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10/4/2013

Enraging Media Bias: L.A. Times Blames GOP for Layoffs That the GOP Is Trying to End, But Can’t Because of Harry Reid and Barack Obama

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:38 am



Today’s example of blatant media bias comes to us courtesy of (naturally) the Los Angeles Times, in a story titled Government shutdown puts squeeze on Republican moderates:

NEW HANOVER TOWNSHIP, N.J. — Kenn Challender, a Republican, is not thrilled with Obamacare.

But this week, he’s a lot more worried about how he’s going to pay the mortgage and feed his three children. The government shutdown has temporarily cost him his job as a civilian aircraft mechanic at a nearby military base.

“I talked to the bank, and they said the best they could do would be to waive the late fee,” said Challender, 33, standing underneath the American flag on his front step. “There’s nothing I can do about it now.”

This pocket of small-town New Jersey, mostly Republican and deeply dependent on nearby Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, is filled with military retirees and now, with the shutdown, thousands of angry, idled workers like Challender.

Why, those damned Republicans! Why won’t they vote to pay civilian mechanics who are working for the military?

Except, Republicans are the only ones who are working to do just that. And the L.A. Times refuses to tell you.

H.R. 3241 is the Pay our Guardsmen and Civilian Defense Personnel Act. Its purpose:

To amend the Pay Our Military Act to provide for continuing appropriations for defense civilian personnel (including military technicians (dual status)) and members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces performing inactive-duty training.

The people behind the bill are Republicans like Austin Scott, the bill’s sponsor.

The bill is in committee, but if it gets passed by the House (which I think likely, and which I encourage the House to do), it would be killed by Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

You’d think that fact could merit a mention in this blamestory.

You’d think that — until you realize that the story appears in the Los Angeles Times, where fairness is only an occasional accident.

220 Responses to “Enraging Media Bias: L.A. Times Blames GOP for Layoffs That the GOP Is Trying to End, But Can’t Because of Harry Reid and Barack Obama”

  1. The GoP needs to start getting on every news station that will allow them and get as many commercials out there as possible showing how they are trying to help the hard working people of the country, but the leftists are refusing to because they want the people to suffer as painfully as possible. Get the quotes from the sequester and use them.

    NJRob (3abb5b)

  2. “mostly Republican and deeply dependent”

    on the slops of a fascist thugwhore government

    and so this is christmas and what have you done

    elissa’s still awol we miss her a ton

    People are being very dramatic about the government being “shutdown” or whatevers but if it was really a for reals crisis Meghan’s coward daddy would’ve suspended his campaign and flown immediately to Washington to hammer out a solution. We’ve seen this movie before.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. finding bias in the Slimes is like finding water in the ocean.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  4. The GOP is in this awful bind because a dozen or so House member want to end the slowdown, yet no one in the media seems to want to comment that the “united Democrats” who are standing on principle keep losing 25-30 members each time the GOP brings up a measure to fund a specific part of the government. Couldn’t a story be written with the headline “GOP Funding Strategy Reveals Cracks in Democrat Unity”? But of course that doesn’t serve the narrative, does it?

    JVW (93c84b)

  5. As long as the Park Service and Harry Reid are active, especially on CNN, the public will start to figure this out. I was not enthusiastic about this tactic on Obamacare but I’m starting to believe the Democrats, for once, will screw this up. Remember, in 1996, the GOP did not lose big in the House elections. Gingrich messed that up but it still only affected Bob Dole, a loser if I ever saw one.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  6. The Dems know that their method of budgeting/funding must be ALL or nothing, as that is the only way they can hide the non-essentials, bureaucracy and massive waste of taxpayer money. That’s why the LA Times characterizes and covers it this way.

    Colonel Haiku (207b84)

  7. Mare Island, Presidio, Sacramento Army Depot, Mather Air Force Base, McClelland Air Force Base – all of them full of civilian contractors and aircraft mechanics and surrounded by Republican enclaves – closed as a part of the reduction in force under President Clinton.

    And our well stocked pool of Democrats in Congress, many of them still in office today, didn’t protect Californian interests. Feinstein and Pelosi left us swinging in the wind.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  8. 6. Comment by Colonel Haiku (207b84) — 10/4/2013 @ 8:41 am

    The Dems know that their method of budgeting/funding must be ALL or nothing, as that is the only way they can hide the non-essentials, bureaucracy and massive waste of taxpayer money.

    That’s probably it, or even if as much 75% of the government is left unfunded, so that what’s real waste does not become noticeable (and it is hard to get too noticeable because it would be funded in hige chunks), still the shutdown will last longer if these bills pass into law, and some people won’t get their money..

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  9. “…squeez(ing)… Republican Moderates…”

    Yeah, all three of them, plus Peter King of NY who has passed moderate.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  10. Comment by MikeK (dc6ffe) — 10/4/2013 @ 8:24 am

    Reports this AM that the Barrycades in DC around “open” memorials are being reinforced with wire to prevent their being moved.

    I suppose stringing concertina is next!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  11. everyone does realize that not ONE single person “effected” by the shutdown has yet to miss a single paycheck … not one …
    Oct 3rd and this guy is already flat broke … I’m thinking he was flat broke before the shutdown …

    JeffC (488234)

  12. These (the “moderate” GOP’ers in the House) are the remnants of the “Surrender Caucus” that bailed in ’95-’96 just as Billy Jeff was ready to cry “Uncle”, handing the White House a victory snatched from the jaws of defeat (see Stephanopolis’ new book).

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  13. This is just plain ridiculous. If the GOP has passed a bill to fund this, and the democrats are refusing to vote on it because any bill that doesn’t fund Obamacare and everything they want is a “trick”, then the LA Times can at least explain these two positions.

    It’s nothing short of lying to skip that part of the story.

    Dustin (303dca)

  14. O/T….Has the Times said anything about Rizzo, the corrupt City Mgr in Bell, coping a plea to the embezzlement charges on the doorstep of trial?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  15. The GOP could end the shutdown any time with a clean CR. They know it, you know it, and more importantly the public knows it.

    The GOP is holding the government hostage to try and get a policy change it can’t get through proper channels (by, you know, voting and stuff).

    It’s supremely clear who here is the root cause of the shutdown. Sorry but you are just not going to be able to shake that.

    Tlaloc (14c5ca)

  16. Your Honor, that rape need not have turned into murder. Got it, Tatloc.

    nk (dbc370)

  17. The Dems could fund vital services any time by approving the piecemeal bills the House has passed. They know it, you know it, and more importantly the public will soon figure it out.

    The Dems are holding the government hostage to divert attention away from Obama’s foreign policy failures and the botched ObamaCare rollout.

    It’s supremely clear here who is the root cause of the shutdown. Sorry but you are just not going to be able to shake that.

    JVW (93c84b)

  18. Like a terrier with a rat, TaLaLa embraces Teh Lie.

    Colonel Haiku (d63e9f)

  19. This idea of a clean CR being the only way forward is a complete fabrication. Under normal process, there are 12 different appropriations bills.

    JD (3e5afb)

  20. And there should be more, as many Departments (we’re thinking of you DHS) are too big and fractured to fund in one measure, reasonably.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  21. The Dems could fund vital services any time by approving the piecemeal bills the House has passed. They know it, you know it, and more importantly the public will soon figure it out.

    The Dems are holding the government hostage to divert attention away from Obama’s foreign policy failures and the botched ObamaCare rollout.

    It’s supremely clear here who is the root cause of the shutdown. Sorry but you are just not going to be able to shake that.

    You should read this:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/–100454

    it explains not only where you’ve been but where you are going. You might find it edifying.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  22. Tender loving abuser leftist Obama cipher, did you phone that one in from your free Obama phone that you received for signing up for O-care, which you probably haven’t done?

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  23. Under normal process, there are 12 different appropriations bills.

    Define normal please.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  24. Tender loving abuser leftist Obama cipher, did you phone that one in from your free Obama phone that you received for signing up for O-care, which you probably haven’t done?

    I haven’t signed up for Obamacare for the simple reason that I get healthcare from my employer. You guys can’t seem to grasp this- obamacare exchanges are for those who *don’t* have insurance already.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  25. Now Jay carney just said that 0bama “utterly disavows” a WH spokesman’s comment that the WH “doesn’t care how long the shutdown lasts” and that “all that matters is the end result”.

    Haha!

    Colonel Haiku (c27e3f)

  26. I’ll define AbbyNormal… TaLaLa exemplifies AbbyNormal

    Colonel Haiku (c27e3f)

  27. You guys can’t seem to grasp this- obamacare exchanges are for those who *don’t* have insurance already.

    Or for those that have been dropped because of the burden it placed on the employer. Or those that had their hours cut, or job lost because of the weight of this monstrosity.

    JD (3e5afb)

  28. I haven’t signed up for Obamacare for the simple reason that I get healthcare from my employer. You guys can’t seem to grasp this- obamacare exchanges are for those who *don’t* have insurance already.

    Does your company have 50+ employees? Has you employer provided healthcare plan had to change to meet the new federal standards?

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  29. Normal is when the Senate passes more than 2 budgets in 6 years.

    JD (3e5afb)

  30. Does your company have 50+ employees? Has you employer provided healthcare plan had to change to meet the new federal standards?

    Way more than 50. As in thousands. Off the top of my head I don’t know if it had to change.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  31. I haven’t signed up for Obamacare for the simple reason that I get healthcare from my employer. You guys can’t seem to grasp this- obamacare exchanges are for those who *don’t* have insurance already.
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 11:14 am

    — I know exactly how Obamacare works . . . or doesn’t work, as the case may be. I was just askin’.

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  32. Normal is when the Senate passes more than 2 budgets in 6 years.

    Senate passed a budget in march, so far the house has refused to name conferees. So remind me who is at fault?

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  33. I know exactly how Obamacare works . . . or doesn’t work, as the case may be. I was just askin’.

    Okay, you might want to avoid asking questions that make it sound as if you were ignorant then. Just saying.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  34. TaLaLa is right… His employer Burger King does have thousands of employees

    Colonel Haiku (146aeb)

  35. Ding- fries are done!

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  36. Senate’s March 2013 budget hikes taxes by a trillion dollars amongst other insanities.

    Might have been nice if it went to conference or something but I guess Tea Party, shut up..

    luagha (5cbe06)

  37. Unfortunately for TaLaLa, he’s been cut back to 28 hours. But there is a silver lining… Less time over the deep fat fryer is better for his skin.

    Colonel Haiku (146aeb)

  38. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/–100454

    Tlaloc, bless your heart for suggesting that I read a TPM release and lend it any credibility. Why don’t I just take the press releases from the DNC as gospel truth while I am at it?

    Wait here while I go find some counter-arguments over at Free Republic, OK?

    JVW (93c84b)

  39. Tlaloc, bless your heart for suggesting that I read a TPM release and lend it any credibility.

    It’ll take you 30 seconds to read, and you might find it makes a lot of sense.

    Wait here while I go find some counter-arguments over at Free Republic, OK?

    See that’s a big difference between us. I read lots of free republic, redstate, townhall, hot air, so I can see the arguments of the right. That way I make sure I don’t live in an information bubble, if you get my drift…

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  40. Epistemic closure teabaggerz!!!!!

    JD (3e5afb)

  41. That way I make sure I don’t live in an information bubble

    true dat: from all appearances, you live in an anti-information bubble.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  42. See that’s a big difference between us. I read lots of free republic, redstate, townhall, hot air, so I can see the arguments of the right. That way I make sure I don’t live in an information bubble, if you get my drift…

    Atta boy, Tlaloc. If you are a right-winger like me, you can’t avoid the standard liberal arguments from the NY Times, the Wasington Post, the LA Times, Newsweek (when that existed), most of the nightly news channels, and the popular culture. Believe me, the TPM article (yes, I scanned it) is nothing that isn’t being published on HuffPost, Slate, Gawker, and the whole panoply of leftie web-chatter. Why should I read the same story six times? It’s called Talking Points Memo for a reason — they give out talking points which are expected to be recycled by their media allies.

    JVW (93c84b)

  43. Define normal please.

    Regular Order!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  44. Way more than 50. As in thousands. Off the top of my head I don’t know if it had to change.

    My company has ~300 employees, and we had to change our plan, as well as, the flex spending accounts offered. We had to hire additional benefit coordinators, too.

    You may say that that’s the cost of doing business, but my company is headquartered in California, and the regulatory environment is already toxic. This puts us at a competitive disadvantage. It’s difficult to grow when an increasing amount of your capital is spent on administration rather than research and development.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  45. But, the House has passed a FY-2014 Budget, what has the Senate done with that bill that was sent to them?
    Did Harry even allow a vote?
    Or, did he just prefer his Trillion$+ increase in taxes courtesy of Patty?
    BTW, doesn’t Tax legislation have to originate in the House?
    Perhaps these aren’t taxes that are being raised, but fees for access to ObamaCare?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  46. 45- …more….
    or fees to access the WW-2 Memorial after the fences go up.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  47. Epistemic closure teabaggerz!!!!!

    Whew! I was afraid I had made my point to subtly.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  48. Atta boy, Tlaloc. If you are a right-winger like me, you can’t avoid the standard liberal arguments from the NY Times, the Wasington Post, the LA Times, Newsweek (when that existed), most of the nightly news channels, and the popular culture. Believe me, the TPM article (yes, I scanned it) is nothing that isn’t being published on HuffPost, Slate, Gawker, and the whole panoply of leftie web-chatter. Why should I read the same story six times? It’s called Talking Points Memo for a reason — they give out talking points which are expected to be recycled by their media allies.

    Alrighty, so then you know why the right’s attempt to shirk their responsibility isn’t playing well…

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  49. You may say that that’s the cost of doing business, but my company is headquartered in California, and the regulatory environment is already toxic. This puts us at a competitive disadvantage.

    You know what would erase that competitive disadvantage? Single payer.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  50. But, the House has passed a FY-2014 Budget, what has the Senate done with that bill that was sent to them?
    Did Harry even allow a vote?

    The house passes a budget. The senate passes a budget, then they go to conference to hash out the differences, except the house won’t name conferees…

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  51. two…to…too…
    Confused much?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  52. Irreconcilable Differences?

    Sounds like they need a good Divorce Lawyer.
    Or, a Dueling Master.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  53. BTW, who are the Senate Conferees?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  54. Or, a Dueling Master.
    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 10/4/2013

    There was a blurb a number of days ago where a fencing coach stopped a mugging. he was coming out of practice and headed to his car in a parking lot when he saw two guys attacking a woman. Still in his knickers and epee’ in hand and raised, he charged at them and they took off.

    Who says fencing isn’t practical???

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  55. BTW, who are the Senate Conferees?

    No idea, I just know the senate says it is ready whenever the house is and the hose is balking.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  56. Alrighty, so then you know why the right’s attempt to shirk their responsibility isn’t playing well…

    Color me SHOCKED that leftist rags spit out the White House talking points.

    JD (507a70)

  57. Color me SHOCKED that leftist rags spit out the White House talking points.

    As the saying goes, history doesn’t repeat but it rhymes. The house is doing all the same things it did last time. How did that work out for them?

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  58. No idea, I just know the senate says it is ready whenever the house is

    Right.

    JD (507a70)

  59. how about that;

    http://minx.cc/?post=343921

    narciso (3fec35)

  60. Comment by Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba) — 10/4/2013 @ 12:21 pm

    I wonder if anyone anywhere is actually compiling factual information on all of this,
    or if it is so scattered it is too hard to find,
    or if it would require the cooperation of private insurance companies who wouldn’t be interested.

    Do state insurance commissions keep tabs on stats that would be helpful?

    I’m assuming if there was solid good news we would hear about it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  61. No idea, I just know the senate says it is ready whenever the house is

    Right.

    It’d be trivial for the house to call the senate’s bluff (if they are bluffing) just name conferees…

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  62. Tlaloc, are you familiar with ‘three co-equal branches of government,’ or ‘separation of powers’ ?

    This Democrat notion that since Obama is the President, the House must do what The Obama demands is rather foolish. The House controls the purse strings, according to that inconvenient document that we on the Right refer to as “The Constitution.”

    Also, there’s a storied history of Presidents giving up something in exchange for Congress raising the debt ceiling. This Obama person refuses to negotiate, however.
    It is true that The Obama is different from all the other Presidents who have preceded him—but it has nothing to do with skin color. Rather, it has to do with the color of his character and the fact that the United States has probably never seen such a narcissist as President, before.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  63. If the Senate is “ready” they would have named their conferees….Who are they?
    Otherwise, this is just another in a long line of stalls, delays, obfuscations, and other lies by the Majority Leader, Searchlight’s very own Dim Bulb!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  64. Tlaloc, are you familiar with ‘three co-equal branches of government,’ or ‘separation of powers’ ?

    I’m aware that there was never any intention of the power of the purse to be a line item veto for the house.

    Also, there’s a storied history of Presidents giving up something in exchange for Congress raising the debt ceiling. This Obama person refuses to negotiate, however.

    Is there a storied tradition of a party roundly rejected at the most recent election holding the country hostage in order to overturn a law that have never had the votes to repeal, a law which has been challenged and survived at the Supreme Court?

    I kind of doubt it. You can see where this appears to be nothing more than an anti-democratic tantrum?

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  65. If the Senate is “ready” they would have named their conferees….Who are they?
    Otherwise, this is just another in a long line of stalls, delays, obfuscations, and other lies by the Majority Leader, Searchlight’s very own Dim Bulb!

    Again if that were the case it’d be trivial to call him on it, but the house hasn’t, have they?

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  66. The medium is the message.

    You’re right randomly spouting trite cliches is fun!

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  67. I’m aware that there was never any intention of the power of the purse to be a line item veto for the house.
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 1:04 pm

    Who says? Prove it.

    Stashiu3 (e7ebd8)

  68. I’m aware that there was never any intention of the power of the purse to be a line item veto for the house.

    Except, the House is given the power to write those lines, and only the lines that can acquire a majority vote within the House…it is one of those powers that are separated.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  69. The Senate under Reed has no track record of being serious about passing a budget. None. Zero. They have passed 2 budgets in 6 years from the senate. But now you would have us believe they are serious about passing a responsible budget, something Reed has never done? It is to laugh.

    JD (5c1832)

  70. SQUIRREL!!!!!!!

    JD (5c1832)

  71. Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 10/4/2013 @ 1:07 pm

    It is a shame there isn’t a media willing to illustrate how small and petty our President is.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  72. Tlaloc,

    You call it “holding the country hostage.”

    But it is actually called, “separation of powers” and “three co-equal brances of government.
    Republicans in the House didn’t lose an electionthey’re in the House because they won their elections.

    You lefties believe some awfully silly things.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  73. It’s Portland, JD, don’t try to figure it out.

    narciso (3fec35)

  74. Who says? Prove it.

    Nice try asking me to prove a negative. Here’s an idea why don’t you prove this massive power grab was an intended power?

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  75. they’re in the House because they won their elections sit in heavily gerrymandered districts.

    FIFY. Remember the reublicans lost the vote in the house by several million.

    Tlaloc (504b91)

  76. Is this spit out leftist canards day?

    JD (507a70)

  77. Article 1, Section 7 is now a massive power grab.

    JD (507a70)

  78. Nice try asking me to prove a negative. Here’s an idea why don’t you prove this massive power grab was an intended power?
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 1:15 pm

    You made the statement. Back it up. I’m not doing your work for you. Here’s a hint, turn it into a positive, then cite your source.

    My proof is the Constitution. What’s yours?

    Stashiu3 (e7ebd8)

  79. Tlaloc,

    This is so typical of you and your angry Alinskyite friends at Code Pink.
    You seek to delegitimize elections with all sorts of acrobatic logic illogic.
    Do you not understand the premise of the electoral college ? How about the premise of representation in the House VS the Senate ?

    Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Vermont, New Hamshire, Massachusetts, and Maine do not collectively add up the population of Texas, yet there’s a disparate ratio there of SIXTEEN United States Senators for those eight states to Texas’ TWO.

    Sixteen Democrat votes in the U.S. Senate, yet they do no represent as many people as Ted Cruz’s and John Cornyn’s one state does.
    Where’s the “equity” or “fairness” in that ? Do you still want to talk about “gerrymandered” districts in the House, Einstein ?
    If so, would you argue that Texas’ TWO Senators Cruz and Cornyn should inherently have the voting power of EIGHT votes whenever they vote in the US Senate ?

    Tlaloc, I find you entertaining despite the fact you’re a philosophical car crash; your wheels are spinning, but you’re upside down.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  80. Well it’s hard to ascertain if he’s just a fool or a knave, the pattern suggests the latter.

    narciso (3fec35)

  81. My proof is the Constitution. What’s yours?

    Please do point me to the article of the constitution that says the house gets a line item veto of all acts of government in perpetuity. I missed that one.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  82. TaLaLa… On your afternoon break, sneak a peak at your pocket US Constitution, specifically at article I, section 7, clause 1 and article I, section 9, clause 7… should help to clear your confusion, key word “should”.

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  83. Notice how it takes it’s talking point and redefines words and phrases.

    JD (507a70)

  84. Remember when leftists yammered about consolidation of power and unitary executives?

    JD (507a70)

  85. You seek to delegitimize elections with all sorts of acrobatic logic illogic.

    The gerrymandering of the house of representatives after the 2010 census is illogic? Weird here I thought it was historical fact. Nope, it really is fact, we can find all sorts of evidence for it.

    Do you not understand the premise of the electoral college ? How about the premise of representation in the House VS the Senate ?

    Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Vermont, New Hamshire, Massachusetts, and Maine do not collectively add up the population of Texas, yet there’s a disparate ratio there of SIXTEEN United States Senators for those eight states to Texas’ TWO.

    Yeah, that was a conscious choice by the founders so that small states still had some representation in the government. It’s an arguable choice of course, but it’s nothing at all like gerrymandering. Now if states shifted their borders in a cynical game to maximize their representation, that’d be like gerrymandering.

    To be fair both sides are guilty of it and if the dems had won 2010 I’m sure they would have drawn the boundaries in a way that suited them.

    Nevertheless it’s simply a fact that the GOP house majority is due to gerrymandering, not due to actual popularity. They lost the vote for the house by several million. In some magical fair drawing of boundaries they would have lost the house by a large margin.

    Tlaloc, I find you entertaining despite the fact you’re a philosophical car crash;

    Since you lack the most basic understanding of why our electoral system is designed the way it is i think you might want to refrain from criticizing others. That sort of embarrassment is kind of painful to watch, even to someone like me who is long accustomed to conservative prideful ignorance.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  86. Congress was given what is commonly known as the power of the purse, and at the Constitutional Convention it was decided that the House of Representatives should hold more of that power than the Senate because the House “was more immediately the representatives of the people, and it was a maxim that the people ought to hold the purse-strings.”

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  87. You know what would erase that competitive disadvantage? Single payer.

    That’s not the law. Democrats had a veto proof majority when the president first took office, but chose to pass the law we currently have. If single payer was so good for business, why wouldn’t they have made it part of the ACA?

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  88. Thus endeth teh lesson…

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  89. TaLaLa… On your afternoon break, sneak a peak at your pocket US Constitution, specifically at article I, section 7, clause 1 and article I, section 9, clause 7… should help to clear your confusion, key word “should”.

    A1 S7 C1:
    All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

    A1 S9 C7:
    No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

    Not really helping since it says nothing of the sort of the house being given a line item veto over all legislation in perpetuity. That’s exactly what you guys are demanding afterall. The “right” of the house to shut down any and all legislation by fiat whenever they like.

    But, no, that’s not a massive unconstitutional power grab because PURSE STRINGS!

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  90. A better question is why they bothered with the ACA, a republican helath care plan at all. The answer is two fold- 1) obama wanted insurance industry buy in which he would not have gotten with single payer, and 2) he stupidly thought by promoting a republican plan that he could make it bipartisan.

    But you guys showed him! You proved beyond a doubt that when he served up the very thing you fought for a decade ago you’d scream “KENYAN MARXIST MUSLIM” (extra points for not seeing the irony in that). It took him quite a while but he seems to have finally (!) internalized the fact that the right cannot be negotiated with. They have been reduced to screaming babies throwing tantrums constantly. There are of course the few intellectuals left on the right but they’ve been shouted down, and nobody of real influence listens to them on your side.

    The current impasse is case in point. The thinking republicans knew it was an idiotic maneuver but the inmates are in charge and the asylum is run to suit them.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  91. sorry screwed up my blockquote on 92. It was a reply to 89 (Huitzilincuatec)

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  92. “Not really helping since it says nothing of the sort of the house being given a line item veto over all legislation in perpetuity. That’s exactly what you guys are demanding afterall. “

    That’s really just a lie, Tlaloc. The budget is also recast each session. It always has been. It always will be. And there are lots of things that have been enacted into law, that are then stopped from occurring by a refusal of Congress to appropriate money. One example is that the Gun Control Act of 1968 provides for a way for Americans, that are prohibited from possessing firearms by law, to petition for the return of their firearms rights. Congress has not repealed that provision but every year forbids the ATF from spending any money considering petitions – thereby denying that statutory right to Americans.

    Oh, by the way, that spending provision was first adopted by a Democrat controlled Congress.

    So once again – indeed, still – you are simply full of crap.

    Oh, and its hilarious that you want to pretend that gerrymandering is something that only happened in 2010.

    SPQR (768505)

  93. “… obama wanted insurance industry buy in which he would not have gotten with single payer”

    I’m not sure I understand your assertion. In a single payer system, there is no private insurance. The need for private insurance would be eliminated. Why would he need a buy-in from the insurance industry?

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  94. Tlaloc,

    Good Allah, man, I used to think you were pretending to be this dense, but now I’m not so sure.

    How about if we start from the start.
    America is not a pure democracy.
    Therefore, complaining and whining about the “unfairness” and “inequity” of gerrymandered House districts that benefit Republicans is pure Code Pink temper tantrum stuff. Gerrymandering is the spoils of victory of having won the 2010 House. But keep in mind, gerrymandering helps Democrats, too, because it ensures that they have a number of air-tight districts. What else explains how a criminal such as Charlie Rangel continues to get elected ?
    Your complaining about the unfairness of gerrymandered districts is also just pissing in the wind, because the Founders’ intentions were never to have a pure democracy that you lefties fantasize having.

    Separation of powers and the three co-equal brances of government was structured in order to temper too much power invested in any single person or faction or branch. This is called “checks and balances.”

    We know that you’d like to crown the Hawaiian Prince as the King of the World who has the authority to grant waivers and exemptions from federal laws, and use the I.R.S. to punish his political opponents, but that’s not how we roll in America.

    And oh by the way, as many others have explained to you, the power of the purse is with the House—and those guys all won their elections in 2012.

    Obama winning the White House does not negate the fact that the GOP won the House. Again, it all goes back to CO-EQUAL branches of government.

    Obama may have the power of the purse in a different context, but I won’t give any further speculation as to the role reversals that he and six foot two hundred pound Michelle (or ‘bodyman’ Reggie Love ?) engage in when they’re behind closed doors.
    After all, they’re two consenting adults.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  95. BTW, I’m not a Republican. Never was. I was a Democrat for 25 years and went Independent when Harold Ford lost as Minority leader to Nancy Pelosi in 2002.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  96. So once again – indeed, still – you are simply full of crap.

    Which is why the nick of “turdlock” is so apropos.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  97. A Correction, ES:

    Gerrymandering is the spoils of winning, in 2010, a majority in State Legislative District races, for that is where Congressional District Lines are drawn.

    In Statehouses across America, the Dems took a drubbing in 2010, not a little of which was influenced by that dreaded terrorist group, The TEA Party!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  98. askeptic,

    Yes, thank you for catching my lame error.
    The state legislatures draw up the Congressional districts every ten years, after the Census.
    I actually remember how Eric Holder went after Texas because he felt that the Texas state legislature had “unfairly” gerrymandered districts resulting in “minorities” being “victimized.”

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  99. “Gerrymandering is the spoils of winning, in 2010, a majority in State Legislative District races, for that is where Congressional District Lines are drawn.”

    Do you know how old “Gerrymandering” is ?

    I swear some of you guys were born last week.

    MikeK (dc6ffe)

  100. You know, at government of all levels, from your local school district all the way up to the upper levels of Washington DC, there is a serious need for some ass whuppin’!
    And I don’t mean figuratively.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  101. Governor Eldbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  102. askeptic, and let me tell you, when they get a whupping, they whine and whine and whine.

    E.g., John Morse and Angela Giron here in Colorado.

    And man, does it feel goooooood.

    SPQR (768505)

  103. Massive power grab is Obumbler usurping All power through executive fiat and deciding – along with RICO Holder – which laws are to be/not be enforced.

    Some CiC !!!

    Colonel Haiku (198f23)

  104. Break over, TaLaLa is working beverage…

    Colonel Haiku (198f23)

  105. Old saying regarding particularly egregious behavior:

    Get a whip, hangings too good for him!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  106. Massive take-my-ball-and-go-home petulance is Obumbler refusing to negotiate with Congress.

    Oh… teh Incompetence!

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  107. By far, pound for pound the worst administration evah.

    Colonel Haiku (1d6084)

  108. Don’t forget that Obama really is the problem.

    His word is no good.

    Two years, with the debt ceiling talks, he agreed to modest spending cuts or in the alternative the sequester that he proposed. Obama never submitted any budget cuts. His follow up budget for FY 13 had increases everywhere. He broke his word and the sequester was invoked. Now the CR dispute started with the Democrats demanding a “clean” CR that continued spending at pre-sequester levels.

    Now we see that Obama isn’t even pretending to negotiate, but even if he was, no one trusts him. The reality is that even the Democrats don’t trust him.

    SPQR (768505)

  109. I think that if we said the moon really wasn’t made out of cheese after all, Tlaloc would reflexively answer, “Oh yes it is!!”

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  110. MD in Philly, nonsense. Tlaloc would begin describing the Moon’s creamy cheese texture and how well it tastes like Brie.

    SPQR (768505)

  111. Yes, he thinks the argument clinic is real;

    narciso (3fec35)

  112. At least the argument clinic was funny.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  113. Comment by Colonel Haiku (1d6084) — 10/4/2013 @ 3:12 pm

    The “Lillian Hellman Presidency”!

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  114. Alrighty, so then you know why the right’s attempt to shirk their responsibility isn’t playing well…
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 12:46 pm

    — I wasn’t aware that the ACA included within it a mandate that Congress must fund the ACA.

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  115. You know what would erase that competitive disadvantage? Single payer.
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 12:47 pm

    — Lord knows, nothing does a better job of leveling the playing field than only allowing one team to take that field.

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  116. Oh, and its hilarious that you want to pretend that gerrymandering is something that only happened in 2010.

    Tell me SPQR, were you just hoping nobody read what I wrote about both sides being guilty of gerrymandering? I can’t think of any other reason you’d think you could get away with such a blatant lie.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  117. I’m not sure I understand your assertion. In a single payer system, there is no private insurance. The need for private insurance would be eliminated. Why would he need a buy-in from the insurance industry?

    Because during the period you are trying to pass single payer private insurance is still around and will be actively lobbying against it of course. On the other hand they were pretty amenable to the ACA.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  118. I’m aware that there was never any intention of the power of the purse to be a line item veto for the house.
    Comment by Tlaloc (504b91) — 10/4/2013 @ 1:04 pm
    Who says? Prove it.
    Comment by Stashiu3 (e7ebd8) — 10/4/2013 @ 1:10 pm

    — I second that challenge.

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  119. America is not a pure democracy.
    Therefore, complaining and whining about the “unfairness” and “inequity” of gerrymandered House districts that benefit Republicans is pure Code Pink temper tantrum stuff.

    You misunderstand the point ES. See you guys like to pretend that because you hold the house it means you have a democratic mandate. The fact that you only hold the house due to gerrymandering completely undercuts that argument. That’s the point- to show a false argument you guys routinely rely upon, is just that, false. Clear now?

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  120. Tlaloc, given that it was Obama that said that elections had consequences, once again we see that your “point” is full of crap.

    SPQR (768505)

  121. The bottom line, Tlaloc, is that you move the goalposts around so much that the DOT is going to require you to get a moving company license.

    SPQR (768505)

  122. Because during the period you are trying to pass single payer private insurance is still around and will be actively lobbying against it of course. On the other hand they were pretty amenable to the ACA.

    So basically, you’re saying that the president and congress like the power and money the insurance lobby provides more than actually passing the legislation that you feel would benefit both individuals and businesses the most, right?

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  123. Break over, TaLaLa is working beverage…

    Actually I was playing Orcs Must Die! Interestingly enough destroying waves of mindless hordes was actually not much of a diversion for some reason.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  124. – I wasn’t aware that the ACA included within it a mandate that Congress must fund the ACA.

    Technically the ACA provides for its own funding for the vast majority of the act…

    – Lord knows, nothing does a better job of leveling the playing field than only allowing one team to take that field.

    You missed the point of the argument. Someone was arguing that the regulations associated with providing employer insurance was hurting the business, then single payer is a perfect solution as it levels the field for all businesses.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  125. Sure, Icy, it’s in an emanation from a penumbra of the Constitution requiring Congress to fund all sorts of things that aren’t enumerated.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  126. Much likw Resident Evil, there isn’t much challenge in it,

    narciso (3fec35)

  127. So basically, you’re saying that the president and congress like the power and money the insurance lobby provides more than actually passing the legislation that you feel would benefit both individuals and businesses the most, right?

    Once you step out of the righty bubble you’ll discover that Obama is very center bordering on center right. So yeah, he was much more concerned with courting a powerful industry group than advancing liberal goals- because he’s not liberal and never has been. You see the same thing with Guantanamo, rendition, Dream act, and on and on.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  128. Tlaloc, given that it was Obama that said that elections had consequences, once again we see that your “point” is full of crap.

    You may be shocked to discover that I don’t agree with everything Obama says. Actually I agree with very little of it.

    That said I do agree with that particular utterance. I do not blame the right for using their house majority to their advantage. I merely point out that arguing that it represents a democratic mandate is obviously false in light of certain facts.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  129. Someone was arguing that the regulations associated with providing employer insurance was hurting the business, then single payer is a perfect solution as it levels the field for all businesses.

    That’s not exactly what I wrote. I was talking about the new federal standards required by the ACA. My company had to add administrative personnel to make sure we complied. This added cost with no benefit toward revenue growth.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  130. That’s not exactly what I wrote. I was talking about the new federal standards required by the ACA. My company had to add administrative personnel to make sure we complied. This added cost with no benefit toward revenue growth.

    That’s terribly short sighted. Much like the 8 hour week and vacation time seem like drags on the surface you quickly find that happier workers are more productive. Obviously this goes double when talking healthy workers.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  131. Comment by Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba) — 10/4/2013 @ 4:17 pm

    Just think of it as your “civic virtue” to deal with unemployment.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  132. So, to increase productivity, let’s just
    http://a.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhtaryosMh1qbakheo1.mp3

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  133. Have a nice weekend, and don’t tear down any Barrycades.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  134. “Once you step out of the righty bubble …”

    I’ve engaged you in a very civil and non-ideological way, yet you want to pidgeonhole me as an ideologue. Every time I’ve made a remark on one of your comments, I’ve stressed my concern for the growth of government with regard to bureaucracies and their inherent corruptibility. I even linked a pro-single payer website to make sure I got my facts right. Have it your way.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  135. That’s terribly short sighted. Much like the 8 hour week and vacation time seem like drags on the surface you quickly find that happier workers are more productive. Obviously this goes double when talking healthy workers.

    We already had employer provided health insurance. Due to the ACA regulations, we had to change our insurance and hire administrative personnel rather than a scientist or engineer. How’s that short-sighted?

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  136. I’ve engaged you in a very civil and non-ideological way, yet you want to pidgeonhole me as an ideologue. Every time I’ve made a remark on one of your comments, I’ve stressed my concern for the growth of government with regard to bureaucracies and their inherent corruptibility. I even linked a pro-single payer website to make sure I got my facts right. Have it your way.

    Fair enough, but your statement sounded a lot like you were saying Obama was a far lefty, that’s a view only supportable from within the bubble.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  137. We already had employer provided health insurance. Due to the ACA regulations, we had to change our insurance and hire administrative personnel rather than a scientist or engineer. How’s that short-sighted?

    It’s like the right’s jihad against public education. They view education as something that does not help them at all. What they ignore is that they are part of a society which operates much better when the individuals in it are well educated.

    Ditto when the members of society are healthy.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  138. “…but your statement sounded a lot like you were saying Obama was a far lefty, that’s a view only supportable from within the bubble.”

    I wrote, “the president and congress”.

    I work for a small pharmaceutical company, and to stay competitive we need to spend our capital on non-administrative specialized personnel. Do you know how much drug development costs are? Here’s a 2009 article from the NIH.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  139. To explain the gub’mint shutdown let’s take teh “Way back Machine” to January 2012.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/president-obama-to-shut-down-main-street-usa-in-disney-world-for-speech/

    President Obama To Shut Down ‘Main Street USA’ (In Disney World) For Speech

    This is who Barack Obama is, folks. It’s who he always was. Put him in charge of the economy and the cops will be manning the barricades with shoot to kill orders at the gates of the Magic Kingdom, Main Street USA will be closed for business, and your employee passes won’t work anymore at Space Mountain, the Wildlife Adventure, etc.

    Now, what more did anyone need to know about this character?

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  140. I work for a small pharmaceutical company, and to stay competitive we need to spend our capital on non-administrative specialized personnel. Do you know how much drug development costs are? Here’s a 2009 article from the NIH.

    I have a passing familiarity. I’m in a medical research study currently, have been since 2008. The drug in question is an oral alternative to injectable and infusion meds which are currently the standard. Those standards cost in the neighborhood of $30-40,000 a year.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  141. It’s like the right’s jihad against public education. They view education as something that does not help them at all. What they ignore is that they are part of a society which operates much better when the individuals in it are well educated.

    Ditto when the members of society are healthy.

    I was going to link how much the US spends on education and our corresponding world ranking, but all I got was this.

    I do know the US is at the top when it comes to educational spending. And I don’t remember anyone who made the argument that we shouldn’t educate our citizens. My problem, as I’ve stated ad nauseam, is that the educational bureaucracy, as with any bureaucracy, is inefficient with regard to how it spends its money and corruptible. And this dovetails quite well with what I wrote about needing specialist rather than administrators. School administrators make big bucks at the expense of teachers.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  142. But is different, then ‘Cash for Clunker’ or Solyndra, or any of the administration’s strategems;

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/04/administration-shutting-down-healthcare-gov-applications-this-weekend/

    narciso (3fec35)

  143. I have a passing familiarity. I’m in a medical research study currently, have been since 2008. The drug in question is an oral alternative to injectable and infusion meds which are currently the standard. Those standards cost in the neighborhood of $30-40,000 a year.

    Large companies like Merck and Pfizer can absorb regulatory costs easier than my company can? They can also afford lobbyist to make sure the regulatory laws favor Big Pharma. If I can find the information on a company trying to bring a mobile MRI machine to market that was stalled for years by the FDA, I’ll link it.

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  144. I have homework I need to do. Have a good weekend all!

    Huitzilincuatec (f7d5ba)

  145. I found a rather interesting data source:
    http://www.p12.nysed.gov/mgtserv/admincomp/

    this has links to excel sheets for various financial years listing all the NY state eduction administrators with salaries above a certain threshold. Frankly I think the claim that school admin people are overpaid is pretty questionable. The highest listed salary is $190k, which given we’re talking about one of the most expensive states to live in (in the top ten at least in all the rankings I looked at) that’s hardly an exorbitant sum for the top administrator.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  146. I have homework I need to do. Have a good weekend all!

    vaya con dios.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  147. If I can find the information on a company trying to bring a mobile MRI machine to market that was stalled for years by the FDA, I’ll link it.

    I’d be curious how exactly that would work because my first reaction is that it’s a terrible idea.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  148. Obama could shut down the Interstates and PRAVDA would blame the GOP.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  149. Equating public education with well-educated? Why? Still waiting for your proof the Constitution is incorrect. I won’t hold your breath though.

    Stashiu3 (e7ebd8)

  150. You guys can’t seem to grasp this- obamacare exchanges are for those who *don’t* have insurance already.

    Dimwit, I had health insurance. So did my wife. We’re both self-employed and have to get it on the open market, which is now in the toilet due to Obamacare. ALL OPEN MARKET INSURANCE PLANS HAVE BEEN CANCELED, YOU MORON. We are now uninsured SOLELY because of Obamacare.

    Sorry about the sreaming but these dimwit trolls can’t hear very well.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  151. Fair enough, but your statement sounded a lot like you were saying Obama was a far lefty, that’s a view only supportable from within the bubble.
    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 4:38 pm

    Glad I wasn’t drinking something hot.

    President Obama thinks the Constitution is flawed because it doesn’t give the government enough “positive rights”;
    he wants a national single-payer health system, which is what the ADA is intended to collapse into per the Dem supporters of the bill when you catch them candid;
    Obama was involved with the “New Party” (was that what it was called?) back in the 90’s, those for whom the Dems were too conservative;
    he gave talks and seminars at meetings honoring Alinsky.

    You can like Obama and his policies all that you want, but be honest about it.
    I heard a clip today of William Buckley from 1965. It could have been Ted Cruz.

    You ask me what does a person who is a “Tea Party” person believe? That membersof both houses of Congress should read and be able to explain a bill before they vote on it,
    and that one can’t continue to spend more and more money that one doesn’t have.

    And BTW, both of those principles are ones that Senator Obama said he believed in when he was a candidate.
    Did he forget, change his mind, or lying???

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  152. Obama’s plan, actually goes back to an address to a labor union in 2003, notwithstanding Politico’s squirrel attempt,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/obamacare-launch_n_4037136.html

    narciso (3fec35)

  153. Please do point me to the article of the constitution that says the house gets a line item veto of all acts of government in perpetuity. I missed that one.

    I hate responding to stupid trolls, but…

    Article I, Section 9, clause 7:
    “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law…”

    And the House is refusing to do that, as is their perfect right.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  154. From narciso’s link (which people should always go to):
    “There’s no way. I’ve already told him, ‘Do not answer any phone calls,'” Chad said. “He doesn’t know how to properly answer reporters’ questions.

    In other words, he hasn’t had Alinsky 101 and Obfuscation 102 from OFA.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  155. he wants a national single-payer health system

    Yes he wanted single payer that when he had majorities in both houses including 60 senators and the left was screaming for single payer that he… never even tried to pass single payer.

    In fact he not only didn’t even try to pass single payer he also didn’t even try to pass a public option.

    If he had wanted single payer any more he might have gone out of his way to pass the republican alternative to single payer from the 90s!

    Oh wait…

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  156. Well Gomer, Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

    Who is so truly shocked that Obama’s media is on his side? Who did NOT see this coming?

    How could intelligent people be so fooled by their own fantasizing to believe it would be otherwise?

    Estragon (19fa04)

  157. Oh, BS. He tried to pass a “public option” but the DEMOCRATS wouldn’t go for it. Damn obstructionists.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  158. I’ve been wanting to link this all day. http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/obama-presses-gop-s-boehner/article_96b8af8a-4f91-53c4-8e7b-0d98d10fefca.html?mode=jqm And Tlaloc is doing the same to ours.

    nk (dbc370)

  159. He may be that ignorant, or it’s just more ‘ardilla gigante’

    Campaigning for president in May 2007, he says, “But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.” That seems to imply that his goal remains the same as it was in 2003. “There’s going to be potentially some transition process — I can envision a decade out, or 15 years out, or 20 years out, where we’ve got a much more portable system.” Which of course government health insurance would be. You couldn’t get away from it. The president’s defenders depict this video and others like it as a patchwork of irrelevant and misleading statements. They also cite Obama’s oft-repeated pledges that any health care bill he would sign would let you keep the insurance you have. They don’t address the point, raised by Hacker, that you can’t keep it if your employer stops offering it.

    narciso (3fec35)

  160. Who is so truly shocked that Obama’s media is on his side? Who did NOT see this coming?

    It’s not like you guys weren’t warned by, gosh,everyone that you’d be massacred by the media. But you plowed ahead anyway, so enjoy.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  161. They also cite Obama’s oft-repeated pledges that any health care bill he would sign would let you keep the insurance you have. They don’t address the point, raised by Hacker, that you can’t keep it if your employer stops offering it.

    So your employer chooses to drop your insurance and it’s Obama’s fault? Right, of course.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  162. Hey, even if you are right about the single-payer health care, you have nothing to say about the other issues.

    Did Obama campaign that the deficit spending by Bush was a terrible thing?
    Did Obama campaign on having bills on line for 72 hours before a vote?
    So, did he change his min or was he lying all of the time???

    As well as the other points above.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  163. He should have taken Dean Vernon’s advice;

    narciso (3fec35)

  164. “So your employer chooses to drop your insurance and it’s Obama’s fault? Right, of course.”

    Wow, since we agree, who says Obama isn’t a great uniter?

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  165. Obama is telling military chaplains that they cannot perform their religious duties during the shutdown.

    Not only does Obama think he is the SunKing … he thinks he is the Pope.

    SPQR (768505)

  166. I hope President Smarmy Armslength takes more of these desperate-looking walks where he acts like the cat that swallowed the canary, cuz it shows he knows that telling park rangers to make things as uncomfortable as they can for any visitors and bullying our military veterans is not playing well in the heartland.

    Colonel Haiku (a96b2f)

  167. not by a longshot.

    Colonel Haiku (a96b2f)

  168. 157. …And the House is refusing to do that, as is their perfect right.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/4/2013 @ 5:49 pm

    As is it’s enumerated power. Sorry to be anal about this, but only individuals have rights. Governments have delegated powers. At least, if we were still adhering to the Constitution.

    167. He should have taken Dean Vernon’s advice;

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 10/4/2013 @ 6:04 pm

    Instead of taking Dean Vernon’s advice, it looks like he followed Darth Vader’s example.

    “I am Obama, I have become President, destroyer of economies. All shall look upon me and despair.”

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  169. As was pointed out today, Obama recently suffered two embarrassing loses… both at the hands of fellow Democrats: He couldn’t get his party to support Larry Summers and he couldn’t get them to agree to moving on Syria. He’s not dealing from a position of strength. This ain’t a lame-duck presidency… it’s a Weak-Suck Presidency.

    Colonel Haiku (a96b2f)

  170. Or Dean Wormer’s…

    Colonel Haiku (a96b2f)

  171. Steve57:

    He has minions, too. He’s a veritable Gru. One will be along soon.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  172. “So your employer chooses to drop your insurance and it’s Obama’s fault? Right, of course.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 5:59 pm

    Yes, it is. Because the Democrats designed the whole failure, and its the bad incentives of Obamacare and the rest of its incompetently drafted scheme that is causing employers to drop insurance and to move to part time employee structures where they can.

    Its why approx 2/3rds of new jobs in the US this year are part time.

    Its directly Obama’s fault.

    SPQR (768505)

  173. I’m not sure I understand your assertion.

    This is the closest falalala has come to an honest statement.

    JD (507a70)

  174. Did Obama campaign that the deficit spending by Bush was a terrible thing?
    Did Obama campaign on having bills on line for 72 hours before a vote?
    So, did he change his min or was he lying all of the time???

    if your point is that Obama misrepresented himself on the campaign trail then I don’t disagree. On the other hand if we were to condemn every politician for breaking their word we’d be condemning all of them wouldn’t we?

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  175. Time for the Billy Madison, JD,?

    narciso (3fec35)

  176. Its why approx 2/3rds of new jobs in the US this year are part time.

    Its directly Obama’s fault.

    Except as we have already established the only reason businesses are reducing hours is because they want to. They don’t need to, they have gobs of money. They shouldn’t, it’s counter productive economically. It’s entirely on them, not Obama that they refuse to keep people full time.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  177. I’m not sure I understand your assertion.

    This is the closest falalala has come to an honest statement.

    Oh, JD, the sad thing is you even screwed up taking a swipe at me: I never said that.

    Tlaloc (d061fc)

  178. See, it didn’t take long. Minions are prompt.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  179. Flailoc, let’s reverse order. Why do you think it’s necessary that Obama has to shut down the gub’mint unless he can build a federal database that has all the details about your sex life or addictions or whatever.

    Everybody has to tell their doctor something, eventually, that they don’t want the entire world to know.

    Is it really worth it to shut down the gub’mint to build that database?

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  180. Except as we have already established the only reason businesses are reducing hours is because they want to.

    This has not been established outside of your leftist collectivist world.

    You never said what I quoted?

    JD (507a70)

  181. Comment #95 @ 2:24 PM

    JD (507a70)

  182. Obama is center-right is the comment of the day.

    JD (507a70)

  183. Well I hadn’t had a good laugh in a while;

    narciso (3fec35)

  184. It depends on how Mayor Daley positions himself.

    nk (dbc370)

  185. 185. …Except as we have already established the only reason businesses are reducing hours is because they want to.

    This has not been established outside of your leftist collectivist world.

    You never said what I quoted?

    Comment by JD (507a70) — 10/4/2013 @ 6:58 pm

    I give you the modern progressive, JD. Anybody who doesn’t follow their dictates and paying their fines is “volunteering.”

    Which must of course be accompanied by additional fines and dictates until they cut that s*** out.

    Whoops! ‘Scuse teh f*** out of me. I just let one of those “tells” loose.

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  186. Obama is center-right is the comment of the day.
    Comment by JD (507a70) — 10/4/2013 @ 7:01 pm

    Well, it’s true, if you’re talking about the old Politburo.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  187. if we were to condemn every politician for breaking their word we’d be condemning all of them wouldn’t we?
    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 6:21 pm

    Actually, we wouldn’t be condemning ted Cruz, because as near as I can tell he is doing what he said he would do.

    And you still haven’t made an (adequate) argument rebutting my other reasons why Obama should not be considered of the Left

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  188. A Devil Doc expresses an opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O2MTZ3VpyrY

    Devil Doc form 3/3 signals in a Helo in Afganistan by shuffling

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  189. Once you step out of the righty bubble you’ll discover that Obama is very center bordering on center right. — Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc)

    Only an ultra-liberal would think that Obama in general — in background, history, preferences, attitude, tone and demeanor — isn’t of the left. In some ways, one would have to be an ultra-ultra-liberal to think that Obama isn’t a liberal.

    His nurturing an atmosphere in which the WWII memorial in DC has been ridiculously, absurdly, petulantly shut down is merely a manifestation of his embracing the “goddamn America!” attitudes of Jeremiah Wright, et al. Such stunts are pretty much the domain of people who exhibit the shamelessness, vindictiveness and immaturity of leftists, or ultra-liberals.

    Mark (58ea35)

  190. You missed the point of the argument. Someone was arguing that the regulations associated with providing employer insurance was hurting the business, then single payer is a perfect solution as it levels the field for all businesses.
    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 4:10 pm

    — The ‘perfect solution’ is to allow businesses to offer insurance as part of their compensation package, in a manner that affords them to compete for employees within their chosen field. You know, like the way things were before this DOA legislation was passed.

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  191. “Except as we have already established the only reason businesses are reducing hours is because they want to. They don’t need to, they have gobs of money. They shouldn’t, it’s counter productive economically. It’s entirely on them, not Obama that they refuse to keep people full time.

    Comment by Tlaloc (d061fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 6:26 pm “

    You established no such thing. All you established is that you are as utterly ignorant of economics as every other topic you pronounce upon.

    Regardless, its an observed fact reported in the basic labor data. Data that Obama lies about rather brazenly.

    SPQR (768505)

  192. “On the other hand if we were to condemn every politician for breaking their word we’d be condemning all of them wouldn’t we?”

    Tlaloc confuses campaign promises (of which Obama has broken every single one without exception) with political deal promises. A politician whose word is no good can’t make deals. Bill Clinton for instance, a very dishonest person, is known for keeping his word on deals. Among the reasons that Hillary is less respected in political circles and more disliked is that she’s less reliable.

    Obama has built up a reputation of complete unreliability. His word is worthless.

    SPQR (768505)

  193. I only wish Obama were a liberal, Mark. He is an oligo-klepto-social engineer socialist — not Brezhnev communist only because he cannot swing it. (Well, he doesn’t have much to swing in any area but that’s a different story.)

    nk (dbc370)

  194. Dang, I meant to say iBambi not Obama.

    nk (dbc370)

  195. I love when a lefty says that some other lefty is either “centrist” or “center-right.” I would love to see what their spectrum looks like:

    Far, far right — Mitt Romney, George W. Bush
    Far right — Joe Lieberman, Joe Manchin
    Solid right — Mary Landrieu, Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown (2013 incarnation)
    Center right — Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Jerry Brown (1979 incarnation)
    Centrist — Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Howard Dean, Jerry Brown (1975 incarnation)
    Center left — Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Katrina vanden Heuvel, Jerry Brown (2004 incarnation)
    Far left — Vladimir Lenin, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Jerry Brown (1992 incarnation)
    Far, far left — Kim Il-sung

    JVW (93c84b)

  196. Tlalocisms:
    Once you step out of the righty bubble you’ll discover that Obama is very center bordering on center right.
    — Step away from the bong and you’ll be all right.

    It’s like the right’s jihad against public education. They view education as something that does not help them at all. What they ignore is that they are part of a society which operates much better when the individuals in it are well educated.
    — You just love to use that inflammatory language, don’t you. And surprise surprise! You follow it with an ad hom. The right does NOT view education as being something that does not help. The problem is that many people are NOT being well-educated, particularly in public schools.

    So your employer chooses to drop your insurance and it’s Obama’s fault? Right, of course.
    — Gee, it’s almost like government intervention in the marketplace had an adverse effect on . . . wait for it . . . the marketplace.

    Except as we have already established the only reason businesses are reducing hours is because they want to. They don’t need to, they have gobs of money. They shouldn’t, it’s counter productive economically. It’s entirely on them, not Obama that they refuse to keep people full time.
    — How do you possibly have time to attend classes when you’re also compiling this encyclopedic knowledge of the P&L statements from every company in this country that employs 50 or more full-time workers?

    Icy (c5d6fc)

  197. JVW, 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  198. – Step away from the bong and you’ll be all right.
    Comment by Icy (c5d6fc) — 10/4/2013 @ 8:28 pm

    Hah!!

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  199. As is it’s enumerated power. Sorry to be anal about this…

    Well, it is the Congress’s power, but it is the individual Congressperson’s right. Since I used “their” and not “its” it is likely I was referring to the individuals that make up Congress.

    But I suppose that’s anal, too.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  200. Obama is center-right is the comment of the day.

    Obama wouldn’t be “center-right” in San Francisco. Or Sacramento. Maybe in Cuba.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  201. I only wish Obama were a liberal, Mark.

    nk, I tend to think of President Barry as being an ultra-liberal. The fact he has long socialized with and apparently received emotional sustenance from leftwing extremists throughout his life is pretty much a case of “birds of a feather flock together.”

    Far, far right — Mitt Romney, George W. Bush

    A humorous rundown, to be sure. BTW, even though there are facets of both Bush and Romney that lean left, I’d still label them as being generally of the right. If not, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone categorized me as being an ultra-conservative. However, “center-right” may be a fairly accurate characterization of folks like Bush and Romney.

    Mark (58ea35)

  202. 205. As is it’s enumerated power. Sorry to be anal about this…

    Well, it is the Congress’s power, but it is the individual Congressperson’s right. Since I used “their” and not “its” it is likely I was referring to the individuals that make up Congress.

    But I suppose that’s anal, too.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/4/2013 @ 9:18 pm

    Maybe it’ll make a difference if I explain my purpose. I wasn’t trying to be the grammar police. But I do believe that it’s important to point out what belongs to what entity mentioned by the Constitution.

    http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/09/20/textbook-skews-second-amendment-teaches-students-only-militias-have-right-to-bear-arms/comment-page-1/

    The United States History: Preparing for the Advanced Placement Examination book defines the Second Amendment this way, “The people have the right to keep and bear arms in a state militia.” If it had quoted the Constitution directly, the text should have read, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

    The textbook is also being used in Washington, South Carolina and Georgia public high schools, and likely in other states, as well.

    Millions of teenagers studying for AP tests, who soon will be old enough to vote, are being taught that as individuals, Americans do not have the right to own a gun to protect themselves – not unless they join a militia group. The mischaracterization of the Second Amendment in the textbook has understandably spurred quite a controversy.

    Individuals have rights that are created by God.

    Governments have powers that they only have because the individuals who consented to their governance delegated to them.

    Despite the Heller decision, these gutter maggots are still trying to insist that the “right” mentioned in the second amendment belongs to a government force.

    Which as an aside makes their assertion that conservatives should just give up because Obamacare has been the law of the land since 2010 and has been given the stamp of approval by the SCOTUS even more insane. Because the same people are writing textbooks and insisting that an individual right that’s been the law of the land since before 1787 and been given the stamp of approval by the SCOTUS doesn’t exist.

    Anyway, hence my anal insistence on drawing a line between what belongs to the people because they’re born with it, and what belongs to the government because those people allow it.

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  203. The good old LAT also has a glowing story today about how three (or more?) people can now be listed as the legal parents of a child.

    The destruction of tradition continues apace.

    Patricia (be0117)

  204. How much you wanna bet the three or more legal parents of the child can all be here illegally?

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  205. Meh. Much ado about nothing. It does take some discretion out of family court judges and that’s a good thing. It provides potentially one more pocket for child support and that’s an even better thing. It eases the pain of a teen mother giving her child up for adoption to still be able to be part of the child’s life and that’s an even more better thing (I know a situation like that). There are already three-parent and four-parent children through surrogacy and adoption, and you try figuring out how many when a man and a woman have divorced and then remarried two or three times divorced people who had themselves divorced and remarried two or three times (I know one family like that too). There have been lawsuits by grandparents for visitation. Kids should just be happy that somebody bothered to bring them into being and can be further bothered to parent them, and parents who let courts and legislatures make parenting laws applicable to them deserve everything they get.

    nk (dbc370)

  206. It eases the pain of a teen mother giving her child up for adoption to still be able to be part of the child’s life…

    What about what’s best for the kid? All the adults who are making cameo appearances in the child’s life get to feel better about themselves. What does the child get out of it?

    Steve57 (234b9e)

  207. “Enraging Media Bias: L.A. Times Blames GOP for Layoffs That the GOP Is Trying to End, But Can’t Because of Harry Reid and Barack Obama”

    People ain’t really buying this line though.

    alan (b56d8e)

  208. Hello, iamadimwit

    JD (98e661)

  209. 198. And the antiChrist.

    Howard J.: “Except as we have already established”

    He’s got a dickwad in his pocket?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  210. Reported that of the applications that Obamacare exchanges forward to insurance companies, only one out of one hundred applications are complete enough in data to be processed.

    99% failure rate of the Obamcare exchange software to fully validate data and forward it to the selected insurance company.

    That’s Obama in a nutshell, 99% failure.

    SPQR (19047b)

  211. “People ain’t really buying this line though.”

    Nope, they ain’t.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  212. Obama is all about the 1%, SPQR.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  213. DRJ, it does seem like their success is the only real goal Obama has.

    SPQR (19047b)


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