Patterico's Pontifications

Is there a single credible pundit who lives in the real world who supports this guy? One person of any note who thinks that what we need is loser politicians stomping on their privates constantly?

Patterico (83033d) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:45 am

Sometimes the the absolute selfishness and grasping nature of people who gravitate towards political power is breathtaking.

What an absolute weasil he has turned out to be.

rumcrook (e1b5c1) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:46 am

Is it true that the Demcrats spent 1.5 million bucks supporting this human Weeble?

Simon Jester (da9b7b) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:46 am

No, I can’t think of anyone notable who’s defending this clown. When even Mark Levin won’t defend you against “RINOs”, you know you’re done for.

radar (257ad5) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:58 am

Fact: Sane and rational people in either party have no one to vote for for in the 2012 U.S.senate race in MO. And indies are supposed to decide between McCaskill and Akin?

Putting yourself in the position to be the star of incendiary Dem campaign videos which will be shown nationally? Priceless, Mr. Akin. Excellent thinking Mr. Akin. Whether we want you or not–whether your idiotic position represents Republican thinking– you have now been anointed “our” spokesman and every team R candidate in the land will have to publicly scrape you off the bottom of their shoe.

elissa (6fc3ac) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:05 am

Claire McCaskill must support his ideas, because she’s helped fund his campaign and she wants him to stay in the race. She’s his personal Sarah Palin, she’s his kingmaker.

MayBee (a1dde3) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:15 am

Is it true that the Demcrats spent 1.5 million bucks supporting this human Weeble?

According to the WaPo, likely based on campaign funding reports. and/or ad buys.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:24 am

He is now running as a pro-life insurgent against the godless national Republicans.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:25 am

Comment by Patterico — 8/22/2012 @ 7:45 am

Is there a single credible pundit who lives in the real world who supports this guy? One person of any note who thinks that what we need is loser politicians stomping on their privates constantly?

John Podhoretz thinks Akin staying in is not good for the country (or the anti-abortion rights cause) but it’s the right decision for Akin.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/08/21/akins-crime-against-pro-lifers/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_gop_akin_heart_soJ0Uq1YhxBpjpmSZt1loK

First, there’s no going quietly or with dignity any longer. If he falls on his sword, he will be acknowledging his own disgrace — and doing so in a hyperactive media world that offers everything but forgiveness. He will be remembered for nothing save his remark and his ignominious departure. His name will be associated with Democratic liberal glee and conservative Republican embarrassment.

Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:27 am

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The guy is an idiot and he is delusional.

From a tactical standpoint, if he’s perceived as being too rightwing for Missouri and internal polling indicates he will certainly lose the election — and that an alternative Republican would have a better chances of winning — then, yep, he’s guilty of hubris and a bloated ego to believe his staying in the race won’t hurt the overall goal of the Republicans retaking the Senate. But when it comes to his stance on abortion, his mea culpa in the interview came off perfectly fine to me.

I personally can’t get up in arms about the issue of abortion. It’s not like that issue is legally ambiguous and borderline, or similar to current, ongoing trends regarding, for example, illegal immigration or same-sex marriage—where the current, ongoing momentum continues to be “do your own thang” and “anything goes.”

Mark (de1ee4) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:39 am

why does he keep referring to himself as “we”?

he’s mentally ill, and that’s a problem for me

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:42 am

“Is there a single credible pundit who lives in the real world who supports this guy?”

Patterico – As of Sunday night, before national Republican heavy breathers weighed in, Dana Loesch and Jim Hoft, both Missouri bloggers were supporting Akin. Loesch had Akin had on her radio show yesterday. I did not listen. Hoft is reporting on the continuing controversy.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:43 am

Is Akin the embodiment of the proverbial Missouri Mule?
He seems to be stubborn as all get-out, and it just might take a whack from a 2×4 between the eyes to get his attention.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:50 am

If I gave a hoot about about the Republican Party or whichever particular hog snuffles at the public trough …. I like his pro-life stance, I don’t like his incoherence, or his pronouncements on women.

Romney and Ryan should have stayed out of the debate. Totally. Their squishiness on the issue is known — no need to emphasize it.

I don’t know why their willingness to throw him under the buses (sic) is worse than his willingness to splash a little pro-life mud on them.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:51 am

He’d make a great Democrat nominee for Vice President given their history of picking such.

SPQR (26be8b) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:52 am

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both Missouri bloggers were supporting Akin.

I’m too lazy right now to learn more of the details of the political scene in Missouri, so I don’t know what the alternative is. But if there is another Republican candidate waiting in the wings to replace Akin — and that individual would be competitive against the Democrat — then he should defer to that person.

Mark (de1ee4) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:54 am

Sane and rational people in either party have no one to vote for for in the 2012 U.S.senate race in MO. And indies are supposed to decide between McCaskill and Akin?

On yesterday’s Greta/FoxNews Show, Sarah Palin was talking up an indy run by Sarah Steelman in the General Election.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:54 am

Why aren’t the Democrats equally upset over their nuttier Tennessee senatorial candidate? Are they OK with gay hating anti-black-helicopter candidates?

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:00 am

I dunno. Every Senate needs a delusional idiot or two, and the current Senate has been at least a quart short since Joe Biden became Vice President. This guy is a rather rigid cucumber with ears, but he’ll fit right in next to Babs Boxer and Harry Reid.

Yes he won’t step down after stepping in it. Yes he will hurt the national ticket a bit. But no one really say whether this was the moment that Akin lost his campaign in Missouri or cost the GOP the national election. Heck he may be sitting just a couple of seats away from Dingy Harry in Feburary 2013.

The rending of garments and wailing may be a bit premature.

Comanche Voter (29e1a6) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:08 am

There are a lot of very intelligent people (He was an IBM Engineer) who hold odd views. Prominent among these are fundamentalist Christians and global warming hysterics. Hugh Hewitt, a very sharp guy and radio personality, believes in literal interpretation of the Bible, six days and all. Akin is an example. When you support such people in politics, you tun the risk of them going off the reservation on hobbyhorse like this. They have to learn to stop answering the trick questions designed bring out such views.

Mike K (326cba) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:09 am

“On yesterday’s Greta/FoxNews Show, Sarah Palin was talking up an indy run by Sarah Steelman in the General Election.”

AD – Using Kevin M. logic, 70% of the primary voters pulled the lever against Steelman earlier this month. Also, apparently Missouri has a sore loser law which would prohibit her from making an indy run.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:22 am

The Family Research Council backs Akin. Bryan Fischer backs him. The most recent poll showed him a bit ahead. That was criticized as being gamed. Politico has the pollster’s response.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/08/ppp-we-didnt-game-the-akin-poll-132795.html

Here’s a short history of ‘God’s Little Shield”
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/akin-not-the-first-a-short-history-of-the-false-no-pregnancy-from-rape-theory.php
“In 1988, Stephen Freind, a state representative in Pennsylvania, defended his no-exceptions anti-abortion stance — as Akin was doing Sunday — by claiming that it was virtually impossible for a woman who is raped to become pregnant.
“The odds are one in millions and millions and millions,” Freind said in a debate in March of that year. “And there is a physical reason for that.”
Freind said that women possess a “certain secretion” that kills sperm.…
Seven years later, a state legislator in North Carolina championed the same theory. Henry Aldridge, a Republican state representative, argued for the elimination of a public fund to help poor women pay for abortions by using a similar argument.
“The facts show that people who are raped — who are truly raped — the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work and they don’t get pregnant,” Aldridge told the House Appropriations Committee. “Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever.”…
In 1998, Republican Arkansas state Rep. Fay Boozman botched his own Senate bid against Sen. Blanche Lincoln when he said at a rally that pregnancy resulting from rape was rare. He denied having used the phrase “God’s little shield,” according to the Washington Post.
The next year, Mike Huckabee, then governor of Arkansas, appointed his good friend Boozman to lead the state’s Health Department. Upon becoming health director, Boozman apologized for the comments, saying they were “not statistically based.”
Huckabee, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape, endorsed Akin in the Missouri primary.”

Congressional Republicans last year tried to revise federal abortion law to refer not to “rape” but only to “forcible rape”.

Why is that?

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:25 am

Pregnancy from rape is rare where there are emergency rooms with a morning after pill or a shot of methotraxate. Now show us your medical license.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:35 am

I also understand that pregancy can be prevented if the victim consumes the rapist’s testicles, lightly browned with garlic and shallots, a little salt and pepper, simmered with a few ozs. of white wine, while he watches.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:38 am

“Why is that?”

still sleeeeepy – Doesn’t TPM have the answer?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:40 am

Comment by still sleeeeepy — 8/22/2012 @ 9:25 am

In 1998, Republican Arkansas state Rep. Fay Boozman botched his own Senate bid against Sen. Blanche Lincoln when he said at a rally that pregnancy resulting from rape was rare. He denied having used the phrase “God’s little shield,” according to the Washington Post.

Which means, the Arkansas Democrats probably lied, and had him use a cute phrase, where it it doesn’t belong.

The 200 Almanac of American Politics had this as follows:

….He said the Bible dictates his anti-tax philosophy–a bit of a stretch for some voters–and made a serious gaffe when he said it is rare for a woman to get pregnant by rape, because fear triggers a hormonal change that blocks conception. He denied calling it “God’s little shield.” But the broader point is that the cases for and against abortion in the case of rape do not depend for their seriousness on how frequently such pregnancies occur.

Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:40 am

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Why aren’t the Democrats equally upset over their nuttier Tennessee senatorial candidate?

A recent flip-side example of what occurs when a Democrat does to his side of the aisle what Akin is doing to his was on display during the ruckus over Anthony Wiener. I don’t recall a groundswell of vocal, nearly unanimous opposition towards him from leading liberals/Democrats. Moreover, and if anything, quite a few on the left don’t mind bowing to and honoring characters like Bill Clinton and Al Sharpton.

Although I think outlawing abortion is to the right — at least in terms of how that squares against harsh reality — what mandatory school busing was to the left in the past, I find myself not all that bothered by Akin’s comments, even more so since he’s already done a back flip (or mea culpa) over what he meant.

The right to an abortion is so intertwined with the ongoing embrace of compassion for compassion’s sake that the only sticking point right now is whether young, single teenage girls should be able to get an abortion without the consent of a parent or guardian. In super-blue states like California, a girl can get a doctor to end a pregnancy without any parental authorization. But if she wants to get a tattoo? She must first get the signature of the parent. And if she wants to drop by a tanning salon? A recent law says she’s totally forbidden from doing that, regardless of what her parents or guardian says or doesn’t say.

The age of compassion — of big hearts — run amok.

Gallup Poll. May 3-6, 2012. N=1,024 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.

“Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?”

Always legal: 25%
Sometimes legal: 52%
Always illegal: 20%
Unsure: 3%

“With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life?”

Pro-choice: 41%
Pro-life: 50%
Neither/Mixed: 4%
Don’t know what terms mean: 3%
Unsure: 3%

Mark (de1ee4) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:45 am

Mike K,

Hugh Hewitt is a Catholic who married a Presbyterian. As a result, he and Betsy attend both Mass and Presbyterian services, when time permits.
I don’t think Hugh would characterize himself as a literalist in the “fundamentalist” context.
In fact, Hugh has often stated that there are super-natural aspects to every one of the major world religions’ sacred texts that are difficult to explain/understand.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:47 am

I am in favor of laws against theft.

However, if somebody is starving and needs to feed his little girl and for whatever reason he’s at the end of his rope and he puts some food under his coat and smuggles it out to his kid, I am certainly not in favor of charging him with a crime.

I also don’t think we need a “starving kid and at the end of my rope” exception to laws against theft.

Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:47 am

If Hugh is a Catholic, then he definitely is not a Biblical literalist. We don’t roll that way.

Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:50 am

Congressional Republicans last year tried to revise federal abortion law to refer not to “rape” but only to “forcible rape”.

Ah, yes. The Democrat Talking Point (aka a lie).

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:56 am

Akins fall is tragic. He is very religious. He has led a productive life outside of politics. As many commentators have said, when you’re a Conservative, you have a large target on your back. The secular gate keepers inside the MSM will be merciless. When liberals are caught in comprimising positions, lie, cheat and steal, it doesn’t matter. Only their devotion to the cause is important.

Somehow, a 10 word sentence becomes the death knell of his desire. It’s not fair, but it is reality. Tragedy doesn’t get better with time.

jks (fad3cc) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:02 am

Why aren’t the Democrats equally upset over their nuttier Tennessee senatorial candidate? Are they OK with gay hating anti-black-helicopter candidates?

They are upset, but only with the gay-hating part.

NYTimes

Jamie Tomek, president of the Missouri branch of the National Organization for Women, who lives in the county where Mr. Akin grew up and says she knows his parents, said she was not surprised by the statement and did not think it would cost him much ahead of the election.

She might have been on to something. If Akin performs like this in debates, then his controversial comments would not cost him much at all.

Michael Ejercito (2e0217) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:03 am

My father had it right:

“Anyone who desires political office is automatically unqualified for public office.”

We’d have been ahead to officially adopt the Cincinnatus model, wherein you leave your real life to serve in office for a single term, without recompense, then never again.

Oh, well, maybe next time…

Leroy Oddswatch (cb6511) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:16 am

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Ah, yes. The Democrat Talking Point (aka a lie).

thehill.com, Cheri Jacobus, 8/22/12: The controversy swirling around Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin’s (R-Mo.) comments about abortion in the case of rape or incest is telling, indeed — but not about Republicans. It’s the Democrats who are, yet again, misrepresenting the facts…

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) [has] issued a strident (and purposefully incorrect, misleading, lying) email tying Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and the entire Republican Party to Akin’s statements. They’ve even gone so far as to suggest that anyone who supports Republicans MUST oppose abortion in the case of rape or incest, since the RNC platform doesn’t contain language specifically supporting abortion in the case of rape or incest.

By that same logic, anyone supporting any Democrat must certainly support partial-birth abortion… The DNC platform supports all abortion and does not contain any language opposing partial-birth abortion, nor does it distinguish that practice from first-trimester abortion.

[I]n 2008, the DNC removed from its platform language specifying the position that abortion be “safe, legal and rare” in apparent opposition to the “rare” part.

^ This against the backdrop of a society/culture that increasingly tears up over the well-being of Fido and Kitty, and animals in general, and is doing things like banning (at least in ultra-blue California) the raising of geese to be used for foie gras. How nice. So compassionate and loving. BTW, the regime of Nazi Germany in the 1930s was a big supporter of animal rights and its leader fancied himself as a vegan.

Mark (de1ee4) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:17 am

“Stat Rape” is not necessarily “forcible”.
But then, the things that the sleep-deprived one does not know are infinite.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:51 am

Why aren’t the Democrats equally upset over their nuttier Tennessee senatorial candidate? Are they OK with gay hating anti-black-helicopter candidates?
Comment by Kevin M — 8/22/2012 @ 9:00 am

— Sure they are! Just so long as those candidates win.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:09 am

The success of procreative rape has nothing to do with “forcible” or “non-forcible” – studies show it has far, far more to do with whether or not the woman’s body is jostled into “rape mode,” which tends to frustrate the procreative process, using hormones and other such biological mechanisms.

And what we know is that a series of scientific studies have shown that the trigger for entering “rape mode” varies widely among individuals. More study is needed, but what we can say for certain is that rape pregnancies are so rare that it’s almost certainly God’s will when they occur.

happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:18 am

Paul Mirengoff at Powerline Blog had a worthwhile post about Akin last night along with the text of his original comment from his interview and how it has been distorted in subsequent reporting. Akin’s biggest problem has been himself, not adequately explaining in his apologies for what he meant or didn’t mean by legitimate rape in his original commentary and then not making it clear that he was misled by junk science on the rarity of pregnancy resulting from rape, which he now acknowledges.

I don’t think all the instant Republican experts on Missouri politics did conservatives any favors by escalating the controversy and publicly calling for Akin’s withdrawal from the race, although they have provided McCaskill with some great campaign advertisement material should Akin remain in the race.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:20 am

Congressional Republicans last year tried to revise federal abortion law to refer not to “rape” but only to “forcible rape”.
Why is that?
Comment by still sleeeeepy — 8/22/2012 @ 9:25 am

— I don’t know, f***ing liar. Why don’t you link to whatever the hell you think you’re talking about and we’ll figure it out for you.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:21 am

Mr. Feets – Do the probabilities changes depending whether or not you are in a rape barn?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:24 am

#31 Congressional Republicans last year tried to revise federal abortion law to refer not to “rape” but only to “forcible rape”.
Ah, yes. The Democrat Talking Point (aka a lie).
Comment by Kevin M

4 hours ago: “GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by “forcible rape” in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.”
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/paul-ryan-forcible-rape-todd-akin-/1#.UDUjrUIir0d

You narrow the definition of rape, you narrow the exception for rape and incest.

On the sider issue: If abortion is murder it’s murder. If it’s a crime, punish all adult participants equally.

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:30 am

Abortion isn’t “murder”, f***ing liar; but it IS “killing”.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:33 am

By the way, Missouri allows write-ins if the intent is filed at any time up to the 2nd Friday before the election. They may NOT be failed primary candidates, however. But a Kit Bond or John Danforth could run as a write-in at even a very late date.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:37 am

Liar quotes meme based on same lie, thinks it corroborates. Is wrong as usual. Next, he will quote recent Wikipedia edits.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:38 am

Mr. daley we only have partial data from the non-rape-barn control group field studies but what we *can* say is that in rape barn situations – where the rape is clearly premeditated – it’s likely that the triggering of an effective “rape mode” is blunted by the alcohol intake of the victim and general smoovness on the part of the rape barn proprietor. But that’s just a working hypothesis at this point.

happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:39 am

Are you going to answer the question, cut & paste bot? WHAT “federal abortion law” did congressional Republicans try to “revise”?

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:40 am

still sleeeepy, still clueless. “Abortion legislation” implies that it is restrictions on abortion. It is not. It refers to the use of federal funds to pay for abortion. Such prohibitions have widespread support.

Such intentional deceptions are the foundation of Democrat ideology today.

SPQR (26be8b) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:42 am

“Congressional Republicans last year tried to revise federal abortion law to refer not to “rape” but only to “forcible rape”.
Why is that?”

still sleeeeepy – Isn’t the explanation is the legislative history of the bill? Why isn’t TPM telling you and why aren’t you telling us?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:46 am

Well yeah, I knew he was delusional. His answer/thought process made that clear. He’s a religious loony.

I mean, more so than is common.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 11:52 am

Random, believe it or not — and in your case it will surely be the latter — one does not have to be religious in order to hold life to be sacred.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:02 pm

You’re assuming, Icy.

I was fervently pro-life my entire life up until about a year ago. I mean really hard core pro-life, and non-religious.

I agree with Christopher Hitchens’ on the subject, that there’s an instinctive feeling in many people that it’s wrong.

However, I became persuaded that life is so uncertain, invariably fatal, often painful in the extreme, and with all the goods and bads unfairly distributed (and in a massive way), that being born is not an unqualified good in the slightest.

I came across some philosophers who believed that considering the above, abortion is morally required, not just permissible.

I see their point. I wouldn’t necessarily go that far, but I do now believe that subjective experience is what matters, not life per se. That changes things, and is why I am now pro-choice.

A change which would have astounded me and I would have considered impossible.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:13 pm

And he’s off……………………………

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:16 pm

Let me take a peek at my sidewalk. Nope, no Random splatter, there.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:23 pm

“Isn’t the explanation is the legislative history of the bill? Why isn’t TPM telling you and why aren’t you telling us?”
What?

Why did ht Republicans try to narrow the definition of rape?
It’s a very simple question.
Paul Ryan won’t explain it.
What’s the difference that and the reference to “legitimate” rape?

“Last year, Akin, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and most of the House GOP cosponsored a bill that would have narrowed the already-narrow exceptions to the laws banning federal funding for abortion—from all cases of rape to cases of “forcible rape.”

After I reported on the “forcible rape” language in January 2011, a wave of outcry from abortion rights, progressive, and women’s groups led the Republicans to remove it. But a few months later, in a congressional committee report, Republicans wrote that they believed the bill would continue to have the same effect despite the absence of the “forcible” language.

So why was the “forcible” language so important? Pro-life advocates believed they needed to include the word “forcible” in the law to preempt what National Right to Life Committee lobbyist Doug Johnson called a “brazen” effort by Planned Parenthood and other groups to obtain federal funding for abortions for any teenager by (falsely) claiming statutory rape. Abortion rights groups, Johnson warned, wanted to “federally fund the abortion of tens of thousands of healthy babies of healthy moms, based solely on the age of their mothers.” Richard Doerflinger, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’* top anti-abortion lobbyist, echoed Johnson in congressional testimony, arguing that the “forcible” language was “an effort on the part of the sponsors to prevent the opening of a very broad loophole for federally funded abortions for any teenager.” Planned Parenthood flatly denied having a plan to open up such a loophole.

The idea that women who are “legitimate” rape victims can’t get pregnant has currency in some corners of the fringe right. Akin embraces it. Does he embrace the conspiracy theory about the need for the “forcible rape” language, too?”
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/todd-akin-paul-ryan-redefining-rape

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:24 pm

“all the goods and bads unfairly distributed”

Random – Ho hum, after whatever force has determined the uneven distribution of goods and bads for an individual, all that person can do is endure.

Booooorrriiinnnngggggg.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:24 pm

BTW, Random, I have heard of a suicide help line overseas. They’ll pay for your travel and living expenses. Can you drive a truck?

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:25 pm

still sleeeeepy – Bless your heart, there is a special place in Heaven for people like you.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:26 pm

What is the carbon footprint represented by a rape-barn abortion?

Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:26 pm

Nothing shows your bona fide humanity, nk, like trying to urge someone to kill themselves online (who’s not even talking about doing so at the moment). I’m very touched by your decency. I’m sure I could learn something from you.

I’m happy at the moment. Have been for a couple months and last night was particularly good. If I was going to kill myself today, which I’m not, I have the means to do so peacefully and reliably. More people should have such means available to them.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:28 pm

Random sees life as a boxing match: you give it your best shot — for awhile; but then, after you get beat up, and find yourself behind on points, you throw in the towel.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:29 pm

It’s an option, Icy.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:30 pm

I tried to count the lies in sssleepy’s comment and gave up at seventeen. Then I saw the source was Mother Jones. Tee hee.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:31 pm

Romney/Ryan falling behind

Akins, is going to win, if Linda can lead, and we can stack a whole lotta crazy, against one sentence…

Claire bear is going down, hse’s Akin for a pounding and she’s going to get it

People dont give a CRAP$$$$ about abortion, women’s rights etc.

Everyone knows a woman can get a morning after pill, everyone knows a woman can get a job.

Yes there are disturbing inequalities, but these dont rise enough to TRUMP Obama

We are going to win the Senate

Romney may be doing his job keeping the game close so they dems cannot release funds to flood the senate races

But the delusional one’s are those who think Akins comment trumps Romney’s passing Obama care 10 years or so ago

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:31 pm

But actually, Icy, that was a more astute observation. I do see life that way, for me, but I think I’ll do more fighting and less focussing on dying since I changed certain beliefs and got over a certain devastating problem.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:31 pm

I don’t think Akin is going to win, EPWJ. He’s going to crater.

But yeah, if McMahon takes CT, I’d say that the wave is high enough for it to be Romney landslide, GOP senate with a couple to spare.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:33 pm

Answer the question, f***ing liar. WHAT “federal abortion law” did congressional Republicans try to “revise”?

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:34 pm

You will have an eternity of peace, eventually, Random. Kill yourself violently, by way of fifty or so botched attempts. Cigarettes and whiskey are also a good start, although jealous husbands might be too quick. Start love affairs with junkies with HIV.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:35 pm

Concern troll is still concerned (shorter EPWJ).

SPQR (26be8b) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:37 pm

I eat healthfully, exercise hard, get incidental physical activity, take a well-selected low-dose regimen of supplementation and two well-studied drugs which reduce all sorts of morbidity and mortality cofactors, and use protection.

If I do kill myself, it will be following a humane regime from a euthanasia textbook, starting with a drug-induced coma and proceeding to a lethal drug that is also a CNS suppressant, deepening the coma and the humanity of the act.

Sorry to disappoint you, nk.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:38 pm

You are nowhere near losing your life, Random, so stop f___g with us.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:39 pm

But actually, Icy, that was a more astute observation. I do see life that way, for me, but I think I’ll do more fighting and less focussing on dying since I changed certain beliefs and got over a certain devastating problem.
Comment by Random — 8/22/2012 @ 12:31 pm

— Ending your belief in the sanctity of human life has made it possible for you to make it through the day?

Yeah, well, “out of sight, out of mind”, I guess. Works pretty well for the abortionists.

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:41 pm

nk, are you like blind or something?

I said above: 1. I am happy now. 2. I am not suicidal now. 3. I am living a healthful lifestyle designed to increase function and longevity. 4. You brought up the suicide, not me. And you recommended I do so painfully, perhaps tongue in cheek. I said I will do no such thing.

I’m not a masochist.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:41 pm

– Ending your belief in the sanctity of human life has made it possible for you to make it through the day?

No correlation there. If anything, that opens up the possibility of rational suicide.

What make it easier to get through the day were helpful philosophical and psychological insights.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:43 pm

Frank Nitti, whose house is two blocks away from mine, tried suicide by train where a Toys ‘r Us is now in North Riverside Plaza, IL. He did not think the train was going fast enough (it’s only a service spur) so he shot himself first, too.

Whatever gives wood to your pecker.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:44 pm

Your attempt to teach your nihilism, Random.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:46 pm

Ah, a complex suicide. Considering the methods he had available, probably a good decision.

But no, with further research and some planning, that’s unnecessary. There are certain drugs, taken as a cocktail (to stop vomiting, put someone to sleep before the dying process, and provide the lethal effect) that are actually reliable (more so than the execution regime used in some states). Getting them requires some work, but it’s possible.

Did you know you can be cut in half at the waist, literally, and survive it for a while — or even survive it full stop with (good or bad!) luck and the right medical care?

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:48 pm

Yes, but Brian De Palma’s artistic license was so much more fun:
“Where IS Nitti, Mr. Ness?”
“He’s in the car.”

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:50 pm

No, Random, telling you to die painfully is not humor. Pain is life’s most urgent way of saying, “Don’t leave me, you will not find anything better”.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:50 pm

Yeah, I don’t fetishize suffering, nk.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:52 pm

But I did have a good workout yesterday — a nice hard one. Can still feel my muscles.

So if there’s a sufficient benefit to be had by the pain, fine.

Random (edf1d2) — 8/22/2012 @ 12:54 pm

And before the usual suspects flame up

I was refering to the ranking of people’s concerns in this election

The Economy and the Job market are the 900 lb gorilla in the room.

Social issues, this phoney war on women – is a side show.

Republicans need to just move on to winning other races such as Michigan and Conn, and I hear there is some softness now in Oregon.

Imagine that…

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 1:10 pm

Random

Despite Romney she is starting to pull even

I think its more the pull back from Obama.

Romney is arguing on TV to preserve entitlements that we want to end through the free market.

If Romney wanted to get rid of medicare he would do the Perry thing and limit liabilities, and make a tax free environmnet for healthcare a reality

You would see XOM, Shell, foreighn companies start buying up medical companies to take advantage of it.

Its not that big a deal – think of the cost of drugs if they could not be sued? If they just had to contribute to a pool for those who were actual harmed by these drugs?

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 1:14 pm

Icy, the best portrayal of Nitti is the one in “The Road to Perdition”, I think. Cool-headed businessman, not gun-happy psycho.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 1:23 pm

It’s amusing watching liberals crow about how cutting Akin loose is going to split the party–I remember the reaction here when O’Connell was nominated in the 2010 cycle, and comparing it to the reaction to Akin leads me to believe that the liberals are smoking some seriously toxic weed if they think that Akin is commanding any significant loyalty compared to that (the reaction strikes me more as “he’s not such a bad guy, no need to pile on” as opposed to “HOW DARE YOU REFUSE TO BACK TODD!”) Keep sawing off the plank.

M. Scott Eiland (449af8) — 8/22/2012 @ 1:31 pm

Could the coming tidal-wave for Romney be strong enough to save Akin?
Did not a MO poll show him one-point up on McCaskill?
And the latest CT poll shows McMahon leading (a Republican leading in CT statewide?).
Will we see a Tsunami that, even if Akin loses, will turn the Senate over to a GOP majority, with a GOP President?
Historically high UE would dictate such a result, but will our media overlords tolerate it?
And, is Fox the only media outlet commenting on the historic high price of gasoline?

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:10 pm

86- more….
I forgot to mention the latest poll showing Brown leading over the 2-faced ~~indian~~ .03215 Native-American.

Is Feinstein the only SAFE Senate Dem running for re-election?

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:14 pm

Swing voters, EPJW. He’s going after swing voters.

Consider also the following. No one ever mistook Romney for a right-wing ideologue. He isn’t one and that isn’t going to change. But he’s much better than Obama, if only because he’s actually competent … plus America needs an economic turnaround expert, a can-doer.

Further, he signalled his understanding of the country’s serious spending woes by choosing Ryan, although he may have picked him more because they get along personally, Ryan freaks the hell out of Obama, and it’s a surprisingly-inspired political choice.

What does this mean? It means that Ryan, a guy who takes spending cuts seriously and has proposed meaningful, thought-out reforms for quite a while, is best positioned to take the country further to the right than the Romney Presidency after Romney does his thing (win, lose, or draw).

So all told, I think conservative Republicans should be pretty happy with how Romney’s managed this so far. It could have been worse.

Random (868c69) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:17 pm

Random

when Romney attacked Perry over immigration, that was it.

He’s toast and arguing over defending the largest money sucking entitlement isnt doing him nay wonders.

The base is energized for the senate – not for Romney

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:35 pm

Well that’s probably why conservative Republicans annoy the f— out of me.

The country’s going down the tubes lead by a Marxist/domestic terrorist acolyte, and they’re obsessed over some imagined slight on one issue during the primary battle, involving a guy’s who’s endorsed the nominee anyway.

I swear particularly conservative Republicans’ motto should be:

Personal responsibility, and whining

What’s that in Latin?

Random (868c69) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:39 pm

Random,

EPWJ is one of those Republicans who spends more time finding fault with Republican candidates than with Democrat candidates. In recent weeks, he has trashed Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, and Sarah Palin, and he also insulted Ronald Reagan’s intelligence.

We usually refer to those types of ‘Republicans’ as…Democrats !

His old Ford Pinto probably has a Code Pink bumpber sticker.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 2:39 pm

e-stone at least 2 of those 4 people you mentioned “I trash” are not republicans

at least one of the remaining is not a conservative

when you are wondering about the true definition of moby’s…

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:09 pm

Random

Its not an imagined slight – Romney took such a hard line that base we USED to have – weakened.

Also Romney isnt a conservative – and barely a moderate.

Never was

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:13 pm

epwj is dipping into the khat shipment.

“A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:20 pm

Which ones are not Republican?

JD (803adb) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:23 pm

“when Romney attacked Perry over immigration, that was it.”

EPWJ – Romney isn’t the only heartless Republican who thinks Perry sucks on immigration, cupcake.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:25 pm

EPWJ – Is Perry still running? Why are you still talking about him as if he is still a candidate?

Rip van EPWJ?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:29 pm

Perry sucks on a lot of things . . .

Well, that’s what I heard!

Icy (107527) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:34 pm

Don’t much like Latin, it sounds too much like French. Here it is in dependable Greek, Random:

Προσωπική ευθύνη και γκρίνια. Could probably make a bouzouki song out of that. Dang, it’s been done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPEhIDrDrPQ&feature=fvwrel

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:35 pm

Remember when epwj told us Perry was a sure thing, a done deal? It was over.

JD (803adb) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:40 pm

“Remember when epwj told us Perry was a sure thing, a done deal?”

JD – He’s got the accuracy of Paul Krugman.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:50 pm

EPWJ,

You’re the only “conservative” in the country who dislikes Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and Ronald Reagan.

The only people I know who dislike Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and Ronald Reagan are…uh, Democrats !

You’re like the alleged vegetarian who keeps getting caught eating steak dinners !

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 3:50 pm

“Akin: Moron”

Is he?

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/9301

If he is…he’s my kind of moron.

I don’t give a damn what the guy says…as long as he votes right. And, he votes right.

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:02 pm

But he can’t get elected, Dave. He shot himself. He’s just going to cost the party a seat. And check out the alternative.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:06 pm

Akin: typical sexist Republican

trebek (0b4ce2) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:07 pm

Knock it off, Trebek.

sean connery (ee31f1) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:21 pm

we must remember
Dems have rapist Bill Clinton
as keynote speaker

Colonel Haiku (409735) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:40 pm

e-stone

I dont dislike Ted Cruz – we just have noooo idea what he’s going to do as a senator

I dont dislike Reagan, he just isnt a icon of conservatism that people are making him out to be after his passing.

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:41 pm

Random

Its still a looong way from November, people are really not paying attention yet and basically, Claire Bear has her record to run on and it isnt pretty.

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:43 pm

the Democrats are teh party of Ted “Chappaquiddick” Kennedy and serial sex abuser/harasser/accused rapist Bill Clinton… who lost his Arkansas license to practice law for 8 years and who was held in contempt of a federal court.

We need to keep pointing this stuff out, especially in light of who they’re using to give a keynote address.

Colonel Haiku (409735) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:51 pm

Great, so let’s just take the chance, EPWJ, because the stakes aren’t high or anything. Akin is totally worth it — bet the country on him, I say.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 4:58 pm

Eric, let’s see if this works for you. Safe.

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&rls=ig&rlz=1R2TSNA_enUS371&q=entity&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl=el&sa=X&ei=qPx6TKfZBouNnQettMGdCw&ved=0CBUQrgYwAA#en/zh-TW/Let's%20all%20comment%20in%20a%20foreign%20language.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:05 pm

One more try, with apologies.

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en&rls=ig&rlz=1R2TSNA_enUS371&q=entity&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sl=en&tl=el&sa=X&ei=qPx6TKfZBouNnQettMGdCw&ved=0CBUQrgYwAA#en/zh-TW/Let's%20all%20comment%20in%20a%20foreign%20language.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:08 pm

Ok, sorry again.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:08 pm

Col

Remember Air Claire – she’s got some serious ethics problems that were swept under Pelosi’s skirts

And now she’s missing 300,000 from her campaign coffers and matching donors

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:10 pm

Random

Exactly my words with Romney….

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:11 pm

Random,

Akin misspoke, but he has time, to fix it – someone misspeaking, well its really not that big of a game changer

Voting for Obamacare – that can hurt a person

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:12 pm

EPJW, I like everyone else this side of his wife, kids, and close business and community associates (which, by the way, is a good sign — that they’re all enthusiastic about him) am or was luke warm on Romney.

But.

He’s got a record of turning organizations around. This is precisely the needed skill set at this moment in history.

In short, Romney may turn out to be a fortuitous choice.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:19 pm

I mean by comparison, what could you say about McCain? He was an erratic guy who was personally courageous and mavericky, and had led an air squadron? Nice, but not that specific to solving any problem really.

Whereas America needs teh turnaround.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:23 pm

when Romney attacked Perry over immigration, that was it.

That was a point where I got very frustrated with what I consider the ultimate form of media bias (deciding to cover one set of facts, and declining to cover other sets of facts). I felt that created a narrative that ranked these guys in a ridiculous way, since Perry is awesome on border control, in my opinion, and on other issues he was criticized on, it felt like some were not representing their own record.

But the primary is over, and Romney is the best candidate who can beat Obama. The only candidate who can beat Obama. And he’s a huge improvement over Obama. The primary was fought very hard, and Romney wasn’t the only one who said things I didn’t agree with. Perry made some moves I didn’t agree with as well.

We will not be able to beat Obama if we can’t rally and unify as a party. Turn out and motivation are huge issues. Even for a guy like me in a state that won’t be close, attitudes and volunteerism are very important.

We need to put aside the primary battles. It will be important to hold Romney’s feet to the fire on some of his promises, but I am pretty damn sure I’d rather be trying to do this than trying to get Obama on board with reform.

Romney will have a budget, he will have executive experience and knowledge of business, he will try to turn around a country in decline in many ways, and he will have a terrific vice president on a mission that I support.

Perry supporters should enthusiastically give Romney their prayers and support. If we can’t be flexible about this, then we are not serious enough about beating Obama.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:29 pm

Should I be concerned at all this discussion on the best way to commit suicide? Or the comments that people “have the proper drugs on hand, if needed”? It raises red flags, even if the commenter was saying “I’m not going to commit suicide”. Then why have you made preparations? I hope you are talking to someone you trust.

Armchair_Philosopher (9b08f5) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:40 pm

But the primary is over, and Romney is the best candidate who can beat Obama. The only candidate who can beat Obama ….

AND he’s set up Ryan – more conservative than Romney – to be the likely future nominee, or at least have a great shot at rounding out his resume.

He didn’t pick someone to the left of him, as many thought he would, or another moderate. He picked a more or less conservative guy who happens to be a very sharp mind, focussed on reducing spending.

They say half a loaf is better than none, but I think with Romney we may end up with three quarters.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:40 pm

AND he’s set up Ryan – more conservative than Romney

Yes. The ramifications of this one decision could indeed be tremendous and long term.

It’s what I consider the first truly important decision he’s made as far as his potential presidency goes, and he made this decision boldly and correctly. It is not at all what I expected, either, so I think many of us need to be prepared to be surprised with Romney in a good way.

And what does it hurt to hope for that? Romney over Obama is a no brainer anyway.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:43 pm

They say half a loaf is better than none, but I think with Romney we may end up with three quarters.

I like that!

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:44 pm

Thanks, Armchair Philosopher.

Following a personal loss that I could not process for a long time which impacted the rest of my life, I was indeed contemplating suicide and prepared to do so.

I actually managed with the help of others (even some here), to get back on track, stronger than before, and enjoy my life again. But … I do believe a person has a right to suicide if they wish (many great philosophers have agreed), and while I’m not suicidal now, I certainly maintain the right. Rights aren’t much good without means, so I have those too.

Don’t worry about it though. While I don’t plan on it, I either will or I won’t, but in any case, I’m mortal so it’ll all end the same.

As I said above when talking about abortion not suicide, there are two ways of looking at what’s most important: life or subjective experience. These days, I come down on the latter side.*

nk brought that up again, I don’t know why, and I just rolled with it. It isn’t a topic I’m the slightest shy about. I enjoy the topic. I think it’s important. It has the potential to relieve suffering, and that’s a good thing, I think. I support the right to die movement generally, including Exit International, the Dignitas Society, and others. If I live to be 98 and die in my sleep after a long illness, I’ll still support the right of others to make their own life and death choices. It wasn’t a cry for help. In any case, there’s scant evidence that hospitalization reduces suicide because suicides spike upon release, and it frequently creates a cycle of dependency, etc.

But actually, I’m doing very well. I appreciate your concern.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:49 pm

* Oh I was going to add that my most recent subjective experience last night with someone new was pretty damn good.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:50 pm

“Then why have you made preparations?”

I bet the majority of people here aren’t going to shoot anybody, but several have made preparations should the need arise.

Likewise, fire insurance.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:54 pm

Should I be concerned at all this discussion on the best way to commit suicide? Or the comments that people “have the proper drugs on hand, if needed”? It raises red flags, even if the commenter was saying “I’m not going to commit suicide”. Then why have you made preparations? I hope you are talking to someone you trust.

Armchair_Philosopher,

Christoph, I mean Random, likes to turn the topic of conversation to himself. Don’t worry about it.

Patterico (83033d) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:55 pm

Allow me to offer, not directed at Random, that challenging someone to commit suicide is not a good way to get them to back out. Suicide can often be about ego, so setting things up that way is irresponsible.

I felt that some of the reactions on that issue were scoffing at it with jokes that I read as saying ‘you aren’t really serious’, which I think could be interpreted as a challenge to show it is seriousness.

But hey, maybe some of you do not have an objection to suicide. I do. It is a waste of life, which is precious, and I think comes with the responsibility to accomplish as much good as one can, even when it is difficult, which it will be for everyone at some point.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:56 pm

That last was definitely not directed at Patterico, btw.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:57 pm

Dustin

Romney is like O’donnell. He lied and now he expects to get our support for “his ” brand of liberal progressiveness.
He is already on the airwaves beating his chest vowing to fight for entitlements.

Oh he also said no tax cuts, well f you you tax dodging worthless mf.

At this point there according to ingraham on fox there was a negative ryan bounce.t

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 5:59 pm

“Allow me to offer, not directed at Random, that challenging someone to commit suicide is not a good way to get them to back out. Suicide can often be about ego, so setting things up that way is irresponsible.”

Yeah, I agree, Dustin. It’s not affecting me personally because I’m enjoying life and really have adopted a bunch of new, quite pleasant ideas. I could recommend lots of sources for these, but you’d be hard pressed to do better than Dale Carnegie’s “How to Stop Worrying and Start Living” which I’d heard about ages ago and just got into. I challenge anyone to listen to or read it all and not be a fan.

Speaking of challenges.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:01 pm

EPWJ,

I’m happy to overlook your sloppy typing, and your errors in noun-verb agreement, and so forth, because I know someone diagnosed with dyslexia for whom writing/typing is difficult.
But there’s no overlooking your kooky pontifications about Reagan being a liberal, and Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan being squishy moderates, and so forth.
Like I’ve said before, and I’ll continue to say in every thread you engage in, you spend a tremendous amount of time finding fault with Republican candidates and literally no time finding fault with liberal candidates.

The GOP primary is over. Most serious adult conservatives have put it behind them, accepted the result, and are working toward sending the Obamas back to Chicago this January.

Crying about Rick Perry, David Dewhurst, and bad-mouthing Reagan is not the domain of someone who is serious about un-seating Obama.
You really sound like one of those left wing seminar callers who calls up a conservative talk radio show and says, “Hello, I’m a lifelong Republican, but I just can’t….”

That’s a person with an objective of trying to persuade fence-sitters and independents that there are some alleged Republican defections to Obama. And a vote for a third party candidate such as Gary Johnson is also effectively a vote against Romney.

You’re the proverbial “vegetarian” who keeps getting caught eating steak dinners…and when you get caught, you have the Stephanie Cutter-like nerve to say, “This isn’t a steak dinner I’m eating—it’s a salad !”

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:04 pm

Estone

You’re. Dodging the fact that you (and I) don’t really have any choices. Yeah it sucks, and just maybe moderates will get the idea that don’t sign up to run on conservative tickets.

You can point out all my myriad of flaws and they are many, but Romneys still obama light

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:09 pm

But hey, maybe some of you do not have an objection to suicide. I do. It is a waste of life, which is precious, and I think comes with the responsibility to accomplish as much good as one can, even when it is difficult, which it will be for everyone at some point.

Comment by Dustin — 8/22/2012 @ 5:56 pm

This definitely goes to my theory that one of the main distinction of people is those who believe in life as the pre-eminent value and those who believe subjective experience is it.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:12 pm

Romney is like O’donnell.

Insofar as both are better than Obama, I agree.

well f you you tax dodging worthless mf.

We have an urgent need to replace Obama with a better president. Arguments against this had better have some substantial and intelligent reasoning, rather than emotion.

At this point there according to ingraham on fox there was a negative ryan bounce.t

I find that unlikely. Polls of likely voters are looking good as far as I know. Ryan has helped Romney raise a ton of money, and we haven’t entered the general election phase yet where this money will be spent.

But this thread should be about Akin and why he is foolish to stay in the race.

Like Akin, you should consider the urgency of this moment in American history. I’m sure Akin considers a future where he is not a Senator to be less than he hoped for. I’m sure you consider a future where Rick Perry isn’t our President to be less than you hoped for. But that ship has sailed. It’s time to think about the country.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:15 pm

I’m sure you consider a future where Rick Perry isn’t our President to be less than you hoped for. But that ship has sailed. It’s time to think about the country.

You could substitute a whole lot of variables in this sentence and it would make sense. Certainly it applies to our personal lives.

If you support Rick Perry — support Romney. Rick Perry does.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:18 pm

Dustin

Emotions are what make campaigns.

Maybe its a Boston thing. I’m getting visions of dukakis

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:30 pm

I so don’t get how Romney = Dukakis.

Mild-mannered governor/professor vs. ruthless business turnaround expert/governor.

I mean, sure, Romney’s not Mr. Charming, but he’s focused as hell. He’s willing to dig in and fight.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:32 pm

No, screw dig in. He’s willing to advance.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:33 pm

I am not concerned, Random. “If somebody does not appreciate what he has, he should have nothing at all.”*

*Edward Abbey, “The Brave Cowboy”. (Nietsche sucked and Rand swallowed but Abbey understood liberty, which includes liberty from your weakness and fear.)

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:35 pm

Compared to nice guy McCain, Romney’s The Duke of Wellington.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:35 pm

Sure, fear’s huge, nk — probably the key point.

Random (dd401a) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:35 pm

Aw shucks, I should have read the whole thread. Random is Christoph, the Canadian sex tourist? I need to go wash my hands.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:38 pm

“Is there a single credible pundit who lives in the real world who supports this guy?”

Patterico – As of Sunday night, before national Republican heavy breathers weighed in, Dana Loesch and Jim Hoft, both Missouri bloggers were supporting Akin. Loesch had Akin had on her radio show yesterday. I did not listen. Hoft is reporting on the continuing controversy.

Loesch and Hoft want Akin gone. So does Jacobson, whom I believe you had also cited previously.

I think at this point you’re left with people who, like Akin, have an agenda different from winning the Senate. Whatever that agenda might be…

Patterico (83033d) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:48 pm

EPWJ (Eric Johnson),

Dude, seriously…

You’re not fooling anybody—we know you’re not a conservative. You’re terrified that the Romney-Ryan ticket is going to win in November.
Your fantasy of having Lawrence Tribe or Cass Sunstein on the Supreme Court is falling by the wayside….it’s…slipping…away.

There isn’t a “conservative” in the country who trashes Reagan, Ryan, and Ted Cruz.
The only people who do that are Democrats…such as yourself.

Romney’s going to bring back John Bolton to kick some tail in the foreign policy arena. Say “bye-bye” to Samantha Power and Susan Rice !

The Winston Churchill bust that was a gift from Tony Blair will be returned to the Oval Office, and Benjamin Netanyahu will be invited to the White House for dinner.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:49 pm

So what did the Abo give you, Christoph?. B, C, HIV, gonnorhea, syphillis, chlamydia, or all six?

I am an innocent.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:51 pm

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/How_social_media_made_the_Akin_story_viral.html

sean connery (ee31f1) — 8/22/2012 @ 6:58 pm

Remember Air Claire – she’s got some serious ethics problems that were swept under Pelosi’s skirts

Since when has Mc Caskill answered to Pelosi?

JD (603efd) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:00 pm

Emotions are what make campaigns.

I’d rather have one based on math.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:08 pm

Jd

The missing money suddenly appeared from an Acct run by pelosi. Same scenario for Jan schakowskis husband

If Rep ever pulled this crape..

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:24 pm

How in the world did my kindle think I wanted to use the wooed crape

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:25 pm

nk is a moron.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:26 pm

Dustin

Then math says give up on Romney……

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:27 pm

Does this idiocy ever cease?!

JD (603efd) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:31 pm

So what did the Abo give you, Christoph?. B, C, HIV, gonnorhea, syphillis, chlamydia, or all six?

I am an innocent.

Comment by nk — 8/22/2012 @ 6:51 pm

“Abo”? WTF are you talking about? I remember you being a racist bastard.

Good to see you haven’t changed, nk. Stay close to your roots.

Random (645960) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:31 pm

Estone

Yeah keep hoping.

And next week when Romney does an akin on taxes.

I know u love your country deeply.

We get the Senate no more obama

Ericpwjohnson (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:32 pm

Oh sweet baby Jesus

JD (603efd) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:47 pm

We’ve gone past Vizzini, Nigel Tufnel, moving toward the Ruttles for raw absurdity.

narciso (ee31f1) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:49 pm

Eric Johnson,

You’re pitched softballs to hit out of the park, yet you never take a swing at the liberals.
I bet you’re a union guy, huh ?
You gotta lot of anger at “the boss-man” ?
You resent the college guys who get to sit behind a nice desk in an air-conditioned office, making phone calls, and taking an extra fifteen minutes for lunch.
Maybe you should have studied harder when you were in school.

Your anger is reserved for conservatives, Republicans, Joooooos, and, uh,…just whom else are you angry at, tough guy ?

We seem to miss out on alllll of those rants and raves against the left wingers and the Democrats.

I bet you just love that ol’ Joe Biden—hairplugs, comb-overs, and all.
He makes up stories about being f*&^’in Fred Flintstone carrying a lunchpail to work, and hangin’ out in train stations and restaurants that closed down twenty years ago. He’s just another clueless Democrat with hairplugs, capped teeth, and a prescription for little blue pills that convince him he’s Tom Brady for 45 minutes, three times a week.

Of course, old man Biden fumbles the ball, throws interceptions, yet still does an end zone dance as if he just won the Super Bowl.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:51 pm

“Loesch and Hoft want Akin gone. So does Jacobson, whom I believe you had also cited previously.”

Patterico – That’s why said as of Sunday night. Just heard Mike Gallagher on the radio on the way home. He supports Akin, as does Rep. Steve King from Iowa.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:53 pm

Patterico – Don’t believe I mentioned Jacobson.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:54 pm

i don’t know how people wake up in the morning already knowing what they want for lunch

I try sometimes but a lot of times I guess wrong and then what’s a little pikachu to do

plus lots of times deciding on lunch is an interactive process what involves a lot of give and take with other people what are also invested in the decision about the lunchings

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:54 pm

you only get 5 lunches all week if you screw one up then bam you’ve screwed up 20% of your lunchings

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/22/2012 @ 7:55 pm

Then math says give up on Romney……

Comment by Ericpwjohnson

The math says that we better pass a freaking budget or this house of cards is going to fall.

Romney passed budgets. Ryan is all about budgets.

Obama wouldn’t know what a budget was if it sat on his head.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:00 pm

Speaking of weirdnesses, did you hear Biden state that he knew three Presidents “intimately”?

Um.

Simon Jester (4b3e14) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:18 pm

Well, I can believe that for Clinton any time, and Carter even at his age, but Obama never.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:31 pm

Michelle cut his balls off after the second kid.

(I think under Virginia law I could be arrested for saying this.)

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:34 pm

“Speaking of weirdnesses, did you hear Biden state that he knew three Presidents “intimately”?”

Simon – Like a Viking?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:37 pm

there was a mouth breather named Biden
which sex he preferred still decidin’
paid a visit to Slick Willie
they drank themselves silly
Joe got treated to some bareback ridin’

Colonel Haiku (5bfa3a) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:40 pm

A man running for Sheriff in New Hampshire says he has a Constitutional right to use deadly force against Drs performing legal abortions.
A Judge in Texas warns of civil war if Obama wins.
At least one regular commenter here wants to “Restore the Republic.”
A concerted effort by the Republican party to throw blacks and the poor off the voting rolls.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/ohio-republican-stands-by-jab-at-black-turnout-ma
Real rape victims don’t get pregnant.
Clinton is called a rapist.
Obama is called illegitimate.
racist comments thrown around and let stand.
Romney is caught lying about welfare and ignoring being called out by the press, he keeps lying.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Y3eN4gzR
And Romney is running by attacking Romneycare.
National health is good for Israel but bad for the US.
The Republican war on women is out in the open in the National Review

Kevin D. Williamson
“The offspring of rich families are statistically biased in favor of sons — the children of the general population are 51 percent male and 49 percent female, but the children of the Forbes billionaire list are 60 percent male. Have a gander at that Romney family picture: five sons, zero daughters. Romney has 18 grandchildren, and they exceed a 2:1 ratio of grandsons to granddaughters (13:5). When they go to church at their summer-vacation home, the Romney clan makes up a third of the congregation. He is basically a tribal chieftain.
Professor Obama? Two daughters. May as well give the guy a cardigan. And fallopian tubes.”
http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2012_08_19_archive.html#7483608211675908003

You people are destroying the country. And the more democrats listen to you the worse it gets.

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:41 pm

A concerted effort by the Republican party to throw blacks and the poor off the voting rolls.

You think requiring photo ID has something to do with poverty and race?

Your own bigotry is showing.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:45 pm

Mrs. Romney had a miscarriage and that was a boy too, sleeeeepy. But I’m sure you think there’s a point to be had there somewhere.

elissa (a49632) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:46 pm

Socialists suck, sleeeeeeeepy. You have failed every time it has been been tried. And your copypasta nonsense has long since become tiresome.

JD (603efd) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:46 pm

Probably why you seem to see racism everywhere. I suspect you are unable to get away from race, no matter where you look.

Whereas normal folks have long been seeing content of character instead.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:46 pm

stiiillslipy,

Those thigh-highs are not worth a darn unless you shave. Gosh, that stubble. Get a clue, girl.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:47 pm

not fond of pious peanut farmah
Joe fancied himself quite teh chahmah
charmed Jimmy did grab it
“that ain’t no damn rabbit!”
teh lust in his heart held bad karma

Colonel Haiku (5bfa3a) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:50 pm

If you really want to handle slllllllipy, guys, it’s ok by me. But use two gloves, one on on top of the other, and an anti-viral.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:51 pm

Say sleeeeepy– Have you clicked on the ubiquitous link yet to say you’ll “join Michelle and tell Barack you’re ‘in'”? That language and picture gives me a laugh every single time I see it. They’re looking kinda desperate and cheesy these days, no?

elissa (a49632) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:54 pm

Slow Joe Biden went to a pharmacy to buy some Viagra and asked the pharmacist if he “could get it over teh counter”.

Teh pharmacist replied, “I have no idea how big it will get, buddy.”

Colonel Haiku (5bfa3a) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:55 pm

I remember those ads, Haiku.

Carter, “Lust in my heart”.
Ford, “Pardon.

Result: Reagan.

nk (875f57) — 8/22/2012 @ 8:59 pm

estone

What good is it getting angry at liberals?

They never “dissapoint” or surprise me. I expect them to be morons.

I know you love your country but the facts are that a dead cat bounce on Ryan, isnt a good thing.

I get plenty angry at liberals, my favorite moment is when Gephardt had to give Newt the gavel and tried to give a speech and Newt – none to gently pushed him aside and off the podium

good times…

EPWJ (2a58f7) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:17 pm

The President of ireland vs a tea bagger
Michael D Higgins v Michael Graham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5OWRRJh-PI&

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/22/2012 @ 9:32 pm

Clinton is called a rapist.
Obama is called illegitimate.

Um, what’s your problem with these? They are straightforward facts. There is good evidence that Clinton is a rapist, and it’s utterly uncontroversial that 0bama is illegitimate.

Milhouse (3f6b95) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:01 pm

still sleeeeepy – The lies you libs are telling about Obama’s unconstitutional welfare work waivers are just precious. Even the NYTimes in an editorial condemning Romney inadvertently confirmed he was right. D’oh!

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:01 pm

Clinton is called a rapist.
Obama is called illegitimate.

Um, what’s your problem with these? They are straightforward facts. There is good evidence that Clinton is a rapist, and it’s utterly uncontroversial that 0bama is illegitimate.

Oh, and there have been no racist comments by any Republican, but plenty of ridiculous accusations of racism by Democrats, leading us quickly to a situation where the epithet “racist” will lose its sting entirely and no sane person will mind being called it or think less of anyone who is called it. If “Wolf!” means “I’m bored”, then what do you shout when there is a wolf?

Milhouse (97abf8) — 8/22/2012 @ 10:40 pm

184-you probably ~~inadvertently~~ intentionally misreading the NYTimes.

trebek (0b4ce2) — 8/23/2012 @ 2:27 am

*misread

trebek (0b4ce2) — 8/23/2012 @ 2:27 am

“A concerted effort by the Republican party to throw blacks and the poor off the voting rolls.”

That’s rich coming from supporters of the Jim Crow Party.

Cracks me up every time I hear a Democrat (or one of the halfwit supporters of the Democrats) spew that nonsense.

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 8/23/2012 @ 4:19 am

EPWJ,

The reason you don’t find fault with liberals is because you don’t find fault with liberals—you are one.
The Alger Hiss disguise ain’t foolin’ nobody here, cowboy.

Trashing Paul Ryan and Ronald Reagan is the domain of liberals.

We know that one of your most cherished possessions is an autographed copy of one of Molly Ivins’ insufferable tomes.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:35 am

I just managed to listen to this tape of the George Stephanopolous interview oF Todd Akin

He doesn’t sound too good on this issue, but I also get the feeling that he is sticking to talking points, and anybody that sticks to talking points always winds up sounding a little idiotic.

He really comes out sounding much more stupid than he possibly can be.

He wouldn’t say where he got the idea – now he does know – that Willki whom Stephanopolus mentioned was a big promoter of the idea that raoed women do not become pregnant and he was sticking to it AFTER THE CONTROVERSY STARTED.

hERE IS wIKIPEDIA ON THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Willke

Willke is a proponent of the concept that rape victims rarely get pregnant, stating in a 1999 article that “There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy” and that by his calculations “assault” rape pregnancy is extremely rare and about four cases per state per year.[3] In an interview on August 20, 2012, following the Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy, he said: “This is a traumatic thing — she’s, shall we say, she’s uptight. She is frightened, tight, and so on. And sperm, if deposited in her vagina, are less likely to be able to fertilize. The tubes are spastic.” These assertions were disputed by a number of gynecology professors.[4]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/us/politics/rape-assertions-are-dismissed-by-health-experts.html?_r=1

I can’t find the exact citation I read this week where Willki reaffirms this.

Here’s the 1999 article:

http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461

This is by no means the beginning – I know this sort of thing was said befiore Roe v Wade and not by opponents of abortion. Someone mentioned it used to be cited in high school debates.

Now Akin just says he was medically wrong, and mentioned Willki talked to him, without saying anythjing at all about Willki said on this point!

Has Willki recanted? Or not?

So he’s being somewhat disingenuous there,

Akin wanted to keep on apologizing for hurting people’s feelings, and never really hit any of the arguments head on.

He seemed to think even maybe or hoped it would be acceopted that the word leghiotimate near to rape was bad, but he didn’t say “legitimate rape” to imply it was OK, but rather that is was real or a true rape (violent?) as opposed to other kinds of things.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/23/2012 @ 4:23 pm

== but I also get the feeling that he is sticking to talking points, and anybody that sticks to talking points always winds up sounding a little idiotic.==

Sammy–talking points are what somebody (like Axelrod) gives to someone (like Debbie you know who) as part of an orchestrated movement to generate a broad, coordinated meme. I’m pretty sure nobody gave Aken those talking points before he went on air. He came up with that ignorant hooey all by his lonesome.

elissa (50b427) — 8/23/2012 @ 5:00 pm

“He came up with that ignorant hooey all by his lonesome.”

Unlikely. The basic hypothesis (that unreceptive women are less likely to conceive and/or carry to term) has been around for centuries.

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:21 pm

Daley, they’re not unconstitutional. WTF? And Romney was one of the Republican governors in 2005 who asked for even more than Obama is offering.

Here’s the letter
http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf
“Increased waiver authority, allowable work activities, availability of partial work credit and the ability to coordinate state programs are all important aspects of moving recipients from welfare to work,”

Read the list. Tim Pawlenty, Rick Perry, Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, Haley Barbour, Mike Huckabee…

And on top of that you’re defending Clinton’s welfare reforms; Clinton the rapist, the corrupt, the evil. You’re praising the work of Beelzebub!!

And letters now!
Utah Gov. Gary Herbert
“Freedom to tailor services, participation, work preparation to the family and the economic service area without strict regard to narrowed definitions of allowable activities will give us the ability to test out other models that may be better designed to an area’s resources and economic realities.”

Google it yourself

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:48 pm

Clinton’s welfare reforms were Gingrich’s – herpes boy just co-opted them

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:55 pm

you’re defending Clinton’s welfare reform

Those are the GOP House’s welfare reforms. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. Bill Clinton was forced into this. And everyone knows that.

He vetoed welfare reform twice.

It is dishonest in the extreme to credit him with something he made so much harder to occur.

Also, Obama’s waivers are not discussed in the letter you linked. Thanks for playing.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:58 pm

still sleeeeepy – Pull my other finger, idiot boy.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/23/2012 @ 7:59 pm

“Also, Obama’s waivers are not discussed in the letter you linked. Thanks for playing.”
The letter asked for more than Obama’s offering, putz. And the second letter from the Gov. of Utah, is from 2012.

And fine; you want to give Gingrich credit? You can give him credit for the health insurance mandate too.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/11/gingrich-once-wanted-health-insurance-mandate/45520/

Thanks for losing

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:15 pm

I see still stuuuuuupid still doesn’t know the difference between a successful idea and an unsuccessful one.

We’ll credit Gingrich for the successful ones.

Steve57 (5797fd) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:20 pm

Once more, for emphasis; we don’t credit Gingrich for coming up with ideas we rejected.

Thanks for lying, still coooooomatose.

Steve57 (5797fd) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:21 pm

The letter asked for more than Obama’s offering, putz.

We agree they are different proposals.

And fine; you want to give Gingrich credit? You can give him credit for the health insurance mandate too.

That is a completely unrelated matter, and you are far behind me on that. I have already criticized Newt Gingrich for supporting a federal mandate for health insurance.

So when I showed you were being dishonest, you responded with some pathetic insults and bizarre arguments with absolutely no bearing on what you were saying.

You gave Clinton credit for something he vetoed twice and eventually was pressured into. Newt got some issues right, and some wrong. His (or as I said, the GOP House’s) triumph over Clinton on Welfare reform is one example of where he got something right. Your pointing to an unrelated matter shows just how weak your position is.

Thanks for losing

I guess I get the troll, so perhaps you have a point. But you are wrong on the facts.

Also, Obama’s welfare issues have to be seen in the context of Obama’s historic deficit. He has been far worse on budgeting and spending than any other president in American history.

Do you see how my points are related to my conclusions? That’s called ‘logic’.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:23 pm

You can give him credit for the health insurance mandate too.

I realize this is entirely too sophisticated for still inadruginducedhaaaaaaze to comprehend. But when some theoretically conservative think tanks came up with a health insurance mandate, other conservative voices denounced it.

Hence it went no where.

All in all, having Gingrich on your side was a net plus. But having him on your side didn’t mean you signed on to every thought that crossed his mind.

This is beyond the slavish Obamabots, I know.

Steve57 (5797fd) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:26 pm

It’s just desperation on his part, Steve.

I also notice that Daleyrocks was arguing Obama’s work waivers are unconstitutional.

You see, Obama basically rewrote congress’s welfare reform. He didn’t take it to congress.

Did the GOP governors urging the Senate Majority leader to act somehow show that Obama’s unilateral action was constitutional?

Of course not.

Sleepy has completely ignored what Daleyrocks was arguing, pointing to something that has no bearing at all on the point, and then posing victorious for no apparent reason.

Sleepy claims the GOP governors wanted more than Obama’s unilateral and unconstitutional welfare.

The New York Times says, that includes welfarees being “exempted from the work requirements for six months”.

That is pretty damn extreme, and Sleepy has failed to show that the GOP governors proposed anything like this. The burden is on him to back up his own points.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:46 pm

“Daley, they’re not unconstitutional. WTF?”

still sleeeeepy – Just dispense with the unrelated talking points and answer a simple question. Can the President or Secretary of HHS unilaterally waive the work requirements of the 1996 welfare reform act?

The truth awaits you in that answer, regurgitard.

You need to find a new place for your lame game or give up on Obama.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:48 pm

201.It’s just desperation on his part, Steve.201.

Comment by Dustin — 8/23/2012 @ 8:46 pm

You could have stopped there, Dustin.

Steve57 (5797fd) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:53 pm

“The New York Times says, that includes welfarees being “exempted from the work requirements for six months”.”

Dustin – Great part about that is the New York Times confirms Romney is right at the same time they are denouncing him.

Liberal logic.

D’oh!

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:55 pm

Did Sebelius indicate she would approve waivers tightening welfare work requirements in her communications?

Of course not, the waivers will only be approved in one direction.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/23/2012 @ 8:58 pm

Great part about that is the New York Times confirms Romney is right at the same time they are denouncing him.

Yeah, I thought that was priceless. But they don’t have much to work with. Or maybe they want to make sure the folks getting those checks know who they are from.

Dustin (73fead) — 8/23/2012 @ 9:08 pm

Google “Clintonomics” or “Rubinomics” or Larry Summers.
Gingrich wasn’t responsible for all that crap. Neither was Reagan, since if you know the history, actually it began with Carter. It was a long process. I don’t approve of it, so don’t bother lecturing me.

The democrats moved to the right over 30 years and the Republicans moved even further right on economics at least because they needed an enemy to fight. Social issues are another matter, but Goldwater didn’t give a damn one way or another about gays. “The nuts” as Roved called them, or you, since a lot of you heart Huckabee, were just pawns. But now the inmates have taken over the asylum, and you’re burning it down.

Your’e America firsters but at the same time you’re anarchists who hate the state. Do you want economic glory or “freedom?” Pick one, you can’t have both. Power demands organization. You pretend to be Eisenhower Republicans but you’re not. You’re angry teenagers and moralizing drunks.

Huckabee backs Akins. Deal with it. The Family Research Council, whose leader spoke before the Council of Conservative Citizens (the KKK to you) backs Akins.
Romney has no philosophy other than the desire to be President.
He was for everything before he was against it. Except taxes. He doesn’t like paying them

Asia is on the rise. The Middle East is moving forward, regardless of our attempts to shut it down. Our “friends” the Saudis are in trouble, as they should be. The fight for democracy is on.
South America is moving up, in every way. Thanks partly to the “leftist” Lula, the Brazilian economy is on fire. And you morons scream about the “un-American, Democrat party” and threaten insurrection because a black man’s in the White house. You scream against the “urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.” use google.

“Screw the working class. Screw the poor. The rich will save us.”
That one’s mine, but it fits your fantasies.
You’re guaranteeing victory for all the countries you hate that you will never visit. I shouldn’t care, but I like peace, and idiots like you make it harder to achieve.
I’m a rich socialist. I enjoy my life, but I don’t want to fuck the poor. It makes them angry and that’s not good for long term stability. The Democrats became republican “Lite” and Republicans have become fascist. No wonder even Reagan’s old advisors are scared of you idiots. You are our future terrorists.
You’ll claim it was your only option, because the republic was taken from you.

still sleeeeepy (b5f718) — 8/23/2012 @ 10:37 pm

Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 8/22/2012 @ 11:04 am

Here in CA the GOP is well on it’s way to competitiveness with Peace & Freedom, Greens, American Independent, and that perennial party-of-principle”, the Libertarians.

With the open primary law, that may not matter, except maybe for some fundraising considerations.

California just hasn’t yet completely gone over to nonpartisan elections.

Sammy Finkelman (2178a8) — 8/24/2012 @ 3:07 am

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/d-s-hube/2012/08/23/nbcs-kelly-odonnell-forcibly-tries-tie-ryan-akin

narciso (ee31f1) — 8/24/2012 @ 6:22 am

204. …Liberal logic.

D’oh!

Comment by daleyrocks — 8/23/2012 @ 8:55 pm

The NYT will report the facts. But not until well into the article, after they’ve had the lengthy chance to convince their brainwashed readership not to believe them.

Steve57 (5797fd) — 8/24/2012 @ 6:37 am

Well not’s forget that the Times Robert Pear was dead set against Welfare reform, and wrote at least
one bleak ‘reality based’ scenario to discourage Clinton from signing the bill.

narciso (ee31f1) — 8/24/2012 @ 6:42 am

== but I also get the feeling that he is sticking to talking points, and anybody that sticks to talking points always winds up sounding a little idiotic.==

190. Comment by elissa — 8/23/2012 @ 5:00 pm

Sammy–talking points are what somebody (like Axelrod) gives to someone (like Debbie you know who) as part of an orchestrated movement to generate a broad, coordinated meme. I’m pretty sure nobody gave Aken those talking points before he went on air. He came up with that ignorant hooey all by his lonesome.

I am not talking about the original interview, but the one embedded here – the one with George Stephanoupolous:

http://abcn.ws/ReILaw

You could tell. He kept on repeating the same things (they always tell them to stay on message) and he avoiding answering questions or elaborating on very much.

At one point, all of a sudden, he shot out with “I was medically wrong” and then went back to what he had been saying and never elaborated on that.

I guess he got in that talking point.

It turns out Dr. Willki had mostly made a (somewhat faulty) calculation. It kind of resmebled that calculation where you prove that nobody works any time at all.

That 1996 study says it was national. I thought it was limited to teh area around taht hospital. I don’t know how anybody got a national survey. But the 5% of all rapes lead to pregnancy statistic looks very very wrong, and I can easily figure out how they got there.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/24/2012 @ 9:01 am

From the Wall Street Journal’s “Best of the Web” of Wednesday Aug 22:

…The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that a 1972 book funded by Americans United for Life, “Abortion and Social Justice,” contained an essay from Fred Mecklenburg, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology, who argued that pregnancy resulting from rape is “extremely rare.” One of Mecklenburg’s arguments, the P-D notes, “seems to have been picked up by Akin. A woman exposed to the trauma of rape, Mecklenburg wrote, ‘will not ovulate even if she is “scheduled” to.’ ”

The New York Times quotes John Willke, a general practitioner trained in obstetrics and past president of the National Right to Life Committee, who made a similar claim in a 1985 book and a 1999 article and “reiterated it in an interview Monday.” “This is a traumatic thing–she’s, shall we say, she’s uptight,” Willke tells the Times. “She is frightened, tight, and so on. And sperm, if deposited in her vagina, are less likely to be able to fertilize. The tubes are spastic.”

“Leading experts on reproductive health . . . dismissed this logic,” the Times reports. David Grimes, an OB/GYN prof at the University of North Carolina, tells the paper: “To suggest that there’s some biological reason why women couldn’t get pregnant during a rape is absurd.”

The hypothesis that the trauma of rape reduces the probability of pregnancy (by whatever mechanism) would not seem to be outside the realm of plausibility. But it’s not clear how one would test it. Obviously this can’t be studied in a laboratory, and statistical comparisons between rape victims and ordinary sexually active women would be fraught with confounding variables–not least that some of the latter are trying to become pregnant while others are using birth control to avoid pregnancy.

The Times cites a 1996 study in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology that is “generally considered one of the few peer-reviewed research efforts on this subject.” The survey of some 4,000 women “estimated that 5 percent of rapes result in pregnancy.” But nearly half of the participants who said they had been forced to have sex (47%) identified the perpetrator as their husband or boyfriend. Domestic violence is a serious problem, but a study that conflates the experience of women in relationships that included violent episodes with that of those attacked by strangers (only 8.8% of the reported rapes) cannot be considered a conclusive refutation of the Willke hypothesis.

Even so, that hypothesis has to be viewed with suspicion, both because it is so speculative and because it is employed in the service of a political agenda. Akin’s error was not merely that he chose his words poorly but that he tendentiously appealed to medical authority without being remotely competent to evaluate the credibility of its claims. Further, whether or not rape-induced pregnancies are “really rare,” the question of whether they justify abortion is a pertinent one–or would be under a legal regime that permitted restrictions on abortion.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/24/2012 @ 9:57 am

Jewish World Review republication of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch article by Tim Townsend and Blythe Bernhard

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0812/akin_medical_debate.php3

The dissemination of Mecklenburg’s article may have had more to do with the influence of his wife, Marjory, an early opponent of abortion rights who was a chairwoman of the National Right to Life Committee, an adviser to Gerald Ford’s 1976 presidential campaign and director of the Office of Adolescent Pregnancy Programs in the administration of President Ronald Reagan.

Today, Fred Mecklenburg is the former chairman of the OB/GYN department at Inova Women’s Hospital in Falls Church, Va. He did not return a call for comment.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/24/2012 @ 10:00 am

J.C. Willke, was president of the National Right to Life Committee in the 1980s.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/24/2012 @ 10:00 am

It’s pretty bad when a troll is running for the Senate. It’s worse when everyone feeds the troll.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/24/2012 @ 6:45 pm

8/22/2012

Akin: Moron

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