Today in Failed Criticism from the Left
[guest post by JVW]
How many of you have seen this recent image bouncing around the Internet? It was apparently created by the deep thinkers at NARAL Pro-Choice America and has been promoted by the DailyKos and Huffington Post among others.
The idea, naturally, is to call attention to the idea that Christian groups who object to covering contraception and/or abortifacients are somehow being hypocritical if they have no objection to also covering Viagra or other erectile dysfunction treatment medication.
I’m going to pull back the curtain here and divulge a hitherto super-secret and never disclosed principle of Catholic theology [did the sarcasm come through enough there?] which explains why covering Viagra is acceptable whereas covering birth control pills is not, and I think this principle is also adopted by other religious groups who follow the same standard:
Viagra is used to facilitate a process which can lead to conception.
Birth control pills are used to prevent conception.
It really is as basic as that, but somehow this simple concept is way beyond the comprehension of the gender politics warriors whose voices dominate public discourse in these matters.
– JVW
This past weekend, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York – who recently finished his term as President of the USCCB [United States Conference of Catholic Bishops] – went on NBC’s “Meet the Press” where he discussed, among other things, the Catholic bishops’ complicated relationship with the Affordable Care Act. His Eminence was very supportive of the law’s goals, pointing out that the Catholic bishops have supported health care reform since 1919. So he laments that the bishops’ initial excitement at the prospect of comprehensive health care reform was ultimately frustrated by the administration’s intransigence over abortion funding and the exclusion of immigrants. Then came the concerns over conscience protections…*
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:13 amIt seems to me that this is also designed to divide men from women, i.e. the drug for the man is covered, but the drug for the woman is not. Misogyny! War on Women! Patriarchy!
Steve (ddadf8) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:16 amMy God, Man –
have you no shame for hoisting these people up for ridicule over their dis-ingenuousness ?
Well Done!
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:17 amThe question arises: Are Condoms covered?
Of course, Hobby Lobby DID NOT object to health-care plans that provided BCP’s,
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:20 amit objected to having to provide abortifacients.
Yeah but Hobby Lobby’s insurance did cover birth control pills, as they well know. Just not known, purposeful abortifacient methods such as the IUD.
Do not trust anything NARAL says.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:23 amMy understanding is that standard birth control pills elicit no objection from the Hobby Lobby crew. Just IUDs and “morning after” drugs. So the image itself is deceptive and inaccurate.
But then, it’s not about the facts. It’s about Teh Narrative. Watch what happens when folks get hit over the head with this. They’ll deny it at first. Then they will say “yes, but…”
The truth is simple: if you can only defend what you believe by lying about what other people believe, you have no ethics or soul. Just anger.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:25 amMy understanding is that standard birth control pills elicit no objection from the Hobby Lobby crew.
Right. And I have seen several instances where this is pointed out to the people who post this image on Facebook, and the new pre-approved leftist/feminist talking point appears to be, “Yes, we aren’t specifically targeting Hobby Lobby; we are instead making a larger point about religious people who object to contraception.” That is why I didn’t mention Hobby Lobby in the post, and that is why I relied upon Catholic doctrine to make my point rather than any legal arguments that the Beckett Fund or any other litigant promoted.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:33 am“My understanding is that standard birth control pills elicit no objection from the Hobby Lobby crew. Just IUDs and “morning after” drugs. So the image itself is deceptive and inaccurate.”
^ nailed it. Hobby Lobby has no objection to paying for 16 of 20 contraceptives, only the 4 that are more properly termed “abortifacients” (although technically the “morning after pill”, the “week after pill” etc. *are* contraceptives, because contraceptives, by technical definition, are pills, devices, and methods that prevent pregnancy, which is also what abortifactients do).
Simon Jester Gets It (8f9204) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:35 amWell, the major difference between the 16 forms that Hobby Lobby accepts and the 4 that they reject is that the 16 are designed to prevent the fertilization of the egg, whereas the 4 are designed to prevent a fertilized egg from being implanted in the womb. If you believe that this fertilized egg represents a human life — which is a pretty standard belief across lots of religions — then the abortifacients become tools not to prevent pregnancy but to terminate it.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:40 amLiberal groups such as the LA Times are trying their best to confuse abortion with contraception.
AZ Bob (c949f7) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:44 amAlso, pregnancy is not a disease, but erectile dysfunction is.
Richard Harrington (47258e) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:47 amI think it’s actually the opposite – the mandate covers contraceptives, but only for women, NOT for men.
These people don’t want the truth. All they want is their free stuff.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:07 pmJVT – you really ought to add to your post that Hobby Lobby does cover birth control pills, otherwise someone could look at your post and believe their deliberate lie.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:09 pmWhat “Catholic theology” and “Catholic doctrine” have to do with American law is anyone’s guess.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:11 pmIt would be helpful if we distinguished between conception control and birth control. Abortion is birth control.
But then again, to these anti-science neandrathals, conception just happens – like cancer. So for them there is no conceivable difference.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:19 pmJVT – you really ought to add to your post that Hobby Lobby does cover birth control pills, otherwise someone could look at your post and believe their deliberate lie.
We kind of covered it yesterday in this post, so I don’t really want to rehash it. At this point, I think it is far more valuable to move the debate beyond Hobby Lobby and start discussing what it means to have deeply-held beliefs and under what circumstances government can compel you to violate them. It’s also important to push back against the leftist/feminist trope that Christians and conservatives hate sex and hate women and just want them to be baby incubators, because we all know that is where they are headed now that they have lost this round.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:20 pmLiberal groups such as the LA Times are trying their best to confuse abortion with contraception.
AZ Bob (c949f7) — 7/1/2014 @ 11:44 am
Those that attempt to do so need to be aborted.
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:25 pmWhat “Catholic theology” and “Catholic doctrine” have to do with American law is anyone’s guess.
Seriously, carlitos? Are you simpatico with the Obama Administration’s apparent belief that religious beliefs are only to be exercised for a couple of hours each Sunday, but otherwise have no business being a part of one’s everyday life? Should a business owned by observant Jews be forced to serve pork in the company cafeteria just because some non-Jewish employee wants a BLT for lunch?
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:26 pmWhat “Catholic theology” and “Catholic doctrine” have to do with American law is anyone’s guess.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:11 pm
You will not question Sharia, will you, when it comes to a neighborhood near you?
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:27 pmOK – and sorry I called you JVT!
We all know that being femal must now have nothing to do with potential motherhood. Because hate.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:31 pmWhat “Catholic theology” and “Catholic doctrine” have to do with American law is anyone’s guess.
Catholic theology says that you can’t make it to where certain birth control products are covered by the obamacares, Mr. Carlitos. So they had to clarify the law.
Now that the obamacares have been clarified satisfactorily, catholic theology says they have to clarify the law for so illegal immigrants can have the now-satisfactorily-clarified obamacares too.
Catholic theology ftw!
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:39 pmFalse equivalancy anyway.
Guess what, many Christian organizations have health plans that don’t cover a vasectomy, but there’s surprisingly little outcry over that…because??? Narrative!!!
Unknown Simian (ab9f13) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:48 pmI live in a country with separation of church and state. As such, neither Catholicism nor Islam should inform my laws. Call me crazy. I can’t buy beer before 11AM on Sunday because of Christians.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:49 pmthese ones put a LOT of thought into what’s best for you Mr. carlitos
you sound kind of ungrateful
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:51 pmNow that the obamacares have been clarified satisfactorily, catholic theology says they have to clarify the law for so illegal immigrants can have the now-satisfactorily-clarified obamacares too.
Point taken, but actually Catholic doctrine regarding immigration is far more complicated than that. When the U.S. Bishops call for amnesty and the like, they are basing their argument on Catholic notions of welcoming the immigrant, but they cannot and do not say that the Church teachings require open borders. So what the bishops are actually expressing is a policy preference, and unfortunately they muddle it greatly by holding several contradictory points at the same time. In that way, the Church like the Obama Administration bears some responsibility for the nightmare surge of children at the border.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:52 pmvery nicely and cogently put Mr. JVW
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:56 pmI can’t buy beer before 11AM on Sunday because of Christians.
That is not always the case. In a lot of instances (Massachusetts’ old Blue Laws being the one with which I was the most familiar) it was the restaurant and bar lobbies that worked to make sure liquor couldn’t be sold on Sundays. They knew that if you were suddenly out of beer on Sunday you would have no choice but to head out to their establishments. In the same way, the old prohibition which limited department store hours on Sunday between noon to 6:00 pm was supported partly by religious organizations, but even more so by labor advocates who liked the fact that stores paid employees for a full 8-hour day for working a 6-hour Sunday shift.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:58 pmbut… but penis!
Colonel Haiku (384bf5) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:10 pmI live in a country with separation of church and state. As such, neither Catholicism nor Islam should inform my laws. Call me crazy. I can’t buy beer before 11AM on Sunday because of Christians.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 12:49 pm
Sure you can, carlitos… just move to a different state.
Colonel Haiku (384bf5) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:12 pmwhat if ED is God’s way of telling you that you shouldn’t have children? then you are subverting the will of God?
EHM (209895) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:17 pmTeh Good Lord picks larger things to “strike down”…
Colonel Haiku (384bf5) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:19 pmNo judgements made…
Colonel Haiku (384bf5) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:20 pmRIP hard-on
Colonel Haiku (384bf5) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:22 pmI never got how the government was given the authority to tell business owners what insurance to offer their employees, religious or otherwise. These are private companies hiring free citizens, at least they used to be.
This has nothing to do with birth control, but it has everything to do with control.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:29 pmIf we have separation of church and state, then how is it that the gov’t gets to order religious organizations around re: health insurance, but religious organizations cannot order the gov’t around?
IF we have true separation of church and state. Right?
SGT Ted (eed28b) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:40 pmThey value free contraception. They believe in it. And they are self-righteous about it, demonizing anyone whose values differ from theirs.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:51 pmInterstate commerce, I imagine. Though since the market for health insurance is decidedly not interstate, which is one of its main problems, that seems ripe for challenge.
Milhouse (d22d64) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:52 pmDo you really think it’s possible to subvert His will? If He doesn’t want you to have children, you won’t. No matter how hard you try. Vl@gr@ no more subverts His will than umbrellas, or food for that matter (“perhaps hunger is His way of telling you you should die, and by eating you are subverting His will”).
Milhouse (d22d64) — 7/1/2014 @ 1:53 pmSee how tolerant they are, how they seek to understand and live at peace in a diverse country, by legislating (or in this case regulating) their contraceptive feminist views on everyone.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 7/1/2014 @ 2:02 pmWhat “Catholic theology” and “Catholic doctrine” have to do with American law is anyone’s guess.
mark (59e563) — 7/1/2014 @ 2:59 pmCarlitos,
Sounds like you understand the separation of church and state about as well as you understand global “warming.”
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 3:16 pmexcept for the fact that Hobby Lobby covers both the right and the left side of that picture they might have had a point …
JeffC (8ad636) — 7/1/2014 @ 3:17 pmIt is clear that many are going to make political hay out of this, and truth or the law be damned.
But it seems to me you need to fight fire with fire.
The whole problem with the Hobby Lobby case in the first place is that employers are involved in providing their employee’s health insurance, and then Obamacare micromanages that decision. That is where you get friction between what Obama’s minions think is a good insurance plan, and Hobby Lobby’s religious objections.
So here is a radical idea: decouple health insurance from employment. Health insurance should be purchased by the employee, just like auto, home and other forms of insurance are. (You want to make it economically palatable, allow the employee to deduct the costs of insurance from taxes. Today you cannot do that, but employer-provided insurance is not subject to income tax.) This way, the Hobby Lobby’s of the world have no religious problems — they pay their employees a salary, and the employees can purchase the health insurance they want or need, with or without contraceptive coverage.
Of course, that would mean abolishing Obamacare. Which I consider a feature, not a bug.
Bored Lawyer (a0043c) — 7/1/2014 @ 3:37 pmBored Lawyer, I would farther than that. I think taxes should be due the day before national elections. Oh, and no withholding.
It would take care of most of our problems.
Your idea is a good one. Too many folks are passive, and seem to want Sugar Daddy Boyfriend to pay for all their stuff. I mean, when I hear that something is “free,” I cringe. It sure cost someone something!
Making people make choices is good. It encourages ownership.
But sadly, I think that is no longer a popular philosophy today.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 7/1/2014 @ 3:44 pm“His Eminence was very supportive of the law’s goals, pointing out that the Catholic bishops have supported health care reform since 1919. So he laments that the bishops’ initial excitement at the prospect of comprehensive health care reform was ultimately frustrated by the administration’s intransigence over abortion funding…”
I did get some pleasure from seeing Catholics who supported the imposition of this socialist program suddenly unhappy when something was imposed on them. Remember Mencken’s quip that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard”? Sometimes I think that the Catholic Church should get socialism “good and hard” until it gets a (multiple expletives) clue. But I fear that that may not happen until pigs fly.
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:14 pmgood and hard like a super under-ripe cantaloupe or like one of those things they make out of metal
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:18 pmor stone
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:19 pmThat is a great idea, Bored Lawyer. Real wages would increase and as people started to shop for healthcare (or not) insurance rates would decline – in an ideal world. I would push such a course of action since I own a business. But I’ll tell you what. Health insurance is never going to be decoupled from work without a total burned-to-the ground failure of the model.
Both government and Insurance companies thrive on the coupling -it is a source of great power and control. At the same time evil, greedy, business owners get stuck with part of the bill. What is not to like?
And yes, the moral objections from business owners would mostly cease. I say mostly because we will always have sinners who love to break the eight commandment by wanting to tell/force other people how to spend or not spend their hard-earned or “free” money.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:21 pmhappyfeet: For maximal entertainment I favor the Monty Python Fish Slapping Dance, done with a sawfish.
pst314 (ae6bd1) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:34 pmLOL. Keep in mind that miscarriages are God’s abortions, and you’ll note that the biggest abortionist ever is the Christian god. Also, try to think about baseball.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:35 pmED is nature’s way of telling you you shouldn’t have children. Because you are too goddamn old or too sick to raise them properly.
nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:40 pmCarlitos,
I love how when miscarriages occur, you blame God.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:42 pmBut when hot summers and cold winters occur, you blame
GodSUVs.Go ahead and knock the Catholic church all you want. She can take it. No offense taken. The Church’s mission is to spread the good news and see to the shepherding of every soul on the planet; something both awesome and terrifying to contemplate – but to actually attempt? Considering she has witnessed the birth and presided over the funeral of many hostile regimes, I’m going to go with big Momma.
The USCCB is a bunch of single men who haven’t been on a date in forever – they’re gonna make mistakes.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:43 pmMr. pst314 I don’t even understand why the right thinks this is a big victory and the left thinks this is a stinging defeat…
What the pervert Roberts court did was to remove the one thing what’s kept the Catholic Church from wholeheartedly supporting the horrifyingly oppressive and arbitrary obamacares what are so very much like a boot stamping on a human face forever.
The coalition what supports this fascist enterprise grew stronger as a result of this ruling, not weaker.
It’s very scary.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:44 pmmister happy,
if you hope really hard for the Democrat Senator in MS to get elected in November, then everything will improve.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:51 pmor so i hear.
Not to worry, Mr. Feet. The Obama types strong-arming Catholic hospitals to perform abortions and gender reassignment surgery will keep the Church’s leadership from wholly embracing the ACA.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:52 pm“What the pervert Roberts court did was to remove the one thing what’s kept the Catholic Church from wholeheartedly supporting the horrifyingly oppressive and arbitrary obamacares what are so very much like a boot stamping on a human face forever”.
You are kidding, right? The Catholic church does not even allow for the use of condoms as contraception, and you think the Church will now wholeheartedly support this?
Go buy some tasty vittles – and make sure you bring back enough for everybody.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:53 pmThe Catholic Church has obviously deviated from its its spiritual path and has immersed itself in worldly, material things such as “Who has food?”, “Who has clothes?”, “Who has a place to sleep?”, no different than the godless communists.
nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:54 pmi knew about the abortion thing – Catholics are notoriously opposed to abortion, if you can believe the news
but they have a thing about gender-reassigning surgeries really?
i’d think you’d go to a specialist for that sort of thing anyways, and they’d have a hospital they’ll want you to use anyways
it’s not one of those things where you just go to wherever’s closest like appendicitis or kidney stones
but what’s the theological conundrum about tranny surgeries?
it’s not like we want these ones to reproduce really
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:56 pmI don’t know about girl to boy, but in the old days boy to girl would be in the choir or made bishops.
nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:58 pmnk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:54 pm
Right on, nk! Stick it to the “man”.
“Catholics are
notoriouslyvaliantly opposed to abortion”FIFY
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:01 pmi’d think you’d go to a specialist for that sort of thing anyways, and they’d have a hospital they’ll want you to use anyways
it’s not one of those things where you just go to wherever’s closest like appendicitis or kidney stones
Hospital beds and operating rooms under ObamaCare are going to be in ridiculously short supply. Once all the other options are exhausted, the ObamaCare commissars are going to start demanding that St. Mary’s Hospital cough up an operating room for gender reassignment or lose their reimbursements for hip replacements.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:03 pmChristians actually embrace gender reassignment surgery. What do you think the code words “born again” refer to?
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:03 pmWhen you’re ready to start debating honorably and without bald faced lies, let everyone know. It’ll shock everyone if you ever start doing that.
John Hitchcock (8bea9d) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:06 pmi think Mr. felipe was just joshin there Mr. H
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:09 pmJohn Hitchcock #64,
I’m pretty certain our friend Felipe was just making a funny play on words with the “born again” thing. Nothing to overreact about.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:10 pmThis is in part Alito’s fault for not making clear up front that the decision did not cover contraceptives that could not block implantation. He says “contraceptives” a lot of times when from context he means that limited set, and it is an easy thing to twist or pretend confusion over.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:13 pmAlright, wrong felipe then. Mea culpa.
John Hitchcock (8bea9d) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:14 pmAnyway, my knee-jerk reaction to the posted photo is that it is a dig against “insurance inequality”, not about religion or even obamacare. I think that the image is tied to a dated mind-set and will fall flat to the pajama boy crowd.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:14 pmYes, John. I was making a funny. Good to know that there are good men such as yourself lurking about. I should have put a /DIRNTST? at the end.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:18 pmThat’s a good point, felipe: it is an old meme, dredged up again in the wake of the Hobby Lobby decision. Another rerun from the classics vaults of the left.
JVW (feb406) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:20 pmDear America,
Did you hear about the Supreme Court ruling ?
They ruled that employees of Hobby Lobby will no longer have their sex paid for.
signed,
Low Information Voter
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:29 pmI don’t know about girl to boy, but in the old days boy to girl would be in the choir or made bishops.
nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:58 pm
Or… a Grammy-award winning musical act or singer of show tunes!
Colonel Haiku (976083) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:32 pmcarlitos, Sharia supersedes all civil and criminal law….deal with it.
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:33 pmHyperbole Clinton is as clownish as they come.
Colonel Haiku (976083) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:33 pmBored Lawyer (a0043c) — 7/1/2014 @ 3:37 pm
Funny, that’s what John McCain said in ’08….You voted for him, right?
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:36 pmGet yer rosaries out of teh ovaries!
Colonel Haiku (4a65e2) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:38 pm#77. LOL, good one, colonel.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:38 pmCould you use a rosary as an IUD?
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:40 pmDear Colonel Haiku per #73,
I composed a number of award winning showtunes, and I assure you I was a total ladies’ man. Now, regarding my friend Cole—that’s a different story altogether.
signed,
George Gershwin
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:43 pmWell they used a Crucifix as a urinal soap.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:43 pmWhat gall… er, totally pisses me off is how the Left tells lie upon lie upon lie, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year AND NEVER GETS CALLED ON IT BY THE MSM.
I should have gotten over this by now, but I haven’t yet, with no end in sight.
Colonel Haiku (abcba6) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:44 pmEverybody: That’s a different story.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:44 pm#78… that was the substance of an actual dumb-ass tweet by one of these “ladies”, felipe. I’m kind of glad I won’t be around in another 20 years, I couldn’t take the inevitable result of this moronic madness.
Colonel Haiku (abcba6) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:50 pmFunny, that’s what John McCain said in ’08….You voted for him, right?
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:36 pm
YES.
Bored Lawyer (710e31) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:50 pmI get a kick outta you, ES.
Colonel Haiku (abcba6) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:52 pmColonel, I think the response to those who used that nonsense was pretty good.
Some woman tweeted back that they need to keep their vag*nas out of her wallet.
John Hitchcock (8bea9d) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:52 pmThat IS good!
Colonel Haiku (abcba6) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:56 pmJohn Hitchcock (8bea9d) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:52 pm
LOL!
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 5:59 pmChanging teh World, one Giant Vagina at a time!
Colonel Haiku (7ce80a) — 7/1/2014 @ 6:01 pm@ Kevin M.,
Why not be specific every time he mentioned it? Did he realize the confusion and conflation of terms that undefined usage would cause? Is he unfamiliar with b.c. on the whole, perhaps given his own practice of Roman Catholicism? Or, just an oversight?
Dana (4dbf62) — 7/1/2014 @ 6:06 pmcarlitos (c24ed5) — 7/1/2014 @ 4:35 pm
You have a basic misunderstanding there, carlitos.
God is God.
Humans are not.
I imagine that when God allows a miscarriage, the soul of the unborn child joins Him in Heaven.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/1/2014 @ 6:09 pmThat is a bit different than a person dumping the remains of what was once an unborn child, killed probably for the sake of someone’s convenience, and nothing more.
re: #87, I think it was a well-known Conservachik but without remembering her name or other certainties, I relegated her to “some woman” status. Because, if my recollections are correct, she certainly is some woman eleventy
John Hitchcock (8bea9d) — 7/1/2014 @ 7:07 pmEven if the above is true, so what?
Switch insurance companies if you do not like the coverage.
Michael Ejercito (becea5) — 7/1/2014 @ 7:15 pmThe whole contraceptive mandate issue is eerily similar to the issue of pharmacist’s refusing to hand out morning after pills despite their employer’s wishes, and despite the fact that their employer never agreed to exempt them from handing out morning after pills. Many of these pharmacists wanted to get the law involved, to either prevent their employers from firing them, or to forbid other pharmacies from refusing to hire pharmacists who will not hand out morning after pill.
Here is the solution:
If you are a pharmacist and you do not like that your employer requires you to hand out morning after pills, work somewhere else.
If you are a pharmacist and you do not like the fact that your employer does not provide health coverage that includes contraception, work somewhere else.
Such an elegant solution; no need to get government involved.
Michael Ejercito (becea5) — 7/1/2014 @ 7:29 pmOr take the morning after pill monopoly away from pharmacists? Let the grocery, the convenience store and the gas station sell it?
nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 7:37 pmI’m thinking “gumball” machines, nk.
felipe (960c75) — 7/1/2014 @ 7:56 pmThere are other things that happen to men that are not covered, just like certain birth control treatments. It isn’t as though men get a total free ride with healthcare.
Denver Todd (891fa0) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:40 pmthe important thing is that every child is loved
except for the ones what people put on death trains and end up in squalid disease-ridden american death camps
happyfeet (8ce051) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:40 pmThis was, more or less, the McCain/Palin platform in 2008. And it’s pretty much what I came up with about 30 years ago, except that I’d go further and make self-provided health insurance tax deductible, and employer-provided health insurance not deductible. That would quickly force almost all employers out of the business of providing health insurance, and therefore force the insurance companies to compete for the individual market, instead of saying it’s too complicated and they’d rather not deal with it. I might even go further, and by Congressional fiat turn all existing employer-provided group policies into individual policies.
Milhouse (b95258) — 7/1/2014 @ 9:56 pmForget miscarriages and abortions; every person who dies of “natural causes” was killed by God. For that matter, every person who dies, of any cause whatsoever, was ultimately killed by God. That doesn’t justify murder. The whole point of the prohibition on murder is that He gets to decide when someone’s time has come; we don’t.
Milhouse (b95258) — 7/1/2014 @ 10:00 pmBTW, when does the Severability Clause kick-in for BarryCare?
askeptic (8ecc78) — 7/2/2014 @ 1:25 amMilhouse (b95258) — 7/1/2014 @ 10:00 pm
That was very well said, Milhouse.
felipe (960c75) — 7/2/2014 @ 3:08 amLost in the chatter here is the historical effectiveness of the Left’s MO. They are very well aware that far too many people pay attention only to headlines or soundbites. They’re trying replicate what has worked so well in the past to: 1) make a narrow and measured ruling seem extreme; 2) for the purpose of, creating knee jerking reactions at the voting booth. Anyone who’s actually read Justice Alito’s decision knows it bears little resemblance to the hyperbole spewed forth in the media. I’m left wondering if the Dissent actually read it themselves or had it synopsized by the overly eager and biased law clerks. Because this policy has worked so well for the Left in the past (e.g. Sarah Palin’s Russia “quote” http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp, and Ronald Reagan’s ketchup is a vegetable “quote” http://ketchupisavegetable.com/?page_id=20), they’re fairly confident that it will work again. I fear they’re onto something.
Lorem Ipsum (cee048) — 7/2/2014 @ 5:48 amMilhouse (b95258) — 7/1/2014 @ 10:00 pm
Agreed, Milhouse,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/2/2014 @ 6:04 ambut I was putting it in a way that I thought reflected the intent of the action.
Sort of like cutting through the skin with a knife,
when a surgeon does it with the person’s permission, it is generally a “good thing”,
when a thug does it wanting to steal your money, not so much.
So true, Lorem Ipsum.
In todays world, lies have lapped the earth multiple times and infiltrated the consciousness of way too many folk before truth gas even gotten out of bed, it seems.
In part, this is true because people are happy to have it so.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/2/2014 @ 6:08 amThousands of years ago I believe Solomon wrote in Proverbs that you may think you know something after hearing one side of the story, but stick around and hear the other side before you come to a conclusion and act.
We don’t do that very well, and some of us who professionally should do that, the media, would rather let the truth be eclipsed for a number of reasons.