Immigration Bill Now Public
We simply must give people living in the shadows a path to voting Democat, er, to citizenship. Ed Morrissey quotes Fox News giving the alleged broad outlines:
In total, the bill creates a minimum 13-year path to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, costing them each $2,000 in fines plus additional taxes. Applicants would have to meet other criteria as well in order to qualify.
It’s unclear whether the border security “triggers” will be enough to satisfy skeptical lawmakers. Conservatives say border security improvements should be verified before illegal immigrants can seek citizenship. Illegal immigrant advocates say their pathway should not be held up by that process.
Regardless, the plan dedicates billions to security efforts, including $3 billion to providing more border agents, customs agents and surveillance systems along the border; and $1.5 billion to building up border fencing.
From what I could tell from Marco Rubio’s defense of the bill, the “triggers” essentially mean that if border security targets are not reached, that will “trigger” a group of people to gather periodically in a room, knit their eyebrows together in a concerned fashion, and take a Good Hard Look at the Problem. Meanwhile, nothing about the pathway to voting Dem — dammit, I keep doing that! — to citizenship will be slowed down at all.
But maybe I’m wrong about that. We have broad outlines, but what does the bill actually and really do?
Silly! We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.
Smells like a sellout!
Velcro (fcc231) — 4/17/2013 @ 7:47 amBy whom, Velcro?
elissa (a4a051) — 4/17/2013 @ 7:51 amproviding more border agents, customs agent
Roobs says hey slopping the piggy piggy union whores is just part of the cost of doing business.
I say oh. I didn’t know that. Thank you for informing me about that Mr. Roobs.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 4/17/2013 @ 7:52 amThis bill, if passed will end Rubio’s career or the GOP. One or the other.
Mike K (87eb3a) — 4/17/2013 @ 7:52 amAnd then the scary Commission will issue a sternly worded letter! Shudder. That’ll stop them.
I agree, Mike K. Marco, I thought we knew you.
Patricia (be0117) — 4/17/2013 @ 8:04 amI hope Rubio is doing this because it’s what he really believes and/or it’s what most of his Florida constituents want. That, to me, would be defensible … even though I think it will hurt him with GOP primary voters. I hope he’s not doing it to further his own career, but that’s what it feels like.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 4/17/2013 @ 8:42 amRubio admits that Undocumented Democrats will be able to apply for provisional legal status within six months of the passage of the bill, something not linked to border security of fixing the employment verification or visa exit/entry system.
What happens to all these people granted provisional legal status if the targets for fixing the border, employment verification and visa system are never met?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/17/2013 @ 8:50 amThis won’t help rubio with this Florida voter. He’s toast as far as I am concerned. He better hope for the “si” voters.
Jim (ba6a58) — 4/17/2013 @ 9:28 amRubes and republicans will get slaughtered next election.
mg (31009b) — 4/17/2013 @ 9:39 amIt’s become nauseating to listen to the gop progressive drivel.
Rand Paul is looking good to me now. At least he’s original and independent.
And the harm he might do by “cutting” government and foreign aid would be far outweighed by the horrific governing of all the rest of both parties.
Patricia (be0117) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:05 amAny reform that doesn’t fix the incentives to violate the law should be dropped in the can and the sponsors unceasingly mocked. That is, amend the 14th to require legal residence status for parents of new born children to have citizenship.
Also, not having actually seen Rubio in action before I was a bit surprised at how amateurish he came across during Paul’s filibuster. He didn’t seem particularly articulate or well versed in history and current events.
malcom digest (e6b817) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:06 amAmericans do not trust legalize first, fix the broken systems later solutions to illegal immigration and legal immigration and that is what Rubio and the Gang of Eight are selling.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/17/2013 @ 10:56 amComing out of the shadows to enter upon the path to citizenship…..
1st question to be asked in the process:
Do you intend to become a citizen of the United States of America?
Anything less than an enthusiastic, unequivocal YES!, put them on the bus, take them to the airport, and fly them to their country of origin – IMMEDIATELY!
Well, that takes care of about “6-million” of our “11-million” undocumented immigrants.
No, you don’t get to stay and work in Estados Unidos unless you mean it – there are millions of others waiting to get in that WANT to be Americans.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 4/17/2013 @ 4:05 pm“We simply must give people living in the shadows a path to voting Democat, er, to citizenship.”
How much of an issue is this for people? If it would be an electoral wash, would this change anyone’s mind? What if it was a plus for GOP votes?
dave (092110) — 4/17/2013 @ 5:12 pmDave, you obviously don’t understand at all how seriously most conservatives view the privilege and obligations of U.S. citizenship. If you did you would not even have posted that question.
elissa (a4a051) — 4/17/2013 @ 5:19 pm“Dave, you obviously don’t understand at all how seriously most conservatives view the privilege and obligations of U.S. citizenship.”
Someday I’d like to hear more about the conservative view of the “obligations of citizenship” but why is the electoral impact even an issue?
dave (092110) — 4/17/2013 @ 5:41 pmYeah Dave, you da one bringing up the “electoral impact”, not me, bro.
elissa (a4a051) — 4/17/2013 @ 5:49 pm“Yeah Dave, you da one bringing up the “electoral impact”, not me, bro.”
I was quoting the first sentence in the post….
dave (092110) — 4/17/2013 @ 6:16 pm“Most laws are meant to stop people from doing something, and to penalize those who disregard those laws. More generally, laws are meant to protect the society from the law breakers.
But our immigration laws are different. Here the whole focus is on the “plight” of those who have broken the laws, and on what can be done to lift the stigma and ease the pressures they feel, so that they can “come out of the shadows” and “normalize” their lives.”
Thomas Sowell on Immigration Sophistry
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/04/17/immigration-sophistry
RTWT
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 4/17/2013 @ 8:18 pm“Dave”s act never gets tired, does it?!
JD (b63a52) — 4/17/2013 @ 8:35 pm