Obama Connection to Rev. Wright Goes Back to 1987
Nothing surprising here, really, but it’s stuff we should have known the first time around:
Letters signed by Barack Obama 25 years ago and obtained by The Daily Caller, show the future president approaching Chicago’s then-mayor Harold Washington in 1987 about a community organizing project whose advisory board would include his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright; the controversial leftist Catholic priest Father Michael Pfleger; and the brother of Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.
When Obama later ran for president, he sought to distance himself from Rev. Wright, although the letters obtained by TheDC indicate a working relationship between the two men on a political level when the future president was just 26 years old.
They hint at a young Obama, before he entered Harvard Law School, growing in stature as a power broker among Chicago’s radical left and building an early example of a coalition that would grow in political power across the city.
None of this matters as much as the economy or tonight’s debate, and it won’t move the sainted Undecided Voter. It still seems worth noting, if only to note the facts we never fully learned in 2008.
Billy Ayers? But I thought he was “just some guy” in his neighborhood?
You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to suggest that Obama lies or something……
© Sponge (9fff1f) — 10/16/2012 @ 7:41 amObama and Wright could have been co-joined twins and the media would have covered it up. Obama could have made a habit of raping nuns and selling smack to school children and the media would have covered it up. The media have, from the very first, flattered Obama in a way and to a degree that would have embarrassed a courtier to a Medici Pope or a Mandarin in the Forbidden City.
Somebody should attach a turbine generator to the corpse of H. L. Mencken. We need the electricity.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/16/2012 @ 7:44 amAnd why is this news?
The Emperor (b82749) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:28 amMistakenly left in another thread:
Barack and Mitt, as I knew them
Young Obama attended a national training session that my colleagues and I conducted in Los Angeles in 1986. Besides being one of the main trainers, I had three extensive one-on-one meetings with him. He was bright and engaging, with a quiet, sober personality that drew people to him. I remarked that he seemed wise beyond his years — a young man with an older man’s soul.
I encouraged him to try out with one of our organizations, but he was committed to returning to Chicago, where we were not active at that time, and said he saw himself becoming a civil rights lawyer or a judge down the road.
In those roles, he felt that his passion to right injustices and to address the deeper causes of poverty could best be put to use.
– Sept 28, 2012 New York Daily News op-ed piece by Arnie Graf (co-Director of the IAF, (Saul Alinsky’s school of organizing)
Ignore that about becoming a lawyer and later a judge. The point is, he didn’t want to leave Chicago, even for what was an apparently better opportunity. He had plans, and they depended upon being in Chicago.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:35 amArnie Graf: http://caspertk.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/learning-from-arnie-graf/
You should only ever take an action in order to get a certain reaction. Otherwise all you’re doing is activity. In the most successful cases, the other side’s reaction does the organising for you by demonstrating precisely what you’re organising against. Your words and actions might not persuade people of your views – but the way that your opposition reacts to it can. For example, when Martin Luther King Jr choose to march in Salem, Alabama – it was a conscious choice to go there rather than Mississippi, Georgia or Virginia. The local Sheriff was known for his extreme racism and use of violence. King expected the Sheriff to over-react, as he went on to do.
By the way the same sort of thing got the revolt in Syria started.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:38 amComment by The Emperor — 10/16/2012 @ 8:28 am
And why is this news?
A lot of people might not realize how far back they went.
Obama said – maybe this is in his first book – that as he did his organizing (really political) work, people asked him what is home church, and that’s why he picked a church – that of Jeremiah Wright.
This was all before he went to law school.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:40 amI don’t know if Barack Obama had met Michelle Robinson by 1986.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:41 amShorter Lovey: “Move on.”
Icy (172dc7) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:45 amThe Emperor, why was an alleged incident of hazing when Mitt Romney was a teenager news?
SPQR (768505) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:46 amThey went on their first date in 1989, Sammy.
Icy (172dc7) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:49 amI believe the larger issue is the economy and jobs. Going back to dig up old ghosts of dead conspiracy theories does the GOP more ill than good. Comments like the one made by Tommy Thompson’s son that Obama should be sent out of the white house and |”back to Kenya” only serve to put the Obama campaign on the advantage. Stick to the issues folks. I know you guys never liked Obama and openly wished him failure and swore he would be a one-term president, just don’t make it too obvious.
The Emperor (b82749) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:49 amI know you guys never liked Obama and openly wished him failure and swore he would be a one-term president …
You know, Emperor, I got tired of the insinuation from Democrats that “wishing” Obama failure was somehow thought crime. Don’t start sounding like you are P.T. attempting to criminalize dissent.
SPQR (768505) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:52 am“You know, Emperor, I got tired of the insinuation from Democrats that “wishing” Obama failure was somehow thought crime.”
It’s not an insinuation, it’s a fact.
And the implications/consequences are that you’re wishing for America to fail.
You can dissent all you want jackass. That’s not what you’re doing most of the time, though.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:57 amP.T., I know what to do about blackshirts like you. Molon labe, fascist. Molon labe.
SPQR (768505) — 10/16/2012 @ 8:58 am“You know, Emperor, I got tired of the insinuation from Democrats that “wishing” Obama failure was somehow thought crime.”
It’s not an insinuation, it’s a fact
Illman is letting its inner fascist out to play again.
JD (43ce10) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:01 amI think that a certain troll is pretty worried, which is why he is posting more and getting irritable.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:03 amGreetings:
Today’s Question: What’s Black and White and Red all over ???
11B40 (7631c5) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:04 amShorter Petey – Our rage against and hatred of George Bush was legitimate. Your dislike of Obama’s policies and administration is not.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:05 amTrolls? Seriously kindly enlighten us as to why you remain blind to all of choom’s failures and shortcomings? Don’t you ever feel used wearing your kneepads half the
Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:11 amIt’s stuff that through circumstance and conspicuous “buffing” some of us DID know the first time. This is just a little weapon against denial of what was obvious to any penetrating look then. I just shake my head at stories like this now.
I still don’t know how his friends managed to make looking into his background a kind of kookery, especially considering the wild trade in Palin scuttlebutt.
SarahW (b0e533) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:16 amGreetings:
Today’s Question: What’s Black and White and Red all over ???
Comment by 11B40 — 10/16/2012 @ 9:04 am
— President Embarrassment
Icy (172dc7) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:16 am@SPQR.. there is a difference between dissent and hatred. The GOP never gave Obama the chance once. From the beginning you all wished him failure. I know that during the early Bush years this type of antagonistic feeling was not that much. Yes people have a right to air their rejection of a policy or method of governance but a clear line should be drawn between that and pure blooded partisan hatred. It smacks off as racism to some people. If Romney is doing well in the polls it is because Americans think more of him and not less of Obama. Stay on the issues.
The Emperor (1b0db9) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:20 amThe Future of the Republic and the Prosperity of the American People Depend on the Rejection of Barack Obama and the Democrat Party at the Polls this November.
In which happy case, All the Corrupt Leftist Enablers in the Democrat Media Complex will Simultaneously Commit Suicide, and the Oceans will Cease to Rise and the Earth will Begin to Heal.
ropelight (ae008d) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:23 am“Illman is letting its inner fascist out to play again.”
The psychopath speaks again…can’t help himself from referring to people as “IT”…Jeffrey Dahmer 2.0.
Sick. Wingnut. Same thing.
[last chance. Anything else like this and into moderation you will go. Your bile can then be released whenever someone gets around to it.]
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:25 amSo how multifoliate is this black rose of falsehood?
The Black Muslim preacher in a nominally UCC Church takes this presentable Marxist gay peacock bastard who masquerades alternately as a Kenyan or an Indonesian under his wing. Gets Saudi financing of his Harvard legal education then mates him to a shrew finished in the home of Jesse Jackson. His mentor is an antiAmerican terrorist academic who escorts him into radical society.
Amerikkka, were you ever hoodwinked, jobbed as it were.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:26 am” ‘It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again'”
JD = Buffalo Bill.
Your new name.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:26 amChimperor – No matter how many times you accuse us of hatred, and insinuate racism, it simply is not so. We don’t like his policies, positions, and now, actions, or lack thereof.
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:27 am“Our rage against and hatred of George Bush was legitimate. Your dislike of Obama’s policies and administration is not.”
Got it backwards nitwit. Bush’s policies bankrupted America at home and abroad, morally and financially.
You don’t even understand Obama’s policies nor do you care to. You hated him from Day 1, even before he did a single thing. You blame him for BUSH’S failures.
You “HATE”, not dislike.
What disingenuous asshats you are.
[last chance. See above]
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:28 am“No matter how many times you accuse us of hatred, and insinuate racism, it simply is not so. We don’t like his policies, positions, and now, actions, or lack thereof.”
Like I said before, your every word reveals this to be an utter fabrication.
No accusations are necessary, the behavior is self evident Buffalo Bill.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:30 am22. “I know that during the early Bush years this type of antagonistic feeling was not that much.”
Chimpy McHitlerburton, we never knew thee.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:31 am[last chance. Anything else like this and into moderation you will go. Your bile can then be released whenever someone gets around to it.]
This would be perfect in a thread where I’m being accused of “Fascism” and “censorship”…GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:32 amIt expressed a desire to criminalize dissenting thoughts and then whines about being called on it?
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:35 am“The GOP never gave Obama the chance once.”
Lovey and Petey – I don’t think it was conservatives throwing eggs at George Bush’s limousine on his inauguration day. Morons.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:35 am28. Christopher J. Scarver, your country has need of you once again.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:37 amDr. Lies Rises Again:
SPQR:“You know, Emperor, I got tired of the insinuation from Democrats that “wishing” Obama failure was somehow thought crime.”
Tillman: It’s not an insinuation, it’s a fact.
— It’s a “fact” that wishing for Obama to fail in enacting his proposals is a “crime,” Kommandant? Gee, I wonder if I can still collect the bounty on your head for wishing Bush failure on Social Security reform.
And the implications/consequences are that you’re wishing for America to fail.
— Actually, in order to wish for America to fail one must wish for Obama to succeed. Ironic.
You can dissent all you want jackass. That’s not what you’re doing most of the time, though.
Icy (172dc7) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:38 am— Yeah, SPQR! Remember, most of the time you’re committing TREASON!!!11!!
JD, you folks hated him and wished him failure BEFORE he had any policies out worthy of attack. Stop pretending it’s just about his policies. You wouldn’t even give him credit for any accomplishments he may have recorded. You want to say he does not deserve credit for taking out OBL but at the same time blame him for the attacks on the Libyan embassy. When the recent new job numbers came out your people were quick to jump and say these numbers were “doctored”. Really? Face it, you just don’t like the guy and his failure is to your advantage.
The Emperor (1d32a4) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:40 amLovie/Chimperor – no matter how many times you claim it, I don’t hate him.
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:41 amThe new job numbers did not include the Cali unemployment stats. Coincidence, I am sure.
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:42 amBush Derangement Syndrome, I remember it well.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:42 am“JD, you folks hated him and wished him failure BEFORE he had any policies out worthy of attack.”
Lovey – Wake up! He campaigned on policies worthy of attack. Plus he was not even qualified for the job and has proven that by his miserable track record in office.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:46 amThe Emperor, of course I hated Obama. He was a lying empty suit whose basic ideology opposed everything I believe in. Why would I not? As for “giving him a chance”, that is stupid, meaningless BS.
As for wishing him failure, of course I wished him to fail at the changes to America that I opposed. Frankly, he failed because he is a talentless ideologue ignorant of how the US works. He will be a one-term President because of his lack of the skills to do the job, not my “wishes”.
And to be honest, The Emperor, Obama truly was less competent than I guessed.
SPQR (2cadae) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:50 amI am gonna say this one more time, I liked Bush. I supported him and thought of him as a strong president. My only problem with him was Iraq. And this I believe is the feeling of many who eventually became anti-Bush. It was about his policies, not his “birthplace” or “patriotism”. And it is a fact that most of the policies he pursued contributed to the bad economy Obama inherited.
The Emperor (1d32a4) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:52 am32. “the GOP never gave him a chance”
Au contraire, they even gave Present-elect his GM buyout under TARP during the lame-duck session.
Yes Rushbo “I hope he fails” came Jan. 16 2009. But the GOP hates Rush, is embarrassed by his very existence.
Mr. “Elections have consequences”, had both Houses of Legislature, they didn’t even include the GOP in deliberations.
If you think we never loved him and were counting the days from the start, Ok. But that is just water over the bridge. The jug-eared fool is history’s thalidomide baby now.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:54 amSPQR, well said. I hate him too, he’s a hateful demagogue, and an unpatriotic dirty rotten commie rat.
ropelight (ae008d) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:56 am@SPQR, in all honesty, is America worse off now than it was when Obama took office? Are things the same way it was 4 years ago?
The Emperor (1d32a4) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:56 amThe Emperor, it is utterly false that Bush’s economic policies created the recession. Flaming, brazen lying false. The financial crisis arose from policies pursued bipartisan in DC for many years.
SPQR (2cadae) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:56 amLovie/Chimperor – is just playing SQUIRREL
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:59 amThe Emperor, yes America is worse off than four years ago. Obama’s policies have stifled economic recovery and destroyed wealth permanently. Many people will never recover from the years he killed. I talk to such people every week.
SPQR (2cadae) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:59 amBtw, I love the open honesty of SPQR and ropelight. It is high time you folks come out of the closet and express your hatred for this first black president. Laudable.
The Emperor (1d32a4) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:00 am44. Unquestionably worse. We lost Eastern Europe as an ally, the special relationship with Britain, targetting info given away to the Russkies, commitment against Iranian nuclear proliferation, $1.5 Trillion in MBS purchases, $1.4 Trillion in fiscal budgetary deficit all in the first 100 days.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:03 amChimperor/lovie – was a full throated Lightbringer supporter, basking in the reflected glory of Teh Won.
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:03 amF you, the Emperor. I don’t hate him for his color, you race-baiting SOB. F you.
SPQR (2cadae) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:03 am“the GOP never gave him a chance”
Obama never deserved a chance. He was, from day one, a fraud perpetrated on the American Voters by the Democrat party and the mainstream media. That he won the Democrat nomination is a scandal that should galvanize every registered Democrat to try to wrest their party from the radical academic looneytoons that created Obama.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:03 am@SPQR, in that same way we can blame the slow economic growth on bipartisan policies pursued by both the Dems and the GOP. So Bush and Obama get to walk scot-free. Nice.
The Emperor (1d32a4) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:04 am48. We all hate eviscerated colons, we wouldn’t be human for the lack.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:05 amWhat chance did you give Palin? Or Bush?
Of course. When his announced program is to ruin America, what else could we wish him?
You lie. Do you think we don’t remember? This started with Bush before he even took office, and it never once let up.
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:05 am“Yes Rushbo “I hope he fails” came Jan. 16 2009.”
Lovey – I did not want to see Obama fundamentally transform America as was promised during his campaign. If I did not feel he was qualified to serve one term, why would I want him to serve two terms. Those who actually bothered to vet Obama in 2008 have had their low expectations met or exceeded on the low side.
Your straw men are worse than Obama’s.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:05 amTeh Won had 2 years of single party control to implement all of your leftist fantasies and wishes, lovie.
JD (318f81) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:05 am“It is high time you folks come out of the closet and express your hatred for this first black president.”
Lovey – Way to go dirtbag, race comes into play because you have nothing else. I just look at him as another crappy Democrat president like Jimmy Carter. Was Carter black? Does not liking Carter’s policies make me racist? Why does not liking Obama’s policies make me racist? You were an idiot when you first appeared here and remain an idiot.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:15 am“It is high time you folks come out of the closet and express your hatred for this first black president.”
Lovey – Way to go dirtbag, race comes into play because you have nothing else. I just look at him as another crappy Democrat president like Jimmy Carter. Was Carter black? Does not liking Carter’s policies make me racist? Why does not liking Obama’s policies make me racist? You were an idiot when you first appeared here and remain an idiot.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:16 amObama ain’t the only President I hate, I hated LBJ and Bill Clinton too. Also, I was mad as hell at Jimmy Carter but I didn’t hate him, same with Hillary while she was in the WH, but I hate her now.
I also hate Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Cynthia McKinney, Katherine Sebelius, Susan Rice, and most of the Democrats from Maryland and lots of others in Congress. I hate Alan Colmes, Chris Matthews, Bill Moyers, Soledad O’Brian, and that butch skank on MSNBC. And lots and lots more too.
ropelight (ae008d) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:18 amWhen all else fails — as it inevitably does — Love plays the race card. Someone predicting the sun to rise in the east would be wrong more often.
Icy (172dc7) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:19 amWhen over many election cycles the American electorate is almost always evenly divided between those who are–or lean leftish, and those who are–or lean rightish, that should be a clear and obvious indication that in our country legitimate and historic political/economic differences (both in philosophy and policy) exist that must be recognized.
But gee, our trolls can’t seem to come up with a single reason many people commenting here would prefer Romney over a Liberal politician other that we must just “hate” poor Barack Obama.
elissa (6574bb) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:22 am“It is high time you folks come out of the closet and express your hatred for this first black president.”
Lovey – Are you seriously suggesting that Obama deserves some special dispensation or evaluation process as president for his poorly thought out policies and crappy performance because he is black? Really?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:31 amReally? When was that? Before he began his campaign? That’s just not true. As I recall conservatives rather liked him until early 2008, because we didn’t know the truth about him. He seemed like a moderate, and we had no idea about his affiliation with the New Party, Ayers, Wright, Pfelger, Khalidi, Davis, Rezko, and all the rest. We only turned against him when we found out what policies he has, and what his plans for America were.
What would those be? Off the top of my head, the only good thing he’s done has been his space policy, and indeed we do give him credit for that. Oh, and for breaking his promise to close Guantanamo and surrender to the Jihadists.
That’s right. Where’s the inconsistency? He deserves no more credit for bin Laden’s death than Nixon got for the moon landing; and the Benghazi terrorist attack is entirely the fault of his administration, which for political reasons refused to protect the consulate properly, and then tried to cover up its failure by making up a taradiddle about that stupid video. (And sent brownshirted policemen at midnight to arrest the video maker, in flagrant violation of the first amendment. He’s still in jail, BTW.)
That’s because they obviously were. It takes a fool or a liar to deny it.
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:32 amWTF? What on earth are you talking about, gary gulrud? Limbaugh was exactly right, his words were measured and precise, and exactly appropriate. And who exactly in the GOP is embarrassed by him?
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:35 amAbsolutely. The constitution was healthier, the Jihadists were on the back foot, the regulatory burden was lower, and the economic “recovery” for which 0bama has taken so much credit had already started.
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:39 am65. How’s about the Heritage Foundation among his bestest advertisers. GOP enough for you?
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:41 amFor the record, until the Wright thing came out I was seriously contemplating voting for 0bama, should McCain win the GOP nomination.
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:45 amUm, how does this help you?
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:46 amAnd the implications/consequences are that you’re wishing for America to fail.
Comment by P. Tillman — 10/16/2012 @ 8:57 am
As daley and others suggested, we did not want America to fail, we actually did not want Obama as a person to fail, if one wants to make a distinction. We wanted him to fail to bring about his policies which we thought would be bad for the country, policies like wanting the rich to pay more taxes, “just to make it fair” even if it meant that federal revenue would go down and hurt the people the left supposedly wants to help, policies consistent with someone who usually voted “present” in the state senate unless it had to do with infanticide, policies consistent with someone who won his first office by back-stabbing a veteran of the civil rights movement in Chicago then won the US Senate by getting his opponent’s confidential divorce proceedings opened to the public, policies consistent with someone who was a long time associate of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.
Unfortunately has has succeeded in some of his policies, he has lowered the average take home pay, hence making things more equal and “fair”, increased the number of people dependent on the fed govt because of a poor economy, and has reduced the US presence in world affairs, leaving things more to the influence of terrorist groups, the Russians, and the Chinese.
I would vote for my neighbor who is African-American and a construction worker any day over Obama. Skin color is not the issue, whether you are willing to believe it or not.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/16/2012 @ 10:57 amLove it when you guys go on the defensive, trying to prove how unracist you are. Proving my point. And no I don’t believe you guys are racists. When you follow the path of questioning Obama’s patiotism and Americanism you find yourselves suddenly on the defensive. Advantage Obama. But if you stay on the issues: the economy, jobs you gain traction. Romney is not doing well because of conspiracy theories and birther arguments, he is winning because he betters Obama on the above stated issues; jobs and the economy.
The Emperor (03864d) — 10/16/2012 @ 11:10 amSo, lovestain declares that defending yourself is RACIST!
Media Mutters (721840) — 10/16/2012 @ 11:21 amRush explicitly stated why he wanted zippy to fail. I don’t recall race being among the reasons, but RACIST!
Love it when you guys go on the defensive, trying to prove how unracist you are. Proving my point.
Refuting a BS claim of racism is proof of racism.
I love how lovie is injecting race and birther and American exceptionalism into the discussion and then whines about those issues, when it is the only one talking about them.
JD (43ce10) — 10/16/2012 @ 11:34 am“Romney is not doing well because of conspiracy theories and birther arguments”
Lovey – Only progressive have advanced the above arguments to explain Romney’s performance.
Do you need a fire extinguisher for your straw men?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 11:34 amNominating Obama – for that matter, even discussing him for nomination – was racist. He had no qualifications whatsoever other than the color of his skin, and many factors would have disqualified him if he were not black.
I don’t hate Obama. Like many lefties who grew up in the ideological bubble that is the Radical Left, he had no way of knowing how completely divorced from reality his ideas were. Hell, he may still not.
The people I purely despise are the White Western Intellectuals and the conniving political operatives who surrounded Obama with bushwa and whitewashed his past and his politics. THEY knew what they were doing. May they rot.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/16/2012 @ 11:57 amComment by C. S. P. Schofield — 10/16/2012 @ 10:03 am
That he won the Democrat nomination is a scandal that should galvanize every registered Democrat to try to wrest their party from the radical academic looneytoons that created Obama
I tend to think the Clintons created him, as a sparring partner doomed to lose, but who in the meantime would sweep away all the other opposition.
He was one of the better choices that year among the Democrats. The only better one was Biden.
Maybe that’s not saying too much.
But..Chris Dodd? John Edwards? Bill Richardson?
The problem is the field.
Hillary Clinton – there should at least be a minimal amount of honesty. Obama is sort of trying, on some issues. Obama became the vehicle to stop Hillary.
I also think that Obama has made a better president than either Dukakis or Gore would have been.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 12:18 pmI tend to think the Clintons created him, as a sparring partner doomed to lose, but who in the meantime would sweep away all the other opposition.
I tend to think you live on a different planet than the rest of us.
JD (43ce10) — 10/16/2012 @ 12:25 pmWas anybody here unaware Obama and Wright were tight for 20 years, he married the Obamas and baptized the girls?
All this is saying is that the digging is still going on but there isn’t anything coming up, which is something of a vindication of Obama.
I love when Bill Ayers is brought up because it spotlights a glaring hypocrisy with the right and Obama together. Ayers’ crimes were all absolved because of Nixon’s illegal surveillance. Nixon was impeached and disgraced, so Ayers won, even though his tactics were illegal and he should have done time.
So we made a new law to prevent the White House from illegally spying, called FISA, so that Nixon’s criminal disgrace never repeats itself.
Then, along comes Bush/Cheney and they break the law, wiretapping without warrants. They are caught and exposed, but given a criminal pass because the country is suddenly accepting of a surveillance state, cowering in fear or terror plots.
Bush is run out on a rail, however, toxic to his own party and in comes the new Obama administration, after running on a promise to “clean up the mess”.
Then, in a stunner, Obama caves on any prosecution of the former administration, gives them a pass on WMD lies (which is treason), torture, vote fraud – and wiretapping. Obama, it turns out is a neo-Nixonian himself, further weakening FISA laws and turning the NSA into a giant data-collection project that craps all over the Constitution.
Today, Bill Ayers, who spent the last few decades fighting for social justice in public education has shut his pie hole, seeing Obama become worse than Nixon, making legal everything tricky Dick was doing illegally to spy on his political enemies. Why doesn’t Ayers protest what Obama is doing? So I guess it’s all okay as long as it’s a former associate doing it….
Mahalia Cab (659d4a) — 10/16/2012 @ 12:32 pmMahalia is not even remotely the conservative she once claimed to be.
JD (43ce10) — 10/16/2012 @ 12:38 pm“Ayers’ crimes were all absolved because of Nixon’s illegal surveillance.”
Mahalia Cab – Who absolved Bill Ayers of his crimes?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 12:44 pmFWIW, I’m not defending myself, I have no need to. I am simply stating some of the wealth of reasons that were available, had anyone bothered to look, that Obama should never have even been a serious candidate in the primaries, let alone get elected president.
I love when Bill Ayers is brought up because it spotlights a glaring hypocrisy with the right and Obama together. Ayers’ crimes were all absolved because of Nixon’s illegal surveillance. Nixon was impeached and disgraced, so Ayers won, even though his tactics were illegal and he should have done time.
Ayers post 2000, long after Nixon was dead, stated that he did not regret his Weatherman activities and wished he had done more. He never expressed any remorse for being involved in plots to blow up buildings and kill people. He has said nothing that would suggest he would not do the same today if he thought it would work. Since Alinsky and Co. decided direct violence was not the way, they’ve been on stealth mode.
Obama, it turns out is a neo-Nixonian himself, further weakening FISA laws and turning the NSA into a giant data-collection project that craps all over the Constitution.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:17 pmWell, at least there is a little bit of reason there.
Comment by daleyrocks — 10/16/2012 @ 12:44 pm
– Who absolved Bill Ayers of his crime
I think U.S. District Judge Damon J. Keith, at the request of prosecutors.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/Watergate/Watergate%20Items%2003592%20to%2003824/Watergate%2003600.pdf
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/Watergate/Watergate%20Items%2004357%20to%2004655/Watergate%2004550.pdf
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20%20Files/Preparation/Prep%20413.pdf
The government decided to drop a major case against 15 Weathermen radicals rather than undergo a searching court hearing on how it obtained its evidence.
By Agis Salpulkis.
Special to the New York Times
Datelined, Detroit, Oct. 15 (1973) published Oct. 16, 1973 on the front page.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:22 pmBy that reasoning, Eichmann and others would have been just fine had the Nazis won and he was never put on trial.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:30 pmAll this shows that a lot more people purchased Dreams From My Father than have actually read it which I did in the spring of 2008. Obama makes it clear that he decided to get “churched” at the urging of the older women in the neighborhood he was attempting to organize. He visited several churches before decide that Rev Wright was the guy for him based on his social justice gospel focused on the white man as the root of all evil in the world. Obama does not hide it and it all occurred before he went to Harvard.
Mark (714e52) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:46 pmBy the way, I enjoyed reading the book although reading it made it clear his 2008 speech on Wright was a complete lie (though skillfully done in collaboration with the media).
There was nothing illegal or improper about it. Whatever his personal indiscretions, his actions to protect America from its internal enemies were always popular.
In what universe?
Who’s “we”? You mean the Democrat traitors, protecting their own more radical compatriots. If there is one American who can bear the blame for 11-Sep-2001 it’s Frank Church, who is surely burning in Hell.
Wrong.
Again, in what universe did this happen?
Or this?
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:49 pmNever happened
Only by a tortured definition
Never happened.
Milhouse (454b9e) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:51 pmYou know who came up with FISA, don’t you’ Sheriff
narciso (ee31f1) — 10/16/2012 @ 1:52 pmJoe Biden,
“The government decided to drop a major case against 15 Weathermen radicals rather than undergo a searching court hearing on how it obtained its evidence.”
Sammy – Dropping or declining to pursue a prosecution is a different matter than absolving someone of guilt for their crimes. The government may admit it would have difficulty prosecuting Ayers due to tainted evidence, but that does not make him innocent.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/16/2012 @ 2:18 pm88. I know. In fact Ayers said he was guilty as hell, and free as a bir,.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/16/2012 @ 2:44 pmThe government does not “absolve” anyone of anything. That’s a function of Catholic priests exercising their office.
SPQR (768505) — 10/16/2012 @ 2:47 pmThat documentary titled “2016; Obama’s America” really creeped me out. Scary shit that..
The Emperor (6f94ec) — 10/16/2012 @ 3:01 pmI can’t say I ever wanted Obama to fail. I just wanted him to change. Fat chance.
Wayne (7d63b6) — 10/16/2012 @ 3:10 pmSammy Finkelman,
Saying that Obama was the best of that field is a little like picking the best Shakespearian actor of the Three Stooges. That he was even in the running, much less nominated, is still a major scandal. The Democrat Party has, since the early 1970’s, been in the toils of a concatenation of radical-chic lefty twits and professional jobholders. Not that the Republicans are a whole lot better, but we’re talking about what’s wrong with the Democrats right now. The rank and file of the Democrats really need to start fighting to take their party back from the hacks, as the Tea Party people are fighting for the Republicans. The best thing that either party could do for American politics right now is have an actual nominating convention, with real votes, and an actual faction fight on the floor. The business of having everything settled before the conventions, lest the TV cameras actually see some dissension, isn’t good for the country … or for the parties.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/16/2012 @ 3:22 pmDidn’t have time to read the thread like I usually do, so apologies if I duplicate another’s post.
Really, I swear Obama never lies, UNLESS his lips are moving. I cannot believe what I just watched. A friend and I were texting during the debate and I was 30 minutes behind her… I got a lot of indignate texts. Hubby watching on a different TV because he simply is not the political HO I am, kept switching back to a UT game. Since he believes that all politicians are crooks but Rs are not quite as bad as Ds… His imput is less than useful. Big Red, my friend, repeatedly texted, I need an IV, the alcohol was not working fast enough to keep,her ears from bleeding. Hubby is a project manager that works a great deal with the oil and gas industry and Big Red works for a privately owned medium sized drilling company… So they both get it… Hubby, a non emotional guy about politics was hollering at the TV while Big Red was texting me her indignation! We all agreed there are not enough drugs in the world to get through another four years of the O.
On Libya, doesn’t anyone but me think that the Obama administration’s spiking of the football, repeatedly, over the killing of OBL might be more offensive to islamists than some video NO ONE ever heard of? Just saying!
TexasMom2012 (cee89f) — 10/16/2012 @ 9:15 pmJust reading this and the comments. It’s no wonder at all how Obama got elected and I sincerely hope and pray all you leftist wing-nuts get what you voted for. My only sorrow about that lies in the fact that I won’t have my beloved United States when the Obama is finished. So, on behalf of him and his ilk, I wish to welcome all of you the the USSA (The United Socialist States of America).
Chris (115a2c) — 11/10/2012 @ 2:31 pm