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12/11/2014

Hillary Clinton And The Perversion Of Empathy And Respect

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:25 pm



[guest post by Dana]

It’s called “smart power”, this showing respect for one’s enemies and empathizing with their point of view. And it’s what Hillary Clinton believes will “change the process for peace in the 21st century.” So, while Clinton is respecting and empathizing away, this is what America’s enemy is doing:

Overall the guidelines make it clear that, in the mind of ISIS leaders, “It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of.”

The most shocking information the pamphlet offers is the notion that it is “permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse.”

There is no clarification offered in the document as to what might make a young girl “fit” to be raped.

And this:

Middlemen with ties to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) have turned to a grim new method of trying to secure funds in recent days. With the group having failed to strike deals to ransom the U.S. hostages in its custody — instead beheading three of them since July — its intermediaries are now trying to negotiate the sale of the body of at least one of the men it killed.

Three sources in contact with ISIS or its associates told BuzzFeed News that it wants to sell the remains of James Foley, the U.S. journalist whose August death was the first in a series of high-profile executions of Western hostages by ISIS hands.

They said ISIS wants $1 million for Foley’s body, which it would deliver across the border to Turkey, and that the group was willing to provide a DNA sample to facilitate a deal.

Is anyone, anywhere, joining Clinton in respecting these animals and empathizing with their plight as you walk down the “smart power” highway together toward peace?

–Dana

59 Responses to “Hillary Clinton And The Perversion Of Empathy And Respect”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Is there a rape culture within ISIS or is that our privileged western superiority talking?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3. she’s a special kind of 5tOOpid

    redc1c4 (6d1848)

  4. Yeah, it’s the old “if we only understood that our enemies just want…”

    Sometimes they want your death, or your servitude, or license to impose death and servitude on others without interference.

    As a kid I would hear that the bullies in school were just insecure, but the bullies and I all knew that bullies like terrorizing other kids.

    Who was it said, “We’re not killing you because we want something from you, we’re killing you because we want you dead?”

    Whether or not it makes sense to fight ISIS ourselves, there’s little point in thinking in these projection games.

    Our enemies aren’t like us. They want things we think are crazy and don’t want.

    Gabriel Hanna (dcffe4)

  5. Root causes!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  6. Yeah, I suppose if the Jews had only worked harder to empathize with the 3rd Reich, if only those prisoners on Bataan had done more to engage in meaningful dialogue with their Japanese captors, things might have turned out differently, eh?

    What a moron.

    Steve B (867a1f)

  7. She is taking a page from the Obama playbook – empty meaningless platitudes

    JD (86a5eb)

  8. clinton/ warren-2016
    what moron could possibly take team r seriously?

    mg (31009b)

  9. 9- boenher thinks he’s allah

    mg (31009b)

  10. 10. Boehner to America: “I fart in your general direction”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/11/Boehner-Argues-Direct-Challenge-to-Obama-s-Amnesty-Early-Next-Year-Declines-To-Reveal-How

    These guys only knew how to lose, we’ve moved on. Now it’s time for the hanger’s on to get the picture.

    DNF (7b206c)

  11. ISIS idea of a DNA sample would be my rotten dead skull delivered in a flimsy styrofoam ice chest.
    I’d empathize but I can’t… because I’d be dead.
    I suppose as I am being beheaded I could reflect on the goodness that would surely lie in their hearts if the Jews were exterminated, but I can’t… because the freakin scimitar is rusty and dull and I’m in too much agonizing pain to do any empathizing about the childhood of the douche who is hacking off my head.

    The other day folks on the left were saying drone strikes on terrorists were morally superior to EIT’s.
    Yeah. maybe I could empathize about the terrorist who survives a drone strike,a mangled mess covered with the body parts of his eldest son. I could empathize with the terrorist as he is treated in a rathole hospital. My dead skull is laughing

    steveg (794291)

  12. Doomed I say, the Dark Age is upon us:

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=353697

    DNF (7b206c)

  13. The Bible does say to love your enemies, though it doesn’t encourage giving them airplanes.

    Denver Todd (5f001f)

  14. This is one of several mistakes or missteps Karl Rove lists as Hillary Clinton having made..

    http://rove.com/articles/561

    He says she’s not really a good candidate.

    Others were:

    1) Saying that when she and her husband left the Whote House they were “dead broke” and unable to afford their “houses” (of coursethat was done so as to claim they had financial trouble. But having a negative net worth, and that only because of legal fees that lawyers could not ethically or legally waive, is not the same thing as being broke)

    2) having an arguiment with an NPR reporter who was trying to help her explain away her former opposition to gay marriage.

    3) Saying “Don’t let anybody tell you that, you know, it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs.”

    4) Suggesting that the servers and food preparers at Nov. 21 black-tie gala in New York where she was speaking were in the country illegally, as were also most construction workers.

    Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f)

  15. Sometimes the lies or special ways of putting things just don’t work out.

    Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f)

  16. I don’t recall Hillary empathizing with Monica Lewinsky or Paula Jones. She didn’t show any empathy for the 82 dead men, women, and children shot and burned at Waco. Her empathy for the Americans murdered at Benghazi extended only to lying to their grieving parents about an imaginary video tape to cover her responsibility for their deaths.

    When it comes to empathy, Hillary always has a great more to do with piously recommending it to others than she does with practicing what she preaches.

    ropelight (d38a7a)

  17. Terrorists have negotiated the return of dead bodies with Israel in the past – although not in exchange for money, but for prisoners.

    Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f)

  18. For some reason, this reminds me of an exchange from the original HITCHHIKER’S GUIDE TO THE GALAZXY radio play;

    “Footwarrior! I’m going to take these three back to my office and like them.”

    “Yessir!”

    “I think I’d like them on the wall best. See to it.”

    C. S. P. Schofield (848299)

  19. recall the difference between the reaction to this, and a joke the Huntress made at at NRA convention, which outlined a greater truth,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  20. Advocates of an interventionist foreign policy don’t have much to fear from Hillary Clinton, this sort of lip service aside.

    I’ll issue a lonely dissent from the thrust of the commentary here on this. While I agree that “empathizing” with al Qaeda or ISIS is a foolish exercise, trying to understand why they do what they do is not. And while they are evil and their ideology is twisted, I don’t think that “they hate us for our freedom” covers the waterfront. A big part of al Qaeda motivation, for forever, has been to get us out of the Middle East. That’s a popular message for many.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  21. and she certainly facilitated that goal for them, General Hafter is mounting a counterattack in Libya, but the US mission in Sanaa has been bombed at least once, we have a burgeoning second caliphate in West Africa,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  22. Isn’t that a way of saying “to feel their pain”?

    Sounds familiar don’t it?

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  23. Well Shrillary–who I most distinctly do not empathize with, may be one of America’s enemies.

    So I’ll take a pass on Ms. Clinton

    Skeptical Voter (12e67d)

  24. She revealed her thinking. That of an old woman with no guts for war. She should learn to bake cookies. War is for men. Young men.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. Obama’s team has clearly lined up behind Fauxahontas.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. yeah…but…republican war on women…uhh…vast right wing conspiracy…uhh…what does it matter…uhh…$20 bill through a trailer park…uhh…corporations dont create jobs…uhh…

    sound awake (a5c9f1)

  27. She is taking a page from the Obama playbook – empty meaningless platitudes
    JD (86a5eb) — 12/12/2014 @ 3:35 am

    Just a reflection of the contents of her mind.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  28. 23- We, or at least some of us, have been telling our leaders that we must remove ourselves from the ME for decades, and that the predicate for that withdrawal is the “energy independence” that our leadership gives lip-service to, but has actively fought for all these years….until fracking and other technologies have put that independence within our reach.
    Drilling works, as does Nuclear Power; plus, the damming of destructive rivers gives us water to use productively, and energy from its release.
    All these are opposed by The Left, which is a good marker for what they really stand for – the destruction of the American Economy, and the American Society – two concepts that they find foreign.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  29. Patterico (9c670f) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:38 am

    A big part of al Qaeda motivation, for forever, has been to get us out of the Middle East.

    That would mean that al Qaeda was only interested in teh Middle East, or the Arab world, or Moslem countries.

    Even so, what it maybe wanted was for others in the region not to have any hope the U.S. would intervene to help them.

    To that end, they may have attacked the Pentagon, because the way to really do that was to launch a massive military attack on the United States to which the United States did not respond.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  30. to which the United States did not respond.

    I’m sorry, what was it that we did in Afghanistan in Nov-01, and Iraq in Mar-03?
    ISTM we were doing something more than hailing a cab.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  31. When he approved the attack on the Pentagon, Osama bin Laden did not expect that response.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  32. This was two days after the assassination of the leader of the Northern Alliance (using a tactic – an “interview” very very similar to that in the SONY picture that brought about North Korean/Chinese retailaition.)

    Killing the leader of the rebellion, followed by an attack on the United States to which the United States did no more than maybe launch a few cruise missile, showing its powerlessness, would cement Taliban control of Afghanistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  33. @Sammy Finkelman:Even so, what it maybe wanted was for others in the region not to have any hope the U.S. would intervene to help them.

    Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

    She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world: she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  34. @Sammy Finkelstein: I quote John Quincy Adams partly because much of what he warned of has come to pass, and partly because it is very unlikely that an America which keeps the sea lanes open but otherwise intervenes very little, would ever be a target of anything but the impotent hate of people like ISIS.

    It was one thing to join the alliance against Hitler, who did threaten us directly. But it is a very different thing to assume leadership of the whole world, most of which doesn’t do anything but complain that we’re not doing it right.

    America has good intentions, but protecting the people of the world from each other is too much to expect, and the attempt to do it leads to the sort of big government I oppose.

    If you have a nanny state abroad, I don’t see how you can avoid having one at home. If you have spies and coercion abroad, I don’t see how you can avoid having one at home. If you make people in other countries live the way you think they ought to live, I don’t see how you can avoid doing so at home.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  35. That was back then, partially because there was no possibility.

    It was the British Empire that was destroying monsters, in a fit of absent mindedness.

    Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f)

  36. Shame on us for all our empire building. Russian is a beautiful language for the world to speak.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. @daleyrocks:Shame on us for all our empire building. Russian is a beautiful language for the world to speak.

    In Putin’s dreams, maybe it would have worked out that way, if there were no such country as China. Be that as it may, 1990 was about a quarter-century ago. Even if an overseas presence was required for us then, why is it still required now?

    Because Big Government, that’s why. Once the government starts something it never stops.

    Why do we still have bases in Germany? Because it makes the Germans unhappy if we close them, because we’re subsidizing their employment.

    I get defending the Free World from Communism, but I don’t get Keynesian stimulus for a First World nation that’s the richest in Europe.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  38. Gabriel,

    I get your point. I’m a Jacksonian so I don’t like to fight when it isn’t necessary, but I felt like 911 changed things. We’re in a war with Islam whether we like it or not, and I’d just as soon fight it in the Islamic world instead of in America. That’s why I supported Bush’s wars and why I still do.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  39. I’ll issue a lonely dissent from the thrust of the commentary here on this. While I agree that “empathizing” with al Qaeda or ISIS is a foolish exercise, trying to understand why they do what they do is not. And while they are evil and their ideology is twisted, I don’t think that “they hate us for our freedom” covers the waterfront. A big part of al Qaeda motivation, for forever, has been to get us out of the Middle East. That’s a popular message for many.

    There is obviously a distinction between respect and empathy, and understanding what motivates. I think it’s always of great benefit in life in general to understand the motivations of ourselves and others as best we can, but even moreso of our enemies. This benefits us in knowing how to plan and react in the most effective way possible to any threats. We also learn strengths weaknesses. I would say that when Hillary is discussing respect and empathy, it is for an entirely different reason: her progressive nature needs to be able to empathize with them as she envisions building bridges and forming some sort of relationship. It’s emotionally driven, rather than a taking a more informed strategic positioning in the face of an enemy.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  40. ISIS fighters’ fear that one of them might end up with Hillary in his harem if they win will probably be our biggest deterrent against ISIS should Hillary become President.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. hillary is such a punk-ass sleazy hoo it’s best to speak naught of her during the holidays

    holiday ought to be a verb in America I think

    and holiday we shall, and enjoy a merriment unmolested by hoos or whores or hillaries

    i’d like to stay

    and taste my first champagne

    happyfeet (831175)

  42. Hillary reminds me a bit of the pacifists who said that Hitler should be defeated not with guns but with love. Some even welcomed a fascist takeover of Europe, claiming that it was sparking a flowering of art.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  43. Is anyone, anywhere, joining Clinton in respecting these animals and empathizing with their plight as you walk down the “smart power” highway together toward peace?

    “MMMMbbbaaaah… MmmmmmmBaaaahhhh…”
    – liberal spokesperson in reply to the above question.

    The answer is yes. Liberals cannot learn from their mistakes. It is their defining characteristic as children lacking timebinding skills.

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  44. 44. Champagne is only good for at breakfast.

    DNF (7b206c)

  45. my next brunch i think is gonna be dim sum

    i never done a proper dim sum my whole life, and there’s supposed to be a great place in my neighborhood or near enough

    happyfeet (831175)

  46. 48. A worthy goal.

    DNF (7b206c)

  47. You have to do dim sum with a bunch of people. In Chinatown. On 22nd Street* just west from the Red Line stop. With friendly Chinese waitresses and a very reserved, just barely civil, maitre ‘d. And a minimum of eight dishes. With the turntable to pass them.

    *Drive, don’t take the Red Line, but use the parking lot by the Red Line stop.

    **Seriously, don’t take the Red Line.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. It’s really like tapas with tea, though. Bland tapas.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. the red takes forever from here i went over there on it just once

    it was ok but once you get south of the loop it gets kinda gritty and urban

    there’s for sure a chinatown dim sum in my future cause my friend d does that every so often and she said she’d bring me on the next one

    she goes with a bunch of genuinely asian socially awkward programmer types

    my biggest thing is I never had chicken feet

    i watched youtubes of people enjoying tasty chicken feets so I kinda know the deal, but I’ve never actually had any

    but I’ll probably try them with my neighborhood friends up here

    i think at the chinatown dim sum the tradition is to let the genuinely asian socially awkward programmer types do the ordering and I don’t wanna be that guy

    happyfeet (831175)

  50. Chicken feet rock. You also need to go to the Vietnamese area up around Argyle, for Pho and Balé

    JD (86a5eb)

  51. that i can do I live really close

    i might do that tomorrow since it might be warm enough to amble around

    google says it’s like a 25 minute walk

    happyfeet (831175)

  52. Yes, definitely. Little Saigon is nice to walk around. Up and down, actually, just the one street the last time I was there.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. ok good it looks close kinda to this sketchy “uptown” place everyone tells me to avoid

    happyfeet (831175)

  54. Their idea of empathy is a perversion. To them, it means sympathy and understanding to the point of approving, when it really means looking at an idea and understanding it. I understand radical Islam perfectly, I understand Russia’s and Putin’s precarious position–but I condemn their actions wholeheartedly.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  55. Mrs. President get used to saying it! Hillary wins tea baggers lose!

    hllary wins in 2016 (4cb3c2)

  56. 23. …I’ll issue a lonely dissent from the thrust of the commentary here on this. While I agree that “empathizing” with al Qaeda or ISIS is a foolish exercise, trying to understand why they do what they do is not. And while they are evil and their ideology is twisted, I don’t think that “they hate us for our freedom” covers the waterfront. A big part of al Qaeda motivation, for forever, has been to get us out of the Middle East. That’s a popular message for many.

    Patterico (9c670f) — 12/12/2014 @ 7:38 am

    Except of course what Hillary! and other anti-American leftists are talking about has nothing at all to do with actually understanding our enemies. The last thing they want is for anyone to figure out what makes these people tick. Which is easy enough to prove. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the largest international organization outside (and consequently within) the UN is pushing to make intelligence analysis a hate crime. The OIC’s position is that non-Muslims must uncritically accept Muslim propaganda. To actually do independent analysis undermines their deceptions and threatens to unmask their real intentions toward the west.

    And Hillary! has been an invaluable ally. One of her few “accomplishments” as SecState (not one she’ll campaign upon) was to sign on to an agreement/UN proposal to make “inciting religious hatred” a human rights violation. Naturally, the people who routinely sermonize in Mosques about Jews and Christians being the progeny of apes and pigs and “the worst of creatures” (that’s a quote from the Quran) have a very specific understanding of what would constitute incitement of religious hatred. It would be anything that puts Muslims in a bad light. In other words, the truth.

    Leftists, like Muslims, are at war with Western civilization. Which explains the alliance. And also why the Obama administration and in particular Hillary! ginned up the lie about how the Cairo and Benghazi assaults were due to understandable Muslim outrage over a US-made anti-Muslim video. It wasn’t true. But then as we’ve been reminded by the left’s assaults on the legal system following the incidents in Ferguson and on Staten Island, the facts don’t matter. They are only too proud to trumpet the fact that the truth doesn’t matter. Only the false narrative matters.

    As far as the left is concerned the Bill of Rights is an obstacle that needs to be destroyed (rape culture, anyone?). Which is exactly how the Islamic world sees it. Which is why Hillary! signed on to an OIC effort that targets the western concept of freedom of speech. Which is again why Hillary! falsely blamed an exercise in the First Amendment right of freedom of speech for Benghazi. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    The reason Hillary! preaches “respect” and “empathy” for our enemies is because like all true leftists she believes they are right and we are wrong. And the last thing she or anyone on the left wants is for the truth to get out. This is why Ayaan Hirsi Ali gets a lecture from our idiot VP about Islam. This is why there’s no mention of Islam or even MAJ Nidal Hassan in the Army’s report on the Fort Hood massacre (the Obama administration scrupulously ensured that the Army’s report on the Fort Hood massacre did not actually discuss the Fort Hood massacre, just as the Obama administration made sure the State Department’s Accountability Review Board investigation into Benghazi did not investigate what actually happened in Benghazi).

    It’s no accident that Hillary! chose Huma Abedin to be her consiglieri. Abedin’s anti-American credentials are impeccable. Her family is steeped in Muslim Brotherhood affiliations. Huma Abedin herself was on the board of directors for the Muslim Brotherhood’s first front organization in North America, the Muslim Student Association, for over a decade. Abedin also edited the journal of the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs for a similar period of time. The Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs is best understood as the foreign policy arm of Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Religious Affairs. The Institute shares the Muslim Brotherhood’s goal of infiltrating western societies and destroying them from within. The Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs role is to ensure that Muslims living in those western societies do not assimilate (Erdogan, Obama’s sole BFF among world leaders, considers westerners’ expectations that Muslims assimilate another “human rights” crime), but rather remain a hostile, alien cancer within their hosts.

    What the leftists in the Obama administration have done, and Hillary! foremost among them, has been to put enemy agents in charge of making sure that we do not understand what they are doing to this country. We’re way ahead of the OIC’s wildest expectations. Anyone in the national security apparatus who actually does honest counterterror intelligence analysis is drummed out of government service, or slandered in their performance reviews. All you have to do is look at how people who reported their worries when Nidal Hassan briefed his peers about his upcoming jihad were treated. Intelligence analysts were treated the same way. This started under Bush, but then the GOP is merely stupid. The left is ideologically opposed to our existence.

    When Hillary! talks about having respect and empathy for our enemies, it’s because she thinks they are right to hate us.

    Steve57 (600c9e)


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