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11/18/2013

Martin Bashir: I Am Sorry For Suggesting Someone Should Defecate in Sarah Palin’s Mouth

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:15 pm



Oh, you’re sorry. Well, that makes it OK!

Bashir chose to tell his audience of the diary of a plantation overseer in Jamaica named Thomas Thistlewood.

“In 1756, he records that a slave named Darby ‘catched eating kanes had him well flogged and pickled, then made Hector, another slave, sh** in his mouth.’

“This became known as ‘Darby’s Dose,’ a punishment invented by Thistlewood that spoke only of inhumanity. And he mentions a similar incident in 1756, his time in relation to a man he refers to as Punch. ‘Flogged punch well, and then washed and rubbed salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper, made Negro Joe piss in his eyes and mouth.’”

And that brings Bashir to his disgusting denouement: “When Mrs. Palin invokes slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, she would be the outstanding candidate.”

That’s right. Wrapped in the language of literary allegory, Bashir is saying he’d like to see someone assault and abuse Sarah Palin in this horrifying fashion.

And no one at MSNBC bats an eye? This is deemed acceptable discourse?

What would MSNBC say if a conservative had talked about defecating on, say, Hillary Clinton?

In his televised apology, directed to both Palin and to viewers, Bashir said his remarks were “unworthy” and “deeply offensive,” and that he is “deeply sorry.” He said he wished he had been “more thoughtful” and “more compassionate.” He said “the politics of vitriol and destruction is a miserable place to be and a miserable person to become,” and promised to learn a lesson.

An abject apology is all well and good. But as Mediaite’s Joe Concha writes, invoking MSNBC President Phil Griffin: “Could you imagine if Neil Cavuto or Jake Tapper, who occupy the same timeslot on Fox and CNN, respectively, suggested anyone s*it in anyone’s mouth on national television, as Bashir did last week?

Um, no. But MSNBC is a joke, and everyone knows it. Let’s not go around equating them to responsible journalists or we’ll all just look silly.

71 Responses to “Martin Bashir: I Am Sorry For Suggesting Someone Should Defecate in Sarah Palin’s Mouth”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. Bashir used the slavery analogy himself, previously. He just wanted to publicly fantasize about Palin.

    JD (5c1832)

  3. Carry on here, because who the heck is Martin Bashir and how does he relate to Ag80 2016!?

    Ag80 2016! Because slavery in the United States is just as bad in 2013 as it was in 1859 except, you know, it doesn’t exist anymore unless you are some sort of British expatriate pontificating on a MSNBC show that no one watches.

    Will that fit on a bumper sticker? My crack team is on the case.

    Ag80 2016! (eb6ffa)

  4. It was awful and amazing that he still has a job.

    Seriously, people on the right should stop flipping out if someone who votes with them says or does something awkward. Primary them next time around, if anything.

    Former Conservative (e47432)

  5. Well, at least he admits that he’s a miserable excuse for a human being.

    Icy (2f7534)

  6. A vile and disgusting pervert harbored by a vile and disgusting cable “news” network — indeed the real “faux” news network.

    SPQR (768505)

  7. Who would watch some Limey ‘Asian’ anyway. He ought to be desperate.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  8. Why do people think Griffin would take action against Bashir?

    He only suspended Baldwin because it was a slur against gays, a preferred class of the MSNBC audience, and he did it on a public street with people watching.

    Bashir fantasized about Palin, who the audience hates with an irrational passion, and did it on his show, so no one was watching anyway.

    Griffin knows who these hosts are. A CEO that hasn’t canned the lot of them already isn’t going to fire any of them until their ratings are too low to explain to the Board of Directors.

    Estragon (19fa04)

  9. The only ones holding blacks in bondage in this country are their political masters, who make inner city schools a joke, urban communities hostile to business and foster a sick glorification of violence, misogyny and gangsterism.

    Oddly, they belong to the same political party that has always held blacks down, ad if it were their raison d’etre.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  10. Even WaPo has called Bashir out. Hatred towards the right in general, especially towards right wing women, runs strong on MSNBC (and some on the left). WaPo brought up Schultz calling Ingraham a slut, which seems almost benign given how he acts on a daily basis.

    This network is trying to get ratings anyway possible. Hey, MSNBC, why not talk about Obamacare?

    ratbeach (f5aad4)

  11. Sarah Palin should extend an olive branch to Bashir. Tell him that she took no offense. That she is no shrinking violet. That she is in favor of lively and robust debate in the best traditions of the First Amendment. And to further show her heart is in the right place, she wants him to go hunting with her.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. We are proud not to have the cable cabal in our house.
    How bout you?

    mg (31009b)

  13. nope no cable

    if it’s an option in the rest home i might get it then

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  14. I am going to play snooker in the old folks home.

    mg (31009b)

  15. Mr Bashir saw that Alec Baldwin, who has a lot more money than he does, got a two-week suspension for his behavior, and decided that he’d better get the apology out there before he got two weeks on the hill himself.

    If Fox News hosts are all right-wingers and MSNBC hosts are all lefties, and this kind of trash afflicts both the left and the right, shouldn’t we be seeing stories about Fox News people talking about pooping in Nancy Pelosi’s mouth? Oh, I guess it’s just that The New York Times forgot to cover that story.

    The Dana who can see the connection (3e4784)

  16. How about the inhumanity of Blacks playing Knockout?

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/12/brooklyn-rabbi-gang-of-teens-playing-disturbing-game-of-knock-out-the-jew/

    Where is Martin on this issue?

    Rodney King's Spirit (5c6cbf)

  17. The truth is that Mr Bashir isn’t sorry in the least about thinking that someone ought to take a dump on Governor Palin; he’s just sorry that he said it in a venue that got him in trouble.

    I give little credence to apologies. In most cases, the action for which the apology was issued was completely genuine, and a perfect reflection of how the person felt both at the time, and in general. Most apologies aren’t real expressions of remorse about the action or statement, but about having to face some unpleasant consequences for them.

    Unless an action was completely inadvertent, such as stumbling into someone else, you should never apologize for doing or saying what you meant.

    The unapologetic Dana (3e4784)

  18. what did one cable news propaganda slut say to the other?

    you so stupid someone should make poo poo on you head

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  19. He knew what he was doing, the nets just empowered his id,

    http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/DonSurber/201311150048

    narciso (3fec35)

  20. 17. Words to live by.

    What really distresses me is that people on the Right can observe the Breathing Damned, e.g., a Bashir or ibn Dunham and allow that there might be some redeeming quality, somewhere within them, that justifies kindness and forbearance toward them.

    Your own health and self-respect is the only justification for withholding opprobrium, releasing your heart to live free of them.

    Because we know ourselves we know them.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  21. there might be some redeeming quality, somewhere within them, that justifies kindness and forbearance toward them

    i always remember the sweet look on Mr. Piers Morgan’s face here

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnmbJzH93NU

    i still want him to go away but i think somewhere within him he has a redeemering quality what justifies kindness and forbearance

    this i why i never make poo poo on his head

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  22. As Michael said, ‘it’s not personal, it’s business;

    http://theothermccain.com/2011/09/22/shocker-joe-mcginnisss-credibility-destroyed-by-e-mail-to-jesse-griffin/

    recall McGuinness’s earlier exercise was to try to take down the Canadian Menace deal, which was secured by the Exxon merger, but that’s why they put Persilly, another little nazgul to stall all development,

    narciso (3fec35)

  23. We all know that MSNBC is the Der Sturmer of the Democratic Party.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  24. 21. Well, Mr. Feets, a love of Beauty may be commendable and human but redeeming, not quite.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  25. No cable in this house.

    Although, when I go to my dad’s house I do watch the Megyn Kelly on his satellite. How can you not watch the Megyn?

    Icy (2f7534)

  26. Well that’s a given, of course, Icy,

    narciso (3fec35)

  27. Bashir and Alec Baldwin can pull the crap they do and receive not as much heat as conservatives get because of the belief held by far too many people that a person who talks a good game of compassion and tolerance (no matter how phony it is) deserves the response of “well, at least his or her intentions are good.”

    An illustration of that is indicated in just a few sentences posted below:

    abcnews.go.com: While its individual mandate is widely opposed, 58 percent support its requirement that companies with 50 or more employees provide coverage or pay a fine. And fewer than half – though a still-troubling 44 percent – think Obama “intentionally misled” the public when he said that people who liked their policies could keep them. (For comparison, there were four occasions in 2005-6 when majorities said George W. Bush had “intentionally misled” the American public on Iraq.

    ^ Do-gooder emotions regarding the idea of an employer mandate is another example of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Or sort of analogous to France’s beautiful, humane, sensible belief that in order to encourage hiring — and lower France’s chronically high unemployment rates — businesses should be forbidden from allowing employees to work more than something like 35 hours per week. And the rest is history.

    Mark (58ea35)

  28. 28. I would agree and add that central to this disability is a failure to understand one’s own motivations.

    Baldwin is accepted because these critters accept the same in themselves and have rationalized the incongruence as redeemable over their intention.

    Dead wrong. Period.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  29. Alex ‘stone Henry hyde to death’ Baldwin, that guy.

    narciso (3fec35)

  30. The Left’s proclamations of Palin’s (or other conservative’s) ignorance would have more force if they could demonstrate any of their own brilliance.

    I won’t be holding my breath waiting for an example.

    alanstorm (cb237b)

  31. How many bodyguards does Baldwin walk around with? Because he’s not in a movie, he does not have a stunt man, and the persons he picks fights with do not have scripts. Basically, he’s a c**ksucking f***ot who thinks he’s a tough guy because he play acts tough guys on the screen, and without bodyguards somebody would definitely clean his clock. Which is way overdue, in my opinion.

    (And Bashir is a camel-molesting wog who learned to speak English and not worthy to be spat on by Sarah.)

    nk (dbc370)

  32. from the official MSNBC twitter feed:

    WATCH: Martin Bashir gives Sarah Palin a remedial course on the physical scars and humiliation of slavery. http://onmsnbc.co/NfxATm
    10:20 AM – 17 Nov 2013

    Yep, you read that right MSNBC was promoting the hate speech of Martin Bashir.

    in_awe (7c859a)

  33. nk wrote:

    How many bodyguards does Baldwin walk around with? Because he’s not in a movie, he does not have a stunt man, and the persons he picks fights with do not have scripts. Basically, he’s a c**ksucking f***ot who thinks he’s a tough guy because he play acts tough guys on the screen, and without bodyguards somebody would definitely clean his clock. Which is way overdue, in my opinion.

    Emphasis mine. I’d point out here that Mr Baldwin’s last two “victims” were someone he believed to be unmanly — a penis-fellating bundle of sticks was how he put it — and a female reporter for a Fox station in New York. The possibility exists that he’s a bit more reticent about picking fights with someone he suspects might actually be a real man.

    The Dana who noticed (3e4784)

  34. Capital One stands by Alec Baldwin’s Anti-Gay Rantings

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/11/19/capital-one-stands-by-alec-baldwin-experts-urge-anger-management-classes/

    what’s in your wallet

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  35. Well, at least Bashir made a show of apologizing on TV, that’s in his favor, but his malicious transgression is unforgivable. Bashir crossed a line from which no return can be allowed. He deserves be fired from his job and banned from the public airways for life.

    Additionally, I don’t think it would be too harsh to declare him persona non grata, revoke his residency, and give him 48 hours to leave the country. If the man had any self-respect he’d spare us the trouble and leave on his own.

    ropelight (32e890)

  36. If he had any self-respect he wouldn’t be on Ms. NBC in the first place.

    PCachu (e072b7)

  37. Martin had to be raised by hari-krishna airport begging parents.

    mg (31009b)

  38. I did not know that Martin Bashir and crazy Ron Brynaert were friends.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  39. If Mr Bashir made his comments about wanting to poop on Mr Palin on MSNBC, how did anyone ever notice it?

    The curious Dana (3e4784)

  40. Where’s Oprah?

    Dana (d14468)

  41. Was it wrong of Palin to compare future economic burdens on our children with slavery? I think it’s a comparison that has some merit.

    However, I see arguments that nothing is as bad as the Holocaust so it’s wrong to use that as a comparison — except to other genocidal events — and I understand why that bothers some people. I suspect liberals such as Bashir think slavery is like the Holocaust, and it should be off-limits to any comparison except actual slavery.

    I’m sure that’s what liberals invested in racial politics think, but I’m not sure they are the ones who should be making this decision.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  42. Palin wasn’t wrong per se, but she wasn’t smart in her selection of analogy. Don’t play the clueless card. We ca t afford it.

    For the thousandth time, we need to stop giving the left so much to work with.

    Dana (d14468)

  43. Maybe she should have used bondage, servitude, Bashir is garden variety nazgul, who does this regardless of the circumstance,

    narciso (3fec35)

  44. A simple apology won’t do, Bashir should grovel and take a golden shower or three.

    Colonel Haiku (180a66)

  45. Everything Palin said was spot on and irrefutable, but them made her analogy and that’s what everybody heard. The substance was post in the hysteria. Don’t give them the opportunity and don’t sabotage your own messaging.

    Dana (d14468)

  46. “Where’s Oprah?”

    Dana – Enjoying the billions this racist country allowed her to make.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  47. On further thought, I think this is just Bashir being anti-Palin. Why should conservatives have to be this careful with their language? It’s a comparison that makes sense and Palin isn’t the only one to make this comparison. Ben Carson said the same thing and no one blew up at him.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  48. Specifically, Carson said ObamaCare was the worst thing since slavery.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  49. I get the idea of not encouraging a self-inflicted wound, Dana, but there are limits to how careful people in the public eye can be with their words. They talk so much and so many things. It’s impossible to calibrate everything we say, not only for now but for future listeners. We need to condemn people who actually say bad things, not Republicans who say something less than perfect.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  50. Plus, there is power to words. Comparing the future debt burden on our kids to slavery is a more compelling image than comparing it to (for instance) a mortgage or a big credit card debt. I agree it’s not good to overstate things but this debt is more like slavery than a typical debt, if only because everyone knows there are ways to get out those debts without paying them. But this debt isn’t going to go away.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  51. Anyone who complains about some pundit likening debt to slavery should be forced to read Ambrose Bierce’s The Devil’s Dictionary.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  52. I think you’re bring too literal, DRJ. It’s not only what most accurate and apt a comparison, but what can drive the point home most *effectively*. Whether or not R’s should be able to say that is almost superfluous to the optics. Again, why choose to sabotage oneself and very salient points by choosing what everyone knows is an inflammatory comparison?

    Dana (d14468)

  53. *will be*. Phone typing.

    Dana (d14468)

  54. Dana:

    Again, why choose to sabotage oneself and very salient points by choosing what everyone knows is an inflammatory comparison?

    Because liberals will find a way to sabotage us anyway, so why not use the most compelling term that fits?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  55. In other words, why let liberals have a monopoly on the emotional power of words?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  56. But I’m willing to change my mind, Dana. What specific words should Palin have used that would be more effective than comparing the debt burden to slavery?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  57. As I recall, there was a similar debate years ago between Patterico and Jeff G., and now I’m playing Jeff’s role. I think you’re in better company, Dana, but I’m starting to see Jeff’s point.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  58. Dana,

    We’re conservatives so it’s normal that we feel cautious about things, including what we say. It’s something I think makes for a much better life but it’s not necessarily something that makes for better politics.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  59. Speaking of which, he’s really under the weather, but he did have the presence of mind, to put this on the intertubes;

    Were I not forced at times to make my way rapidly to the john, I’d be writing here of Martin Bashir’s flowery apology to Sarah Palin — while mentioning that MSNBC’s Twitter feed is still promoting his having taught Ms Palin a lesson about slavery, Martin Bashir of course being one of the world’s foremost authorities on American history and slavery in particular, not to mention one of the world’s great literalists, so impossible evidently is it for him to understand that the concept of slavery is not owned exclusively by American blacks, nor is the use of the word slavery to describe, you know, slavery to the State, a usage that is somehow socially unpalatable. Unless you happen to be a shrieking pompous leftist shitheel who is so outraged by Palin’s offensive (if correct) use of a term that he simply had to wish her to sup on all manner of human waste. Because he just cares so damn much about this country. That he wishes to help fundamentally transform, so that it looks like the crapbox he left behind, and that we, too, once upon a time decided wasn’t really our cup of tea any longer.
    – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/#sthash.IRqGwG1B.dpuf

    narciso (3fec35)

  60. DRJ,

    I would say I try to be thoughtful about what I say rather than cautious. I want my words to have an intended impact as well as effectively communicating a thought or pov.

    It occurs to me that this issue with Palin’s analogy can be seen in one of two ways with regard to this: Who was her aud

    Dana (d14468)

  61. what else is like slavery is when people tie your hands behind your back and make you do the riverdance

    then they poop on you head

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  62. DRJ,

    I would say I try to be thoughtful about what I say rather than cautious. I want my words to have an intended impact as well as effectively communicating a thought or pov.

    It occurs to me that this issue with Palin’s analogy can be seen toe ways: Who was her audience? If they were like minded, then there would be less uproar about her slavery analogy. If her audience were made up of independents or citizens that she wanted to reach with a conservative message or enlighten re the disaster of Obamacare or debt to China, the analogy then likely becomes inflammatory and the message gets lost in hoopla over the analogy.

    But then again, what are people focusing on today – her message or choice of using slavery as an analogy?

    Dana (d14468)

  63. Geez… Skip #65… Phone typing…

    Dana (d14468)

  64. What term would you use, that would not set off Bashir or Sharpton, or anyone of those nazguls, I remember when she wrote that post on QE 2, three years ago, she had to challenge the Journal reporters, who didn’t stand by what they wrote months before,

    narciso (3fec35)

  65. 11. …And to further show her heart is in the right place, she wants him to go hunting with her.
    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 11/19/2013 @ 12:54 am

    I’m not sure that that would be percieved that way.
    Probably not after Cheney.

    Ibidem (85859b)

  66. Martin Bishir, your comment regarding Sarah Palin just goes to Show how low MSNBC left wing is able to go. You inability to give fair and balanced news is why no one I know watch your so called news, it reminds me of the tabloids they sell at Walmart nothing true….can’t wait for Mr.Bishirs next low comment I bet something like Sarah Palin marries an alien from mars right…boy talk about cheap low Discusting news person you are Bishir!!!!!

    Jennifer (709e3d)


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