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10/7/2013

GOVERNMENT SLOWDOWN, DAY SEVEN

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:16 am



Monday. The whole weekend gone. A whole week ahead.

These Republicans will stop at nothing to make us miserable, huh?

89 Responses to “GOVERNMENT SLOWDOWN, DAY SEVEN”

  1. I tried to make it day six, but of course we already lived through the hell of day six.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. And 509th Bob dinged the post when it was titled DAY SIX, and the Recent Comments continued to show it with the wrong day even after I changed the title. So I had to remove his comment.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  3. 509th Bob, another victim of the heartless GOP.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. This govmnt slowdown is wearing me out!

    > Felipe

    felipe (70ff7e)

  5. 509th Bob – died for the shutdown.

    SPQR (768505)

  6. He will not take mocking lightly.

    Colonel Haiku (1871f4)

  7. Alas! There’s a cold front about to come through, and heavy rain is forecast for this afternoon, so almost all of my customers decided against pouring concrete today. Since we know that the government shutdown is what is allowing rain to occur during the day — a previous government decreed that the rain may never fall ’till after sundown — I blame John Boehner for the rain hurting my business!

    The Dana in Pennsylvania (3e4784)

  8. Our massive government shutdown amounts to 17% of the government. (Oh the humanity!!!)

    But on a serious note: If there are no CAs, how the hell is 83% of the government still up?

    TheHat (58d08b)

  9. Arrested Development has just reiterated to the world “He will not negotiate“.

    Furthermore he will not count ‘swings that miss’, ‘tee shots that do not cross the women’s tee’, ‘four putts’ or the ‘Presidential boot’.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  10. This really belongs to Day Six.

    I heard John Boehner on ABC’s “This Week” yesterday. He showed lots of signs of being an ignoramus.

    He did not once mention that the McClinton bill that the House had passed that guaranteed payment of the interest and principle on the debt and gave the Secretary of the Treasury unquestioned authority to prioritize.

    This issue was brought up by a reporter on Fox News Sunday in his interview of Secretary of the Treasury Jack Lew. (Jack Lew stated he would not prioritize)

    Once again, we see, as I have noticed for, not years but decades, that reporters give better arguments than the official opposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  11. Boehner was also asked about the raids in somalia in Libya, George stephanopolous noting that he had been briefed. He acknowledged being briefed and said they were successes. The one in Somalia was not!

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  12. *the rais in Somalia and Libya.

    What I noticed is that they were not drone strikes. The one in Libya captured someone who was living openly, but whom the current Libyan goernment, influenced by terrorist groups, had refused to help the U.S. get. He was not wanted for involvement in Benghazi 2012, but for the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen in 1998. (incidnetally, the Cole was only there in oder t cement toes with the Yemen government – ships had previously refueled in Djibouti which was still safe)

    They did not get the person they wanted to in Somalia, and there’s some confusuion as to why not. Was he not there? Was he killed unknowingly? Did he escape?

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  13. A tornado warning in effect in the NYC area.

    This has nothing to do with any of this, but it’s really the only big change ongoing to today.

    Saw Jack Lew on the Sunday shows. Is this man with the unchanging unblinking expression in fact an android? The One Administration has no plana at all to cut spending. Either theya re complete idiots or they want to collapse the system.

    Bugg (ddac6e)

  14. A tornado warning in effect in the NYC area.

    Tornado warnings are produced by the NWS and distributed by the NOAA. Both part of the federal government.

    Just an interesting fact under the circumstances.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  15. Tlaloc, so what you’re saying is that Hairy Reed, DICK Durbin, and SanFranNan could agree to fund the NWS and NOAA as part of the piecemeal funding proposed by Republicans, but the aforementioned Democrats don’t want to because they don’t want innocent Americans to have access to tornado warnings ?

    Why do you Democrats want Americans to be harmed by tornados ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  16. The government will be fully funded as soon as the right gives up this insane hostage taking. It’s that simple. What’s more thats the dominate narrative in the public.

    Why you guys chose to crucify yourselves publicly I couldn’t say.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  17. http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/local/2013/10/07/tornado-warning-for-nyc-and-upstate/

    A tornado warning is in effect for New York City and the surrounding areas until 5 p.m. today, the National Weather Service reported….

    NOAA.gov is actually unavailable, along with many federal websites, although governmentshutdown.noaa.gov notes: “Specific NOAA web sites necessary to protect lives and property are operational and will be maintained.”

    So farm no rain, unless it rauined somewhere else. The water this morning seemed fresher. The barometric pressue (or winds or non-winds) is a little bit peculiar, but the water does not now seem especially good to dissolve things. You can tell when it rained.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  18. 16. Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/7/2013 @ 12:04 pm

    The government will be fully funded as soon as the right gives up this insane hostage taking. It’s that simple.

    Senator Schumer made a big point of something last week. he stood before a large sign with the words a Republican member of the House had said d written on it (he does that a lot)

    He indicated that it would be over when the Republicans give up on the idea of not being disrepected.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  19. Tlaloc,

    So you don’t care if Americans are not warned of forthcoming tornados—just so long as people ultimately learn their lesson not to challenge King Obama’s dictates, eh ?

    How charmingly Stalinist of you !

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  20. “Tlaloc, so what you’re saying is that Hairy Reed, DICK Durbin, and SanFranNan could agree to fund the NWS and NOAA as part of the piecemeal funding proposed by Republicans, but the aforementioned Democrats don’t want to because they don’t want innocent Americans to have access to tornado warnings ?”

    How is the GOP progressing on coming up with these piecemeal bills? How much staff are they devoting to finding worthwhile things to fund? Or are they just responding to whatever gets put in front of them in a pathetic attempt to curry favor with voters?

    ello (6f952f)

  21. Once upon a time, as I remember it, lots of government spending was “piecemeal”.
    That was back when both houses of Congress and the President at the time actually took time to make “budgets” to decide how much would be spent on each part of government.

    Somebody clarify for me if the following is wrong:
    The real issue is that President Obama and the Democratic Congress back in 2009 passed a budget with an additional 800 billion “stimulus bill” attached. Since they didn’t think they could, or didn’t want to and be upfront about it, pass another “stimulus” bill, they have simply passed CR’s ever since, thereby preserving the bump in spending,
    And that is contrary to law and common sense.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  22. “Somebody clarify for me if the following is wrong:”

    It’s very wrong, and gets to the obnoxiousness of the GOP demand to “negotiate.” The house and senate have both passed budgets. The next step is to go conference and negotiate a budget that can pass both houses. Since April the senate democrats have moved to do this some 18 times, with GOP senators blocking it each time. Why? Because they don’t want a negotiation in a conference committee. What they want is the shutdown situation we are in.

    ello (6f952f)

  23. Another way it is wrong is that the senate CR is not a “bump” in spending, but rather is at sequester levels, and is not just the result of a democratic congress, but also of negotiations with Boehner. He’s now refusing to put to a vote the negotiated CR.

    ello (6f952f)

  24. ello,
    Please don’t ignore 4 years of previous history as if it never happened. If you want to correct in good faith, correct in good faith, as I requested before.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  25. Sequester levels were Obama’s idea, and were/are minimal compared to the previous increase.
    And were another example of Obama trying to “inflict as much pain as possible”.

    Kind of like jacking up prices 25% then giving a 5% discount, I believe.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  26. 20. Comment by ello (6f952f) — 10/7/2013 @ 12:40 pm

    How much staff are they [House Republicans] devoting to finding worthwhile things to fund? Or are theythey just responding to whatever gets put in front of them in a pathetic attempt to curry favor with voters

    They’re just responding to whatever gets put in front of them in an attempt to take the sting out of any Democratic complaints that such and such a thing is not being funded, and the Democrats are refusing to pass their restorations of funding into law because they want the argument. I mean these bills take away the argument not just for now, but for ENTIRE Fiscal Year 2014!

    This isn’t the last possible government shutdown -the Senate continuing resolution expires November 15. the need these arguments.

    The bill restoring funding the military got signed into law, and the Democrats have agreed to another bill – one giving federal workers furloughed because of the shutdown the pay they would have earned, although Harry Reid seems in no hurry to actually get that passed that into law, as I guess so long as it is not yet law, they can argue that federal workers will be hurt. I don’t know.

    I mean this would take away his argument about the people at Nellis Air Force base and then maybe he’s be missing an argument for not passing the law funding the National Cancer Institute.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  27. 22. The Senate, yello, has not passed a budget, rather an amended version of an House CR, which they in turn offered seeing no progress toward Reid’s belated efforts.

    Moreover, without the Squeester, the CR’s fund government at the 2008 Stimulus levels, which reason the Senate has not passed a budget since, proving their inconstancy with the Constitution.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  28. I believe the only “hostage taking” going on here is the Senate Dems holding themselves hostage, Blazing Saddles style.
    Now, if only they would pull the trigger.

    BTW, Sammy, that bill you re in #10 is not a “McClinton”(sic) bill, but one written by CA’s own Representative McClintock – probably the most true-blue conservative in the House!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  29. “Please don’t ignore 4 years of previous history as if it never happened. If you want to correct in good faith, correct in good faith, as I requested before.”

    Don’t ignore it. The last 4 years is what the GOP is trying to continue.

    “Sequester levels were Obama’s idea, and were/are minimal compared to the previous increase.
    And were another example of Obama trying to “inflict as much pain as possible”.”

    If the GOP thinks the sequester is painful then they should favor ending it. The democrats likely would go along with it. But the 3 month CR that the senate issued at sequester levels and the house refuses to vote on was not “obama’s idea” that was the result of a negotiation between Reid and Boehner.

    ello (6f952f)

  30. “22. The Senate, yello, has not passed a budget, rather an amended version of an House CR, which they in turn offered seeing no progress toward Reid’s belated efforts.”

    They passed a budget in March. At least according to the liberal media. But maybe it’s all lies.

    ello (6f952f)

  31. No, according to Google, the President submitted a budget back in March, but nothing has been passed or signed.
    If you have proof otherwise, please state it.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  32. 29. Lew has berated the House for continuing the squeester “gimmick”, which gimmick is of Lew’s design, commiting Medicare and Defense to ‘equal’ cuts, supposedly painful on the one hand to the Left, and the other, the Right.

    As with ObamaneyCare, which ‘cut’ $500 Billion off Medicare over a decade, Medicare is a black-box. No one in DC knows or cares how much goes in or comes out.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  33. 31. Reid promised a budget and Patty Murray(WA) was heralded as the facilitator to see it thru.

    To my knowledge it has not been passed out of committee.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  34. The problem here is likely Budgets must originate with the House. Proceeding to reconciliation with a bill never passing the House in any form is a canard.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  35. I am not sure what the facts here are about he budget, and nobody in the major media seems interested in telling (or retelling – maybe they did it somewhere)

    The Senate did indeed pass a budget as aresult of the debt ceiling increase back around March which contained a provision that no members of Congress would get their pay until that was done.

    I don’t know whose fault it is that there’s no conference committee. If there was one, I don’t think they’d be anywhere close to comimng to an agreement.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  36. Tax bill must originate in the House, but that’s mostly become a technicality, as the Senate can amend House bills any way it wants.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  37. It got somewhat dark, but not really black, and theer was alight rain, now a heavier rain.

    No tornado so far.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  38. Latest news apparently is that Senator Harry Reid had a proposal for the Senate to appoint conferees on a budget, but only after the House passed the senate continuing resolution that expires November 15, but Senator Pat toomeny objected. The Republican proposal is that there be a conference committee on the continuing resolution.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  39. It seems like under the rules goerning budget cmmittees. if it doesn’t come to an agreement in 20 days, members could members of the House could offer “motions to instruct” the committee that required debate and a vote, which would not require the usual Rules committee resolution to be brought to tghe floor. Tea Party members and Democrats could offer completing resolutions, and something that didn’t get a majority of Republican votes could pass. Plus some controversial votes on matters only slightly related to the budget could be forced.

    A New York Times editorial on May 5 said:

    House leaders are stalling by insisting on a “preconference,” which Patty Murray, the Senate budget chairwoman, has resisted.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  40. Patty’s not used to having to go to conference, as the Senate was unable/unwilling to pass a budget resolution for over four years – so it is a process that she’s completely unfamiliar with, unlike the schools and clinics that Osama bin Laden built in Pakistan/Afghanistan “for the children”.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  41. Here’s the Washington Examiner, May 24:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-pushes-for-pre-conference-agreement-on-2014-budget/article/2530493

    The House minority has minimal power, but the threat of the parliamentary tools it can wield has spooked Republicans and led them to demand a budget agreement with Senate Democrats as a condition for proceeding to a conference committee.

    House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., acknowledged in an interview that his decision to seek a pre-conference agreement with Senate Budget Chairman Patty Murray, D-Wash., stems from his desire to block House Democrats from forcing unlimited, daily votes on fiscal matters, as would be their right under House rules if a conference committee failed to conclude within three weeks.

    Given how disparate the chambers’ fiscal 2014 budget resolutions are, bicameral negotiations could take months.

    GOP sources concede that House Republicans fear Democrats would force them to take politically difficult votes in the likelihood that the House-Senate conference committee did not reach a deal within 10 legislative days or 20 calendar days.

    Votes on “motions to instruct” can be requested on any subject germane to the federal budget, affording the Democrats wide latitude to press the Republicans on myriad thorny issues the GOP would prefer not to weigh in on.

    But Ryan said his primary objective is to prevent a divisive partisan battle that would consume Congress throughout the summer and make it harder for House Republicans and Senate Democrats to reach a budget compromise. The congressman also worries that a protracted budget fight would poison the legislative process and spill into negotiations to raise the debt ceiling, which the Congress must do this fall when the U.S. is expected to reach its borrowing limit….

    What happened?? We have a big fight, and negotiations failed anyway.

    With a budget, there would probably be more spending than under the continuing resolution, and possibly a tax or two, so it’s correct, Paul Ryan and the Republican leadership of the House avoided the legal budget process after the early spring of 2013, where previously they had wated it, or said they did.

    The normal budget process would allow Democrats to try to win on the House floor what they couldn’t in the conference committee.

    Now that the sequester is in place, the budget process, rather than the continuing resolution, may be a way to get more money for things and greater deficits..

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  42. Well, there is good news today ! An “immigration reform” rally will be allowed on the National Mall this week. None of those creepy vets will be allowed, though. Only good old fashioned illegal immigrants need apply.

    Mike K (dc6ffe)

  43. Senate Republicans also stopped murray fro appointing conference committee members. The Washington Examiner article said they wanted Democrats to drop their proposal to raise taxes (this would be informal, I don’t think it can be made binding) and they wanted to leave the debt ceiling issue open, so there’d be at least one must pass bill in the fall.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  44. The vets also could be allowed.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  45. Ello, imdw. Seek help.

    JD (8935bd)

  46. And it also must be said that President Obama probably contrived to hae the debt ceiling limit be reached in October.

    A whole bunch of gimmicks have been used since the spring and probably more are available.

    Obama is trying to close off all other options except a clean debt limit increase.

    The Senate refused to take up the McClintock bill. The Treasury arranged for an opinion by ts inspector general that, without this bill, he Secretary of the Treasury had no discretion as to what to spend and who to give priority to (of course the president does under his impoundment powers in the 1974 budget act I think.)

    Obama earlier ruled out of consideration the trillion dollar coin, and as for premium bonds (selling very high coupon bonds – all it requires is a change in Treasury rules, which the president can do) it could be done, but all that’s being kept off the table.

    Sammy Finkelman (5a5e76)

  47. The Senate refused to take up the McClintock bill.

    Harry refuses to allow his caucus to consider any legislation that may be “uncomfortable” for them politically – no matter how damaging their inaction may be for the country.
    Harry has his priorities.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  48. The One does not want to deal with the structural issue. The core problem is not the debt limit, it’s spending.It was bad under Bush it’s gotten even worse under Obama. Again eiterh Lew and Obama don’t care or they want to collapse the whole system. And at their own core the Obamanites want ACA to fail because longterm the only option will then be a big goverment federally-run one payer much bigger program.

    Bugg (f0dbc7)

  49. Bugg, Obama with Congressional Democrats made an agreement to make modest spending cuts in summer of 2011. They broke that agreement.

    SPQR (19047b)

  50. No matter the institution of higher learning, here’s what pocket pool has earned Jack Lew:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-07/danger-playing-debt-ceiling-chicken-440-billion-debt-maturing-november-15

    Wonder what happens to yields when >$Trillion in UST gets dumped on the markets instantly?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  51. A strongie strong strong Obama threw Scrote Reid under the bussie bus bus. I hope they back that sucker up and run over Reid again and again.

    Wait… Obama couldn’t have been strong on that, I’ve seen him throw, he throws like a girlie.

    Colonel Haiku (1810a1)

  52. ‘ello there ladies and gentlemen… ‘ello there ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to troll, are you ready to troll.

    Colonel Haiku (1810a1)

  53. Said in the voice of that famous Mexican soccer announcer:

    TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

    felipe (6100bc)

  54. Don’t ignore it. The last 4 years is what the GOP is trying to continue.

    That makes about as much sense as a 5 yo sticking their tongue out to end an argument.

    If the GOP thinks the sequester is painful then they should favor ending it.

    No, the GOP does not think the sequester spending cuts are painful. Many think the way that President Obama demanded they be put into place was made unnecessarily harmful,
    like canceling tours of the WH but continuing to host parties with big name musicians.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  55. Comment by felipe (6100bc) — 10/7/2013 @ 3:35 pm

    More “R”‘s needed.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  56. Feed the trolls two pence a bag…

    felipe (6100bc)

  57. I think you are right, MD. More (TRILLING) Rrrrrrrr’S!

    felipe (6100bc)

  58. No, the GOP does not think the sequester spending cuts are painful.

    They are not cuts, they are tiny reductions in the rate of growth.

    JD (5c1832)

  59. Wait… Obama couldn’t have been strong on that, I’ve seen him throw, he throws like a girlie.

    Our middle school’s girls softball team resents that, Haiku.

    nk (dbc370)


  60. Feed the trolls two pence a bag…

    Comment by felipe (6100bc) — 10/7/2013 @ 3:38 pm

    Too funny!!!

    Tangent- on one DVD version of Mary Poppins, Julie Andrews talks about that scene. Apparently the actress was at the end of a long and fabled career, and “treated like royalty”; a limo had been sent to pick her up and bring her to the set.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  61. Our middle school’s girls softball team resents that, Haiku.
    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 10/7/2013 @ 3:43 pm

    Since you mention it, I have thought that 13 yo girls on Facebook have similarly been unfairly characterized.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  62. The “budget” that the Senate passed in March of 2013 was not a formal budget, it was not compliant with the budgeting law. It was the equivalent of drawing a few numbers on a napkin.

    SPQR (768505)

  63. No offense to the fairer sex intended. Let me rectify… Obama throws like a light-loafered mincer.

    Colonel Haiku (9fea4c)

  64. This is getting worse all of the time.
    NPS shuts down a major road in the Smokies that is used as a school bus route, stranding kids at school and forcing parents to drive kids themselves on dangerous back-woods mountain roads.
    Not sure how long those hill folk are going to put up with the yankee shenanigans.
    maybe after meeting up in DC we should storm south.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/07/all-about-power-and-leverage-feds-shut-down-major-roadway-block-access-to/#content

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  65. I don’t think King George would have tried half of this nonsense.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  66. MD in Philly, I’m getting conflicting stories about whether or not the road over the continental divide into Estes Park in Colorado (through Rocky Mountain National Park) is closed. It was the only way into Estes Park for a bit as the floods washed out the main roads, highway 36 and highway 34. Trailridge Road over the continental divide through RMNP was a 2.5+ hour additional detour to get to Estes Park.

    Supposedly Highway 7 was reopened to the town but I’ve heard conflicting reports of whether it stayed open.

    SPQR (768505)

  67. Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/7/2013 @ 3:49 pm

    That only works for Art Laffer –
    way too sophisticated for Senators to understand.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  68. I wonder what the fallout will be the next time local elections are held for sheriff and such in all of these places where the locals are enabling the feds.
    Of course, one does have to decide what battle they are willing to be harassed by the IRS for, or lose their job for in the case of NPS employees who think it is wrong to do.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  69. Comment by SPQR (768505) — 10/7/2013 @ 4:14 pm

    Are you trying to say there are actual reasons to get into and out of Estes Park?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  70. What happened to failalot!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (f416ac)

  71. Why does NPS stand for this? Heads should roll.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  72. Sarahw- I think that the first heads that would roll would be anybody in the NPS that doesn’t cooperate with the edict that traces directly to the one, of even publicly going on record to say they were told to be jerks about it. I’m guessing the NPS is part of the Dept. of the Interior, answering to the Sec. who answers to the one.

    Perhaps someone will make one of those Hitler spoofs with him going off that somewhere little Timmy and Sally actually went for a hike in Federal lands without being stopped before hand, or arrested upon coming out of the forest.

    Can you even begin to imagine what the press would have done if Bush had tried something like this?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  73. The most addictive drug in history – O P M – Other Peoples Money

    comment left on Mercury news article

    priceless

    EPWJ (f44e22)

  74. Barack, he puts up a din
    The Dems are nothing but spin
    They shout and rave,
    “Boehner will cave!”
    ‘Cause the Dems think that they will win.

    The Limerick Avenger (af9ec3)

  75. Obama preens and cries
    and lies? this fuggin’ guy
    with Reid and Pelosi
    don’t need no Lugosi
    to know they’re sucking us dry

    Colonel Haiku (c205fb)

  76. and then there’s one Mister Jack Lew
    Wallace asked Lew if’n he knew
    if folks had success
    or if still one big mess
    True Lew bit off more than could chew

    Colonel Haiku (c205fb)

  77. President Obama- “This land is my land, this land is my land…”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  78. There are a lot of trolls that stop by for whatever reason, but they all seem to have the same pitch. I will italicize the places where you can substitute the crisis of the day. It goes something like this:

    “Hey, you stupid teabaggers, something bad has, will or is about to happen. The government has the resources to make this not happen. Why do you hate the children, mothers, minorities, disadvantaged.

    “Hey, you like this government program. Why would you want to bankrupt the nation to stop what you love?

    Add your own. It’s a fun game. If the regular trolls get tired, we can substitute their comments.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  79. http://instagram.com/p/fMKBmWhmvs/

    Obama’s paddywagon.

    SPQR (768505)

  80. Did Uribe’s homer re-enter Earth’s atmosphere yet?

    JD (5c1832)

  81. After Obama lost the House of Representatives, no budget has ever passed Congress and the Senate. In fact, until this year, the Senate never even passed it’s own SHAMWOW budget. Even a mongoloid idiot would understand why. Any CONTINUING RESOLUTION allows the continued spending of PORK-O-RAMA aka, the REALLY REALLY GOOD, SAVE THE NATION FROM A SECOND GREAT DEPRESSION BILL brought to you by OBAMA INC.

    GUS (70b624)

  82. A new LIBTARD level of GUBMINT spending was created by the PORKULUS BILL. A continuing resolution in perpetuity, allowed an extra COOL TRILLLLLLLION per ANUM. And BOEHNER took the bait.

    GUS (70b624)

  83. From the (Jonah) Goldberg File October 4th:

    ….Contrary to a lot of hootenanny and balderdash, Republicans aren’t happy about the shutdown, but they do enjoy mocking liberals about it. That’s because conservatives are not in fact anarchists. We believe that there are some things the government must do. And there are even a few things that it should do even if it is not required to. The government must have an army. But — I believe — it should fund the NIH.

    These are distinctions that I think most conservatives find quite easy to make. But from the liberal perspective, it’s all one seamless garment of government….

    There’s a lot more there. It may not be posted online.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  84. I agree with the views of Jonah Goldberg shown above. There are many things conservatives like myself understand the government not only “must” do but are Constitutionally obligated to do. Then there are many, many more which they shouldn’t be doing and by the Constitution have absolutely no right to do.

    But isn’t that what this whole argument is about to begin with? If we refuse to fund that which they shouldn’t be doing then there will be more for those they should. Or maybe ( God forbid) a surplus.

    Hoagie (0cccd8)

  85. Hoagie, bite your tongue;
    that is Counter-Revolutionary talk, and must be suppressed.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  86. Compare these 2 sets of people who engaged in civil disobedience and were arrested or fined:

    First, 8 Congressmen and women in Washington attending the DC immigration rally were arrested.

    Second, 2 dozen visitors at the Grand Canyon were issued citations for illegally entering the park.

    I have a feeling the first group of people aren’t going to be punished. I have the opposite feeling about the second group of people.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  87. I have the opposite feeling

    All in the context of an IRS dishing out brazenly fear-mongering audits and tactics, a US military trapped in Nidal-Hasan political correctness, an NSA/FBI punked by Edward Snowden, a State Department slapped by Benghazi, a Justice Department enraptured by Trayvon-Martin legalese, a Treasury Department whipped by PRC China, and a US presidency kowtowing to Putin.

    America is getting very long in the tooth, and whose fault is that?

    Mark (58ea35)


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