IRS Scandal: More Proof Emerges of D.C. Involvement — But in What?
Some more evidence has emerged of inquiries to Tea Party groups originating from the IRS in Washington DC. Ed Morrissey says this is evidence that Washington, D.C. was involved in the targeting of Tea Party groups. Maybe — but I’m not completely sure what to make of this evidence.
The scandal is not that organizations were being asked for more information — that happens all the time with organizations seeking tax-exempt status. The real scandal is why they were targeted to begin with: that they had names that sounded conservative. It’s not clear to me that the new evidence sheds any light on that question, although it might.
I think we need to know: did D.C. typically get involved in the process of questioning an organizing selected for further scrutiny ? If so, the new evidence doesn’t necessarily tell us much about who was involved in targeting conservatives as such — unless there is some unreported aspect of the communications that I am missing.
I thought it was a couple of rogue employees who acted all on their own. The IG report said so.
JD (df45ac) — 5/29/2013 @ 7:10 amI believe one of the massive questionnaires had Lerner’s signature on it. Considering the bizarre questions asked — and that they were apparently not a standard form, but custom-tailored for each group — I think it’s reasonable to assume they were about opposition research, not fair and consistent application of the law.
Regardless, this blows the “we didn’t know; it was a rogue group out of Cincinnati” lie out of the water.
Rob Crawford (e6f27f) — 5/29/2013 @ 7:15 amThe dates on some of those are interesting. Seems like this didnt stop quite when they claimed.
JD (df45ac) — 5/29/2013 @ 7:29 amthe IRS is corrupt like Chicago
and deeply, deeply fascist
it’s a scary situation
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/29/2013 @ 7:32 amHere’s a further clue as to Ma href=”http://washingtonexaminer.com/lawmakers-zero-in-on-irs-meetings-at-white-house/article/2530439″>White House-IRS coordination:
No doubt because “Steven Miller” is just one of those hard-to-spell names. In many cases the WH logs are also unclear, or blank, on whom the IRS commissioner was meeting. Further:
Apparently, Shulman is unable to recall why he was going to the White House so frequently. For those that remember the Watergate hearings, “I can’t recall” is a tell.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:15 amUm … White House-IRS coordination
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:16 amI think they are pressing lower level people at this point to get to the head of the snake. Let’s hope the committee doesn’t get cold feet.
Patricia (be0117) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:40 amApparently, Shulman is unable to recall why he was going to the White House so frequently
Not so. He went for the Easter Egg roll.
JD (b63a52) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:48 amOther than a brief introductory at the time of nomination, there is absolutely no reason for the IRS commissioner to visit the WH.
Joe (debac0) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:49 amIt’s apparently still going on.
Rob Crawford (e6f27f) — 5/29/2013 @ 9:03 amWe’re making way too much of this secret WH pogram of suppression against the TEA Party, after all what difference does it make if a few disgruntled IRS employees happened to be offended by a disgustingly provocative video of TEA Party patriots picking up trash at the Washington Monument?
IRS agents aren’t ordinary human beings, they’re above the silly rules and regulations they routinely inflict on the taxpaying public. IRS agents don’t have to sit still for the sort of political interference uppity citizens or whining taxpayers think the US Constitution permits them to engage in.
Those two IRS agents in Cincinnati were provoked and they spontaneously decided without consulting each other, their supervisors, or anyone yet questioned before a Congressional Committee whether they took the 5th or not, to bring down the purifying force of government entanglement against so-called grassroots citizen organizations opposed to ever expanding government in a righteous and overdue display of retribution against Obama’s racist critics.
It’s not like a few IRS agents just happened to be out for a stroll one evening on the anniversary of 9/11 and decided to shoot off a few RPGs and murder a US ambassador and several of his fellow henchmen.
ropelight (bd6714) — 5/29/2013 @ 10:43 amIt was a rogue auto pen! It signed him in to cast doubt on the famed independence of the IRS from the White HOuse.
Patricia (be0117) — 5/29/2013 @ 11:37 amHow in hades do you screw up the spelling of “Steven Miller?”
Since more then one of the targeted groups have reported that IRS agents told them their applications had to go to a “special task force” in DC it’s safe to say this wasn’t standard procedure. Unless administration lawyers have invented a new definition of the word “special” as they did when drafting their drone strike policy and they invented the new definition of the term “imminent threat” which now includes “not in the immediate future.”
Whether or not DC had been involved in the process in previous administrations, the Obama administration had clearly invented an entirely new process. How “special.”
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 5/29/2013 @ 2:31 pmA conservative today showed letters sent to him THIS MONTH by IRS demanding more information – years after his 501(c)4 application was submitted.
The IRS has the duty to vet organizations applying for tax free status, but the nature of the questions and the dragged out process, coupled with coincidental tax audits of individuals and their companies and surprise inspections by other federal agencies shows there was a coordinated effort to suppress conservative involvement in the elections and their free speech rights.
in_awe (7c859a) — 5/29/2013 @ 4:00 pmIt explains a lot doesn’t it;
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/breaking-lois-lerner-told-republican-in-1996-promise-me-you-will-never-run-again-and-well-drop-this-fec-case/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/29/2013 @ 7:33 pmWow. If that Gateway Pundit post is accurate the woman belongs in jail.
Given how far she went in the IRS while running outside the law the rot must run deep there. They need to clean out entire organizations and start fresh, say, by hiring only people that have been audited. There’s zero chance that will happen so I guess I’ll have a big cup of shut up, again.
East Bay Jay (a5dac7) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:41 pmAll IRS agents used to be audited as a precondition of employment. I don’t know if that’s still the case.
nk (875f57) — 5/29/2013 @ 8:43 pmGiven that the tax code is so convoluted and contradictory and therefore impossible to comply with in every respect, it is clear to me that the IRS cannot possibly administer the tax system fairly and non-arbitrarily. Therefore it must be abolished and replaced by a system that is clear and fair and has no room for arbitrary whim.
Rorschach (d62b54) — 5/30/2013 @ 12:33 amCleta Mitchell who is representing Englebrect/Kink Street Patriots/True the Vote in the lawsuit against the IRS has names. http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/28/18563008-irs-higher-ups-requested-info-on-conservative-groups-letters-show?lite
Rorschach (d62b54) — 5/30/2013 @ 12:40 am“The scandal is not that organizations were being asked for more information — that happens all the time with organizations seeking tax-exempt status. The real scandal is why they were targeted to begin with”
The first scandal is the selection for special treatment, the second scandal is the treatment itself – requests for answers to onerous and irrelevant questions, and loooong delays.
Robbo (fcc529) — 5/30/2013 @ 4:35 amI guess that would fit here;
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/29/libs-stunned-to-find-tax-breaks-benefit-those-who-actually-pay-taxes/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/30/2013 @ 5:43 amAtkinson has it;
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/30/cbs-the-strange-case-of-true-the-vote-vs-the-irs-and-lots-of-other-bureaucrats/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/30/2013 @ 10:27 amFor what it’s worth:
Douglas Shulman was a very frequent visitor to the White House during the Obama years.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/05/30/more-on-that-frequent-white-house-visitor/
Although Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2008, he had donated $500 to the Democratic National Committee in the month prior to the re-election of President Bush in 2004. He was confirmed unanimously by the Senate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Shulman
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/30/2013 @ 2:56 pmSome people maybe don’t sign in every time.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/30/2013 @ 2:57 pm