Patterico's Pontifications

Interesting to note that McClintock was not among those who voted “no” on the procedural vote. (Amash was.) If he had been, maybe the bill would not have reached the floor to begin with.

Patterico (9c670f) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:28 am

I don’t know about that. Let’s wait till March and see. Maybe the RINO’s are hearing the sounds of approaching rebellion and are making their last stand. Hopefully, in March the Republican Party will consolidate and identify themselves as the party of Life, Liberty, Low Taxes, Less Regulation and real economic freedom for blacks and other minorities enslaved by the depraved policies of the radical leftist demoncrats designed to “keep these n*****s voting Democrat for a hundred years” as LBJ so eloquently stated.

Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:32 am

Will all 67 of these brave bold souls vote to bring Boehnerpoofter’s corrupt and whorish tenure to a halt?

happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:50 am

Bait and switch,they name is Crying John Boehner. To hell with the Chamber of Commerce go along to get along GOP establishment.Go join with the Dems already and be done with it.

Bugg (3a2abd) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:53 am

I hope Elizabeth Warren blocks the bill in the Senate. That would be great.

Dejectedhead (ec3741) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:02 am

I don’t know if all 67 of these a55holes will vote Boner out but I’m sure a lot will. The Party must begin a new era of proposing positive American values to the voters. That’s the way to get moderates and blue collar Reagan Dems on our team. Hispanic illegals are the demoncrats “new” black constituency. They will throw all kinds of perks at Hispanics to replace the blacks they’re losing through abortion and blacks beginning to realize they’re being used and screwed by the dems.

Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:06 am

Fecking cowards.

SPQR (4764ea) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:07 am

BTW, I’m tired of Boner crying at the drop of a hat. He really needs to check his hormone levels. He may need shots.

Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:08 am

Boehner telegraphed this last year BEFORE the elections.

Wasn’t anyone paying attention?

I was. Didn’t vote for a one of them as I believed what they said

and knew they were going to capitulate on everything.

Remember everyone who was so amazed when Hitler did the stuff he did?

(yeah I know Godwin’s law alert but I’m not claiming equivalency only
similarity of action)

Anyway, everything Hitler did he wrote about and said he’d do in
Mein Kampf.

But nobody believed he was serious.

jakee308 (f0aa61) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:23 am

I have an idea …. let’s see what they DO with their majority. By 2016 we’ll know.

Meanwhile, start organizing at the local level, either to support the GOP or to run official Tea Party candidates. If you want the GOP to move in a certain way, you have to push. Everyone else does.

Spending the next two years cynically wailing about how they are doing it all wrong (or worse, GOING to do it all wrong) isn’t going to do a damn thing.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:24 am

i been practicing up on my wailing skills

happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:28 am

so they outspend us 10/1 that was the Clique’s buy in, they strangle an insurgent candidate, even if they have to commit fraud to do it, re Johnson’s earlier story about Mississippi, two Senator’s elect,
including Pryor’s replacement did vote against though,

narciso (ee1f88) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:30 am

“I don’t know if all 67 of these a55holes will vote Boner out but I’m sure a lot will.”

Umm, you realize these 67 voted against CROmnibus? Why are they holes?

Amazed-476 (78a5e8) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:30 am

That’s what I’m saying, Kevin M. Wailing and the gnashing of teeth isn’t helping anything. Calling, emailing and letting these clowns know we will no longer tolerate dem-lite as this country goes over the cliff is what we need to do. And stop letting these leftists set the narrative and get away with their lies. The Party must form a common Front (just like the left does) to fight their perverted policies.

Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:31 am

They’re holes because they’re pols, Amazed. If they weren’t holes they’d have a real job. Sorry, but I no longer have any tolerance for politicians at all. It’s just our holes are better than their holes….sometimes.

Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:34 am

And I don’t understand the cynicism … shutting the entire government down is a bad idea — it has never worked politically — when in March you can shut just the parts down that you care about. If you get 67 votes when it’s a bad idea, you should expect a LOT MORE votes when it’s a good one AND you have a Senate majority to force the issue. I just do not understand this despair.

Up to now (up to Jan 3rd, actually), the House has had only the blunt instrument of blocking any legislation. They could not pass anything when the Senate had the same power to block. That limits what you can do. In January they will have the votes to send legislation to Obama — that was hard enough to win — and they have some Democrats who may be willing to vote with them on some issues.

As to people who say it is too late and we have to DO SOMETHING, I say the thing to have done was to elect Romney. To those who say that Romney would have been no different, I have no words

(Wait. That’s not true, I have words, but I’ve chosen not to use them)

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:35 am

The Repubs are letting Barry set a precedent they hope to take advantage of. Besides without those immigrants who would cook, wash the dishes and bus the tables in all those upscale resturants?

f1guyus (647d76) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:41 am

It would be interesting to see an official Tea vs GOP Congressional contest. Particularly in places you’re unlikely to elect (extra) Democrats. Louisiana. Jerrymandered California. Many districts in Texas or the Deep South. Etc.

Of course, this means that you would have to have an official “Tea Party” party. Until that happens, the threat to Boehner and such isn’t real.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:43 am

I will take bets at even odds that Obama’s immigration thing never sees the light of day. Congress won’t fund it in March. The courts will block it at every turn. Even the WaPo editorializes against it.. There will be enough votes in the House and Senate to override some vetoes on things that are political poison to the Dems. Like this.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:45 am

Congress won’t fund it in March.

It doesn’t need to be funded. It can only be un-funded. It’s the rest of the Department of Homeland Security that needs to be funded. The fact that doing nothing keeps this goinbg but causes the release of people from detention changes the dynamics.

Meanwhile the union is rebellious and one member os suing.

They want the discretion to be in the hands of individual agents, nor a matter of high policy.

The courts will block it at every turn. Even the WaPo editorializes against it.. There will be enough votes in the House and Senate to override some vetoes on things that are political poison to the Dems. Like this.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:54 am

“take bets at even odds that Obama’s immigration thing never sees the light of day.”

Someone is feeling hopeful.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:00 am

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:54 am The courts will block it at every turn. Even the WaPo editorializes against it..

The courts are not going to block anything.

There will be enough votes in the House and Senate to override some vetoes on things that are political poison to the Dems. Like this.

There will not be enough votes to pass anything undoing the president’s policy in the
first place.

And what is it to replaced with? Selection at random, or bribery of lower ranking CIS agents?

This the third rail for anyone no matter what position they take, and I think the side thatis against this loses more, once it becomes a fait accompli.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:10 am

In the meantime Congress has passed a bill – this bill we are talking about – requiring the non-enforcement of marijuana laws, when they conflict with the laws of a state, without bothering to actually repeal them when they conflict with the laws of a state.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2014/dec/10/budget_bill_curbs_federal_medica

The relevant section of the bill, Section 538, lists all the states that have some form of legalized medical marijuana and says, “None of the funds made available in this Act to the Department of Justice may be used… to prevent such States from implementing their own State laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.”

If the omnibus budget bill is approved, the spending curb could well halt several pending federal criminal cases, including the case of the Kettle Falls Five, who are being prosecuted in Washington, a state where not only medical but recreational marijuana is legal, for growing medical marijuana within state guidelines. It would also severely cramp the style of the DEA, which has conducted hundreds of over-the-top aggressive raids in medical marijuana states. And it could mark an end to numerous civil asset forfeiture cases brought by US Attorneys in California against dispensaries in Berkeley, Oakland, San Francisco, and Orange County….

Before it becomes law, the budget bill must now be approved by the full House and Senate and then signed into law by President Obama. Those congressional votes are expected later this week, and there is little likelihood the bill will be defeated or that President Obama would seek to veto it.

Non-enforcement, except in Washington, D.C. that is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/congresss-spending-bill-hypocritically-blocks-dcs-marijuana-initiative/2014/12/10/c90677f8-80b3-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:10 am

If the GOP won’t vote with its voters a month after an historic election, it won’t ever vote for them. The GOP is voting the Big Donor-Chamber of Commerce Party line, because that’s where the money is. The short-term answer is to fund Tea Party politicians, especially those who are already in office. The long-term answer is not to vote for any Republican who ignores the voters’ wishes. And the permanent solution, at least for Texas, is secession.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:11 am

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:35 am

when in March you can shut just the parts down that you care about.

No, no,

They can shut down everything except the part they acre about.

That’s funded by user fees.

They can change the law, but that requires Obama’s signature.

In January they will have the votes to send legislation to Obama — that was hard enough to win — and they have some Democrats who may be willing to vote with them on some issues.

There is the little matter of the Senate filibuster.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:15 am

It appears to me that this signals Boehner wants to rule “from the middle” at the expense of the farthest left dems and ignoring the conservatives.
if this is what he wants to do, I think 2016 will either see everything go back to the dems,
or a very serious primary challenge to Boehner and McConnell, I mean like someone hand-picked to move to their district/states 1 year before,
because if there is no seriousness about changing anything, but our managing the feds instead of letting them manage the feds

WE AREN’T INTERESTED!!!
(Yes, I was screaming, pardon me)

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:15 am

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:11 am

The long-term answer is not to vote for any Republican who ignores the voters’ wishes.

Split the Republican Party over this issue?

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:16 am

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:11 am
Order the “Port-a-Potty” and mark out spaces for tents in the back yard.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:17 am

I have been saying this is bigger than abortion and somewhere between the opposition to the Vietnam War and slavery.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:17 am

Lieawatha has more balls than boehner.
Warren 2016

mg (31009b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:17 am

If the only difference between the Dems and Repubs is that the Repubs are “going to hell in a hand basket” a little slower, then yes.

If there is no party that will stand for our integrity as a nation, which begins with enforceable borders, then we need a new party.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:19 am

Yes, Sammy, I’m willing to split the GOP over the issue of massive spending. As the last sentence of my comment shows, I’m willing to split the country.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:20 am

You’re always welcome, MD. Always.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:21 am

This is bigger than opposition to Vietnam. The hard core anti-war people were relatively few, many more people know we have to do something about our border, even if we want to let all those without criminal backgrounds (other than being here) stay.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:22 am

We’re all under FBI surveillance now, even if Boehner is in charge.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:22 am

I’d say you’re always welcome here, too DRJ, but why would you want to come???

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:23 am

The first state that goes for Independence will be my new home.

mg (31009b) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:24 am

They will betray you. There’s only 1 party in DC and it’s the party of centralized big government.

njrob (ea8fed) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:36 am

It will be interesting to see how quickly national monuments and parks are shut down if the Senate does not approve the Cromnibus.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:40 am

This is why I haven’t voted in 15 years. I’m a conservative and there’s just no one on the ballot who represents me.

I hear citizens in Monaco don’t pay taxes…

CrustyB (69f730) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:40 am

Yesterday, 67 House Republicans voted against their party and a bill crafted by their duplicitous party leadership. It was inspiring to see Republicans voting against their corrupt party elite. For them, voting against their party and with Democrats was a tough choice, but a moral one. Yesterday, by voting against their party, the interest of regular Americans almost won the day. That’s leadership in action.

The next time rank and file members of the Party – most of us – are asked to hold our collective noses and vote for a lesser of two evils candidate in the next national election, we should follow the lead of these brave and principled Congressmen. Until that day comes when we can, in clear conscience, vote against the John Boehners of our Party and for their Democratic opponents, we will always be a party of quislings.

That’s the only way this is ever going to work.

ThOR (130453) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:41 am

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=353708

narciso (ee1f88) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:48 am

Did you vote for Red Simms or Blue Simms? 12 seconds. Safe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7E9SS-X4YY

nk (dbc370) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:50 am

I’m with DRJ on this one, as I guess I always have been.

There are other things we can do. There are thousands of small businesses across the country that have memberships in the Chamber of Commerce. A first step would be to pressure individual small businesses across the country to drop their affiliation with the CofC. Although these small businesses have little impact on the CofC leadership, their membership in the Chamber legitimizes the organization. That should end.

Another step would be to circulate a “No New Taxes”–like pledge asking Republican congressional candidates to pledge to vote out the existing congressional leadership. Pressuring individual congressmen to make a clear and unequivocal statement on the issue of party leadership would be a useful lever.

The Vietnam War era transformation of the Democratic Party should serve as an example. Before the war, the Democrats were a party of corrupt centrists. That changed. Through anti-war activism, the party was captured by the left. Changing the Republican Party from within seems a far easier task than building a party from scratch, especially when Alinsky-like strategies are available to those of us on the right. If any of you have spent time with third party organization – I’ve flirted with the Libertarians – you understand what a dead end third parties can be.

In many ways, I think I’m more sanguine about the current situation than many of you. The playing field has changed. Just nine years ago, when Boehner became the Speaker of the House for the first time, the conservative blogosphere was in its infancy. It is now a mature and powerful force. It serves vital roles as an organizing tool and as the source of news and information. I now have places to turn on the internet to express my political views and learn from others. We’re half way there.

ThOR (130453) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:16 am

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:24 am

We don’t have to wait, we have four-years of past-performance to guide us.
We’re going to get phuqued, and there is no lube.

askeptic (efcf22) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:20 am

39. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/12/2014 @ 9:40 am

It will be interesting to see how quickly national monuments and parks are shut down if the Senate does not approve the Cromnibus.

It was worked out with Democratic Senate leadership!

Some of the provisions are probably theer because of Harry Reid.

It was the House Democtrats who opposed it.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:23 am

TX secession….I will fight on any line that “Colonel” DRJ is commanding.
(Rick did send you that commission, didn’t he?)

askeptic (efcf22) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:27 am

I’m pretty sure I’m done with voting.

Or I’ll go third party – the Tea Party should announce as a third party, grab as many Repubs as possible, then the Republican Party should just merge with the Democrats.

Roger Bournival (8b388c) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:29 am

Boehner is quite obviously in need of some of dat rectal rehydration.

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:33 am

So Patterico, when are you joining the revolutionary militia to overthrow the government? Or are you just going to complain and read libertarian sermons?

OmegaPaladin (a0e77e) — 12/12/2014 @ 11:06 am

Well folks that about does it. The Republican leadership did not even bother to FAKE putting up resistance. I for one am out. That is the last time I will bother voting for these idiots.

Everyone now needs to prepare for when this whole mess goes south. And I dont think that will take much longer at the rate we are going. They even made it harder to challenge incumbents in this bill to really twist the knife.

So toe the progressive line. Put your affairs in order out of their sight. And prepare for when things get really bad.

Mythx (777b48) — 12/12/2014 @ 11:45 am

See not all republicans are for sale just most of them!

mr republican (5afbf0) — 12/12/2014 @ 11:54 am

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/394531/gop-rep-house-leaders-made-false-promise-get-my-crucial-vote-joel-gehrke

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/12/2014 @ 12:06 pm

One more time: you are asking for a shutdown. You do understand this, right? That no bill restricting Obama’s amnesty moves would ever come to a vote under Reid?

SO if shutdown is Step One of your plan, why didn’t you get out front and explain how Steps Two and Three would lead to success? Or is this like Cruz’ grandstanding, as he admitted, with no plan at all to follow up?

A shutdown without a follow-up plan isn’t a strategy, it’s a tantrum, and it doesn’t ‘stop Obama’ in any way. The permitting and applications process under CIS is self-funded by the fees.

What’s the plan, Stan? No need to be coy, Roy.

Estragon (ada867) — 12/12/2014 @ 1:29 pm

this is why the revolt that led the Dark Times, ultimately happened, (the prologue to the Hunger Games), the notion that the franchise, is irrevelant to the real nature of public policy is being cemented,

narciso (ee1f88) — 12/12/2014 @ 1:47 pm

Plans are what brought us to this cliff.
No follow up plan would be a gift from GOD.

mg (31009b) — 12/12/2014 @ 1:53 pm

This is for askeptic.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 3:02 pm

democrats and establishment republicans support amnesty. tea baggers are out numbered!

mr republican (b15282) — 12/12/2014 @ 3:24 pm

Seek help, Perry.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 4:10 pm

What is Estragon babbling about a shut-down? Only person threatening to shut anything down was Lieawatha.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 4:12 pm

LET
IT
BURN

redc1c4 (2b3c9e) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:19 pm

yes yes

judicious applications of flame and immolation are warranted and after that there are these places like in east texas where you can buy fried catfish by the bucket

sometimes that’s all i want in the whole world is a bucket of fried catfish

but them is hard to come by in this oh so fallen of whirls

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:24 pm

They can shut down everything except the part they acre about.

That’s funded by user fees.

You must believe everything you read. No money can be spent without authorization. The current authorization allows them to spend user fess on certain things. They cannot, for example, spend them on crack and hookers. Further, each department appropriation contains lists of things that are demanded and forbidden.

The point you are making is one of those stupidly semantic points you seem to be fond of, but just make the discussion tedious for everyone else.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:27 pm

Lieawatha has more balls than boehner.
Warren 2016

Yeah, great. She would also have no problem with a military dictatorship of the left, or a one-party socialist state. At least Boehner believes that votes still matter, and writes pragmatic bills that pass his House. I’m frankly glad he isn’t into pointless gestures. YMMV.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:31 pm

This is why I haven’t voted in 15 years. I’m a conservative and there’s just no one on the ballot who represents me.

If you think there is no difference between what the Dems would do, unhindered, and what the GOP would do, unhindered, then you’ve completely lost the plot.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:33 pm

enlightening local chamber of commerce members about MY feelings being hurt will be fun…

mg (31009b) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:38 pm

Mr. M it’s just that it looks like the best case scenario anymore is stopping the socialist food stampers

that’s way different than handing the reigns to an ally of Meghan’s cowardwhore disgrace of a daddy or to some deranged lifeydoodle or to some random not even remotely mainstream weirdo like mitt romney

if you don’t fear Republicans unhindered then you’ve completely lost the plot I think but a lot of times at the start of the next episode they do a helpful recap, especially on shows what are tanking

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:38 pm

Yeah, I don’t get that part about Fauxahontas being a heroine to the right all of a sudden. Her objection to the bill was that it was too spendy? Too liberal causy? Or that it was not enough of either?

nk (dbc370) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:38 pm

What’s it look like looking up at boehners chin, Kevin m.?
Knees hurt yet?

mg (31009b) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:43 pm

Unhindered action by either party is a unicorn, and as such, don’t see how that is, in any way, an accurate metric.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:52 pm

mg – your rape buttsecks obsession is more than a little bit creepy.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:53 pm

it’s not a unicorn really it’s how we got obamacare

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 5:53 pm

Be of good cheer, happyfeet. 45 with sunshine, tomorrow. Nice, for December, all week. It bodes well for the whole rest of the winter in Chicago. The colder-to-warmer cycles we see in late November-December repeat themselves until March.

nk (dbc370) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:05 pm

NK.
Warren’s objection is the part which apparently gives the banksters carte blanche all over again. Or as I read somewhere, “Jamie Diamond was making calls on the Hill to get this passed.”

I would think that part resonated with you, seeing ultimately that is what started the Tea Party going.

kishnevi (42f316) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:08 pm

aren’t we kinda hoping for a cold winter to sop up some of the crude surplus

i know my roth is

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:11 pm

Link one, from HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/elizabeth-warren-david-vitter-wall-street_n_6317098.html

kishnevi (6b8fa6) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:15 pm

my congressman voted against the death star, teh Stupid Party picks some odd hills to defend, against regulation on govt backed derivatives, yet for gruber’s handiwork,

narciso (ee1f88) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:16 pm

Link two, from Mother Jones
(these were the first two Google threw at me)
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/spending-bill-wall-street-derivatives-elizabeth-warren

kishnevi (6b8fa6) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:16 pm

Unhindered action by either party is a unicorn, and as such, don’t see how that is, in any way, an accurate metric.

Yes, of course. But a lot of people here think that the GOP in Congress can do anything they want, but choose not to.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:23 pm

One good thing to come out of this bill: the ban on regular incandescent light bulbs is halted for now. I happen to like LED bulbs, and can see their value despite the high initial cost, but I still don’t want to force that on everyone. I’d make an awful statist.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:25 pm

they choose not to be principled

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:26 pm

Thank you, kishnevi. Yes, yes, it does resonate with me. Tarps are very useful when painting or to protect things from the weather but not when made out of dollar bills to cover bankers’ butts.

nk (dbc370) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:26 pm

The worst problem the GOP will have in the coming two years: the economy taking off as energy prices plummet. Watch Obama try to take credit. The GOP needs to shove Keystone XL up his ass so that everyone can see what side he’s on.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:27 pm

Is it not possible, Kevin M., to do a continuing resolution until the new congress is in session?

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/12/2014 @ 12:06 pm
yes, I heard that elsewhere, that on House member claims Boehner lied to him, otherwise he wouldn’t have voted the way he did.

Obama lied about abortion and ObamaCare to get that rep from Mich to vote for it, Boehner lies to get a Repub to vote for something to get it to pass.

The differences really are diminishing to me, once you can’t trust someone, you can’t trust ’em, and if you can’t trust ’em, who knows what they will do.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:34 pm

boehner is a deeply corrupt whore

i tried to explain this over and over again Mr. Dr.

R’s just don’t get it

happyfeet (831175) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:38 pm

Is it not possible, Kevin M., to do a continuing resolution until the new congress is in session?

Technically, you could do a lot of things. Practically? It wouldn’t pass the lame duck Senate or be signed into law. And, in the ensuing government shutdown, who do you think NBC, CBS, CNN and the other Dem spokespeople would blame. Further, it wouldn’t do any good since the new Congress can’t act that fast. That’s why the DHS bill is til March. If they don’t block the immigration crap then, though, I’ll be as pissed off as anyone.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:46 pm

Kevin M:

But a lot of people here think that the GOP in Congress can do anything they want, but choose not to.

I’m one of those people. I’m not so naïve as to think the GOP will get what it wants — in fact, I know it won’t because Obama will veto anything he doesn’t like.

This was a perfect opportunity to send a message to Obama and the nation that the last election meant something, and to offer legislation that represents the principles the voters support. The GOP leadership did both, but it was the opposite of the message and principles they were elected to send. Instead of offering legislation that Republicans could support and pass, it took Democratic votes to make this vote possible. It was Obama who said the message of the last election was Americans wanted bipartisan leadership, and we laughed at how clueless he was. The laugh is on us, but it’s the last time I’ll be fooled by the lying liars in Washington.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:48 pm

Yay Dave Brat.

SarahW (267b14) — 12/12/2014 @ 6:59 pm

Looks like Fauxahontas Warren wants to shutdown the government and deform babies through their mothers’ use of unsafe morning sickness pills.

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:16 pm

Nothing paints a better picture of a politician than the assassination of Julius Caesar. All of the conspirators had military experience; they all knew how to kill with one clean stab. But nobody wanted to deal that blow until they all had stabbed him and were all to blame. Will these 67 abstain when Boehner comes up to be voted for Speaker in January? Giving the Speakership to Pelosi. Who will be the first?

nk (dbc370) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:22 pm

You know the narrative from the MSM will be about the “principled stand” that Warren and others are taking if the Dems in the Senate refuse to pass the bill.
The Repubs need to realize they can try to ~~please~~ minimally po the MSM, or they can try to please the people that elected them. If they want to do the second, they need to learn how to communicate better with the public,
if they want to prove that elections don’t have consequences, only the editorial page of the NYT, I guess they have their chance.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:38 pm

Lovey-dovey, Boehner. You’re one big teary-eyed ninny.

I now do conclude that his notorious public crying jags are a window into his mind, and that window looks out onto a lot of hugs-hugs, sissy-kissy, squish-squish squishiness.

Just as liberals can be astonishingly racist or bigoted behind closed doors, conservatives can be surprisingly give-Nidal-Hasan-some-slack touchy-feely types in private.

Pathetic.

Mark (c160ec) — 12/12/2014 @ 8:04 pm

it took Democratic votes to make this vote possible.

Particularly in the Senate.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 10:41 pm

The problem isn’t Boehner. It’s a lack of leadership in the congressional party. Firing Boehner won’t help if there isn’t someone different enough to take over. In the Senate, there are a few people willing to take over, but the choice seems to be between steady-as-she-goes and the bull in the china shop. Cruz would get about 6 votes, fewer in a secret ballot. Sessions is probably the only real contender outside of the power structure.

I am not saying that there aren’t things that REALLY need to get done, just that I don’t think that trying to them all, today, is going to work. Doing counter-productive things to satisfy “principle” (we are talking about a broad-based party here, guys) won’t even fly in the caucus, let alone with the still-present opposition.

This wasn’t the fight to pick, nor the time to pick it. Keystone Xl, in early January would be a good first step. Nine surviving Dems voted for it already. We just need to keep dragging them over the right coals. This is a process, not an event.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/12/2014 @ 11:02 pm

republicans- you have no chance in 2016. load a 45 put it in your mouth and go bang.

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 2:15 am

What type of person is a republican?
a liar, and a cheat with no conscience.

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 2:19 am

This is a conservatives view of you pathetic republicans.
http://uneditedpolitics.com/utah-senator-mike-lee-floor-speech-on-the-cromnibus-121214/
I doubt any of you losers will listen to Mike Lee.

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 3:41 am

Anarchy-bring it.

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 3:42 am

If I were depressed enough to write all the things Mike M did, I would just give up because the US would be a total lost cause.

John Hitchcock (f043d0) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:01 am

McCain gets it… http://theothermccain.com/2014/12/13/god-bless-senator-mike-lee/

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:16 am

90. Not that rules set in the Constitution mean anything, but the vote for Speaker requires a majority of sitting members if I read correctly. And that is my bag.

The Speaker’s office was unfilled during the Civil War.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:20 am

99. Cannot locate this ‘Mike M.’

ThOR is on his game this day.

The attempt to take over the GOP has failed, it is time for acceptance.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:26 am

98. Guaranteed.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:29 am

Of course:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/12/Obama-I-Spend-Most-Of-My-Time-Watching-ESPN-In-The-Morning

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:36 am

101. Even better. Send the message, without prejudice, “Yu can haz a Rebublican so long as it’s not Boehner”. But they won’t. They want their seniorities and committeeships.

nk (dbc370) — 12/13/2014 @ 6:41 am

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/12/Exclusive-Palin-on-Obama-Boehner-Cromnibus-Bill-It-Stinks-to-High-Heaven

narciso (ee1f88) — 12/13/2014 @ 7:24 am

We have one party that wants to drive off the cliff at 100 mph, and the other wants to drive off the cliff, just slower. Both scenarios have the same ending.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/13/2014 @ 7:31 am

My mistake, Kevin M. People should double czech befour they post.

John Hitchcock (f043d0) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:35 am

This bill is not a “giant spending bill”. This is the Ryan/Murray budget compromise of 2014 and the bill that actually enacts it for the final 9 months of FY 2015. This is the FY 2015 budget. The 67 that voted against it were mostly the 62 who voted against the original Ryan/Murray budget compromise in the first place.

They ALL knew this was coming, this feigned surprise is just theater. Of those who voted against it are the 5 who originally voted FOR doing the Ryan/Murray compromise and then voted against this bill that actually implements it. What also bothers me is the outright lies I am seeing from some conservative sites and pundits. One of the worst is “this bill fully funds amnesty” which is exactly the opposite of what it does. It completely cuts off all spending for all the immigration departments on Feb 27 (by completely defunding the parent department, DHS). This bill:

Defunds $3 BILLION to the UN Climate Fund

It includes no new funding for Obamacare. It prohibits the transfer or release of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba into the United States, meaning no civilian trials. It blocks funding of the risk corridors that, under the Affordable Care Act, could lead to a government bailout of the insurance companies. It maintains all the existing pro-life policy and funding provisions and adds three more while cutting the funds for the Independent Payment Advisory Board (which is the body that would be recommending any rationing of health care) by $10 million.

The bill also cuts funding for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency by $60 million, which is the fifth consecutive year the agency’s budget has been cut and may finally convince the bureaucrats who run the place they cannot go beyond what they are legally authorized to do without congressional approval. And it hits the Internal Revenue Service particularly hard, cutting its allocation of federal dollars by $345.6 million, prohibiting it from targeting organizations because of the way they chose to exercise their First Amendment rights or on an ideological basis, punishes it for its profligate abuse of taxpayer dollars on expensive, needless videos and conferences at luxury resorts, and prohibits the White House from ordering the review of any organization’s tax exempt status.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2014/12/11/the-cromnibus-funding-bill-is-a-big-win-for-the-gop

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:44 am

People apparently have a very short memory, though, and don’t remember that this bill was crafted as much by Senate Democrats as by House Republicans. It is a bi-partisan compromise that the House, Senate and President all agreed to 1 year ago.

http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=364030

Oh, and what I meant to say in my previous comment was that I have no problem with 62 of those who voted against it because they also voted against the original Ryan / Murray notion in the first place so I would expect them to also vote against this. The ones I have no respect for are the 5 who switched their position. But overall, the vote in the House pretty much reflected the vote on doing this in the first place a year ago.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:51 am

109. Caveat: Subject to reconciliation.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:58 am

111. The Senate has also in the recent past simply renamed their bill that of the passed House output and tossed the contents of the House bill entirely.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:14 am

112. Ostensibly, the House bill gets an up or down vote Monday.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:14 am

113. As Gohmert has reported, post issue of the 1600 page bill, the Rules Committee inserted a hundred odd pages, not available as an attachment, that indemnify Princess’ amnesty.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:19 am

“111. The Senate has also in the recent past simply renamed their bill that of the passed House output and tossed the contents of the House bill entirely.”

DNF – Which would require another vote in the House on a new bill.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:33 am

how many more big wins like this can failmerica withstand

happyfeet (831175) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:47 am

115. Agreed, and also breaks the Constitutional requirement that spending bills originate in the House.

I think the ‘savings’ are a rounding error.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/12/top-12-quotes-from-rushs-epic-rant.html#more

Now ask yourself how the political pressures of leaving 300,000 Federal employees high and dry are going to play out at the end of February, the impetus to fix ‘Immigration’.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:49 am

I got a question for some of the gloom-and-doom bunch:

You say that the GOP is going to send us over the cliff just like the Democrats. What would you suggest? A coup? Armed overthrow of the government? Has democracy failed? What is your solution?

Me, I figure that this system has brought us this far, and despite our many many screwups, has left us better off than anyone else in this worry world. I, for one, will dance with what brung me.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:52 am

*wsorry

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:53 am

“Worry world” works for me. I have a young daughter.

nk (dbc370) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:55 am

117. Correction: Inmigracion.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:55 am

118. You first.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:57 am

Sometimes this board reminds me of the Amazon listings about some product. The 99.9% of users of the product are content with how it works and most see no need to go online to say so. But the 0.1% who have problems are all out in force. It gives a skewed picture of the frequency of problems.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:58 am

122: I’m not the one saying “The End is Nigh!”

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 9:58 am

“Now ask yourself how the political pressures of leaving 300,000 Federal employees high and dry are going to play out at the end of February, the impetus to fix ‘Immigration’.”

gary – Why not answer your own question instead of sticking your head in an oven?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:00 am

124. ‘Cause you are hopeless cannon fodder. Prolly burn in your domicile.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:02 am

Yes, that’s what the Roman Senators said, right up until they became useless.

John Hitchcock (f043d0) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:03 am

tell me more about this armed overthrow idea

happyfeet (831175) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:04 am

125. Because, the answer is trivial, nothing will be gained with the tenace. It is a toy soldier.

As was the last election.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:05 am

128. We await the initiative of rough men, from wherever it hails.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:07 am

Frog 1: This water is hotter than it was 5 minutes ago.
Frog 2: That’s what you said 5 minutes ago! The rest of us think you should quit being a Chicken Little!

John Hitchcock (f043d0) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:08 am

“115. Agreed, and also breaks the Constitutional requirement that spending bills originate in the House.”

DNF – Agreed, so you are arguing against the very point you raised. You are making as much sense as usual.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:12 am

131. Bullseye. We’ve described the sequence over and over, the pattern of events, and they progress much as we detailed.

And the only retort we hear is “I don’t recall that”. Today is much like yesterday, tomorrow will be the same.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:17 am

132. Not at all. The Treasury can fund government for months. Deliberations in the Senate will take much of next week, while some minor portion of government is shutdown.

Who knows precisely how this will sort out but Kabuki theatre is the only certain outcome.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:22 am

“125. Because, the answer is trivial, nothing will be gained with the tenace. It is a toy soldier.”

DNF – If the world is so unbearable, you may be happier going off the grid, growing your own food and home schooling your sprout. At least get your meds checked. It sucks when you can’t control all the events that you believe you should be able to. There is a name for that condition.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:24 am

132. “making as much sense as usual”

narciso and felipe know my technique without imitating it. I learned at the feet of the master.

If you don’t appreciate it pound sand.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:26 am

135. “If the world is so unbearable, you may be happier going off the grid”

What gives the impression I am not content, or chronically unhappy? I’m watching events like a farmer the sky.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/13/2014 @ 10:32 am

Don’t know much about dancin’
That’s why I wrote this post
One of my legs is shorter than the other
But my feets hurt me the most
Some folks are talkin’ like Chicken Little
To me it’s just a riddle
And we go dancin’ every night
Hopin’ one day we might get it right
Cuz we’re all dancin’ fools, we’re all
Dancin’ fools
We hear that bleat; We jumps outa our seats
But we can’t compete, cause we’re all
Dancin’ fools, we’re all
Dancin’ fools

The spendthrift folks all dressed up
The country’s theirs to kill
We walk on in ‘n’ see ’em there
Gonna give them all a thrill
When they see us comin’
They all steps aside
They has a fit while we commit
Our social suicide

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/13/2014 @ 11:10 am

The halls of Congress are a snake-infested moneypit where pimps and thieves run and operate freely and good men and women die like dogs.

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/13/2014 @ 12:01 pm

KevinM – What makes you so confident that Boehner and McConnell are going to uphold conservative principles? Usually, your comments make me pause and reflect, but that nonsense above was just that. There are miles and miles and miles and thousands of miles between spending more, capitulating to the leftists, and faking a fight and actually taking conservative actions. As is, the establishment Team R is conservative from usually around 4 OCT – 4 NOV every other year, in rhetoric. Enjoy driving off the cliff at 90 mph. It aint the fall that hurts, its the sudden stop.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/13/2014 @ 12:18 pm

I am not in command of all of the facts and nuances.
It just seems to me, though, that after taking over the Senate and increasing the lead in the House, to go ahead and pass a spending bill now up to September of 2015 that is OK with the Dem led Senate signals a big fat status quo.
I don’t see how it can do anything but that.
And 1 month ago the election said, if anything, that the status quo is not what people want.

I’m afraid I need a more convincing argument to believe anything other than Boehner and McConnell are not serious about opposing the worst of Obama.

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/13/2014 @ 12:52 pm

It is a bi-partisan compromise that the House, Senate and President all agreed to 1 year ago.
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:51 am

And the reason we should agree right now to 10 months of a bill the Dem Senate approved of when we are only a few weeks away from having a Repub Senate is ??????

MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/13/2014 @ 12:55 pm

What makes you so confident that Boehner and McConnell are going to uphold conservative principles?

What makes you so confident they can? Maybe they can only uphold some. This is a POLITICAL process, not an abstract one. But even that’s not the real point.

If you note above, I say that it isn’t Boehner or McConnell, it’s a general lack of leadership. We have no agenda of what we want, only what we don’t want. Don’t tell me “FIRE BOEHNER!!!!11!1” Tell me who you want to replace him with, and why. The last time we fired someone, it was Gingrich — a man who did understand principles — and we replaced him with Hastert, who didn’t, and entered an 8 year period of trough-feeding.

I would like to see someone take over for McConnell, who was outwitted at every turn by Dems, both in the majority and the minority. Infinite gangs of 8. But who takes over matters. McCain would be, I think we can agree, bad. Cruz is running for another office. Only Jeff Sessions seems to understand what needs to be done.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 1:34 pm

In any event, it’s the Senate that matters. If the Senate passed a narrower extension, the House would pass it too. Can the Conservatives there force some changes? If so, fine, If not, it was never to be.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/13/2014 @ 1:38 pm

this McCain is some sort of creepy geriatric anti-American operative sent here by people who hate America

i’ve had his number for some time now

happyfeet (831175) — 12/13/2014 @ 1:40 pm

Team r deserves the double palmed moutza.

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 1:41 pm

“What makes you so confident that Boehner and McConnell are going to uphold conservative principles?
You then ask me …
What makes you so confident that they can?”

Seriously? Hopefully that was a typo, or you completely missed my point.

At any rate, we should just sit back and be thankful we have Team R running the House and Senate next year. Yeay Team R!

JD (86a5eb) — 12/13/2014 @ 3:52 pm

for the first time in forever i feel like i can

just

let

go

thank you John Boehner thank you

you so got this

happyfeet (831175) — 12/13/2014 @ 3:58 pm

I guess caring about this country just isn’t worth the time.
Merry Christmas

mg (31009b) — 12/13/2014 @ 4:30 pm

109. crosspatch (6adcc9) — 12/13/2014 @ 8:44 am

One of the worst is “this bill fully funds amnesty” which is exactly the opposite of what it does. It completely cuts off all spending for all the immigration departments on Feb 27 (by completely defunding the parent department, DHS).

Buty that does nothing about amnesty, because CIS does not rely on appropriations.

It is funded by user fees.

In order to partially effect that (the issuance of documents) but not the “prosecutorial discretion” which is being communicated down the line orally, and backed up by job assessments, positive language would have to be written into the bill. NOT FUNDING DHS does nothing, except cause people to be released from jail.

Now no applications are going to be taken or documents prepared until the spring. New York State, and some groups, are trying to prevent people desiring legal status from being scammed, because people may mistakenly believe that something is about to happen very soon:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/13/nyregion/preparing-for-immigration-reform-and-warning-of-potential-fraud.htm

President Obama’s executive actions, which could temporarily shield as many as five million people from deportation and grant many of them work permits, are not scheduled to be put into effect until next year, with the most far-reaching program beginning in May.

Still, immigrants’ advocates say they have already begun hearing about shady lawyers and others promising to accelerate the application process — in exchange for a payment of thousands of dollars.

“Many immigrants believe that something is already available and that they must begin to sign up,” said Valeria Treves, executive director of New Immigrant Community Empowerment, a group based in Queens.

Part of the problem is caused by the fact that notaries have a different meaning in Latin America. And of course, Obama just created an opportunity for con men.

In New York State, the penalties for immigration fraud are about to get tougher. A new law, which will go into effect in February, mandates stricter requirements for immigration assistance providers and increases penalties to discourage fraud, including creating two new crime categories, felony and misdemeanor immigration assistance fraud.

Advocates are now pressing the New York City Council to consider similar city legislation. Advocates say that the addition of another layer of legislation would further help city agencies to curb fraud.

Fraud here means defrauding people seeking legal status.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/13/2014 @ 5:20 pm

I think Boehner snd McConnell were very afraid there would be a government shutdown, and they don’t want it, so they acted to eliminate that possibility.

What do they want?

1) Passing legislation that Obama will sign, or where his veto can be overidden, that gets some things Republicans have been talking enacted into law and gives members of Congress a feeling taht they did something.

2) Passing legislation that Obama may veto, but which will be an argument for a Republican president.

They do not want a standoff, where the Republican Party will take the heat for trying to overplay their hand.

Now if a standoff did develop, at least they could pass laws, exemoting whatevere he compplained about, or at least force a Senate filibuster, rather than as what happened in 2013, Harry Reid pretending House bills didn’t even exist.

They’d limit the conflict anyway, so why not take everything off the table? Now if they wanted pressure on amnesty, which is bad position for the Rep party to be iin by the way, they should have wothhelkd something Obama wants more than DHS, but there may be some part he wants. But Obama can’t and won’t cave on this -it’s politically impossible for him.

exclude everything

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/13/2014 @ 5:31 pm

Clearly the Cantor message is lost on the Republican leadership. Ace of Spades HQ has the best suggestion I have seen yet – select a small number of Rs target them in the primary. If that fails vote the D in for two years. By selectively targeting a small number the Rs will maintain the majority but replace the most recalcitrant members.

JMDavis2005 (496db4) — 12/14/2014 @ 2:22 am

Wow, the Senate OK’d the House bill as is; I was soooo wrong.

Evidently the bill was more palatable to Dhims than I imagined.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/14/2014 @ 7:52 am

The House bill was a Harry Reid-approved Senate bill.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/14/2014 @ 9:58 am

One thing is clear: Cruz needs to go read the Senate rule book some more. His tactics were ineffectual. This angry-man-on-a-mission thing gets old very quickly.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/14/2014 @ 10:49 am

Yes, Cruz should not stand up for his principles. He should fall in line and be a good little boy.

JD (86a5eb) — 12/14/2014 @ 10:53 am

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/14/2014 @ 10:49 am

His tactics were ineffectual. This angry-man-on-a-mission thing gets old very quickly.

Maybe. I think about half the Republican Senators wennt along. It probably takes a little while to get old.

Possibly, he’ll just be satisfied later with the opportunity to cast votes showing him opposed and “fighting” this or that. Actually, he may be now.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/14/2014 @ 3:59 pm

Mr. Cruz is a good senator

one of very very few

happyfeet (831175) — 12/14/2014 @ 4:07 pm

Yes, Cruz should not stand up for his principles

He should stand up in them in a way that has some positive effect. What he did was indistinguishable from grandstanding.

Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/14/2014 @ 10:33 pm

It wasn’t anything but grandstanding, except that he’s trying to make it look like something else. He claims that if more people grandstand, they’ll accomplish something.

Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/15/2014 @ 3:53 am

The GOP’s use of leverage:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/12/an-anonymous-commenter-predicts-what.html

DNF (7b206c) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:22 am

155. As old as the deaf, dumb and blind simian posture? Not hardly, Pilgrim.

DNF (7b206c) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:24 am

$50 million to aid CA drought situation and $80 million for illegal immigrant children – got their priorities in order, looks like.

Judy Eaton (8a35ed) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:46 am

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