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Still think he won, Chris Matthews?

Patterico (8b3905) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:18 pm

I’ll tell you what, Biden has great teeth for a man his age.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:22 pm

Some ads just write themselves.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:25 pm

Biden acts very anxious about Ryan telling us about these issues. He acts like he has something to feel guilty about.

Dustin (73fead) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:27 pm

Isn’t the Billy Madison response, really the best response to Biden, Jd.

narciso (ee31f1) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:28 pm

Biden “came out swinging” and spent the rest of the night displaying his righteous choppers for no reason.

What a fool.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:31 pm

Narcisco – I was thinking the same thing.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:32 pm

It was, wasn’t it, one could also refer Rodney Dangerfield, in ‘Back to School’ but that was more coherent,

narciso (ee31f1) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:40 pm

I expect that he WANTED to behave this way toward Palin in 2008, but was no doubt STRONGLY advised against it. So he made the most of his opportunity this time.

aunursa (7014a8) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:51 pm

Biden must have been instructed to come on strong, be aggressive, bully if you have to, belittle and condescend – just do whatever it takes to wipe out Obama’s wimpy performance from the voter’s memory.

I spoke w/my sister tonight who is an independent. She found Biden’s tactic rude and boorish from the get-go, thus tuned him out as a result. Simple as that. She didn’t want to waste her time with that kind of game. And it caused her to listen more closely to Ryan.

Dana (292dcf) — 10/11/2012 @ 9:56 pm

This ad is DEVASTATING. Biden was UNHINGED!

Steven W. (908822) — 10/11/2012 @ 10:07 pm

Take a look at this, too:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/the-debate-in-pictures.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/11/2012 @ 10:23 pm

Next New Yorker cover – The debate table with Ryan on one side and on the other with great big ole Jack O Lantern with huge teeth in a wicked grin lit up on the table in front of an empty seat.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/11/2012 @ 10:23 pm

With hair plugs.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 10/11/2012 @ 10:23 pm

That’s one way to change the narrative: make it about Biden laughing at the issues, instead of Ryan’s sophomoric responses to questions about them. From an optics perspective, I think conservatives need to coordinate: either Biden was being personally rude to Ryan by laughing at his responses, or he was insulting the American people by laughing at the issues he spoke passionately about when it was his turn to talk. Obviously, the former’s the more effective method — think Gore in 2000 — but that was a Presidential debate, not a VP one, which I don’t think will matter much in the long run, much as I wish it would.

Point being, Romney’s win last week matters much more than Biden’s win this one.

SEK (74bb56) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:06 pm

No H/t for me then from the debate thread. Drat!

Gazzer (f32cc8) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:11 pm

Ryan’s sophomoric responses to questions about them

I don’t see how his answers were sophmoric. He was the only adult at that table, and he showed a much more honest and sober view of the issues. Where Obama and Biden were correct, Ryan would maturely grant as much. And often where they were pretending we could just kick the can down the road on some issue, such as entitlement spending or Iran, Ryan would honestly point out that we need to face these issues and why.

At some point, this discussion boils down to a frustrated, even exasperated, point that we are going to be screwed by this debt, but I think even then Ryan handled the issues calmly. I don’t know how he pulled that off with Biden’s bizarre behavior.

How did Biden win this debate? He won if it was a contest to be rude, but didn’t Ryan make the more successful argument to independent and undecided voters? I suspect Biden turned a lot of them away.

Dustin (73fead) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:12 pm

I think Biden’s mission was to shore up the base at the expense of gaining Inds in order to stanch the bleeding from JEF’s performance last week.

Gazzer (f32cc8) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:15 pm

15. …Ryan’s sophomoric responses…

Comment by SEK — 10/11/2012 @ 11:06 pm

Now we know the talking points OFA is putting out, straight from Axelrod’s email.

Romney/Ryan lie AND they’re sophomoric.

Not like the gang that couldn’t shoot straight on Benghazi didn’t telegraph this one. The wrecking crew that is the Obama admin has been screwing the pooch all over North Africa and the ME, and they decided their best campaign strategy would be to run as if they’re real statesmen against the amateurs.

Right.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:29 pm

I think Biden’s mission was to shore up the base at the expense of gaining Inds in order to stanch the bleeding from JEF’s performance last week.

That makes sense, based upon the idea that none of the undecidedes were going to make up their mind based upon the VP debate. Biden just needed to energize liberals (but it will be interesting to see how they react to the panning of his weird demeanor in the post-mortems, especially if independents find him off-putting), which Ryan’s goal was to keep up the momentum (accomplished, I think) and show that he could make a feasible President if needed (also accomplished).

JVW (f5695c) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:32 pm

What I noticed about the way Biden looked is that his face was completely unlined. But it looked erased – like an old penny that’s been cleaned to mske it shiny. It still doesn’t look new.

Sammy Finkelman (3bb022) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:35 pm

At first Biden’s laughs were connected to some thought – he would go on to say Ryan had said something completely wrong. (so it was something to laugh at.)

But later some of the laughs seemed to be, or almost be, in a vacuum, with nothing to back them up. Although Biden did try to find something.

Sammy Finkelman (3bb022) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:46 pm

I don’t see how his answers were sophmoric.

He was asked, repeatedly, to be specific, and just dodged. Again and again and again. Which might’ve been strategic, given that he said, at one point, “I’ll get to the specifics,” then never did. Which, as a former debater myself, I recognize might be a tactical move: he can claim tomorrow that he wasn’t given the opportunity to get to the specifics he wasn’t ever going to get to.

Now we know the talking points OFA is putting out, straight from Axelrod’s email.

I don’t get Axelrod’s emails, sorry. But Ryan’s answers were sophomoric, and when they weren’t, they made no sense. Be honest, and draw me the connections from Point A to Point B here:

Mitt Romney’s a car guy. They keep misquoting him, but let me tell you about the Mitt Romney I know. This is a guy who I was talking to a family in Northborough, Massachusetts the other day, Sheryl and Mark Nixon. Their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them. Two of them, Rob and Reed, were paralyzed.

You can’t, because there aren’t any. They wanted to bring up car accidents because they thought they could rattle Biden, and while I admire that tactic as a debater, I despise it as a human being.

Moreover, I think most of the people here are misinterpreting how Biden’s exasperation with Ryan’s technocratic responses will play with the public at large. For the same reason that Obama often comes off as dry and inhuman, Ryan’s responses aren’t going to play well. Biden’s evident exasperation with Ryan’s policy-speak, however, is a pretty close approximation to how most people feel about technocrats. It will play well.

But it still won’t make a difference, because this is a VP debate. Romney’s win last week still trumps it, no matter how thundering a thumping Ryan took tonight.

SEK (74bb56) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:46 pm

I recognize might be a tactical move: he can claim tomorrow that he wasn’t given the opportunity to get to the specifics he wasn’t ever going to get to.

Are you actually claiming that Ryan was allowed to get all the points out he wanted to? I heard them cut him off when trying to get to specifics several times. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times.

lefties do not get to claim that Ryan needed to express more points when represented by someone who repeatedly filibustered over Ryan’s ability to do so.

When the time Ryan had, with the nut he was debating, Ryan did a good job expressing his principles and dipping into specifics. I agree there were many, many specifics that should have been covered, but that’s really on the moderator and Biden who seemed scared of Ryan actually talking.

You can’t, because there aren’t any. They wanted to bring up car accidents because they thought they could rattle Biden, and while I admire that tactic as a debater, I despise it as a human being.

That is just kooky. Ryan was giving one of the dozens of examples of Romney showing empathy, because they need to deal with Romney’s 47% gaffe.

You think Ryan was trying to trigger Biden reacting over a tragedy that happened forty years ago? You have no basis for asserting that. But you’re convinced to the point of despising him.

Actually, the truth is you already despised him, and you need an excuse.

Dustin (73fead) — 10/11/2012 @ 11:52 pm

A campaign that wants to run on the theme that Romney and Ryan lie in debates should not have allowed Slow Joe Biden to show up at all.

Biden dumped a ton of utter fabrications – all but the claim that his father was a Welsh coal miner.

SPQR (768505) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:00 am

18. I think Biden’s mission was to shore up the base at the expense of gaining Inds in order to stanch the bleeding from JEF’s performance last week.

Comment by Gazzer — 10/11/2012 @ 11:15 pm

True dat. Although that was really what the campaign said Biden’s job was all along.

Dems are pinning hopes of blunting Romney momentum on … Joe Biden?

Which is a bad place to be, not only if your Veep is Slow Joe.

Typically, the job of the no. 2 guy is to just look presidential, thus validating the executive decision the no. 1 guy made in picking him (and I’d say by any measure Obama failed miserably) and reassuring the electorate that the Veep can take over if needs be, and to tee things up for the boss in his next debate.

I certainly hope that’s the case. Because if Joe Biden’s schtick is any indication of how the next debate between Romney and Obama is going to go it should be a blowout.

And not for Obama.

Apparently team Obama decided Obama’s problem was he wasn’t forceful enough. We saw Biden being forceful tonight. And by that I mean an insufferable a** maggot.

I certainly hope Obama tacks in the same direction. Because he didn’t lose that last debate because he wasn’t forceful. He lost it because he’s got a track record he can’t defend, no new ideas for a second term.

At least, none he can share with the voters. He can give a wink and a nod to Putin and promise to be more flexible when he’s reelected, but first he’s got to hoodwink those bitter clingers.

Oh, and Obama also doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He has no firm grasp on facts or figures. Forget the debate; when he went on Letterman and said he didn’t know what the deficit is I believed him. He doesn’t know jack. He sees himself as the “big picture” guy. His job is to announce his vision of the future in some sort of forum where he won’t be challenged or questioned, write a few lines on a post-it not about what the legislation accompanying his vision out to look like in broad terms, then hit the links or take Michelle out on a date.

So hopefully next time we’ll get a loud, obnoxious uninformed President on the stage.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:02 am

Comment by SEK — 10/11/2012 @ 11:46 pm

Well, when you are dealt a horrible hand and aren’t in a position to fold, the best you can do is bluff. That is what you are trying to do with the ludicrous suggestion that independents will find Biden’s rude mannerisms acceptable because he is hammering away at that technocrat Ryan. In case you haven’t been paying attention, SEK, nerds are the new cool kids. I would guess that the people who truly matter — the undecidedes — aren’t going to think that Biden’s goofing around was impressive.

JVW (f5695c) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:09 am

Steve, I think we very well may get a Biden redux from Obama.

I think the dems really think Biden’s attitude was just the ticket. I bet Romney shows up to the next stage well prepared for an aggressive Obama.

Dustin (73fead) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:10 am

23. I don’t get Axelrod’s emails, sorry.

You’re channeling their contents so well I’m almost convinced you write them.

Moreover, I think most of the people here are misinterpreting how Biden’s exasperation with Ryan’s technocratic responses will play with the public at large.

Judging by the shock polls, I’d say the public at large is suffering under the same misinterpretation of how Biden’s smirking and chortling will play with the public at large.

But it still won’t make a difference, because this is a VP debate. Romney’s win last week still trumps it, no matter how thundering a thumping Ryan took tonight.

Comment by SEK — 10/11/2012 @ 11:46 pm

Also the fact that while Biden may have come out swinging, he didn’t land any blows thus contributing to the fact Ryan didn’t take that thumping you’re imagineering plays into it, ~~Mr. Axelrod~~ SEK.

Good propaganda is harder to do than it might first appear.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:14 am

Where does Frank Luntz find these people?
“One guy spoke good but the other guy spoke gooder…” “Bout sums it up. Sheesh! If he gets any fatter he’s gonna need his own ZIP code.

Gazzer (33ab1c) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:25 am

28. Steve, I think we very well may get a Biden redux from Obama.

I think the dems really think Biden’s attitude was just the ticket. I bet Romney shows up to the next stage well prepared for an aggressive Obama.

Comment by Dustin — 10/12/2012 @ 12:10 am

He’s a Massachusetts Republican. I don’t know if he’s ever dealt with a loud, blustering, clueless Democrat before (cough, cough, Kennedy klan, cough).

Sarcasm fails me. I just described the entire Massachusetts Congressional delegation.

I certainly hope the forceful, take-charge Obama shows up. Because there is no forceful, take-charge Obama. Just a peevish, thin-skinned prima donna. The one at the Rose garden press conference, getting all pissy when a reporter has the temerity to actually shout a question at him.

He’s been told his whole life it’s racist if you do that. And he reminded me of the King John character in Robin Hood, “Did I give you permission to speak, sir!” Though lighter on the testosterone, but with more estrogen.

This is one of those times I’m glad Obama takes no advice from anyone except Obama. Because if somebody could advise him, they’d tell him his surrogates can act like attack dogs but not him.

So hopefully he’ll be in attack dog mode. He’ll come across as a testy Pekingese.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:28 am

Also, re Luntz and his dunces who the hell is undecided at this point? The two candidates are so disparate how can you not know whether you want four more years of crap or a new era of prosperity? I think “undecideds” are just posers who want to be perceived as thoughtful and still mulling the issues. In fact, they are mental midgets.

Gazzer (33ab1c) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:35 am

Gazzer, I seem to recall a minor kerfuffle in 2004 when a couple of “undecidedes” in a group trotted out by some network at a Bush-Kerry debate event turned out to be committed Democrats who were only pretending to be undecided. Naturally, they immediately declared Kerry the obvious winner of the debate. The news media hadn’t vetted them closely, but of course the blogospehere (nascent as it was back then) uncovered the fact that the two had been registered as Democrats for years and one of them had even been a volunteer for Clinton and Gore. Since then, I haven’t taken the whole idea of “undecidedes” very seriously, especially this late in the game.

JVW (f5695c) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:00 am

Biden flatly stated that he voted against the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. On the first, the vote was 98-0 on September 14, 2001, so he lies. On the second, October 11, 2002, Biden also voted YES, so he lies again.

Unlike most fact checking, this is pretty easy. How many Pinnochios does one get for two bald-faced binary lies?

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:00 am

I couldn’t find the article, but I read a news report about $5.69/gallon gas in Kali, and they quoted a lady who worked for Fedex saying, “what are they doing to us.”

That, right their, Gazzer my friend (ok, no more Bidenisms) is your undecided voter.

Someone (she looked old enough) who probably voted for Jerry Brown twice who is just now getting upset that she’s getting what she’s been asking for.

The good news for her? She probably won’t have to fill up that car as much.

Fedex to cut thousands from workforce

It isn’t like President “under my plan electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket” and his den of thieves were trying to hide what they were going to do to energy prices.

Chu to Congress: We’re not interested in lowering gas prices

That’s the current energy secretary, Stephen Chu, who back when Obama was a candidate famously pronounced, “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

SHOCKA! Gas prices are rising.

Of course, it doesn’t help that Kali has its own special blends of summer and winter gas that no one else in the nation uses because Kali voters keep voting themselves cleaner and cleaner air despite the fact beyond a certain point it makes absolutely no sense in terms of costs vs. benefits.

So now this lady is looking at gas prices, seeing the cost of what she’s been voting for, and wonders what “they” are doing to her.

I figure she’s possibly taken the first step toward becoming an “undecided,” a huge step up for her from “brain dead and in the tank.”

I hate how we have to go through the motions of pretending we understand why she voted for Obama in ’08, it was completely reasonable then, blah blah blah so we don’t hurt her precious feelings. Until after November 6 when we can turn to her and say, “How could you have been so stupid!”

But I guess that’s the price of victory. That and $5.69 per gallon gas.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:03 am

Ann Althouse, who just last week caught serious criticism for claiming to be undecided (she voted for O in ’08), liveblogged the debate and detested Biden’s antics.

8:19: Biden talks to “Bibi” all the time and so does Obama. What Ryan says is “a bunch of stuff.” When Ryan speaks, Biden is laughing clownishly again. It looks just awful. Ryan isn’t rattled by it. I think he knows Biden looks foolish.

8:23: Biden is acting as though he cannot physically tolerate Ryan having a turn to speak!

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:04 am

My other comments must be stuck in moderation, but I’ve just got to say: of all the blogs out there, I don’t think there’s a greater disparity between the intelligence of the person who runs the place and that of its commenters than there is here. It’s depressing.

But please, continue calling me Axelrod despite my many criticisms of the Obama administration, because you’re obviously arguing from a position of knowledge and aren’t just projecting your insecurities on someone who disagrees with you. Paul Ryan definitely won this debate, because if wish for something hard enough, it’s necessarily true.

SEK (74bb56) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:09 am

33. Since then, I haven’t taken the whole idea of “undecidedes” very seriously, especially this late in the game.

Comment by JVW — 10/12/2012 @ 1:00 am

They exist, I assure you. I was in Kali recently and it was not the same atmosphere as in the run-up to the ’08 election.

People were literally (again with the Bidenisms) orgasmic over the chance to vote for Obama. Now, not so much. They might, might, vote for Romney this time around.

As long as nobody makes them feel stupid for voting for Obama the first time. Then they’ll just double down on committing national suicide.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:10 am

And someone who believes that Althouse is an “independent” and “undecided” arrives to prove my point. Because if you believe that, well, you’ll believe anything, so long as someone’s saying what you want to hear.

P.S. Check out her posts about the Walker recall. Or anything else she’s written for the past eight years. She likes to pretend she’s an independent so Reynolds will link to her as such. If you can’t see through that cynical ploy, I’m surprised you can type.

SEK (74bb56) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:12 am

37.

My other comments must be stuck in moderation, but I’ve just got to say: of all the blogs out there, I don’t think there’s a greater disparity between the intelligence of the person who runs the place and that of its commenters than there is here. It’s depressing.

But please, continue calling me Axelrod despite my many criticisms of the Obama administration, because you’re obviously arguing from a position of knowledge and aren’t just projecting your insecurities on someone who disagrees with you. Paul Ryan definitely won this debate, because if wish for something hard enough, it’s necessarily true.

Comment by SEK — 10/12/2012 @ 1:09 am

Sensitive, aren’t we?

I’ve been calling you Axelrod because you might as well be. Nobody outside of Organizing For America saw the same debate you did. Which isn’t wishful thinking; I referenced the shock polls.

Your attempts to spin the debate in Biden’s favor have been, to put it mildly, underwhelming.

I have trouble taking you seriously because you are not dealing with reality.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:19 am

Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President

I realize the view is different from OFA HQ but…

According to a tweet from CNBC’s verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 – 36%

A CNN focus group of undecided likely voters split their votes evenly. 1/3rd Biden, 1/3rd Ryan, 1/3rd Undecided.

CNN just announced the results of their scientific post-debate poll. That also showed Ryan winning 48 – 44%.

The only poll that has Biden ahead is CNBC’s non-scientific online survey.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:38 am

36. And someone who believes that Althouse is an “independent” and “undecided” arrives to prove my point. Because if you believe that, well, you’ll believe anything, so long as someone’s saying what you want to hear.

P.S. Check out her posts about the Walker recall. Or anything else she’s written for the past eight years. She likes to pretend she’s an independent so Reynolds will link to her as such. If you can’t see through that cynical ploy, I’m surprised you can type.

Comment by SEK — 10/12/2012 @ 1:12 am

You misrepresent what someone says just three comments prior to yours. Kevin never said anything about believing Althouse’s claim to be undecided. That’s pure fiction on your part.

How do you expect anyone to take your other misrepresentations of reality seriously.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 1:49 am

I don’t want to accuse Ms. Raddatz of taking off her shoe and reaching over to Biden with her foot, so I’ll just say that Biden “held his own”.

nk (875f57) — 10/12/2012 @ 3:35 am

I’ll tell you what, Biden has great teeth for a man his age.

Comment by Ag80 — 10/11/2012 @ 9:22 pm

People would ask my mother, “Are those your teeth?” My mother would say “Yes”. I would overhear. One time I dared to say “Mama, your teeth?” She smiled, like she always did with her sons, and said “I paid for them”.

nk (875f57) — 10/12/2012 @ 3:47 am

hey Boorish Biden
just where have you been hidin’?
Atascadero*

*Atascadero State Hospital for the Criminally Insane

Colonel Haiku (f91c57) — 10/12/2012 @ 4:12 am

From an optics perspective, I think conservatives need to

I think that it is laughable that a sniveling mendoucheous leftist like seks is trying to give us advise.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 5:39 am

Well the Terminators were after him, Colonel;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/10/irs-says-tax-avoidance-heart-solyndra-bankruptcy-p/

narciso (ee31f1) — 10/12/2012 @ 5:51 am

Biden won the debate, if his goal was to show off the efficacy of his brand of whitening toothpaste…

Guy Jones (4fd547) — 10/12/2012 @ 6:05 am

Comment by SEK — 10/11/2012 @ 11:06 pm
That’s one way to change the narrative: make it about Biden laughing at the issues
— Oh good, so you actually did pay attention to the subject of this thread. And it led you to say “What they need to do is what they did.”

From an optics perspective, I think conservatives need to coordinate: either Biden was being personally rude to Ryan by laughing at his responses, or he was insulting the American people by laughing at the issues he spoke passionately about when it was his turn to talk. Obviously, the former’s the more effective method
— If this were true, then the American people would be calling for Harry Reid to be impeached. Think about it.

but that was a Presidential debate, not a VP one, which I don’t think will matter much in the long run, much as I wish it would.
— You were doing a lot better at the beginning of this post, where you agreed that they had already mounted the correct response.

Point being, Romney’s win last week matters much more than Biden’s win this one.
— Even more so, since Biden didn’t win.

Icy (679f68) — 10/12/2012 @ 6:12 am

There were five lights;

http://www.bizzyblog.com/2012/10/11/ap-reports-still-fixate-on-anti-islam-video-leave-impression-that-there-were-pre-attack-protests-in-benghazi/

narciso (ee31f1) — 10/12/2012 @ 6:15 am

Excellent, Colonel.

PatAZ (a12365) — 10/12/2012 @ 6:24 am

SEK:
For the same reason that Obama often comes off as dry and inhuman, Ryan’s responses aren’t going to play well.
— According to the post-debate polls his responses played just fine. But that’s okay; I’m sure that you know, better than they know themselves, how the American people think.

Biden’s evident exasperation with Ryan’s policy-speak, however, is a pretty close approximation to how most people feel about technocrats. It will play well.
— Being a rude, patronizing, condescending a-hole might play well in your neck of the woods, but out here in the wide world of sports . . . not so much.

Romney’s win last week still trumps it, no matter how thundering a thumping Ryan took tonight.
— With the exception of the partisan hacks at MSNBC, no one agrees with your “thumping” assessment.

I’ve just got to say: of all the blogs out there, I don’t think there’s a greater disparity between the intelligence of the person who runs the place and that of its commenters than there is here.
— We’re number one! We’re number one! We’re number one!

Icy (679f68) — 10/12/2012 @ 6:56 am

Oh, the horror – dishonest leftist blogger doesn’t think much of us. I can see a long night of tossing and turning coming for me tonight.

Great to have you back, though, Scott. I’ve missed your wild accusations of racism so very much.

radar (3a664a) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:10 am

The racisms that Ryan displayed were breath-taking, amirite seks?

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:23 am

“I don’t think there’s a greater disparity between the intelligence of the person who runs the place and that of its commenters than there is here. It’s depressing.”

Take a few xanax and wash it down with your hilariously overinflated sense of your own intellect.

Jack Klompus (3b3713) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:25 am

Everything Ryan (and Romney) says deserve a good laugh…they’re the most UNSERIOUS candidates to come down the pike (next to your last VP pick Sarah Palin of course).

The only people offended by Biden’s reactions to the non-stop lie-fest that is the Republican campaign are Wingnuts like yourselves. The rest of the public see it for what it was…the natural response to a canned, robotic, corporate-style snake oil salesman.

P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:43 am

Illman is back spewing its bile.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:51 am

56. 56. “canned, robotic…”

Which ironically sums up just about every tiresome, petulant post you’ve ever written here, you insufferable bore.

Jack Klompus (3b3713) — 10/12/2012 @ 7:51 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443749204578051073494711456.html

Biden was “wrong” about his vote on Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Whether or not they knew of requests for security in Libya. And that they followed the intelligence. And the size of Syria. And the 716,000,000,000 they would take from Medicare. And tax cuts. Etc etc etc

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:03 am

LOL, the Mormon-lover links to a WSJ editorial…next to Faux Nes the most reliable Republican partisans in the media.

And…worthless crap.

P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:08 am

“Which ironically sums up just about every tiresome, petulant post you’ve ever written here, you insufferable bore.”

The dumb kids are always the ones who are bored, aren’t they?

P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:09 am

You can’t even craft a marginally amusing or entertaining insult in between your petty little DNC waterboy tantrums.

Jack Klompus (3b3713) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:11 am

Illman’s response to Biden’s “mistakes” is to call me a Mormon lover. Maybe he can tell me where I live and where I go to church again.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:14 am

“Maybe he can tell me where I live and where I go to church again.”

You live inside a self-created fantasy world of hate and anger.

You worship at the alter of Rand, Limbaugh, Hannity and the other High Priests of Hate.

I would think that this is all pretty obvious.

P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:19 am

P.Tillman, bigots like you are the actual haters. You’ve dragged your bigotry across this site, and then accuse others of being motivated by hatred? You should count yourself lucky that irony is not fatal.

SPQR (768505) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:21 am

I don’t hate you, illman. I pity you. I admire your ability to eat you pudding cups without poking out an eye.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:21 am

don’t think there’s a greater disparity between the intelligence of the person who runs the place and that of its commenters than there is here. It’s depressing.

If you are trying to convince people that what you are advocating, one method is to evoke a common sympathy with your audience.

I agree with some of your criticism of Ryan, Romney is a progressive, Ryan is well, a nothing, but, he’s our nothing. Measuring him against the entire breadth of liberalistic socialism, that has invaded DC these last 15 years – Ryans stands heads above the entire left.

Romney – not so much – the elbowing and jostling to see who can tax the rich is nauseating.

Many here are slavering to get Obama, however in a few years getting Romney will not be the price they would have wanted to pay.

EPWJ (4380b4) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:22 am

“P.Tillman, bigots like you are the actual haters.”

BZZZT! Wrong.

P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:22 am

P.Tillman, not wrong. You’ve demonstrated it to all. You’ve been the exact example of Democrat bigotry, dishonesty and bile that we so often describe.

SPQR (768505) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:26 am

SPQR – demonstrated it perfectly. So much so, that I initially wondered if it was a parody sock puppet. Alas, just another hate-filled serial troll.

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:28 am

You worship at the alter of Rand, Limbaugh, Hannity and the other High Priests of Hate

illman. We all have our flaws – I’ve blogged with JD argued, with Jd since maybe 2006 – and I can tell you nothing you are saying about him is even 1% accurate

Best way to confront the guys is to bluntly ask them how they feel about the issue and press them until they at least go on record.

Spouting the nonsense you are spouting usually just lengthens and darkens threads – ask them to debate on the issues.

On a side note – how many Jews do you think live in Iran…..

EPWJ (4380b4) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:39 am

Greetings:

Vice President Biden (aka “Joey Plugs”) reminds me of a loudmouth guy that used to come into my father’s favorite bar, “Archer’s”. Once, when I was about seven, my father took me there on a Saturday afternoon to watch the then New York Giants baseball game on TV. I was sitting at the bar with my father, having my Coke with two cherries, when the loudmouth guy thought he saw an opportunity to insert himself into our afternoon. Over he comes, in his gladhanding way, and says much too loudly, “Well, Ted, are you going to introduce me to your boy-o?” 

Now, my father didn’t suffer, and had no intention of ever suffering, fools gladly. Taking a long pull on his Lucky Strike and exhaling slowly, he answered, in that New York way, with a question, “What are you doing at this end of the bar?”

11B40 (7ee853) — 10/12/2012 @ 8:45 am

This thread is kind of surreal

JD (9ace9f) — 10/12/2012 @ 9:00 am

You can bitch and whine all you want about the WSJ editorial, but the plain fact is that Joe Biden claimed he voted against both wars. This is a flat, bald-faced, easily proven lie. Regardless of your opinion of the messenger, the message is true. If you have some miraculous way to explain how Biden isn’t lying despite the fact that the votes to authorize Afghanistan and Iraq are public record, then do so or put a cork in in.

radar (3a664a) — 10/12/2012 @ 9:23 am

The one unworthy to carry the jock of his namesake oozed:
Everything Ryan (and Romney) says deserve a good laugh…they’re the most UNSERIOUS candidates to come down the pike (next to your last VP pick Sarah Palin of course).
— We know that you think ad homs like this mean something profound, but they really mean nothing at all.

The only people offended by Biden’s reactions to the non-stop lie-fest that is the Republican campaign are Wingnuts like yourselves.
— If Ryan had smiled and laughed, and had continually interrupted while Biden was speaking, you would have been okay with it? Liar, thy name is “effing”.

LOL, the Mormon-lover links to a WSJ editorial
— Does hating an entire religion make you feel better about yourself?

next to Faux Nes the most reliable Republican partisans in the media.
— Nothing the WSJ says is true? That’s fair . . . and balanced.

And…worthless crap.
— You ARE what you eat.

The dumb kids are always the ones who are bored, aren’t they?
— We know, you’d be playing outside if you could just figure out the tricky lock on your mom’s basement door.

You live inside a self-created fantasy world of hate and anger.
— The only one expressing hate here is you.

You worship at the alter of Rand, Limbaugh, Hannity and the other High Priests of Hate.
— One wonders if your ALTERation has had a detrimental effect on your development.

I would think that this is all pretty obvious.
— Just call yourself Samuel Morse.

Icy (679f68) — 10/12/2012 @ 9:53 am

Everything Ryan (and Romney) says deserve a good laugh…they’re the most UNSERIOUS candidates to come down the pike (next to your last VP pick Sarah Palin of course).

Um, compared to whom? TOTUS and Slow Joe?! “Seared, seared” Kerry & “Baby papa” Edwards?! The Arkansas rapist & the crazed sex poodle?! Dukakis?! Really, whom are you comparing them to?

Milhouse (15b6fd) — 10/12/2012 @ 10:55 am

a WSJ editorial…next to Faux Nes the most reliable Republican partisans in the media. And…worthless crap.

Saying it doesn’t make it so.

Milhouse (15b6fd) — 10/12/2012 @ 10:56 am

You worship at the alter of Rand, Limbaugh, Hannity and the other High Priests of Hate.

Whom exactly did/do any of these hate? Other than communists, fascists, and assorted other thugs?

Milhouse (15b6fd) — 10/12/2012 @ 10:58 am

56. Everything Ryan (and Romney) says deserve a good laugh…they’re the most UNSERIOUS candidates to come down the pike (next to your last VP pick Sarah Palin of course).

Iowahawk nailed you clowns. After Romney drubbed Obama mercilessly, Obama tried to regroup by going on Nickelodeon and talking incessantly about Big Bird.

He tweeted (paraphrasing) “What do leftists call a guy who goes on the children’s network Nickelodeon and talks about Big Bird for a week? The adult in the room.”

That’s you Tilly.

The only people offended by Biden’s reactions to the non-stop lie-fest that is the Republican campaign are Wingnuts like yourselves. The rest of the public see it for what it was…the natural response to a canned, robotic, corporate-style snake oil salesman.

Comment by P. Tillman — 10/12/2012 @ 7:43 am

Well, then you’re SOL this year, junior. Because the “rest of the public” that sees things your way is tiny. So I guess the right wing nuts that think Biden made an ass of himself will be carrying the election for Romney/Ryan.

And that would now include Tom Brokaw, who was on MSNBC this a.m. ripping Biden a new one for chortling like the demented old fool he is during a discussion of a nuclear Iran.

Right, Tilly. The geezer laughing like an idiot during what should have been a serious discussion of a potential nuclear war in the ME is the serious candidate.

In your delusions. And very few others share them.

You know, if I was going to make up a caricature of a leftist a** clown, well after Biden it would be you.

Steve57 (c8ac21) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:41 pm

Tom Brokaw?

If you’ve lost Brokaw, that’s almost like losing Cronkite, and we know what the Dem president thought about losing Cronkite…
(Even though I wouldn’t trust Cronkite with a weather report, even when he was still alive, I mean)

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/12/2012 @ 12:57 pm

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