Another Problem with ObamaCare in California: People Can’t See a Doctor
I recently debunked the idea that California is doing great on health care insurance. Not so, despite announcements that an enrollment target had supposedly been met. Here’s another issue: just because you’re enrolled doesn’t mean you get to see a doctor.
One viewer said she did months of research before picking the plan that Blue Cross recommended. But it’s still been a nightmare.
Katherine Cadman says her emails and calls aren’t getting anywhere. She says she signed up for an Anthem Blue Cross Plan, but doctors keep refusing to see her.
“It’s just not right,” she said. “It does make you feel like you’re a second-class citizen.”
See, doctors don’t like the reimbursement rates, so many refuse to see ObamaCare patients (just like they refused to see Medicare patients). The government has not forced doctors to see these patients.
Yet.
Ed Morrissey says:
The laws of supply and demand, and cost and pricing, do not get wished away or legislated out of existence.
Yet.
When Belgium nationalized health care in the 50’s the country was involved in a bloody colonial war in the Congo. Understanding clearly that they had to get the Doctors on board the Government offered them a choice. Sign up for the health service or be drafted and sent to the Congo as foot soldiers.
Glenn (647d76) — 2/21/2014 @ 8:50 amAh, the good old days, Glenn. Each according to his ability to each according to his need, when the Revolution was still young and rosy-fingered Utopia lit the beautiful horizon of Socialism.
nk (dbc370) — 2/21/2014 @ 8:59 amWhen I took my son to see his pediatrician a few months ago, I ask: “So doc, what do you think of Obamacare?” The otherwise cheerful doctor responded: “You mean the Afordable Care Act? I don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see.” Okay.
Then, more, recently I asked my own physician the same question and got an identical response. It left me wondering if these guys are reading from the same script. The question seemed to deflate both of them.
I take this as a bad sign.
We’re Californians too.
ThOR (130453) — 2/21/2014 @ 9:37 amFrom the article:
Are these two different statements, or can he refuse to see a new patient only if he cancels his contract?
Or maybe he can limit himself to existing patients? Or he can refuse anyone, but must give non-financial reason? Or what?
This is verging on consumer fraud, certainly without a notice that these doctors may or may not agree to treat you.
Sammy Finkelman (3015b5) — 2/21/2014 @ 9:42 amMNSure has an advert on their success clogging the breaks between Olympic coverage.
This youngish lady got a brain tumor and couldn’t return to work. Hubby evidently can’t cover her either.
She recounts discovery of the MNSure option, she “couldn’t believe it was real”.
Guess what, dearie? Don’t think about saving for retirement. You’ll owe your soul to the company store.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/21/2014 @ 9:47 amThen there’s the Covered CA tack of listing doctors as participating when there’s no contract in hand.
Ooopsie. Obama happens.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/21/2014 @ 9:52 amNo offense, but (yeah, I know) is this an Obamacare problem or a California problem? We are talking about a state that’s dysfunctional in just about everything, after all.
nk (dbc370) — 2/21/2014 @ 10:20 amMeanwhile, the website has been down for about 2 days.
https://www.coveredca.com/maintenance/
JoeH (7b5d32) — 2/21/2014 @ 10:28 amShockah! People discover that health insurance and health care aren’t the same thing, despite the fact that Pelosi/Reid/Obama & Co. deliberately conflated the two.
https://www.coveredca.com/
Steve57 (a7ff60) — 2/21/2014 @ 10:46 amObama sees that as a model for the nation. No, it’s not just Kali’s problem anymore.
Steve57 (a7ff60) — 2/21/2014 @ 10:47 amI dunno, Steve. I think there will be a lot more “men” seeking OB/GYN care in San Francisco than in Chicago.
nk (dbc370) — 2/21/2014 @ 10:52 amnk, I think you’re wrong.
True, SF is the #1 LGBT friendly city in the US. But Chicago makes it onto the list at #12.
http://www.ranker.com/list/most-gay-friendly-cities-in-america/carlybobarly
And also SF has about 30% of the population of Chicago. So I figure in absolute terms more men will be seeking OB/GYN care in the Windy City than in Baghdad by the Bay.
Steve57 (a7ff60) — 2/21/2014 @ 11:13 amPost today from one of my Internet friends re OBcare:
“Heathcare nightmare story: I have a client who just told me that she has been battling her health insurance (they are military, so it is a government policy) since last October. She had a hip replacement in August 2013. Her doctor’s office got full approval before the surgery. In October they denied coverage. Yesterday, they demanded a refund for all the bills they accidently paid. When she called the insurance company, she was told, “We are the government, we can do anything we want.”
“You should be frightened. Very frightened.”
Judy Eaton (aee826) — 2/21/2014 @ 11:49 amI’ll have you know that we in California have a wealth of veterinarians. Problem solved!
Colonel Haiku (f5f7a0) — 2/21/2014 @ 11:55 amLGBT friendly city
T’s are just tacked on the end there like a sewed-on fake penis made out of ass cartilage or god knows what but they don’t really belong in the same group as the L’s and the G’s and the B’s
happyfeet (c60db2) — 2/21/2014 @ 11:56 amgirls will be boys and
Colonel Haiku (f5f7a0) — 2/21/2014 @ 12:01 pmboys will be girls a mixed up
muddled shook up world
Even before this obamination, in-network doctors sometimes did not accept new patients. The insurance companies would list “accepting new patients” on their site as a search criterion.
Now, whether they could accept new patients from some plans and not others is unclear and probably detailed in the plan or master contract they had with the insurer. The web sites do list doctors by plan and not just “takes Blue Cross” as BC has a number of plans and networks, but it can be hard to impossible to find this out ahead of time.
When searching for a plan for my wife, I selected Blue Cross not because of what they said, but because the largest and most complete provider in my area (UCLA Healthcare) said on THEIR website that they would accept BC CoveredCA plans.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 2/21/2014 @ 1:49 pmJust to be annoying, you should create LGBTV, for vegitarian.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 2/21/2014 @ 1:50 pmvegetarian.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 2/21/2014 @ 1:51 pmThen, more, recently I asked my own physician the same question and got an identical response
The reason you got that response was that the insurance companies wouldn’t give them a straight answer about contract terms at least as late as last October. They really DID have to wait and see.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 2/21/2014 @ 1:54 pmnk,
This is likely a user problem. She looked at the website and selected some other non-ACA plan’s network when she was “doing her research.”
It’s mostly just trying to blame the insurance companies for the narrow networks.
“Good, fast, cheap. Pick any two”
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 2/21/2014 @ 1:57 pmall large projects fall under the same rule
on time
on budget
it w*rks
you can have any 2 of the 3 options.
with ACA, they selected “none of the above”… 😎
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/21/2014 @ 2:21 pmYeah, surprise, surprise. So much pundit and politician talk about insurance — I kept thinking , but what about medical care? Ha. Who could have seen this coming?
SDHarms (f76bf1) — 2/21/2014 @ 4:32 pmShe said she’s a second-class citizen.
We’re all second-class citizens.
AZ Bob (533fbc) — 2/21/2014 @ 8:46 pmYou appear to have missed the bolding, the italics, the double underlines, AND the chomping-at-the-bit anticipatory ellipses…
Glad I could help….
Smock Puppet, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/22/2014 @ 12:54 amWell, that IS, after all, the government version: “The [Government] Rule of All Large Projects”.
With a few random exceptions (Apollo is the only one I can think off the top of my head) that IS the SOP for large gummint projects.
Smock Puppet, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/22/2014 @ 1:01 ami didn’t spend all that time on sci.military.naval for nothing.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/22/2014 @ 3:14 amillegitimi
Colonel Haiku (ec37e2) — 2/22/2014 @ 4:47 amnon carborundum I plead
they will wear you out!
Colonel, they should make a movie starring Matt Damon and call it Grinders.
felipe (6100bc) — 2/22/2014 @ 6:15 amMatt… Daymun
Colonel Haiku (ec37e2) — 2/22/2014 @ 6:19 amAffordable Care Act.
It is not Affordable. There is little or no Care. But it is Act I in the continuing “transforming” of the nation into something none of us will recognize.
navyvet (aca3d3) — 2/22/2014 @ 8:56 am#15
steveg (794291) — 2/22/2014 @ 10:37 amhf- that was funny.
except now under Obamacare and the Holder DOJ if ass cartilage gets wedged into too tight of a spot and detaches it could be both a pre-existing condition and a hate crime
It sounds that if there is anything more ridiculous than ObamaCare, it is expecting that the “salad bowl of America” will spring back to life when global warming is stopped.
I wonder If the President knows what is going to happen to the price of arugula? Actually, dumb question, I’m sure he doesn’t care, he’s the president and can get whatever he wants.
Anybody remember the Beef shortage back in the early 70’s, and how some DC butcher made the headlines for refusing to sell steak to the Nixon WH for some state dinner?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/22/2014 @ 10:48 amYeah, back in the days when the President was not treated as Emperor.
I’ve been trying to get through to my insurance (Blue Shield) company to argue for coverage.
The system makes me jump through a long series of voicemail hoops, the hoops that involve a spoken response like: “Say your date of birth..” so I do this as told and the stupid machine keeps confusing “sixty” with “fifty”. When I do get through to the next level I once waited on hold for over an hour only to hear a voice tell me that due to the volume of calls… and the robot b**** hung up on me.
Under my new “better” policy:
My Doctor is covered, the procedure he needs to do is approved and covered, but the surgery center he is contracted with is not covered. I am supposed to make the Doctor break his contract and use another surgery center.
Granted he is probably part owner of the center he is contracted to, but this is not working for me.
So in this case I like my Doctor and can keep him unless I need something beyond a check up… in which case I need to get another Doctor to do the brief outpatient procedure at an approved center.
Thank you Mr. Obama for being the smartest President ever
steveg (794291) — 2/22/2014 @ 10:54 amI’m so sorry, steveg, and it’s no consolation to know that you’re not alone in the problems you face. I hope you can somehow work it out.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/22/2014 @ 11:11 amAll pretense is dropped:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/02/22/obamacare-now-enrolling-inmates-to-boost-numbers-102299?
gary gulrud (384f70) — 2/22/2014 @ 11:21 ami wasn’t aware there was ever a pretense…
from my POV they started out at “fraud” and went south from there.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/22/2014 @ 11:50 amThis blog post quotes all of a Wall Street Journal op-ed piece today. Also read the first comment.
http://www.seraphicpress.com/the-cancer-that-is-obamacare/#more-20752
The blog owner also compares this to the situation to what it was when it happened with his son, before Obamacare.
I will just give two quotes.
From the Op-ed piece:
From a comment:
(the disease in that case is Multiple Sclerosis)
Sammy Finkelman (6a010c) — 2/24/2014 @ 5:45 pm