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Is Obama Collecting Data on Gun Owners?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:31 am

Free Beacon:

Senators are questioning whether the National Security Agency collected bulk data on more than just Americans’ phone records, such as firearm and book purchases.

A bipartisan group of 26 senators, led by Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to detail the scope and limits of the National Security Agency’s surveillance activities in a letter released Friday.

“We are concerned that by depending on secret interpretations of the PATRIOT Act that differed from an intuitive reading of the statute, this program essentially relied for years on a secret body of law,” the senators wrote in the letter.

The NSA’s surveillance program has come under intense scrutiny following a leak revealing the agency harvested the phone metadata of millions of American citizens.

The senators noted that the federal government’s authority under Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act is broad and rife with potential for abuse. Among the senators’ concerns was whether the NSA’s bulk data harvesting program could be used to construct a gun registry or violate other privacy laws.

Wyden, as we know, has this way of asking questions that he already knows the answers to.

Maybe a back-door national gun registry will be one of the revelations we’ll hear from Edward Snowden. If he isn’t too busy appeasing the various anti-free-speech thugs whose help he needs to escape from us, that is.

I have given myself permission to be disgusted by both Snowden and the U.S. Government these days. There may not be that many good guys, but there are plenty of bad guys to go around.

159 Responses to “Is Obama Collecting Data on Gun Owners?”

  1. Yes, the center is cannot hold these days, can it?

    I would say, I hold out some hope with the rise of the tea party, the Turkish secular class, now the Egyptian merchant class. Surely, this means that the ordinary folk are mad as hell and are not going to take it any longer. Anywhere.

    This is what the Acorn lady meant in the sting tape when she said she didn’t want people getting too educated. Harder to keep down.

    Patricia (be0117)

  2. I like that the title of this post is quite accusatory even though there is absolutely no evidence save skepticism.

    You have the potential to be an extremely well read blog if you used your time on some of your move constructive posts.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  3. Ian is cute. Bless your little heart, Ian.

    JD (b63a52)

  4. You should listen to self-anointed leftwing arbiters of what is/is not of worth, Patterico.

    Or not.

    Colonel Haiku (d76a2f)

  5. Ian- do you review movies and restaurants, too?

    elissa (b60602)

  6. yeah if you bought a gun with a credit card you’re in a piggy piggy nsa spywhore database

    it’s regime policy

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  7. the incompetent, buck-passing, narcissistic 0bama is aching to go all Bulworth and to complete his fundamental transformation of America. To that end, he will do his best to wrest guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens, while enabling and doing his best to pacify the criminal class.

    Colonel Haiku (d76a2f)

  8. ‘Is the Pope Argentinian’?

    narciso (3fec35)

  9. can you even imagine how much dirt the piggy piggy nsa gestapo has on food stamp Mr. Colonel?

    there’s absolutely no reason to think that food stamp makes any actual decisions at all… it’s all by the piggy piggy spywhore’s leave I bet

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  10. *spywhores’* leave I mean

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  11. 7. What bother’s many of us is that there is no impediment presented by any of these Quislings we elect to oppose the Succubus.

    You’d think some would actually throw themselves in front of his limo rather than clean the headlights.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  12. 6-Use cash.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  13. that will help Mr. G but they’re probably storing background check data and god knows what else

    the piggy piggy spywhores have extreme entitlement issues I think

    they’re sick and anti-american

    and I don’t know how to help them get better

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  14. Don’t you know gun owners are terrorists? DHS says so.

    nk (875f57)

  15. Conservatives loved The Patriot Act when a (R) was in office.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  16. Is Obama Collecting Data on Gun Owners?

    Well, we won’t know for sure till Eric Holder is subpoenaed to comes before a congressional investigating committee, raises his right hand and swears to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and then lies like a low-down belly crawlin’ yellow dog.

    Till then, it’s wise to conduct your affairs as if your name is on a little list and the forces of darkness are checkin’ it twice to make sure their files are up to date, don’t ya know.

    ropelight (03b57e)

  17. that was before we knew how thoroughly corrupted our burgeoningly fascist government has become Mr. G

    we were naive

    we’re sadder and wiser now I guess

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  18. ‘Secret interpretations of law’ sure doesn’t sound like they are following the law in good faith. How come its apparently routine that those tasked with protecting us are basically criminals? From Fast and Furious to IRS attacking conservatism, there’s a profound corruption throughout this administration.

    So far, what punishment has there been for those committing these crimes? If the motivation is political domination, the bad guys need the citizens to learn of the crimes and see the bad guys escape any real consequences. Isn’t this what has happened repeatedly?

    Dustin (303dca)

  19. Ian G. – The Patriot Act has nothing to do with this post.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. 17.that was before we knew how thoroughly corrupted our burgeoningly fascist government has become a democrat was president Mr. G


    Ian G. (b2d693)

  21. Ian is a clumsy sophist and a loyal sycophant for Teh One.

    How many names have you used here, Ian G?

    JD (b63a52)

  22. Ian G. – Missouri already illegally transferred gun ownership information on its citizens to the feds. Other states which require gun registration have gun ownership databases. When gun purchases are made and background checks are required, they are processed through the NICS system. The NSA does not need the Patriot Act to compile a gun ownership database. It just needs other governmental entities to send it information previously collected.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  23. Ian G – Under Obamacare, President Asterisk wants doctors to narc on their patients who own guns.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  24. As a philosophical exercise, I submit the following question. Are you more opposed to the (alleged) collection of this data based on privacy issues or that it adds another layer to our federal government?

    I would have to answer the latter.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  25. 23-Source?

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  26. no Mr. G I don’t think Romneycare Romney or Meghan’s coward daddy would have done much to steer America appreciably away from it’s rendezvous with fascism

    this little country simply doesn’t value freedom like it used to, and it’s something you can see at all levels of government and it’s not really a D or R thing

    it just looks more like a D thing cause they control so much more media I think

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  27. *its* rendezvous I mean

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  28. correction to 22 – Missouri illegally sent health info to the feds.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. 23-Source?

    Public Information. FYNQ.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  30. I think it’s good that Wyden is continuing to probe, but my point is that Obama does not need the shield of the Patriot Act to achieve the ends described.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  31. It is public information that Obama has announced he wishes doctors to ask their patients about gun ownership so that they can alert the federal government?

    Do you always wear cooking pots on your head? Even on major holidays?

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  32. The NSA is piggybacking on the accumulation of info by email providers, cell phone providers and other private enterprise. Is this appropriate?

    What is really wrong is that the government does get legitimate tips but fails to act, to wit Boston bombers.

    Next issue is the info collected in Obamacare and how the politicians will use it against their political enemies.

    The IRS scandal is the MO for the Obama scandal.

    AZ Bob (c11d35)

  33. Or are you saying that doctors of seriously mentally ill patients should not concern themselves with the dangers of incredibly unstable people who own guns?

    Spit in their faces [object TextRange]?

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  34. I think doctors should lobby to make food purchases by prescription only since they classified obesity as a disease if they want to be consistent.

    nk (875f57)

  35. Conservatives loved The Patriot Act when a (R) was in office.

    Comment by Ian G. (b2d693) — 6/29/2013 @ 10:18 am

    How would you know what conservatives love?

    Personally, I never liked the Patriot Act even when a POS like Obama was not in office.

    nk (875f57)

  36. Ian G. No need to get snippy. How many guns do you own, cupcake?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. FOAD Ian.

    peedoffamerican (c1890a)

  38. It is public information that Obama has announced he wishes doctors to ask their patients about gun ownership so that they can alert the federal government?

    Yes, you idiot:

    On 16 January 2013, President Obama announced a list of 23 executive actions intended to address the issue of gun violence in the U.S., one of which was to “clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes”


    Rob Crawford (49918b)

  39. It is important (subtle, but important) to note that NSA does not HAVE a mass data collection program on citizens. FBI does, and it has apparently requested NSA assistance/resources in that effort. (FBI, for example, requested the FISA order to turn over Verizon phone records to NSA who probably owns the analysis system that is used on that data)

    For example, say NSA is investigating a cyber spy ring and has identified one or more people involved but is trying to determine if they are dealing with a “ring” and what the scope of it might be. One way to determine that before you issue any wiretaps is to see who these people are talking to and who the people they are talking to are talking to.

    Say we get evidence that information on our nuclear weapons has turned up in a foreign country. Maybe we want to check to see if any employees with access to that information had any contacts with people in that country or if anyone they are in regular contact with did. If so, who is THAT person ALSO in contact with?

    I have much less of a problem with NSA having this data than I do with the notion that the DHS or DoJ might have access to it. Those organizations impress me as being very political. People get appointments at Justice and DHS based on political and sometimes family connections. Based on what we have seen with activist Democrat partisans, it would not surprise me to see someone run queries against their political opposition and plug the results into a DNC oppo database in Chicago.

    NSA isn’t as infested with partisans as other agencies that might have access to that information.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  40. Our pediatrician asked us that eleven years ago, Rob. It’s been American Academy of Pediatrics policy for longer than that. We like him and we said “No” instead of something else.

    nk (875f57)

  41. Daley:

    Perhaps you would be satisfied with legislation requiring all mental institutions without no-wait gun sales in its gift shops to close within the next year?

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  42. And it appears that the CNN link isn’t loading now. Here’s the same story from a different source:

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  43. Ian G. – How many guns do you own, sport?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  44. The notion that NSA would be collecting gun data is absolutely ludicrous. It is actually quite laughable. Now, DHS or FBI might be collecting such data, but not NSA. NSA is interested in electronic communications, cracking codes and ciphers, and collecting intelligence by electronic means to protect the US (they are under DoD). The MIGHT have an interest in who a particular citizen might be talking to if they are talking to someone outside the US, but the notion that information on guns would be of any use to them at all speaks to a profound ignorance of what NSA does and the division of responsibility between various agencies of government.

    I don’t for a moment doubt DHS would collect such data and we already have evidence they might have been from Missouri which turned a lot of data over to the federal government. Will bet you a cheeseburger and a coke it wasn’t NSA they turned the data over to, though.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  45. If my state (Missouri) is any indication, and you live in a concealed carry state with a Democrat governor, there’s a very good chance that your state has already supplied a list of legal concealed carry permit holders to the federal government. And if your state is like mine, it was unlawful for them to have supplied the lists.

    No need for a super secret spy operation.

    Scott (0f6b2d)

  46. Well, doesn’t sound like a crack-pot website specifically designed to appeal to crack pots.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  47. 44-I don’t answer questions phrased with condescension. Phrase it a different way and perhaps you’ll receive an answer.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  48. There’s a good reason for Congress to question the Administration about this. In January 2013, the Obama-Holder DOJ released a paper that concluded a national gun registry is the way to prevent gun violence from mental health offenders, domestic violence, and multiple gun purchases. See pages 6-7 of the link.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  49. Among the senators’ concerns was whether the NSA’s bulk data harvesting program could be used to construct a gun registry

    This right here absolutely illustrates the idiocy going on here.

    Basically what it is saying “I dreamed up this scenario that you COULD be collecting gun data, prove that isn’t true”.

    Once you go down that road, you end up having to “prove” practically anything people think up isn’t true.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  50. I hope the giraffe eared prezzy cancels his plans to confiscate all bibles.

    mg (31009b)

  51. Wait, did I say the DOJ released the memo? My mistake. It was an internal memo by an Obama researcher that was not released because it inconveniently admitted an assault weapons ban won’t help.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  52. Here’s a summary of the memo.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  53. Ian G. – Condescension? I am truly sorry to hurt your tender feelings. It seems I remember you suggesting I refrain from commenting on another thread because you believed I had not read the other comments. I remember you also saying I knew nothing about you and responding your comments revealed plenty about you. The same is true on this thread. Does your pots and pan comment represent condescension? Why, yes, yes, I think it does.

    Ian G., do you feel like you are a victim of mean commenters here at this website, that your are not receiving fair treatment for the sophistry and passive aggressive comments you are making?

    I’m asking for a friend.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  54. Yes.

    There was a time you could legally purchase a new handgun (or other kinds of firearms and explosives) from a hardware store (not an FFL) for cash and it didn’t even have a serial number (wasn’t required, at least in some states, there was no federal requirement.)

    Long, long ago. Wait, I remember that time, it can’t be that long ago.

    The question to ask is, “Will they wait for the floods for the house to house searches and seizures?”, or will they just declare an emergency and go for it?

    Not going to ask what anyone will do. Don’t want to think about that. No, I don’t. Nightmare time.

    htom (412a17)

  55. 54-The pot question was a serious one.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  56. DRJ – Well, now our anti-science president has shifted to another cause nobody cares about and is embarrassing himself in public, making protecting the future from climate change global warming a litmus test for voting for politicians.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  57. 56. So were mine about the guns, honey.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  58. I’ll answer it when you ask it nicely. 🙂

    After all, you’ve not answered my pots question, sweet pea.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  59. Ian G. The illegal release of that list was widely reported. Your snark is only showing your ignorance.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  60. The top hits on bing were all conservative manifesto wordpress sites. Widely reported? Widely reported by similarly minded crack pots.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  61. “Ian”s ongoing asshattery continues apace.

    JD (b63a52)

  62. JEFH and his minions can collect all the data they want on gun owners, but they don’t have anywhere near enough stooges like Ian to come out and try to take them.

    the supply of willing serfs will run out long before they can seize more than a pittance of lawfully owned weapons, and they’ve already shown they don’t care about the ones owned by criminals.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  63. Ian G. – Can you double my money on a used car?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  64. There may not be that many good guys, but there are plenty of bad guys to go around.

    In an Nidal-Hasan-ized, corrupt-IRS-ized America, I think that’s going from obvious to blatant.

    I used to think that one had to wear a tin-foil hat in order to feel as increasingly suspicious and cynical as I’m becoming and have become. But the proverbial “slippery slope” and the famous phrase of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” now make me realize that George Orwell had a grasp of human nature — and corresponding socio-political trends — far greater than even I gave him credit for., June 27: A secretive data collection program run by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau allows private contractors access to millions of Americans’ personal financial information, according to a government accountability group.

    The information may also be shared with other federal agencies.

    Documents obtained by Washington-based Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act illustrate the cost and scope of the program, which business groups and some Republican lawmakers have assailed as invasive and potentially illegal.

    Multiple credit reporting agencies and accounting firms signed contracts with the bureau in 2012 to gather, store and analyze mountains of data on Americans’ credit card transactions. One company, Argus Information and Advisory Services, was paid $2.9 million last year to perform such tasks, with a total payout of $15 million scheduled for 2017.

    “When you’re trying to snoop into the files of millions, it’s expensive,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, in an interview with TheDC News Foundation.

    Another document states that contractors “may be required by the CFPB to share credit card data collected from the Banks with additional government entities,” raising the prospect that personal financial information may be sent to one or more unspecified federal agencies.

    Fitton…believes the program is not only wasteful but a threat to financial security. “This data can only be managed by hiring scores of contractors and outside government entities to analyze it,” he said. “When you widen the circle, you lessen security. It would not surprise me if in a year or two we hear about some contractor running off with this data.”

    “The NSA stuff is almost a sideshow compared to the financial information that the government’s compiling,” he concluded.

    Mark (67e579)

  65. JD you have approximately six phrases that you use over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. You’re boring. Can’t you get a thesaurus and find some alternate words for sophistry or sycophant?

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  66. JD has you pegged, Ian G. Why should he struggle to find less accurate words for what you are, when he clearly has the correct terms already?

    You always seem so petty and bitter that you are easily identified no matter how many personas you develop. Please seek psychological help.

    Dustin (7201f3)

  67. Well, “Ian” should you quit acting in such a manner over and over and and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, I might use different descriptions of your mendoucheity. As is, sycophant, sophist, and serial troll work just fine. Why bother with a less accurate description?

    JD (b63a52)

  68. Words matter, President Asterisk said so himself in a speech he ripped off from somebody else.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. 68-I’m also quite sure that you relish the opportunity to insult people who do not share your views. Daleyrocks too. You don’t have much to say unless there is someone to insult.

    What? You don’t think that Obama tweeted out his undying support for mob rule and legislation by violence?! You’re a (wait, let me look up the word in the dictionary) a, a, sycophant!

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  70. You might be quite sure of that, “Ian” but you would be wrong. I am sure you have be one accustomed to that.

    JD (b63a52)

  71. i don’t know why Ian thinks (to use a term loosely) he’s being insulted…

    telling the truth is not an insult.

    besides, reading his drivel is an insult to my intelligence, so, even if someone was insulting him, turn about is fair play, so he still has no valid grounds to complain.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  72. Lovely piece of paranoia.

    daniel (6e9bc1)

  73. 72-I’m not complaining.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  74. Not complaining, just butthurt whining.

    JD (b63a52)

  75. You are a liar, Ian G. It was reported originally by local newspapers in St Louis and Kansas City and repeated by AP.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  76. It is an incredible coincidence that we just recently got the newest versions from the serial trolls, “Ian” and “Daniel”.

    JD (b63a52)

  77. Explain how my statement was a lie, spqr. I said that I typed it in on bing and that the top hits were wordpress sites. Type in the phrase “Missouri government private data release” and see what pops up.

    I accept your apology for calling me a liar.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  78. SPQR – that which is contrary to Teh Narrative is simply ignored. If acknowledged, it is denied.

    JD (b63a52)

  79. Why would he apologize to you?

    JD (b63a52)

  80. 80- I accept your apology for calling me a liar.

    Keep up sweetie.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  81. Ian G, I don’t apologize to liars.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  82. 82-Bing it!

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  83. Lovely piece of paranoia.

    Too bad you weren’t correct., June 27: The Internal Revenue Service did flag tax-exempt applications from liberal groups for extra attention, but they did not receive the same scrutiny as did those from Tea Party groups, according to the inspector general who investigated the IRS targeting.

    The word “progressive” was included on a “be on the look out” list, or BOLO list, used by IRS agents in the agency’s Cincinnati field office, Russell George said in a June 26 letter to Rep. Sander Levin of Michigan, the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee. Those lists were used to determine which groups’ application should be studied more carefully.

    Unlike the way Tea Party applications were handled, George wrote, there were no “instructions on how to refer cases that met” the progressive criteria. “We found no indication … that ‘progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention.” The IRS was trying to determine whether the groups did too much political activity to qualify for the non-profit status reserved for predominantly “social welfare” groups.

    “In total, 30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words ‘progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were processed as potential political cases,” George wrote. “In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases” during the audit’s time frame.

    Mark (67e579)

  84. Keep up sweetie.

    A display of a bit of Alec-Baldwin type of liberalism.

    Mark (67e579)

  85. I will not apologize to you, nor will, SPQR. We know your act. Why the faux OUTRAGE over being called a liar? Your passive aggressive BS is at a very base level dishonest, in every identity you have chosen to use here.

    JD (b63a52)

  86. It is quite clear what the trolls do not want to discuss

    JD (b63a52)

  87. 86-I didn’t ask you to apologize. Read carefully JD!

    As evidence that you are completely unwilling to discuss anything of substance, I posed a legitimate philosophical question earlier which was ignored in favor of insulting me. Why you would claim that you won’t apologize to me when I never asked you to is further evidence that you are simply here to argue, insult, and insert yourself into conversations that (you think) require you to be a jerk. You live for this. Commenting just isn’t interesting to you if you can’t act like a hoss.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  88. someone is confusing “top hits” with “only results”…

    of course, if you run a more honest search string “Peter Kinder gun lawsuit”, the very first return is an official government web site with a press release from his office

    now put that in your troll pipe and suck it. 8)

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  89. 89-Fair enough, but I wasn’t lying 🙂

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  90. and we know Failifornia has a registry, as the numerous announcements from Sacramento about their attempts to disarm citizens who they claim can no longer own firearms have shown…

    but don’t take my word for it: Bing it!


    redc1c4 (403dff)

  91. Claiming a truthful report is “crackpot” is not a substantive comment. Its the lie of a troll.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  92. Fair enough, but I wasn’t lying

    can we settle on “intellectually dishonest” or maybe “deliberately misleading” in lieu of the word “lying”?

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  93. I always kind of feel bad for the “law and order” type people b/c when great evil infects the entire system they struggle dealing with the reality of needing wholesale change by any means needed.

    Our Government is profoundly corrupt, including our Law Enforcement Leadership. Period.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ae12ec)

  94. Your lack of clarity is not my responsibility.

    I note you continue to avoid answering as to the multiple other names you have used here.

    Why do you consider the truth to be an insult? We make observations based on your actions. Your first comment here lied, there is evidence, you choose to be willfully ignorant. Your second comment in this thread acknowledges that if you use a credit card, the govt may track it, as you suggested to use cash to avoid it. You have since been running around wih the goalposts doing silly searches to intentionally ignore the a available evidence that you denied existed. It is classic passive aggressive squirrel trolling, something you have down to an art form.

    The whiny butthurt is just precious.

    JD (b63a52)

  95. Shorter Ian G, “I’m too stupid to be lying”.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  96. Just so we’re clear, I have nothing to do with him.

    ian cormac (3fec35)

  97. We know. 😉

    JD (b63a52)

  98. It would be both interesting and informative to be able to use some widget in this blog’s software to search for the 6-character-in-parentheses value and see what all user names are associated with it … and the reverse – search user name to find the 6-character-in-parentheses values associated with that …

    I don’t know how easy or hard that would be to program …

    I suspect this current aspect-known-as-Ian would not be a happy camper if we could trivially see which failed troll IDs had been his (or hers) in prior aspects …

    Alastor (2e7f9f)

  99. It still spells ‘squirrel’ in any dialect

    narciso (3fec35)

  100. Ian G.,

    I’m curious, do you live on the east or west coast?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  101. I’m standing among 6,000+ at Magpul’s magazine event in Glendale Colorado.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  102. Racist gun-luver

    JD (b63a52)

  103. “disgusted”

    The blogger’s talent for understatement. It keeps the easily offended in the game.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  104. JD, Dana Loesch speaking.

    SPQR (3dad66)

  105. I hate you. LOL

    JD (b63a52)

  106. Are Obama and Holder against the private ownership of firearms? YES. The rest is pretty fuxing easy. They are criminals, and they collect DATA.

    Gus (694db4)

  107. Don’t ask Crapper for this info, he hasn’t the faintest idea what anyone in his Chain-of-Command is doing, or is supposed to be doing, until he gets the memo from Axelfraud.
    Even then, he has to ask for confirmation from Slow-Joe.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  108. SPQR, did you get a free “clip”?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  109. askeptic, well I got a free 30 rd magazine marked “Free Colorado”. Plus a bunch more of Magpul’s AR magazines at a very nice discount.

    JD, I know you hate me. Dana Loesch really got herself worked up. Saw my buddy Stephen Green but didn’t get a chance to talk to him. Saw a bunch of other old Rocky Mountain Blogger Bash buddies as well. Beers were consumed post Magpul event.

    SPQR (768505)

  110. The American people have erected the instruments of tyranny and now they will be governed by them.

    ErisGuy (76f8a7)

  111. The rest of us can’t help the jetsam on the conservative margin from wanting to believe that this government is salvageable.

    But here’s another example of them lying resolutely about the info we must be trusted with:

    You think some arm can be trusted? Prove it.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  112. More questions than answers:

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  113. I’ve occasionally thought about starting a blog with a comment policy stating “Trolls are hereby given formal notice that pushing the Post button gives the blog owner permission to track down your meatspace location and post it.”

    I suspect that the Ian G. types would become scarce….

    SDN (04784a)

  114. Gun data collection by the NSA….
    It doesn’t matter if you use cash.
    If you buy a gun from an FFL, anywhere in the country, a NICS background check must be conducted.
    NICS is processed over the internet.
    NSA is mining the internet!

    Also, on MO…..
    They sent their complete lists of CCW’s to DHS.

    (BTW, I’m an FFL)

    askeptic (2bb434)

  115. Under what names have Ian and Crosspatch been previously banned?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  116. Askeptic – “Ian” magically showed up under brand new unique IP, but is clearly one of the serial trolls.

    JD (8f669d)

  117. 102-Neither. I live in the Midwest.

    SDN-I’m not sure that scaring those who don’t believe in your politics into hiding is a trait that I admire.

    Ian G. (b2d693)

  118. Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 6/29/2013 @ 2:41 pm

    It is within the Police Powers of the Several States to maintain such registries, if they wish.
    On 1 Jan 14, CA’s registry will be extended to long-guns purchased from FFL’s, and also through Private Party transactions – which must, by CA law, be conducted through FFL’s.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  119. SPQR….Congrats on scoring one of the freebies.
    That most assuredly will become a collector’s item.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  120. It’s also lawful for insurance companies and the like to maintain gun registries. I know my home insurance has all the serials to my guns.

    We’ve seen how the Obama administration uses private companies to be its collector for data it can’t collect. ‘Spirit of the law’ doesn’t mean a lot these days. Given that the administration also abuses its political critics, for example with the IRS, I have to keep that in mind when I share information with any entity. I certainly think people should change their habits for storing information on the cloud. Goodbye dropbox and google docs, and hello old usb stick (they are ridiculously cheap anyway, but you have to back them up).

    Not too surprising. Democrats killed off most American industries aside from software and service. The spying and Obamacare should take care of those. At least they are thorough.

    Dustin (8b7882)

  121. Meanwhile, the Obama Administration continues its war on religion.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  122. Well, not ALL religions – only those that are composed of Infidels.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  123. The DOJ and NASA need to sit down and discuss if outreach programs to a religion are kosher, so to speak.

    Dustin (8b7882)

  124. DRJ – didnt they assert their new interpretation of how they will force insurance companies to provide “free women’s healthcare coverage” for employees of religious institutions, in the face of the unanimous Hobby Lobby injunction?

    JD (b63a52)

  125. I’m not sure that scaring those who don’t believe in your politics into hiding is a trait that I admire.

    Tell that to the gun owners in NY whose names were publicly posted. I’m sure your OUTRAGE burned like a thousand suns. Tell that to the farmers whose personal information was released to animal rights advocates. I’m sure you were equally outraged.

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (f7d5ba)

  126. do we for reals need to be giving $30,000 borrowed chineser dollars to the “young marines” in Louisiana

    Louisiana is corruption and corruption is Louisiana so I’d be curious to know what these monies are actually spended on

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  127. We just need to get them out in the open.
    Go to your local IRS office and follow the employees home. Then post their addresses and map of their house location.

    They hide behind their anonymity….
    The power we have is to expose them to the light.

    Our government should fear us, not us fearing it.

    Are you a citizen or a subject?

    GangBangof8 (fc2101)

  128. Happyfeet, the answer is no, we do not need that.

    However, the democrats abusing their graft by doling out funds in a way that socially engineers dependency on government for all things (in this case, to include even morality), is going to lead to a trend for more spending.

    If the DOJ were saying ‘no more funds for pretty much anything that isn’t essential’, I would be the first in line to thank them.

    Dustin (8b7882)

  129. Apparently all this statist nonsense gins up the vote for progtards. My libtard acquaintances are all excited about the recent Surpreme Court decisions regarding DOMA and such. How much damage will a Hillary presidency wreak? I suppose it doesn’t matter to fight when Democrats get millions of new voters.
    So Zimmerman is a cracker and the propaganda media can play racial politics endlessly. Seems to me that Bathhouse Barry is more white than George Z.
    Anyway doesn’t it look like all this gun owner data will just make it easier for the Gestapo to seize them in the future when Choom declares martial law for whatever excuse? A former CIA director thinks that North Korea is working on EMP nuke device to destroy American electronics and power grids.
    Facebook assclown Zuckerman appears to be wholly stuck up Obama’s bunghole and welcomes pro-Islamic death to Jews propaganda while often censoring and removing Conservative and Tea party related sites. Just saw a page ‘Equal Rights for Pedophiles’. Isn’t that special? Check out how the cretins on MSNBC, HLN and CNN manage to twist everything factual to suit their own pro-Obama agenda, regardless of the damage done. I think they actually want an all-powerful commie reign here.

    calypso louie Farrakhan (53ccf5)

  130. happyfeet,

    Louisiana has far more citizens in the military (per capita) than most states. If the Young Marines help make that possible, it’s one of the few good investments our government makes. Or used to make.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  131. Here is the website of the Young Marines that explains its purpose.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  132. The Young Marines’ celebrity spokesman is R. Lee Ermey. That alone could be enough to make Holder pull the funding.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  133. i’m conflicted anymore DRJ

    as we become a more fascist country with little regard for liberty – our own or other people’s

    this whole military service thing will need to be looked at much much more skeptically I think

    it’s sad but the sequester showed very explicitly the extent to which the military has become just another piggy at the trough

    I think the randpaul is right we need to audit the pentagon at the very least

    and for sure we have to be vigilant against preferencing military people over other citizens like how they do in North Korea and Russia and other regimes what are more advanced in the daily ins and outs of running a fascist than we are yet

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  134. of running a fascist *regime* is what that was supposed to say

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  135. You do strike me as more of a Libertarian, happyfeet.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  136. If the DOJ were saying ‘no more funds for pretty much anything that isn’t essential’, I would be the first in line to thank them.

    Mr. Dustin the DOJ is surely just shifting monies around – away from red rural louisiana to pay off some fascist apparatchik in a blue state or urban area

    that’s how our fascist and corrupt attorney general piggy rolls

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  137. hey man no labels

    i just worry a lot is all DRJ

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  138. It would seem that the Young Marines are more of an amalgamation of the Jr. ROTC, and the BSA?
    See, it’s all that faithfulness to Family, God, and Country that just rankles the Leftist non-soul.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  139. Mr. Feets – It sounds like you have been neglecting your journal. You need to journal about your worries. It will help center you. Just like wearing anime costumes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  140. I have given myself permission to be disgusted by both Snowden and the U.S. Government these days. There may not be that many good guys, but there are plenty of bad guys to go around.

    I am squeamish with those who attack one to defend the other – “Snowden is horrible! We know that because the Obama Administration makes the Founders look like Stalin!” “Yay, national security leaks! Boo, military-industrial complex! Go, Snowden!”

    IMHO, the issue of Edward Snowden’s character is fundamentally different from the issue of what data the government is collecting and how it is using it. A thoroughly bad guy could have exposed something that needed exposing.

    bridget (84c06f)

  141. O/T, but…..

    Obama announces new $7 billion power initiative for Africa

    I guess he needed somewhere to ship all of that coal the EPA has forbidden power-providers from using to keep the UMWA happy.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  142. my journalings take the form of commentings anymore Mr. daley


    I love it more than beans and pickles but the new job is a huge time suck

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  143. “Obama announces new $7 billion power initiative for Africa”

    Sounds like a pay-off to the chinesers for buying our junk bonds.

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  144. If the African’s want coal-fired power-plants, we could give them some bargain-basement rates on dismantling, shipping, and re-erecting the ones we have.
    The Chinese are building so many new plants to keep up with electrical demand, they can’t build them any faster.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  145. “my journalings take the form of commentings anymore Mr. daley”

    We are blessed Mr. Feets.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


    don’t tell anyone, but under current CA law, private party transfers of long guns over 50 years old do NOT have to go through a NCIS check or an FFL with the ten day hold.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  147. NICS… dOH!

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 6/30/2013 @ 8:04 am

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  148. 83: “Bing it!”
    When did Patterico start getting comments from Steve Ballmer?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (c48760)

  149. 17 million in the streets in Egypt today might just be taking the Marines out of play.

    Just maybe.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  150. 153. Dog persisting in supporting Mursi even as Egyptian military issues 48-hour ultimatum.

    Sure, whatever.

    This is like ‘Predator meets Alien’. More popcorn.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  151. wake up, why is this even a question. Of course they are. Commerce Dept asked about this in American Community Survey & personal visit as well, just one of many examples.

    ER (d7739b)

  152. It would be both interesting and informative to be able to use some widget in this blog’s software to search for the 6-character-in-parentheses value and see what all user names are associated with it … and the reverse – search user name to find the 6-character-in-parentheses values associated with that …

    I don’t know how easy or hard that would be to program …

    Hi Alastor,

    This is not a widget, but if you go to, you can restrict your search to a specific website with “” without quotes. Then you can enter the hashcode as a search term. It’ll return the previous comments by that person. hasn’t had the hashcode feature for very long, so the method won’t return a very large set of comments.

    bonhomme (11eace)

  153. Every state has a data base of everyone that has bought a hunting license, if it was a duck hunting license you can be sure they own a shotgun, if it was a deer hunting license you can be sure they own a high powered rifle, through credit card searches you can determine what kind of ammunition they bought, also if they buy holsters they must own a pistol, what kind of clips did they buy, did they buy a gun safe, do they ever go to a gun range for target practice, do they have subscriptions to hunting magazines have they purchased a membership in the NRA, soon you have compiled a large data base of gun owners and you can cite that information when asking for a search warrant.

    dunce (15d7dc)

  154. Cenk Uygur’s of The Young Turks take: “Obama Is BIG BROTHER And He’s A LIAR!”

    Former Conservative (6e026c)

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