Jobs Report Terrible; Meanwhile, Democrats Reject Measures Designed to Make Sure People Work
We have yet another dismal jobs report: only 113,000 new jobs added last month. It’s well short of what is needed to keep up with population growth, which means more and more unemployed people all the time. AP calls this “surprisingly weak,” but I have no idea why. The Democrat policymakers holding our economy hostage have demands, and all of them contribute to higher unemployment: extension of unemployment benefits, a higher minimum wage, and the biggest job killer of them all: ObamaCare.
Why, it’s almost as if they want an increasing number of unemployed people who will have to rely on the government for survival.
Crazy talk, you say? Then why are they opposing measures designed to make sure people actually work?
A second attempt to restore benefits for the long-term unemployed failed in the Senate on Thursday — just shy of clearing a key procedural hurdle.
The 58-40 cloture vote on the $6 billion measure to extend jobless aid (which lapsed at the end of December) for three months to roughly 1.7 million Americans delivered a blow to a key Obama administration agenda item, as the president pushed for an extension in his State of the Union address last month.
. . . .
“Rather than work with us to find common ground, the majority leader once again chose to reject our ideas and block action on amendments to improve and pay for this legislation,” said Republican Sen. Dan Coats, whose home state of Indiana has an unemployment rate above the national average. Coats proposed an amendment to bar the unemployed from receiving benefits if they turned down a job offer or chose not to apply for a job referred by the state employment agency.
So: Republicans are saying that people taking unemployment have to try to get jobs, and can’t turn them down if they are offered. And Democrats are rejecting that proposal. Why would that be?
Majority Leader Harry Reid pledged to bring the measure back again, and switched his vote to “no” in a procedural motion to return to the issue, which Democrats see as integral to their 2014 midterm messaging in light of favorable public opinion on extending the benefits.
Ah. Politics. No fun telling people that they have to actually try to get work, and take it if it’s offered.
So no, AP, it’s not “surprising” that unemployment is still a disaster under these people. Apparently, it’s all part of the plan.
Hoping to beat Dana to the punch…
gramps, the original (64b8ca) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:49 amWe told them this wouldn’t work back in 2009. Did they listen? No. Are they listening yet? No.
They are insistent that their plan to jumpstart the economy with prayer wheels and perpetual-motion machines will start working any day now and are irate that we are refusing to give them our support.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:52 amUnemployment “unexpectedly” jumped and jobs added were “surprisingly weak,” unlike the previous 60-some months of unexpected high unemployment and weak job growth.
CrustyB (d4da92) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:54 amThese guys have performed so badly that it is likely that John Hagelin and the Natural Law Party would have done better.
As Frank Fleming points out, a sack of hammers as president would have done less damage.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:57 amBut hey, the unemployment rate is down to 6.6%.
GOOD NEWS!!!!1!!
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:59 amhttp://finance.townhall.com/columnists/larrykudlow
mg (31009b) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:04 amOff topic, but Attorney Jacobsen reports on the new mandatory Obamacare race questionnaire in doctors’ offices.
My question is for the lawyers here, what would be a reasonable way to refuse to answer this? I think it’s high time for a concerted, organized resistance campaign. Before it’s really too late.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02/you-cannot-just-say-no-to-the-obamacare-race-questionnaire/comment-page-1/#comments
Patricia (be0117) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:35 amEmployers are no longer “employee locked.”
d. wildst will be along any moment to give us the WH spin on how this is a good thing.
“Thanks to the economic incentives provided by the President, employers are now freed from having to deal with a bunch of people who really would rather not work anyway. What’s wrong with freedom?”
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:03 amRemember Hurrican Sandy?
Shoppers were no longer “store locked.”
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/mobi/storm/widespread-looting-reported-in-atlantic-city/article_f6ba55d0-2493-11e2-a0cf-001a4bcf887a.html
Why go to the store for those flat screen TVs? Or pay, for that matter?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:10 amwelcome to Obamamerica…
where failure is your only option.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:41 amRushbo opened his show this AM featuring a withering WSJ editorial castigating the zero-sum growth “Conservatives” and the feckless House over the postponement of Amnesty because of the historic infidelity of C*cks*cker-in-Chief Crack Whore to his oath of office.
The Rapists of we Racists don’t know their own business model.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:00 am5. Segue:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/02/People%20not%20in%20labor%20force.jpg
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:05 amAre you kidding? It’s GREAT news!!!
When Barack Obama took office in January 2009, the labor participation rate was 65.7%. According to the January report it’s now 63%.
Think of all those people who’ve been “unlocked” from jobs. In fact, I would encourage the Preezy to order the BLS to change the official term from “labor force participation rate” to “job locked rate.”
So we’ve seen an increase in people who are no longer job locked since Obama took office. And as the number of people not working grows and the number of people looking for work drops, then that means all those millions not working are increasingly enjoying their funemployment.
Since to be counted as unemployed you have to be seeking work, then that 6.6% means there are still Americans who are too stupid to know they should be thanking Barack Obama for freeing them from the drudgery of work. The Democrats have plans to reduce that number, as Pat helpfully observes. I believe once we get the “Too Stupid To Know They Should Be Thanking Obama” rate down below 4% we’ll have effectively achieved “full funemployment.”
We’re not there yet, but we’re closing in on it. Great job, Preezy and the Democrats!
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:09 amred, there’s a good post up at AoSHQ about that.
http://minx.cc/?post=346985
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:15 am“which Democrats see as integral to their 2014 midterm messaging”
I gots some bad news for zero-sum employment “Progressives”–Messaging only works when peoples are attending to that which spews from your buccal cavities.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:16 amthe biggest job killer of them all: ObamaCare.
it will take four to six months of results like that for them to start attributing low job growth to Obamacare.
Actually, this trend should accelerate, as people pay premiums, (till now it;s only been in anticipation) or possibly, instead, they will tend to default on the premiums they agreed to.
Sammy Finkelman (dfe091) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:19 am9. Comment by Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:10 am
Shoppers were no longer “store locked.”
….
Why go to the store for those flat screen TVs? Or pay, for that matter? </i.
I thought Jeff Bezos did that.
The looters still had to go to a store./
Sammy Finkelman (dfe091) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:22 amI love watching the effect of 6 inches of snow on Tri-State streets.
Take that employment enhancement, loons.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:26 amSeems low.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/oncoming-disaster-44-of-employers-likely-to-cut-heath-insurance-43-million-americans-to-lose-coverage/
This year’s taxes prolly have their attention at the moment.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:34 amA few years back I briefly found myself between jobs and was on unemployment. I did the requisite daily job search using various media for job postings, networking, etc.
The CA EDD was quite helpful in matching me with jobs and training that it felt leveraged my MBA and 25 years of white collar and management experience. I was repeatedly sent (by mail!) information about training in or positions running a bulldozer, pipefitting, long distance trucking, etc. Even after I spoke with the EDD about this “help” the mail just kept coming.
I shudder to think that someone actually proposed mandating someone must take a job referred by the state.
in_awe (7c859a) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:41 amWe could start call Obama the Great Accidental Emancipator. He didn’t know the result of his policies would result in freeing or prolonging the freedom of so many people from job lock and enabling them to pursue their freedom and happiness on the government dole until he read about it in the newspaper. Winning!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:42 am20. If I were a young man today I would blow my first $5K after HS on getting a CDL before college, vo-tech, military service, whatever.
One could then work a year in the Bakken and have the scratch to do what a year’s of ruminating and cogitating on what you really wanted to do with your life.
I have an acquaintance who’s son stumbled on a career backpacking in NZ in eco-tourism photographic archival that more than compensates yearly family trips down under.
An anecdotal example, but going straight to 6 or 7 years in public U is frankly, daft for most.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:05 amI’m sort of intrigued by the notion that unemployment offers another option to people–that they can go write poetry–who do the liberals think will do the work to support all of those poets?
rochf (f3fbb0) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:13 amBingo! These people who are no longer “job locked” and can afford health insurance thanks to Obamacare can only afford not to work because somebody else is forced to pay for it. Or they’re fined by the IRS if they refuse to participate in the forced wealth-transfer scheme.
This is the Democrats idea of freedom. Some people shouldn’t have to work because others can be forced to work to support them.
But then, this has been the Democrats idea of freedom since the days of the antebellum South.
“Oh I wish I were in land of cotton…”
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:28 amObama loves poor people so much he creates more of them.
Winning!
Forward!
Heckuva job Barky!
No child left a dime.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:43 amOh to be free from the wretched tyranny of a job
JD (265833) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:45 amIf you’re going to live on the Democratic party’s plantation, JD, it’s better to be a member of the leisure class.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:47 amI guess if you’re only working part time so you don’t lose the subsidy provided by somebody working full time, that makes you one of the overseers.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:48 amI wish this were O/T, but looking at the wreckage Obama is wreaking on the economy unfortunately it’s not.
If you’re going to get a wood burning stove, get it now.
http://www.woodburningstoves.com/
Because (and you knew this was coming)…
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/01/07/epas-next-target-wood-burning-stoves-n1772991
When the power goes out because of Obama’s EPA regs and it’s record cold, thou shalt not heat thy home with wood.
Let’s face it; you probably couldn’t afford to buy wood just like you won’t be able to afford to heat your home when your energy costs necessarily skyrocket. Because, global warming!
In fact, if you’re caught burning wood to heat your home you’ll probably get raided by the IRS and state and federal forestry SWAT teams. Because the IRS needs to check to see if you bought that wood with unreported income, you Obamacare subsidy fraudsters! And if you didn’t buy it, you probably stole it from one of King Obama’s royal forests, peasant!
More importantly, thou shalt not live off the grid. Thou shalt be forced into the collective. Now, fill out the race and sexual history questionnaires for the database, prole.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:56 amI can hardly wait for the EPA to issue emissions standards for those street corner trash-burning 55 gallon drums we’ll all have to gather around to try to stay warm.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:59 amhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-03/going-on-30-living-with-mom-and-dad.html
The Obama administration is so considerate. If the kids were “job locked” they probably would have their own place.
They’d miss out on those last few years with mom & dad, whose death Obama plans to accelerate with his health care reforms.
And they wouldn’t get a long, last look at the house they won’t inherit. Because the state will be seizing it. To recoup the costs of the lousy care they provided mom & dad because they were forced onto Medicaid when they lost their jobs.
Due to funemployment, that won’t happen.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:03 pmObamanomics. Keeping families together since 2009.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:05 pm30. A good one but I can’t laugh, it hurts too much.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:05 pmWhere’s MY HAPPYNESS, barcky?!? WTF!
Colonel Haiku (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:07 pmI’m sure Obama is pushing all these destructive policies for own good.
I just wish he’d stop being so damned good to us.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:10 pmOh dang. So much for Monday’s Market:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-07/turkish-lira-dumps-after-sp-warns-cuts-turkish-outlook
And the yen just leaked over the 102/USD line today. Bother.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:26 pmSo much for retail.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/dont-expect-2014-to-be-much-better-for-retail-sales-trade-group-warns/2014/02/06/09243656-8f6d-11e3-b46a-5a3d0d2130da_story.html
What money? Obama plans to free me from earning money.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:44 pmSteve57,
In SF, the city sends around code enforcement guys (in a Prius, of course) to look for smoke coming out of chimneys on “bad air” days, even Christmas and New Years.
Can you imagine some guy showing upon Christmas ordering you to douse your cozy fire? How long before they are armed?
Patricia (be0117) — 2/7/2014 @ 12:52 pmYes, I know. And no doubt Hien Tran, the individual who set Kali’s diesel emissions standards despite lying about having a Phd from UC Davis, set the standards for what constitutes a bad air day.
I guess I should add the EPA/CARB SWAT team to the list of who’s likely to raid your home if you burn wood.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 1:04 pmOnce upon a time, not that long ago, wood burning was considered environment friendly as it was a renewable fuel. After all, every single bit of C02 that is released by burning wood is simply being returned to where it came from, to sustain growth of green plants.
They really just want to control all they can, to enable selective enforcement against political enemies.
What will we do when they decide to regulate urine output, which simply returns H2O to the environment from whence we once took it?
Of course, if we keep having non-terrorist terrorist attacks on our infrastructure that are not reported, like electrical facilities in California, maybe the EPA will not be able to enforce their regs.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/7/2014 @ 1:47 pmBack to the original topic,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/7/2014 @ 1:52 pmif people work they don’t depend on the government to feed them.
If people don’t depend on the government to feed them, they might not vote for the party that promises lots of free stuff.
The Dems would love to have 51% of people in the US who vote dependent on them. It’s a feature, not a bug.
One would hope such talk was sarcastic cynicism, but it is more of an honest and realistic assessment.
Patricia–do they allow commercial wood burning ovens for specialty pizza, breads, meats, etc, in San Francisco restaurants?
elissa (99f483) — 2/7/2014 @ 1:55 pmWhich of course makes Obama’s talk about his concern for the lack of upward mobility an obvious lie.
The government will assign you to your economic class/caste. And any upward mobility you experience will necessarily be a gift from government in the form of a higher minimum wage. Or, for you doctors, the reimbursement rates for which you’re going to have to petition the government.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:11 pmEver sice the post-Chicago ’68 stealth CPUSA takeover of the Democrat Party their goal has been to destroy the middle class and to foment a fiscal and economic scenario of a shrinking workforce and greater dependency upon the government, and thus more power for the “Mommy Party.”
Well, sure enough, that’s the level to which we’ve sunk. And keep in mind Obamacare hasn’t entirely kicked into gear. The worst by far is yet to come.
Elections, laws, regulations and policies all have very severe consequences. And politics shouldn’t be about coffee klatches, sewing circles or debate societies.
Lawrence Westlake (4fc30a) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:14 pmObama really is fascist. And I’m not using the term as a pejorative. Obama is adopting the program more fully than FDR ever did.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/14112-the-rise-of-the-administrative-state
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:16 pmWord.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:18 pmas we get closer to the 2014 mid-terms, it would come as no surprise to this unhappy camper to see super furchtlos erhaben Führer Obama start to pound theh podium and rise repeatedly on his toes at what he deems critical juncture in his rede, die von Gott selbst geschrieben wurde.
Colonel Haiku (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:41 pm“Which of course makes Obama’s talk about his concern for the lack of upward mobility an obvious lie.”
Steve57 – Dude, what is the “upward mobility” of which you speak?
While contrary to leftist myth and propaganda, I believe it has not been diminished during the Reign of Emperor Barcky I, he has certainly created a goodly amount of downward mobility which the Democrat Media Industrial Complex strangely rarely mentions.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/7/2014 @ 2:42 pmElections, laws, regulations and policies all have very severe consequences. And politics shouldn’t be about coffee klatches, sewing circles or debate societies.
You forgot voting, and not voting.
JD (0c90de) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:03 pmI was speaking of President Prom Queen’s feigned concern for the lack of upward mobility. Both parts of what he’s been talking about are a lie. First, that there is no more upward mobility. And that he thinks that’s a bad thing and that he needs to do something about it.
The dismaying thing is that he plans to pivot to upward mobility. Whatever he pivots to, he destroys. And King Putt has already put in a lot of roadblocks to upward mobility.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:05 pmTrained barking seals are the worst;
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2014/02/07/andrea-mitchell-applauds-rfk-jrs-impassioned-plea-obama-stop-keystone-
she doesn’t even need the fish.
narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:23 pmI she in his diary? How many stars?
nk (dbc370) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:26 pm*Is she*
nk (dbc370) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:27 pmI think the upward mobility is still pretty robust for those who live and work in the District of Columbia and the adjoining counties of Virginia and Maryland.
elissa (99f483) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:32 pmAppreciation to my father who informed me regarding this blog,
Liliana (6c4f2f) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:38 pmthis weblog is genuinely remarkable.
Is all good, my precious Liliana. Also pass along the thanks to moose and squirrel.
Liliana's Papa (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:46 pm“labor force participation rate” to “job locked rate.”
Wage slave rate.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:49 pmTen second campaign commercial:
We warned it would be like this. Don’t say we didn’t. This time, vote Republican. For real change.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:52 pmHaiku tries to take
elissa (99f483) — 2/7/2014 @ 3:54 pmtax deduction for “daughter”
fake Lilliana
D’OH!
Colonel Haiku (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 4:01 pmI wish I could write cowboy poetry,
nk (dbc370) — 2/7/2014 @ 4:19 pmBut the only rhyme I have is, “Horseapple [tree]”!
Now that I don’t have joblock, at last I am free,
To search for and find rhymes for cowboy poetry.
Whatever he pivots to, he destroys
Would that he would pivot to helping Democrat Senators get re-elected. Call it the Obama Cares Tour.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:41 pmOf course, they have focused on the main target;
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/07/moderate-republicans-team-up-with-labor-unions-to-defeat-the-tea-party-in-2014/
narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:46 pmhome home on teh range
Colonel Haiku (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:46 pmwhere deers and antelopes play
where seldom is heard
discouraging word
Colonel Haiku (e630d3) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:50 pmor my Tikka T3 Lite
ha ha ha ha HA!
narcisco–
That’s “former congressman Steve LaTourette” and not much else. Reminds me of the coffee party. Remember, to the press “moderate Republican” is center-left. Nearly over to “moderate Democrats” like Henry Waxman.
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:53 pmWhat fails in winter,
Kevin M (536c5d) — 2/7/2014 @ 5:55 pmHe pivots towards each spring.
Recovery Summer!
why the heck not;
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2014/02/07/273150753/house-republicans-may-get-to-immigration-just-not-now?ft=1&f=1001
narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:09 pmhttp://articles.philly.com/2014-02-06/news/47093655_1_sick-leave-paid-leave-city-employees
mg (31009b) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:10 pmThere once was a cowboy named Hussein,
nk (dbc370) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:12 pmWho did not know a cinch from a rein.
He tried to saddle a steer,
But wound up with a horn in his rear;
Which caused him considerable pain.
it’s bad and it will get much worse…
http://youtu.be/MBvERGLPni4
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:17 pmStay stupid out there!!
mg (31009b) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:23 pmhttp://moonbattery.com/
fool for colonics
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:24 pmmamjama supahsonic
fly m00nbat fly
you load sixteen tons
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:28 pmwhaddya get one day older
deeper in doodoo
these leftwing m00nbats
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:33 pmkeep ’em stoned and sedated
just hide teh Mars Bars
oh, America
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:36 pmyou complain and criticize
you voted f00l in!
He used to live in a room full of mirrors
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:37 pmall He could see was He
so He never grew up, never grew up, never grew up
not He
who ordered teh mushroom pizza?!?!
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:38 pmran teh table… my work here are dun!
Colonel Haiku (45d3e0) — 2/7/2014 @ 6:39 pmIt’s like that season of Dallas;
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2014/02/07/surprise-another-nj-democrat-suddenly-remembers-something-changes-story-about-christie/
narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:00 pmMissing the point of the question;
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/02/05/cboghazi_journalists_have_no_idea_what_will_matter_in_an_election.html
narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:09 pmThe whole idea is to present some mother of 5 who can now quit her $9HR job and go out into the workforce armed with healthcare and climb the ladder into the middle class.
steveg (794291) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:25 pmTrust me, they will find the one person on all the earth for which this has been made true
Baked Choombaracka:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/winter-olympics-viewers-say-obama-looked-stoned/
I am so proud.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:30 pmCostas you tool you
Colonel Haiku (5a1611) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:32 pmVlad teh Peacemaker nice ring
Comcast Commie prick
Acapulco Gold
Colonel Haiku (5a1611) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:35 pmor Panamanian Red
teh bigger teh bong bed
teh higher teh head
It is my fervent prayer that teh KGB – or whatever they’re called now – crawl big time up Matt Lauer’s ass.
Colonel Haiku (5a1611) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:42 pmJust on general principles…
Colonel Haiku (5a1611) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:42 pmWhat caliber?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:42 pmgary, that picture is incredible, if not photoshopped, but apparently not.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:03 pmLooked a little like me after being up 36+ hours straight, at least as far as the eyes go.
Comment by steveg (794291) — 2/7/2014 @ 7:25 pm
The latest narrative is that the mom has healthcare from the gov, so she doesn’t have to work just to have health insurance, but can stay home and sing to her young children.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:06 pmIs there a link to the interview anywhere that somebody can post? I didn’t see one. Has nbc had to deepsix it already after all the twitter convo about it and how O looked stoned?
elissa (99f483) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:17 pmI watched the interview out here on the west coast and the man did look medicated. Not good.
Colonel Haiku (c6e7c0) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:53 pm91. At NBCOlympics.com, gonna go find it myself.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:53 pm30-06
Colonel Haiku (c6e7c0) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:55 pmWell no Doritos or ‘Tato chips or Buttered Popcorn so I dunno.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 8:59 pmOf course it is NBC so they could have deep-sixed all the takes with giggling.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:04 pmhttp://www.nbcolympics.com/video/bob-costas-one-one-president-barack-obama
Just watched Preezy Choom Gang at this link.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:05 pmWise choice, Colonello. Very flexible round, and you can get ammo anywhere they sell it. Even Africa.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:15 pmI am so proud of this country, we are just so damned cool. We got this affirmative action token minority Presidente who parties like a bath-salted maniac and we’re all down with it.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:15 pmRemember, to the press “moderate Republican” is center-left. Nearly over to “moderate Democrats” like Henry Waxman.
Well, look at how our own Sammy F has claimed that Obama isn’t an innate, intrinsic leftist.
BTW, I turn to the genius voters of France who, even though their country has been thrashed by socialist/liberal economic policies for years and years — even under their former nominative right-leaning president (Nicolas Sarkozy) — decided to go for broke in 2012 by electing an avowed ultra-liberal (François Hollande) to their presidency. And the rest is history. Or call France a European version of American places like the city of Detroit.
I cite that as an example of just how knuckleheaded the people of a nation can be, and I’m not confident that we Yankees are now any less mentally challenged than our counterparts in France are—even more so when a large percentage of people in the US still blame George W Bush — even today — for ongoing economic problems instead of the goofus-doofus currently occupying the White House.
Mark (f0ef14) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:24 pmThe free wedding planner iphone apps are used to getting the important things of the wedding plnning.it prviding informtion are makes a cheap and best wedding.
levijohn (2d406b) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:38 pmWell, gary, this country was once something to be proud of and it could maybe be again. Via CDR Salamander:
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2014/02/fullbore-friday.html
With links to LCDR Walsh’s D-Day recollections and Navy Cross citation.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 9:40 pmit might could maybe be again
but I’m not betting any of my sweet sweet whorenanke dollars on it
happyfeet (8ce051) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:09 pmWhy not, Mr. Feets? Those sweet sweet whorenanke dollars are worth their weight in gravel.
One more D-Day Story. When most people think of Pointe Du Hoc they think of the Army Rangers. And they’re right. But when the Army Rangers think of Pointe Du Hoc, they also think of the US Navy. From the Second Ranger Battalion Memorial Page:
http://darbysrangers.tripod.com/id110.htm
The skipper of the Satterlee said he’d run the ship aground if that was what it was going to take to support the Rangers. As was the case in the Pacific, the destroyers were in close enough to basically be part of the landing force. A Sailor on deck could be taken out by a sniper just like a Soldier on the beach.
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/destroyersatnormandy.htm
We never do things like that together anymore, Mr. feets. We build stupid websites that never work instead.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:36 pmOk, one more D-Day link:
http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spitfires-of-the-us-navy.html
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:39 pm* Pointe du Hoe [sic]*
You can tell a Sailor wrote this.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 10:51 pmO/T, I have don’t think this looks like much.
http://screen.yahoo.com/inspiration/ghostly-figure-photo-sign-god-071700439.html
All I know is, if I were a member of NEA and a teacher, if I thought it looked like a gun I could get the cops to charge your kid with a felony if I hallucinated it looked like a gun.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:00 pmIf I saw it on the kid’s cell phone, that is.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/7/2014 @ 11:10 pmhttp://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2014/02/07/jobs-come-from-executive-orders-why-didnt-you-say-so/
mg (31009b) — 2/8/2014 @ 2:03 amNow they blame the weather…http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jobs-report-spin-and-fear_778850.html
mg (31009b) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:21 amComment by elissa (99f483) — 2/7/2014 @ 1:55 pm
Don’t know what the current state of the law is regarding cooking commercially with wood (left the industry 30-yrs back) but at one time the Air Quality Management District in SoCal wanted steakhouses to put scrubbers on their exhausts to minimize the broiler emissions.
I believe that current ARB rules prohibit new rural houses from having wood-burning stoves or fireplaces due to “wildfire” hazard.
Aspen, and other “tony” areas in the Front Range of CO, prohibit wood stoves and fireplaces to prevent the “sooting” of the countryside during the winter.
Wall Street liked the job report (market up) as it signaled to them that the Fed will be forced to continue QE at the current rate.
askeptic (2bb434) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:34 amMoh EZ Money!
It’s all insane, with glimpses of sanity;
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579367143880532248
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:12 amsort of an illustration of Tim Blair’s law;
http://theothermccain.com/2014/02/08/the-renegade-jesse-myerson/
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:21 amHere you go, Steve:
Captain: Sgt. Miller!
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:32 amMiller: Yes, sir!
Captain: I didn’t see you at camouflage training, yesterday.
Miller: Thank you, sir!
Thanks, nk.
I’ll make sure to promote SARGEANT Miller to, what, LDO?
For getting promoted to SGT while in the Navy. That’s a trick.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:54 am112-Ding.
mg (31009b) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:57 amYou know my motto. Any man who can make SGT in this man’s Navy is on the fast track to Sultan of the Fleet.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:58 amThat’s only a few ranks above Sky Marshall
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:05 amWho said “Navy”? And, even if it were aboard a ship, I heard there were sergeants in the Navy. I think they called them err … let me think … [scratches chin] hmm, yup … Marines! Sigh.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:07 amYou do realize that one of the sore points of having to wear the new Navy Blue cammies is, you don’t want to blend in if you get blown overboard. Or, whatever. You want to stand out. And, the Navy gives the troops CAMOFLAGE!
Not winning hearts and minds.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:08 amI brought up the Navy’s Vera Bradley designed uniforms here, a long time ago, Steve.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:11 amI hope I didn’t hurt anybody’s feelings. Just saying, if the troops were to pick a cammie pattern for wear in the middle of the ocean, it would probably be florescent orange.
And with flares. Lots of flares.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:12 amnk, I’m not criticizing you.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:16 amThey’re very striking at the Jewel. Of course, they look a lot better on a fit twenty-year old than they would on me. But still prettier than the Army’s all-terrain. But not as impressive as well-fitting Class A ASUs.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:17 amI was just taking the opportunity to note I didn’t stab myself with a fork. Given the fact the Navy gave me ample motivation.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:19 amI was in ROTC. In 1971 et seq. The ODs we wore were ugly with a capital DRAB.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:22 amWe called them “Poopy Suits.”
And, yeah, we wore them.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:27 amNot like we had a choice. It was our introduction to the fact nobody loved us anyway.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:29 amYes, life is not even close to being fair;
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/dems_declare_war_on_inspector_general_uncovering_irs_scandal.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:33 amwe’re all gonna be
Colonel Haiku (c6e7c0) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:33 amA lump of dirt in the ground
we’re all gonna be
They used to let the girls swear skirts. Now, the poor things, with fitted shoulders and waists on their jackets and female proportions in the seat of the trousers, look like HumVees pulling away.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:35 amI used to work in Chicago
Colonel Haiku (c6e7c0) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:42 amin a department store
I used to work in Chicago
I did but I don’t anymore
A woman came in for a housedress
I asked her what kind she wore
“jumper” she said
Jump her I did
and I don’ work at there anymore
My old neighbor was a flyer during the WWII. I still remember him telling my young sons about the poopy suits they wore. That and how he used to sit out in his garage with the door open listening to the Oakland As games with a beer in the Summer. A great old friend.
Colonel Haiku (c6e7c0) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:47 amNothing to see here, move along;
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_US_NAVY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-02-08-10-14-18
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 8:00 amThe following is fascinating to me because — based on my own reaction, no less — standards have gotten so dumbed down and our culture has grown so desensitized that I find myself snickering at the situation (and treating it as a ha-ha joke) more than I would have in the past, and am far less appalled than I should be. I’m guessing the gut reaction of liberals and “centrists” would be even more muted. But merely another sign that we in America are well on the way to becoming a banana republic.
Bill Clinton (and “the meaning of is is” and “I did not have sex with…”) got the bandwagon rolling back in the 1990s and Obama has it now careening down the road.
Mark (f0ef14) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:04 amBenadryl for a runny nose can make you sleepy and look it. And look up all the other perfectly legitimate medicines, prescription and OTC, that do the same. Nobody respects Obama less than I do, but Jayzus! This kind of stuff falls in the category of “Evil be to him who evil thinks”.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:24 amI was going to say that technically “poopy suit” means the kind of cold weather survival s*** you wear over your flight suit. Like rubber longjohns.
Then I said, “screw it.”
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:32 amWhy be technical?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:32 amI think the Preezy looked “medicated”… could’ve been sleepy, just tired from another round of golf and day of telling a litany of bald-faced lies to the American people.
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:38 amI think the Preezy looked “medicated”…
Comment by Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:38 am
Colorado Gold shipment sampled heavily by him it was!
Yoda (557254) — 2/8/2014 @ 9:59 amOT, but connected as it is common to the theme of the fall of Western Civilization via lawfare,
something by Steyn:
http://www.steynonline.com/6079/yes-we-can-say-that
Which reminds me, I assume Michael Mann has legal help in doing his lawsuit intimidation,
can we find out who it is and shame them, get Popehat and others on it??
OTOT update: Only 136,000+ still without power since Wednesday.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2014 @ 10:04 amWas he in Colorado when the interview occurred?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2014 @ 10:06 amI was going to say that technically “poopy suit” means the kind of cold weather survival s*** you wear over your flight suit. Like rubber longjohns.
Then I said, “screw it.”
Comment by Steve57 (71fc09)
The way my neighbor told it, they were worn for the long bombing runs they had to fly in the South Pacific and when they returned back to base, they shed teh suits and got all teh poopy hosed off of their bodies.
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 10:49 amSince the olympics are in Russia, just a bit south of here;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535139/Legs-elevenski-Siberian-lawyer-18-wins-Russias-Miss-Longest-Legs-competition-106cm-pins.html
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 10:56 amlet’s wake this Saturday afternoon UP!
http://youtu.be/bvbXMyGh8X8
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 12:28 pmhttp://youtu.be/JzrDs_Vaho4
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 12:35 pmDoes anyone remember Steven Siegel “Steven Clean”, one of the disc jockeys at KMET in L.A. was back in ’73 thru ’76 timeframe? That guy was pure comic genius on the radio…
http://youtu.be/Nht4T7tgy0o
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 12:41 pmComment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 8:00 am
Hope they avoid the Bermuda Triangle.
askeptic (2bb434) — 2/8/2014 @ 1:23 pmThe South Pacific gets pretty cold, too. There was a legend that sometimes downed aviators plucked from the water by locals would regain consciousness to find themselves between two women, all three of them naked, as a treatment for hypothermia.
Those were the lucky ones. For the rest of us, poopy suits.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 3:35 pmlol… he also told me about the lines of sailors waiting to be “serviced” on the beaches… not a pretty picture.
Colonel Haiku (9a60c9) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:19 pmNot O/T at all, IMHO. Orwell had his protagonist in 1984 ponder the question, if the state declares that 2+2=5 does that become true if the majority believe it?
Orwell, it seems, had a firm grasp of the leftist mind. How it could believe one thing one day, the opposite the next, and you’re a bigot, homophobe, science denier, whatever epithet if you don’t believe whatever it is spewing from one moment to the next with equal vigor.
http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/essays/looking-back-on-the-spanish-war.htm
More to the point at hand, I reckon:
Hence my opposition to gay marriage. Judge Vaughn Walker says marriage is not about children, and more importantly never was. I will not be a party to this lie.
Piers Morgan is going through the wringer right now for not being sufficiently pliant on the issue of transgendered whatevers:
http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-transgender-20140206,0,1612052.story#axzz2smFX0k1X
He committed the sin of saying that a someone who thinks they are a girl was born a boy. He is being inundated with tweets like “Just because you have a penis doesn’t mean you’re a woman.”
Sorry, kids. If you have XY chromosomes, a penis, and testicles, you’re not a woman. You’re a man. Deal with it. You’re never getting ovarian cancer.
Piers Morgan will of course fold. He can’t understand why they’re vilifying him. That’s easy; he’s a spineless twit who will assimilate. The low hanging fruit, as it were. The big lie that demands we all be part of or else the fundamental transformation envisioned by Barack Obama can not proceed will threaten us all. Eventually. Piers Morgan will be an enthusiastic convert, one of the faithful court eunuchs.
The goal isn’t so much to think gay marriage is cool or that some guy is a woman if he thinks he’s a woman. The goal is for authority to be able to say 2+2=4 one day, five the next, and maybe 3 a week from tomorrow and nobody will dare contradict them. Reality is what your government tells you reality is. Obamacare is already working that way, according to Obama.
Won’t it be wonderful when everything works that way?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:25 pmIf you’re holding a big-enough gun, only the very foolish will try to contradict you.
askeptic (2bb434) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:35 pmComment by Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:25 pm
Judge Vaughn Walker says marriage is not about children, and more importantly never was.
I think that’s correct. Marriage is about adultery, and, in some cases, bigamy.
You cannot define these two things under the law without marriage.
Marriage is not about children. That is a later rationalization, or secondary purpose.
Sammy Finkelman (f2d620) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:36 pmOrwell predicted you, Sammy. It’s pretty freakin’ orwellian of you to separate bigamy and adultery from progeny, since bigamy and adultery only became issues when it came to who inherited what.
Without the question of progeny, of heirs, adultery and bigamy wouldn’t be an issue.
But if anybody could bend their mind to the problem, it’s you. And the thing is, I like you, Sammy. But I gotta be me and call ’em like I see ’em.
In other news, Jay Leno is having his 30 liter tank-engined car blown and fuel injected at Gale Banks’ shop. Film at 11.
So there is that.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 4:56 pmIf you’re old enough to remember the Nixon administration, you’re old enough to remember Chuck Colson’s first law of politics.
If you’ve got them by the juevos, their hearts and minds will follow.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:04 pmOk, I’m a kindly soul. And I knew some of u kidz couldn’t wait til 11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAG0O5d0wHY
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:11 pmI didn’t mean to dismiss you or your argument. But the question is, why should I accept your premise when every single historical authority says you’re out of your mind? I realize you think marriage is not about children. And you can concoct a completely baseless theory that justifies that view.
But, why am I obliged to believe that crap?
This is precisely what Orwell was talking about. If someone with a claim to leadership says the past wasn’t the past, does that make it true?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:22 pmThe science is settled. Do not trust the contradictory evidence. In fact, do not acknowledge the contradictory evidence no matter how overwhelming even exists.
Join the collective.
You have entered the Obamazone.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:29 pm157. Comment by Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:22 pm
what historical authority. I know people are saying this now in the last decade, but that’s a legal argument.
Adultery has basically been decriminalized – was decriminalized in the 19th century more or less – so this would not be a good current-day argument for preserving the institution of civil marriage and keeping it limited only to a man and a woman.
But I think historically it was first and foremost about defining adultery and not supporting children.
This is one reason it became common for women to show visible signs of marriage to a passing stranger.
I say that is not its first purpose.
Wedding rings. That’s not about children. I believe support for women and children was a later addition.
Although the roots of gifts to women at the time of marriage may be about support for a woman in the event of divorce or desertion. The only way women could be sure of possessing anything was to wear it. But there are special indications of marriage – special jewelry.
Marriage does not actually require anything of significant value to be given to the woman, but common custom does require woman to do something visible every day to indicate they are married.
Marriage is therefore, first about adultery, and only secondarily about support.
Sammy Finkelman (f2d620) — 2/8/2014 @ 5:47 pmSo you’re admitting, Sammy, that you have no knowledge of history? That your uninformed opinion is the only thing that guides you?
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:03 pmI’m actually not trying to hijack the thread. The central issue is, it seems to me, are our minds made of play dough?
Can they be molded into any shape our masters wish? Barack Obama seems to think so. This particular thread is about the jobs report. And of course putting people out of work would be bad if we had a Republican Preezy. But it’s GREAT if we have Obama as Preezy. Easy Breezy. Cuz now they can snowboard or smoke pot instead of work.
Heating their homes or even having homes will become an issue should the Republicans take the WH.
Then, putting people out of work will be a bad thing again.
Call me crazy. I’m sure many of you do.
So, anyhoo, Sammy has stewed up the idea that marriage is about bigamy and adultery…
…becuz bigamy and adultery are bad cuz Sammy thinks so for no reason.
Certainly bigamy and adultery have no connection to kids, despite the court cases proving otherwise.
Therefore, TRUE!
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:15 pmthe theme with some digressions like the gal from Siberia, is objective reality is troublesome, (Krugman, Hilzik, Dionne, et al) will do the ‘argument clinic’ routine, the same for longstanding institutions like marriage, which have a very particular function in our culture,
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:35 pmThey are trying the same tricks South of the Border
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304450904579369241634828598?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304450904579369241634828598.html
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:49 pmStupid BS doesn’t merit refutation. When for example SCOAMF says the IRS Director had to visit the WH 140 times because he was intimately involved in the design and development of the 404Care software it’s enough to say its HORSESH*T!
The apologists are wasting oxygen. Everyone knows we didn’t miss government one bit during the Slowdown.
Il Douche does us no more good than Prince Charles benefits GB.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/8/2014 @ 7:19 pmsteer into the ice berg, it’s refreshing;
http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=771626
narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2014 @ 8:10 pmbetter to drink straight from the original tap, narciso… but it’s harrd to say which is more unhinged: the commenter’s in the story, or the ones posting on the web page… (Full Bore Moonbat Warning)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/they-quit-their-jobs-thanks-to-the-health-law/2014/02/08/7b10df46-901a-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_allComments.html
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:07 ama summary;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/demonomics.html
narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2014 @ 4:53 am167. Clarice is a rare jewel, the literary snark and agility of Steyn, a polemic bulldog like young Williamson, and yet the stability and perspicuity of a Caroline Glick.
There is no debate over the fact the jobs being evacuated are marginal positions held by noncompetitive employees. What prevents these positions from simply disappearing?
Marxist subtards are at present left to spin helplessly news that promises only to become more grim.
We are fast approaching a status quo in which we have minor constituencies represented in government.
The GOP representing Big Business and Commerce Law, the Democrats representing the very rich and the very poor along with public employees.
It is time for working Amerikkka to think for themselves or bug for the exits.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/9/2014 @ 9:14 am160. Comment by Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/8/2014 @ 6:03 pm
So you’re admitting, Sammy, that you have no knowledge of history? That your uninformed opinion is the only thing that guides you?
I have a great deal of knowledge of history.
I recognized the first three names, John Locke,
William Blackstone, and Noah Webster, and none of them go back any further than the late 17th century, and all seem to be in the English speaking world.
I think it is obvious that they were talking theory, and not history, and the explanation for marriage are no more history than what is in the social contract.
Secondly, I think they were really dealing with the question of why men and women should live together, and not so much with marriage.
I think thjey lived in an age when adultery was so rare that it does not even come to mind – the alternative to marriage, in heir mind, is separation.
Correction:
Noah Webster, I see, even agrees with me:
Marriage was instituted he says:
1) For the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes,
That is to define and avoid adultery
2) for promoting domestic felicity,
To avoid jealously.
3) and for securing the maintenance and education of children.”
And only third for supporting children.
Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 2/9/2014 @ 10:40 amHere’s one for you-
Q: When does the media claim that the economy is not as good as advertised?
A: When it is attacking an incumbent republican governor’s budget forecast in an election year.
I heard on the local (“non-partisan”?) news station this am that governor Corbett’s good looking budget forecast was counting on a too optimistic look at the growth of the economy…
Elsewhere:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/02/americas-latest-heroine-fights-back.php
Is it possible to make a non-sexist calendar of the most courageous and patriotic women in America? No swim-suits or anything, just eyes blazing with conviction at the political bad men.
I nominate her for attorney general in 2016, Lord willing.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/9/2014 @ 11:35 amel Prentiss Bishop: I see he lived March 10, 1814 – November 4, 1901. His first book about the laws of marriage and divorce was published in 1852. He wrote it mainly to enhance his own reputation as a knowledgeable practitioner. He later became virtually unknown.
He speaks nothing about the purpose of marriage, but of one of the things that accreted to it. His point here is that the obligation to support a wife and the obligation to support children is not one of contract, and derives from their status.
Betrand Russell was a philosopher, and he’s staking out a minority position here, arguing that it’s only because of children that sexual relations are important to society.
Bronislaw Malinowski: (1884-1942) Founder of functionalist school of anthropology, he argued that “primitive” Pacific Islanders were not really that different from other people and their societies were very varied. And that some ideas common in his time were very wrong. I’m not sure what he’s saying here in your quote.
G. Robina Quale: Shew qrote a book called “A History of Marriage Systems” (1975 or maybe 1988) and clearly here seems to be speakig of the after-effects of marriage. She held it regulates a lot of things.
She writes about who marries whom and what it is, and when it continues, and when divorce happens and thought marriage was an alliance between families.
She says the modern marriage system, in which partners select each other on the basis of personal compatibility, began in the commercial economy of 15th and 16th century Europe. She might be exaggerating its absence before because all her documents would omit it.
James Q. Wilson is trying to give after the fact reasoning of the value of marriage.I don’t think he seriously means to say anyone planned things this way.
Note this wouild not explain every marriage – just that the fact that marriage exists, and is common, causes other things to happen. Because of marriage people will stay together and care for children.
W. Bradford Wilcox: Associate professor of sociology at the University of Virginia, and director of something called the National Marriage Project.
He’s written a lot about marriage and divorce, parenthood, especially of fathers, religion and family life. He argues that marriage is an important social good, an important public good,
(what’s the difference between these two – the second means it is worth it for the government to spend money on it?) and that the benefits of marriage extend to poor and minority communities.
There’s nothing historical here.
Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 2/9/2014 @ 11:36 amIt is time for working Amerikkka to think for themselves or bug for the exits.
What’s disconcerting to me is that, on one hand, there’s the example of France, with all its leftist policymaking gone berserk, and now things getting worse than in the past, and, on the other hand, the example of Japan, which in spite of its fairly non-dogmatic (ie, comparatively non-leftist) approach to its “lost decade” (and now multi-decade recession) still is muddling or sleep walking its way through an indefinite lack of economic momentum.
Whether a France or Japan, or, even more disturbingly, a Mexico or Venezuela, are a window into the US’s future remains open to debate.
Mark (f0ef14) — 2/9/2014 @ 11:39 am“There’s nothing historical here.”
Sammy – Only if you keep your eyes closed.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/9/2014 @ 12:26 pmSam the Sham need not see: he already knows everything.
we’re just incapable of grokking his brilliance because racist.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 2/9/2014 @ 12:48 pm171. “There’s nothing historical here.”
That’s because marital law is pre-historical.
Azz-pull Finkelman rambling free-association is not interesting and adds no value whatever to this forum.
Why don’t you settle on an area or two that other people compliment you for and actually do some work?
This shotgun approach to achieving self-esteem is really weird, in a bad way.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:04 pmHere we have the Chamber of Commerce/WSJ vs. Middle America conflict of interests, a burgeoning culture war:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/02/09/Laura-Ingraham-Battles-George-Will-on-Immigration-Reform
The GOP can no more dispose of its Lights than a leopard its spots.
There is no alternative to crushing Republicanism by whatever means necessary.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:12 pmI would put it a slightly different way, gary, wets whether Tory oro GOP end up in the middle of the road,
narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:42 pmThen again, they are rather resilient in their own way;
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/02/09/republicans-seek-access-to-mitt-romney-money-machine/
narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:49 pm“There’s nothing historical here.”
It’s philosophy.
Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 2/9/2014 @ 1:56 pmFifty years ago Hammurapi was the ostensible source of the Mosaic covenant. Since that time Sargon the Great bequeathed the former all that he is famous for.
In fact, Sargon followed the dawn of civilization by a few millennia.
The only thing new about our culture is ignorance dawns new every day in every way.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/9/2014 @ 2:20 pmPer their custom the Ministry of Truth avoids same:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-09/about-those-29-million-jobs-lost-january
Anyone with gray matter between their ears knows a family holding down a half-dozen jobs is more resilient than a single riding on the governments mercies.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 2/9/2014 @ 6:55 pmOh. That’s what it’s called.
Steve57 (71fc09) — 2/10/2014 @ 11:32 pmThe Ross Douthat piece struck me in in more than a couple of ways.First, it had the feel of the Star Trek: Next Generation episode when the crew defrosted a bunch of folks from the 21st century, only to inform them that the persuit of money had no value any more. I noticed that this theme was never again used in any Star Trek episode across all of the franchises.It must have raised more questions than could be answered, like .. why would anybody be a “serf” in such an enlightened age ? Who would want a dangerous task ? Why wouldn’t they all want to be Captain of a Star Fleet vessel ?
… this brings me to the second point, on the conservative side, things are somewhat clearer. Who would be able to survive a Zombie Apocalypse ?In the such an event, the Progressive bastions, the cities, who look like “World War Z.” None of them would survive.
Neo (d1c681) — 2/11/2014 @ 1:47 amLastly, Douthat thinks we live in a ‘post-scarcity society.’ Isn’t the whole underlying political point of AGW that oil is scare ? .. notice that in the AGW mindset of politicians, it isn’t that carbon is completely bad, it’s that fossil fuels aren’t renewable.’Post-scarcity society’ fits in the Obama-esque world that is also post-partisan and post-racial … these fit so well in the world with unicorns.Which world that is ? .. I have no idea.
An impressive share! I’ve just forwarded this onto
a co-worker who had been conducting a little homework on this.
And he in fact ordered me dinner because I
Portable Electric Cooktop (05ab48) — 3/5/2014 @ 4:06 pmstumbled upon it for him… lol. So let me reword this….
Thanks for the meal!! But yeah, thanx for spending the
time to discuss this subject here on your website.