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9/3/2012

Are You Better Off Today Than You Were Four Years Ago?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:48 pm



I linked this in an update to the last post, but it probably deserves its own post. If Obama did anything in the last four years, then why he is saying all the same stuff in 2012 that he said in 2008?

BONUS HILARITY: You know, if it weren’t so hot, I’d explain why you’re better off.

UPDATE: Paul Ryan:

“We’re gonna hear a lot of words from Charlotte this week. But here’s the kind of words we’re not gonna hear We’re not gonna hear evidence and facts about how people are better off,” Ryan told a crowd of over 2,000 people at East Carolina University. “You see, the president cannot run on this record. He’s run out of ideas. And so that is why he’s going to be running a campaign based on envy and division, based on frustration and anger.”

. . . .

“Let me quote President Obama four years ago, ‘If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.’ Ladies and gentleman, that is exactly what Barack Obama is doing today,” Ryan said.

Yup. Watch what they do this week and you’ll see he’s right.

96 Responses to “Are You Better Off Today Than You Were Four Years Ago?”

  1. It’s an important question. Let’s see how they answer it this week.

    Patterico (83033d)

  2. There are important issues to think about but I’m not at that point yet. I’m just enjoying these videos.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3. Hey! it IS like he always says…

    Colonel Haiku (d2526a)

  4. teh Cult of Personality… teh Cult of Personality…

    Colonel Haiku (d2526a)

  5. Best. Ticket. Ever.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  6. Hey, he does change a few words around once or twice.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  7. We are better off than 4 years ago…and it’s George Bush’s fault! Oh wait, got my talking points confuzzled.

    Gazzer (c57582)

  8. YES, we shut down Guantanamo, are no longer air raiding villages and women and children, and are no longer unpopular in the Muslim world and have stopped Iran from building nuclea….

    Wait a minute

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.

    Leviticus (cd2e4b)

  10. Watch and listen to Clinton’s speech. I know your ears are already burning, and he is anxious to redeem himself for caving to Republicans who wanted to delete Glass-Steagall. You know, that legislation which created the Meltdown y’all holler about every day without a hint of accountability in your ironic and phoney concern-trolling?

    Benjamin Franklin (aee193)

  11. Trolls are so cute in their desperation.

    JD (d13ff9)

  12. Leviticus, you would think you would give up on the “Ryan lies” theme that already backfired.

    Franklin, BS from you. The one that pushed Clinton into Glass-Steagall repeal was his own Treasury secretary Rubin … same guy whose protegee is treasury secretary today. And Glass-Steagall repeal had nothing to do with financial sector meltdown. Your talking points are obsolete.

    SPQR (f10b76)

  13. Obama, 2/5/12:
    President Obama said Sunday that he deserves a second term despite suggesting in a similar interview three years ago that if he didn’t turn around the economy in three years, his presidency was going to be a “one-term proposition.’

    Who you goin’ to believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?
    I’m the President, I deserve to be the President; it’s mine, mine!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  14. You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.
    Comment by Leviticus — 9/3/2012 @ 2:31 pm

    — Bread? Your stale is here.

    Icy (e071b2)

  15. That is the bottom line. Obama failed – utterly – by the standards he set.

    SPQR (f10b76)

  16. But….but….those standards were only in effect the moment he promugated them.
    Once they passed his lips, they were Non-Op.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  17. SPQR, there is the rub this season. What is the definition of the term “lie”?

    If it is a person saying something that turns out not to be true, then the Right and the Left have to come to an agreement: telling something not the truth is a lie.

    And the Left is being odd about this. They are hypersensitive to what they define as “lies” from the Right, but strangely forgiving when a “D” appears next to a name.

    Now, I could understand it either way: all politicians lie, or everything must be in context. What I do not care for is the flexible yardstick, that is wielded in a wholly partisan fashion.

    Such as:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

    Now, I would like to take the man at his word! But watch the Leftosphere go nuts spinning at a very, very high RPM.

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  18. Oh, and on the subject of the truth, I kind of hope that this comes up during the Convention this week:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKnVr3I9q8&feature=fvwrel

    But…but…the context is important! How dare this video show disrespect and call the President a liar!

    DWS after all, said that the Left has always been respectful of prior Presidents.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57368375-503544/wasserman-schultz-blasts-priebus-for-comparing-obama-to-cruise-ship-captain-francesco-schettino/

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  19. Personally, I will be better off four beers from now.

    Icy (e071b2)

  20. Yeah, Icy, but when you sober up, Obama will still be President.

    Stay drunk, my friend, stay very drunk.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  21. Oh, I’m sure he’s got plenty of ideas.

    The problem is that they’re all WRONG.

    Jcw46 (b4329c)

  22. Where would we be without white, liberal Democrats to inform us that the GOP is too white? Maureen Dowd … Chris “tingles” Matthews … Ed Schultz … Maddow …. Olbermann … etc.

    SPQR (f10b76)

  23. Watch and listen to Clinton’s speech. I know your ears are already burning, and he is anxious to redeem himself for caving to Republicans who wanted to delete Glass-Steagall. You know, that legislation which created the Meltdown y’all holler about every day without a hint of accountability in your ironic and phoney concern-trolling?

    The repeal of Glass-Steagall did not cause the financial meltdown of 2008. If you look at what actually happened, there was nothing in Glass-Steagall which would have prevented the meltdown. Glass-Steagal applied to commercial banks, but the ones that collapsed were commercial banks, and not covered under Glass-Steagall.

    Blaming the repeal of Glass-Steagall for the financial meltdown is a bit like blaming Boy Scout camp fires for global warming.

    Chuck Bartowski (da57d4)

  24. Oops, I meant:

    “….the ones that collapsed were investment banks….”

    Sorry about that.

    Chuck Bartowski (da57d4)

  25. “Glass Steagall repeal” is the mantra of the terminally economically illiterate, Chuck. It won’t go away because the stupid still want to blame the financial sector crisis of ’07 and ’08 on evil “banksters” and Republicans – not understanding that the over-extension of mortgage backed securities was a scam that fed bipartisan corruption over decades. Corruption that Democrat stalwarts made sure to have a good taste – Chris Dodd, Rangel, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick et al.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  26. The “bankers” to blame were all politically connected employees of the GSE’s (Fannie, Freddie, and FHFA), and the Barons on The Hill that protected them.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  27. You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.
    Comment by Leviticus

    The Dims talking about a faulty recollection of a running time from 22 years ago shows how thin their gruel is.

    Colonel Haiku (3fa4a2)

  28. From the “Tales Of Bravery” files… Fido… I salute you!

    http://t.co/ZL2ayrku

    Colonel Haiku (3fa4a2)

  29. They never do explain how the G-S repeal, would lead there, whereas the CRA revision, Obama’s lawsuit against CitiBank, the DOJ pressures on institutions, certainly contributed.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  30. Yes, and of the 160+ plaintiffs that The Lightworker represented, only 16 IIRC still have their house, and haven’t gone BK – in other words, they are the tiny minority who have played by the rules in this matter.

    So, when our President is looking for someone to blame for the housing meltdown, he can start by looking into his own mirror.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  31. “So, when our President is looking for someone to blame for the housing meltdown, he can start by looking into his own mirror.”

    AD – Community organizing and activist groups such as ACORN Housing lobby for government grants to advise people on mortgages they cannot afford after blackmailing financial institutions into making such mortgage loans.

    After their customers default, community organizing and activist groups such as ACORN Housing lobby for government grants to advise people on restructuring the mortgages they could not afford.

    Community Organizing activist scamsters 2
    Financial Institutions 0
    Public 0

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  32. Hmmm. Let’s ask Clint:

    Clint Eastwood Super Bowl ad made Obama’s day – source, http://www.politico.com

    Auto industry lives. Bin Laden’s dead.

    DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.

    And you say you’re not funny?!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  33. 33. Auto industry lives.

    Comment by DCSCA — 9/3/2012 @ 5:46 p

    Now, that’s funny.

    Or, err, it would be if GM wasn’t heading for a second bankruptcy.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  34. Well in part thanks to that Cash for Clunkers program, where perfectly good vehicles were destroyed, so people could incur more debt, not to mention the thriving dealerships that were closed
    by the auto taskforce, or the exploding Volts,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  35. #12
    Franklin, BS from you. The one that pushed Clinton into Glass-Steagall repeal was his own Treasury secretary Rubin … same guy whose protegee is treasury secretary today. And Glass-Steagall repeal had nothing to do with financial sector meltdown. Your talking points are obsolete.

    Comment by SPQR — 9/3/2012 @ 2:47 pm

    the reason for the financial meltdown was a consequence of having too too much money to lend which resulting in what else – overleveraging – and the resulting meltdown. all the other causes cited by the pundits were just ancillary to having too much money to lend – blame greenspan and no one else.

    joe (93323e)

  36. The auto industry lives!

    CarGurus: Is a Foreign-Owned Chrysler Still American?

    I hope you’re practiced in your philosophy, because here’s a question that could throw you for a loop:

    If a foreign company owns 70 percent of an American automaker, should that automaker still be considered “American”?

    A news story that surfaced last week seems to have skidded under a good majority of the blog-o-sphere’s radar: Fiat, it seems, is well on track to owning a full 70 percent of Chrysler. While that’s great news for improving Auburn Hills’ lineup, it turns Chrysler into little more than another Hyundai: American-built cars from a headquarters across the Atlantic.

    There’s a lot that would have to happen for the 70 percent stake to become reality, but it could all fall into place within the next year. See if you can follow this:

    Fiat owned about 30 percent of Chrysler before buying another 16 percent for over a billion dollars. Its current ownership stands at about 46 percent.

    It can go to 56 percent as a reward for selling a 40-mpg car made in the U.S., a deal made under the original bankruptcy deal with the Obama administration. CEO Sergio Marchionne says that should happen this year, probably with the rebadged Fiat 500 for Dodge.

    Yeah, America!

    Steve57 (40573d)

  37. “Are You Better Off Today Than You Were Four Years Ago?”

    I would be…if the welfare state wasn’t robbing me blind.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  38. “The auto industry lives!”

    That’s swell…if your big dream in life is to be forced to lend them money, at the point of a gun, and not get a single thing out of it in return. No dividend check, no piece of the action…nada.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  39. Predictably, Disco Stu fails to mention gas & food prices — and the deficit — and the unemployment rate — and the surge in disability claims.

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  40. 39. “The auto industry lives!”

    That’s swell…if your big dream in life is to be forced to lend them money, at the point of a gun, and not get a single thing out of it in return. No dividend check, no piece of the action…nada.

    Comment by Dave Surls — 9/3/2012 @ 6:02 pm

    Now, don’t be ungrateful to St. Obama, healer of the planet, He who lowers the ocean tides, and is Savior of the auto industry.

    Well, ok, not Ford. He had nothing to do with Ford because unlike GM and Chrysler it wasn’t horribly mismanaged.

    So, he is St. Savior of 2/3 of the auto industry. Except given the way the Chrysler deal, he had the US taxpayer save Chrysler for the Italians.

    Well, at least he is St. Savior of 1/3 of the auto industry. For later. When the UAW it needs another bailout.

    Hey, what the hell kind of Church is this anyway, David “CSC” Axelrod?

    Steve57 (40573d)

  41. 40. Predictably, Disco Stu fails to mention gas & food prices — and the deficit — and the unemployment rate — and the surge in disability claims.

    Comment by Icy — 9/3/2012 @ 6:16 pm

    It’s a small price to pay for the privilege of slaving away until you’re 80, only being able to “retire” when they close the lid on your box and start shoveling dirt over it, so you can underwrite union pensions.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  42. From President Obama’s re-election campaign…wow.

    Creating and saving American jobs: The month President Obama took office, we lost 839,000 private sector jobs. Now, we’ve experienced 29 straight months of private sector job growth, with businesses creating over 4.5 million jobs during that time. After 13 straight years of losing manufacturing jobs, we are now seeing the strongest 30-month period of manufacturing job growth since June 1989. Thanks to the President’s decision to rescue the American auto industry, we not only saved more than a million jobs up and down the supply chain, but American auto companies have repaid their outstanding loans, are now making record profits, and are leading an auto industry that has added about 250,000 jobs since the end of the recession. Knowing that small businesses are the engines of job growth, President Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 18 times and supported more than 150,000 loans to small businesses so they can expand and hire more workers.

    More to do: Despite Republican obstruction in Congress, the President continues to push his plan to create jobs now by keeping teachers and first responders on the job, putting construction workers back to work, and giving tax cuts to small businesses that invest and hire.

    Dana (292dcf)

  43. Rebadging….
    Can’t wait for the new Chrysler Ultra-300 – a rebadge Maserati Quattroporte.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  44. Hey, what the hell kind of Church is this anyway, David “CSC” Axelrod?

    Ask and you shall receive. I checked out AoSHQ ONT, and I had to link to the original article. You won’t believe this crap. I didn’t; that’s why I had to check it out for myself.

    FALSANI:
    Do you believe in sin?
    OBAMA:
    Yes.
    FALSANI:
    What is sin?
    OBAMA:
    Being out of alignment with my values.

    Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz25SdrDHlv

    No wonder he thinks so little of conservatives; we’re out of alignment with his values.

    St. Savior of 1/3 of the Auto Industry until the Second Coming of the Holy Bailout wants you all to know you’re going to hell if you don’t vote for him.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  45. Leave 0bama alone!

    http://youtu.be/jdtUZhz_oGg

    Colonel Haiku (e48373)

  46. 33. “DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.”

    Oh that’s great, silly goose, tempt fate.

    It’s downhill on the black diamond course thru the election for the S&P.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  47. 44. Rebadging….
    Can’t wait for the new Chrysler Ultra-300 – a rebadge Maserati Quattroporte.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/3/2012 @ 6:36 pm

    Grazie a Santo Obama per la macchina Americano!

    Steve57 (40573d)

  48. Americana.

    Scusi. Ho dimenticato molto.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  49. DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.

    Labor force participation rate on 1/20/09: 65.7%
    Labor force participation rate on July 2012: 63.7% (the lowest rate in 30 years)

    You lose.

    Another Chris (e14d9e)

  50. You are a moron, DCSCA. In no sense is the Dow Jones Industrial Average, an index based on a weighted average of the stock prices of 30 blue chip stocks, a measure of economic performance.

    And the auto industry does not “live”, GM is on the edge of returning to bankruptcy, Chrysler is owned by Italians and only Ford, which was the least subsidized of the Big 3, is barely making even.

    A complete moron.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. SPQR, you know DCSCA’s history on this blog—and so does he. He is an ignorant wannabe poseur, and has been shamed more than I see on the dogshaming.com website.

    Except that, rather than wearing a sign that says “Panini Thief,” he has to wear a sign that reads “Caught Telling Lies About Myself.”

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  52. Here is the correct link for that site:

    http://dog-shaming.com/

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  53. So, yes, we need a troll shaming site.

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  54. Simon Jester, DCSCA earned the title: “International Man of Parody”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  55. I can’t really remember which of us coined it at this time, so I don’t know if I should take credit or not.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. Not sure. Daley or JD?

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  57. DCSCA @ 33 gave me an idea for a Romney ad campaign.

    They can show this picture with the caption “a message from President Obama’s new Choom Gang.” It then fades away as the Obama surrogate fades in and makes a BS claim like the IMP.

    Then a voice over, “they must be on drugs.”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  58. R.I.P. Michael Clarke Duncan

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  59. “Not sure. Daley or JD?”

    Simon – It was not me. Go for it!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  60. 33. “DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.”

    DCSCA – Obama didn’t do that, other people did, moron.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. —–You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.

    Nope, it aint gonna happen. You lefties are not going to do the big repeated lie thing because you no longer control all communication. Ryan was exactly right about what Obama said about the GM plant IN HIS OWN DISTRICT. He was right about when it shut down.

    You may have to run on Obama’s crappy record.. too bad.

    red (7b5f67)

  62. DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.

    …. I guess the super wealthy are happy to have him as POTUS.

    But frankly, Obama has buried the fact that if you add 7MM people who magically no longer in the work force, the amount of unemployed would be about 20MM and the unemployment rate would be around 15%.

    That is all on Obama.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  63. 62.

    —–You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.

    Nope, it aint gonna happen. You lefties are not going to do the big repeated lie thing because you no longer control all communication. Ryan was exactly right about what Obama said about the GM plant IN HIS OWN DISTRICT. He was right about when it shut down.

    You may have to run on Obama’s crappy record.. too bad.

    Comment by red — 9/3/2012 @ 8:22 pm

    And the video to back it up:

    Video PROOF of Obama’s empty promise to Janesville plant, vindicating Paul Ryan

    The transcript:

    Hundreds of people have found new work, and unemployment has been cut in half.

    This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors has been going through some bad news lately, and I know how hard your Governor has been fighting to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made – how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out. And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. So, that’s our priority.

    But it’s gonna take some work. And we can’t be threatened by that future, we can’t stop that future. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it is coming. The question is where will it thrive and I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; I want it to thrive right here in Janesville, Wisconsin. And that’s the future I will fight for as President of the United States of America.

    The defense of Obama is always that he didn’t mean what he said.

    That I knew.

    But then, what Obama says is always designed to mislead people.

    Obama’s sleight-of-hand goes to convention

    Obama’s pattern is this: Make a promise; break the promise; insist that you’ve kept the promise, and hope the press gives you a free pass. When called out, resort to absurd word parsing. This is how Obama campaigns, and it is how he governs.

    It’s always been his pattern, even when he was in the Illinois legislature. Get a concession from someone now for an I.O.U. on a concession he promises to make later. As for the rest, see the above.

    It’s a tired old act.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  64. DJIA on 1/20/09: 7949.
    DJIA on 9/3/12: 13090.

    That’s not people betting on Obama.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  65. Really, if anyone sits back and thinks about it, there is not one thing better today than four years ago. Nothing.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  66. All consumer goods are up. My wage is less now than it was 4 years ago. 86 barry.

    mg (44de53)

  67. 9. You’d think Ryan would stop talking about “running” and “facts” for the time being.

    Comment by Leviticus — 9/3/2012 @ 2:31 pm

    Yeah, if only he were as virtuous as the DNC, which is tasking the sycophantic media to call Bank of America stadium “Panther stadium.” Even though it’s not called “Panther stadium” in real life. It’s named Band of America stadium. But it doesn’t play well to the base to hold Obama’s coronation in Bank of America stadium, so to make the scene more palatable they’re making up a fake name (and the “fact-checkers” are playing along).

    Or our can’t-tell-a-lie Preezy, who told George Stephanopoulos that his mandate wasn’t a tax. Then had his Solicitor General argue that it was a tax. Then, after Roberts agreed with the Obama administration, revert back to saying it’s not a tax.

    Our totally honest, un-Ryan like Preezy, who said in Charlottesville VA:

    I mean, somebody was challenging one of their ads — they made it up — about work and welfare. And every outlet said, this is just not true. And they were asked about it and they said — one of their campaign people said, we won’t have the fact-checkers dictate our campaign. (Laughter.) We will not let the truth get in the way. (Laughter.)

    Quoting this guy, Neil Newhouse (and just because the reporter didn’t put the words in quotes, it was a quote as the President phrased it:

    “Fact checkers come to this with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs, and we’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers,” he said. The fact-checkers — whose institutional rise has been a feature of the cycle — have “jumped the shark,” he added after the panel.

    See, our Preezy doesn’t play fast and loose with the truth, when he quotes someone he makes sure that…

    Oh. wait.

    The Preezy made that “we will not let the truth get in the way” part up entirely.

    And, uhh, you’re worried about Ryan and the time it takes for him to run a marathon.

    Got it Leviticus, you truth lover you.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  68. You know this was curious in light of what happened almost a month later;

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/08/19/george-soros-loves-lehman-brothers.aspx

    narciso (ee31f1)

  69. 66. Really, if anyone sits back and thinks about it, there is not one thing better today than four years ago. Nothing.

    Comment by Ag80 — 9/3/2012 @ 9:16 pm

    Racist!

    Steve57 (40573d)

  70. NBC’s Chuck Todd Follows Obama’s ‘Bank of America’ Talking Points

    Obama’s Bank of America talking points are designed to deceive (mostly Democratic/liberal) voters and support their fake class warfare meme.

    But Leviticus thinks Ryan and his running times are “The Big Lie.”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  71. I’ll tell you who’s better off than 4 years ago. Barry, that’s who. Allegedly Moochelle’s mom is bragging around town that they are moving to a $35M mansion in Hawaii in January.
    Let’s hope so.

    Gazzer (c57582)

  72. Man of the people.

    Cher, George Clooney, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Anna Wintour, editor-in-chief of Vogue, and the rest of the trailer park crowd will tell you that.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  73. In other news:
    John Burton, the chairman of the California Democratic Party, has apologized for comparing Republicans to Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels

    — Teh New Civility continues apace.

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  74. DJIA….Isn’t that a forward looking number?

    But, what is so good about 13,090?
    The Dow is only up 700pts since the 1st of Jan – that sounds more like “malaise” than growth.
    All of that growth since ’09 has been fueled by the easy-money at the Fed.
    Eventually, the Piper will have to be Paid – well, we’re paying it now with the drastically devalued Dollar, resulting in the high price of oil in a stagnant economy.
    If the Fed goes into QE-3, that will further devalue the Dollar, drive the price of oil even higher, and just kill any kind of growth in the economy.
    If you think it’s tough trying to survive with $4 gas, wait until Helicopter-Ben drives it over $5!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  75. 74. In other news:
    John Burton, the chairman of the California Democratic Party, has apologized for comparing Republicans to Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels

    – Teh New Civility continues apace.

    Comment by Icy — 9/3/2012 @ 10:59 pm

    As does teh fearless truth telling:

    Democrats Start Convention By Going Crazy

    “First of all,” he continued, “you’ve got Republicans who truly believe the Earth is flat, so I don’t know exactly what, you know, what’s going to do, but they, I think that when people figure out that these people say they do not care about the truth and they will lie and they don’t care if they lie because it doesn’t matter if they lie.”

    Fake Cherokee Elizabeth Warren was heard to shout “Word! There’s nothing those rethuglicans won’t lie about to get elected.”

    Joe Biden agreed, saying “Ryan can’t even quote people accurately.” The nation’s foremost expert on quoting people accurately continued, “that’s a big f*****g deal! You just don’t forget certain things about your own past.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  76. 75. Well said.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  77. Ryan is obviously unfit to be Veep because he screwed up on how fast he ran a marathon 22 years ago.

    He just doesn’t have the moral fiber of Slow Joe “gon put y’all back in chains” Bidenopoulos, who has the wit and wisdom to make the US “lead the world in the 20th Century in making automobiles.”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  78. Was it Luntz who claimed focus group testing demonstrated Democrats claiming economic progress were disastrous? With an extremely negative reaction from the focus group?

    Maybe this will be a landslide election after all.

    Brad (739001)

  79. The Great Unifier:

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/occupy-freaks-interrupt-charlotte-labor-day-parade-obama-is-a-f-traitor/

    Who knew Peter Fonda, Occupiers and me could agree on anything?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  80. I will gladly take credit for coining “International Man of Parody”

    JD (56f3db)

  81. No, that was Carville, I believe.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  82. …Republicans who wanted to delete Glass-Steagall. You know, that legislation which created the Meltdown y’all holler about every day without a hint of accountability in your ironic and phoney concern-trolling?

    All Glass-Steagall did was allow a commercial bank to also do investment banking/brokerage. That doesn’t cause trillions in mortgages that should never have been lent. It had zippo to do with it.

    If removal of the Glass-Steagall restrictions was the cause of the mess then the fact that the humongous Dodd-Frank bank reform bill didn’t reinstate them is very curious. Did they just forget about it?

    Gerald A (f26857)

  83. About the Obama improving economy message, I should clarify.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  84. 79. Was it Luntz who claimed focus group testing demonstrated Democrats claiming economic progress were disastrous? With an extremely negative reaction from the focus group?

    Maybe this will be a landslide election after all.

    Comment by Brad — 9/4/2012 @ 12:10 am

    Worse. For them. It was Public Policy Polling. Carville’s and Greenberg’s outfit:

    Dem Pollster: Voters Don’t Think America’s Back

    Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg is out with a must-read polling memo this morning, which offers some eye-opening advice to President Obama and his re-election team. After testing several of the president’s economic messages, he finds the argument that the economy is back on the right track polls miserably – and “produces disastrous results.”

    “It is weaker than even the weakest Republican message and is 10 points weaker in intensity than either Republican message,” Greenberg wrote. “A third said this message made them less likely to support Barack Obama. Alarmingly, this message barely receives majority support among self-identified Democrats – and even less support among all other groups.”

    Now, not only is the Obama administration going with the message that “America’s Back!” The Obama campaign is going to see that bet and raise it with “Absolutely we’re better off then we were four years ago!”

    I believe they are quadrupling down on stoooopid because they’ve decided that they are wizards of wordsmithing, hypnotists really, who can make us perceive what they want us to perceive through sheer willpower. And President Barack “57 states” Obama’s and Joe “what state am I in again?” Biden’s mad communications skills.

    You are getting very sleepy. You will not remember we told you, no, we’re not better off by the end of the week.

    The Obama campaign is scrambling to regain its footing, and party strategists predict that the Sunday-show flubs will be forgotten by week’s end. “Speeches by Clinton and Obama will be just what the doctor ordered,” said veteran communications strategist Doug Hattaway, referring to the former president, who is slotted for Wednesday night, and the current one, who will accept the nomination on Thursday.

    But the display on TV had to be less than reassuring for Democrats, particularly since two of those who struggled with the question—senior White House adviser David Plouffe and chief campaign strategist David Axelrod—would theoretically be the coaches preparing top-tier surrogates such Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, who answered “No” on Sunday when asked if the country is doing better than it was four years ago.

    The Romney campaign has to feel like Admiral Togo did back in 1905 (to play along with the liberal meme that the GOP is going to take us waaay back) when he realized the idiot Russians (that’d be the libs) were actually going to come on, sail into his trap, and let him cross the T (it’s not easy to work in a Battle of Tsushima metaphor, usually).

    These people are delusional. They actually think people will forget what they said on TV. Like the Romney campaign won’t think of using that material in a commercial.

    This paragraph will give you an idea how this crafty plan is likely to work.

    One longtime party operative who receives talking points from the campaign said that the two latest sets of guidance, on Sunday and Monday, did not include anything specific about the “better off” question. The thrust instead was looking forward and discussing what Obama would do that Republican nominee Mitt Romney would not do, said the operative, an Obama ally who sought anonymity in order to frankly discuss the documents.

    The stepford surrogates didn’t have any specific talking points on this trick question. They got caught off guard.

    I thought brain-dead DWS was an anomaly. She’s actually the bright one amongst the surrogates.

    When I count to three, you will wake up and believe you are better off. One.. Two…

    Steve57 (40573d)

  85. Like the Romney campaign won’t think of using that material in a commercial.

    Oh, I forgot. The Obama campaign is counting on the MFM to cover for them. If the Romney campaign uses that footage in a commercial, the MFM will say it’s “out of context.” PropagandFact will give it four pinocchios and call it a lie because, because, just cuz!

    Oh, and bonus comment:

    The thrust instead was looking forward and discussing what Obama would do that Republican nominee Mitt Romney would not do

    The answer to that is golf. Mitt Romney would not golf a zillion times.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  86. I recall when Dobbs of the Washington Post, denounced McCain for an ad based on his own reporting,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  87. A related question: Who is better off as a result of Obama’s policies?

    Certainly not anyone working in the private sector, excluding green energy opportunists who bundled campaign contributions for President Food Stamp.

    ropelight (4e58ee)

  88. Good news for Obama. According to this poll:

    Fifty-two percent of likely voters say the nation is in “worse condition” now than in September 2008, while 54 percent say Obama does not deserve reelection based solely on his job performance.

    Only 31 percent of voters believe the nation is in “better condition,” while 15 percent say it is “about the same,” the poll found. Just 40 percent of voters said Obama deserves reelection.

    31% of Americans do think we’re better off.

    So he, Biden, and Axelrod only have to tell about 70% of Americans they’re stupid.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  89. Biden reminds me of that line from “Romy and Michelle’s High School Reunion:”

    “I’d love to tell you why we’re better off but I just cut my foot and my shoe is filling with blood.”

    CrustyB (69f730)

  90. This comparison of what Obama said in 2008 and 2012 is great. The rhetoric hasn’t changed.

    With many things, you could go back 30 years or 40 years opr 50 years.

    Jam tomorrow, but nevr jam today.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  91. IN Detroit on Monday, in Detroit on Monday, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said:

    “You want to know whether we’re better off?” He answered: “I’ve got a little bumper sticker for you: Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.”

    I heard that before already.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  92. 85. By now internal polling has told the WH they are going to lose and nothing they’ve tried hasn’t backfired.

    They’re just hoping to get thru the week appearing to be giving it a valiant effort.

    At some point, B4 the money’s gone, they’ll just fold up the kiosk and melt away.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  93. I just hope that it isn’t legal to sign Presidential Pardons with an auto-pen !

    Has anyone “mysteriously” donated several hundred auto-pen machines to our First Occupant yet ?

    Alasdair (64f66f)

  94. Monday while watching CNN, I was inspired to create this video to share my personal story after 4 years of President Obama.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4g2GTxpy4&feature=plcp

    TGibson (f9e4e2)

  95. Thanks so much for the article post.Really thank you! Really Cool.

    Blake Perron (672b35)


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