Kimberlin’s Velvet Revolution Claims Kimberlin Was SWATted
On May 31, 2012:
The image is from velvetrevolution.us, but I don’t recommend you go there without serious proxy protection.
Interesting point: Kimberlin was interviewed by an ABC News reporter after his alleged SWATting, and apparently didn’t mention it. That reporter did not contact me until June 5, 2012. Her piece came out the next day, on June 6 — 6 days after Kimberlin’s alleged SWATting. Yet he does not appear to have said a word about it to her. Here’s what Kimberlin said, according to reporter Arlette Saenz:
Kimberlin denied he was responsible for the post, even saying that he does not maintain any online presence and said he and his family have been victims of threats themselves and accused the bloggers of constructing a “false narrative” about him.
“I don’t blog, I don’t comment, I don’t tweet on any blogs at all. This is a right-wing attack on me and my organizations and it’s a smear job. It’s a swift boat action against us,” Kimberlin said. “What they’re doing is an obstruction of justice and it’s defamatory. We’re cooperating with the authorities in this matter. They have engaged in a massive smear campaign against us that has resulted in death threats to me and my family and to others associated with us.”
He mentioned death threats, in a story about SWATting, and he had already been SWATted, but he didn’t mention the SWATting?
I suppose it’s possible. I didn’t publicly mention mine for almost a year, primarily because I didn’t want to interfere with ongoing or potential investigations.
Have they already wrapped up Kimberlin’s investigation?
FLASHBACK: According to an article in the Indy Star by Joe Gelarden, while awaiting trial on the bombing, Kimberlin promised another inmate bail money to go set off another bomb with similar components while Kimberlin was incarcerated, creating an alibi for Kimberlin:
You ever feel like someone is looking for a way to frame you for something? I’ve felt like that for months, ever since an anonymous Kimberlin supporter called “LulzShack” talked last year about how I was going to prison for unspecified criminal deeds.
Just throwing that out there.
Certainly, if this really happened, I want the criminals caught. But given the track record of the complainant, I have a very hard time believing a legitimate crime happened.
Its certainly common for Kimberlin and his associates to falsely claim that others are doing to them, what they’ve done. And creating false alibi is the basic modus operandi of Brett Kimberlin.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:14 amSquid ink a distinct possibility; distraction and false alibis are a tactic he’s employed or attempted in the past, why would that change?
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:16 amthis is a man who is very much encouraged and empowered by the feeble response he’s received from idiot coot maryland judges I think
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:24 am“I don’t recommend you go there without serious proxy protection.” Why? What is the risk?
gp (5a38d9) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:24 am…received in response to his outrageous shenanigans that should say
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:25 amAlso his martyr-publicity stunts one of the ways he’s clawed for prominence amond his marks on the left. That and pea-cocky rewards.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:27 amI’m sure @OccupyRebellion will be producing police reports for the alleged swatting incident online, along with the police reports for the alleged death threats BK received, otherwise it is tough to take them seriously according to their own standards.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:37 amWhy wouldn’t he go through with a self-swat? Reports are bonus
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:38 amHe was certainly prepared to have someone else commit another real bombing.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:39 amPuh-lease.
Mike Stack (66819b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:42 amAnd I am in no way, shape, or form a political activist.
I was smeared as a Weiner-hacker/stalker.
“Why wouldn’t he go through with a self-swat? Reports are bonus”
SarahW – No reason why he shouldn’t. I like adding false police reports to the list of charges.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:43 amTalk about mirror-imaging!
Sammy Finkelman (f1f0c7) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:43 amIt’s rather difficult to separate reaction to Weiner’s predicament from politics, at least it was difficult for Rauhauser – that much is plain.
And rightly or wrongly BFC was tagged as activist and political.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:45 amAce can relax a little now, maybe/ This is how Kimberlin has escalated. It really wasn’t escalation either in Indiana – it was rather divert the attention of investigators and prosecutors.
Another thought: Now that he’s a “victim” he’s entitled to briefings on the progress of the investigation – at least if they get close to charging anyone.
Sammy Finkelman (f1f0c7) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:49 amGood thought, Sammy. He might have been feeling rather thwarted since team K was so ineffectual at winkling out details.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:55 amAnd that’s one thing when the investigations are dead-ending. Interest of congress might begin to change calculations.
SarahW #13
And rightly or wrongly BFC was tagged as activist and political
Great point. I had kind of washed that part out of my memory bank
Mike Stack (66819b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:58 amDouble Secret Swatting?
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:00 amAh, the ole “it couldn’t have been me, see, I got hit, too!” routine. It’s a classic.
Seriously, though, if this happened to him, it’s every bit the crime that it was when done to Stack, Pat, and Erick. If some misguided soul did this, you’re not helping.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:01 amIf the tape is made available, and they do a voice comparison, will it also turn out to be Ron Brynaert? Would he do it?
Of course somebody needs to confirm that this really happened.
Sammy Finkelman (f1f0c7) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:04 amComment by Ghost — 6/11/2012 @ 8:01 am
If some misguided soul did this, you’re not helping.
Velvet Revolution links all 4 of them as being done by the same perpetrator or perpetrators.
Sammy Finkelman (f1f0c7) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:09 amI think we should take Kimberlin at his word that he was SWATted. Since Stack and Kimberlin are liberals and Frey and Erickson are conservatives, doesn’t this prove the SWATtings are non-partisan? Law enforcement across the nation should immediately investigate and find out the real facts.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:09 amIf bk was swatted it is certainly self inflicted, low life spirokete that he is. Like the dirt bag in “Dirty Harry” who pays to have himself beat up to confuse the investigation.
jasond (0b7791) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:10 amThe good guys have to be more tenacious than the bad guy, and they will. The magnifying glass has been deployed and once the rays of the sun focus on him, bk will be toast.
Kimberlin should promptly obtain and release his SWATting call so it can be compared to the others.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:26 amCertainly the record of the police report of said SWATting would by subject to a FOIA request would it not?
Rorschach (c5574d) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:00 amIf you assert that BK is lying about his swatting, then they think they have the right to assert that Pat is lying about his swatting.
If you assert that BK’s criminal past is a fit topic for blogging, they they think they have a right to blog about other people’s criminal past.
If you assert that applying for relief from the courts for perceived wrongs is an abuse of the system, then they think that they can accuse you of the same abuse when you apply the courts.
Recognition of this twisted sort of sophist ju-jitsu doesn’t make any less annoying.
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:05 amI tend to start from the premise that, as he is a liar and a con-man, and a forger and perjurer, one should assume the worst and work out from there. YMMV.
Wouldn’t it be something if the call was coming from inside his house. Of course that would require a spoofing his own number on VoIP. I don’t think BK has ever done or arranged anything “brilliant” but malicious cunning he possesses in abundance.
Don’t forget his musical ventures. He has access to sophisticated sound equipment and software I imagine.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:08 amI’m sure they will. “Producing” being the operative word.
Milhouse (312124) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:12 amIs this BK’s “Reichstag Fire” moment?
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:13 amOnly if you fall for the communist propaganda that the Nazis burned the Reichstag themselves. They didn’t.
Milhouse (312124) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:15 amI doubt there’s an investigator that stupid, outside of the Pink Panther films.
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:22 amLee has a blog up about asking The county sheriff’s office if it happened…
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:45 amFrom lee stranahan dot com.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:47 amBut it is already established that Kimberlin does maintain an online presence of the sort he denies as a part of his work — https://patterico.com/2012/06/07/hmmmmm/
Rhymes With Right (c6e21c) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:47 amWow, Lee can be a real bulldog, can’t he!
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:47 amThey aren’t being sincere. Of course anyone reasonable will assume BK is being dishonest, since he has a record of being incredibly dishonest whenever possible and if he’s involved with the swatting, a tremendous motive to run a false flag operation.
And Patterico doesn’t.
Anyway, I look forward to learning more about the Kimberlin swatting. Investigators must follow every lead available. There appear to be many. Not only are the swattings continuing, they are escalating. Someone is going to get hurt.
And of course, now Kimberlin will claim this is all the fault of Aaron’s blogging about Kimberlin, despite Aaron explicitly saying that if you want to help, be polite and petition the government to do the right thing.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:50 amKimberlin didn’t get swatted – http://leestranahan.com/statement-from-montgomery-county-maryland-public-information-office-regarding-bret-kimberlin-swating-claim
akw (47075e) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:54 amCross posted with ghost.
Well done, Lee!
Here’s a link to that post Ghost mentioned.
I suppose it’s possible that the county made an error or is concealing information because of an investigation. But I’d expect them to say ‘we cannot comment on that’ if the latter were the case.
If there was no swatting, and Velvet Revolution lied about this, they are interfering with the investigation and also have tied Brett Kimberlin to the swattings.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:56 amThere’s another motive too (for making this public) Remember, he not only reported this (or claims to) but made it public:
According to One Angry Infidel http://www.bobgriggs.com/kimberlin-saga-takes-a-turn-for-the-weird-kimberlin-claims-he-was-swat-ted/
The Velvet Revolution web page says:
Also in that One Angry Infidel post:
UPDATE! Stranahan contacted the Montgomery County MD public information office regarding Kimberlin’s claim, and received the following response:
And Velvet Revolution lawyer Kevin Zeese (who in Sept. 2010 sent a letter to Montgomery County authories demanding the prosecution of James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles) sent an email to Lee Stranahan saying:
Boldface mine.
They want to collect information. Get tips first. Or at least get alerted to what’s in the news.
And here you see, they are insistent on linking all 4 alleged SWATtings (3 of which at least seem to have really occurred, but I don’t think we know about the 4th. Depends on how much Kimberlin thinks he can bluff. I would guess that maybe some kind of call was placed, but nothing that would actually bring police out to Kimberlin’s house. Kimberlin could even claim he was not even aware of it for a few days. He could even claim not a call, but an informant but that it still qualified an attempted SWAtting.)
Sammy Finkelman (71b058) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:58 amComment by Dustin — 6/11/2012 @ 9:56 am
and also have tied Brett Kimberlin to the swattings
They’ve tied him to the SWATing, no question about it, because how else would they be so insistent they all are connected. You couldn’t, unless you knew And this is not his usual conspiracy theory.
Sammy Finkelman (71b058) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:01 amNot surprising the police have no record. Given BK’s temperament, there is no way an actual or (especially) self-swatting incident would have gone unmentioned by BK for a week. He will use anything at all to promote his “case” — even the truth if there is some at hand. The lack of contemporaneous reports is telling. Didn’t happen.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:02 amIt would be nice to ask the FBI what cooperation Brett Kimberlin and Velvet Revolution are describing.
Is there a reason the FBI didn’t follow all the leads in this case? Is it possible that someone claiming to be helping them was actually interfering? They claim they have been involved with the investigation for a period of months, suggesting a lot of interaction. Are they lying?
I want to know what went wrong with the investigation up to this point.
And though this isn’t obviously related, there was a false police report filed on Lee Stranahan by a Jennifer George. I think it is related and I think it’s strange that this lead was not investigated (at least that’s my understanding).
There are a lot of strange events that don’t tie in obviously now unless you think there was a wholesale campaign of disinformation, intimidation, and weirdness. Which I do.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:08 amAgreed.
Their meme was ‘there’s no concrete link’, and it was frequently offered.
This guy files peace orders to shut down blogging because of comments left on completely different blogs! He files peace orders if blogs are “annoying”.
But when he’s swatted… then interviewed about someone else’s swatting, he’s not complaining about his? that’s … incredible.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:12 amGiven that BK was supposedly SWATted a couple weeks ago, why would VR be involved with the FBI for months??
Lord Nazh (821ae1) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:25 am21.I think we should take Kimberlin at his word that he was SWATted. Since Stack and Kimberlin are liberals and Frey and Erickson are conservatives
DRJ
I’m not a liberal. Never. Not a ship-jumper. Never.Registered Conservative.
Mike Stack (66819b) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:27 amPlease show me some proof of where you saw that bit of fact.
Dustin- yes, I think Lee’s semi-SWAT is worth mentioning in the list of SWATEES.
MayBee (2f6e35) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:33 amKimberlin full of shit? Big surprise there!
Kaitian (7672b0) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:35 amI would suggest that Frey, Stack, and Erickson file a FOIA request to get the police case for when the police were dispatched to their homes and to post those records publicly. So that way it forces Kimberlin to retract his claim that he was SWATed. Also, since the MD Police is not like the court, I’m sure a FOIA request can go out to anyone that doesn’t have standing.
Kaitian (7672b0) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:37 amHas this from Lee been linked yet?
http://leestranahan.com/statement-from-montgomery-county-maryland-public-information-office-regarding-bret-kimberlin-swating-claim
The statment indicates there were no similar emergency cals in Montgomery County.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:43 amNotice how BK calls them all “attempted” swattings, when at least three were completed swattings.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:45 amhttp://wp.me/p22Hm9-Gc
Mike Stack (66819b) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:47 amTeam BK has also referred to an intruder, though I don’t know what date that is supposed to have occurred. Perhaps that was a false report, now puffed into a “swatting”.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:49 amParticularly since the police in that jurisdiction have no record of any such 911 call on that date.
Space Cockroach (8096f2) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:52 amI suppose to stretch speculation out a little further, consider the date and what it follows.
Perhaps he has been approached by LE regarding Erickson’s swat, and is treating any investigation of his involvement as a “Swat”?
He’s so truth-mangly it could be something as silly as that.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 10:54 amMike’s already been forthcoming with such stuff. But it was ages ago, before this story hit critical mass, so many aren’t as familiar with that.
BTW, I have never thought Mike was liberal. I think DRJ was mistaken about that (those who are newcomers here may not know this, but DRJ has the best possible reputation). I have not really seen a whole lot of political commentary from Mike, except that he obviously isn’t a big fan of the left leaning goofballs who claimed he hacked Weiner and proceeded to smear the crap of him.
Neal’s favorite tactic is to stir up fights, and it works. We’re all passionate people and we see this complicated mess differently. We make mistakes of fact that are interpreted as attacks, etc. I’ve had disputes with folks like Lee and Seth. Mike’s had disputes with folks I’m fans of. It happens.
Over time, it’s become clear to me that there are bigger things going on here than any of us personally.
This story is setting the stage for online activism and freedom of speech. The MSM was doomed by the blogosphere and the Tea Party was born because of new ways of grassroots activism. Naturally, there is a reaction, and it’s awful, and we need to nip it in the bud for the sake of our country.
It’s much bigger than Brett Kimberlin and swatting or any of the commentators. We’ve got to live up to the moment and let minor differences slide as much as we can. And if we can’t (I can’t in some cases), accept your limitations and consciously ignore what you know you won’t let slide.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:15 am@54, I have no doubt about the veracity on their stories but as for Kimberlin, I’m just suggesting to those three to post them publicly so they can call Kimberlin’s bluff.
Kaitian (7672b0) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:20 amI think you make a great point, Kaitian.
I also caution folks not to take for granted that Kimberlin can’t back up this claim in some way, even if it’s completely stupid. He’s not predictable except that there will be a plan for deception.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:21 amSounds like someone doesn’t like Patrick and the others getting the attention that he thinks he deserves, so he is not playing the “I’ve been SWATed” card.
I think that your right Patrick – if he was really “SWATed” he would have been on Mt. Everest screaming at the top of his lungs about it.
fightingwombat (ff5655) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:25 amAnother thing. When and if Kimberlin goes to court again against Walker, it makes me wonder if Kimberlin will use this “I’ve been SWATted thanks to Walker’s right-wingers so punish Walker for this because he started this whole thing.” Having the 3 police reports (which we have Stack’s) will end up helping Walker rebuke Kimberlin’s accusations if it ever comes up. I’m thinking out loud for Walker’s safety against Kimberlin.
Kaitian (7672b0) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:28 amComment by SarahW — 6/11/2012 @ 10:54 am
Sarah, I think you are somewhere pretty close to the truth here. In BK’s mind, having LE knock on his door and ask him a couple of questions can probably be characterized as swatting.
OTOH, if he experienced something more like what Patterico experienced, well, that’d be a darn shame, and I’d love to see some documentation.
Not because he’s a convicted perjurer; no, it’s because I’m a confirmed Reaganite who wants to “trust, but verify.”
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:37 amKimberlin ought to be raided by SWAT — but only when (not if) he’s actually doing something that warrants such a raid.
Milhouse (312124) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:42 amReminder: SWATting means falsely calling out a raid on someone; it does not mean truthfully reporting a crime.
Similarly, Justice Holmes’s famous quote is “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic”.
And “McCarthyism” means falsely accusing someone of communism. (Not that, as far as I know, McCarthy ever did so; but that is what he was accused of doing. If the accusation was false, then it’s ironic.)
Milhouse (312124) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:45 amSarah’s musings turn out to be on the money a high percentage of the time.
If this one turns out to be the case, that is
Cops asking questions about a crime are not the same as creating an emergency where someone pretends to be a killer at a target’s location. The Erickson swatting in particular, where the swatter says he’s going to shoot someone… as far as I’m concerned that is an attempted murder.
And what happens when a violent goon out there has all of Kimberlin’s critics wary of responding to weird noises outside with a firearm? What happens if some goons kick down a door yelling ‘police’? One disturbing consequence of the swattings is that many are lowering their defenses because they don’t want to be shot if they are armed when they are swatted.
They really need to prosecute Kimberlin for the crimes he committed against Aaron (ie framing and perjury), and then they need to offer him a deal if he has any proof about the swatter, who I believe is working with Kimberlin for a couple of reasons many have pointed out. As frustrating as it would be to see Kimberlin get another lucky break, I don’t think he is the person actually making these calls. And until that person is convicted, this story is probably going to continue escalating until someone is hurt.
Catching the swatter is the top priority. Any effort to keep Kimberlin under the radar is already a spectacular failure, thanks to Lee, Robert Stacy Mccain, Michelle Malkin, Ali, Patterico, Liberty Chick, Paul Lemmon, and over 100 other bloggers.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:49 amthat should have been deleted from my previous comment. Pardon my technical difficulties. 🙂
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 11:50 amComment by Ghost — 6/11/2012 @ 9:47 am
OMG!
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 6/11/2012 @ 12:05 pmBK lied again….in other news, the Sun came up this morning in the East.
This is exactly the behavior that I’d expect from someone that’s trying to deflect blame from himself and his cronies. It’s typical of the malignant narcissism that so pervades the Left.
Smokey Behr (494f41) — 6/11/2012 @ 12:07 pm“Hey, who threw that spitwad?”
//looks at innocent third party, rubs back of neck
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 6/11/2012 @ 12:08 pmSmokey Behr, the actions of the BK crime family are outside ideology. You actually don’t help with comments like that.
SPQR (d5ea09) — 6/11/2012 @ 12:46 pmAD-Rtr/OS I know that’s a silly joke but maybe you ought not to even jest about fake tips, even broadly and absurdly like that. “Cause anyway noone wants him busted for things he didn’t do, or ever to put law enforcement with any 3 letter acronym on a goose chase.
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 12:56 pmCleanup @ 67.
Kaitian (cb89a4) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:04 pmDustin,
You’re right. It’s been a long time since I thought about Weinergate and I’m afraid I confused Mike Stack with someone else. I don’t know anything about Mike’s politics.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:14 pm“Attempted SWATting”?
To me, “attempted” means tried and failed, not tried and succeeded.
John T (77fddb) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:24 pm@DRJ
No problem. That was the first time I was ever called that.
Mike Stack (66819b) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:26 pmIt kind of hit me like an anvil….
I sometimes forget that people don’t think about Weiner and I 24/7 also…:)
I’ve never seen any proof that Weinergate was whatever according to that Rauhauser or whoever was complaining about it. I mean how can you fake that? It was pretty straightforward and just don’t be sending pictures of your junk & half-naked pictures out to young girls.
Kaitian (cb89a4) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:29 pmIt was straightforward as far as the tweet from Weiner goes, but all the craziness that followed? Hell, one of Stranahan’s most recent posts at his site asks who’s behind @NicoleGennette Twitter account. That name popping up again. Who was behind the “Nikki/John Reid” names, and why? Was Neal Rauhauser the guy who sent the “Alicia Pain” emails, and if so why? Why the insanely aggressive attacks on anyone who brought Weiner down? The whole episode is still bizarre to me.
radar (257ad5) — 6/11/2012 @ 1:51 pmCouple of posts up at Gateway, my home page, on the left’s tactics biting back:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/michigan-leftists-decide-recall-is-not-such-a-great-idea-drop-petition-drive-against-gop-governor/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/87-house-republicans-sign-letter-demanding-doj-investigate-recent-swat-ings/
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 6/11/2012 @ 2:26 pmradar, agreed. It IS bizarre. The only way I can make sense of it would be for someone to have paid for a vigorous online defense of Weiner. Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin had no skin in that game that we know of. And we know he never does anything altruistically.
Question for all here (and I’m probably being paranoid but the hair on the back of my neck is rising)…does the individual in this link ring a bell with anyone?
http://www.real-estate-agent-lists.com/search/realtor_detail.asp?id=A6CB1047BF238072
creeper (f1f686) — 6/11/2012 @ 2:31 pmWhich is why not a single Democrat signed onto the letter calling for an investigation into the SWATTing. He’s funded, protected, and cheered on by the left. Their “actions” may be outside ideology, but their rationale and their cause is deeply rooted there.
Weiner was a hero to the nutroots. They considered him their man, their attack dog. He was a more charismatic Grayson.
Then he got caught. In their world there’s no way it could have been an accident, because it’s the kind of thing they’d love to set up. It’s the exact kind of thing Kimberlin was plotting about some of the prosecutors looking into his actions around Indianapolis.
Sure, they go after principled liberals who object to them. So what? That’s pure defense; they don’t expand their target list to lefties “just because”.
And fer krissake, Kimberlin ran a hippy-dippy tofu shop in Indianapolis in the ’70s. The guy’s as far-left as you can get. Yes, he’s also a sociopath — why do people act as if the two are mutually exclusive?
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 6/11/2012 @ 3:04 pmYes, he was carrying the attack against Goldline, Beck, the Tea Party,
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 3:10 pmexactly, narciso. Plus he had said something like there was no reason at all for insurance companies to exist, and he hated Justice Thomas.
MayBee (2f6e35) — 6/11/2012 @ 3:23 pmComment by SarahW — 6/11/2012 @ 12:56 pm
You’re right, of course, SarahW.
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 6/11/2012 @ 3:46 pmNot even our “rocket scientists” at DHS would believe a tip that AaZ was staying with BK – AaZ has more class than that.
It’s not that BK doesn’t align himself leftward. It’s that he’s only got one side, his own side, and he knew and knows only the left would have him.. He is not a true believer, but he makes very good use of appearing to be one.
Refusing to call out his methods will MAKE this a partisan issue, if it comes to that, if he keeps any kind of support despiate what and who his is. He is a fleecer and like any good conman discovered what people wanted and made them think he could provide it too them.
. He is not the vanguard of the proletariat, he’s an embarrassment. Lots of marks are embarrassed when they realize they’ve been had.
In Citizen K, p 52-54, Singer recounts his little cafe and earth shoe shop, which was a cover for his more lucrative drug ventures, and segues into quotes from people who were associated with him in the drug business:
“[Woody] McDermott remembered his first meeting with Kimberlin […] Larry Harvey introduced them[…] ‘Woody, the F-ing kid thinks he’s gonna be Howard Hughes.'”
“It didn’t take McDermott long to figure out what Larry Harvey meant. “Brett recognized certain qualities in other people that he didn’t have, and he also learned how to manipulate those qualities. If he could get you to operate under the pretense of camaraderie, then he would do that. He preferred to play upon your greed and your insecurity about your meal ticket. He talked about going straight, but he had no interest in that. He had an interest in being a robber baron. Selling pot was love and peace to the rest of us, but to Brett it was figuring out the angles. To him, it was money and power from the git-go. […] Brett was calculating.”
SarahW (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 3:55 pmExcellent job by Lee Stranahan!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 4:33 pmhttp://www.nationalreview.com/corner/302263/bozo-jurist-mark-steyn#
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 4:37 pmLiar-ists
JD (95e569) — 6/11/2012 @ 4:55 pmDustin,
The problem with simply posting a police report is that it won’t find the real perpetrator. Since they apparently used a VoIP telephone line there are several techniques to spoof a phony telephone number and address to the 911 call center. And unfortunately at the moment, there is no technical defense against these VoIP/spoofing attacks.
Technically, the VoIP provider simply transports the voice and any of the caller’s dialing commands across the Internet, and dumps them into the public telephone system at a distant location. There is no method for the VoIP provider to tag the transmission as coming from a VoIP line (or, for that matter, any method for 9-1-1 to receive such a data packet with today’s technology), or to identify the origin of the call while it’s being made. It’s possible that the planned Next Generation 9-1-1 network now in the early stages of planning will help eliminate these calls.
However, there are investigative methods for identifying the origin of VoIP calls afterwards, although it takes a considerable amount of expertise, time and multi-agency assistance to accomplish. In fact, this seems to be the biggest hurdle in the investigation of these incidents– a lack of law enforcement contacts at VoIP providers, no phone numbers or e-mail addresses to report such incidents, and lack of resources within VoIP provider companies for investigating these incidents.
In several incidents that occurred in Texas (where I live), the U.S. Attorney in the Texas prosecution praised the 40 agencies which cooperated to arrest their suspects–not an unusual number of agencies in these types of incidents.
To find out who actually SWATTed Patrick and others will require the police diligently pursue and subpoena records through multiple phone companies. I hope all of the victim of recent SWATTing push hard for the local authorities to invest the time to pursue this.
Joe (c21991) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:13 pmI closed my Twitter account, but you can all trust I am paying attention. Careful attention. Detailed attention.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:14 pmSorries for egregious typos. Lost my stylus again.
Noodles that sounds ominous.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:21 pmLOL Sorry, Sarah. I didn’t mean for it to sound ominous really. Maybe a little cryptic.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:26 pmGood points. Folks need to become more familiar with what happened here.
Sounds like a lot of hard work, but it’s worth it. Patterico did in fact discuss this matter with some agents directly involved with that particular success, and my hope is these people have control of the investigation (and also that such aspects be kept confidential until the case is solved).
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:26 pmIt seems to me if BK were truly SWATted and it was a right-wing attack as he claims, he would have contacted an audio expert to do a comparison of those he suspects of perpetrating this crime. And “those” would be bloggers that he (or his cohorts) has been accused of being unfairly critical of him. The list would be easy to compile, and there are plenty of voice samples to compare his SWATting tape with. Heck, just play back a few Stranahan radio programs.
That he hasn’t publicly released the audio (like to the ABC reporter)and that he hasn’t had it listed to by an expert – that we know of – doesn’t make sense. And makes the entire claim doubtful.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:38 pmDustin, thanks that is good to know.
Joe (c21991) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:38 pmBut don’t take too much comfort in what I said.
People need to contact their representatives.
In my experience, a hand written letter gets the best response from Representatives. I don’t know of a good way to reach Senators.
Calling your local (district) office and asking for two minutes to talk to your congressman is also a good idea.
And do it even if your congressperson is in the other party. This is not a partisan issue, and congressmen (and congresswomen) who can’t help you on policy sometimes see a golden opportunity to win a vote when situations like this come up.
Urge your congressman to ask the DOJ to investigate this matter before someone gets killed.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 5:48 pmA very dangerous bunch of thugs.. He (BK) wants even more attention to draw away from the fact that he is involved..
Alissa Dirks (a95d6f) — 6/11/2012 @ 6:50 pmI cannot figure out if I am shocked or amazed that they blatantly lied about this.
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 6:52 pmMy questions are: Is the $10,000 reward purely notional (The Kimberlin Crime Family believing themselves too clever ever to be caught); or, if the $10,000 reward exists, where is it from?
VR’s 2010 total revenue and expenses were approximately $88,000. I see a $60,000 grant in 2011 from Threshold, some other grants from other places, but those grants are dedicated to “campaigns”. So where do they release the $10,000 from, without violating a donor’s restrictions?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:05 pmYou think that is an obstacle to them;
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/11/The-Academic-Scandal-Elizabeth-Warren-and-Harvard-Dont-Want-You-to-Know-About
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:09 pmOff Topic:
My wife just gave birth. 🙂 She was a surrogate, and Gigi arrived at 236pm at a whopping 8 pounds 5 ounces.
Just thought I’d bring a smile to an otherwise stressful thread.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:25 pmIf jd calls someone a liar you can take it to the bank that that person wasn’t lying.
tye (cf6f6e) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:27 pmCongrats
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:28 pm“tye” – what names have you commented under? Less than 10?
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:30 pmOh, how silly – read all of it: http://thetrenches.us/2012/06/breaking-neal-rauhauser-believes-swatter-is-one-of-his-own/
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:31 pmCongrats ghost.
tye (cf6f6e) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:34 pmCongrats ghost
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:39 pmThat’s pretty bizarre, Dianna. Rauhauser is either delusional or thinks others are going to buy into some really insane POV.
tye, auditions for “made man” in the Brett Kimberlin Crime Family are in another thread.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:45 pm#96 – Ghost, congratulations!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:45 pmthis is ‘stranded wind’ Dianna, delusion is his watchword.
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:47 pm#103 – SPQR – He is definitely delusional. It’s the weirdest, most twisted read on the current situation that could be thought of. It touches facts and reality (as currently known) at only one point – that Mike Stack was SWATted.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:48 pmCongrats Ghost!
At Dianna, It seems there are many levels to that article.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:49 pmAgreed. My first question, when I read the embedded email, was, “Has Mike Stack even heard about this?”
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:49 pmThe best is the reference to “hate crimes investigation” … what protected class does Rauhauser believe he’s a member of? Morons and sociopaths don’t quite fit into hate crimes categories.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:50 pma brand new wee small baby! You know there are only so many born in any given year cause of demand is inelastic except for after world wars and such, and even then they don’t exactly grow on trees.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:57 pmSo we have a ‘Kevin Bacon’ situation, you would think they would have learned the lesson after the SDK fiasco.
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:57 pmThat’s heartwarming, Ghost. Will you be able to stay in touch with Gigi?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 7:59 pmNealR routinely offers his troubleshooting and protection assistance to future victims of their asshattery.
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:00 pmRSM has a new post up about the “trenches” article.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:00 pmI should explain, they were running Sandra Fluke,
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:02 pm‘Game Change’ and other ‘war on women; projects out of the same agency,
I am working on a large post about the Trenches article.
There is a significant tie in to a civil claim that has been filed against me.
Anyone who wants to start explaining that while I draft the post is welcome to try.
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:08 pmEr, no, because it all seems insane. I will await the post with eager anticipation, and hope it all starts making some sense.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:12 pm83. Liar-ists
Comment by JD — 6/11/2012 @ 4:55 pm
I condemn you, JD, for projecting your attitude on others!
-sark-
reff (4dcda2) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:14 pmMy take on The Trenches post is Neal is desperate to get out of any civil filings and thinks other people are dumb. Where did the email come from? No big mystery there imo.
Then of course there are the threats from Nadia etc. that Neal thinks will save his hide.
The rest of the article is mostly a set up, for another article.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:14 pmWell I certainly hope so! It’d be a pity if it all fizzled out.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:16 pmWhat is the connection between the Trenches post with the Neal email, and the threats from Nadia?
That question can be answered in two words.
One, if you’re feeling laconic.
First person to answer correctly gets a kudos.
This is none of it a secret. It’s just that it got buried in a very long long post and nobody remembers it.
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:18 pmI’ll confess, Patterico, that the incoherence/insanity of this bunch leaves me baffled at times. I can’t follow the weird schizophrenic “logic” chains.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:23 pm‘look squirrel’ it would seem Stack filled you in, and not vice versa, but this situation keeps spinning into the strange.
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:23 pm#121 – Patterico –
Leiderman?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:27 pmClarence Thomas and Andrew Breitbart are 2 commons themes of theirs.
JD (95e569) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:29 pmYeah, I am not sure. There are many connections I think. You were supposedly giving James legal advice, Brett Kimberlin, he is trying to frame you in a way. Not sure.
Also, I want to guess Rape Barn for the fun of it.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:29 pmAgree with Noodles.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:30 pmHmmmm, interesting. A old buddy of mine practices law in the same building as this Leiderman … I’m gonna have to see what gossip I can learn.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:30 pmOccupy?
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:31 pmI mean the higher up noodles (avoidance the goal )
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:32 pmSoros, that’s too obvious.
http://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-turns-away-guantanamo-challenge-170317095.html
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:36 pmDianna for the win!
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:37 pmThat Leiderman dude/account is very strange to me. Does anyone even know for sure if he is real lawyer etc?
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:40 pmFor bonus points, what’s the connection?
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:40 pmSure do!
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:41 pmHe represents Neal, Nadia, various Occupy people, etc….?
JD (318f81) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:41 pmDid he work for Brett Kimberlin or Velvet Revolution at any time?
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:42 pmIt really is amazing that Neal would have the audacity to ask Mike to waive Neal’s liability as Neal claims beandogs… who Neal has often taken some kind of credit for, are responsible for the swattings.
I think Neal should explain to the FBI why he thinks the beandogs are guilty of this crime. Did he tell the FBI why he thinks this? Has he given a tip to Kimberlin’s Velvet Revolution campaign to solve the crime, and have they passed that information to the FBI yet? Kimberlin and Rauhauser are associates, after all.
And I note a discrepancy. While Kimberlin and Zeese encourage tips to solve Patterico’s swatting, a serious crime they note, Rauhauser complains of Patterico “playing it up”.
If Jay is representing both Nadia AND Neal, neither should take advice from him in my opinion. They need their own lawyers. Who, specifically, does Jay represent?
Nadia is suing Patterico in a way that just doesn’t make any sense legally. In fact, since California is actually awesome on SLAPP defense, I think Nadia has opened herself up to paying Patterico’s legal bills. Who is paying Nadia’s? Is it Neal? Who does Jay represent? Has Nadia signed a similar waiver of liability as the one Neal asked Jay to get from Mike?
I see no indication Mike would entertain this scheme. This is what you’d expect from Neal, but not Mike, a victim of the same thugs who are trying to ruin Patterico’s life too.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:43 pmYes, but that’s already in the post, I was thinking subtext,
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:43 pmHe represents Nadia.
There are other connections to Occupy and Anonymous. But that’s the one I had in mind.
Stacy McCain says:
Hmmmm.
If so, was Stack the first?
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:43 pm*Deep breath*
I think he was actually neck-deep in the Weiner muddle; he represented the woman who dumped all those salacious Facebook messages, wasn’t he?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:43 pmAnd, oddly enough, didn’t kimberlin subpoena the emails Nadia stole from O’Keefe? And on the day that O’Keefe got the temporary injunction made permanent, didn’t Nadia claim the injunction was actually revoked? That was my understanding.
I should note, Kimberlin’s subpoena is improper because that lawsuit is over, so it wouldn’t make sense to demand O’Keefe’s emails on that basis. But this was around the time of the Richard Head (heh) demand, and I wonder if that was used to muddy the waters about abiding with subpoenas generally.
I feel like I saw the answer key to the test.
Good job, Dianna.
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:47 pmOh, it was much simpler than I thought! Good!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:47 pmAh, I hadn’t read the whole post. You’re right!
OK, to keep it fun:
Name other connections between Naffe and Kimberlin/Rauhauser.
There are many, from obvious to subtle.
No time to post now. Have to work. In the meantime, name them all!
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:47 pmDustin just named one: the Kimberlin subpoena for the stolen O’Keefe emails.
More?
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:48 pmThanks all. 🙂
The parents live in New York, and we’re in Oregon, so we won’t be at birthday parties or anything, but they’ve promised to keep us updated. They grew to love my wife through this whole process to where they just may talk to her more than I do.
My wife is an amazing person, and I didn’t think it was possible to love her anymore than I already did. I was glad to be proven wrong.
Back on topic:
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:49 pmI’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that kimberlin is being less than honest. Call it a hunch.
We’ve named Neal and Nadia; there’s always the Anonymous and Occupest connections. Names…well, Commander X isn’t really a name.
Please tell me it’s not that silly little git Barrett Brown?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:52 pmWhere did I read the most detailed account of Nadia’s civil claim against me? With screenshots?
Where did I first see the Richard Head email? And how quickly did it appear there?
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:53 pmI thought Nadia just ignored the Subpoena?
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:55 pmRaw Story?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:55 pmPsychotropic medication they OUGHT to have in common.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:56 pmVery acute!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:57 pmWho did Leiderman chat it up with before Nadia filed the civil claim?
Who encouraged her to complain to my office?
What type of suit did Leiderman and a certain Kimberlin associate talk about filing on Twitter? Is it the same type of claim that a certain convicted bomber threatened to file against some of us, in a discussion with Aaron’s pro bono attorney?
How clearly do all the puzzle pieces have to fit?
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:57 pmBecause of Breitbart and James is how they all came together (Nadia and Neal And Bret etc). Dat Email!
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:57 pmYou did? Where did you get that idea? She tweeted about complying with it. OccupyforAccountability claimed they have the emails.
I’m not sure any of it is true, btw. Still, that’s what they are saying.
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:58 pmBbunmasked, Duh
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:58 pmGetting subtle requires an analysis of Nadia’s tweets about Occupy from November 2011 on. And when they got hostile to Andrew.
Why did O’Keefe file suit? Where did the Olbermann/Shuster libel stories break? Who first mentioned them?
All interesting questions.
Patterico (feda6b) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:59 pmThe prestigious firm of two guys who fight the man for you got a mention, too.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 6/11/2012 @ 8:59 pm“You did? Where did you get that idea?” I think it was on her blog. Those court docs. The ones that had the Brett Subpoena on them (Idk if they were even real/some weren’t signed or didn’t look signed on the scan)
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:01 pmThese are some extraordinarily stupid people. No clue how this nonsense is going to backfire upon them.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:02 pm#153 – I’m probably wrong, but didn’t they all threaten suits about defamation?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:03 pm“Getting subtle requires an analysis of Nadia’s tweets about Occupy from November 2011 on. And when they got hostile to Andrew.”
Those same court docs say some things about her tweeting at that time.
Noodles (3681c4) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:05 pmDoesn’t ‘Anonymous’ do this type of misdirection, and Jay represent Anonymous, it’s like Chandler rewritten by Neal Stephenson,
narciso (494474) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:10 pmI share SPQR’s reaction.
Isn’t it amazing that Neal Rauhauser actually documented this scheme?
I guess he figured others would take the fall for his schemes.
A lot of the time, it seems someone else is more directly culpable for events that Neal is hovering around.
It’s a rather long list.
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CONGRATULATIONS, GHOST!!!
Dustin (330eed) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:47 pmThanks bro!
Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/11/2012 @ 9:55 pmIs this all part and parcel of trying to smoke out bloggers’ real names and identities, e.g. Nadia Naffe’s strangely intense efforts to out Ace of Spades? To what end? Does it dovetail with those two links RSM posted to old Neal Rauhauser strategy proposals where Neal seems to think that they can keep working backwards to finding a mythical deep-pocketed “Mr Big” who’s bankrolling and directing virtually all of conservative blogosphere?
And was Nadia Naffe one of the progressive activists Neal described as being “working undercover as low-key right wing operatives”?
Somehow I get the strange feeling this ties in with the left’s desperation to connect the Koch brothers to everything under the sun.
radar (257ad5) — 6/12/2012 @ 6:51 amYou do know why they keep returning to this idea, right?
Rob Crawford (04f50f) — 6/12/2012 @ 8:44 am168. 169.
Radar: (6/12/2012 @ 6:51 am)
Does it dovetail with those two links RSM posted to old Neal Rauhauser strategy proposals where Neal seems to think that they can keep working backwards to finding a mythical deep-pocketed “Mr Big” who’s bankrolling and directing virtually all of conservative blogosphere?
Rob Crawford 6/12/2012 @ 8:44 am:
You do know why they keep returning to this idea, right?
Without a Mr. Big, or someone they can pretend is Mr. Big, there’s no Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, and the bloggers are saying what they think and mayebn there could be truth to it.
Also, finding one opponent to focus on is a Saul Alinsky tactic.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/13/2012 @ 3:19 pm141. Stacy McCain says:
I’m not a lawyer, but what Rauhauser appears to be doing in this May 28 e-mail
No, the e-mail is dated May 24. Or did he see a version with the date May 28?
besides lying about me
In passing. He’s not sure whether to push that meme. The main evil character in that e-mail is Patterico.
— is attempting to inveigle California attorney Jay Leiderman into representing Mike Stack in a nuisance lawsuit against Patrick “Patterico” Frey.
No, that’s just a red herring. It’s the excuse for the e-mail. For why it supposedly was written. the e-mail actually assumes that Mike has already very much truned against Patterico, and even wanted to contact the FBI but neal says that’s not the best way to proceed. Mike Stack is supposeldy ready to sue and now Neal is introducing hi to the attorney. The request is does he think a small negotiated settlement is worth trying for.
The answer of course will be no and there will be no need to explkain why such a lawsuit was never filed.
He then also talks about writing a settlement for a Mike Stack-Neal Rauhauser lawsuit, and that may be real work but a long shot.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/13/2012 @ 3:28 pmToo many typos.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 6/13/2012 @ 3:28 pm