and the girls. I haven’t been to the Oak Lane Diner in years. Pass it all the time. Sure, I’d love to break bread (or eat eggs) with you some time. If you don’t mind dining with a Nazi, that is. I had lunch a while back with The Dana of Many Names. Hellofa nice guy. Hube of Colossus of Rhodey fame was there too and believe it or not the old liberal Perry. That was before Perry got “radicalized”. But yeah, ask Patterico for my email I give him permission to give it to you. We’ll do it.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  79. BTW Doc. Are you familiar with Marco Polo restaurant at York and Church Rds.? Well, chef Lo the owner is a good friend and that’s where I proposed to Mrs. Hoagie 18 years ago.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  80. I have written Duke a lengthy email twice about adhan since the day before the proposed action but have had no reply except a little bit of form garbage about “diversity,” the stuff that has wrecked other universities in America. I hold an M.A. from Duke and advised the University that my wife and were withdrawing the six-figure amount we had willed to Duke. Her deceased father was also a graduate alumnus. There has been no response, even though I have been a regular contributor for decades and asked that a copy of my emails be sent to President Broadhead, a presumed incurable liberal. Dr. D. D. Hook

    Dr. D. D. Hook (076627)


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