Open Thread
British soldier survives Afghanistan but not scumbag terrorists on the streets at home. Tea Party and old guard Republicans fight about whether to do anything about the deficit. Details emerge about keeping the Rosen inquiry secret. Your comments are welcome.
P.S. Has any Big Media outlet noted Holder’s false statements under oath? I know that the country’s top law enforcing officer lying under oath is no big deal if a Democrat is in the White House, but still…anything? Leave links below if you have seen any mention of this at all.
Well none of that, but this will get a lot of play;
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/immigration/2013/05/adios-sherrif-jose-federal-court-rules-arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-violated-united-states-constitutio.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:24 am‘nothing to see here’
http://news.yahoo.com/did-attorney-general-eric-holder-ok-attempt-hack-121112635–abc-news-politics.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:31 amI think someone should show the people of Arizona pictures of Stockholm burning…
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:43 amthen have a referendum, do the people of Arizona want the law enforcement policies of the Swedes or sheriff arpaio.
==Has any Big Media outlet noted Holder’s false statements under oath?==
Probably most’ve noticed, but they are all askeered to say it in print. Mind games. The headline-making stories of intimidation of “administration enemies” by powerful agencies and phone tapping by the DOJ/FBI of investigative journalists is working out perfectly.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:46 amWell this Kafaesque exercise, is my fishwrap’s contribution;
http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washington/2013/05/obama-calls-for-a-review-of-media-targeted-by-justice.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:55 amI am happy to be told otherwise by people who know better than I, but my impression is that Sheriff Arpaio is guilty only of protecting the welfare of US citizens, in opposition to federal policy under Obama and Holder.
Thankfully, there is an appeals process under way.
I advocate non-violent civil disobedience when necessary.
It would be a sad day if and when the feds under law breaking DOJ Holder put into prison law officers who only want to protect their constituents.
Of course, that is assuming the truth of my perspective on the sheriff.
I wonder if the FBI is monitoring the web for critical comments of Holder.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:56 am“then have a referendum, do the people of Arizona want the law enforcement policies of the Swedes or sheriff arpaio.”
– MD in Philly
And they should probably have their police start harassing anyone who looks Swedish, just to be safe.
Leviticus (e480ae) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:57 amThey probably do, in Sweden, re that link out of Maalmo
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:00 amDissenting views that undermined our national policies and security leaks that hurt the government were seen as good things when President Bush was in office. Hillary Clinton even said so, I heard her.
Now not so much. If AG Holder and President Obama want to know the contents of my prayers, it is that they would see the light and become honest.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:01 amLeviticus, it’s a no win situation. If they started harassing people that looked like the parking enforcement person they would get charged for sexual harrassment and war on women.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:04 amWe live in an odd time. Things seem to be turned on their head. The Attorney General lies under oath. The president, who has sworn to uphold the Constitution, ignores its amendments to attack and neutralize his enemies, defined by anyone who opposes his agenda. The IRS goes after groups that are applying for the same tax status as Obama’s supporters. In spite of this, his approval rating stays above 50% while more than 50% says the country is on the “wrong track.” It makes me happy that I am 75 years old. I can’t take much more of this.
Mike K (dc6ffe) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:08 amIt’s a world-wide phenomenon:
http://www.friatider.se/swedes-take-to-the-streets-to-defend-their-neighborhoods
In the Stockholm suburb of Tumba the police decided to abandon their earlier non-intervention policy as a large group of police officers rounded up and dispersed a group of vigilantes trying to fend off rioters.
Toto, we’re not in Stockholm anymore…
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:09 amI wonder how many practicing lawyers have already been “subtly” intimidated against taking jobs to represent certain clients if the government and/or any aspect of the current administration’s policies would be involved as the defendant. Does any one here now think that hasn’t or couldn’t happen?
Leviticus?
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:12 amI read the world news and think, it smells like WW III to me.
Patricia (be0117) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:28 amI can’t speak for practicing lawyers, obviously, but I haven’t felt or witnessed any kind of pressure along those lines in school.
Anyway, NM is probably the wrong legal market to assess the matter – too small a pond. A lot of the big Federal agencies don’t have a particularly active presence here, and (as a result) Federal politics takes something of a back seat. As far as I can tell, NM cashes its Federal checks and tries to keep a low profile. Concerns about pro-Federal indoctrination might be more of an issue in legal markets with more Federal headquarters.
The most active opposition to Federal policies/agencies I see in NM is a) civil defense firms challenging EPA policies on behalf of oil/gas/mining clients, and b) NGO pushback against agencies obstructing access to public benefits.
Leviticus (e480ae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:29 amHere’s another Sweden link and one that is filled with photos and quotes and insight.
http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fires-671/
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:55 amhttp://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/24/did-eric-holder-lie-in-congressional-testimony-last-week/
I saw this article on hotair.
Rubykatherine (0b138c) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:00 amAnd they should probably have their police start harassing anyone who looks Swedish, just to be safe.
I don’t mind liberals who try to be very big-hearted and idealistic. What I do mind are liberals who through their disingenuous naivete, willful ignorance and faux compassion contribute to the decline of a community, witness what they’ve wrought, and then pack their bags and move to greener pastures elsewhere. They’re like bratty kids who leave behind a big mess and force the adults to clean up after them.
Speaking of which — and your mentioning private interests taking advantage of natural resources — I also resent businesses that mainly of decades ago pursued irresponsible policies and practices, and left behind a pile of, in particular, pollution, which a third-party (mainly the public) then had to rectify. But that pales next to the day-in, day-out corruption and dysfunction — social and economic — that can be traced to liberals and their do-gooder, feel-good ideology.
Mark (aa8ab9) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:03 amHere’s another Sweden link and one that is filled with photos and quotes and insight.
The problem is Sweden’s long history of racism and slavery. Oh, er, strike that.
The problem is Sweden’s long history of not providing a safety net, or at least one that was generous enough. Oh, er, strike that.
Most definitely the problem is that Sweden has long been far too culturally, socially, economically conservative or rightwing. Too much along the lines of America’s deep South, etc. Oh, er, strike that.
Mark (aa8ab9) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:09 amthe best thing about the IRS corruption is we can use it to ram through a convoluted immigration scheme without debate
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:11 amPatterico wrote;
“P.S. Has any Big Media outlet noted Holder’s false statements under oath? I know that the country’s top law enforcing officer lying under oath is no big deal if a Democrat is in the White House, but still…anything? Leave links below if you have seen any mention of this at all.”
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How will Barry Obama ever find out about any of this if it doesn’t get printed in the newspaper ?
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:18 amIve been reading the news in Swedish and its mostly very depressing as the confusion is so great.
IT’s like the anti-grinch giving Christmas and talking to his dog in dismay because they’ve gone all Dah-who-dorrie burning it down.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:21 amRe # 18 : Have you ever considered that, in most cases, those businesses were complying with the “state of the art” knowledge at the time. A doctor who bleeds a patient tody is committing an act of malpractice. The doctors who bled George Washington and, in the opinion of many today, caused his death were practicing “state of the art” medicine.
Michael M. Keohane (bfc8aa) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:46 amA Bad sign is blatant attempts to parse Holder’s testimony.
Doug Mataconis was indignant and insisted that Holder only testified he thought “prosecution” of men like Rosen would be ill-advised (and he had no and would have no part in it).
But of course the phrase used was “potential prosecution” and that is indeed the only basis on which they claimed need for the warrant and the secrecy. They had to treat Rosen like a potential criminal who would potentially be prosecuted, to get at his emails. And Holder signed of on all of that.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:56 amThere was no prosecution, said Doug, so no perjury. That is parsing until the warrants make no sense at all.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:58 amI read the world news and think, it smells like WW III to me.
Seems more like the return of the Crusades to me.
We have tried to accomodate and co-exist with Islam, and it is not working.
One day we will wake up and realize that Islam is not willing to accomodate and co-exist with us.
gahrie (3fff08) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:59 amat least one person in France agrees with gahrie:
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:04 amhttp://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/05/london-beheading-.html
MISS — The city of Chico is talking about raising all sorts of fees and fines in an effort to plug an enormous hole in its budget.
The council has for years approved spending millions of dollars it didn’t have, shifting money around to hide the problem. Now it’s out in the open, and citizens will pay dearly if they dare break city laws.
But there’s good news out there for nuclear bomb owners. The current fine for a first-time violation of the city’s nuclear-free ordinance is $1,064. Under a proposal to revise certain fines, a first-time offense will be reduced to $1,000.
For those of you new to town, this is not a joke.
Say what you will, but ever since the nuke ordinance law was passed, there have been no nuke ordnance explosions in town. Clearly that law has been more successful than the budget process!
Neo (d1c681) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:07 amNarciso’s link in comment 2 is to an ABC News story that notes “critics” question whether Holder “misled” Congress. Not whether he lied but it may be getting there.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:07 amA ‘North African’ man just stabbed a French anti-terrorism soldier in the neck in Paris. Cue Michael Moore to tell us how George W. Bush drive him to do it.
Icy (19a3b8) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:11 amHere’s a link to a report regarding Icy’s comment.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:12 amJennifer Rubin at the Washington Post calls it a misrepresentation, not only to Congress but possibly to the courts.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:26 amRegarding the savage attack on the soldier in England, here’s an excerpt from the AP article that ran on our local newspaper’s web site:
“The attack on Rigby is presumed to have been because he was a veteran, motivated by ongoing tensions regarding the conflict in Afghanistan.”
Meanwhile, at National Review Online, Mark Steyn has yet another excellent piece on the West’s continuing refusal to confront radical Islam. An excerpt:
In London as in Boston, the politico-media class immediately lapsed into the pneumatic multiculti Tourette’s that seems to be a chronic side effect of excess diversity-celebrating: No Islam to see here, nothing to do with Islam, all these body parts in the street are a deplorable misinterpretation of Islam. The BBC’s Nick Robinson accidentally described the men as being “of Muslim appearance,” but quickly walked it back lest impressionable types get the idea that there’s anything “of Muslim appearance” about a guy waving a machete and saying “Allahu akbar.” A man is on TV dripping blood in front of a dead British soldier and swearing “by Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you,” yet it’s the BBC reporter who’s apologizing for “causing offence.”
(End of excerpt)
Please read the entire column.
Whitey Nisson (972934) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:27 amThe IRS report was due 2 months before the last election.Too bad the rino party was asleep at the wheel. Romney/Ryan ended up being painfully comical.
mg (31009b) — 5/25/2013 @ 12:12 pm11-
askeptic (2bb434) — 5/25/2013 @ 12:12 pmYou know, the words that Mr. Jefferson published in July of 1776 seem to apply very strongly today.
Do we have the resolve to throw off this current form of tyranny?
Mr. Holder only keeps his job because it is probably the only way Mr. Obama can fend off an extradition warrant from Mexico.
askeptic (2bb434) — 5/25/2013 @ 12:17 pmFunny how certain reporters don’t get the Rosen treatment;
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/25/oh-good-iranian-hackers-trying-to-break-into-the-american-energy-grid/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 1:14 pmmg–was it common knowledge that there had been an IG audit going on within the IRS with respect to this issue and that the report was overdue? I was not aware of it. I don’t recall seeing any place, especially right leaning blogs or news sites mentioning it over the space of the months it was being “conducted”.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 1:18 pmAskeptic@34–this link is for you.
Americans are beginning to recognize the disturbing similarities between President Obama and the fallen Richard Nixon, but the comparison that may matter more is between Mr. Obama and King George III.
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance,” in the words of the Declaration of Independence.
King George’s assault on the Americans’ natural freedoms was oppressive, intolerable and deserving of a revolution. The truth is, the intrusion, restriction and outright harassment that our government subjects us to today is far beyond what the colonists faced from their tyrannical king. If it was tyranny in 1776, then, by God, it is tyranny today.
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This is not simply a scandal, as some call it. A scandal implies a failure of the system. This is the system. This is a political class wielding the goliath power of the most intrusive and most feared government agencies at their disposal in order to intimidate, silence and control the citizenry. It is an unmasked assault on the First Amendment, on the Constitution and on America itself, and it must not stand.
Americans find this kind of naked tyranny repulsive right down to a cellular level. It’s in our DNA. We fled a continent and faced unknown mortal dangers to escape it. We fought a revolution to remove it from our shores. Foreign or domestic, we will surely fight it today.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/24/tyranny-in-our-time/
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 1:26 pmIt only feels like it’s been sixteen years;
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/24/mark-steyn-on-irs-hearings-you-guys-wasted-your-whole-time-with-your-revolution/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 1:31 pmJonathan Turley, WAPO: on The Fourth Branch of Government.
The tyranny word seems to be coming up a lot in a narrative which is gaining speed and getting some attention.
Our carefully constructed system of checks and balances is being negated by the rise of a fourth branch, an administrative state of sprawling departments and agencies that govern with increasing autonomy and decreasing transparency.
…
For much of our nation’s history, the federal government was quite small. In 1790, it had just 1,000 nonmilitary workers. In 1962, there were 2,515,000 federal employees. Today, we have 2,840,000 federal workers in 15 departments, 69 agencies and 383 nonmilitary sub-agencies.
This exponential growth has led to increasing power and independence for agencies. The shift of authority has been staggering. The fourth branch now has a larger practical impact on the lives of citizens than all the other branches combined.
The rise of the fourth branch has been at the expense of Congress’s lawmaking authority. In fact, the vast majority of “laws” governing the United States are not passed by Congress but are issued as regulations, crafted largely by thousands of unnamed, unreachable bureaucrats. One study found that in 2007, Congress enacted 138 public laws, while federal agencies finalized 2,926 rules, including 61 major regulations.
This rulemaking comes with little accountability. It’s often impossible to know, absent a major scandal, whom to blame for rules that are abusive or nonsensical. Of course, agencies owe their creation and underlying legal authority to Congress, and Congress holds the purse strings. But Capitol Hill’s relatively small staff is incapable of exerting oversight on more than a small percentage of agency actions. …
The autonomy was magnified when the Supreme Court ruled in 1984 that agencies are entitled to heavy deference in their interpretations of laws. The court went even further this past week, ruling that agencies should get the same heavy deference in determining their own jurisdictions — a power that was previously believed to rest with Congress. In his dissent in Arlington v. FCC, Chief Justice John Roberts warned: “It would be a bit much to describe the result as ‘the very definition of tyranny,’ but the danger posed by the growing power of the administrative state cannot be dismissed.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-rise-of-the-fourth-branch-of-government/2013/05/24/c7faaad0-c2ed-11e2-9fe2-6ee52d0eb7c1_story.html
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:05 pm“The IRS report was due 2 months before the last election.Too bad the rino party was asleep at the wheel.”
mg – What is this asleep at the wheel BS? If you bothered to watch the oversight hearings you would have seen Rep. Issa interrogating TIGTA George over their correspondence during the summer of 2012 when Issa demanded updates on the audit. TIGTA George outright lied to Issa as did senior management at the IRS about the practices going on.
Please explain with your vast store of knowledge and experience how Congress was actually asleep at the wheel when the record shows they were actually following up on conservative targeting by the IRS only to be stonewalled and fed lies by the Administration. How would you have broken the stonewalling and pierced the lies?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:07 pm“Cue Michael Moore to tell us how George W. Bush drive him to do it.”
– Icy
Nice sentence, bro.
Leviticus (e480ae) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:15 pmSorry. That was immature.
Leviticus (e480ae) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:20 pmFat fingers on a keyboard aside are you a fan of Michael Moore, Leviticus? Do you think in general he represents the thinking of the left? Or do you see him as more of a rock thrower who adds little to problem solving and coalition building?
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:23 pmI’d answer “Yes” to both elissa’s questions, but I’m not young or liberal. So I’m very interested in how Leviticus would answer those questions.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:28 pmWe have the account of Ms. Paz sitting in on George’s interviews, from the earlier thread
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:53 pm“Cue Michael Moore to tell us how George W. Bush drive him to do it.”
– Icy
Nice sentence, bro.
Comment by Leviticus (e480ae) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:15 pm
— That was a reference to Moore blaming the attack in England on Bush’s ‘wars of aggression’.
Icy (19a3b8) — 5/25/2013 @ 3:27 pmAs for my iPhone changing ‘drove’ to ‘drive’, trust me, when I reach the afterlife I’m going to track down Steve Jobs and kick him in the nuts.
“We have the account of Ms. Paz sitting in on George’s interviews, from the earlier thread”
narciso – Of which both the Oversight Committee and Mr. George were unaware until this week if Mr. George is telling the truth.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 3:39 pmIcy,
I plan to have a few words with Jobs, too, although he will undoubtedly correct them.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 3:41 pm41- The tea-party people knew it was happening, but no help from the progressive set from the right. So the republican party is so out of touch they didn’t have a clue as to how to proceed to bring this to the peoples attention. Keep hitching that wagon to the republicans daleyrocks, elissa.
mg (31009b) — 5/25/2013 @ 3:54 pmTo fuel cries of racism Al says: “Fried chicken, Fried Chicken, Fried Chicken”
al formerly from chgo (bb4020) — 5/25/2013 @ 4:06 pm50. I merely asked you a simple question mg. What’s the answer? The Tea Party is not very active in my area, but I regularly read many blogs that focus almost exclusively on tea party hot issues because I learn a lot and agree with most of them. Perhaps you can point me to where and when the harassment and targeting of applications for certain tax exempt organizations was discussed and documented on righty blogs or Sarah’s facebook until very recently– because I don’t recall seeing it. I’m not saying some articles and examples weren’t there. Maybe they were. Quite possibly I missed them. But I am saying I just don’t think it was common knowledge for the last two years as you have suggested and appear to be so bitter about. I’d love to (and will) go back into the archives to read what was being said by the tea party applicants and their defenders, and how it was presented. Can you provide some links?
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 4:22 pmAdding–I don’t recall that Patterico ever did a post on the IRS targeting of conservatives, for example, until late this month. Yet it seems like exactly the kind of shocking lawless thing he would have been all over, and that the regular readers here would have found interesting to discuss and write about–if we had all (including Patterico) known about it.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 4:33 pmelissa, it is gratifying to know that someone within the Beltway has come to their senses.
askeptic (2bb434) — 5/25/2013 @ 4:58 pm“The tea-party people knew it was happening, but no help from the progressive set from the right. So the republican party is so out of touch they didn’t have a clue as to how to proceed to bring this to the peoples attention.”
mg – Completely nonresponsive as usual.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:20 pmelissa, daleyrocks –
mg (31009b) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:29 pmLast spring Cleta Mitchell said she shared with republican lawmakers the letters sent to her clients containing pages of questions. That led Sen. Hatch and Rep. Camp to each write letters to the IRS demanding answers. Top agency officials were called into testify, denying any politically motivated targeting had occurred. That is when the inspector general started the investigation.
That effort by Mitchell and her allies got her a couple headlines LAST SPRING before running out of steam during the election.
If they didn’t know something was up then, well, the republicans are dumber than dirt.
mg, another fail on your part.
SPQR (768505) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:30 pmThey kepr running into roadblocks and they didn’t know why. Levin says he brought what he knew at the time, to Boehner and there was little feedback, what is ‘unresponsive’ is the notion that Obama was ‘in over his head’ How criminally naive was that.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:34 pmSince this is an open thread, is anyone else sick and tired of the Democrat’s constant whining about not being able to help the “middle class.”
It’s always middle class this and middle class that.
“We can’t do the hard work to help the middle class because, GOP.”
“The middle class is suffering because we can’t do our work because GOP.”
“We can’t close Guantanamo because the Congress is preventing us from doing the work we need to do for the middle class.”
“Our drone strike policy is correct because the GOP keeps us from the hard work of fighting for the middle class.”
“We spied on journalists because the hard work we need to do for the middle class is being stopped by the GOP.
“If the GOP would not stop us from doing the hard work needed for the middle class, we wouldn’t have problems in the IRS.”
“The XL pipeline controversy created by the GOP prevents us from doing the hard work of helping the middle class.”
I guess it tested well in a focus group about six years ago. Now, they just can’t stop.
As a member of the middle class, I would be happy if they would just leave us alone.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:39 pmWell how did someone put it ‘Obama will not let you be uninvolved’ consequently we have Treasury Secretaries who didn’t pay tax, cars we are ‘nudged’ into destroying, windmills we don’t need.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:49 pmConservatives have questioned whether the Obama Administration used the IRS to target its opponents since at least 2010, but that isn’t the same as having proof. To my knowledge, there wasn’t proof until Lois Lerner admitted it at the ABA meeting a few weeks ago.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:52 pmThat was Michelle Obama, narciso:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 5:54 pmAll I am saying is the republicans play defense everyday, Offense is how you level the playing field.
mg (31009b) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:05 pmExactly, Romney had no trouble practically pinning a Sandinista bandana on Newt, whereas with Obama, the punches were pulled in short order,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:10 pmWhile conservatives who have been the primary targets, the Administration may also have targeted liberals who dare to criticize Obama.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:21 pmMartin Schram, Boston Herald, on potted plants
On days when the president is coming, the White House press room, the East Room and even occasionally the Rose Garden are ornamented with dozens of objects that perform the decorative and utilitarian purpose of potted plants.
They are members of the prestigious White House press corps (a gaggle in which I also plied my craft for many years).
…“Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your counsel’s office found out on April 22?” a reporter asked.
When Obama responded, “Let me make sure that I answer your specific question,” journalists who know interviewing sensed a tipoff that he might do nothing of the sort. “I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the (inspector general) report before the IG report had been leaked through the press,” Obama said — ignoring the question of whether his advisers knew.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:31 pm…the follow-up question — that crucial question-and-answer tool for informing the public — has all but gone the way of dinosaurs and running boards.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/opinion/op_ed/2013/05/white_house_press_must_get_back_to_basics
Mike K wonders why, despite the scandals, Obama’s
I, BarKahn (25189b) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:34 pmpopularity stays above 50%. The answer, I think, is that Obama has succeeded in creating, what I would call, a Social-Democrat majority, which continues to grow larger as more workers leave the pool of unemployed and apply for and receive disability, as the record number of Americans receiving some form of government assistance increases, and as young people reach the voting age. The net effect of this is to ensure an increasingly socialist government and the end of American exceptionalism.
64.Maybe you didn’t notice, but Newt’ a pudgy white guy, Narciso. 🙂
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:36 pmWell it’s closer to 47%, which is too high;
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/24/documents-lois-lerner-was-directly-involved-in-targeting-program-n1605861
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 6:36 pmA debate I think we need to have: GOP vs GOP.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:02 pmSome notions are more plausible then others, however it should be noted that Bush never promised to be an immigration hawk, or a budget cutter,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:10 pmThat’s true, narciso, but I still think it’s time for this discussion. Bush won on an open borders, big-government “compassionate conservive” platform, but that doesn’t make it the GOP’s permanent platform.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:24 pmTrue, ‘compassionate conservative’ had it’s time in the sun, and really didn’t do well.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:28 pmDRJ–do you think those Bush ideas are currently represented in the written party platform?
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:28 pmWow, he really has dialed to eleven;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3023865/posts
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:32 pmSince this is an open thread, is anyone else sick and tired of the Democrat’s constant whining about not being able to help the “middle class.”
They can’t help the middle class because damn near everything they do is designed to hurt anyone who works. The TEA Party is the bourgeoisie, and they pretty much know who is out to screw them.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:33 pmelissa,
I think politicians vary on the immigration issue depending on where they are from. I also think most Republicans in Washington and many state government officials believe government is the answer, as long as it’s conservative government. Some believe in limiting government in theory but not as much in practice. And a few actually believe in limiting government.
Americans have been able to afford many luxuries for so long that it’s hard to give any up, but one of the luxuries we need to give up is big government.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:37 pmThe “Limbaugh theorum” says that by being in perpetual campaign mode, saying what he thinks needs to be done, the one deflects responsibility for anything that is happening.
I know people who I would have thought otherwise intelligent that believe Obama isn’t getting done what he wants because of the obstructionist repubs.
Maybe someone should make Joe Arpaio face masks and T-shirts that say “I am Joe Arpaio”.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 7:42 pmShe is like a perpetually broken clock, isn’t she;
http://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-terrible-advocate-freedom-press-181859510.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:06 pmAiding and abetting republicans is a disease that needs treatment.
mg (31009b) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:23 pmHow are militants who target an active-duty soldier, refrain from violence against civilians, and then engage armed police terrorists?
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:27 pm==we need to give up …big government.==
Yes we do. And I believe at our core the American man on the street “of the right”, i.e., Republicans, conservatives, libertarians and tea partiers as well as many independents, all share the common soul-deep value of limited government and individual liberty. That is why we are not liberals.
We must focus almost exclusively on this major tie that binds us, think through and offer applicable solutions to reduce government and its agencies’ stifling regulations, put up solid smart candidates, and perfect this narrative and platform to show how it relates to and impacts every conceivable problem the country faces and will face. We need to explain the legitimate differences between the historical governing philosophy of the left and right which have been extant and balancing each other for centuries. Instead, we continue to publicly argue and trash each other over the issues and personalities around which we will never fully coalesce. This is a big factor in why the left’s squirrely and untrue narratives in how they define the right seem to always supersede our own narratives–along with the truth .
It is the voters we must reach. They elect the politicians. Two more words: Tax reform.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:31 pmcomrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:38 pmteh preener never big on
self criticism
you’re right, narciso, newt should’ve been the nominee… we’d have seen a whole different outcome.
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:39 pmthe whole enterprise is rotten to the core. 0bama is in so far over his head that he’d get the bends if he surfaced too fast. Holder not only needs to resign, he needs to be under criminal indictment.
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:43 pmI liked Newt, but it would still have been an Obama win.
Also Patterico’s right: it’s breathtaking that Attorney-General Holder materially lying under oath over something important and involving the press isn’t front page news. What’s even more breathtaking is that it’s not really breathtaking.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:45 pmcomrade obama
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:47 pmhis party keeps infighting
mostly behind scenes
elissa,
I agree with what you say but I’m not sure this message resonates with most Americans anymore, primarily because you have to be working and a taxpayer to care about these issues — and too few Americans work or pay taxes now.
Things can change and I hope they will. I think most Americans want to work, and hopefully the economic situation will improve and there will be more jobs. But I don’t expect that to happen as long as Obama is in office, and 8 years of economic malaise will be hard to overcome.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:47 pmcomrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:54 pmFive Year Plan ends December
all hat no cattle
DRJ–You are wise to be cynical and your reasons are certainly valid. But I don’t think our message has been clearly formulated or sent properly or effectively in a generation. And yet, when we vote it seems that as a nation we are still close to a 50-50 country. Before we on the right give up entirely, I’d like to see one last united and concerted effort to re-educate the populace about freedom and try to tip the balance back toward much smaller government.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:58 pmcomrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:59 pmpounding his bruno maglies
hammer and sickle
comrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:01 pmteh Punahou Bongmaster
we will bury you
teh Bullshevik Kid
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:04 pmcatered to since he’s squeezed out
Road to Perdition
I think politics is cyclical and we’re in a period when the electorate responds more to attractive, articulate, charismatic politicians. It’s happened before and it will again (e.g., JFK and Reagan), which is why I consider it a cyclical phenomenon.
Thus, I’m not cynical about whether Republicans can win the Presidency — I think they can — but I don’t think the GOP can win with nominees who feel entitled or base their campaign on competency. Both of these qualities resonate with the GOP base but not with today’s electorate. However, I think we can win with an attractive, articulate, charismatic nominee. Rubio is one and there are others.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:06 pmhis li’l goat horn buds
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:07 pmwere surgically removed
before age of two
Comrade Obama
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:07 pmwagyu beef, arugula
we eat cabbage borscht
Republicans give in on amnesty, it’s all over but the shoutin’…
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:08 pmDemographics and technology drag the entire country to the left. Republicans can win future elections in the same sense that the Conservative Party can in Spain.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:09 pmComrade 0bama
bumrushed the Bolshoi in vain
couldn’t get friend hired
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/rahm%20ballet.jpeg
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:13 pmmoochelle 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:15 pmtakes extended vacation
at secret Phat Farm
Menendez tells press
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:17 pmgang of 8 hasn’t the votes
still workin’ on it
comrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:17 pmwill surely buy the rope that
hangs America
comrade 0bama
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:18 pmwhat a fine friend he has in
teh old wacko bird
Former Conservative,
The country has moved to the left on many issues, but at some point reality will move us back to the right on fiscal issues. We don’t have a choice because there isn’t enough money to keep living the way we are living, especially with Obama’s tepid economy.
I’m curious. Why do you call yourself a former conservative? Do you now consider yourself a libertarian, a disaffected conservative, liberal, or something else?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:18 pmthis is an open thread and I would like to say that we should not put the teen lesbians in prison for 15 years
that’s just my two cents
it’s a bad use of scarce resources in my opinion
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:20 pmIt depends on position, DRJ. A bit over the map, but more often libertarian.
The main reason I call myself a “former conservative” is I tried to explain what the problems are, and conservatives shut their ears. They’re more dogmatic than the left (and twice as timid).
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:20 pmMenendez goes down
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:20 pmnot for teh count but on teh
Dominican girls
We’re cautious about change because we’re conservative. It kind of fits, don’t you think?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:21 pmteen lesbian caged heat… from American International…
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:22 pmdrop and back away from teh crack pipe!… NO ONE is more dogmatic than teh left…
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:23 pmI’m taking about blatant moral and especially intellectual fear. It’s more of a self-censorship to the point where conservatives become blind to the fact that they’re doing that, usually in response to the left and cultural Marxists generally.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:23 pmWhich of course is how they lost the entire country.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:25 pmbobby menendez
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:25 pmis one corrupt corksoaker
no two ways ’bout it
Well, conservatives have had a bad decade when it comes to cultural issues and we aren’t united in how to respond.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:26 pmhf,
Are you talking about the divorce judge who ruled the children of a divorced couple can’t stay with the lesbian mother and her girlfriend? Or something else?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:27 pmIt’s an after-effect from WW2, DRJ.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:27 pmhard to respond when culture is in teh terlet and country is rotting like it was pre-ordained.
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:27 pmcaged heat, feets…
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:28 pmthat is all from Planet Haiku… klaatu barada nikto.
Colonel Haiku (793cae) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:30 pmWhy WWII? You could go all the way back to Rome and say it’s the natural decline of civilization.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:31 pmhappyfeet,
Oh, you’re talking about the Kaitlyn Hunt story, aren’t you?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:34 pmNo, DRJ, it’s a specific and damaging over-reaction to Nazi ideology.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:36 pmAlthough there are distinct parallels with the fall of Rome, but that’s coincidental.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:36 pmThe Kaitlyn Hunt story is a travesty. If hf is talking about that, more power to him.
Former Conservative (754c76) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:39 pmI just reread David Halberstam’s the Best and the Brightest. It’s a good reminder that things were pretty turmoily and scary back in the day, too. Although back then as a nation we pretty much were in concert about, and could mention in polite company who, our external enemies were. (Even if we mightily disagreed about how to deal with them.)
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:40 pmExcept it took Mary McCarthy to point out, Halberstam had been wrong on some key details, and
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:44 pmMoyar, just in the last few years, to indicate how he had been wrong about the whole situation, this fed back through Holbrooke all the way to Kennedy and shaped policy.
I think we should put eighteen-year old sexual predators of fourteen-year old children in prison for longer than fifteen years. Eighty or ninety years sounds about right.
nk (875f57) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:48 pm“this is an open thread and I would like to say that we should not put the teen lesbians in prison for 15 years”
Mr. Feets – If it’s gay it must be OK? Is there a homosexuality exclusion to statutory rape?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:49 pmApparently, daleyrocks. “Stop the hate, free Kate”, she’ll babysit for free.
nk (875f57) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:52 pmNarciso, yes, mistakes were made. A lot of them. Big ones. Resulting in horrible carnage. And that, unfortunately, seems to be endemic to all eras and to all administrations dealing with crisis, and often creating even greater crisis.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:53 pmI could nor reach Whoopie for verification but I don’t think with 15 year old lesbians it’s rape-rape.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:55 pmIt took researching the Russian and Vietnamese archives to discover how wrong Halberstam was, in part because he relied on an NVA double agent,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:56 pmRegardless of the outcome I’m pretty sure this is not what Kaitlyn’s parents or grandparents were planning for inclusion in the family update section of their next Christmas letter.
elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:02 pmMr. Feets – If it’s gay it must be OK? Is there a homosexuality exclusion to statutory rape?
Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 9:49 pm
— In left-wing looney land, there is.
Icy (5f60a3) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:02 pmIt does make more some awkward family meetings,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:06 pmelissa #90:
Can you explain this statement and what you think needs to be done?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:19 pm“I could nor reach Whoopie for verification but I don’t think with 15 year old lesbians it’s rape-rape.”
elissa – Media misreporting of ages has been rampant in the case, but I’m pretty sure a 18/14 dildo party, which is what prompted the complaint to the police falls under the statutory rape rape definition even if true love is involved no matter the sexual orientation of the parties.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:37 pmLOL This can’t possibly work, because it misses the proximate causes.
But conservatism is bound up in the ideology that somehow the magic words on the Constitution were what made it a great nation. Poppycock.
Former Conservative (c61f07) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:41 pm“If they didn’t know something was up then, well, the republicans are dumber than dirt.”
mg – Why do you think Republicans demanded the investigation and why do you think they hand IRS officials testify multiple times if they did not believe anything was going on?
Your logic forms a perfect circle.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:41 pmSeriously, if reducation is the grand plan, you’re screwed.
No offense intended.
Former Conservative (c61f07) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:44 pm“Exactly, Romney had no trouble practically pinning a Sandinista bandana on Newt”
narciso – I forget, was that before or after Newt decided to denounce capitalism?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:45 pmelissa,
I like the idea of trying to show people the benefits of small government. I also think we’re in the mess we’re in because our education system is too liberal and unfocused, so our children learn how to feel instead of how to think. Thus, even though I don’t think you meant “education” in that sense, I believe education is important.
But if by “one last united and concerted effort to re-educate the populace about freedom and try to tip the balance back toward much smaller government” you mean Republicans addressing current issues forcefully and in unison — I agree that’s good. Can it happen?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:55 pmoh. I thought I was just doing my 2 centses
yes yes yes DRJ the Kaitlin (sp?) Hunt story troubles me
not immensely
it doesn’t “immensely trouble me” … I want to be very clear on this point
HOWEVER
I just
I think it’s remarkable we’re talking about taking away this young lady’s very freedom
and to what end?
if we throw kaitlin (sp?) in jail – the florida state pen to be specific – will it send a message to all the other 18 year old lesbians to for reals not make sexings with the precocious 14 year old lesbians in their schools cause of
decorum?
Jesus?
fascism?
America?
Freedom?
states’ right’s?
baby you a song you make me wanna roll my winders down and cruise?
We can’t let the terrorists win?
family values?
We should nail this down.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/25/2013 @ 11:08 pmdaleyrocks – The republicans last spring should have berated the IRS. But no they spend the time ramming mittens and little joe down are throats.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 12:17 amWill republicans ever come out with like talking points when situations arise. No. We watch the dems take control of the narrative every time.
With people like dole, bush, bush, and mittens the future looks bleak.
Mr. mg you might should click
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=49381
me personally as a picachu what loves liberty i hate republicans more than not-beans
and you can’t even say boehnerfag here i don’t think (not out loud anyways)
not outloud per se, shall we say
but please to persevere in your line of thinkings
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/26/2013 @ 1:27 amWhen she was a high school freshman, , my now-72 year-old mother, um, “dated” this senior (who happened to drive a Corvette, albeit his dad’s).
She ended up marrying him 5 years later when she became pregnant with me.
Just sayin…
My Sharia Moor (7ede7d) — 5/26/2013 @ 3:21 amGreat read, thanks happyfeet.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 3:53 amThe rinos on this blog are full of stale air just like the ones they worship in d.c.
Happyfeet, You would enjoy my smoked spareribs topped with homemade bourbon glaze on this memorial sunday. And tonight The Renowned Mr. Brown goes on the smoker.{boston butt pork shoulder} 12 glorious hours of smoke at 225 F. and then I have a pork orgasm.
“if we throw kaitlin (sp?) in jail – the florida state pen to be specific – will it send a message to all the other 18 year old lesbians to for reals not make sexings with the precocious 14 year old lesbians in their schools cause of”
equality
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 5:32 am“daleyrocks – The republicans last spring should have berated the IRS.”
mg – Great thinking. I’m sure that would have gotten the IRS bureaucrats to admit their lies.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 5:34 amHey, if you think the statutory rape law is wrong, then either change the law or STFU and allow it to be enforced.
Icy (5f60a3) — 5/26/2013 @ 5:56 am“if we throw kaitlin (sp?) in jail – the florida state pen to be specific – will it send a message to all the other 18 year old lesbians to for reals not make sexings with the precocious 14 year old lesbians in their schools cause of”
libertarian is not libertine
nk (875f57) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:26 amThe way I see it daleyrocks the rino club has been the problem. They know much more than they share. So over time I have given up on republicans. I want them to verbally abuse these sinister creeps in office. I am concerned with putting a smile on my face, and when people such as Cruz b- slapping the drooling juan mcclod on the senate floor, that gets me to laugh out loud. So You can play nice, talk smart and lose, big time. If I know I am going to lose I am going to lose with a b-slapping and a smile on my face.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:34 amTurtles all the way down;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/the_medias_yellow_submarine.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:40 amIn my limited experience, i have heard of at least 3 incidents (verified with names, dates, places) in different locations where seminars for law enforcement or military have included “evangelical Christians” such as the Family Research Council on the list of hate groups that need to be watched.
A military chaplain has said there is still a “don’t ask don’t tell” policy in the armed forces, just that now it applies to people who disagree with the normalization of homosexuality.
Why would secular libs (I’ll include Obama) be more tolerant of jihadists than Christians?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:47 amTo me the thing that makes direct sense is adherence to the philosophy of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”- at least until the shared enemy is eliminated.
Christians need to accept the idea of persecution, it was promised.
But those who think it’s a good thing that intolerant Christians are getting their comeupance may want to think again.
Of course there are and always will be people who call themselves Christian and don’t act like it (at least where there is no persecution) and those who call themselves Christian who don’t always successfully live up to their convictions,
but, if you compare the teachings of what is aspired to, the individual gay person will always have a better friend in a person who is a Christian.
There were certainly many people who professed being Christian who did nothing to help the Jews in WWII, but there were also many, many Christians who were faithful to their convictions and risked (or lost) their lives.
King rino, christie is all in for agenda 21.Calling all rinos- all aboard.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:53 amWe’re where our relationship to our government is “Please, daddy, don’t hurt me again”, and all the debate is childish denial. We need to leave the house and get jobs.
nk (875f57) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:57 amIn the province of Eurabia;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330809/Lee-Rigby-death-11-people-UK-arrested-making-racist-anti-religious-comments-online-British-soldiers-death.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 7:48 amAnd he doesn’t dissapoint;
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20130526,0,1884244.column
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 7:54 amif you’re ever in Chico, Ca., do visit teh Sierra Nevada Brewery restaurant. teh Missus and I attended our nephew’s graduation from Chico State – degrees in philosophy and psychology (good luck with that) – and we celebrated at the Brewery’s special Saturday afternoon buffet brunch. Great food, excellent beers… I even had one.
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:19 amNewt’s a fruit.
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:19 amNewt’s a
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:20 amfruitcartoon character, though he’s very smaht.Fall-like Conditions Frustrate Beleaguered Business Owners…
‘I am cursing Mother Nature’…
gaia goes gaga
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:23 amno not like that strange woman
more like a first wife
With people like dole, bush, bush, and mittens the future looks bleak.
That’s because just about all people fall for the notion that liberal instincts imbue one with beautiful, compassionate, endearing qualities. That liberalism is “mommy,” while conservatism is “daddy”—or that which is straightlaced, dull and non-humorous. So based on the stereotypical situation, even people who respect and admire father (or “papa”), nonetheless find their eyes lighting up and a smile forming on their face (and in their heart) when they see mother (or “mama”) walk through the front door.
That’s my theory why liberals and liberalism often get more benefit of the doubt from a larger portion of the public, no matter how foolish such a reaction is. It’s also why I believe liberals/liberalism naturally inculcate a greater array of socio-economic corruption.
Speaking of ideological schizophrenia, here is a good example of another political “Sybil” within the Republican Party:
BTW, conservatives who are spendthrifts about the defense budget are not much better in my eyes than spendthrifts in general. While providing for national defense is a basic role of the federal government, I don’t mind seeing the bloat of the military — whose contractors have helped make the Washington DC area an economic nirvana over the past several years — reduced in size.
Mark (aa8ab9) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:26 amBynes goes bong bonkers
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:27 amOUCH! ‘He slapped my vagina’…
slap yo mammy down
Britain to target radical Muslim preachers after soldier’s killing… up dole as “Kaffir Tribute” to jihad…
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:28 ammarch on MONSANTO
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:32 ambut cubfans loved RONSANTO
now there was third baseman
If I know I am going to lose I am going to lose with a b-slapping and a smile on my face.
Comment by mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:34 am
I confess this was the major appeal of Newt Gingrich. I thought he’d land a few blows and make a better case…on the way down.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:34 am“The way I see it daleyrocks the rino club has been the problem”
mg – That’s very nice for you, but your unproven assumption is that everybody is happy with Republican presidential nominees or Senators unless they expend useless energy disparaging them or vapid Monday Morning Quarterbacking without offering any suggestions on how they could have done things differently. That’s just noise.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:42 amWell daley, we’ve had two consecutive candidacies,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:46 amwho asked ‘may I have another’ when facing a ruthless foe, so next time let’s go down fighting.
teh lezbo caged heat
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:46 amKaitlin mos def on teh Hunt
carpet munch mayhem!
Hayden Panettiere will play her in the lifetime film.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:49 amFor those so convinced that Newt would have been a disaster, how is our current incumbent, Teh Pres’ent One, working out for you ?
Me – I prefer to look at track record, seldom a guarantee, yet often a good indicator …
So we had Senator Obama – who stayed in the “Present” …
Newt brought in some remarkably valuable parts of the “Contract with America” … take a look at HR-1 in the 1995-1996 Congress …
Perfect ? Nope …
Better than former Senator Obama ? In spades, you should pardon the phrasing !
Alasdair (9e914e) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:53 ampredator crone strike
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:56 amwhen Hillary met Kaitlin
Fall/Spring mentoring
Here is my suggestion, daleyrocks.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:58 amMarch to d.c. and shut er down.
At a strategic/tactical gaming convention this weekend …
A fellow competitor starts saying how much good will happen from the “High Speed Rail to Nowhere” – between Bakersfield and Fresno … discussion ensues as to possible value it can have … he lists how we have to start somewhere … others say LA to Vegas makes more sense, starting in either place …
So I ask him “How about I sell you just the back seat to a new car for you to drive to work, since that’s all you can afford in the foreseeable future ? Is that a good way to spend all your bus money ? Is that ‘a good start’ ?”
He is much less in favour of the “High Speed Rail to Nowhere”, now …
We gotta plant the seeds of rational thought, wherever we get the chance …
Alasdair (9e914e) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:01 amEpic.
My Sharia Moor (7ede7d) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:04 amTwo syllables short of a haiku, darn it, but something fourteen-year old lesbians need to know. NSFW.
nk (875f57) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:08 am“March to d.c. and shut er down.”
mg – Million geezer March!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:09 am==“March to d.c. and shut er down.”==
Um, then what? What’s the plan, Stan?
elissa (e81cc6) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:12 am“who asked ‘may I have another’ when facing a ruthless foe”
narciso – I believe it was the candidates who chose to run and then the people who decided who had the best chance of winning among them. Who do you think it was? Aliens?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:15 amHow about “The Rino Round Up”.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:15 amelissa … stop playing with the agent provocateur larva … it just gives him more energy …
(grin)
Alasdair (9e914e) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:15 am==“March to d.c. and shut er down.”==
Sort of like the ending to Animal House.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:18 amJames Madison wept:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbc-host-compares-gitmo-inmates-american-slaves_729188.html
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:41 amHow about “The Rino Round Up”.
Look up the definition of “squish” in the dictionary, and you’ll see a picture of David Gergen. Regarding the first few minutes of his response to Bob Schieffer’s question, I don’t know if even an outright toady of the Obama administration could have his tongue more firmly planted into Barry’s rear crevice.
Mark (aa8ab9) — 5/26/2013 @ 9:59 amWell I’ve dubbed him ‘audio sominex’ because he. . .
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 10:07 amwhat were we talking about.
David Gergen was squish before being squish was cool.
Icy (5f60a3) — 5/26/2013 @ 10:15 amelissa – it will never happen, so I’ll sit back and manage the decline.
mg (31009b) — 5/26/2013 @ 10:29 amComment by narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 7:48 am
When an appropriate response is deferred, and deferred, and deferred, eventually a frustrated over-the-top is to be expected.
Doesn’t make it acceptable, but the blame needs to get spread around a bit.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/26/2013 @ 10:48 amwould you trust this man with your child or grandchild?
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQExV3rmx7Epnk4IvqzlKY-yzh4JDUqqK4cgHvIbfZuGvwS7fVx
Colonel Haiku (87be68) — 5/26/2013 @ 11:49 amIs this statement by former NPR CEO Stern True?
E.PWJ (6140f6) — 5/26/2013 @ 1:55 pmAlasdair, which convention are you at? Tempe?
SPQR (768505) — 5/26/2013 @ 1:59 pmThe prosecution of Kaitlyn Hunt is ridiculous.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 5/26/2013 @ 2:04 pmIf we were to prosecute every high school senior who happens to turn 18 before graduation for the crime of having sex with his or her underage high school girlfriend or boyfriend, we’d have to transform every high school into a prison.
“The prosecution of Kaitlyn Hunt is ridiculous.”
ES – Then change the law so that jailbait lesbo toilet stall sex between seniors and freshmen is not illegal.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 2:17 pmDaley
I thought the kid is an 8th grader. Also Hunts turning 19. My original impression backin December when they expelled her was she was at some interschool event and took advantage of a 13 year OLD THE AGE DIFFERENCE IS REALCLOSE IF NOT OVER JUST OVER THE 4 YEAR Romeo and Juliet – but I’m trying to find out if that’s true.
Wow what a difference a week would make..
E.PWJ (6140f6) — 5/26/2013 @ 2:46 pmThey were on the high school basketball team together.
By next week, people will be saying “they thought” she was dating a nine year old.
Good grief, let’s leave Juliet & Juliet alone.
The Orlando metroplex has a lot of problems that surely must take precedence over a high school romance between teammates on the girls basketball team.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 5/26/2013 @ 3:14 pmProsecutors bungled the Casey Anthony case, and prosecutors are going to sabotage George Zimmerman, but by golly, they’re gonna really let that high school cheerleader have it !
Also EPWJ, the reason people pound on you for your facts, is that you often get them wrong.
Kaitlyn Hunt was not expelled in “December,” as you claim to recall.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 5/26/2013 @ 3:22 pmShe was actually arrested and expelled in February.
She was suspended in December Is what I remember, then she was later expelled and the girl was not a team mate.
The process is when you are charged you are them expelled.
I was following this a while ago – the kid goes to my nieces kids school.
the “facts” everyone is accepting smells like talking points to get “reasonable” people to be outraged. I would look further and deeper – I saw one article linking a hulking rapist football player in Georgia that everyone cried – but when the facts came out this wasn’t his first.
Okay she’s cute – if she had a ring in her nose and a face tattoo – this wouldn’t be an issue
E.PWJ (6140f6) — 5/26/2013 @ 3:44 pm“Good grief, let’s leave Juliet & Juliet alone.”
ES – Your exaggerated comment about making high school a prison might have some validity if it bore some semblance to reality, but since it doesn’t, you lose points.
How young is too young to be f_ckable by an 18 year old in your mind?
This is the Principal speaking, all Seniors and all Freshman girls report immediately to the Boom Boom Room!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/26/2013 @ 5:49 pm@mc Hey, they are marching to D.C. There’s 2 vets (1 is 65 yrs. old Vietnam vet) who are walking across America carrying the U.S. flag in “Support the U.S. Constitution”.
http://www.WalkDaddyWalk.us
Cool!! They have my support & the old man is brave to walk the highways of America carrying the American flag, but he’s out there once again defending our freedoms. I support he all the way from San Diego to D.C.!
OhioRiver (a070d9) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:16 pmDaley, we’ve bred this into our society. Obama thinks it’s perfectly fine for a 15 year old to have sex and then go to the CVS or WALGREENS for the “morning after” pill. There are so so so so so many red flags that go up immediately, both LOGICALLY, and MORALLY. But this is LIBERALISM. Can a 14 year old girl have sex with a 10 year old girl???
Gus (694db4) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:16 pmWe are fighting against ILLOGIC.
There’s also the small matter of the 14 yo staying overnight with the older girl when the former’s parents woke up to find her gone and thought she had been kidnapped. What kind of supervision was going on at the older girl’s house?
Gazzer (0efe8c) — 5/26/2013 @ 6:56 pm“Can a 14 year old girl have sex with a 10 year old girl???”
Gus – If it’s OK for an 18 year old girl to have sex with a 14 year old girl, what’s wrong with a 30 year old woman or man having sex with a 14 year old girl? I’m just looking for clarity here.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 12:22 amhttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/26/al-qaeda-rehab-includes-spa-treatments-family-fun-time-in-saudi-arabia/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 7:07 amI didn’t know he was into standup;
http://www.thepiratescove.us/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 7:34 amAnd to complicate things, some people want to let youth use the bathroom and changing facilities of their preferred gender identity.
In one way I think it is simply the extension of people wanting the freedom to do what they d*** well please themselves, so they want to let others want to do whatever they please as well.
But most of growing up is learning one can’t get away with doing what you please. Even Mick Jagger knew that as a wild young rock and roller.
Society would be better off if everyone was at least as mature and self-controlled as Mick Jagger.
That was meant to be sort of funny, but it is also sad and scary.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/27/2013 @ 8:44 amI’m just looking for clarity here.
I’m looking for my old Remington 1100.
nk (875f57) — 5/27/2013 @ 9:05 amI’m not commenting on this story because (as with most hot button agenda topic news stories lately) there appears to be significant wrong or massaged or manufactured information being circulated to benefit or detract from people’s points of view. There also may be some genuine nut cases and some darkness involved which does not help to get at the truth or the law. This is not to say I fault others here for opining and conjecturing. It is an interesting look at our society in so many respects.
The other mccain has a bunch of threads on this story for those who are trying to follow “free Kate” closely. I’ll link to only his most recent post, but there are several others on the site as well which add to the depth knowledge from his investigation.
http://theothermccain.com/2013/05/27/the-story-too-good-to-be-true/
elissa (83e4b8) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:06 amI guess I should have been much more clear I’m referring to the Kaitlyn sex story just above@207, not the guitars.
elissa (83e4b8) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:11 am“The other mccain has a bunch of threads on this story for those who are trying to follow “free Kate” closely”
What is it that is so interesting about this story to that grown-ass man?
nickc (221431) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:15 amc’mon nikkiC
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:18 amkaitlin down on teh muffin
when yer hot yer hot
It was a rhetorical question. When dude is boldface quoting high school kids saying “she was known as a whore” the game is up. If it wasn’t long before.
nickc (221431) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:25 amonly to counterbalance teh canonization of teh little rug munch…
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:31 am#freewhiskerbiscuit… #freeKate… #freeKate’s whiskerbiscuit…
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:33 amPerhaps I strayed from my own advice-
I don’t think the sexual behavior of specific young people, or often even older people, is a very good topic for internet discussion. Even if everything is true in any given case, who wants such aspects of one’s life made public?
People are probably generally rational in their behavior, but the rationality may only make sense when unknown information is included, or the details of an “atypical perspective” that makes the behavior look rational.
Even if there are mitigating circumstances/issues involved in a specific case that “help undemonize” somebody, I’m not sure the person is benefitted by public disclosure.
That is not to say I think behaviors are to be allowed just because certain factors may help explain them. (But I do think appropriate punishment/consequences need to take such issues into account).
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:33 am30 days of cleaning carpets and 1 year of SUPERVISED probation…
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:34 am“only to counterbalance teh canonization of teh little rug munch…”
Another grown-ass man we don’t have to wonder about?
nickc (9c83e8) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:39 amnickc–investigative journalists interview people and search available data. That’s what they do. That’s how they get facts and how they add to or verify/disprove info that is already out there on a subject. Investigative journalism is becoming a lost art but there are still a few of them out there. McCain is one of them.
Here’s how Joan McCarter from dailykos reacted when she learned the truth about the girls’ ages. She retracted part of her previous story and pulled her petition of support for Kaitlyn off the site.
http://theothermccain.com/2013/05/25/freekate-lies-rejected-by-daily-kos-staffer-and-other-new-developments/
Now, I’m off to the rescheduled barbeque to honor some vets that was rained out on Saturday and will probably have to be moved inside today for the same cold wet reason.
elissa (83e4b8) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:49 amShowing the IRS some love after witch hunt
The probe into the supposed ‘targeting’ of conservative groups overlooks the fact that the tax agency does a good job despite its meager resources.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20130526,0,1884244.column
… or …
Showing OJ Simpson some love after witch hunt
The probe into the alleged ‘murdering’ of two people overlooks the fact that he was a heck of a football player and a decent actor to boot.
SaveFarris (9d9a63) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:04 amYup. Just investigating a teenage romance. Then again, this the dude that came up with apologia for Emmit Till’s lynching. Gawking slut-shaming homophobia is pretty light fare in comparison.
nickc (221431) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:04 amYou know it’s just like that local story, like Zimmerman or Gosnell, no wider issue;
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:08 am“30 days of cleaning carpets and 1 year of SUPERVISED probation…”
Colonel – No underaged Red Snapper on the menu for 180 days.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:15 am“What is it that is so interesting about this story to that grown-ass man?”
nickc – It is a real mystery unless you actually read what he writes.
Say, who else is following the story?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:18 am“Yup. Just investigating a teenage romance.”
nickc – Yup. Toilet stalls were so overflowing with romance in my high school you couldn’t even take a dump. Stick with that story kid.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:25 amdarling nikkiC seems to have trouble comprehending what laws against statutory rape apply to.
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:31 amhelp nikkiC understand… is it against the law for an 18 year old boy to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Yes, it is.
Is it against the law for an 18 year old girl to have sex with a 14 year old boy?
Yes, it is.
Is it against the law for an 18 year old girl to have sex with a 14 year old girl?
Yes, it is.
Colonel Haiku (d4b44f) — 5/27/2013 @ 11:51 am“Love in a wa-ter clo-set,
Icy (a9c020) — 5/27/2013 @ 12:30 pmLivin’ it up while she’s goin’ down!”
float on
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 12:39 pmAnother foreign policy ‘coup’ for our Peace Prize Winner in Chief:
Icy (a9c020) — 5/27/2013 @ 12:40 pmOpposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi and Islamic leaders expressed dismay Monday over plans by authorities in western Myanmar to revive a two-child limit on Muslim Rohingya families, a policy that does not apply to Buddhists and comes amid accusations of ethnic cleansing. Some Buddhists, however, welcomed the plan for addressing their fear of a Muslim population explosion.
And, of course, in the case of some Muslims ‘population explosion’ is a literal term.
Icy (a9c020) — 5/27/2013 @ 12:44 pmLet me briefly summarize something-
So, this 18 yo female has “sexual contact” with a 14 yo female in a girl’s bathroom at school. The story gets put out (I guess by the older girl’s parents?) that a bigoted homophobe family is making a scene over a girl-girl affair, trying to overlook the fact that a/the major issue is the 18/14 year age difference.
Someone makes a comment here about how terrible the persecution is of this young lady by the anti-gay homophobe haters, going along with the popularized narrative, overlooking the aspect of the age difference
until it is pointed out that maybe the issue isn’t anti-gay bigotry as much as it is about an 18 year old taking advantage of a 14 year old
before going back to guitars and whether sheriff arpaio is going to get arrested by the feds and what Constitutional crisis may ensue, may I make the following comments that we ALL can hopefull agree with
– 14 year olds are off-limits for sexually explicit touching by anyone
– if the “anyone” is 18, and maybe even 17 or 16, major legal consequences are reasonable
– people making a public display for their own benefit that takes advantage of the plight of anyone under 21 should be condemned, especially if it is their child, young people, including 18, 19, 20 yo’s, should not be made cause celebre at their expense for the sake of “the cause”, whatever “the cause” is
– the older person in an underage relationship should be sentenced to community service, or work and child support, until the younger person turns 18- if adolescents want to act like adults by being sexually active, they can act like adults by at least an approximation of having the responsibility of providing for a family.
Too much emphasis on “rights” without taking time to point out they are tied to responsibilities.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/27/2013 @ 2:22 pmhi, my name is nikkiC… I’m a
Colonel Haiku (0d4fec) — 5/27/2013 @ 2:38 pmSagitariFeces and I like cherries, puppies, and long walks on teh beach… float, float on…Leviticus @7, “they” are targeting people who look Swedish. Blonde swedish girls have to dye their hair black to avoid assault. The Swedish government accuses MPs who complain about the reality of the situation of racism. The courts are dismissing the charges but the expense makes it more than a nuisance. So “they” are going after the Swedes, rest assured.
Steve57 (0b8a2b) — 5/27/2013 @ 3:16 pm“Leviticus @7, “they” are targeting people who look Swedish”
Steve57 – You mean the unidentified rioters?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/27/2013 @ 4:19 pmOh Well
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/27/exclusive-john-mccain-slips-across-border-into-syria-meets-with-rebels.html
E.PWJ (1cedce) — 5/27/2013 @ 5:22 pmObama is going to tour the Jersey shore — again — with Chris Christie tomorrow.
Icy (4b226c) — 5/27/2013 @ 6:50 pmhttp://us4palin.com/ak-gov-parnell-signs-sb-21-repeal-war-begins/
Too damn funny conservatives 4 Palin quote democrat lawmakers who want to reinstate Gov Palins WORLD RECORD OIL TAXES
Which were finally repealed, her landmark legislation repealed by conservatives
E.PWJ (1cedce) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:08 pm13. Comment by elissa (ba628d) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:12 am
I wonder how many practicing lawyers have already been “subtly” intimidated against taking jobs to represent certain clients if the government and/or any aspect of the current administration’s policies would be involved as the defendant.
I wonder if some have been intimidated from time to time into not doing a good job.
Like Jonathan Pollard’s lawyer, who could have, but didn’t, appeal the sentence, which was in violation of the plea bargain, and apparently didn’t even tell him he could.
He stopped being paid by the Israeli government and that apparently ended his duty to the client in his mind. Except it doesn’t.
Appealing the sentenmce miught hjave seriously impacted his ability to do deals in otehr cases.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/28/2013 @ 10:03 am41. Too bad the rino party was asleep at the wheel.”
Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:07 pm
mg – What is this asleep at the wheel BS? If you bothered to watch the oversight hearings you would have seen Rep. Issa interrogating TIGTA George over their correspondence during the summer of 2012 when Issa demanded updates on the audit. TIGTA George outright lied to Issa as did senior management at the IRS about the practices going on.
Please explain with your vast store of knowledge and experience how Congress was actually asleep at the wheel
I think he mean Romney and the RNC were asleep at the wheel. I guess Ryan too.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/28/2013 @ 10:05 amBoth the unidentified rioters and the government that refuses to identify the rioters are targeting Swedes, whom they both agree are the problem with Sweden.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 5/28/2013 @ 10:37 amHey, since it’s an open thread, did anyone else besides me notice that Obama in his “strategy” speech announced he was capitulating on one of the main demands of the jihadists who threatened the Cairo embassy last September? The day of the assault on the Benghazi diplomatic facility.
The Obama administration lied of course and said the Cairo violence was due to a video. But of course the jihadists who were issuing press statements and giving interviews to the media said the violence was over the jihadist detainees in the US. In particular the Blind Sheikh and those at GITMO. And now in his “strategy” he announces again he wants to close GITMO. Coincidence? Hardly.
Some commentators are saying Obama has a tin ear, announcing he wants to wind down the war on terror even while jihadists are blowing up the Boston Marathon, beheading British soldiers on the streets of London, taking power in North Africa and possibly Syria, and building the bomb in Iran. He doesn’t have a tin ear; apparently he’s got a time line he’s sticking to regardless of events.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 5/28/2013 @ 10:46 amDid anyone miss a chance to collect a few hundred dollars from this? (payment protector with Chase)
http://kardonicksettlement.com/
It doesn’t seem to be related to how much anyone was charged.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/28/2013 @ 2:33 pmOp-ed article by Ethan Chorin on page A25 of the Tuesday, May 14, 2013 New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/opinion/the-deeper-blame-for-benghazi.html?pagewanted=all
(Ethan Chorim was a Foreign Service Officer in Libya from 2004 to 2006 and wrote a book called “Exit the Colonel: The Hidden History of the Libyan Revolution.”)
« From the outside, it seems almost inexplicable that Mr. Stevens was in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, in the midst of increasing attacks on foreign targets. Some of his colleagues in Tripoli say it was just bad
timing, that Mr. Stevens felt this was the only time period available for an essential trip, and that every day in Libya was dangerous. »
Op-ed article by Ethan Chorin on page A25 of the Tuesday, May 14, 2013 New York Times.
Chorin adds that that doesn’t explain why the compound was lightly guarded, and why they were relying on Libyan militia and why extra
security resources were sent back to the United States shortly before the attack.
Interesting to me, this fits in with the possibility that Stevens was maneuvered into being there that day. I feel that somebody who wanted to kill him knew the entire security plan, including the firetrap “safe room.”
Chorin also wrote this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/opinion/what-libya-lost-when-ambassador-stevens-died.html?pagewanted=all
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/28/2013 @ 2:41 pmDavid Brooks column, same day, same page:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/opinion/brooks-the-next-scapegoat.html?_r=0
« We know now, thanks to reporting by Eric Schmitt, Helene Cooper and Michael Schmidt in The Times, that Benghazi was primarily a CIA operation.
Furthermore, intelligence officers underestimated how dangerous the situation was. They erred in vetting the Libyan militia that was supposed to provide security.
The next day, [Victoria] Nuland held a background press briefing, a transcript of which is available on the State Department’s web site.
She had two main points. There’s a lot we don’t know. The attack was conducted by Libyan extremists. She made no claim that it was set off
by an anti-Muslim video or arose spontaneously from demonstrations. »
Op-ed column by David Brooks on page A25 of the Tuesday, May 14, 2013 New York Times.
We had a lot of leaks blaming Victoria Nuland for editing teh talking points. She didn’t even initially undersdtand what they were for! She thought it was possible testimony.
It was Tommy Vietor and Benjamin Rhodes who were saying the facts that everyone thought were true -that this was pre-planned – was wrong and they needed to get teh word out.
Now I do not beleive that they could have pulled that off on their own, nor if they could have that nobody would have leaked about it.
Victoria Nuland’s briefing:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/09/197694.htm
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/28/2013 @ 2:41 pmHe was the proprietor of the hospital, that Stevens visited;
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 4:10 pmOn a lighter note;
http://twitchy.com/2013/05/28/zing-iowahawk-brit-hume-tweet-breaking-eric-holder-news/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 4:35 pmComment by narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 4:35 pm
Yes, that was funny. Thanks.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/28/2013 @ 5:15 pmA fine sense of the absurd is required, MD, that’s why the Princess Bride, Python and Animal House are the proper texts
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 5:18 pmThat tweet was just the beginning.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/28/2013 @ 5:27 pmRight now Holder is contemplating not only doing said action, but trying to find a way it protects him from future prosecution as well.
Of course, he could also try to represent himself in defense and then claim inadequate counsel.
I think most of us would grant him that one.
What is zero, for a hundred Alex:
http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/iac-seeking-buyers-for-newsweek-exclusive-1200488681/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 5:47 pm