Patterico's Pontifications

Someday I would like some kindly person much wiser than I to take me step by step through the process whereby the permenant benefit-of-the-doubt that the Intellectal Left always extended to each iteration of any Communist revolution got transfered over to the camel-pestering Islamic squirrel-food.

I understand the pro-communist bias – sort of – because communism claimed to be aiming toward the kind of government-by-intellectual-elite that the Western Intellectual twerps hungered for so desperately.

But the camel-pesterers are violently anti-intellectual, and quite open about it. I realize that the Western Leftie Intellectuals are deeply self-destructive, but I thought it was deeper buried than this……

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:17 pm

Obama must be careful not to spike the football.

AZ Bob (d71a16) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:17 pm

But Obama will restore our standings in the world and everyone will listen to the United States for the first time since Bill Clinton?!?!?! Why isn’t this working?

Kaitian (da9520) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:18 pm

Women everywhere, rejoicing. Although, after Lara Logan, I don’t know that they can sink any lower in their daily disdain toward women. Likely, the perverse normative will become more unfettered and rationalized.

Caroline Glick has a very insightful look at how the Muslim Brotherhood played politics better and more skillfully than any other party to weasel into power and blunt consequences therein. Of course, it doesn’t bode well for Israel.

THE INEVITABILITY of the Islamic takeover of Egypt means that the peace between Israel and Egypt is meaningless. Confrontation is coming. The only questions that remain are how long it will take and what form it will come in. If it happens slowly, it will be characterized by a gradual escalation of cross-border attacks from Sinai by Hamas and other jihadist groups. Hamas’s sudden eagerness to take responsibility for the mortar attacks against southern Israel as well as Monday morning’s murderous cross-border attack are signs of things to come.

With the Brotherhood ascending to power, the security cooperation Israel has received from the Egyptian security forces in Sinai is over. And the regime won’t suffice with doing nothing to stop terror. It will encourage it. Just as the Egyptian military sponsored and organized the fedayeen raids from Gaza in the 1950s, so today the regime will sponsor and eventually organize irregular attacks from Sinai and Gaza.

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:24 pm

This is more of “Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss” than most people think. Tantawi and the Military still control the real power where it counts in Government, Money and Tanks.

Morsi was just elected President but Tantawi already made the move to ensure the Presidency was only in charge of street sweeping and dog licenses. (Comedy Alert: Egypt has neither).

Obama very certainly Effed this up, but its likely to be a long, slow motion trainwreck rather than an Iran or Afghanistan-style fast trainwreck.

Kaisersoze (298188) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:30 pm

Someday I would like some kindly person much wiser than I to take me step by step through the process whereby the permenant benefit-of-the-doubt that the Intellectal Left always extended to each iteration of any Communist revolution got transfered over to the camel-pestering Islamic squirrel-food.

Anybody who knows me will hardly call me kindly. I’m a bit young for a curmudgeon, but I think the word curmudgeon is more apt when describing me than kindly.

Other people who know me would choose different words.

But let me attempt to answer the riddle. Some people need a daddy all their lives. Communism supplies that. So does Islam. And, as long as we’re on the subject, so does Mayor Bloomberg.

There is just a segment of the population that’s horrified knowing that somewhere, someone might be free to do what they want.

And they’re comforted knowing that there are people who are willing to behead an infidel or administer a gulag or ban a 20 ounce coke and put an end to that kind of crap.

Anyway, that’s how it seems to me.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:35 pm

It is very heartening to see us begin to reap the benefits of NASA’s Muslim Outreach program.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:44 pm

==take me step by step through the process whereby the permenant benefit-of-the-doubt that the Intellectual Left always extended to each iteration of any Communist revolution got transfered over to the camel-pestering Islamic…==

Please let me know if you ever find a treatise that explains this because I have the same question. The transference is incomprehensible. Radical Islam is intolerant– anti woman, anti gay, anti education, anti modern culture and science, and to boot is based on religion!!

The only obvious connection that the “intellectual left” might make and appreciate is that both radical Islam and revolutionary communism are practiced by known haters of the United States and people whose goals are permanently destroying the American spirit, economy, and way of life.

elissa (c98b98) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:50 pm

I wish there would have been a way to predict this new development. /sarc

Noodles (3681c4) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:52 pm

daley, yet another example of JD’s keen observation, The Onion is going to be run out of business by reality.

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:54 pm

I’m still waiting for all the liberals to apologize for supporting a “student revolution” that led to this.

They wanted this revolution. Do they take any responsibility for the result?

It remains to be seen whether Islamists will obtain real power. They were able to do so in Turkey by being patient. I expect the same thing will happen in Egypt. Within 20 years, they will dominate the army, and every other institution. It’s what they do–take over institutions.

Businessmen just create wealth for themselves, their employees, and their customers. That’s great, but at the end of the day if the institutions are run by Islamists, the businessmen will have no power. Conservatives in this country should learn a lesson from that. We need to fight for all of the institutions here.

Daryl Herbert (1e4392) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:55 pm

Foreign Policy-total buggered failure. EU breakup, Islamic Winter, Syrian faceplant, China and Russia humiliate Dogmeat at every opportunity.

Domestic Social Agenda-Planned Parenthood sex-selective abortions, SEIU SCOTUS rebuke to go with WI, NALEO goofing, F&F Executive Privilege, EPA first enemy of Amerikkka, etc.

Economic policy-Euro breakup, Oil prices recessionary bright spot, unemployment flat, housing flat, manufacturing dead, green-shoots money laundering, yada, yada.

I know the Nixonian comparisons are rife with this POTUS but the campaign is looking more like ’68.

Donks will not be able to hold this together with stimulus spent, courts and statehouses turned and the remaining states fiscal basketcases.

Ogabe has no realistic option but to abandon re-election.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:59 pm

i’m sure glad we elected the smart people in 2008…

redc1c4 (403dff) — 6/24/2012 @ 12:59 pm

We were their air force in Libya. So …. Wait for Iraq. And Syria, soon. Three oil-rich countries. Egypt is not, but it can export unmployed MBAs who only want to know how to fly a plane, not how to land it.

nk (875f57) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:04 pm

Our family’s travel bucket list is now reduced by one: the great pyramids appear likely to be permanently off the list. We can only hope that the pyramids are treated better than the historic Buddha statues of Bamiyan were. I guess we’ll soon see if the new Egyptian president can deliver on his hope for an “Egyptian renaissance with an Islamic foundation”–or whether the thugs and religious autocrats will run wild.

elissa (c98b98) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:12 pm

I think we already knew that they won. The military people running the government really botched this up. Parliament was dissolved just before the runoff Preesidential election, so the other candidate lost his argument that they this would put all power into the hands of one party.

The Moslem Brotherhood never should have been so dominant in the Parliament either. There was a Salafist (far right almost Al Qaeda/Taliban) Moslem party. You know pro-release of Omar Abdul Rahman the leader of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers anbd as a matter one of them had a mneeting at the State Department and he asked for Omar Abdul rahman to be returned to Egypt. The Moslem Brother hood ran as the moderates. And otherwise mostly you had remnants of the old government.

Now the Moslem Brotherhood is a dishonest, run- from-the-top-down party that cheats in its own internal elections and people in Egypt know this.

They are probably getting money from other countries.

They broke already two campaign promises. They said they would not try to write the constitution on their own and they said they wouldn’t run a candidate for President..

They have also promised not to tear up the treaty with Israel, but actually they would just be looking for an excuse, which Hamas could provide.

Let’s get another invasion of Gaza, or maybe this time launch rockets from Egyptian territory and get israel to do something about it and they have their excuse.

The rest of the things would follow too. Alliance with Iran, attacks on the Copts.

Now the elections had been held without the powers of any offices being settled first. So when it looked like the Moslem Brotherhood candidate won, the government reduced the president’s powers to almost nothing and then announced the results.

In any case they are lookinmg for the old turkish model, but they went further. It’s really closer toi teh algerian model and their own candidate was somewhat lame. He didn’t do things to give people the feeling that this would be their givernment although he gave Egyptioan Christians at least the idea he would protect them and not start a war.

Meanwhile the transition is a complete mess.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:25 pm

Please let me know if you ever find a treatise that explains this because I have the same question. The transference is incomprehensible. Radical Islam is intolerant– anti woman, anti gay, anti education, anti modern culture and science, and to boot is based on religion!!

I take it you don’t think much of my theory that the transference is, in fact, quit comprehensible.

When you get down to the nitty gritty, people who gravitate toward leftism don’t tolerate questions very well. They tend to display an affinity for ideologies that don’t put up with that sort of thing.

It’s not what they’d say. In their opinion they’re the champions of individual freedom. But get away from the idea of abortion, pot, and freaky deaky sex and they’re absolutists. It would never occur to me, rightwinger that I am, to make a law about how many gallons can go down your toilet in a single flush. To a lefty it comes naturally, like breathing.

Two words for you, elissa. Individual mandate.

That’s how they roll. I think they look at a religion that has rules for everything down to and including which hand you clean yourself with after doing number two and they recognize kindred spirits.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:25 pm

crap you’re right elissa me I always want to do one of those nile tours

but you know fjords kick ass too

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:26 pm

Breitbart had an article in the last week, forget the author, on under-voting in the Democratic primaries.

Before all the news went end-of-the-world bad, bath salt zombies, Spain lost, China in recession, etc., Shinola was losing 30-40% of the vote to felons, no-names and blanks.

Who cares that the candidates are roughly at parity among those who will choose between them. BHO will get no more than 2/3 of Donks that show up to vote.

Sepuku is less humiliating.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:26 pm

Comment by C. S. P. Schofield — 6/24/2012 @ 12:17 pm

Someday I would like some kindly person much wiser than I to take me step by step through the process whereby the permenant benefit-of-the-doubt that the Intellectal Left always extended to each iteration of any Communist revolution got transfered over to the camel-pestering Islamic squirrel-food.

Ethnic identity trumps other left-right distinctions.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:27 pm

steve57,

I understand the emotional thrust of your theory, but what really baffles me is the complete mis-match in stated ideals. I knew the Intellectual Left was deranged to some degree, but I hadn’t thought they were actually this bat-shit insane.

BTW; has somebody exposed you to the life and work of H. L. Mencken? I only tried him because, for a while, I was living in Baltimore and it seemed a shame not to at least see what his reputation was all about. He was a wonderful, unappologetic curmudgeon with a huge appetite for life, and it really shows in his writing.

DON’T start with his AMERICAN LANGUAGE, though. It’s fun, but in small doses.

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:27 pm

One point – the next generation of the Egyptian military has many Islamists. A military government is not exactly the answer. It was better that Mubarak left last year.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:29 pm

18. So long as you skip the breakfast of herring, cold potatoes, weak coffee, dessicated rye toast, radishes, etc.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:30 pm

Mr. Finkelman,

But I’m talking about ethnic caucasians; WASPs with a levening of self-hating Jews. They have absolutely NO cultural common ground with the Qur’an thumping swine who infest the Middle East.

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:32 pm

I hope I didn’t offend anyone with the bathroom imagery. It was intended to make a point. US leftists and Islamists have it in common that they’ve come up with rules about what you do in there.

If given the choice between the Saudi morality police and a Cuban Committee for the Defense of the Revolution, I’d say there really is no difference. They both do the same job.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:34 pm

I heart kippers Mr. Gary it’s the damnedest thing really – I didn’t grow up eating them not even once, coming from non-kipper-eating stock as I do

hey did you know the norwaynians are the world’s #1 per capita consumers of coffee?

plus they make egg coffee! That looks very tasty really… this blog says I might could maybe chance upon this intriguing beverage when I’m in minnesota later this summer

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 1:47 pm

Mr. Pablo links this alt-current events take on the politico-islamist shenanigans in Egypt

at first Mr. monkey makes it sound all wheels-within-wheels

But the crowning of Morsy for President will lead to the appearance that the MB have won the Game, and SCAF made the rules of the game, so how could they lose it by Morsy winning? Why would they do that?

Well, because whomever the next President is, his first term will only last 6 -9 months, by law. You see, SCAF will write the constitution, and will do one that will be appealing to most people, and then call a referendum on it, and the moment that happens, they will hold the parliamentary elections and then redo the presidential elections as well, which Morsy is not going to win it. Why? Well, because we have a very impatient population that wants quick improvements and Morsy will be screwed because of the horrifyingly bad economic situation that will take place in Egypt in those few coming months, and not only because of the world economic situation or Egypt’s economy, but mainly thanks to the Ganzoury budget.

but here’s where he ends up

If you noticed, Morsy’s rhetoric stopped being religious or islamist, and more revolutionary. Sharia is no longer selling politically, with the population. If it did, they would’ve used it, but they are also aware that the way they used to get votes or support will not work for awhile. Political Islam is changing, and its practitioners no longer have their halos in the eyes of the public. The next parliamentary elections will not have Islamists winning the majority, at all, either way. The Game has changed.

This next phase is going to be a doozy. Save your money, people. You are going to need it.

he does a lot of blah blah blah but I think he’s basically saying that it’s the economy, stupid, and islamists can’t run an economy cause they so damn ignant

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:00 pm

Steve57 @1:25

I often agree with you and appreciate the thought you bring to the threads. But in this case, you’re quite correct in noticing that I don’t think much of your rather simplistic “they all just want a nanny state” explanation for the “intellectual left’s” mind boggling acceptance of religious radical Islam in the same vein they have touted secular/godless Communism for decades. Yeah, sorry, I gotta go stand in C.S.P. Schofield’s corner on this one. 🙂

elissa (c98b98) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:01 pm

maybe that cougar hooch at the IMF has some ideas though

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:01 pm

“islamists can’t run an economy cause they so damn ignant”

Mr. Feets – Whatever happened to common sense?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:16 pm

25. Feets, I will grant eating a litte pickled fish, preferring the very occasional sardine in mustard but at breakfast, no.

On the whole, Norwegian dining tops out with sugar cookies filled with jam. Brits have little to be jealous of, Norwegian humor is much worse than their ‘cooking’.

Dishwater strength coffee all one’s waking hours hardly improves on South American espresso with rock sugar. The egg does remove any bitterness whatever, but I like coffee chewy.

If you’re restricted to the cities you may have to look on the nets for a day trip for such cultural delight. Scandia, north of Stillwater comes to mind. Its really small but Stillwater and Taylor’s Falls on the same route are worth a look in their own right, on the St. Croix River.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:17 pm

The only obvious connection that the “intellectual left” might make and appreciate is that both radical Islam and revolutionary communism are practiced by known haters of the United States and people whose goals are permanently destroying the American spirit, economy, and way of life.

I wonder if it could be more base and farther under the surface where it remains unexamined and/or denied: both share a strong self-loathing resulting in a lack of respect for their fellow man, thus no value or worth for the individual.

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:17 pm

they’re such a resource-poor country and unlike Japan they have a welfare whore mentality where they expect handouts

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:17 pm

ok that is very do-able Mr. Gary – about an hour from where I’ll be – I’ll bookmark and research and see if we can make a day of it – and once you get there you’re right near a state park

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:20 pm

happyfeet @ 32,

I thought you were referring to natural resources and just shook my head.

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:22 pm

I sometimes wonder if the mental gymnastics required to imagine the likes of Che as Heroic Defenders of the Common Man have caused the Intellectual Twit Left to relexively adore anything grimy that carries a Kalashnakov.

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:24 pm

C.S.P. Schofield,

Ironically, it is because of the immense freedoms we enjoy here that Che, et al, can be romanticized and proudly emblazoned on t-shirts everywhere. Yet what it took, and takes to ensure those freedoms, fall under the country-loathing/self-loathing header.

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:29 pm

Dana,

There is also something uniquely American in a mass produced t-shirt/button/backpack with the Anarchy ‘A’-in-a-circle printed on it.

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:33 pm

Dana@2:17–

Just as the “intellectuals” on the left and media had never even seriously considered the unconstitutionality of Obamacare until they were forced to by Paul Clement’s brilliance in front of the supreme court, I tend to think that these same folks have not ever been forced to contemplate the reality of their obvious hypocrisy in accepting the human rights abuses of radical Islam. It’s just not on their radar even though it is bloody obvious to everybody else.

elissa (c98b98) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:35 pm

good point Dana

The concession of the mine was granted to Centamin, an Australian joint stock company, with a gold exploitation lease for a 160-square-kilometer area. Sami El-Raghy, Centamin Chairman, has repeatedly stated that he believes Egypt’s yearly revenues from gold in the future will exceed the total revenues from the Suez Canal, tourism and the petroleum industry combined.

Egypt’s excess of natural gas will more than meet its domestic demand for many years to come. The Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources has established expanding the Egyptian petrochemical industry and increasing exports of natural gas as its most significant strategic objectives and in 2009 about 38% of local gas production was exported.

plus they have many idle womens they could put to work… I guess they’re not as resource-poor as I thought

so they can knock it off with all the beggings and extortion schemes I think

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:35 pm

I’m not sure what you have against “The Five”. I mean, four of the five panel members are on the right. The only creep is Bob Beckel. I admit, his creepiness makes the show a bit harder to handle. But Greg Gutfeld makes up for it! I LOVE him!! Beckel will probably have a stroke or a heart attack on the show one day and they can just shove him off the stage and continue on.,

Alyssa_Vermont (0c467f) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:37 pm

Just because the outcome sucks does not mean the idea of Arab elections is a bad one — sooner or later it has to come to this. Bush realized this, acted on it, and pretty much succeeded in Iraq.

But maybe it wasn’t such a good idea having President FusterCluck in charge. After all, it took him 6 months to unseat a man Reagan damn near killed in an afternoon.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 6/24/2012 @ 2:53 pm

…I don’t think much of your rather simplistic “they all just want a nanny state” explanation for the “intellectual left’s” mind boggling acceptance of religious radical Islam in the same vein they have touted secular/godless Communism for decades.

I grant that it’s simplistic, elissa. But maybe the attraction that authoritarianism holds for some people isn’t all that complicated. In any case I’ve found this general rule of thumb effectively predictive of what I can expect from leftists. It’s served me well since college.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:10 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House on Sunday congratulated Egypt’s president-elect

— Heckuva job, Carney!

Heckuva job.

Icy (6540e1) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:14 pm

Now I wonder if Israel will re-occupy the Sinai and possibly Gaza. The peace with Eqypt was the only thing that allowed Israel to pull out of the Sinai in the first place and I remember US forces acted as a buffer there for years.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:18 pm

who will be the next victim? It won’t be Daniel Berg.

mg (44de53) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:31 pm

Israel’s Sinai catastrophe

Op-ed: Three decades after signing Egypt treaty, Israel finds itself without Sinai, and without peace

Hagai Segal
Published: 06.22.12, 16:26 / Israel Opinion

Israel now knows it can’t trade land for peace. It’s not even an option.

I wonder if our state department knows this. They have some sort of religious devotion to the idea that there will be a negotiated settlement involving Israel giving up some land. Ain’t gonna happen.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:44 pm

Now I wonder if Israel will re-occupy the Sinai and possibly Gaza.

I wouldn’t suggest that Israel should re-occupy Gaza. Who needs he headache.

On the other hand, if they re-occupy the Sanai Hamas would have to dig a tunnel to the Suez to smuggle in weapons from Egypt.

Another bright spot would be that the resorts in Sharm Al Sheikh would be safe for tourism again.

Steve57 (c441a6) — 6/24/2012 @ 3:55 pm

The reason that the intellectual Left accepts these Islamic states is that they view all religious people as effing morons and figure theocracy is the best government morons could have. One of the reasons they assume that the Tea Party (also composed of effing morons in their view) seeks a Christian theocracy. Never mind that Christian Conservatives join the Tea Party for reasons mostly unrelated to religion.

See Bilious Maher for a prime example of this worldview.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 6/24/2012 @ 4:05 pm

Trading land for peace was a Western attempt at somewhat delusional rationalization anyway. The Arabs were quite willing to take some land, be peaceful for a little while, crank up the violence to get another piece of land, be peaceful for a while, crank up the violence to get another piece of land, etc. They are operating on a century or even millennial timescale if needed. Western politicians are operating on a timescale driven by election cycles. The Palestinians would gladly take a little piece of land every 20 years for the next 500 until Israel is gone.

This has NOTHING to do with land. THIS is the ultimate crux of the issue:

Islam has several things that serve as foundations of the religion. One of them is, of course, the Qur’an. But there is also the Hadiths. These are basically interpretations of events by various religious scholars over the years and act as an important adjunct to the Qur’an.

The Hadiths say that the Jews lost Israel because they refused to convert and accept Mohammad as the Prophet of God and the Qur’an as the word of God and that the Jews would never regain Israel until they do so. Well, here we are. Jews definitely have Israel and they didn’t convert. So this presents devout Muslims with a dilemma. If they recognize Israel, the the Hadith must be wrong. If that one is wrong, how many others are capable of also being flawed? To recognize Israel is to recognize a crack in one of the fundamental foundations of their religion with no telling how far that crack might go. So the ONLY choice a devout Muslim has is to refuse to recognize the existence of Israel.

Egypt had a secular government. It is possible for a secular government to recognize Israel but it is impossible for an Islamic government to do so because to do so would mean the invalidating of one of the Hadiths.

Until this is reconciled, there will never be any end to things in that region no matter what some Western leaders might like to delude themselves into thinking. There *IS* however a way out, I believe. What it would require is a conference of the leaders of the several Islamic schools of thought and a pronouncement that the Hadith was true in the context of which it was issued but the issue of its perpetuity into foreverness was flawed and that this one Hadith and only this one Hadith has been misinterpreted by human beings, or something.

But something along those lines is the only way out of this mess because unless you have that or some great reformation of Islam, the Muslims are going to keep fighting Israel for as long as Muslims exist JUST to uphold that one Hadith.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 4:19 pm

Even as the Canaries died, he refuse to take the hint;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304765304577482690379062050.html

narciso (8bfa44) — 6/24/2012 @ 4:21 pm

Smart power.

Yay.

That speech in Cairo really raised the roof….
Obama is like the old cartoon Mr. Magoo

SteveG (831214) — 6/24/2012 @ 5:21 pm

The Hadiths say that the Jews lost Israel because they refused to convert and accept Mohammad as the Prophet of God and the Qur’an as the word of God and that the Jews would never regain Israel until they do so. …
But something along those lines is the only way out of this mess because unless you have that or some great reformation of Islam, the Muslims are going to keep fighting Israel for as long as Muslims exist JUST to uphold that one Hadith.
Comment by crosspatch — 6/24/2012 @ 4:19 pm

I never heard this perspective, but it certainly makes sense, though I have no idea how widely this perspective is indeed embraced.

MD in Philly (f0e1bd) — 6/24/2012 @ 5:23 pm

And now they are shouting that the capital of Egypt will be Jerusalem.

Pray for Israel.

Joan of Snark (89d2af) — 6/24/2012 @ 5:35 pm

“The Hadiths say that the Jews lost Israel because they refused to convert and accept Mohammad as the Prophet of God and the Qur’an as the word of God and that the Jews would never regain Israel until they do so. …”

crosspatch – When was that particular Hadith(s) adopted?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/24/2012 @ 5:53 pm

Some time before AD1000, probably around 800 or so.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 5:57 pm

“I never heard this perspective, but it certainly makes sense, though I have no idea how widely this perspective is indeed embraced.”

Because it is very unpopular to reveal it in the western media. It exposes how futile the Western politicians are with their gamesmanship. Until that issue is resolved, then there will never be peace with the likes of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc.

The hardline Muslims will never accept it. The less religious rank and file can, and have at times, accepted it from a secular government. Jordan is one example, Turkey is another.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:00 pm

http://www.danielpipes.org/84/the-muslim-claim-to-jerusalem

narciso (8bfa44) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:05 pm

Thanks narciso

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:19 pm

You’re welcome daley, Tom Holland’s latest also illuminates the matter;

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2012/06/24/the-game/

narciso (8bfa44) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:25 pm

This puts my mind at ease and makes me feel much much better because I always rely on Sen. Kerry for his special insight on foreign affairs. Headline from the Boston Globe:

John Kerry praises Egyptians for presidential election.

“It’s an Egyptian moment just as it’s been an Egyptian revolution,” the Massachusetts Democrat said….

Egypt has received about $70 billion in US aid since it became the first Arab nation to sign a peace treaty with Israel, in 1978. Yet, Kerry also acknowledged the frosty relations the Muslim Brotherhood has had with the United States and Israel and said much work needs to be done.

“Ultimately, just as it is anywhere in the world, actions will matter more than words,’’ he said, before reiterating Egypt’s primacy in the Middle East. “Egypt remains a key partner for the United States, a leader in the region, and a bellwether for the long term meaning of the Arab Spring.’’

elissa (c98b98) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:37 pm

I have a thought that the Intellectual Left should ponder, but won’t. The world has spent the last several decades teaching Israel that whatever they win in a war when they are attacked, they will be made to surrender to their enemies during the following peace. In short, it has been the unstated but clear policy of international diplomacy that the Jewish State should practice genocide if attacked.

If I were a ‘Palestinian’, and believed that my nitwit neighbors would attack Israel if Egypt did, I would pick up lock, stock, and barrel, and move elsewhere. ANY elsewhere.

C. S. P. Schofield (59ca34) — 6/24/2012 @ 6:57 pm

If I were a ‘Palestinian’, and believed that my nitwit neighbors would attack Israel if Egypt did, I would pick up lock, stock, and barrel, and move elsewhere. ANY elsewhere.

Comment by C. S. P. Schofield — 6/24/2012 @ 6:57 pm

They did that once already, remember? That’s how we got refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 8:05 pm

I think to understand this weird attraction of the left to communists and now Islamists you have to understand Rousseau and the influence of his “natural man” theories. He thought primitives were better than over-civilized (greedy property owners and clergy especially) men. So we get the Noble Savage and all that, and we fawn over “authentic” primitives in NatGeo. You never hear of pious leftists returning home from their Peace Corps stints saying, “Those people were idiots, and savage too.” And nowadays the visual of another mob at the barricades is superior to the visual of a handful of white men, say, sitting around hammering out a Dec of Independence or Constitution.

So he was the first global utopian useful idiot and responsible for millions of deaths. But who can deny its lurid dramatic power?

Patricia (e1d89d) — 6/24/2012 @ 9:06 pm

It makes sense about not continuing with “business as usual” � I couldn’t do it, either. But I can’t see ghost writing as being satisfiying for someone with as strong a voice as yours. Being an evangelist for the likes of Apple or Adobe might be cool, but would that let you continue with the stream of consciousness riffs that have obviously been satifsying for you � and been so energizing for us, your readers? Don’t know.,

Serenity_Maryland (0c467f) — 6/24/2012 @ 9:11 pm

nowadays the visual of another mob at the barricades is superior to the visual of a handful of white men, say, sitting around hammering out a Dec of Independence or Constitution.

Ouch.

The truth hurts.

Dustin (330eed) — 6/24/2012 @ 9:15 pm

Havana ’59, Managua ’79, Tehran same year, Caracas
’99, Cairo ’12.

narciso (8bfa44) — 6/24/2012 @ 9:27 pm

I think to understand this weird attraction of the left to communists and now Islamists you have to understand how deep their self-loathing is and by extension anything that defines them. They will be “for” anything that is against the order of things that defines their current self and any extension of that self.

They are American, America is capitalist, so they are against capitalism. They are white so white people are bad. Their parents are rich, so rich is bad. It just seems to me like it is all based in self-loathing and once I noticed that, I suddenly saw more instances of it in their deeds and rhetoric. In fact, if they ever got their way and did effect an “fundamental transformation” of America, one of the early things on their “to do” list would be changing the name of the country.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 10:19 pm

crosspatch,

I started thinking about that up at 32, but got distracted and didn’t flesh it out further.

I think the problem too with their end game is, no matter how far they attempt to get away from their self-loathing – whether capitalism, whiteness, rich, etc., all the horrible things they perceive that the must be segregated from or worse, do away with, they never can be successful. Because in the end, they will always have “themselves” with them. And there in lies the heart of the matter: the individual. (And that’s ironic because the individual is so de-valued.)

Dana (4eca6e) — 6/24/2012 @ 10:51 pm

@Dana

The thing is that it is always easier to tear down than to build up. What would happen once they have the entire thing torn down, they would all dance and slap each other on the back like Berliners in 1989 but the next morning they would have to wake up and start building something. And worst of all, they would be held directly responsible for what they built, there would be none of this “I inherited a mess” unless they did it like they did this financial crisis where they tore down the system on someone else’s watch and then dare to complain they inherited the disaster of their own creation.

But you’re right, Dana, they are never satisfied no matter what. They are just always agitated and it is always someone else’s fault. It is never their own fault that they studied for a degree for which there is no market demand or that they have no marketable skill of any sort.

People I know complain nearly daily about the high cost of medical insurance yet they have an android phone with a pricy data plan, cable TV with high-speed Internet, and spend hundreds of dollars a month on pot (I live in California). It is just a matter of priorities with them. The community should pay for their insurance because it is some kind of “right”. Well, if the community is going to provide the material things that are rights, when is the community going to pay for arms and ammunition for every citizen? I mean, I have a “right” to bear arms, so the government should provide me with arms, right?

I think we are on the verge, though, of these people facing a major setback. The situation in Illinois and California just isn’t sustainable. The situation in France is going to be just terrible with Hollande taking France in exactly the wrong direction at exactly the wrong time.

People are going to get a belly full of this “blue model” and it is going to be a disaster.

crosspatch (6adcc9) — 6/24/2012 @ 11:04 pm

Hillary to State’s “rocket scientists”:

Find me that Damn Re-set Button!

AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/24/2012 @ 11:22 pm

But, on a personal note, could we have the MB here in L.A.?
One, they would get rid of the insufferable Tony Villar, and that insipid City Council; and,
Two, The battle between them and the Mexican Mafia for control of the streets would be a sight to see – we win when there is no winner.

AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/24/2012 @ 11:27 pm

THE INEVITABILITY of the Islamic takeover of Egypt means that the peace between Israel and Egypt is meaningless

The “peace” between Israel and Egypt has always been meaningless. The Camp David Treaty was a stupid idea from day one. Israel gave up bases, natural resources, strategic depth, and forced its citizens who had settled there to leave, in return for nothing. The peace with Egypt has been no better than the non-peace with Syria, for which Israel paid nothing.

Milhouse (312124) — 6/25/2012 @ 12:19 am

Another bright spot would be that the resorts in Sharm Al Sheikh would be safe for tourism again.

At Sharam-al-Sheikh
Nahzor elayikh shlishit…

Milhouse (312124) — 6/25/2012 @ 12:42 am

The good thing is lots of natives in Egypt, Syria, Iran and Gaza will starve to death to keep Grads in the air directed at the Zionist scum.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/25/2012 @ 6:25 am

34. Marine on the St. Croix is a nice little half-way stop for ice cream and bathroom break.

Of the two state parks on the way, been to both and find the IntraState geologic formations more interesting. The other, McGuin or something has a center that’s Ok for a short break.

Horse country with bike trails. Square Lake about a quarter of the way is a really clean little lake with a beach and fishing pier.

Scandia and Square Lake are off the main Hwy 95 route.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/25/2012 @ 7:10 am

Huge Supreme Court ruling on the Arizona immigration law.

Dustin (330eed) — 6/25/2012 @ 7:20 am

And it’s looking like Justice Roberts wrote the Obamacare opinion.

And that means the biggest problem I had with the GOP nominee is about to be completely irrelevant.

Dustin (330eed) — 6/25/2012 @ 7:21 am

34, 75. If one runs out of time Scandia and McGuin are ditchable, the rest being a cool trip for kids.

Heading out during the week would be against the flow of traffic even at rush hour except for 694. Get on 36 via 35E and avoid the crush.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/25/2012 @ 7:39 am

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