Good stuff from Allahpundit. Every piece I would have wanted to see quoted, is quoted.
At the end of the linked post, there is a video in which Hillary that says nobody thought this would be an easy road. But then, we all know that few presidents have faced so many challenges as this one.
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And, again, reading this report from Britain on September 14, it is very hard to see how the administration was “mistaken” for another two weeks.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/14/2012 @ 12:53 amIf this, from the article you link to, is truly what the DoS thought then it’s not hard to see.
This represents a divorce from reality that’s unprecedented (the only thing that’s unprecedented about this attack, despite the fact that some DoS spokesmen are convinced “unprecedented” means “not since the Carter administration”).
We know from other reporting that he had driven through Benghazi in his armored car, his bodyguards trailing “discreetly” behind him, meeting friends either the day before the attack or the day of (the reporting wasn’t clear as to which day he trundled through Benghazi in his tank). That he entertained guests at the consulate the same night as the attack. And that he had at least one meeting scheduled with a surgeon visiting from Massachusetts along with the staff of the Benghazi Medical Center the next morning.
That sort of activity does not go unnoticed; it is anything but discreet. If they truly thought his visit to Benghazi was “confidential” at any point leaving the embassy en route Benghazi, then Bill Maher and I finally have something to agree on.
Obama really did take his million and blow it all on weed. And the folks at foggy bottom were hitting it.
John Bolton made a convincing case on Greta Van Susteren’s show last week that Obama was not really lying when he kept insisting the attack was just a mob hijacking a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video. He’s ideologically incapable of processing information that counters his convictions that he’s right all the time. He and his policies couldn’t possibly be at fault.
As an aside, Bolton said this is worse than a deliberate cover-up. At least if it was a deliberate lie that would mean Obama is capable of grasping reality.
He’s not the only one. There are many people at DoS who have convinced themselves that if they were doing things the way they’ve always wanted to do them then things would turn out well. Now the leftists are in charge, and they are doing things the way they always wanted to. They’ve convinced themselves things are turning out well do to the circular logic that they are in charge.
They can not be unconvinced easily. To admit they were wrong is to admit they are capable of being wrong. Their ideology does not permit this conclusion.
Only Bush and neocons are wrong.
So of course the details of Stevens’ visit were confidential. They convinced themselves of that.
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/14/2012 @ 2:14 amIndeed, considering everything wrong with the previous administration, right down to their choice of carpet and type of dog for a pet, it’s obvious The One had a hard ho to row…
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2012: The year we hope to change The One to The Last One.
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IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully In All 57 States (8e2a3d) — 10/14/2012 @ 5:26 amJohn Bolton made a convincing case on Greta Van Susteren’s show last week that Obama was not really lying when he kept insisting the attack was just a mob hijacking a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video. He’s ideologically incapable of processing information that counters his convictions that he’s right all the time…
As an aside, Bolton said this is worse than a deliberate cover-up. At least if it was a deliberate lie that would mean Obama is capable of grasping reality.
Interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:28 amR.I.P. Gary Collins
Icy (2ed015) — 10/14/2012 @ 6:37 amDenial ia a very long and deep river;
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/13/Democrats-Defend-Biden-and-Obama-Intelligence-Community-Didn-t-Know-It-Was-Terrorism
narciso (ee31f1) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:02 amSteve57, MD,
Pontius Pilate’s question? “What is Truth?”
The daughter and I have been discussing this. “Truth” is hard because we do not have perfect knowledge. “Lie” is easy — you know when you just make stuff up.
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:04 amBTW, Icy, I remember Gary Collins very well. He was a fine actor in good roles. I watched him at a time when I had little time for TV.
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:10 amBut I would suggest, nk, that Pilate’s quote is less an honest question seeking understanding than a cynical comment stating truth was what he thought convenient to believe in.
Pilate was a proud man accustomed to governing to get his way, whereas to seek truth begins with humility and a willingness to actually be taught and learn.
There is the issue as Bolton raises that one can be firm in believing something is true when it clearly is not by any objective criteria. I guess one can say that something is a “lie” if one realizes they are “making it up”, as opposed to being “deceived” when one believes untruth without realizing it, without making it up.
As Bolton makes the point, neither are good. One is clearly a moral failing, the other is at least a cognitive failing, if not also a moral failing (“letting oneself be deceived”).
This is one of our recurring questions- when are people willfully lying and when do they really believe what they say in spite of evidence and logic to the contrary.
Unless one wants to be “post-modern” and say truth is subjective, then it is true if you want it to be. Which is kind of like Pilate, a pre-enlightenment post-modern, just to show there is nothing new under the sun.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:19 amIcy… did Gary Collins die?
Colonel Haiku (1973c0) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:30 amI do not know if you have seen a legal affidavit, MD. There are more complicated ones but the gist is: “Affiant affirms that his attestation is true to the best of his information, knowledge, and belief.”
I was not defending Obama. Mildly disagreeing with Bolton.
Obama is not divorced from reality. He is a calculating, manipulative, lying, “where’s mine”, leech on the public fiscus, from Chicago. Clinton was a borderline sociopath and a pathological liar. Obama is the most successful welfare recipient in history.
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:31 amI am not sure “fiscus” is the right word, but I cannot remember the Latin for “dole”. 😉
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:39 amI am not sure “fiscus” is the right word, but I cannot remember the Latin for “dole”. 😉
nk (875f57) — 10/14/2012 @ 7:39 amI am so fracking sick of the “inherited a mess” meme. Every time I see RR give him a pass on that (yes, he ‘inherited’ a problem, but he isn’t fixing it) I want to scream why are you giving him that much ground to begin with??
He “inherited” nothing. “Inheriting” a problem is your parents dying and leaving you an estate in huge arrears and falling to pieces, which the law says YOU are now stuck with. HE RAN FOR THE FRACKING JOB.
He spent months (while truth to tell, McCain made himself look silly with his temporarily-ceasing-the-campaign pseudo-serious attempt) SELLING himself as the guy to fix it. He “inherited” the problem the same way foundation guys bidding to be the one to fix your house the best if you choose them as your contractor “inherited” your already-broken foundation.
He knew things were broke when he ran for office, and told us he had the chops to fix it. That’s why Geitner was shoved down our throats as the “only guy smart enough to head Treasury during this time”, despite his tax sleazing. That’s why the stimulus, and the oft-forgotten “supplemental” budget passed immediately after he hit office. That’s why GWB gave him unprecedented early access and made it a point to tell his administration you give them whatever they want and get out of the way cleanly, ASAP.
He BEGGED the population for the job, got it, has fumbled it, and now wants to say “but gee, it was just soooo broke, no one could have fixed that”.
Makes me sick that he gets that pass both in the press and from the RR ticket.
rtrski (f95811) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:01 amWell the corn allotment was ‘alimenta’
narciso (ee31f1) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:05 amIcy… did Gary Collins die?
Comment by Colonel Haiku — 10/14/2012 @ 7:30 am
— Yes sir.
Icy (2ed015) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:09 amIt would be easier ot chronicle the non lies;
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/14/Libya-The-Biden-Lie-That-Just-Won-t-Die
narciso (ee31f1) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:17 amIcy… I was just funnin’ witcha…
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:26 amAfter David Axelrod’s repeated assurances this morning on Fox News Sunday that “there isn’t anybody on this planet” who feels a greater sense of responsibility for our diplomats than this President, Chris Wallace asked how soon after the Benghazi attacks the President actually met with his national security team.
Wallace followed up on Axelrod’s non-answer by asking whether the President managed to squeeze in a meeting with the National Security Council before jetting off to Las Vegas for a campaign rally. Given Axelrod’s inability to produce a straightforward answer to the questions, it’s pretty clear the answer is “no.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/330367/axelrod-refuses-say-whether-obama-met-natl-security-team-heading-las-vegas-eliana-john
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:29 amMarried Miss America, he did.
Icy (2ed015) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:38 am______________________________________________
He’s ideologically incapable of processing information that counters his convictions that he’s right all the time…
Bing, bing, bing.
A similar reaction has been noticed to varying degrees in people of all political stripes, but it’s much more entrenched among the left than the right, if only because liberals are fueled by “feelings, nothing more than feelings…feelings, wo-o-o, feelings…”
A combination of a belief that do-gooderism (supposed or real) absolves one of all sins, and that the ends therefore justify the means, along with simple greed and laziness, are why people of leftist bent can so easily cause or aggravate a variety of corruption, including that which is purely economic and also social-cultural.
Mark (6d5e0d) — 10/14/2012 @ 8:38 amFrankly, I’m sick of trying to figure out when Obama is truly deluded or merely lying. I know that at some point, he knows what he’s saying isn’t true. Recall how on the campaign trail in 2008 he told Newsweek’s Richard Wolffe, “You know, I actually believe my own bulls**t.”
He believes it. He knows it’s bulls**t. Both at the same time? There’s some fuzzy gray border between the two? Who knows, and who cares. He’s a malicious dogmatic leftist who needs to be gone.
He’s bollixed up the economy. He’s about to bugger US interests in the ME permanently. I recommend this essay by Richard Fernandez about the fight Turkey just picked with Russia. It provides useful insight into Obama’s M.O.
Stand By Me
It isn’t just their foreign policy that they sell people out for very little. It’s also part of their campaign strategy. If they need to burn their friends, the intelligence community, their cabinet members, their ministers, or their own grandmas in a debate or a speech to get elected they will. Not knowing or caring that such things have real consequences. Such is the level of their conceit, arrogance, and delusion (or in Biden’s case dementia).
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:19 amWatch Granholm on MTP.
JD (318f81) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:22 amWhy, JD? Is she on crack again?
Colonel Haiku (7efa05) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:24 amYes
JD (318f81) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:43 amScared of blaming Hillary, Obama is going for the Big Lie technique.
That will thrill our trolls no end.
SPQR (1b5f6f) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:56 amRecall how on the campaign trail in 2008 he told Newsweek’s Richard Wolffe, “You know, I actually believe my own bulls**t.”
He believes it. He knows it’s bulls**t.
I must say that I don’t recall hearing or seeing that one. Did he really say that?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 11:57 amThere are more complicated ones but the gist is: “Affiant affirms that his attestation is true to the best of his information, knowledge, and belief.”
Comment by nk — 10/14/2012 @ 7:31 am
I once attended a church where one member was a law professor, and another member a fellow who dealt with chronic schizophrenia and as is often the case had a relatively concrete form of reasoning. Whenever he heard or read a Bible passage where Jesus was saying, “Woe unto you lawyers” he though the law professor was about to be directly condemned to hell for being a lawyer.
While we know that was not the correct understanding, juxtaposing the legalese as offered in your comment with Jesus’ admonition to let one’s “yes be yes and no be no” and leaving swearing on heaven or earth out of it, one wonders if he was not closer to the truth after all.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/14/2012 @ 12:07 pmDoc @ 27,
Yes, he did.
But I don’t believe it was ever published in Newsweek. Rather in Wolffe’s book, Renegade: The Making of a President. I’ve read it as a quote in book reviews.
Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/14/2012 @ 12:29 pm