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9/13/2012

Romney Offends Pundits

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:56 am



From the Wall Street Journal:

The Obama Presidential campaign jumped on the remarks Wednesday as inappropriate, yet a “senior Administration official” had told the website Politico later on Tuesday night that “The statement by Embassy Cairo was not cleared by Washington and does not reflect the views of the United States government.” So the White House can walk away from its own diplomats, but Mr. Romney can’t criticize them?

Whatever the timing of the Cairo Embassy’s statements, Mr. Romney is right that a U.S. Embassy ought to ignore YouTube videos produced by obscure cranks. As Tuesday’s events showed, pandering to Islamists who would use the video to inflame anti-American sentiment isn’t going to stop the protests. The video “Innocence of Muslims” is inflammatory and its producer is a fool, but in the U.S. we don’t censor fools.

The broader point is that the attacks on the embassies do raise questions about how America has fared in the world in the last four years. (See above.) Throughout his candidacy, Mr. Romney has supported the necessity of America’s global leadership, sometimes against the wishes of Republican voters. His comments this week are consistent with that worldview, which is also consistent with that of every recent conservative President.

Indeed.

178 Responses to “Romney Offends Pundits”

  1. Obviously what we need is an international law against offending the punditocracy.

    PCachu (e072b7)

  2. As Tuesday’s events showed, pandering to Islamists who would use the video to inflame anti-American sentiment isn’t going to stop the protests. The video “Innocence of Muslims” is inflammatory and its producer is a fool, but in the U.S. we don’t censor fools.

    The WSJ is conflating (intentionally, I suppose) what people have a right to do with what is, subjectively, the right thing to do.

    No, we don’t censor fools. We just condemn them (using more free speech). All that the embassy statement did was the latter, not the former — and the right looks silly trying to make it the other way around.

    Kman (5576bf)

  3. this election isn’t about how effed up cowardly failmerica’s stupid foreign policies are it’s about how there’s no jobs or opportunity just food stamps and more food stamps

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  4. Kmart is in a lather over this.

    JD (16fdce)

  5. OMG Has the internet made all speech a virtual violation of the “Logan Act” ?

    Who needs to go to Paris, like John Kerry, or Hanoi, like Jane Fonda, when you can conduct foreign policy from your home .. in your PJs.

    Neo (d1c681)

  6. food stamp recipe of teh day!

    mmmm boys and girls today the government (pbuh) shows us how to make Stuffed Zucchini Boats!!!

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  7. The Journolisters (and that word seems to encompass 75-95% of the msm) have to support this administration in an attempt to stave-off the impending death-spiral of the “Blue Governmental Model”; for without a Progressive Government, they would have to do real journalism (or find a real job) without the ability to drift in and out of secure positions as PIO’s in continuing chapters of State Crony-Socialism.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  8. I wonder how kmart is going to react when he sees the Washington Examiner’s description of the foreign-policy of his Dear Leader:
    “Groveling for Peace!”

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  9. No, we don’t censor fools. We just condemn them (using more free speech). All that the embassy statement did was the latter, not the former — and the right looks silly trying to make it the other way around.
    Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 8:48 am

    — It’s all right for government entities to CONDEMN private citizens for exercising their right to free expression, is it?

    Icy (d49355)

  10. As Ace detailed the YouTube badly over-dubbed haphazadly selected dialog of the trailer, including at one point the ‘wife’ addressing the protagonist as Mohammed, a name he is not otherwise given.

    The umbrage is a fraud, an excuse to foment trouble by unknown parties among the usual suspects.

    Look for trouble tonight as the Packers play the Bears. Few religions compete with fervor exemplified by the confessors to these respective gods.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  11. Radical Muslims need no excuse to demonstrate their radicalism other than the Sun coming up, or going down.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  12. It’s all right for government entities to CONDEMN private citizens for exercising their right to free expression, is it?

    No, Icy. And you know that’s not what happened. The embassy said — point blank — that free speech is a universal right. So it wasn’t comdemning the RIGHT to speak.

    It was condemning what was being said (which government entities do all the time).

    Please tell me that’s not too nuanced for you. I’m sure it’s not.

    Kman (5576bf)

  13. Kmart – what other rights are you willing to cede to extremist terrorists?

    JD (16fdce)

  14. JD:

    Kmart – what other rights are you willing to cede to extremist terrorists?

    What right am I ceding to terrorists now?

    Kman (5576bf)

  15. In one way, the release from the Egyptian Embassy is neither here nor there, I think the point is that there was nothing else strongly condemning the attack on the embassy in a timely manner.

    Egypt and Libya and other countries need to decide if they want to work with the US or not. If they do, they need to protect our embassies and our personnel, if not, fine, we and our money and our support leave.

    If the governments of these countries can’t understand that our nation will not censor material to their liking, then their isn’t really any ability to work together. Heck, we don’t censor material to our liking, why should we to theirs?

    Palin spoke in her acceptance speech about needing to bypass the media and speak directly to the people (or some such); that is what Romney needs to do. If he loses doing that, it is upon the heads of the US public.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  16. Our Islamist friends are simply filming their version of Project X. Bear no witness. Move along people, we already met them in the WH. Catch it the theaters next year with Kaffe and Humus … on to my next Fundraising Event.” BHO

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/muslim-brotherhood-delegation-meets-with-white-house-119647.html

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  17. kmart, if what the embassy said was forthright, and correct, why did they, the DoS, and the WH, walk it back?
    It sounds to me like they were letting their mouth write a check their a$$ (and Amb. Stevens) couldn’t cash.

    Someone in DC needs to answer for the death of OUR ambassador, for allowing him to be in a situation that had all the potential to turn out the way it did, and to be there without adequate security.
    If that someone is an assistant secretary at State, or the Secretary herself, they need to be fired!
    If it was a WH staffer, they need to be fired!
    If it was the President, we’ll take care of him on Nov-6!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  18. It was condemning what was being said (which government entities do all the time).

    — Such as?

    Icy (d49355)

  19. #8 No Kman, the embassy called the use of free speech an “abuse” to “hurt” Muslims. Later the Embassy said they defend free speech but they thought the video a bad idea. Slight of hand.

    I even heard morons like Geraldo say this is the equivalent of screaming “fire” in a crowded theater because you know a Youtube Video on US Servers caused this outbreak of violence in Cairo because Islamists fleeing for their lives trampled US Citizens inside the Embassy.

    Just fucking stooooooooooooooooooopid.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  20. We shouldn’t say something, because someone might be offended and attack an American embassy. Maybe we shouldn’t arm ourselves because someone may view that as an aggressive act. Maybe jooooooooooooooooos shouldn’t practice Judaism because terrorists might be offended. May e gay people should not be gay because terrorists might be offended. Maybe the press should clear all writing with extremists to make sure they are not offended.

    JD (16fdce)

  21. When will Our State Department actually stand up for US Interests?

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  22. Actually, JD, the press does seem to have bent to the will of one stream of extremist in allowing them to edit what the press says about them….
    but enough about The Office of The President.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  23. Comment by JD — 9/13/2012 @ 9:34 am

    Maybe Hollywood should stop making movies and television shows that offend. Maybe all female TV news people wear burkas… Yeah, that should help a lot, Sec. Clinton in a burka. That would show more respect than bowing to the King of SA.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  24. I would love to “see” Chrissie in a burka.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  25. today the federal reserve joined the whore-laden Roberts court in perverting another institution for the greater glory of Obama

    what a disgusting and sad little country

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  26. when the deranged muslims tear apart our flags they should understand they’re rending cloth we’ve already thoroughly pissed on

    that has to be haram in some way, no?

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  27. Has the Administration explained exactly what compelled the US Ambassador to leave the safety of his Embassy in Tripoli and travel with only a skeleton security crew to the consulate in Benghazi on 9/11? His presence there, on that date, was neither accidental nor coincidental.

    Sean Smith, the Ambassador’s Information Officer prefaced a comment to an online friend shortly before the attack with the ominous words, “Assuming we don’t die tonight, we saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”

    Additionally, after the 4 Americans were taken to a safe house by their ‘police’ guards they were quickly trapped inside by about 50 terrorists armed with automatic weapons and RPGs while indirect fire from mortars rained down on the now isolated and surrounded Americans.

    Indirect fire (from a distance and over obsticles) requires advance planning, accureate measurements, range and baring are necessary to land ordinance on specific coordinates.

    ropelight (1a9b2e)

  28. It was condemning what was being said (which government entities do all the time).

    – Such as?

    Any number of politicians condemning Michael Moore’s films or views.

    And I don’t have a problem with that. That’s not a First Amendment attack.

    Kman (5576bf)

  29. The kerfluffle will die out, but Obama’s Middle East problems will intensify.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  30. Business Idea: Get Rich Fast.

    Make highly flammable US Flags for sale to the World’s 1.5 billion Moslems!

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  31. Comment by ropelight — 9/13/2012 @ 9:52 am

    Has the Administration explained exactly what compelled the US Ambassador to leave the safety of his Embassy in Tripoli and travel with only a skeleton security crew to the consulate in Benghazi on 9/11?

    That’s probably classified, but very very significant. In fact whoever was behind the attack, was also probably behind whatever caused that trip to be made.

    His presence there, on that date, was neither accidental nor coincidental.

    I agree. I don’t know if the Administration is willing to face whatever the implications of that are.

    The movie also (all 14 minutes of it) I think also was not a coincidence. The movie itself is a hoax (there is no 2 hour film) and the actors who participated in it in August 2011 were lied to about what it was about.

    I believe the movie makers were in league with the terrorists. The terrorists wanted a sure thing and were not content with the thought that something would come along to distort.

    Sean Smith, the Ambassador’s Information Officer prefaced a comment to an online friend shortly before the attack with the ominous words, “Assuming we don’t die tonight, we saw one of our ‘police’ that guard the compound taking pictures.”

    Additionally, after the 4 Americans were taken to a safe house by their ‘police’ guards they were quickly trapped inside by about 50 terrorists armed with automatic weapons and RPGs while indirect fire from mortars rained down on the now isolated and surrounded Americans.

    So that’s where the attack was made? Was he in a car or not?

    Indirect fire (from a distance and over obsticles) requires advance planning, accurate measurements, range and baring are necessary to land ordinance on specific coordinates.

    For technical reasons alone, this had to be planned before the controversy.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  32. 25. I bet the Ambassador thought their safety was his responsibility and his authority might lend ammunition to the effort.

    Noble thoughts, but clearly inadequate to the purpose and I don’t doubt he may have suspected as much.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  33. So, tell me again about YouTube’s Acceptable Use policies. This is STILL up (or at least many items purporting to be the same thing), while much milder stuff gets pulled down for no discernible reason.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  34. this election isn’t about how effed up cowardly failmerica’s stupid foreign policies are it’s about how there’s no jobs or opportunity just food stamps and more food stamps

    This administration is so F’d up that there will be a food stamp shortage.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  35. Kman: It was condemning what was being said (which government entities do all the time).

    Icy: Such as?

    Kman: Any number of politicians condemning Michael Moore’s films or views

    — I’m sorry. WHAT “government entities” were they speaking on behalf of?

    Icy (d49355)

  36. The wall Street Journal in an editorial notes that in his Rose Garden remarks on Wednesday President Obama talked only about Libya, but did not mention the less serious assault on the embassy in Cairo.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  37. So,kman, do you stand behind the whiny tweets from the embassy account during the incursion. You know, the begging ones about how nice and cuddly and harmless the embassy people is and how they all love Muslims, every one?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  38. WHAT “government entities” were they speaking on behalf of?

    Besides South Park.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  39. _____________________________________

    No, we don’t censor fools.

    Well, that’s quite apparent when Obama (truly the epitome of fools) is allowed to flap his gums, from A to Z — going back to at least 2008 — and you on the left (which includes much of the MSM) laps it up and then salutes him.

    Mark (af03f3)

  40. Politico headline:
    John McCain hopes Mitt Romney sees ‘big picture’

    Sounds like McCain is trashing Romney, the rat.

    But no.

    Article body:

    Sen. John McCain said Thursday that Mitt Romney should broaden his critique of President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy, arguing the United States is “paying a price for that weakness.”

    “The fact is the United States, in the Middle East, is weak,” the Arizona Republican said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “We are seen as withdrawing, and we are paying a price for that weakness, whether it be unraveling in Iraq, the tragedy in Syria, the tensions with Israel, the Afghan situation unraveling. There is a lack of leadership there, and that’s what I would be talking about. And I hope that Mitt Romney will be looking at the big picture.”

    Never trust Politico.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  41. 27. Precisely correct. Bunny Bane was in dire straits anyway, but Iran’s capture of the hostages(and the failed rescue certainly) made the election a walkover.

    These uprisings will now be further fueled by Helicopter Ben’s launch of QE3, announced in recent hours.

    Version 2 saw Egyptian food prices double. There is now no money in bank for food stamps. There, but for the grace of God go we.

    Urkel is Alpo on the hoof.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  42. _______________________________________________

    The video “Innocence of Muslims” is inflammatory and its producer is a fool

    I haven’t seen that so I’m not really sure what makes its filmmaker foolish. I also wonder if it’s necessarily all that inflammatory or controversial, since I’ve seen that type of feedback expressed by people (virtually all of the left) regarding Dinesh D’souza’s “2016: Obama’s America.” Or a documentary that merely uses words straight from the lips (or writings) of Barry Soetero himself.

    I know one thing that is very foolish: People in the Western World who are not fully cognizant that Mohammed, the founder of Islam, assigned people the task of killing those who merely mocked him. So when people want to believe that extremism is somehow an outlier facet of the Islamic religion — or certainly its historic theological core — they’re being either ignorant or foolish.

    Mark (af03f3)

  43. Icy:

    I’m sorry. WHAT “government entities” were they speaking on behalf of?

    Whichever ones apply. When George Bush condemned (on several occasions) those who wanted to withdraw from Iraq, he wasn’t attacking their First Amendment rights, nor was he apologizing for America. Just because a government entity takes a stand against some American’s views, doesn’t mean it is taking a stand against a person expressing his views.

    Kevin M:

    So,kman, do you stand behind the whiny tweets from the embassy account during the incursion. You know, the begging ones about how nice and cuddly and harmless the embassy people is and how they all love Muslims, every one?

    The tweets didn’t say anything like that. And that’s fine if you want to spin it that way on thie website. But the ACTUAL problems facing the President (or would-be President) require serious discussion from serious people, and Romney yesterday showed he wasn’t up to the task.

    Kman (5576bf)

  44. No, Daley’s numero uno Kenyan houseboy showed it was not up to the task.

    nk (875f57)

  45. I looked up “worthless golf-playing Kenyan piece of garbage” on the Thesaurus and found Obama’s picture.

    Is this the crisis Slow Joe said Barry Soetoro would be tested on?

    nk (875f57)

  46. Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 10:41 am
    The tweets didn’t say anything like that. And that’s fine if you want to spin it that way on thie website. But the ACTUAL problems facing the President (or would-be President) require serious discussion from serious people, and Romney yesterday showed he wasn’t up to the task.
    — Answer Kevin M’s question! DO you stand behind those embassy tweets that were later disavowed by the administration, Yes or No?

    Whichever ones apply.
    — The ONLY “ones” that “apply” are the condemnations that were made on behalf of a government entity. Whatcha got?

    When George Bush condemned (on several occasions) those who wanted to withdraw from Iraq
    — He said they had abused their freedom of speech, did he? Admit it, you’ve got nothing.

    Icy (d49355)

  47. In Feb 1979 the U.S. Embassy in Teheran, Iran was overrun but it was returned. One hostage was taken from the hospital but released after a week. It’s in the Sept 1979 Reader’s Digest.

    You can buy it here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Readers-Digest-September-1979-Phil-Donohue-Neil-Boyd-/330660604471

    he lead article is The American in Cell # 5 by Andrew Jones. The hostage was Ken Kraus, a Marine guard.

    Ken arrived at the embassy, on Wednesday evening, February 21, one week almost to the hour after his kidnapping. The buildings were scarred and burned, and the facility, although still representing the U.S. government, was under Iranian control. But everyone was alive, and Ken was astounded to learn that he was a national hero — the newspapers were all carrying the story of his release, arranged by President Carter. Since his uniforms had been stolen in the post-surrender looting, he was taken in his prison rags to Ambassador Sullivan’s house for a sumptuous dinner.

    Afterward, still dazed, he found himself on the telephone with the President of the United States. All Ken could say was, “Thank you, Mr. President!”

    In November 1979 it was overrun a second time but this time the hostages were not released. Mehdi Barzagan was no longer in power. Then the American Embassies in Tripoli, Libya, and Islamabad, Pakistan were also attacked, and the U.S. Ambassador in Kabul, Afghanistan was killed. That’s the previous ambassador killed they are talking about.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  48. Romney yesterday showed he wasn’t up to the task.

    Standing up for the 1st Amendment makes him ill suited to be the President.

    JD (16fdce)

  49. ______________________________________________

    The Obama Presidential campaign jumped on the remarks Wednesday as inappropriate

    Meanwhile…

    dailymail.co.uk, Sept 13:

    President Barack Obama compared his campaign volunteers to the American officials killed in Libya, saying that ‘like them, you guys are Americans who sense that we can do better than we’re doing’.

    Obama’s remarks came during a meeting with volunteer leaders in Las Vegas. ‘And obviously [our] hearts are broken for the families but I wanted to encourage those folks at the State Department that they were making a difference,’ he said, according to a pool report.

    BTW, I saw a few minutes of the video that is supposedly behind all the angst in the Middle East. It’s starts off seemingly okay, but then ends up fairly silly. IOW, it’s typical of most hokum out of Hollywood, or Bollywood, or London’s studios, etc. Not sure if the producer wanted to mock Mohammed as much as he has just really cheesy taste.

    Mark (af03f3)

  50. In an interview with the Spanish-language network Telemundo, President Obama says the U.S. would no longer consider the Egyptian government an ally, “but we don’t consider them an enemy.”

    – Ear Leader votes “present” . . . again.

    He also failed to refer to the murder of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya as a ‘terrorist act’. Perhaps it was just another one of Sec. Napolitano’s “man-caused disasters.”

    Icy (d49355)

  51. “In Feb 1979 the U.S. Embassy in Teheran, Iran was overrun but it was returned.”

    Sammy – WTF are you talking about? Are you saying the U.S. still has an active embassy in Tehran?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  52. #29, Sammy asked, So that’s where the attack was made? Was he in a car or not?

    I don’t know, 4 Americans were trapped inside the safe house as mortar fire had them bracketed. Staying in the house would mean sure death from explosive ordnance, so some of them still able to move may have tried to make a run for it even though the terrorists waited outside with AKs and RPGs.

    Once the Ambassador was lured to Benghazi where his ‘police’ guards could spring the trap his fate was sealed.

    Current reports indicate the Ambassador suffocated which would indicate he likely died in the house.

    ropelight (1a9b2e)

  53. Previous ambassador killed?
    I thought it was the guy in Khartoum that was killed by Yassar Arafat’s group.

    BTW, I’m sure it’s helpful for the Egyptian’s to know that our U.S.Ambassador in Cairo has forbidden “her” Marines from carrying “live” ammo.
    That cannot end well.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  54. Chapter whatever in “Why I Ignore The Pundits”

    Space Cockroach (8096f2)

  55. Oh, another business opportunity for enterprising sorts, beyond the accelerant-infused American Flags:

    BHO doggie chew toys.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  56. daley….two overruns….one in Feb-79, another in Nov-79.
    We got the embassy back the first time due to the intervention of the leader of the Iranian Government (at the time). By Nov, he was history, and so was our embassy.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  57. In 1979 the United States embassy in Teheran was overun two separate times, the first time right after Khomeini had assumed power on February 12. He had not expected that, and he had nominated Mehdi Barzagan as the person he wanted in charge

    The embassy was overrun, and returned, and then overrun again in the beginning of November.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  58. Whatever happened to Qaddafi’s personal bodyguard squad?

    I’m thinking swimsuit calendar, for important journalistic purposes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  59. There’s probably a power struggle going on in China. The person who is supposed to be the new Chinese leader has not appeared in public since September 1, and all sorts of rumors are being circulated, mostly related to physical health.

    I think this is a bad guy, so that’s good sign. China is egging on Iran, so maybe that will change.

    There are those interested in economics and enjoying their sinecures and there are those who want to increase the power of China and make war on Taiwan and take risks and try to end the nuclear taboo.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  60. And then he steps on his crank, yet again!
    Obama told volunteer leaders in Las Vegas, “The sacrifices that our troops and our diplomats make are obviously very different from the challenges that we face here domestically but like them, you guys are Americans who sense that we can do better than we’re doing….I’m just really proud of you.”

    — He’s just as proud of the “sacrifices” made by the volunteers for his re-election campaign as he is of the sacrifice of LIVES made by the people that represent us overseas? Jesus Effing Christ! He really does need a teleprompter everywhere he goes.

    Icy (d49355)

  61. I heard yesterday the U.S. government in Washington didn’t find out what had happened to the Ambassador for five hours.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  62. Comment by Icy — 9/13/2012 @ 11:17 am

    He really does need a teleprompter everywhere he goes.

    That was probably on the teleprompter.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  63. You have to wonder where institutions come by their money:

    “Treasuries sold off sharply, pushing the yield on benchmark 10-year Treasuries up to 1.8% from 1.72% before the Fed’s announcement of so-called QE3. Yields on 2-year, 5-year and 30-year Treasuries also rose after the announcement.

    The move out of Treasuries is a curious response from investors, since it flies in the face of what the Fed is trying to do with QE3: keep interest rates lower. For today at least, by selling out of Treasuries, investors seem to be expecting not just this round of quantitative easing but QE ad infinitum. Selling Treasuries illustrates that investors all over the world expect the U.S. central bank to remain as the buyer of last resort in the bond market.”

    QE ’til the cows are sold to slaughter means interest rates are at zero ’til 2017. That makes current notes 3 year’s or less worth less. Get rid of them.

    Let’s say ECB puts their cap at 4%, guaranteeing they’ll buy Spanish bonds bought today in a week’s time and paying 25 bps for the purchasers’ trouble?

    Bennie goes to the re-education corner again. Give up the cone, Joe.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  64. estore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/13/2012 @ 11:09 am

    Previous ambassador killed?

    I thought it was the guy in Khartoum that was killed by Yassar Arafat’s group.

    That was in 1973.

    Apparently they had Arafat ordering that, or advising that, on tape.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  65. Kman,

    Your hateful propaganda is offensive, therefore, we must condemn you. We do not consider you to be an American ally, and your reactionary criticism of the criticism of the remarks about the violent attacks demonstrates a lack of critical thinking.
    You are showing a lack of tolerance for those of us who worship facts and logic on a religious basis. Nonetheless, we wish peace be upon you. And if you fail to have peace in your life, that’s ok, too.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  66. The Bungler-in-Chief is clearly… CLEARLY… unfit for office.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  67. US has traditionally give Egypt a couple billion per to behave. Generally, this was in part military help.

    Now, the Egyptians don’t really eat much, but they want it all in liquid dinero form anyway just in case they want to raid the fridge.

    Obama admin was trying to swing this recently, don’t know how the transaction, under Congress’ nose, was turning out but I thin Morsi just turned on the gas.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  68. So that very facility in Benghazi, had been under attack in June, yet no further reinforcements were made.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  69. like I’ve always said
    O’s chickens return… to roost
    we need LEADERSHIP!

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  70. Save your breath, Elephant Stone. I challenged Kman to produce proof of his contention that government entities routinely condemn statements by private citizens with words along the lines of “We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech,” as contained in the tweet from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

    He’s got absolutely NOTHING with which to back up that assertion, and so he ran away — which is what he always does.

    Icy (d49355)

  71. Whatever happened to Qaddafi’s personal bodyguard squad?

    I’m thinking swimsuit calendar, for important journalistic purposes.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    They spent a fortune on Veet® but could not remove the back hair… teh calendar project was scrapped.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  72. White House spokesman Tommy Xtopher: “‘Ally’ is a legal term of art, b*tch.”

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  73. ‘Turner Prize winner Chris Ofili’s painting the Holy Virgin Mary is becoming a political hot potato in New York – with Hillary Clinton attacking mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s threat to withdraw funding from the gallery exhibiting it.
    Mr Guiliani has threatened to withdraw the Brooklyn Museum of Art’s annual $7m grant from the city over the Sensation exhibition, which has already appeared in London and Berlin.’

    ‘He took particular offence to Mr Ofili’s The Holy Virgin Mary, which depicts Mary with dark skin, African features and flowing robes. It also features elephant dung and cut-outs from pornographic magazines.’

    ‘Now Mrs Clinton – who, like Mr Giuliani, is widely expected to stand for the US Senate in New York – has defended the museum. “It’s not appropriate to penalise and punish an institution such as the Brooklyn Museum,” she said.’–BBC

    When Christians are the subject of this sort of thing then the right of the artist to express himself is priority one.

    Not only is it perfectly o.k. (though Ms. Clinton did say she found it personally offensive) to show such works, but the taxpayers are forced to fund it, which is exactly what happened in this case. Attempts to defund the Brooklyn Museum failed, and the taxpayers of New York City HAD to fund the museum (about one third of BMA’s expenses are paid by the city of New York).

    And, Hillary and the Dems are big fat hypocrites.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  74. Ben’s plan:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fed-folds-will-do-open-ended-mbs-buying-extends-operation-twist

    $40 Billion in MBS per month. Bet Goldman sells back the Maiden Lane II junk they bought 3 months ago for a neat profit.

    This is the week Barcky’s hopes went down the toilet.

    All Islam will be coming forward for alms, “Trick you say? Our pleasure.”

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  75. Icy:

    I challenged Kman to produce proof of his contention that government entities routinely condemn statements by private citizens with words along the lines of “We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech,” as contained in the tweet from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

    Well, yeah, Icy. I don’t know of any government entity that has used those EXACT words. Big get.

    But presidents in the past have condemned certain moviemakers, and the DoD has condemned Fred Phelps and other protesters, and the list goes on and on. Government entities can and do take a stand from time to time.

    But it’s just a huge strain to say that when any government entity condemns what a private citizen says or does, it is “apologizing for America” and/or attacking that citizen’s 1st Amendment rights.

    Kman (5576bf)

  76. Comment by Icy — 9/13/2012 @ 11:00 am

    The Ambassador to Libya was working, was he not? Then it is work-related crime, just like Hassan.

    I guess it is sad to use sarcasm at such a time, but perhaps even more sad that it is a true description of the state of affairs.

    I heard that Holder uses the Muslim name for Jerusalem. Anybody know offhand if that is true?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  77. I am sure that Kmart had the same outrage over Dogma, Piss Christ, The Book of Mormon, etc ….

    JD (16fdce)

  78. No, that’s brennan,m the Counter terror advisor

    narciso (ee31f1)

  79. Comment by narciso — 9/13/2012 @ 12:05 pm

    That was in response to my question about Holder? Heck, that is worse than had it been Holder.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  80. The world would be a safer place if big sugary sodas were banned.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  81. Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/13/2012 @ 12:13 pm

    I’m waiting for places in NYC to offer a “Buy one 16 oz soda, get a second for 20 cents” special. NY politics could be swallowed up by the anti-big-soda vs sell-big-soda lobbies.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  82. Well, yeah, Icy. I don’t know of any government entity that has used those EXACT words. Big get.
    — I did not say “exact words”, I said “along the lines of”. Don’t lie AND attempt to move the goal posts at the same time!

    But presidents in the past have condemned certain moviemakers, and the DoD has condemned Fred Phelps and other protesters, and the list goes on and on.
    — Citations, please. I’ve got time; do a thorough search.

    But it’s just a huge strain to say that when any government entity condemns what a private citizen says or does, it is “apologizing for America” and/or attacking that citizen’s 1st Amendment rights.
    — The only “huge strain” I see is your attempt to squirm out of producing ANY evidence that government entities routinely condemn statements by private citizens as ‘an abuse of the right of free speech’.

    Icy (d49355)

  83. ‘U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.’

    ‘Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”’–via PJ Media

    Well, it’s nice to know that our embassies are essentially totally undefended in a world where they’re frequently blown up or attacked by Muslim fanatics.

    Brilliant decision. Hopefully they at least have some ammo on site.

    Luckily, her life wasn’t at risk on 9/11/12, because she was in Washington, not Cairo.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  84. 74.

    Icy:

    I challenged Kman to produce proof of his contention that government entities routinely condemn statements by private citizens with words along the lines of “We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech,” as contained in the tweet from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

    Well, yeah, Icy. I don’t know of any government entity that has used those EXACT words. Big get.

    But presidents in the past have condemned certain moviemakers, and the DoD has condemned Fred Phelps and other protesters, and the list goes on and on. Government entities can and do take a stand from time to time.

    But it’s just a huge strain to say that when any government entity condemns what a private citizen says or does, it is “apologizing for America” and/or attacking that citizen’s 1st Amendment rights.

    Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 11:51 am

    See? Kman can’t defend the embassy’s tweet so he’s just making things up.

    No, Icy. And you know that’s not what happened. The embassy said — point blank — that free speech is a universal right. So it wasn’t comdemning the RIGHT to speak.

    It was condemning what was being said (which government entities do all the time).

    Please tell me that’s not too nuanced for you. I’m sure it’s not.

    Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 9:17 am

    There’s nothing nuanced about your spin. It’s so crude it enters the territory of complete falsehood. A denial of reality.

    The embassy did not condemn the film. It condemned the continued abuse of of the First Amendment to “hurt” the religious feelings of Muslims.

    In other words, it was illegitimate speech it was condemning. And by definition, that means it was saying that such speech should not be protected by the Constitution.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  85. But, hey, keep it up Kmart. Romney is the only one involved in this fiasco Obama has created that looks Presidential. Your lame attempts at spin just reinforce the point.

    Romney is supposed to have been the one to make the gaffe? Romney is supposed to be the one who shoots first, aims later?

    And you’re sticking up for the President who says Egypt is no longer an ally? That’s a classic gaffe, in that the President accidentally admitted the truth. He should know; he’s the one who forced Egypt out of the “ally” column.

    It’s a classic example of Obama shooting first, aiming later. As he missed the target (hint: Romney hit the target, forcing the Obama administration to come around to his position). That’s why Obama and his sycophants have to walk it back.

    Apparently President “you didn’t build that” is such an inarticulate speaker he needs an army of clarifiers to explain what the guy who makes Biden look like Demosthenes was really trying to say.

    The problem is, that’s par for the course for President “I don’t know the facts but the Cambridge police acted stupidly.” (That had to be walked back with a “beer summit.”)

    Video: NBC chief foreign correspondent blasts Obama’s “Egypt not an ally” statement

    TODD: I just want to get your first reaction, before you give me a report, of the President saying Egypt was not an ally or an enemy.

    ENGEL: Yeah, I almost had to sit down when I heard that. For the last forty years, the United States has had two main allies in the Middle East — Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the other ally in the Middle East being Israel. For the President to come out and say, well, he’s not exactly sure if Egypt is an ally any more but it’s not an enemy, that is a significant change in the perspective of Washington toward this country, the biggest country in the Arab world.

    This bumbling idiot in the WH has been shooting first, getting around to aiming never, since day one. The problem his “clarifiers” and apologists like you, Kman, have is that he goes on at length to explain in detail why his idiotic statements aren’t merely slips of the tongue but firm beliefs of his. As he did on Telemundo when he explained exactly why Egypt isn’t an ally.

    This President has had to “walk back” more idiocy than any other. Romney not only proved he’s up to the task, he demonstrated that Obama is not.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  86. QE3….Sounds like it’s ReFi time again.
    Wonder who’ll be first to sub-2’s?

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  87. U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement
    September 11, 2012

    The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

    Kman has to avoid the fact that the sentiment the US embassy was expressing is the same one Islamic countries enshrine in their anti-blasphemy laws.

    They also say free speech is a universal right. But it can’t be abused to insult Islam.

    The “universal right” as viewed by the US embassy and the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t protect the speech they both condemned.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  88. The ‘Bamster hates America so much he can’t remember who is supposed to be our ally, and who isn’t.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  89. The embassy did not condemn the film. It condemned the continued abuse of of the First Amendment to “hurt” the religious feelings of Muslims.

    In other words, it was illegitimate speech it was condemning. And by definition, that means it was saying that such speech should not be protected by the Constitution.

    Bwaa-hahahahahahahahahahaha!

    All you have to do is look at the embassy statement to see that they state — point blank — that speech is a universal right.

    Kman (5576bf)

  90. But their point is:

    Do as I say, not as I do; aka,
    Free speech for me, but not for thee!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  91. Valerie must not like Egypt.

    elissa (d459d3)

  92. The smartest prezzy evah prolly dint know about this:

    As The Cable’s Josh Rogin points out, in 1989 Egypt was designated by Congress to be a Major Non-NATO Ally along with Australia, Israel, Japan, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand.) Today the U.S. State department, somewhat awkwardly, re-affirmed that Egypt is an ally.
    (abc political punch)

    elissa (d459d3)

  93. All you have to do is look at the embassy statement to see that they state — point blank — that speech is a universal right

    So did the professor in USA Today editorial that thinks the film maker should be jailed. She swore she supported the 1st Amendment.

    JD (16fdce)

  94. Egypt is a Frenemy.

    JD (16fdce)

  95. Apparently his pants were nicely creased during the Telemundo interview, though, so there’s that.

    elissa (d459d3)

  96. “We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

    I’m so glad feelings aren’t on the table.

    I think one of the most attractive things about the Christian religion, ‘that Jesus died for you sins so that you might inherit life given merely that you believe this to be true’, is the fact that any self-aware being can so believe.

    Meaning that most Down’s Syndrome folk can meet the standard.

    Most murderers could conceivably meet the standard.

    But to be certain of entry into Paradise you sort of have to be both in Islam.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  97. 0 has jumped the minnow.

    htom (412a17)

  98. Kevin M:

    So,kman, do you stand behind the whiny tweets from the embassy account during the incursion. You know, the begging ones about how nice and cuddly and harmless the embassy people is and how they all love Muslims, every one?

    Kman:

    The tweets didn’t say anything like that. And that’s fine if you want to spin it that way on thie website. But the ACTUAL problems facing the President (or would-be President) require serious discussion from serious people, and Romney yesterday showed he wasn’t up to the task.

    Well, here’s the quick answer: you shouldn’t stand behind them because the Embassy deleted all the tweets Tuesday night. The State Department was embarrassed by the craven PR guy who was tweeting in the nation’s name, apparently.

    As were we, as was Romney.

    So, let me rephrase: If an embassy spokesperson is behaving like a whiny craven moron, and the administration takes a good 12 hours to get around to disapproving, should not other people who actually care about the country start saying “Hey wait a gd minute”?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  99. I think deep deep deep in its heart Egypt knows it’s not really our ally

    they’re just another food stamp whore on our tit

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  100. 99. ROTHFLMAO.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  101. AP via Gateway, Holder is in the hunt:

    “A federal law enforcement official said Thursday that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was the man behind “Innocence of Muslims,” a film denigrating Islam and the Prophet Muhammad that sparked protests earlier in the week in Egypt and Libya and now in Yemen. U.S. authorities are investigating whether the deaths of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya came during a terrorist attack.”

    Vicarious killer of OBL, off the hook.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  102. “But presidents in the past have condemned certain moviemakers, and the DoD has condemned Fred Phelps and other protesters, and the list goes on and on. Government entities can and do take a stand from time to time.”

    Kman – In fairness, I remember a military officer a while back calling Ted Rall on the carpet for an incredibly offensive cartoon about wounded soldiers. I don’t believe it was an official DOD or Pentagon call, but Rall was shaken and offended by the implied threat and censorship.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  103. Comment by elissa — 9/13/2012 @ 1:38 pm

    Everyone, or at least those that matter, knows that Teh Won is not bound by the actions of a mere Congress.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  104. Ted Rall should have had his a$$ kicked, both Royally, and non-Royally – for good measure.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  105. Since K-man is having a tough time comprehending . . . understanding . . . getting things through its head, I will use small words.

    Some dude makes a film for youtube. Muslim meatheads use this as an excuse to pitch a fit (the riots were going on before the embassy was attacked in Cairo.) The U.S. embassy in Cairo sees a bunch of butthurt savages and says to them, “You’re right, that film that some nobody made was totally off-base. Carry on with the riots.”

    The embassy took the position that the rioting barbarians were justified in their stupidity and that the filmmaker should have just kept his yap shut to not offend the whining children.

    They did not stand up for free speech. They stood up for murderous savages whose primary goal is to shut down free speech. To make matters worse, they took sides against (presumed) American citizens to do so.

    Cowardice, and you try to spin for them. Just disgraceful.

    Hadlowe (33cc56)

  106. Bwaa-hahahahahahahahahahaha!

    All you have to do is look at the embassy statement to see that they state — point blank — that speech is a universal right.

    Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 1:29 pm

    Sheer, unadulterated idiocy.

    An abuse of a right is an illegitimate use of a right. As in, the “right” of free speech does not extend to the speech they are condemning.

    Like I said, keep denying reality. It’s good for us, bad for you anti-Americans.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  107. 105. They did not stand up for free speech. They stood up for murderous savages whose primary goal is to shut down free speech. To make matters worse, they took sides against (presumed) American citizens to do so.

    Cowardice, and you try to spin for them. Just disgraceful.

    Comment by Hadlowe — 9/13/2012 @ 2:17 pm

    It’s not the size of the words that trips Kmart up, Hadlowe. It’s his contempt for the facts and the truth.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  108. Personally not on Twitter, minimally text aware but I don’t think Libs will escape awareness of the suck:

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/13/obamashambles-more-than-gaffes-utter-incompetence/

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  109. U.S. Department of State:

    Our Embassies are open for business.

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    The perpetually offended at a whim or spree,

    Come storm our embassies and get away scott free!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  110. Come storm our embassies and get away scott free!

    alt.

    Come storm our embassies with impunity?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  111. Just to underscore the obvious idiocy of Kmart’s pathetic spin, let’s stroll down memory lane. A very long, long time ago (if you’re a libtard with an intention span of a gnat, that is) to last December, the Obama administration expressed its dedication to the “universal right” of free speech. Per the LA Times:

    Criminalizing intolerance
    Op-Ed
    At a United Nations conference this week, free speech is in the cross hairs.
    December 12, 2011|By Jonathan Turley

    This week in Washington, the United States is hosting an international conference obliquely titled “Expert Meeting on Implementing the U.N. Human Rights Resolution 16/18.” The impenetrable title conceals the disturbing agenda: to establish international standards for, among other things, criminalizing “intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of … religion and belief.” The unstated enemy of religion in this conference is free speech, and the Obama administration is facilitating efforts by Muslim countries to “deter” some speech in the name of human rights.

    Criminalizing intolerance
    Op-Ed
    At a United Nations conference this week, free speech is in the cross hairs.
    December 12, 2011|By Jonathan Turley

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    This week in Washington, the United States is hosting an international conference obliquely titled “Expert Meeting on Implementing the U.N. Human Rights Resolution 16/18.” The impenetrable title conceals the disturbing agenda: to establish international standards for, among other things, criminalizing “intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of … religion and belief.” The unstated enemy of religion in this conference is free speech, and the Obama administration is facilitating efforts by Muslim countries to “deter” some speech in the name of human rights.
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    FOR THE RECORD:
    Blasphemy: The phrase “the prosecution of” was inadvertently dropped in a Dec. 13 Op-Ed about a U.N. resolution on blasphemy. The sentence should read: “While the resolution also speaks to combating incitement to violence, the core purpose behind this and previous measures has been to justify the prosecution of those who speak against religion.”

    Although the resolution also speaks to combating incitement to violence, the core purpose behind this and previous measures has been to justify those who speak against religion. The members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, or OIC, have been pushing for years to gain international legitimacy of their domestic criminal prosecutions of anti-religious speech.

    This year, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton invited nations to come to implement the resolution and “to build those muscles” needed “to avoid a return to the old patterns of division.” Those “old patterns” include instances in which writers and cartoonists became the targets of protests by religious groups. The most famous such incident occurred in 2005 when a Danish newspaper published cartoons mocking the prophet Muhammad. The result were worldwide protests in which Muslims reportedly killed more than 100 people — a curious way to demonstrate religious tolerance. While Western governments reaffirmed the right of people to free speech after the riots, they quietly moved toward greater prosecution of anti-religious speech under laws prohibiting hate speech and discrimination.

    …The OIC has hit on a winning strategy to get Western countries to break away from their commitment to free speech by repackaging blasphemy as hate speech and free speech as the manifestation of “intolerance.”

    This is why the Chief Information Officer issued those official statements condemning that Muhammad movie as an illegitimate abuse of free speech. Not speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

    Because, as a consular official residing in a Muslim country that’s a member of the OIC, he was well aware that it is Obama’s policy that such speech ought to be illegal. That such speech is not legitimate free expression protected by the Constitution.

    The Obama administration has been actively working with members of the OIC to establish international norms that would bring the Western concept of free speech in line with Muslim blasphemy laws.

    This is why the US embassy’s first reaction was to condemn the movie as an illegitimate abuse. Not legitimate free expression. This is also why although the Obama administration has pretended to distance itself from that statement, it has not said anything differently. The Obama administration simply didn’t like how the statement was received. But that is the Obama administration’s position; the “universal right” of free speech does not protect blasphemy.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  112. Sorry if that previous post went too long.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  113. The world is not a safe place and the Mediterranean less safe than most. Wanna be safe? Idahos’s the place.

    nk (875f57)

  114. So much wrong with this story starting with outing the guy for Political Reasons …

    http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-us-identifies-anti-muslim-filmmaker-144325233.html

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  115. 92. All you have to do is look at the embassy statement to see that they state — point blank — that speech is a universal right

    So did the professor in USA Today editorial that thinks the film maker should be jailed. She swore she supported the 1st Amendment.

    Comment by JD — 9/13/2012 @ 1:40 pm

    That’s what’s important about the use of the word “universal” when referring to the right of free speech. And why I linked to that Op-Ed in the LAT describing the Obama administration’s efforts to facilitate new international norms regarding free speech.

    Only the parochial American understanding of free speech protects the right to offend Muslims. The universally accepted definition that the Obama administration, the OIC, and the Muslim Brotherhood is seeking to establish does not.

    The “universal right” of free speech does not protect “hate” speech. And speech that offends Muslims will be defined as hate speech.

    Oh, one more historical tidbit, just to illustrate whose side Obama is on:

    Obama offers to meet with new Egyptian President Morsi

    By Meghashyam Mali – 07/09/12 07:58 AM ET

    President Obama has invited Egypt’s new president to meet him in New York when the United Nations General Assembly convenes in September, an administration official confirmed to The Hill.

    The invitation to Mohammed Morsi, a member of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, a group with a violent past, could raise concerns among lawmakers who have questioned continued U.S. support for Egypt.

    The Obama administration has taken steps to reach out to Morsi, arguing he is committed to the Arab Spring revolution and will respect the results of democratic elections.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is scheduled to meet Morsi on Saturday.

    The Egyptian leader’s visit to the United States was first reported by Reuters. “President Obama extended an invitation to President Morsi to visit the United States when he attends the U.N. General Assembly in September,” Egyptian aide Yasser Ali reportedly said after a meeting Sunday with U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns.

    Obama offered to meet with Morsi during the exact same time period he claims he can’t meet with Netanyahu.

    He is not on America’s side. He is not on the side of the Constitution. He is also not on Israel’s side.

    Any guesses whose side he’s on?

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  116. Other than his own?

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  117. If only our nation had elected Obama rather than McCain in 2008, the Jihadists would love us, and the embassies would not have been attacked !

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  118. Ambassadors are sacred and inviolable. It’s the responsibility of the host nation to protect them or bear the consequences. We didn’t make this up, it has always been so.

    Eight hundred years ago the Khwarezmia Emperor committed one of the greatest blunders of history by killing Genghis Kahn’s ambassador. Within a few years he was dead and the Mongols had utterly destroyed his entire empire. Great cities were simply erased, all the inhabitants killed.

    I’m not suggesting that we nuke Libya, but there must be some consequence to Benghazi. This was an act of war.

    Amphipolis (e01538)

  119. Maybe we could give Benghazi back to the Germans?

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  120. This need to forcefully defend and stand up for this nation’s constitutional first amendment rights is always important and necessary –and clearly required in light of these horrific events.

    BUT

    By the DOJ’s outing today of the film maker they’ve still got everybody focused and talking about and blaming the film for “causing” the uprising, even though that is utter BS. And when we are all talking about the film and film maker (even as relates to free speech) we are not focusing on the outrageous mid-east violence, the attacks on our embassies and consulates, the burning of our flags, the death of our Libyan Ambassador and other good men, the egregious lack of preparedness by the State Department on the 9/11 anniversary, the left’s ongoing Osama kill ball-spiking, the utter incompetence of the Obama foreign policy, the “whatevs” attitude by the president who can’t even be bothered to attend intel briefings and took off on a re-election fundraising mission, etc., etc. Yet these are the serious things that need scrutiny and addressing–not an amateurish suspiciously dubbed film that is considered by some to be “blasphemous”.

    Yesterday it was all Mitt’s “gaffe” and the film. Today it’s the film and free speech. The media and the administration are subjecting the American people to a mega and coordinated game of “look! squirrel”. We must not allow ourselves to get sucked in or fall for it just as we do not fall for the “look! squirrel” trolls who often appear on this very thread.

    elissa (d459d3)

  121. Tomorrow: Squirrels!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  122. These were planned and coordinated attacks. Period. Full stop. This nonsense about a film clip is just that. Nonsense.
    But it has been clarifying how the left has demonstrated their hatred of the 1st Amendment.

    JD (16fdce)

  123. Difficult for me to understand how, on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, America would not have our embassies and consulates on high alert around the world… ESPECIALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

    How incompetent is that?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  124. Our Ambassador to Egypt should be recalled and sh*tcanned.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  125. On a lighter note, there’s no way the Green Bay Packers can start the season 0-2.
    Sorry Chicago !

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  126. 122. Tomorrow: Squirrels!

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/13/2012 @ 3:49 pm

    Yesterday, Shiney!

    Obama has been trying to distract from the fact that he’s been working to replace our Constitutional guarantee of free speech with a universally recognized definition of free speech (hence the embassy’s wording) banning blasphemy against Islam since the year he was inaugurated.

    October 21, 2009 JONATHAN TURLEY: Obama Administration Accepts “Blasphemy” Exception to Free Speech.

    “Around the world, free speech is being sacrificed on the altar of religion. Whether defined as hate speech, discrimination or simple blasphemy, governments are declaring unlimited free speech as the enemy of freedom of religion. This growing movement has reached the United Nations, where religiously conservative countries received a boost in their campaign to pass an international blasphemy law. It came from the most unlikely of places: the United States.”

    Stuart Taylor on Obama Administration’s Endorsement of Restricting “Advocacy of Religious Hatred That Constitutes Incitement to Hostility”

    Eugene Volokh • October 30, 2009 6:31 pm

    That’s in his new National Journal column; Taylor is highly respected (by others as well as by me) and known to be quite moderate, so I hope this will bring the issue more attention. And it leads me to ask this question:

    The Obama Administration’s cosponsored U.N. Human Rights Council resolution puts it on record as urging other countries “to take effective measures, consistent with their obligations under international human-rights law, to address and combat” “any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence” (and possibly even “negative racial and religious stereotyping”). In context, this is a call for legal punishment, not just for counterspeech or social sanctions. (For more on why this is so, see my earlier post.)

    The PR flack was explicitly stating official US policy under the Obama administration when he condemned the Muhammad flick as an illegitimate abuse of a concept of free speech that the US has signed off on in international fora. Blasphemy is not protected speech. This is why the leftards are calling for people connected to this movie to be prosecuted and jailed for expressing their opinions. The left, led by Obama, are assaulting the First Amendment. They are not standing up for it as the Bush administration did when Muslims rioted over the Muhammad cartoons:

    The State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, reading the government’s statement on the controversy, said, “Anti-Muslim images are as unacceptable as anti-Semitic images,” which are routinely published in the Arab press, “as anti-Christian images, or any other religious belief.”

    Still, the United States defended the right of the Danish and French newspapers to publish the cartoons. “We vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view,” Mr. McCormack added.

    No matter how hard Kmart spins, no President has ever said or allowed his administration to take the official position that speech that offends Muslims is an abuse of a right.

    Because that means it’s not protected speech.

    Only the Obama administration has adopted the position that speech that offends Muslims is not protected speech.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  127. This is the proverbial 3AM phone call Hillary warned about during the 2008 Dhimmicrat primaries. On the other hand, as we’ve seen from the way her State Department left our embassies vulnerable due to the glaring lack of security, she wasn’t really prepared to handle the 3AM phone call, either !

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  128. AP report says this was terrorism:

    BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — Heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate, screaming “God is great!” as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building, a witness and a senior Libyan security official said Thursday.
    ***
    The attacks were suspected to have been timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strike in the United States, el-Sharef added, with the militants using the film protest by Libyan civilians to mask their action.

    It was a two-pronged attack on the consulate and the safe house, probably with assistance from local security forces.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  129. We are still at war, except for President Obama. I’m not sure about him — his idea of a military response is to send in drones.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  130. Comment by Amphipolis — 9/13/2012 @ 3:38 pm

    When the Spartans killed the Persian ambassadors in 479 BC, they knew they had messed up. They sent several Spartan youths to Xerxes as expiational sacrifices. Xerxes found it convenient to be thought a god among some of his subjects but he, himself, knew better. He sent the kids back, unharmed. King Leonidas, his bodyguard of 300, and all his auxiliaries died at Thermopylae. An earthquake reduced Sparta to 1/6th of what it was.

    nk (875f57)

  131. OT don’t be going to Drudge tonight and click on the weird sounding stories. Lessen you’re bulemic.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  132. “It was a two-pronged attack on the consulate and the safe house, probably with assistance from local security forces.

    Comment by DRJ

    That last part was confirmed by one of the victims a couple hours before his murder… but that’s probably been mentioned while I’ve been at work.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  133. Over at BlackFive they have some interesting stuff, including numerous calls from various clerics on Sept 10 to attack on Sept 11, no mention of a movie.
    http://www.blackfive.net/main/

    I didn’t see any comments on having Marines ordered to go without ammo. I would think there might be some sympathy for a soldier who said, “That’s stupid, I’m not doing guard duty in an embassy in a Muslim country on 9/11 without ammo.” Maybe they weren’t even there anymore guarding it.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  134. I meant to also say that at BlackFive they have info that suggests the official Libyan govt. had taken some precautions. Of course, it is not surprising that Libya may have factions that do not follow “official” orders.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  135. According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.
    From this article
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

    Gazzer (e53189)

  136. I wonder if the Aswan Dam and the suez Canal were to suddenly suffer some angry outrage by christian US navy pilots angry over the burning and murders of coptic’s if the Muslim Brotherhood president would still have that smug superior air permenting in his pronouncements?

    After all they were just angry, right?

    EPWJ (d84fb0)

  137. Shamelessly stolen from commenter “daddy” iver at JOM:

    Quiz Time: Spot the dummy!

    Bush: “You’re either with us or against us.”

    Obama: “I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy“.

    State Department: “Ally Is A Legal Term Of Art”

    elissa (d459d3)

  138. 129. AP report says this was terrorism:

    BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — Heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate, screaming “God is great!” as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building, a witness and a senior Libyan security official said Thursday.
    ***
    The attacks were suspected to have been timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strike in the United States, el-Sharef added, with the militants using the film protest by Libyan civilians to mask their action.

    It was a two-pronged attack on the consulate and the safe house, probably with assistance from local security forces.

    Comment by DRJ — 9/13/2012 @ 4:22 pm

    If anyone believes that, while the 9/11 assault on the consulate in Libya was a coordinated terror attack, the 9/11 assault on the US embassy in Cairo was a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video I have beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  139. Also from Gazzer’s link:

    There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: “The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs.”

    Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya’s Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. “There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet.”

    As said previously, it seems that the local “police” allowed the attack to occur (not necessarily in accord with the central government) and in at least one instance here is using the movie as an excuse.
    “They were mad about the movie, and you expected that they would do their jobs??”

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  140. President Obama is definitely at war.
    Unfortunately, he sees Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan as a bigger threat than Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  141. They attacked because there was an undefended high-value target available on a day of significance.

    I say return the favor.

    Amphipolis (e01538)

  142. Nobody better than Krautscheisster on the ME big picture:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/al-qaedastan-rising-charles-krauthammer-on-todays-mideast-turmoil-what-we-are-seeing-is-the-meltdown-the-collapse-of-obama-policy-in-muslim-world-video/

    Post-fan the feces are thwapping the Manchurian’s face.

    Oh, and the Egyptian aid package is still being batted about in Congress.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  143. 140. Whatever. The main point is they are alive today.

    400 attackers with RPG and you expect 4 guards to fight in soiled pants?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  144. 144. The gamer that died said they had 4 guards and one was taking pictures of the joint.

    These are Arabs, we’ll never know the truth.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  145. Kev said evening after tomorrow’s a New Moon. Might be a pregnant opportunity.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  146. Drudge posts link to British press story about how Obama Administration was warned a couple days in advance that there was a plot to attack embassy in Libya.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  147. As discussed above…

    Gazzer (e53189)

  148. President Obama is definitely at war.
    Unfortunately, he sees Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan as a bigger threat than Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

    Good point, stones.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  149. dereliction of duty… by this president and his pant-suit wearing pantload of a Secretary of State.

    Colonel Haiku (59db3e)

  150. In addition to the Ambassador and Sean Smith the other two Americans who died in the Benghazi attack were ex-navy Seals, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. They worked security for a private firm and were assigned to the embassy. Supposedly there are eight other staffers who were also wounded– but (probably for their safety) there seems to be little info out on their condition or wherabouts.

    elissa (d459d3)

  151. Meanwhile Bozo the Clown President can’t even get our relationship with Egypt straight. Not an ally? Only has had a special “Non NATO” ally status in law for more than two decades.

    Obama is the stupidest, most incompetent, President in my lifetime. Unbelievable.

    The Democrats were calling Bush a “cowboy” ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  152. A report from The Independent:

    According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.

    It’s still early so the reports may not be accurate, but if this is true then apparently no one in the Obama Administration answers 3:00 A.M. phone calls. Also, my guess is the intelligence came from the Israelis — or possibly the Saudis — but the article doesn’t say.

    However, the article does say sensitive papers are missing from the consulate, including the names of Libyans who are working with Americans. If so, I hope it takes the Libyans a long, long time to translate the stolen papers or figure out which ones have those names.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  153. So the administration had more specific information that the infamous PDB and did nothing …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  154. No, we don’t censor fools. We just condemn them (using more free speech). All that the embassy statement did was the latter, not the former — and the right looks silly trying to make it the other way around.

    Comment by Kman — 9/13/2012 @ 8:48 am

    I agree it wasn’t censorship. The REAL issue is: What were they trying to accomplish by doing that? It’s about incompetence not censorship. The incompetence in turn is the result of a world view which is badly out of kilter with reality.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  155. Disney better watch out. Alladin is offensive to someone.

    JD (16fdce)

  156. Obama’s foreign policy has utterly collapsed and the MSM still tries to cover up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  157. Oh, just in case you were thinking we can limit this conflict to one theatre, i.e., the one with five carrier groups tripping over each other:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/13/uh-oh-chinese-ships-sail-into-japanese-waters-near-disputed-islands/

    Remember a couple weeks back when a destroyer escort collided with a commercial ship?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  158. O’Bozos Waterloo will be Hill’s too.

    Shamelessly stolen from SPQR.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  159. it’s sometimes easy to forget how badly our food stamp whore countrymen lust for loserdom

    happyfeet (5e4920)

  160. Geez, Kman! You had all day to come up with something/anything to support your false assertion.
    So, what are ya gonna do now, vote ‘present’?

    Icy (d49355)

  161. Comment by Steve57 — 9/13/2012 @ 5:06 pm

    If anyone believes that, while the 9/11 assault on the consulate in Libya was a coordinated terror attack, the 9/11 assault on the US embassy in Cairo was a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video I have beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

    There seems to be a very strong bias somewhere in the State Department, CIA or Department of Justice against seeing organized planned conspiracies. They don’t want to find problems.

    As for the beachfront property in Nebraska, look at this

    Or, better yet, this.

    In particular, this.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

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  163. Comment by DRJ — 9/13/2012 @ 6:39 pm

    However, the article does say sensitive papers are missing from the consulate, including the names of Libyans who are working with Americans.

    They may have gotten some names out of the Ambassador before they killed him.

    If so, I hope it takes the Libyans a long, long time to translate the stolen papers or figure out which ones have those names.

    It’s not the Libyans who have that information.

    The Saudis are more likely. This was the one big success for the U.S. and democracy of the “Arab spring”

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  164. Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/13/2012 @ 5:44 pm

    Drudge posts link to British press story about how Obama Administration was warned a couple days in advance that there was a plot to attack embassy in Libya.

    So that’s why the Ambassador left Tripoli, and went to the interim consulate in Benghazi? Talk about an appointment in Samarra!

    The White House has denied that there was a warning of an attack on the Libyan consulate

    Obama spokesman: No warning of attack in Libya

    “We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

    – Jay Carney.

    This is what the Independent said, according to this USA Today article:

    “According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.”

    Americans missions

    You may be right. They were warned about the embassy, so he went to the very pro-American city of Benghazi.

    Sammy Finkelman (8c951a)

  165. 168. “We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

    – Jay Carney.

    This is what the Independent said, according to this USA Today article:

    “According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and “lockdown”, under which movement is severely restricted.”

    Americans missions

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 9/14/2012 @ 10:22 am

    As noted by the bloggers on Powerline, that non-denial denial is so tightly worded, confining itself to just actionable intelligence related to the consulate in Benghazi, it actually confirms that they had warning but did nothing.

    Don’t expect the press to ask questions about that. Or this:

    Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

    According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the “Blind Sheikh”], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

    Note the time and date:

    Posted at 4:20 pm on September 10th, 2012

    The WH is lying to our faces, and the MFM is aiding and abetting the lies by attacking Romney for telling the obvious truth.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  166. It’s strange what offends pundits.

    Romney offends pundits when he reacts reasonably to a craven USG statement.

    Obama does not offend pundits when (via Protein Wisdom) he does this:

    I’m too furious to comment on the cynical, craven, political opportunism involved with the very public reception of the bodies of the slain American diplomats being returned from overseas. It’s a show being put on for cameras, yet another nodal point of coverage the left uses to keep its mainstream media outlets filled with the images that they hope the casual voter puts together into a picture of competence, compassion, hope, and change.

    This is what a poststructural postmodern political system looks like: it cares not that you can identify its propaganda, just that it can spread it successfully faster than you can combat it.

    …As Pablo pointed out, while the bodies were being unloaded, and the maudlin spectacle was unfolding for public consumption, manufacturing the images it hopes will fill the void of unanswered questions, here’s the Tweet that went out from the President: “Winter is coming, but these sweatshirts are perfect for fall: http://OFA.BO/rj5Tns”

    Obama’s official Twitter feed was hawking Obama campaign wear during the exact moments the bodies of the ambassador and staff of the Libyan embassy were being unloaded at Andrews AFB.

    Steyn on Obama’s Las Vegas ‘performance’: ‘Every American should be ashamed of their president’ [AUDIO]

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  167. Just kidding; it’s not at all strange what Obama’s propagandists posing as journalists pretend to be offended over.

    They can only pretend as it’s impossible to offend soulless ghouls. But they are angry that anyone would run against King Putt and oppose the establishment of their one-party state fantasy. (Tom “why can’t we be more like the PRC” Friedman, anyone?)

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  168. I probably should provide a link to the Presidential tweet where he hawked campaign gear as the flag draped caskets of his DoS personnel and contractors were carried off the aircraft into the hangar.

    Barack Obama @BarackObama Winter is coming, but these sweatshirts are perfect for fall: http://OFA.BO/rj5Tns

    The only way he could have been more crass and classless would have been if he had OFA volunteers working the assembled crowd like hot dog vendors at a baseball game.

    And that would have been only slightly worse.

    But, boy, Romney sure stepped in it by reacting like a normal American to the Obama admin’s initial surrender message via the Cairo embassy, didn’t he?

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  169. Other stuff that doesn’t offend pundits:

    US-commanded MFO in Sinai under attack — dead reported in compound

    Meanwhile:

    Obama Talks ‘Crunches’ With Olympians While US Embassies Are Being Overrun (along with the aforementioned US-commanded Observer force base; but hey, American servicemen tend to vote GOP so screw them):

    President Obama spoke to Olympians on the White House lawn today and said he was “inspired to do a few more crunches” after watching Michael Phelps compete.

    As the White House ceremony for Olympians opened, Michelle Obama joked that the President promised to meet all of them, “even if it blows his schedule.”

    During this event, anti-American violence and gunfire had been reported at the US Embassy compound in Sudan.

    Newsflash: Moochelle wasn’t joking.

    Good thing our Ear Leader didn’t have to interrupt his campaign to attend to matters in the ME. That, I’m sure, is what he meant by having a “rough day” when he was yucking it up in Vegas, comparing his campaign workers to dead Embassy staffers. He did have to delay that event by 30 minutes.

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  170. More stuff that doesn’t offend the pundits:

    Japanese Government Observes Obama’s Dishonesty, Cowardice in ME, Openly Speculates He Is Full Of S*** And Can’t Be Trusted

    TOKYO – When the U.S. Defense Secretary arrives in Asia this weekend, his biggest challenge may not be convincing China that America will give its full support to longtime ally Japan in the escalating dispute over islands in the East China Sea. His biggest challenge may be convincing Japan.

    “There is a perception in Japan that the U.S. commitment is ambiguous,” says Yoichiro Sato, director of international strategic studies at Ritsumeikan Asia Pacific University in southern Japan. “If China thinks Japan will hesitate to respond or that America will hesitate, that will embolden the Chinese. It’s better that America sends a clear, explicit message now than have to respond to something worse later.”

    …“If Japan loses the islands and the U.S. doesn’t come to aid Japan, the credibility of not only the U.S. alliance with Japan but of all U.S. alliances globally would be severely harmed,” Sato says.

    Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/14/84857/#ixzz26VEL358T

    Of course, I’m not just referring to the latest round of threats to US interests, to which the Obama administration has responded by groveling, apologizing, lying, and turning on US residents and citizens who exercise their rights.

    I am obviously referring to the Obama administrations obvious policy of doing everything possible to allow Iran to go nuclear while bleating words to the effect it would be “intolerable” if Iran were to achieve the capability it is clearly permitting Iran to achieve, double crossing Israel, lying that Obama’s schedule doesn’t permit him to meet Netanyahu although he still has a meeting scheduled with the Muslim Brotherhood’s President of Egypt (and can spend an hour at a WH photo op with Olympic athletes), etc., etc.

    But, hey, Romney sure stepped in it with that statement condemning the stupid, craven DoS apology for free speech, didn’t he?

    Steve57 (b2dac8)

  171. 174. Nice catch. The current confluence of events is disconcerting, dismaying, terrifying?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  172. The trouble between China and Japan is probably related to the reappearance of presumptive new Chinese leader Xi Jinping. He’s close to the military. It’s not good. He is probably egging on Iran. I think the goal is to explode a nuclear bomb somewhere in the world on civilians and live to tell about it. This would make China’s own bomb more than a paper tiger. Ever since the days of Mao, they’ve never quite \ought into nuclear deterrence. They want someone else to go first. That’s my theory.

    China would probably be afraid to do much if they thought U.S. would react more. There are people who don’t want their comfortable lives disrupted.

    They had big arguments at their summer resort at Beidahu this August. This is where all things are decided.

    The reappearance of Xi JinPing may just be a way of not attracting attention until things are decided.

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