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10/14/2012

The Million Muppet March

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:51 am

Plans to save Big Bird, the fuzzy yellow character on U.S. public television’s “Sesame Street,” from possible extinction are taking shape in the form of a puppet-based protest next month dubbed the “Million Muppet March.”

The demonstration is planned for November 3 at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., three days before the general election.

Before the presidential debate between Democratic President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney had concluded on October 3, two men who had never met each floated the Million Muppet March idea on social media. They immediately united to defend public broadcasting.

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Mecham is a writer who is studying political science at Boise State University out of his interest in healthcare policy.

Bellavia is president of the animation studio Animax Entertainment, founded by former Second City actor Dave Thomas.

They may fall short of attracting a million people, or Muppets, to the event, but they do hope to create what Bellavia called a “lovefest” featuring skits and musical performances with Muppets.

“It does seem like we might get close to the biggest ever assemblage of puppets in one place,” he said, “and probably the most ever puppets marching on Washington.”

Sigh.

Hey, I like Sesame Street and Big Bird as much as the next guy. OK, not as much as these guys.

But there is a lazy and rather stupid assumption built into this Big Bird discussion: that Big Bird cannot exist without government money. Michael Medved begs to differ:

In fact, the mommy (or at least godmother) of those beloved characters has assured the world that talk of budget cuts at the Corporation for Public Broadcasting represent no threat at all to Big Bird, Elmo, and associates. Even before the latest flurry of concern raised by the Denver debate, Sherrie Westin, executive vice president and chief marketing officer of Sesame Workshop, told Soledad O’Brien of CNN: “Sesame Workshop receives very, very little funding from PBS. So we are able to raise our funding through philanthropic, through our licensed product, which goes back into the educational programming, through corporate underwriting and sponsorship. So, quite frankly, you can debate whether or not there should be funding of public broadcasting. But when they always try to trot out Big Bird, and say we’re going to kill Big Bird—that is actually misleading, because Sesame Street will be here … Big Bird lives on!”

. . . .

What Romney suggested in Denver simply repeated a point he’s been making for more than a year: that responsible White House leadership requires major cuts to inessential federal programs. The nominee has never equivocated on his pledge to review every significant government expenditure by posing an uncomfortable question: is this project so important that it’s worth borrowing more money from China in order to pay for it?

In the case of PBS, the answer ought to be an obvious no. Only a tiny proportion of the cost of operating the nation’s elaborate system of public broadcasting (with more than 350 independent stations across the country) comes from federal funding. The $445 million appropriated by Congress for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting in 2012 amounts to less than 18 percent of the estimated budget for the whole of America’s system of public TV and radio. In the case of the hugely popular Sesame Workshop, for instance, less than 8 percent of the yearly budget of $170 million comes from governmental sources, with the great bulk supplied by licensing agreements that produce toys and games and stuffed animals featuring all those beloved characters.

This is a larger metaphor for everything conservatives stand for — and for what we hope Mitt Romney will do in office. When Mitt Romney says he will “create” jobs, what he really means is that he will try to get government out of the way of private businesses and let them create jobs.

Want to know how to do that for real? Eliminate the minimum wage. Make it easy to fire people — weaken opportunities for people to sue over being fired. Slash regulations. Cut unemployment benefits.

How do you think Germany became a strong economy? They weren’t in 2002, you know. Then they implemented reforms along the lines I just discussed. And now, they’re the model economy in Europe.

Romney doesn’t have the guts to do all of these things. But he’ll do more than Obama would have.

Get government out of the way, and Big Bird will survive — and jobs will be created.

We don’t need government for this stuff. Really. It’s true.

Thanks to dana.

Comments (67)

67 Responses to “The Million Muppet March”

What cracks me up is that they actually think, optically, that this is a winning idea just 3 days before the election. Have at it, I say…
Gazzer (177360) — 10/14/2012 @ 1:37 am
Unless the real result sought is to grab attention for themselves, organizers might suggest the “one million” simply donate $100 each to the Bird.

For most folks, the travel expense alone has to exceed this amount plus they don’t have to lose a day off their calendar.

Heck, if they made it easy to participate, from home, one would think that several million additional Bird lovers could then participate with a $100 donation and the full federal subsidy could be made up in one day!

But then, I’m sure the organizers anticipate news cameras waiting on the Mall and … well …
Mike Morgan (9f1ada) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:26 am
Heck, if they made it easy to participate, from home, one would think that several million additional Bird lovers could then participate…

Perhaps if the PBS member stations got involved and did televised fundraisers. Think that’d work? Has it ever been tried?
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:42 am
I think you’re on to something, Steve57! But would the folks who watch PBS actually want to pay for it?
Mike Morgan (9f1ada) — 10/14/2012 @ 3:10 am
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“One secret to balancing the budget is to remember that all tax revenue is the result of holding a gun to somebody’s head. Not paying taxes is against the law. If you don’t pay your taxes, you’ll be fined. If you don’t pay the fine, you’ll be jailed. If you try to escape from jail, you”ll be shot. Thus I — in my role as citizen and voter — am going to shoot you — in your role as taxpayer and ripe suck — if you don;t pay your share of the national tab.

Therefore, every time the government spends money on anything, you have to ask yourself, ‘Would I kill my kindly, gray-haired mother for this?’ In the case of defense spending, the argument is simple: ‘Come on, Gramma, everybody’s in this together. If those Canadian hordes come down over the border, we’ll all be dead meat. Pony Up.’ In the case of helping cripples, orphans, and blind people, the argument is almost as persuasive: ‘Granny, I know you don’t know these people from Adam, but we’ve got five thousand years of Judeo-Christian-Muslim-Buddhist-Hindu-Confucian-animist-jungle-God morality going here. Fork over the dough.’

But Day care doesn’t fly: ‘You’re paying for the next-door neighbor’s baby-sitter, or it’s curtains for you, Lady.”

– P. J. O’Rourke, ‘Parliament of Whores’ –

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IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully In All 57 States (8e2a3d) — 10/14/2012 @ 5:05 am
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plus they don’t have to lose a day off their calendar

Ahh… you’re missing something here. I’ll use PJ in PoW again:

“How come,” I asked Andy, “Whenever something upsets the Left, you see immediate marches and parades and rallies with signs already printed and rhyming slogans already composed, whereas whenever something upsets the Right,you see two members of the Young Americans for Freedom waving a six-inch American flag?”

“We have jobs,” said Andy.

– P.J. O’Rourke, ‘Parliament of Whores’ –

In short, it’s not like they’re missing a day of work… and usually this is going to be some “charity” (i.e., ~~Fuck Off~~ sorry, “Move On”) organized BUS-in, so they won’t be paying transport expenses.
IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully In All 57 States (8e2a3d) — 10/14/2012 @ 5:09 am
In the rare event that a liberal actually pays their Federal income taxes, they cry themselves to sleep because they have to contribute to so many things they don’t like, such as: the detection, capture and punishment of criminals and terrorists; and the projection of American power abroad by the US Military.

Tossing and turning at night, they hug their tear-stained pillows and console themselves: Big Bird! At least I’m helping keep Sesame Street on the air!
Pious Agnostic (2c3220) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:06 am
What I’m waiting to see, is if all of the “Oscar the Grouch” characters, whose theme song is “I love trash”, will display their affection by leaving a mess like Occupy Sesame Street, or will they collect it all and leave the place pristine, like a Glenn Beck or Tea Party rally.

That is the major issue at hand with the Million Muppet March, let no one tell you there is anything more profound in play.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:09 am
Anyone here remember when they used to claim that an end to PBS funding would mean no more Masterpiece Theatre? Then along came cable and snapped up all those British shows people loved, and all the Libs have left to wring their hands over is that ridiculous chicken-on-steroids.

Of course the real reason they want PBS funded is the same reason they fly to the defense of the National Endowment for the Arts; they get a little thrill whenever they think of their propaganda being payed for by the lumpen proletariat (whom they despise).

The proper answer any time one of these gonifs starts wringing his hands over the fate of some Lefty program if funding is discontinued is “So what?”

“But if school vouchers are passed, it will mean the end of Public Education as we know it!”

“So what?”

“But if PBS loses its funding that would mean the end of Sesame Street!”

“So what?”

See?

Now you-all try some!
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:11 am
I heard a caller to a radio show complain about how Romney wanted to “end PBS”. Discussion that clarified that Romney wanted to do no such thing, he just wanted everyone to acknowledge that Bird was a Big Bird and could take care of himself without being funded by the Chinese. This point did not do much for the opinion of the caller.

A serious finding in regard to this is here:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/a-few-minutes-with-ron-bailey.php

In a brief discussion an experiment is described where giving people more information on a topic rarely changes their opinion, rather more information typically is taken as evidence to become more entrenched in their previously held view.

Observed evidence supporting the musings of Paul the Apostle and Paul (the) Simon that “people hear what they want to hear” [the Paul (the) Simon phrasing].
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:19 am
R.I.P. Gary Collins
Icy (2ed015) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:36 am
Big Bird is the only one of us not paying his fair share.
dfbaskwill (c021f2) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:26 am
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bluevr6/483109_286855264764128_978745066_n.jpg
Colonel Haiku (1973c0) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:31 am
It was pointed out somewhere this morning that the emotional reaction to PBS is a 1970s phenomenon. In the 70s, there were three networks and parents wanted their children to watch something other than commercial TV with all the sugar laden breakfast cereal sponsors.

That world is gone and has been for several decades. The cable TV that gives Democrats fits has also provided cartoon channels and other sources of children’s programming. Sesame Street is no longer the big issue it was except for lefties who want everything to be provided by government.

I don’t think the idea will work. Obama is reliving his youth.
Mike K (326cba) — 10/14/2012 @ 9:26 am
If our dog has anything to say about it, Sesame Street is a goner.
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 9:42 am
A Million Muppet March dovetails nicely with Obama’s Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood foreign policy.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/14/2012 @ 9:57 am
There is also a trademark issue, I think. Argued in full on my blog, where I suggest it be changed to the more accurate Million Puppet March.

Check for yourself: USPTO trademark page
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:15 am
R.I.P. Sen. Arlen Specter
Icy (2ed015) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:17 am
But there is a lazy and rather stupid assumption built into this Big Bird discussion: that Big Bird cannot exist without government money.

Speaking of laziness and rather stupid assumptions is the collective dismay of the modern parents who want to save Big Bird’s life because if they don’t, how on earth will their children and poor children ever learn their A,B,C’s, learn when to say please and thank you, or identify their colors without Sesame Street to park them in front of?

What’s frustrating, yet typical about the the Obama camp’s view of the subsidization of PBS, is that they are viewing (and voting) on issues like this emotionally rather than objectively with the bottom line being whether or not it’s an expenditure we really need and can afford. Emotionalism should not be the determining factor in these dire economic times. We’ve already seen the damage from such decisions in the last four years. So, while these young men sponsoring the Million Muppet March have a sentimental attachment to Sesame Street, etc., why should their affections determine where my money goes?
Dana (292dcf) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:17 am
We used to subscribe to Chicago’s Channel 11 (PBS), 91.5 (NPR), and 98.7 (classical). They offer a lot, their liberal bent aside. But then came swimming lessons, and piano, and horses, and karate, and babysitters, and Greek, and …. The only thing we held onto was one seat in the Lyric Opera.

Do I want Patterico, DRJ, or Aaron to pay for my cultural choices? No. Even in higher education, I see a point in the hard sciences, medicine, maybe even criminal justice, for the “we’re in this together” philosophy of public funding. But not for amusement. If you want to save Big Bird, send him your wine and cheese party money.
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:19 am
R.I.P. Sen. Arlen Specter

This is me doing the Snoopy dance.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:25 am
Decent article in the LA Times. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-mew-arlen-specter-obit-20121014,0,2996284.story
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:32 am
Dana,

“why should their affections determine where my money goes?”?

You don’t want them to FEEL BAD about themselves, do you?!?

For me, when asked (or having implied at me) this question, the answer is “Frankly, yes.”

But I’m a grouch. And not an Oscar kind of grouch, either.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:32 am
@ C.S.P.,

You don’t want them to FEEL BAD about themselves, do you?!?

While I understand the sarcasm of your point (and it’s well made), this is a huge part of the problem with fiscal decisions being based upon a prevailing emotion – it frankly, this isn’t about “them” – it’s about something far more important. The left habitually makes a serious issue of debate (auto bailout, stimulus package(s), etc) into an emotional story, complete with pictures and then plays it toward squishy touchy-feely types who vote with their hearts rather than with their minds and with concrete facts bearing up their decisions. This sounds harshly judgmental but it’s a difference that I’ve observed when speaking with friends about such issues. They often agree that we can no longer afford to subsidize or can not afford to take on such enormous debt, but they tend to consistently come back to a “But just think how sad it would be” or “It would hurt them…” or something like that.

People will get hurt, either directly or indirectly from decisions made at the top, but in order to minimize the overall hurt of the country at large, their are times when that competent and capable president sitting in the WH needs to be decisive and able to say No firmly and without hesitation because he/she sees the bigger picture and understands that the quick, deep hurt now in effect minimizes a much greater and long-lasting hurt later on.
Dana (292dcf) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:56 am
There doing a poopsuit check on Major Felix now… he’s gonna do it!
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 10:56 am
CNN Fail: Without any notice, CNN dropped the live feed just before he jumped. Apparently they refused to show it because it might fail. Eff you CNN.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:13 am
he’s doing great almost touching down now
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:16 am
That. Was. AWESOME!
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:17 am
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but they tend to consistently come back to a “But just think how sad it would be” or “It would hurt them…” or something like that.

That reminds me of the election in the UK not too long ago, when the former prime minister, Laborite Gordon Brown, ended up closing the gap with his competitor, the current prime minister David Cameron (a squishy enough Tory that he was swooning over Obama earlier this year). Although Brown did lose the election, the margin of his loss was smaller than polls originally predicted.

Apparently quite a few supposedly non-partisan people in Britain went into the voting booth, thought about all the perks promised by big government and the notion of do-gooderism, then flinched and grimaced — and felt their hearts go pitter-patter — and decided to stick with the garden-variety liberal versus the conservative (or, in actuality, squishy centrist).

I certainly hope we here in this country in the next few weeks will act more like a majority of the voters in the US election of 1980, or Reagan versus Carter. Or where polls indicated a tight race, with Carter even leading by a fairly large margin at the beginning, and at the very least gaining a bit of momentum towards the end, instead of what actually occurred. That being a blow-out win by the challenger, Ronald Reagan.
Mark (6d5e0d) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:39 am
Hey, do you suppose all those folks who got Master of Fine Arts degrees in Puppetry will go there and network? Maybe one or two of them can find jobs! The Master Puppetry Guild ought to hold their annual convention there.
JVW (f5695c) — 10/14/2012 @ 12:32 pm
This is a prime example of people in an echo chamber.
SPQR (1b5f6f) — 10/14/2012 @ 12:39 pm
It’s also interesting that the DC authorities managed to grant the parade permit October 5th, the same day the application was made. Bet you other people get a slower response.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 1:04 pm
Apparently, Sesame Workshop is a client of Bellavia’s.

*Sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animax_Entertainment
Patricia (e1d89d) — 10/14/2012 @ 1:09 pm
“It does seem like we might get close to the biggest ever assemblage of puppets in one place,” he said, “and probably the most ever puppets marching on Washington.”

About as apt of a decription of liberal supporters of Democratic policy as I have seen in some time.
Thresherman (b808d1) — 10/14/2012 @ 1:56 pm
Patricia @ 32,

No conflict of interest there, eh?
Dana (292dcf) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:15 pm
What’s the over/under on how quickly the whole thing goes Avenue Q?
Ken (ba52ab) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:44 pm
Combine the left’s love of puppets in a parade, and the financial interest Bellavia has in Sesame, and you get a big, big show of political puppet force in DC.

Just kidding.
Patricia (e1d89d) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:54 pm
and you get a big, big show of political puppet farce in DC.

FTFY
JD (43ce10) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:55 pm
I cannot imagine that either Sesame Street or Disney wants to pick a side in this election, never mind the bias of their employees. Watch for this event to be cancelled or at least renamed.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 3:16 pm
A good YouTube of the jump. There are lots and lots of bogus versions.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 3:17 pm
If Sesame Street is worth their claims, they won’t pick a side in this election, at least not overtly.

Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down,” the company said in a Tuesday statement.
Dana (292dcf) — 10/14/2012 @ 3:46 pm
Want to know how to do that for real?

Is this an extension of the Larry Elder Show?
Have you become an Elderadoan?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434) — 10/14/2012 @ 4:25 pm
Since they posted a video about how to make sock puppets, why not The Million Sock Puppets March? It’d be more symbolic that way, too. Fortunately, the litter afterwards should not be too bad. Attendance will be sparse.
tek (80c083) — 10/14/2012 @ 4:54 pm
Glenn Gleenwald is excited. Literally.
JD (43ce10) — 10/14/2012 @ 4:57 pm
I hope they have rape tents to protect Miss Piggy from the crazy leftists.
Dennis D (d91acc) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:46 pm
Eliminate the minimum wage

I just heard that the country of Germany doesn’t have a minimum wage at all. (and there’s lower unemployment, and wages are not low for most people)

This seems to be true:

http://www.economist.com/node/21536648

At its convention in Leipzig in mid-November the CDU is likely to back an economy-wide minimum wage.

Germany is one of the few European countries to lack a statutory minimum wage. Unions and employers negotiate wages sector by sector. In ten sectors agreed minimums apply to all.

Not the best system.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/15/2012 @ 7:50 am
How do you know, Sammy?
SPQR (768505) — 10/15/2012 @ 7:54 am
45. I just heard that the country of Germany doesn’t have a minimum wage at all. (and there’s lower unemployment, and wages are not low for most people)…

Not the best system.

Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 10/15/2012 @ 7:50 am

Course not, Sammy. The “best system” produces higher unemployment, with what little job growth that does occur being part time jobs at the statutory minimum wage, and high youth unemployment because the statutory minimum wage is so high that at that rate employers can’t afford to hire people people with no experience.

Like the system Obama has delivered unto us.
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/15/2012 @ 7:58 am
You could say don’t have a federal minimum wage and lower it in most states. It’s very hard to get refoirm in this thing, except what happens by people breaking the law.

You don’t want to drive down wages and there’s ot much risk.

But here’s what could be done:

1) Set a reasonably high default wage if workers are not paid timely, or there never was any agreement.

2) Set a different minimum wage if workers are paid less often. Say $7.25 (as now) if someone is paid weekly, and gets the salary some time after the end of the week, $10 an hour if paid once every two weeks, $15 an hour if paid once a month or less.

No minimum wage if paid in cash or debit card daily

Maybe $5 an hour or less if paid no later than when leaving work no later than 4 days after the earliest pay period covered. This could be after a 5 day week, but the pay would have to be delivered the last day.

This whole thing makes it easy for people to switch jobs.

We need some jobs with very high turnover.

You could also have a sub-minimum or no minimum limited to 3 workers per location. This would benefit small business – really small business.

That will prevent wages being pushed down in general, but make to wasy to hire.

Also – payrolls can be done by banks for a small fee.

Any work paid below the minimum wage does not count when calculating eligibility or the amount of government benefits or garnisheed in any way for any reason whatsoever unless it totals up to a lot.

There are other kinds of ideas, like a sub-minimum wage for teenagers, but they don’t really work.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:03 am
46. Comment by SPQR — 10/15/2012 @ 7:54 am

How do you know, Sammy?

Somebody mentioned it, and then I checked online. I mnean how would he knoiw? As I suspected, it wass in the news.

It seems to be that some labor agreements exist – where the agreement applies to anyone paying someone for the same kind of work – that govern wages in certain industries or areas. Now that’s ot the best system.

In teh United States there were many exceptions to the minimum wage until 1951. While that lasted there was no very high teenage unemplyment.

The threshold is too high. And everyone really know this.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:06 am
What Romney suggested in Denver simply repeated a point he’s been making for more than a year: that responsible White House leadership requires major cuts to inessential federal programs.

The problem is that this is not a major cut, and it wouldn’t endanger Big Bird or any other character in Sesame Street.

But Mitt Romney built that straw man.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:07 am
Romney claimed he was endangering Big Bird?

I think you’re wrong, Sammy.

I think Romney quite wisely knows that a large cut is made up of many small cuts.

There are thousands of cuts that on their own will not fix our deficit on their own, yet together will save this country.
Dustin (73fead) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:13 am
You don’t want to drive down wages and there’s ot much risk.

You don’t? Why not?
Rob Crawford (e6f27f) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:28 am
“Get government out of the way, and Big Bird will survive — and jobs will be created.’

A direct quote from the Wingnut Bible, the book of ideology that everything else is judged by.

And which has been proven to be a complete fantasy (just like the original one).

Good little puppet.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:43 am
“Get government out of the way, and Big Bird will survive

Ah, thanks. Proof that Romney does not intend to get rid of Bid Bird, a myth which is the cornerstone of the most pathetic reelection campaign in American history.

If the USA is saddled with Obama’s debt, skyrocketed from the Bush era which were already too high, then the things we cherish should not rely on Federal funding.

If you care about Big Bird that much, you should vote Romney so that it’s on stable private sector ground.
Dustin (73fead) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:50 am
53. Good little puppet.

Comment by P. Tillman — 10/15/2012 @ 8:43 am

All the good little puppets will be marching in the Million Muppet March, Tilly.
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/15/2012 @ 9:35 am
Comment by P. Tillman — 10/15/2012 @ 8:43 am
“Get government out of the way, and Big Bird will survive — and jobs will be created.’
A direct quote from the Wingnut Bible, the book of ideology that everything else is judged by.
— As you well know, the “Wingnut Bible” is The Constitution of the United States, and it anticipated neither Big Bird nor Lady Gaga; therefore, we beg your indulgence and patience, ’cause frankly we’re flying by the seat of our pants on this one.

And which has been proven to be a complete fantasy (just like the original one).
— Let us know when you finish your book which PROVES that The Bible is “a complete fantasy”. We’ll all buy it through Pat’s Amazon link.

Good little puppet.
— Pathetic little man.
Icy (183ba7) — 10/15/2012 @ 9:37 am
” As you well know, the “Wingnut Bible” is The Constitution of the United States”

BZZZT! It’s Atlas Shrugged, dimwit.

” Let us know when you finish your book which PROVES that The Bible is “a complete fantasy”.

Sure, I’ll go ahead and cite all the numerous research articles proving that:

1) “Virgin births” are impossible
2) Dead bodies cannot “rise” again.
3) Water cannot be turned into wine.
4) The earth is older than 6000 years.
5) Women are not inferior to men.

Want more?
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:14 am
Illman’s hate-filled rants are boring, tyresome, and unoriginal.
JD (318f81) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:18 am
Illman’s hate-filled rants are boring, tyresome, and unoriginal.

Ever observe a dog watching TV? They seem pretty bored and “tyred” as well.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:30 am
Illman comes across as one of those spittle-flecked paper mâché head wearing protestors.
JD (318f81) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:31 am
“Want to know how to do that for real? Eliminate the minimum wage. Make it easy to fire people — weaken opportunities for people to sue over being fired. Slash regulations. Cut unemployment benefits.”

Turning people into Corporate Slaves will benefit no one except the slave owners.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:44 am
From the same linked article that is supposed to be evidence to support the call for Corporate Slavery:

“What lessons can the US draw from Germany?

Unfortunately, not many. A lot of the regulations and benefits that the Hartz Commission curtailed simply don’t exist here.

We already have lots of low-paying temporary jobs, and our unemployment benefits are nowhere near as generous as Germany’s once were. The Hartz Reforms basically made Germany’s labor market look more like the labor market in the U.S.”

In other words, A MEANINGLESS EXAMPLE that does not support your argument.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:46 am
Your welcome for the Fact Checking, BTW.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:47 am
“In other words, A MEANINGLESS EXAMPLE that does not support your argument.”

Petey – No, you incredible moron, it explains why Germany is performing better than other European economies while the overhang of burdensome regulation from President Downgrade who wants to move the U.S. closer to a European welfare state model is still stifling our economic recovery.

No thanks required.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/15/2012 @ 10:58 am
” it explains why Germany is performing better than other European economies while the overhang of burdensome regulation from President Downgrade who wants to move the U.S. closer to a European welfare state model is still stifling our economic recovery.”

Yeah, sure it does nitwit. Whatever you say.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/15/2012 @ 11:22 am
The usual incompetent, dishonest trollery.
SPQR (768505) — 10/15/2012 @ 8:56 pm

10/14/2012

The Million Muppet March

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