‘Remind Me Again Why We Have a First Amendment’
[guest post by Dana]
Per the suggestion of the commentariat to add this as a post, commenter Walter Cronanty (whose name is a combination of Walter Duranty and Walter Cronkite, the most duplicitous and hypocritical purveyors of misinformation known to US journalism) brings us this in light of the Ross Douthat’s The Blasphemy We Need post this morning. Cronanty observes:
Note that the NYTs not only refuses to print the cartoons, it also is engaging in self-censorship lest the barbarians find offense. Note the disappearing paragraph after the NYTs sanitizes its copy:
Originally it read:“Sigolène Vinson, a freelancer who had decided to come in that morning to take part in the meeting, thought she would be killed when one of the men approached her.
Instead, she told French news media, the man said, “I’m not going to kill you because you’re a woman, we don’t kill women, but you must convert to Islam, read the Quran and cover yourself,” she recalled.”
Now it reads:
“Sigolène Vinson, a freelance journalist who had come in that morning to take part in the meeting, said that when the shooting started, she thought she would be killed.
Ms. Vinson said in an interview that she dropped to the floor and crawled down the hall to hide behind a partition, but one of the gunmen spotted her and grabbed her by the arm, pointing his gun at her head. Instead of pulling the trigger, though, he told her she would not be killed because she was a woman.
“Don’t be afraid, calm down, I won’t kill you,” the gunman told her in a steady voice, with a calm look in his eyes, she recalled. “You are a woman. But think about what you’re doing. It’s not right.””
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 1/8/2015 @ 6:47 pmthe second way they write it makes a nice contrast with evil, white American women-killers like that Santa Barbara guy or that guy that shot Gabby
muslim killers are way more merciful and progressive if you think about it
happyfeet (831175) — 1/8/2015 @ 6:51 pmThis is worthy of a post. Thanks, Dana.
At some point, the New York Times will have to stop publishing because virtually everything will be politically incorrect or offensive.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/8/2015 @ 6:58 pmMaybe they could call it the New York Fictional Times.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/8/2015 @ 6:59 pmIt’s amazing how a few well chosen words can change the entire tone of a story – even one so awful. I would love to hear a recording of precisely what was said. I don’t trust the NYT. No matter what version they are currently peddling
Dana (8e74ce) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:07 pmI dunno if anyone can publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons without blanking out whiskered swinging nuts having a go at the prophets a$$.
steveg (794291) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:08 pmThe other cartoons that had the prophets turban as a bomb with a fuse were tame and should have been published
The sory now reads:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/world/europe/survivors-retrace-a-scene-of-horror-at-charlie-hebdo.html
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:08 pmSo one of the gunman told another not to shoot women.
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:10 pmAt the risk of correcting my initial comment, note that I omitted the following which appeared at the end of Ms. Vinson’s quote in the original NYTs’ article: “After, she added, he left shouting, ‘Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar!’”
Clearly, as Howard Dean declared, the terrorists weren’t Muslims:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2015/01/07/howard-dean-dont-call-paris-shooters-muslim-terrorists
Makes you want to scream, no?
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:12 pm7. Wow, this story has more versions than a Joe Isuzu commercial. I wonder when Liz Alderman interviewed Ms. Vinson?
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:25 pmEventually the story will be about a kind man who asked a woman to please let him in the building so he could discuss religion with the people at work inside.
Dana (8e74ce) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:29 pmWell, I’ve been delightfully edumacated. I never understood the significance of “Walter Cronanty” before, but I agree with the sentiment.
Cronkite is like what we were talking about previously, that some things are not believed because they just seem too big and wild to be true. “Walter Cronkite spewing propaganda to weaken the US war effort?? Aww, c’mon, you must be crazy…he does that kid’s history show on Sat. am, everyone trusts Uncle Walter”.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:34 pm#11
…..and those nasty rude French people abused said kind man and drove him to kill them all due to the blatent insensitivity lol
Angelo (c5d205) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:40 pmWere there two gunmen or three gunmen?
Reading things over, I think there were only two gunmen. Only two entered the building. Where did they get the third? Was he supposed to be the driver?
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:47 pm11. Dana (8e74ce) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:29 pm
No, no, it wasn’t like that.
Corinne Ray, one of the cartoonists, had gone to get her daughter from kindergarten (which let out at 10:00?) and the child was with her. Some detail here may be wrong.
As they arrived back at the bulding, two – not three – masked gunmen threatened her and
the child. So she typed out the security code that unlocks the main door. They told her (after she let them in? Or even later?) that she tell the media they were from al Qaeda in Yemen.
One source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html
There was only policeman inside I think. Or if there were two, the other escaped, but was killed later in the street.
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/8/2015 @ 7:58 pmWho gives two f*ucks what the NY Times tells their simpletons.
Stop linking them, and they become irrelevant.
someguy (37038b) — 1/8/2015 @ 8:02 pmAt the end of the Daily Mail article:
Where did this third man come from? What was he doing while all this was going on? Was he real?
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/8/2015 @ 8:07 pmNo women, no kids. Direct attack at the “offenders”, not a collateral attack on innocent third parties. Very efficiently carried out. Clean getaway. Only speculation about the suspects. Hmm.
nk (dbc370) — 1/8/2015 @ 8:11 pmgood question: do we really need a First Amendment, or is stopping “hate speech” moar important?
redc1c4 (269d8e) — 1/9/2015 @ 12:04 amThe brpothers are now surrounded in a small office building. They were recognized after one pretended to be a policeman. Reportedly they wantto die rather than surrender. They were told by someone ‘get out of here. We don’t kill civilians.”
The third policeman killed is now being linked to the attack.
When they entered the building where the newspaper was, they fired in the lobby, but did not go where a neghboring offfice was on the same floor. They also first went to the wrong building according to one account. This would seem to say they weren’t there before, but they seemed to possess inside information, knowing an editorial meeting where all would be gathered together would take place at 10 am. Maybe.
The second policeman killed wa sone of those encountered outside. Yesterday there seemed to a slight difference in the newspaper accounts as to just where that was.
The citroen that was the getaway car crashed into another car driven by a female driver, and they carjacked another car. It was in that Citroen car that the ID document was found. It must have fallen out of a pocket, and they must have been in a rush. Earlier, one took time to put back on is shoe before getting into a car. I think earlier.
Media were really confused yesterday about whether there were two or three gunman. TRhe police made the phantom third man the driver of the gtetasway car.
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/9/2015 @ 3:59 amThe building is near the airport. Two runways are closed. They are reportedly holding one ostage.
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/9/2015 @ 4:04 am18. redc1c4 Thankfully, the proposed law discussed is so awful even leftists would oppose it [I think]. Note that at least one writer believes the story is satire – I hope he’s right:
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 1/9/2015 @ 4:47 amThat Crazy Story About Making ‘Hate Speech’ A Crime? Yeah, That’s Satire
The revised NYT article explains that Ms. Vinson told the Times that the statements about proselytizing that were attributed to her in other French language sources were not accurate.
upyernoz (959084) — 1/9/2015 @ 6:01 ami knew in my heart there’s no way they’d ever made those statements about proselytizing
they’re not animals
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/9/2015 @ 6:25 amthese ones aren’t as tiger beat though as the Boston guy
but I bet they’ll still look super-cute on their Rolling Stone cover
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/9/2015 @ 6:35 amBob Schieffer this morning on the radio said that this whole thing was eerily similar to
the Boston marathon bombing, and others have noted it.
In both cases you have two brothers who pulled off a terrorist attack and then went on the run with a massive police pursuit after them taht they can’t escape. And one brother had gone abroad for terrorist training.
A difference is that the younger Boston brotehr had no previous involvement with terrorismat all, but this one spent three years in jail. Also it was longer since the older brother went to a terrorism center (as far as we know – this may be wrong – maybe one or both were in Syria in 2014 I heard that too)
As for coming to the United States – the problem with them doing the same thing here, was that they couldn’t mail a Kalashnikov rifle to the United States, nor take it with them on a plane, even as baggage. And they didn’t speak English, which is a real handicap. Maybe Canada, but there is still the problem of getting the rifles here.
Sammy Finkelman (6b5229) — 1/9/2015 @ 7:30 amThat they, if they are in fact the “they”, are brothers is the only similarity to the Tsarnaevs. They were professional, well-equipped, well-trained, and experienced (they had to have killed before). They hit a specific target and not indiscriminately at innocent unknowns. They purposely refrained from killing women and children. This resembles a commando raid or a mob hit and not the usual terrorist attack.
nk (dbc370) — 1/9/2015 @ 7:36 amironic who is really getting the purpose of the first amendment:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/01/amedy-coulibaly-hayat-boumeddiene-kouachi-brothers-jewish-supermarket-hostage-charlie-hebdo/
narciso (ee1f88) — 1/9/2015 @ 7:40 amThe New York Post had the “We don’t kill women, but read the Koran” quote on its front page today.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/9/2015 @ 11:30 amYesterday, both the New York Post and the New York Daily News had the words “al Qaeda” in its front page headline, the New York Times had “terrorists” and the wall Street Journal had only “Gunmen”
Today the New York Post has “Paris killers” the Daily News has “Gunmen, the New York Times has “Al Qaeda Trained Paris Suspectm Official Says” and the Wall Street Journal has “Massacre Suspect Trained in Yemen/ U.S. ties Man Wanted in Paris Attack to Al Qaeda.”
They also reprotedly told a person whom they hijacked a car from that this was in retaliation for the mmurder of Anwar al-Awlaki.
Not for insulting Mohammed?
I think jihadists change their story to whatever looks most avoidable.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/9/2015 @ 11:35 am26. nk (dbc370) — 1/9/2015 @ 7:36 am
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/9/2015 @ 11:47 am