Aaron Walker Posts Transcript of Brett Kimberlin Deceiving Court While Seeking Peace Order
Read it all at Aaron’s place. I think this part is worth pointing out:
Kimberlin makes it sound like Aaron came out of nowhere — just one stalker helping another. But, in fact, Kimberlin initiated contact with Aaron, not the other way around. Kimberlin had filed legal papers seeking Aaron’s true name, ostensibly so that Kimberlin could call Aaron as a witness on January 9. But when Kimberlin learned all of Aaron’s personal information, he didn’t use it to subpoena Aaron. Instead, he put that personal information — Aaron’s home address, Aaron’s work address, specific information about one of Aaron’s past lawsuits, names of schools Aaron attended, etc. — in court documents.
Then, Aaron showed up on January 9 to have all that personal information sealed. This was the very hearing where Kimberlin supposedly needed Aaron as a witness — yet Kimberlin didn’t call Aaron. What Kimberlin did do is oppose Aaron’s motion to seal all of that personal information. This would cause a reasonable onlooker to decide that Kimberlin wanted all that information public — perhaps so that it could be published on the Internet, to harass Aaron.
With all that in mind, look at the section of transcript in the screenshot. Why, this Aaron guy came out of nowhere, judge! I have no idea who he is! He just showed up at a hearing!! He’s a STALKER!!!
Just one example of Kimberlin’s use of deceptive lawfare to retaliate against people who criticize him. Read it all here.
I admit, I am getting tired of the story. Keep in mind that it has been a year for me. Enough other people are aware of it now. It may be time to hand the baton to others who are less tired.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:11 pmIt’s actually been close to two years, actually, of Brett Kimberlin’s harassment. Since October 2010.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:11 pmWell, the elephant in the room takes 22-mos to give birth, so I guess we’ve got a bit more ahead.
AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:39 pmKimberlin is the entire 82nd Airborne Division of Crazy, all by himself.
Kaisersoze (298188) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:39 pmJust what did the 82nd-AD ever do to you to deserve such an association?
AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:40 pmThe great Mario Lemieux used to do this innocent-looking move where he would flex his arm and cause his opponent’s stick to smack him (Mario) in the face.
His team won a lot of games as a result of the goals they scored while that hapless defenseman sat in the penalty box.
Icy (6e2ac4) — 7/2/2012 @ 10:52 pmyest
sock of myself (311288) — 7/3/2012 @ 12:36 amDouble stalker!!!!!
JD (2c0b70) — 7/3/2012 @ 12:42 amMaryland – Land of the Midnight Fabricated Peace Orders.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/3/2012 @ 12:55 amScary how easy it is to rock up and lie like that.
Mind you, I’ve got some friends who have been attacked online because they harassed someone – how? they read her blog. Seriously.
Boy, the mind boggles what Kimberlin could do with that š
scrubone (4f0412) — 7/3/2012 @ 1:10 amBret Kimberlin’s Big Heist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvDpjVEskQw
Flippin nutjob.
Chants (67ba16) — 7/3/2012 @ 3:33 amJD … Lol.
Sarahw (c23a3a) — 7/3/2012 @ 4:43 amoh what a fine mess
Colonel Haiku (c85541) — 7/3/2012 @ 5:36 amin this world or teh next one
awaits Kimberlin
For someone with so much practice, he’s a pretty bad liar.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/3/2012 @ 5:51 amTell me, if the judge thinks that someone is lying, can he disallow the peace order even if there’s no evidence to support his opinion?
Is Kimberlin that convincing face-to-face? Does he have some sort of Svengali-like power that makes people believe what he says? I guess that’s a good ability to have if you’re a con-man.
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:07 amTell me, if the judge thinks that someone is lying, can he disallow the peace order even if thereās no evidence to support his opinion?
Of course. 1)The burden to prove his case is on the movant (Kimberlin); 2)the judge has unlimited power to determine credibility; 3)granting the order is an exercise of discretion — the lowest standard of scrutiny.
nk (875f57) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:31 amIn any case, even if Kimberlin were the purest of angels, there can be no prior restraint of First Amendment speech except for clear and present danger.
nk (875f57) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:33 am“Lawfare,” not “lawful.” Duh.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:38 amAll the way, across the sky.
What does this mean?
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:41 am______________________________________________
I admit, I am getting tired of the story.
It will be obscure or esoteric to the casual observer, but if it is applied to the bigger picture, then it takes on much greater meaning. Of course, it nonetheless is an extremely important matter to Aaron and others who have been or are caught in the web of “ambulance chasers.”
In terms of the bigger picture, to me it is analogous to the reports of the difference between the way the Great Mall in Washington DC was treated by crowds of people after the rally hosted by the Tea Party in 2010 and two proceeding rallies sponsored by (or that lured) liberal groups and people (one which was a salute to Obama). The former left behind a relatively clean, if not spotless, environment. The latter two left behind a location full of litter, full of garbage.
Mark (90205b) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:48 amPatterico,
PPs43 (af65ec) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:57 amI understand your weariness. You,however, are one of the few torchbearers against this evil. The forces arrayed against you want you to quit. This was/is the whole purpose of their lawfare. Please DO NOT let them win! You have many supporters who are happy to join with you and spread the message, however, We need leaders like you to keep this issue in the sunlight!
It does not let them win if I get tired of talking about it and others continue.
They win only if I stop because I am scared. And I’m not.
I’m not saying I will or won’t continue. But I am tired of it. There is more to life than one violent criminal and his crew of stalkers.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:24 amIts your life, Patterico, not ours to command. And you have family as your first responsibility, that’s certain.
But the Brett Kimberlin crime family does not seem to abandon grudges.
SPQR (26706b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:41 amCorrect, SPQR. I’m sure they’ll keep me involved even if I try to let it go. They are geniuses. Look how well this has all worked out for them so far.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:44 amRelentless, maybe. Geniuses? Not in this Universe. Definitely not Hacker L33T – I have seen more skilled script kiddies in junior high.
SPQR (348739) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:48 amPut another way: I don’t have to talk about Brett Kimberlin and Neal Rauhauser the rest of my life to show I’m not intimidated by them. I’ve already talked about them far more than I would have if they had not engaged in this silly campaign. And if they want to destroy their reputations even further, they’ll keep it up and I suppose I’ll talk about them more as a consequence.
But at this point I have mostly made my point. I have a few other posts about LulzShack, law enforcement response to the cases, Darrah Ford, and keeping up with developing news on the story. It won’t go completely away. But I work here is mostly done.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:50 amSPQR,
No. They are geniuses. Look how their reputations have been enhanced by the lawfare!
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:52 amYes, I am kidding.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:52 amThere have been aspects of Aaron’s response that have frustrated me, from the bleachers, but I have to give him credit for one thing.
He’s got Brett Kimberlin on record in more brazen perjury that I thought possible. Brett Kimberlin is definitely among the dumber of criminal geniuses, given how he’s produced a veritable torrent of perjury.
Sometimes I think he’s begging to be returned to prison.
SPQR (348739) — 7/3/2012 @ 7:55 amheh
I think it’s a sign of normalcy that you feel like this has gone on too long. You have other things in your life that you’d rather focus on.
How sorry it must be for these attacks to be someone’s main focus in life.
But it’s an important story and I hope major developments are covered. Thankfully, RSM has been providing awesome coverage.
Dustin (330eed) — 7/3/2012 @ 8:24 amMy prediction, Patterico?
That even hinting that you are tiring of the story will actually cause the Brett Kimberlin Crime Family to redouble their harassment of you.
They are convinced that they are SuperHeros. And SuperHeros can’t live without their Super Villains.
SPQR (348739) — 7/3/2012 @ 8:33 amJudge Vaughey, is like something out of Dukes of Hazard, and btw, Aaron came up with a much better
narciso (ee31f1) — 7/3/2012 @ 8:45 amanalysis of the ACA than anything offered up last week.
SPQR is probably right. Sigh.
They do seem to seek out signs of weakness and attack, as Aaron’s post explains. Even though their strategy is counterproductive.
I can’t think of anything any of ‘them’ have gained for all these efforts.
Dustin (330eed) — 7/3/2012 @ 8:45 amI can certainly understand why Patterico is tired of this. As others have said, the whole purpose of this is to tire him out.
I’m sending good vibes your way, sir.
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 7/3/2012 @ 9:02 amDustin, for real clues about what they have “gained”, we need to see Kimberlin’s non profits’ financial records.
And won’t that be fun … š
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/3/2012 @ 9:02 amAs an aside, Patterico, I’ve been trying to pump new life into the wonderful English word “brazen”, so I applaud its use in your twits … err, tweats … err, whatever they are.
OccupyRebellion and brazen liar are synonymous.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/3/2012 @ 9:20 amAs someone who’s read a lot but hardly all of this, dating back to last year…..what the hell was the real deal with Weinergate? Was it ever established who was behind Dan Wolfe/John Reid/the other Reids, and what purpose drove it?
radar (257ad5) — 7/3/2012 @ 11:47 amradar, what “drove” Weinergate is that Weiner transmitted a picture of himself to recipients he thought were underage girls. Nothing else “drove” it but his own self-destructive urges.
SPQR (f428d5) — 7/3/2012 @ 1:51 pmPatrick
Thanks.
Go ahead and rest… but remember to project your ability to destroy anyone who attacks you and yours.
The guy seems to opt for “brazen surreptitiousness”
Sneaking around in plain sight.
Stacy McCain is pissed off and in the vicinity. Right now if this was basketball, I’d keep feeding him the rock..
steveg (7c66bf) — 7/3/2012 @ 2:27 pmComment by SPQR ā 7/3/2012 @ 1:51 pm
what ādroveā Weinergate is that Weiner transmitted a picture of himself to recipients he thought were underage girls.
No, he didn’t (actually I am not sure if he sent anything to ETHEL)
What drove Weinergate is that he got caught in a vortex of lies.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/3/2012 @ 2:33 pmYA know … bloggers that are targeted by this idiot might want to use the ace of spades blog method of attaching an IP hash to each comment.
Socks become painfully obvious at that point, and even mere commenters can hunt down sock owners by using google to search past comments.
Kristopher (0583e1) — 7/3/2012 @ 4:19 pmI’m afraid not.
Dustin (330eed) — 7/3/2012 @ 5:34 pmThese people appear to be “activists” for a certain US political agenda. There seems to be no traction in getting any action against these people so far. At some point that larger political organization is going to have to either own these tactics as its own policy or completely divorce itself of these actors.
This is the sort of stuff that you expect to see out of organizations like Chavez in Venezuela. Did you read over at S.O.M. that apparently Rauhauser’s ex-wife’s home security alarm system was hacked into along with the web site of her employer? This after an interview with her was published at S.O.M.?
This is beyond political BUT we have what appears to be a group aligned with a political entity performing these act. At what point will that political entity become part of the solution?
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/3/2012 @ 6:39 pmSo, this crowd is either obsessive, drawing a paycheck, or both. I agree, they want to wear you out.
Do you have any indication that they have dropped persuit of someone without destroying them or without total capitulation by their victim? Has anyone been able to get them to quit through following the legal process? (I’d be having wistful thoughts about giving the harrasers a manicure using a hammer. The legal system just does not work on some people. Yeah, yeah, “Deputy DA” etc, but… And they might be bait?)
Finding who else they have harrassed should be easy enough? A few words with the ex-wife might be useful as well.
Phillep Harding (1b8b26) — 7/4/2012 @ 7:46 amStacy McCain is pissed off and in the vicinity. Right now if this was basketball, Iād keep feeding him the rock..
Oh yes. Yes.
On the other hand, maybe the task force of DEA, FBI, FCC and APA experts are already on the case, and will be following the “convicted Speedway bomber Brett Kimberlin,” and his associate Neal Rauhauser. Pat might know this is going on, and should lay low, only linking great work by the highly motivated Stacey McCain, and Aaron Walke, who only recently regained his inalienable rights.
ukuleledave (5f2a17) — 7/4/2012 @ 11:12 am“Has anyone been able to get them to quit through following the legal process?”
I haven’t seen any willingness on the part of the legal system to do anything. It’s apparently hard to get any traction when going after Democrats who use terrorist tactics to achieve their goals. The political machine doesn’t appear to want to devote the needed resources. Now if it was a REPUBLICAN doing stuff like this, heck yeah.
We are getting to the point where the Democrats seem to be modeling their political organization after Chavez in Venezuela.
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/4/2012 @ 11:34 amSPQR, by “what drove it?” I meant all the lunacy that followed Weinergate, not Weiner actually tweeting pix of his weiner. What was the motivation of the numerous phony identities of Wolfe/the Reids? What the hell was actually going on there?
radar (257ad5) — 7/5/2012 @ 12:43 pmComment by radar ā 7/5/2012 @ 12:43 pm
SPQR, by āwhat drove it?ā I meant all the lunacy that followed Weinergate, not Weiner actually tweeting pix of his weiner. What was the motivation of the numerous phony identities of Wolfe/the Reids? What the hell was actually going on there?
The later lunacy was an attempt to hide the older secrets.
Dan Wolfe predated the tweet and stopped tweeting almost right after that. John Reid 9 only appeared later. It was Niki reid who was contemporaneous with Dan Wolfe.
If you have no idea what secret John Reid 9 was protecting then he has succeeded, but basically he was trying to pretend that the socks Nikki Reid and Marianela Alicea were real people, and that they were not part of some organized conspiracy to get Weiner.
Important secrets were:
1) Who was behind all of that. And that would lead maybe to other things yet.
2) That “Dan Wolfe” had all the pictures he circulated right after the tweet several weeks before the tweet, but perhaps just didn’t know for whom they were intended, and didn’t want to be in the center of the story, and didn’t have a hook yet to make it into a scandal.
3) That Weiner was not in communication with Genette Cordova at the time of the tweet. In fact that he didn’t even know he had sent the tweet when he sent it, if he sent it. That he didn’t know about the tweet until the retweet.
I think Dan Wolfe was trying to force Weiner to break up with the girls, and Nikki Reid was trying to befriend the girls and learn secrets and maybe persuade them to go public.
The “lunacy” before and after the tweet was that different lies were told to different people, and sometimes two different kinds of lies got tried out at the same time. I mean Seattle545 posted links at the same time to two different sets of screencaps that pointed into two different directions. One of them had Weiner and Gennette being behind the Nikki sock and the other had some of Genette’s communications with Nikki.
All these stories had one thing in common: The socks were real, or at least they were not set up by some enemy of Weiner.
Patterico got told one bunch of lies and other people were told lies about Patterico. Lies Patterico himself could not believe since they were about himself.
This is still going on. You’ve now got one person who beleives that Ron Brynaert is an honest person with no (current) connection to Neal Rauhauser and Brett Kimberlin, and that therefore everything that anybody ever said pointing in the otehr direction is part of a fraud, and there were no swattings, and Aaron successfully plotted to take the mantle of lawfare martyr away from him, because Aaron and others could raise money that way.
Now I don’t believe he came up with these ideas all by himself.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/6/2012 @ 2:14 pmWhen I initially commented I seem to have clicked on the -Notify me when new comments are added- checkbox and from now on every time a comment is added I receive four emails with the exact same comment. There has to be a means you can remove me from that service? Appreciate it!
fast track watches (195d28) — 7/26/2012 @ 2:33 am