The President And Ferguson
[guest post by Dana]
Following the turbulence in Ferguson, the president held several meetings today with elected officials, community organizers and… Al Sharpton. The president asked Congress for $263 million, a three-year community policing initiative that would include “funding for up to 50,000 body-worn cameras, expand training for local law enforcement and community-police engagement, and boost federal support for police department reform” and he also established a task force to study how to improve the effectiveness of law enforcement in cities around the country. The task force will report back in 90 days with their findings. Also, the president addressed concerns about the possible militarization of law enforcement and the acquisition of surplus military equipment:
The Obama administration, however, declined to call for shutting down the military equipment transfers, which became controversial after images of well-armed law enforcement attacking demonstrators were broadcast around the world in August. Mr. Obama instead vowed to sign a new executive order tinkering with the program.
“I will be signing an executive order that specifies how we are going to make sure that that program is accountable, how we are going to make sure that that program is transparent and how we’re going to make sure that we’re not building a militarized culture inside our local law enforcement,” Mr. Obama said.
Further, the president made it clear that he believes the issues in Ferguson are the issues of America at large:
This is not a problem simply of Ferguson, Missouri. This is a problem that is national.
“It is a solvable problem, but it is one that unfortunately spikes after one of them and then fades into the background until something else happens. What we need is a sustained conversation in which, in each region of the country, people are talking about this honestly and then can move forward in a constructive fashion.”
In the president’s view, the Brown shooting in Ferguson:
…laid bare a problem that is not unique to St. Louis … and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color.
He cited civil rights leaders’ opinion ‘that in a country where one of our basic principles, perhaps the most important principle, is equality under the law, that too many individuals – particularly young people of color – do not feel as if they’re being treated fairly.
Sharpton, for his part, referred to the meeting as:
[an] historic meeting that the president and vice president sat with all of us and law enforcement to commit to not just another commitment, another study … but that he would put his full weight behind it.’
‘We live in a country that we must support law enforcement but law enforcement must support justice.
And attempting to convince the public that this is more than just about race, Josh Earnest noted before the meetings:
“The underlying issues here are broader then just race in that this goes to sort of a foundational relationship again between law enforcement agencies and the communities they are sworn to serve and to protect. Surely discussions of race are an important part of that relationship. There is no doubt about that, but its more than just that.”
The twitter feed of Operation Ferguson reveals some positive reactions to the president’s meetings today:
T-DUBB-O @TDUBBOHMYGOD
@BarackObama is actually pretty cool #letsgetfree #stl #ferguson2dc @WhiteHouse
And while TDUBB might be impressed, Dana Milbank most amusingly, isn’t:
The grand-jury decision not to charge the white police officer who killed an unarmed black teenager in Missouri has given Obama another opportunity to show strong and decisive presidential leadership. And, once again, Obama is using the bully pulpit like a 98-pound weakling. If any more chin-stroking goes on at this White House, the president’s advisers are going to have chafe marks on their jawbones.
Apologies for a big clumsy post, but I wanted to include the highlights of what took place today. More at the various links.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 12/1/2014 @ 5:46 pmWell, he’s right about one thing. The Ferguson shooting shows that there is a problem of trust between the black community and law enforcement. When a black man (sorry, an 18 year-old the size of an NFL linebacker is not a child) thinks its appropriate to resist arrest and assault a cop, and his community thinks that makes him a hero, there’s a problem. But the problem is with the mores and values of the black community, not the conduct of the police. Of course, I must be a racist for even suggesting that.
edoc118 (8b952d) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:00 pmI have become a cynic. I think at this point anything the president says or does on any topic–any topic at all– just makes it worse. And creates a bigger mess for someone else to clean up.
elissa (74b420) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:01 pmBut the problem is with the mores and values of the black community, not the conduct of the police.
I’m pretty sure that was not part of today’s discussions. Or, if it were, it will not be made public.
Dana (8e74ce) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:03 pmHello, Dana. It’s a fine post. Links? Who clicks links?
This all should have been expected from the SCOAMF. It’s his M.O. — from the Harvard professor to Trayvon Martin to this. He’s playing to his core constituency. Blame every
nk (dbc370) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:03 pmmiddle workingproductive-class idiot who voted for him.the particulars of the deployment in August, half of the town had burned down, including the store where the events originated, now the other half of the town has burned down,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:09 pmDana,
Of course it wasn’t, because discussing that particular can of worms would be hard. And modern liberals have shown time and again that they will do absolutely anything to avoid facing hard truths. Its much easier to go through life with your eyes closed and your fingers stuck in your ears.
edoc118 (8b952d) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:10 pmObama could have defused this entire fiasco a looooooooong time ago. But he had no desire to do so. He, Holder, Sharpton, MSNBC, and the rest of the grievance-mongers poured gas all over this situation, much like they did with the Zimmerman/Trayvon incident, then passed out matches and lighters, then acted all aghast when things got set ablaze.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:15 pmMerely having Al F@ck Taxes Sharpton there shows, in an objective manner, how fundamentally unserious Obama is about this issue.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:22 pmI’m all for body cameras and professionals to teach the police American civilian rules of engagement and not Fallujah military free-fire zones rules of engagement. (I’m talking to you, NYPD.) Paying “consultant” fees to “community organizers” to nag the police about being nicer to young thugs, not so much.
nk (dbc370) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:22 pm‘just another question, sir’
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/st-louis-bosnian-survivor-seldin-dzananovic-describes-teen-attack-with-hammers-video/
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:27 pmAs someone who works in law enforcement, I’ll say this: the funny thing about body cameras is, they actually protect the police as much as they do the public. Lots of people in the bottom tax bracket have decided that suing the cops is their ticket to riches (google “ghetto lottery”). Body cameras, along with dash cams, generally prove these false accusations wrong in about 3 seconds. If Officer Wilson had been wearing one, or even if his car had been wired for video inside and out, we’d have video evidence of Michael Brown attacking him and this whole situation never would have happened. Which is why I predict there will be a bunch of talk about body cameras, and then the funding for the project will quietly disappear and the whole thing will fizzle out.
edoc118 (8b952d) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:32 pmNow that Obama is reassuring people about military equipment for police, I’m more worried than ever.
I can’t believe they’re still stroking the race angle in this shooting. The truth that too many protesters don’t want to here is that there was justice for Mike Brown. It came in the form of Officer Wilson. Mike Brown was the bad guy.
DejectedHead (5443cc) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:32 pmYeah, that’s why Jesse Jackson wasn’t there. He was afraid to walk down the street.
ras (2067f2) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:34 pmhe turns everything into a sloppy degrading whorefest
every
damn
time
it’s an obama thang
happyfeet (831175) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:34 pmLots of people in the bottom tax bracket have decided that suing the cops is their ticket to riches (google “ghetto lottery”).
I’ve been saying that for years.
nk (dbc370) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:35 pmyes, it’s a bug not a feature with him,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:39 pmand for a sleazy whore like the american president to natter on about “equality under the law” is…
it’s just too too silly
the rest of the world probably thinks it’s kinda cute but it’s not – not to people who have to live in this crappy oppressive whorestate
especially on a weeknight when we shouldn’t be drinking
happyfeet (831175) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:40 pmSquirrel!!, and some clarity on the other hand
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/12/liberal-writers-wrestle-with-ferguson-facts/
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/1/2014 @ 6:46 pmI’m with nk and edoc118 above. If I were on the police force I would insist on wearing a body cam. And I’ll bet that the local thugs will be protesting these modern tools as soon as they figure out it is easier to prosecute them. And I didn’t think I would agree with “O” on anything
bald01 (096663) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:06 pmAl $harpton plus this motley crew.
Ashley Yates, Millennial Activists United
** Rasheen Aldridge, Young Activists St. Louis
** Brittany Packnett, St. Louis educator and activist
** T-Dubb-O, St. Louis hip-hop artist
** James Hayes, Ohio Students Association
** Phillip Agnew, Dream Defenders
** Jose Lopez, Make the Road New York
I guess anyone can get a security pass on TFG’s WH.
Gazzer (cb9ee2) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:10 pmBTW, I believe the popo should be less militaristic, I mean camo in the city, but this is not what this is about. SCOAMF is really mad at us after the mid terms and we will be made to pay.
Also, dead Bosnian had nothing to do with race or the riots said some dumb Mayor. Course not…
Gazzer (cb9ee2) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:13 pmFrom the Volokh Conspiracy:
“Witness 10 proves Darren Wilson had a reasonable belief he needed to shoot Michael Brown”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/01/witness-10-proves-darren-wilson-had-a-reasonable-belief-he-needed-to-shoot/?hpid=z3
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:16 pmI note the president isn’t trying to take back these armored cars and machine guns, but just lecture police on how not to use them (as if he had a clue).
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:17 pmGazzer, Do they keep describing him as Bosnian to avoid saying he was white? It’s bizarre. I simply do not recall this level of national origin detail on any other recent crime story. (i.e., Chinese man strangled, Greek woman raped, or Mexican teen carjacked, etc.) In fact when the p.c. media describes a perp they usually state only that he was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and red sports shoes–no race or ethnic description at all.
elissa (74b420) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:22 pmelissa–
I think they say “Bosnia” so we know it wasn’t “one of us.”
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:29 pmGood point Elissa. That is to the extent that they are mentioning it at all. Check CNN and NYT, for example, and it returns no hits at all. It reeks of when Zimmerman had to become a white Hispanic as they rushed to judgement over his Germanic/Jewish last name.
Gazzer (cb9ee2) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:29 pmAs TV coverage showed the mob setting Ferguson on fire and hunting for white folks to attack, Obama appeared on a split screen to bloviate about “the rule of law”. Teh Won then poured gasoline on the fire by talking about the “deep distrust” between the police and minorities.
But Ferguson wasn’t about police brutality or – as Holder would have it – racial profiling. Obama could’ve talked about how blacks are about 13% of the population yet comprise over 50% of murder victims… or how 90% of these victims are murdered by other blacks. He could have talked about how 25% of the grand jury that chose not to indict were black. As Charles Barkley pointed out, a lot of these neighborhoods would be the wildest, Wild West if the police weren’t helping. And yet the POTUS squanders the moment as has been his habit for 6 years now. What a surprise and what a Class A Clown.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:29 pm“As someone who works in law enforcement, I’ll say this: the funny thing about body cameras is, they actually protect the police as much as they do the public.”
If I was a cop, I would be insisting the PD buy these for insurance against lawsuits. It would be a strong argument.
The whole thing is about getting blacks to continue voting for Democrats and turning out in spite of zero benefit from the votes. Now, we have the avalanche of illegals coming in as a substitute voting block if blacks don’t behave.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:32 pmhe was just a guy from Waterloo Iowa, came from Bosnia in 1996:
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/01/enraging-some-people-notice-something-curious-about-media-coverage-of-zemir-begic-murder/
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:45 pmPandering, setting up a slush fund for activists, organizing the community–IOW, the usual response to any problem by Obama.
Not one member of law enforcement was there.
Not. One.
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:46 pmLowry told them the discussion that was needed and the lessons to be learned was don’t charge police officers and stop when they tell you to:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/12/lowry-stands-athwart.php
It is no favor to the black community to make excuses for behavior like Martin’s or Brown’s, and there is more evidence for Brown’s misdeeds and Wilson’s innocence as above.
How many people think electing the nation’s first African-American president has done one bit of good for race relations in this country?
As far as body cams go, the one concern I have heard from police is the fear that video will be made public and edited in the worst way possible for the police involved. I do not know how real or imagined that risk is, compared with the potential benefit.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:52 pmPresident race riot, will continue his assault on all of us, I hope I’m around for the reckoning.
mg (31009b) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:53 pmElissa, the reference evokes two things at once…probable entry to this country as a refugee from the war or in its immediate aftermath, and probable Muslim.
I know nothing about the two victims, so I do not know either was/is a refugee or Muslim. And of course the murderers apparently were content to identify him as a white.
kishnevi (a5d1b9) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:06 pmAs said,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:23 pmZimmerman was a White Hispanic.
Equivalent coverage would be,
Begic was a White Bosnian, perhaps a White Bosnian Muslim or (White Muslim Bosnian)
“Begic was a White Bosnian, perhaps a White Bosnian Muslim or (White Muslim Bosnian)”
MD in Philly – The White House could make good p.r. use of an Islamophobic rage killing.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:31 pm0bama is working on his comedy improv career here. Cut him some slack.
Jim (47d62a) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:33 pm“There is no evidence that this was a crime occasioned by the race or ethnicity of the victim,” Mayor Francis Slay said in a formal statement. He added, “Speculation that this attack had anything to do with the Ferguson protests is absolutely unfounded.”
And yet, what was the evidence that Ferguson was about race? Just as quickly as it is assumed one tragic death is all about race, so too the assumption is made that another tragedy is not about race.
Dana (8e74ce) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:33 pmHere is an idea for a photoshop
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:38 pmtake the picture of the St. Louis Rams players with their hands up,
and give it the caption,
“If Michael Brown had done this,
he would be alive today.”
In a land where Hassan committed an act of workplace violence, any narrative is possible.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/1/2014 @ 8:40 pmA-freakin-men
JD (86a5eb) — 12/1/2014 @ 9:10 pmYou know, I actually agree with what the aptly named Josh Earnest said:
Yes, this is broader than just race. It goes to the foundational relationship between law enforcement and the “community.” It’s about “community organizers” and grievance mongers colluding to advance the cultural Marxist proposition that this country is irredeemably (insert grievance here) and will remain so unless this country “fundamentally transforms.” The community organizers organize those communities to sabotage that relationship, so they can blame the cops and perpetually demand concessions. Or the “good cop, bad cop” routine of using mobs to extort others will continue.
In other words, yes this issue is broader than just race. It’s about a false narrative about oppressed vs. oppressor. In this instance the evil white oppressor vs. the innocent oppressed black child. And the false narrative will never change until whites hate their oppressive whiteness as much as those brainwashed into thinking they are oppressed hate their whiteness.
This is just another Tawana Brawley-style hoax. There was no white on black crime. The grievance mongers made it up. Sharpton has demonstrated he has learned a lesson. His fabrications now contain greater grains of truth, as all effective lies must. But really these lies don’t have to be too effective, since the benefits of believing lies that justifies one’s hatred are reward enough. Free stuff, violence and mayhem, and never being held accountable because your hatred is justified.
Yes. Discussions of race are important. Because this incident was all about racial hatred. Michael Brown was indoctrinated to despise whites. So when a white cop told him to get on the sidewalk, he was determined to demonstrate he had no respect for him. So he responded with an expletive. He refused. He attacked the cop, slamming the door on him and trying to take his gun. And he told the white cop he was “too much of a pussy” to shoot.
We saw why Michael Brown was killed because the people paid “tribute” exactly in keeping with the spirit of Michael Brown. They shouted “f*** the police,” which was exactly Brown’s attitude. Then they looted the exact same store, among others, that Brown had robbed.
So yes, this was a racial issue. Just not in the way that the false narrative insists it was. And as we watched Michael Brown’s kindred spirits yell their disdain for white authority (which is what the cops represent) and commit multiple felonies on TV, we had the purveyors of the lies on split screen instructing us that the only reason a cop could have a problem with such people is because they’re racist and hate blacks. If any of those people had been arrested, it could only have been because they’re black. Just like Michael Brown.
http://www.examiner.com/article/louis-farrakhan-calls-for-violence-to-tear-country-apart-over-ferguson
And when some 18 year old inner city “child” with a criminal record gets shot trying to throw a molotov cocktail at a cop, Obama and Sharpton will insist the white guy only shot the black “child” because of his skin color.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 9:11 pmI’ll tell you what, Barack Obama—and people similar to you, or Michelle. You send your own dear, precious children — be they Sasha and Malia, etc — to schools full of Trayvon Martins and Michael Browns, and we’ll get the discussion going.
Oh, and a shout out to comedienne Chris Rock. He’s the one who joked that if an out-of-towner happens to be visiting an American city and finds himself at the corner of Martin Luther King Blvd and Cesar Chavez Drive, to get the hell out of there!!
Mark (c160ec) — 12/1/2014 @ 9:26 pmO’Douchebag is not playing to his base. He has no base. He is a lame phuck. Obama is going to the ONE TRICK that he knows. AGITATION. COMMUNITY ALYNSKYISM. He’s not a bright man, he’s been TOLD that he is INTELLIGENT. Dana Mildew and DaveyBoy Brooks LOVE HIS PANTS, otherwise, Obama has gotten a lifelong pass on ABILITY and MERIT. Obama is a clueless CLOWN. He misses FATHER PFLEGER and the good old days of PROTEST SIGNS and RACE BAITING T-SHIRTS. Obama is JAY-VEE. Always has been.
Gus (7cc192) — 12/1/2014 @ 9:35 pmSTEVE57…..bingo…., this is Rahm Emanuel not letting a CRISIS go un-demogogued. But it’s worse. Our President, THE PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, is a pathetic RACE BAITING A$$-HOLE. We’ve allowed a MAN-CHILD MARXIST A$$-HOLE to run the country. It has set new lower expectations and has given LOSERS hope.
Gus (7cc192) — 12/1/2014 @ 9:43 pmmeh
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:03 pmelisssa, these crises President Jarrett doesn’t want to let go to waste won’t just create themselves.
But in all seriousness, there’s nothing cynical about making an accurate assessment. President Jarrett’s front man’s intention is to make things worse. Which is why he is insisting that police forces make concessions such as diversity hiring. Precisely because what happened wasn’t about white racism. So hiring a diverse police force will not fix the problem. It’s not intended to fix the problem.
It’s intended to cement in the brainwashed minds of the Democratic party’s wholly-owned core constituency, the black voting block, that white racism is the problem despite all the evidence to the contrary. It’s how the Sharpton-Jackson race hustle works in the private sector. Companies will settle with them without admitting wrongdoing. But they’ll make a “voluntary” contribution to their slush funds, and to prove they’re nice guys they’ll agree to hire a more “diverse” workforce. And send their employees to racial sensitivity training.
The fools. What they have been talked into believing is a goodwill gesture is the admission of guilt the Sharptons and Jacksons wanted all along. Because if Cracker Barrel or Denny’s wasn’t a racist company with racist policies, why did they agree to change their racist ways.
The measures Obama will insist that police forces make will be used the same way. Sharpton et al can muddy the waters when it comes to denigrating the results of a grand jury investigation. But one thing will be crystal clear. The targeted agencies will have implemented measures designed to fix racism. Just getting them to implement the measures will be used as evidence that the hate mongers have been right all along. White police racism must be the problem. Or else why did they agree to fix the problem of white police racism?
Essentially his goal is to make the feds the enforcer of proposition that blacks can’t trust white cops. Or whites in general. And whites must agree, or else they wouldn’t concede that blacks can’t trust a police force that doesn’t look like them.
After all, if majority black communities can’t trust a police force that doesn’t look like them, then obviously a black individual can’t trust any particular cop who doesn’t look like him either. Everyone agrees, including the agencies that admit they have a problem they need to work on, that despite the denials the root cause of “mistrust” is always white racism.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:04 pmOnly $260 mil.? Foodstamp is losing his belly for the grift.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:29 pmA black man, said to be a friend of Brown, was shot and burned the night of the rioting. It is likely that he is one of the grand jury witnesses who recanted an earlier tale and confirmed Wilson’s story. His body was found in a car at the site of Brown shooting, which seems to be an obvious clue.
Does anyone else think it is remarkable that nothing has been done about this murder? There’s no interest by the LHMFM, and Fox seems to be avoiding this while trying to debate the merits of the fantasy that has served as the justification for the violence. They even had Woodward on to advance the idea that the text of the grand jury investigation had many different views of the event, and he really couldn’t figure out what had happened. Which is to say that the work of the grand jury was dismissed out of hand, and doubt was the logical result, thus excusing the rioters.
It is all very strange. If this murder victim was in fact a grand jury witness, I would think the state and local law enforcement agencies would be very active in finding and prosecuting the culprits. Our court system would not work very well if it’s known that there is an open season on witnesses. But I repeat myself.
bobathome (348c8a) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:41 pmBut of course there is evidence that the motive was hatred toward whites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIPZ09WcTWk
According to the eyewitness on this video taken as the victim is being treated on the scene, the perps were shouting “f*** the whites, kill the whites.”
Of course I don’t want to be guilty of the same crime as the mayors and the governor who insisted based upon the first eyewitness accounts that Darren Wilson’s head must roll.
But what about the fact that for weeks the left has literally been calling for a race war?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/393432/missouri-state-senator-st-louis-race-war-brendan-bordelon
I could link to all the tweets from rioters expressing their rabid hatred for whites. Excuse me. Crackers. The protest organizers saying whites have to be made afraid. People saying the same things as Farrakhan said at the above link.
So Mayor Slay insists it’s just crazy talk to suspect that after weeks of influential calling for “people of color to target whites” that these people of color may have targeted Begic because he was white.
I don’t know what color Slay happens to be but he’s qualified to be president of the NAACP. Because the current guy went on TV and insisted that when Michael Brown’s stepfather was shouting on TV to “burn this b***h down” that was NOT an incitement to “burn this b***h down.” Despite the fact that Michael Brown’s church choir mates then proceeded to “burn this b***h down.”
Clearly, since lying right to our faces is the job description, Slays proves he’s up to the task. Or he could work for the Obama administration. They have an endless need for shameless liars. So inevitably when the next Muslim cooks off and starts killing people while shouting “Allahu Akhbar” Major Nidal Hassan-style he can make statements like the one he just made.
It was just random, uncategorizeable street-place violence, you Islamophobes! Nobody can say what the motive was; it’s impossible.
Unless the perp is a white cop. Then we can read his mind.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:46 pmMy favorite part?
I love how after six years of Obama’s preening there is still someone as dumb as Al Sharpton to believe that Obama will actually insist upon tangible results from all this bloviating and not just forget about Ferguson, Missouri altogether as soon as the news cycle moves on to something new. Of course by the same token, Al Sharpton will also forget about Ferguson just as soon as he has milked it for as much airtime and newsprint as he possibly can.
JVW (60ca93) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:47 pmopen season on witnesses
When hasn’t it? Every episode of Hill Street Blues I ever watched.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:49 pmSteve, it’s Alynski. These bastards have no interest in give and take. No interest
Gus (7cc192) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:54 pmThe national median for violent crime (per 1000 residents) is 3.9 , at Gravois Avenue it’s 17.78 – (first blsht link I could find on crime rate).
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/1/2014 @ 11:02 pmYou know what it’s called when you can’t figure out what happened? Reasonable doubt. Which back in the good ol’ days meant the accused remains presumed innocent.
Except when black mobs are rioting for white blood. Then, when you (pretend) you can’t figure things out you hand the mob their victim and presume a) he’s guilty because you couldn’t figure things out and b) the black mob represents justice.
Leftists hallucinate they’re making some sort of reasonable case that justifies the actions of a lynch mob. When in fact they’re illustrating the warped mind and craven reasoning of the kind of depraved leftist who would even try to justify the lynch mob. Even if we make the leap and for arguments sake allow that Woodward is being truthful, then the grand jury made the right call according to what he’s saying.
No, it’s not hard to figure things out. It’s only hard if you want to pretend it’s hard. But even the pretense is damning of Woodward and his ilk. Because the best he can do is claim confusion. And by some perverse standard of justice that means a grand jury that has seen all the evidence should have indicted a man to stand trial when it would be impossible to convict him. Because, as Woodward has unwittingly explained, it would be impossible to establish his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If a grand jury can’t figure out what happened, as Woodward is claiming to be the case here, then they don’t even have probable cause to conclude a crime was committed, let alone that the accused was the one who committed the crime that is impossible to figure out occurred or not.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 11:02 pmThat’s my favorite part, too, but for a different reason. It’s complete gibberish. We know what Obama didn’t commit to, and whatever the nothing that Obama hasn’t committed to turns out to be Sharpton says the preezy is putting his full weight behind it. Historic nothingness! Sounds about right.
I love how Sharpton still actually believes Obama can produce tangible results. Positve tangible results from Sharpton’s evil little perspective. Instead of waving his magic wand and turning whatever he touches to crap, as is usually the result of Tiger Beat administering his magic touch to a project. Sharpton actually believes that if Prom Queen puts his full weight behind this latest Tawana Brawley hoax of his, Obama won’t turn it into the healthcare.gov of race crime forgery.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 11:37 pmhttp://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/01/quotes-of-the-day-1927/
And this time will be different because King Putt is our preezy. Vive la difference!
He’s proven there’s nothing he can’t screw up.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/1/2014 @ 11:53 pmPrezzy race bait learned his hate from his mentor Frank Marshall Davis. The mfm should be held accountable for pre-planned oversight.
mg (31009b) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:15 amOur esteemed President said:
And why does that “simmering distrust” exist? Because so many black men are getting locked up! And why are so many black men getting locked up? Because so many of them break the law!
The problem does have an obvious solution: black parents teaching their kids not to knock over convenience stores. Is that really that hard?
The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:39 amYes, yes it is that hard. Because the “parents”, are now in the fourth generation of being parents only in the “sperm and egg donor” sense.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:09 amSharpton at teh president’s elbow? Resist we much!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:26 amCharles Barkley is able to recognize truth and stick to it, as he did for Zimmerman/Martin. Good for him.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:29 amNo, Sharpton is more like that evil clown in Spawn, spreading chaos every where, or a more Zaftig Loki, ultimately dispatched at the end of the Dark World,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/2/2014 @ 6:22 amsome enemies must be kept in check, at all costs:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-01/why-is-the-fbi-still-targeting-petraeus
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/2/2014 @ 6:25 amHere’s article and pic of one of the arrested teens and also of the “Bosnian” and his wife/fiancee. If what the attackers were allegedly shouting is true as stated here in the vid, then this story is shockingly and unexpectedly not being properly reported by the mfm.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/17-year-old-teen-charged-as-adult-in-brutal-hammer-beating-death-of-south-city-man-video/
elissa (385fb1) — 12/2/2014 @ 6:37 aman interesting comparison, I hadn’t considered:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/12/lowry-stands-athwart-part-2.php
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/2/2014 @ 6:54 amHere is a story where a cop was on video being very polite and explaining why he was approaching a black man.
steveg (794291) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:14 amThe media (and the lying sack of…) tried to spin this as a racist encounter
Or here
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/02/police-state-michigan-cops-defend-stopping-black-man-for-walking-with-his-hands-in-his-pocket-in-the-snow-video/
steveg (794291) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:15 amPresident Obama is a moral coward, and always has been. Or worse, he thinks this could be somehow to his benefit. But I think it is more that he doesn’t want to break with some of his base.
What he should be saying was that there was nothing wrong with the grand jury decision.
The proof that he knows that (and also that he’s not entirely evil) is his proposed remedies.
He is not proposing to further investigate this case. If he thought there was a problem here, that would be on his list at least.
Instead he comes up with all sorts of other things, some good, some terrible. Like money for cameras on policemen. That’s OK, except for the problems there would be when it doesn’t happen. I am also not sure how many people want to be photographed.
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:19 amEvery moron and his brother has a cellphone vid camera these days and can take a video to edit as he pleases and publish on YouTube. Not to mention the cameras put up by businesses. It’s best for the police officer to have the real version to counteract them. Think Sarah Palin and her ABC, and NBC, edited interviews. See also the PD’s letter in steveg’s twitchy link.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:33 am59. The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:39 am
I think the answr to that is:
Yes, it is.
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:40 amNo, Sammy, it is not at all hard. Teaching children to obey the law is no challenge at all.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:41 am32. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/1/2014 @ 7:52 pm
They are not making excuses – they are lying, or evading the issue.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan
Now the whole purpose of all these demonstrations – the only possible real purpose behind them – is for some people to insist on their own (useful to them in some way) facts, and not to get their “facts” challenged.
So maybe that should be modified to be:
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:49 am72. JD (86a5eb) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:41 am
That’s why very few children have ever used illegal drugs.
It depends on what their friends are doing, and if the parents even know what’s going on.
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:51 amLife with the existentially insular The Sammeh.
Just wow. I know you are all neurodiverse, but good Lord.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 8:12 am73% of black children are born out of wedlock. And I don’t want to look up how many of the baby mamas are fifteen years old because I know it will depress me. Parent-parents are few, and they’re acting white the Oreo race-traitors.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 8:18 amI kind of hope Obama gets what he wants, which is fewer arrests of black males, like the schools are now not disciplining black kids because they are disciplined “disproportionately.”
Crime will explode in these neighborhoods, and it will all be on him.
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/2/2014 @ 8:29 amSammeh, you are chopped liver to me.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:19 amThe black man who was shot and killed the night the grand jury findings were released was named Deandre Joshua. He was 22 and had a job at Walmart. His family said that he was happy Walmart had closed so he didn’t have to work that night, because he thought there would be trouble. Whether he was a grand jury witness or not, his death is a much more significant event than the death of a criminal fleeing the scene of a strongarm robbery. If Obola wants to have an important discussion about the problems facing the black community in Ferguson, he’d do well to drop Brown and adopt Joshua. The fact that he hasn’t, nor has the LHMFM exploded this story into the nightly news, tells us all we need to know about potUS’ motives, and thus those of the LHMFM.
bobathome (348c8a) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:30 amIt seems to me that the Democrat Racial Grievance Complex chose the wrong incident to elevate into the national spotlight.
The most relevant question was whether Officer Wilson was in using the amount of force he did in protecting himself and attempting to subdue Michael Brown. The Justice system slowly agreed that he was.
The rest of the months long drama was fuel by misinformation and the usual cast of racial grievance mongers, media malpractice, and professional agitators, aided by the Obama Administration. Given the Obama Administration’s support of the Occupoop Movement, with its mostly peaceful rioting and raping, there is no surprise that the only thing they got upset about was the potentially aggressive show of force to suppress the mostly peaceful rioters and looters.
Meanwhile, we get the ongoing distortion of facts on national TV by the race hustlers to describe why things have to change. We need to have police forces more in line with the demographics of the populations they serve. Hey, that sounds like the laws Obama pushed in Illinois regarding regulating police stops by the demographics of the population. Now I thought we just heard that there was inherent distrust of the police on the part of black people. Do we have any “science” that black on black policing is more effective, that distrust and crime will go down or is it just some wish list social experiment? One underlying assumption seems to be that black police officers will enforce the law in a different manner than white police officers. Surely there must be hard evidence to support such a conclusion, although I have not yet seen any.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:41 amThe whole point is to demonstrate that racism is built into the system. The system is set up to protect “white privilege.” More black police officers can’t and won’t change that. So that no matter how we tweak the system, the system itself perpetuates and needs to be scrapped.
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/12/02/holder-new-justice-dept-policy-will-end-racial-profiling-once-and-for-all/
This policy isn’t intended to increase trust. But to confirm the paranoia that Michael Brown/Trayvon Martin were “profiled.” The only reason they were shot and killed were because they were black. The whole purpose is to invalidate the grand jury and trial verdicts as the products of a racist system that has declared “open season” on “black boys.”
The Marxists once made the argument that the system was set up to preserve the economic power bourgeoisie. That failed because the proletariat didn’t want to develop their class consciousness; they wanted to become one of the bourgeoisie. So the cultural Marxists came up with the concept of white power. Dead old white men came up with a system to preserve white privilege. And no matter what changes you make, it still preserves white privilege.
Hence the community organizer in chief has come up with “solutions” that are bound to fail since they don’t address any actual problem. They simply reinforce the delusion that they’ve brainwashed some categories of the “cultural proletariat” (i.e. blacks, women, gays, etc) to believe.
The only solution then becomes the “fundamental transformation” Obama wants. And the only reason anyone would resist the communist revolution is because of racism.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:17 amDana, your embedded links of the word “president” go to stories about Barack Obama. Shouldn’t they link to Valerie Jarret instead?
creeper (9b3dc1) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:19 am73% of black children are born out of wedlock. And I don’t want to look up how many of the baby mamas are fifteen years old because I know it will depress me.
Not all that many. The median age for 1st time motherhood among black women is about 23.0 years.
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:24 am“The whole point is to demonstrate that racism is built into the system.”
Steve57 – My whole point is that to demonstrate racism in the Michael Brown incident they have to lie. That is an activity which the most transparently lying administration in history and the Democrat Racial Industrial Media Complex (BIRM) are currently ranked world class.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:26 amMr Finkelman wrote:
Oh, bovine feces! If you are a real parent, you know who heir friends are and what they are doing.
My wife and I didn’t have PhDs in parenting, yet somehow, some way, we managed to get two girls to adulthood without them ever getting brought home by the police or ever getting knocked up. Because they are both in he Army Reserves, they both have to pass routine drug tests, so we know that they aren’t messing around there, either.
I’m going to tell you the great, great secret to parenting: if you don’t want your kids to drink or use drugs, don’t drink or use drugs yourself. If you don’t want your kids screwing around, don’t screw around yourself. If you don’t want your kids breaking the law, don’t break the law yourself. Take your kids to Mass! Don’t just send them, take them with you. Be married to their mother and stay married to their mother.
You think that’s hard? That’s what we used to expect of men, and it’s what most men used to do.
The Army-daddy Dana (f6a568) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:29 amI agree, daley. They have to lie to maintain this delusion:
http://neoneocon.com/2014/12/01/liberals-wrestle-with-ferguson-facts-john-mcwhorter-and-john-judis/
No matter what happens, Holder and Obama and Sharpton have to keep blacks convinced that their hatreds are totally justified. The facts are the enemy of this endeavor. They have to combat the facts with lies.
The fewer facts they have on their side, the more numerous and the more outrageous their lies have to become.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:38 amFor your delectation, here is a link to a CDC publication from August which tracks teen birth rates over time:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/NVSR63_04.pdf
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:39 am“I agree, daley.”
Steve57 – Often it is hard to tell if you are agreeing or arguing. 🙂
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:40 am74. 75. 76. Yes, single mothers have a harder time teaching children to treat people decently, and maybe it doesn’t even occur to them there’s a danger, but most of them don’t wnat their children to be predators.
So it is hard. In certain neighborhoods, and with children attending certain schools. For parents of children in certain situations it is hard, hard, work to stop them from going wrong.
Also, it was the crime that preceded and caused the illegitimacy, and not the other way around.
Out of wedlock births did NOT cause a rise in the crime rate. The tendency to commit crimes caused a rise in out of wedlock births,going back to the 1930s.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:42 am48. papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/1/2014 @ 10:29 pm
Think. What would happen if every police department bought cameras.
Where would Al Sharpton get his next case from?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:48 amBlacks of course being just one of the “vanguards of the revolution” that the cultural Marxists have drafted into their cause.
One can change one’s economic class. Although Barack Obama attended a church that believes, and writes in his own autobiography that he’s believed since childhood, that blacks who do change their economic class are “sellouts.”
But there are characteristics that one cannot change, such as skin color or ethnicity. Or one can be convinced one cannot change. So the cultural Marxists defined the proletariat in those terms. And then lied to them that the system is designed to discriminate against them based upon those characteristics.
Holder’s push about “racial profiling” must be seen in that light. It’s part of the cultural lie about how the system deliberately discriminates against blacks because they are black. If they adopted the Charles Barkley approach, i.e. simply told the truth and that Wilson was justified in shooting Brown because Brown was a lethal a$$hole, that wouldn’t advance the lie that black rage against the incorrigibly racist system is totally justified. Indeed, Brown was a product of their campaign of lies.
We’re only a hop skip and a jump away from Holder insisting that Brown was entitled to those cigarillos he took from that convenience store because of totally justified black rage over the Trayvon Martin shooting. It’s only our invisible white privilege that makes us see a thug who took something that doesn’t belong to him. The concept of property rights are just racist dog whistle codewords.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:49 am77. Patricia (5fc097) — 12/2/2014 @ 8:29 am
Obama doesn’t want that, Al Sharpton wants that.
And he wants that because he wants more crime.
It’s the only way to maintain safe districts for incumbent black politicians. Look at Washington D.C. Crime went down, other people moved in, and now a non-Democrat came closer than anyone else in along time in being elected mayor.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:53 amIn the St. Louis area, the chickens have already come home to roost!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/sunday-review/pain-is-colorblind.html?_r=0
AND ANOITHER THING:
It was one of his own clients, whom he was keeping out of jail, who killed his step-son!
Their chickens have been coming home to roost.
The mnotive here was probably the same kind of motive that motivated Michael Brown to attack the police officer.
Only in that case, the policeman had a gun, and he didn’t. In the bouncer’s case, the situation was reversed. Worse than a crime, Michael Brown’s assault on Police Officer Darren Wilson waa a blunder.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:02 amSteve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:49 am
Well, yes, but there’s probably something more to it.
The same anarchist ideology that motivated Jamal T. Martin’s fatal attack the other day against Herbert Burnett, the step-son of prominent criminal defense attorney Lynne R. Perkins, while he was acting as a bouncer in a bar.
And testosterone or othe steroid poisoining. Putting two and two togetehr, Michael Bown had probably been taking a ot of steroids to make himself a bigger football player. (Darren wilkson compared the difference in their strengths to that between a 5-yewar old and Hulk Hogan)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:14 am86. McWorter:
How does this sound:
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:24 am“Obama doesn’t want that, Al Sharpton wants that.”
Sammy – You should familiarize yourself with the DOE’s constitutionally suspect settlement with the Minneapolis School System on disciplining minority students. Perhaps Obama can plead he is unfamiliar with it again because his staff has shielded him from reading about it in the papers again. I call BS because it is exactly the kind of policy he pushes.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:04 pm“Putting two and two togetehr, Michael Bown had probably been taking a ot of steroids to make himself a bigger football player.”
Sammy – Did steroids appear in the toxicology report or are you just making this crap up?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:06 pmOur brilliant preezy continues to instruct us bitter clingers on the lessons of Ferguson:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/barack-obama-on-ferguson-young-people-feel-marginalized-distrustful-even-after-theyve-done-everything-right/
So naturally their rage is totally justified per McWhorter. Totally.
Let’s meet one of the marginalized and distrustful youths of Ferguson expressing his totally justified rage after he’s done everything right.
http://weaselzippers.us/206941-ferguson-rioter-tells-usa-today-it-feels-good-to-throw-rocks-at-police-officers/
This racial profiling has just got to stop. The poor dear is clearly being targeted by cops merely for the crime of driving while black.
I’m convinced that now that Preezy Prom Queen has lent his full weight to the effort of telling America what’s wrong with it, race crime hucksters and every one of their fabrications will be punch lines. Just like everything else this fuggup touches.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:09 pm“It feels good,” Perkins, 24, said. “I want to do what they did to me. I want to physically fight the police for all the stuff they have done to me.”…
Mostly peaceful criminal who has done everything right says FTP!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:12 pmPresident Obama says “Burn this bitch down” is an understandable sentiment and does not want law enforcement to overreact to mostly peaceful rioters and looters destroying Ferguson, which would only perpetuate and create more problems, because that is just not who we are.
I guess he believes we are a nation of thugs who can strong arm rob convenience stores, disobey lawful instructions of police and curse at law enforcement officers, and assault police officers with impunity because of who we are.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:19 pmThe preezy is going to make this whole Ferguson thingy beyond parody. This actually made it into the blogosphere as a real story. Like all good satire, it’s getting difficult to tell it apart from reality.
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/11/26/ferguson-protester-accidentally-burns-down-own-house/
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:21 pm“…Nevertheless sources say Jackson is considering filing a civil rights lawsuit against the fire department for not responding to the blaze.”
Steve57 – He nailed it. It doesn’t matter who started the fire. Racism caused his house to burn down.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:23 pmI hope Calypso Louie sets himself ablaze.
mg (31009b) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:28 pmDid steroids appear in the toxicology report or are you just making this crap up?
I don’t think anabolic steroids show up in toxicology. They are detected in athletes’ urine by the other hormones’ ratios.
In conclusion, we find that the urinary T/LH ratio is a more sensitive and specific test for a longer time for investigating AS use than is the urinary T/E ratio. Supporting this finding is the fact that, unlike the case for E, there are no commercially available FDA-approved LH products. This advantage alone makes the urinary T/LH ratio a considerably more practical screening test than the urinary T/E ratio.
It isn’t easy and detection at autopsy is impossible from what I know.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:28 pmNo, daley, we are not a nation of thugs who think we can do all that because of who we are.
Some of us are privileged whites who should learn that we must accept the fact that we don’t have the right to defend our lives or our property because of our legacy of racism and oppression. The very idea that we have rights that the oppressed have to respect is just a relic of our privilege.
http://www.thehoya.com/i-was-mugged-and-i-understand-why/
Like I said, it’s almost impossible to tell what’s satire and what’s not. You’d think that piece in The Hoya was a parody of liberals written by a conservative. No. Oliver Friedfeld, a senior in the School of Foreign Service, is serious. Liberals have become parodies. You’ve got to wonder what his parents think when they read that and then realize they’re paying $60/k a year to Georgetown for that.
Favored minorities are powerless. So they get to do what they want. Illegal aliens must be brought out of the shadows. While they remain in the shadows they get to meet with the Preezy at the WH or heckle Congress from the public galleries. Because Congress won’t act to bring them out of the shadows. And whites have unearned privileges. So they can’t complain when they’re mugged.
Privileged White Zemir Begic: “Hands up, don’t beat me to death with those hammers?”
Oppressed youth: “You white supremacists always think you can order people of color around. Here’s another whack for that.”
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:34 pmThey probably didn’t test for steroids.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:38 pm“Some of us are privileged whites who should learn that we must accept the fact that we don’t have the right to defend our lives or our property because of our legacy of racism and oppression.”
Steve57 – But if I’m not a Democrat and did not create and perpetuate that history of racism and oppression and them try to lie about my part in it for the past 50 years, why is it my freaking problem?
I know, white privilege.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:52 pm“They probably didn’t test for steroids.”
Sammy – So the answer is total, complete, absolute, speculation about steroids on your part.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:57 pmMike K – Thanks for the info.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:59 pmFrom the comments:
http://www.thehoya.com/i-was-mugged-and-i-understand-why/
daley, it is only your white privilege that makes you think you can have a valid opinion on privilege. You need a graduate of the ethnic and gender grievance studies dept. to explain the true nature of all those unearned privileges you carry around in your “Invisible Knapsack” of privilege.
It is the height of white supremacy for you to believe you cans say anything about white privilege. Only well-trained, authentic oppressed persons can even see your “Invisible Knapsack.” Who the eff do you think you are imposing your views of privilege on them from your perch of white privilege?
I denounce you and sentence you to 10 maoist struggle sessions or until you get your mind right about white privilege, whichever comes last. Also a $10k fine payable to Al Sharpton’s National Action Network.
Racist.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 1:09 pm“Only well-trained, authentic oppressed persons can even see your “Invisible Knapsack.” Who the eff do you think you are imposing your views of privilege on them from your perch of white privilege?”
Steve57 – You are 100% correct. I can’t even hear the damn dog whistles about my invisible privilege.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 1:13 pmSteve57 – All I know is we should not have 75% of our black youth who are not aborted locked up in jail by racist white police because that is not who we are as a nation.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 1:18 pmBarack Obama voxsplaining to Indian immigrant convenience store clerk why John McWhorter is right; his view that Michael Brown was just a “thug” who robbed his store is a “know-nothing” POV.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 1:23 pmAnother malt liquor summit, must be time for cash for clunkers II.
mg (31009b) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:04 pmNobody can tell if these people are serious or if they’re trolling the Ferguson protestors.
https://twitter.com/DefendWallSt/status/539561804238954497/photo/1
Either way, the guy in the middle is hilarious.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:14 pmJaleel Tariq Abdul-Jabbar, 46, faces three counts of making interstate threats to kill Darren Wilson.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/man-charged-threatening-kill-darren-wilson-n260106
elissa (4b8e7d) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:28 pmLooking at the comments, it does look like it was photo-shopped, with the letters for “ROBS A STORE” lifted from the rest of the sign, you can find an identical letter elsewhere.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:31 pm115. The pre-Photshopped sign in the middle said:
EVERY TIME HE
LEAVES HOME
(which is the mythology here)
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:34 pm117. MD in Philly (f9371b)
???
Where did they get the “B” in “ROBS” from?
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:39 pm94. 97. “They probably didn’t test for steroids.”
108. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 12:57 pm
No, as I said, it’s putting wo and two together.
It’s based on the following points:
1) Police Officer Darren Wilson claimed he felt that Michael Brown was extraordinarily strong.
2) In an attempt to make him out to be a liar, the Brown family lawyer said taht Michael brown wasn’t so big.
Meaning, that if Darren Wilson was telling the truth, his strength was unusual.
3) In other matters, Darren wilson appears to have bene telling the truth.,
4) Michael Brown was an offensive tackle in his high school football team.
5) A person who would rob a convenience store might be somewhat lkely to break other rules.
6) Michael Brown had criminal connections (his friend at least)
7) Athletes are known to take steroids.
8. Testing for steroids has probably not penetrated down to the unimportant public high school
level.
9) If he did take steroids, there would be no test showing it. So there’s no disproof.
10) Steroids might explain his attack on Officer Wilson. What steroids might do is make someone feel he couldn’t face “losing” a confrontation. And might also give him extra confidence.
11) Michael Brown probably felt he could outwit the policeman.
First, the surprise attack, then he comes back, and STOPS. And thinks he can then take the policeman by surprise. Brown knew that the kind of person who is most careful in the use of force is a policeman – that’s why he wasn’t so afraid.
And he did leave the policeman very little time at the end. All Darren Wilson could do was fire at what was in hs gunsight.
All he could do was shoot him in the head, or he’d get tackled, and who knows what would happen then?
Now I don’t know if this possibility is correct. But it is possible.
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:54 pmElementary.
What I’m looking for is some further proof.
Sammy Finkelman (0e8c82) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:56 pm“Now I don’t know if this possibility is correct. But it is possible.”
Sammy – As I said, pure total, complete, absolute, speculation about steroids on your part. Absolutely nothing above changes that.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 2:59 pm“Elementary.”
Wackadoodle
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:03 pmIRRC Sammy is the self same commenter who, on the night the grand jury announcement was made argued vociferously with me and others here that the named drugs the autopsy actually found in his system could not have caused Michael Brown’s bad judgement that affected his behavior in charging Wilson. Today Sammy is conjecturing it was steroids he was on? Because “something” must have made him attack officer Wilson? Good grief.
elissa (4b8e7d) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:11 pmelissa – That is because Michael Brown was a big kid and played football. QED – Steroids!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:19 pmNo, it means Brown had Wilson at a disadvantage. Brown caught Wilson when he was seated in his patrol vehicle; where he could use his weight to keep the door closed while using the strength of his entire body including his legs and hips to pummel Wilson.
Wilson, being seated, could only use his upper body strength. And he had to use his upper body strength to not only fight off Brown but to push open the door against Brown’s 300 lb. weight. And Wilson also had to fight off Brown while trying to reach a weapon.
Have you ever been in a fight, Sammy? Have you ever even played sports where you learn about putting an opponent at a disadvantage? Have you ever heard the term “position of strength?”
And you do realize that Brown’s lawyer was lying about Brown not being so big, right? 6’4″ and 292 is a very big man. Unless Wilson was a professional athlete Brown would have been stronger because of his sheer size advantage.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:22 pmIn an infinite universe, everything is possible. Except the sun shining over the Atlantic right now.
No, Sammy, not even if the sun goes nova.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:26 pmHmm. The more Teh Sammeh™ posts, the more I wonder if he isn’t a chatbot. I mean, chatbots are very literal. Not truly conscious.
My suspicion is based on the following points:
1. Chatbots at first seem like a genuine human person.
2. Chatbots have particular “blind spots” where they reveal that they are programmed to respond in, um, unusual ways.
3. Chatbots do not respond in a typical fashion in “conversation.”
4. Chatbot conversations are not truly conversations, but off kilter series of statements.
5. Chatbots are inconsistent yet appear to have great self confidence.
Here is an example of a real conversation I just had with a chatbot online:
Seems reasonable to me.
I mean, there is no proof otherwise.
Elementary.
Sammy, the above is a parody of your own, um, nontraditional thinking. The chatbot conversation is real.
So maybe you can post—once in a while—about a walk you took, or a meal you had, or a conversation you had with a friend. Because I really do not think you are a chatbot.
I wish you well.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 3:54 pmSammy, have you considered that Brown might have been addicted to computer games? Charge enough machine guns armed with a knife in that virtual reality and the “training” might lead to visions of immortality. Just a thought …
bobathome (348c8a) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:16 pmWhat does Michael Brown’s biological father look like? Genetics can’t possibly play a role here, can they?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:22 pmA long time ago in a place far away I picked a fight with somebody (bigger and stronger than me) because I’d seen a Takeshi Kitano movie the night before. Like I’ve been telling my daughter since she was four, the most stupid creature in existence is a teenage boy.
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:25 pmnk, my father put it differently: “Don’t let your mouth write checks you aren’t prepared to cash.”
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:02 pm129. bobathome (348c8a) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:16 pm
I don’t know if he would have had much experience with video games. They may cost money, and there are no video game stores any more. The trouble is we know very little about his him, or his real life. Any other incident this famous we know the whole story of his life. I think the family and others doesn’t want reporters ecxploring that, just like with Trayvon Martin. Unlike the case with Taryvon Martin, we really almost know nothing.
I’m kind of thinking he was used to football, where he faked other players out on the field. Let’s picture the action:
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:25 pmdon’t put the cart before the horse or you’ll be stopping by woods on a snowy evening trying to put the cart back where it’s supposed to be (behind the horse)
happyfeet (831175) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:29 pmAh, Sammy…
So I went to Google in Los Angeles, and you know what I found?
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Video+Game+Store&find_loc=Los+Angeles%2C+CA
Then I did the same thing for St. Louis.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=video+game+stores+st.+louis&rflfq=1&tbm=lcl
Why on Earth do you make these, um, thoughtless pronouncements so often?
Should we speculate the way you do as to your motives?
Sigh. I truly do wish you well.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:35 pm130. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 4:22 pm
Faher and mother of Michael Brown: http://q13fox.com/2014/08/18/michael-browns-mother-told-by-independent-investigators-son-did-not-suffer/
Both with Al Sharpton: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/michael-brown-dad-urges-day-of-silence-110307.html
I don’t know if we have a good picture of Michael Brown.
There is the store video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE
USA TODAY has some pictures: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:36 pmThen, just to be difficult, I googled video game stores in Ferguson itself.
http://www.yellowpages.com/ferguson-mo/video-games
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:38 pm135. Well, the place they used to have Asteroids in Caesar’s Bay Bazaar is closed for many years.
I don’t mean placs you can buy videogames. I mean places you can play them.
The ones in Missouri seem to be places you might buy some to play on your own computer.
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:40 pmThey are places like this:
http://www.yellowpages.com/listings/479811301/gallery?lid=1000116551263
Not places where you deposit quarters and play. Rather, you buy things to use at home.
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:43 pmAnyway, I think he got the idea from his football experience, which including faking out other players.
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:44 pmUm, Sammy?
I don’t mean to nitpick, but what you just wrote is in fact what you do frequently:
1. You make a broad generalization as if it is absolutely true.
2. You get called on it.
3. You wriggle like a worm on a hook for some time, insisting that you didn’t mean what you plainly wrote.
4. Then you move on to yet another overbroad and sometimes incorrect generalization.
You post a lot, Sammy. A lot. If you are going to post a lot, please consider your audience, and don’t pull bizarre nonsense from your hindbrain. You are a smart person, and I think you could offer a great deal to discussion.
But when you do silly stuff like this, it just makes people not take you seriously. Right?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/2/2014 @ 5:45 pmThere are tons of video arcades, Sammy. http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=arcades&find_loc=Saint+Louis%2C+MO
nk (dbc370) — 12/2/2014 @ 6:34 pmSammy – Was Michael Brown’s father a big guy too? What is your conclusion?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:31 pmBob, there are lots of people the Ferguson PD could investigate for inciting a riot. Why Brown’s stepfather, Louis Head?
Head may not have been talking about the city of Ferguson when he said he wanted the b***h burned. He could have been talking about a “b***h a$$” snitch.
The prosecutor raised some eyebrows when he said he was being generous and not charging any of the witnesses with perjury for lying to the grand jury. His generosity may be due to the fact that there was a lot of witness intimidation. The local thugs came up with the “hands up, don’t shoot” lie within minutes of the shooting and were threatening to enforce it.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370777-interview-witness-14-2.html
Things start getting interesting on page 22. And the stepfather, Head, comes onto the scene on 28 as the crime scene tape is going up.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:47 amThere are other witnesses they have to worry about.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:52 am143. daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 7:31 pm
I’m not talking about his size. I;m talkking about his muscle strenghth.
Neither one looks heavily muscled, but what would you see when it is covered by clothes? And maybe it just doesn’t show anyway.
The reason for bringing in steroids is that that might explain:
1) The claim by Darren Wilson that Michael Brown was extraordinarily strong (however, in any case it may have been a bit of an exaggeration, because he broke free.)
2) Michael Brown’s confidence in making an assault (in addition to the simple fact of knowing he was very strong, which of corse presupposes, that he was very strong.)
3) A possible inability to contemplate defeat.
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:44 amThe idea that he could win his confrontation with the police officer would not have come from any video games he might have seen – what video game anyway is like this, and what person imagines an ordinary person can do what an avatar in a video game can? – but from real life.
Real life football, where he tackled people, and often faked people out in order to do that.
And the sequence of events would indicate that two times at least Michael Brown made a sudden movement. The first time at the very beginning, when he reached into he car, and the second time – what I called the third down – when, after turning around and approaching Police Office Darren Wilson (the second down) he STOPPED – and then suddenly again, ran toward him, head down, from only about 8 or 9 feet away..
Sammy Finkelman (be1929) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:44 amReal life. But not football Sammy. Gangbangers train to take cops’ sidearms. I don’t know what Brown’s relationship with his stepfather was, but Louis Head is/was a member of the Bloods as well as a recently paroled felon. But considering the neighborhood, Brown wouldn’t have needed stepdad to hang out with gangbangers.
The fact that gangbangers so commonly try to take a cops weapon is the reason why cops use holsters with retention features. So they can survive the disarm attempts. The kind Wilson survived when Brown attacked him.
http://www.bluesheepdog.com/in-pursuit-of-the-ultimate-retention-holster/
It’s also why Wilson had to shoot. Brown had just shown himself to be such an extremely dangerous individual that Wilson couldn’t let him get near enough to try again.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:58 am“Real life football, where he tackled people, and often faked people out in order to do that.”
Sammy – I think you said Michael Brown’s role on his football team was Offensive Tackle.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:33 amSteve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:58 am
So that’s the thing they don’t want us to know.
The current issue of the New Yorker says
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/08/crimes-commissions That is only mentioned in order to say the people of that neighborhood can’t be responsible themselves for ending that.
Another thing totally misisng from all the news coverage I read. The only thing I read was that the Brown family didn’t want the news media saying bad things about Michael brown.
And they seem to have complied.
But knowledge of these bad things is necessary to understand what really happened, and to counter the lies.
Membership in a gang is probably then what encouraged Michael Brown to try this thing.
Sammy Finkelman (8cff4d) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:36 amdaleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:33 am
I know it is the quarterback who makes the main decisions, but doesn’t every person in a football team have to fake people out, and make them think he’s going some place else, and that he won’t tackle them if they go here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football_positions
Sammy Finkelman (8cff4d) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:41 am@Steve57 Gang connections make everything make a whole lot more sense.
Do they try to kill the policeman, too, or only steal his gun?
Of course the purpose of stealing the gun would be so that later on they’d have an untraceable gun for use ina murder plot.
I have always felt anyway hat Michael Brown did not want the cigars or cigarellos for himself, but was going to get money for them. (they would be used to make blunts for marijuana) He would have also sold the gun for money.
Where can I find out anything more about this?
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:55 amTheir role is primarily to block on both running and passing plays.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:43 am“I have always felt anyway hat Michael Brown did not want the cigars or cigarellos for himself, but was going to get money for them.”
To buy steroids?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:45 amU R having too much fun, daleyrocks.
elissa (89dd8a) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:59 amelissa – Admittedly, sometimes an Offensive Tackle has to fake somebody out, like when a Quarterback bunts a home run to him.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:02 amDaley, I’m glad you are having fun. It’s really kind of sad, to see this fellow rinse and repeat bizarre nonsense.
It really is like conversing with a chatbot.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:08 amDaley, I think that most people playing offensive tackle do so during doubles, if they can skyhook.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:09 amSimon – The penalty shots require mastering some deception techniques.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:15 amI think steroids and gender reassignment can both help such athletes.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:23 amSimon – I think of offensive linemen as the ballerinas of football, flitting so gracefully around the field.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:24 amDaley, I think that their clever use of strategy putting the birdie over the net is particularly impressive.
Especially with the heavy drug use.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:32 amI do not think Dick Butkus took steroids. But then he was on defense so maybe that’s not relevant to this discussion.
elissa (89dd8a) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:43 am“I do not think Dick Butkus took steroids. But then he was on defense so maybe that’s not relevant to this discussion.”
elissa – But how many times did Butkus win the Masters?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 10:58 amWow. Joe’s really been on a roll. I wonder if he’s got a cool new gig lined up somewhere.
From Mediaite
elissa (89dd8a) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:16 am== how many times did Butkus win the Masters?==
daley, Ima look that up on Wikipedia to be sure, unless Sammy gets there first– but initially my gut says “none”. I don’t think he particularly likes the color green.
elissa (89dd8a) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:27 amBut he was great in the 100 meter freestyle, elissa.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:39 amelissa – Joe has been drifting off the MSNBC plantation this week in a major way.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:47 amHe’s a UofI at Urbana-Champaigne alumnus too. Married since 1963. He’s 6’1″ they say. I wonder if he likes kielbasa. Polish people eat a lot of kielbasa. Butkus does sound like a Polish name. But Wikipedia says it’s Lithuanian. I thought all Lithuanian names ended in -as. Maybe it was Butkas or Batkas and the immigration officer at Ellis Island spelled it Butkus. Because b-a-t would sound like “bat” not “but”.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:53 amVery, very well done, nk. I am laughing myself silly. But you know who else your paragraph sort of reminds me of? The extemporaneous ramblings of our own soon to be retired Gov. Pat Quinn. (Although Pat usually works in something about the Mississippi River in his stream of consciousness blather.)
elissa (89dd8a) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:08 pmHe’s probably thinking of making another run for office. So he needs to start distancing himself from MSNBC now so he can fool voters into thinking he’s a conservative later.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:15 pm@ 152 Sammy asks:
The answer is, you just never know. Sometimes they’ll beat the cop so badly that he’s either dead at the time or later will be. That way they have all the time in the world to get the gun out of the holster. Sometimes they’ll use the gun to finish the cop off Mumia-style. And sometimes they’ll just leave the cop only slightly injured and run off with the gun. Experienced gangbangers usually try for the first or second outcomes.
The reporting on this case, and the Zimmerman case, has been completely otherworldly. It has been completely divorced from reality.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/11/25/Ezra-Klein-Can-t-Believe-Officer-Wilson-s-Story-Even-Though-Mike-Brown-s-Friend-Agrees-it-Happened
What have we learned, boys and girls? That Ezra Klein does not have a functioning bulls**t detector. It seems having that removed is a prerequisite for getting a job with the LHMFM, along with the lobotomy.
Juan Williams is another example of LHMFM lobots who wear as a badge of honor their unwillingness to learn anything, ever.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2013/07/16/hannity-guest-leo-terrell-berates-juan-williams-over-zimmerman-case
When you’re a shameless propaganda whore (hat tip to Mr. Feets) you’re incapable of being embarrassed.
I won’t go into the specifics of either case. Hands, fists, feet, and other body parts fall into the category of “personal weapons.” According to FBI crime statistics more people are killed by personal weapons annually than by rifles and shotguns combined. Concrete is a weapon. When your head hits concrete, whether you’ve been pushed, tackled, or your head is just being pounded into it by someone’s personal weapons you are in danger of losing your life. Cops can and are killed by “unarmed” (i.e. armed with personal weapons) teenagers. I could cite the case of a 17 year old who killed and was tried for capital murder for killing an El Paso cop while the Zimmerman case was ongoing. There were only two differences. Because both the cop and the perp were Hispanic the media couldn’t make it into a race case. And Zimmerman didn’t let 17 y.o. Martin do to him what 17 y.o. Juan Gonzalez did to Officer Molina. But Zimmerman could have just as easily been killed, and just as quickly.
Cops simply can not let themselves be beaten into unconsciousness or into incapacitation. No one can afford it. Don’t take this as legal advice, but almost universally deadly force is justified when you feel yourself going out. You’re not in the boxing ring or the octagon. You’re not in the schoolyard. There’s no ref or teacher to pull your assailant off of you. Once you’re out you are at your opponents mercy and they can and often will kill you.
Cops also can’t afford to let anyone get away with their gun. That person has just demonstrated that they are extremely dangerous, and now armed as well. Again, this isn’t legal advice but again almost universally that’s one of times when a cop is justified in using deadly force to apprehend a fleeing criminal. To protect others.
Not from the media, Sammy. The reason people like Klein and Williams remain in an obstinate state of ignorance is so that they can plausibly deny their distortion of the facts don’t constitute lies. If they remain ignorant of facts like the laws of self defense, then they can play innocent. But the fact is if people like Juan Williams have two years to learn between the Zimmerman/Martin and Wilson/Brown cases and studiously avoid every opportunity it means they are lying.
There are police discussion forums if you want to get a different, real-world perspective. That’d be a place to start.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:18 pmPeople will say that Zimmerman or Wilson didn’t look that badly injured. Therefore they’ll insist Zimmerman and Brown “murdered” their attackers without justification. Such people are talking out of their a@@es. Deliberate lies usually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epwlcUc2zU
Did Roman Simakov look “that bad?” I don’t see a mark on him. He died three days after they carried him out of that ring.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:27 pmAlso, police disarm attempts are quite common.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/3-Arrested-for-Beating-Cop-Trying-to-Steal-Gun-NYPD-273328741.html
http://www.lfpress.com/2014/11/02/suspect-charged-for-trying-to-take-london-police-officers-gun-during-fight
No cop can let that happen. In the US, at least, carry a back-up and use it.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:28 pmSteve57 – That dude from Ontario probably learned the moves to assault a police officer and take away his gun from playing soccer, where you have to learn how to fake people out, right?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:46 pmDaley, I’m sure it was badminton that gave him mad skillz and genius strategies in dealing with police.
It’s the chess of shuttlecock sports.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:38 pmSoccer is the world’s most dangerous martial art, daley. Soccer players should have to register themselves as lethal weapons with the poe-leese.
Steve57 (a4c7aa) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:55 pmSimon – Watching checkmate in badminton is one of the thrilling moments in all of sports viewing.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:55 pm