Chen to “Study Abroad”
The Chinese dissident and opponent of forced abortion will be allowed to stay in the U.S. — perhaps not permanently, but at least past the 2012 elections (which is the important thing for Obama). In reporting the news, Ed Morrissey lists the Obama administration’s mistakes in handling this situation:
Thus ends, one presumes, the shockingly inept performance from the State Department and the Obama administration in handling the Chen matter. The State Department all but pushed Chen out of the US embassy in Beijing, reneged on a promise to accompany him to a hospital, and then blamed Chen for the miscommunication. They let themselves be pushed around by Beijing, which miscalculated exactly how the rest of the world would react to their heavy-handed treatment of the anti-One Child Policy dissident, but that doesn’t let the White House off the hook for its callous abandonment of a democracy activist.
We are in the best, and most principled, of hands.
Throw the fetus fetishist to the wolves!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:54 amTo the Laogai for youl
http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_china/2012-05-01/report-us-rejected-chinese-official-s-defection-over-political-concerns.html
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:58 amShorter Obama; “We must be humanitarians and accept the millions of illegals from Mexico— and if you disagree with me you’re a racist—but we just don’t have enough room in our country for this blind dissident from China whose family is being threatened with violence.”
Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:14 amShorter Obama; “We must be humanitarians and accept the millions of future democrat voters
illegalsfrom Mexico— and if you disagree with me you’re a racist—but we just don’t have enough room in our country for this blind pro-life dissident from China whose family is being threatened with violence.”Elephant Stone – FTFY
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:34 am___________________________________________
They let themselves be pushed around by Beijing
I wonder how much of that, if any, is affected by China requiring that women get an abortion instead of a law that forbids it? I can easily envision leftists like Obama and the NOW crowd being more uncomfortable about policies that mandate women go through with a birth instead of laws that ban women from ending a pregnancy.
I know a variety of environmentalists (virtually all of the left) appreciate pro-abortion sentiment and practices, and, yes, there are a variety of eugenicists (a motley assortment of oddball liberals and conservatives) who have great sympathy towards such things.
Beyond the purely political, in a modern culture that prizes convenience, feel-good self-centeredness, and cheap, easy sentiment, pro-abortion activities and attitudes are more likely to be treated with a wink and a shrug.
Mark (411533) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:41 am3 & 4: you are aware that net migration from Mexico is now less than zero, right?
Generally: I agree the administration got pushed around by the ChiComs, but let’s be honest, at this point what choice did they have?
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:51 amOT: Today’s international headlines from the AP . . .
— Syrian forces kill teen in Aleppo protests
— Egyptian troops, protestors clash in Cairo
— Leader urges election boycott in eastern Libya
(key quote: “Eastern leaders say nothing has changed since the toppling of Gadhafi’s rule.”)
Cue Sloe Joe to praise the one-year anniversary of the Arab Spring.
Icy (486a22) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:03 amThe last time I read it, the second child cost about $3,000.00 in child tax. Don’t know what happens if the parents cannot afford to pay it. Ship her out for adoption to sterile but rich American old maids? (Although the Chinese say they’ve stopped child-trafficking. To America at least, don’t know about Thailand.)
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:10 amGenerally: I agree the administration got pushed around by the ChiComs, but let’s be honest, at this point what choice did they have?
Comment by Alex — 5/4/2012 @ 8:51 am
Homer Simpson: “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is: never try.”
Icy (486a22) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:13 am“3 & 4: you are aware that net migration from Mexico is now less than zero, right?”
Alex – Are you aware you are referring to illegal immigration flows from only one country and that this is a very recent phenomenon due to the success of Obamanomics and says nothing about the number of illegal immigrants remaining in this country?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:16 amDaleyrocks,
Very nice editing job on my post. You’re hired !
I wonder if Alex realizes there are already millions of
Democrat votersillegals andfuture Democrat voterstheir offspring already situated on our side of the border. The fact that Obama and his party have embraced their arrival, yet they turn around and show their back to this fellow in China, is merely sickening. Then again, we shouldn’t be surprised that Obama would suck up to the Chinese goverment.It reminds me of the Easter morning 5AM raid with automatic weapons drawn on Elian Gonzales by Janet Reno during the end of the Clinton Administration.
Millions of
Democrat votersillegals from Mexico are okay, but a single future Republican voter from Cuba is not.In each of the two instances, a Democrat President has turned his back on a refugee seeking to avoid being returned to a Communist Government.
Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:24 amIt is not the Maoists. The Chinese have been practicing female infant infantiside for more than three thousand years. Before in the belly karyotype testing, when the little girl was born they would put her outside to die from thirst, hunger, and exposion.
Chen is not just fighting the ChiComs. He is fighting a girl-killing culture.
And there’s nothing we can do about it, because then what would happen to WalMart, Toys ‘r Us, and Target?
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:28 am*infanticide*
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:30 am10 & 11: during which years did these illegal immigrants you refer to enter the country ?
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:33 amDidn’t want the risk of a second pregnancy. Investigated buying a Chinese baby. $80,000.00 for a two-year old girl. We should have done it.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:34 amAlex, get lost.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:34 amI agree w u #12
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:35 amWell, then, Alex, converse with us and don’t f***** attack anybody here who disagrees with you, and I promise to attack anybody who attacks you just for your opinion.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:39 am18: ok. Who’d I attack?
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:41 am18: please go hit up icy for me then 😀
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:42 amIf you have been here for any time, you know that I and Icy have been at it for a time. He has a combative style. But if I wanted perfect agreement … I have twelve mirrors in the house.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:45 am21: lol. Point taken.
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:47 amIt is true, you have been more attacked than attacking.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:48 am21: I don’t mind icy, I just tire of the personal insults combined with demands I answer him… I mean grow up kid! But let me stop now, kinda of a thread jack.
I agree w your point on the OP, China has us by the nads, sad to say…
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:49 amObama’s been such an unbelievable chickensh*t when it comes to standing in solidarity with pro-democracy dissidents… these should be the easy things: Shelter Chen. Support the Green Revolution in Iran. Meet with the Dalai Lama (!?).
I mean… “meet with the Dalai Lama”? How much more straightforward does moral calculus get?
Leviticus (870be5) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:50 am25: Chen is coming to the US and Obama did meet the Dali Lama.
Alex (937436) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:52 amWe jist be talkin’ heah, Alex.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:03 amWell, Leviticus, I have no regard for the Dalai or any other lama. China was the best thing that could have happened to poor Tibet. If you consider Muslims to be 700 AD, the lamas are 400 BC.
But I hear, that in Peru, they are very good eating and their wool makes fines clothes.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:08 am“Chen is coming to the US and Obama did meet the Dali Lama.”
– Alex
Not without a bunch of preemptive chickensh*t waffling on both counts, which is my point.
Leviticus (870be5) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:08 am“China was the best thing that could have happened to poor Tibet.”
– nk
I feel like you called the Chinese a bunch of slavers at some point. Maybe I’m misremembering.
Whatever else the Dalai Lama may stand for, what he represents at this point is a struggle for self-governance.
Leviticus (870be5) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:13 amI think daleyrocks’ first comment is important, and this has more to do with Chen’s protests of the one-child policy and abortion than it does with East-West relations. His protests don’t fit the current Obama Administration narrative.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:21 amThe self-governance is a priestly caste, of a few thousand, keeping a people slave to ignorance and superstition.
(You know I mostly agree when I am shown to be wrong.)
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:21 amThis was actually maybe I think the first time this year that Romney thouighjt there was any important issue with China beside stheir currency.
Of course, he’s have to deaf to ignore it. At least he is not totally deaf. But the problem is, what good is it if somebody is just telling you what you want to hear?
And on top of that Romney’s voice was a bit halting – he sounded like an actor who didn’t quite understand or hadn’t mastered his lines. Like there were too big words and complicated concepts there for Romney to understand maybe. I think he needs a teleprompter more than Obama. Really.
This was a bad mistake on the part of the Obama Administration that still did not correct an earlier mistake with the police chief of Chungking.
China decided to let him go because of their general public relations posture with the world.
Fortunately the people running China feel like they are amateurs, and somebody in the system figured out a “solution”
The system is heading toward its end – no more than 25 years left now, and that’s pushing it. It probably can’t survive two more transitions.
Still the U.S. nearly made an apology. There was what sounded like a promise not to let this happen again.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:35 amAgain, this is the first time Romney showed any awareness of any problem with China besides the value of their currency. If he doesn’t have the right people around him, he could do worse than Obama, except for things that only a Democrat could conceivably do. He’s not giving out an appearance of competence. He’s not. He never has.
Romney talked with Bloomberg too and misunderstood Bloomberg who wasn’t saying so much that he was doing an amazing job as that the city was. (There’s a big problem as to how he can get a decent successor)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:41 amComment by Alex — 5/4/2012 @ 8:51 am
Generally: I agree the administration got pushed around by the ChiComs, but let’s be honest, at this point what choice did they have
What is the reason for you making faulty excuses for everything they do? Please.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:43 amThe Chinese have been practicing female infant infantiside for more than three thousand years.
What made it rise was the one child policy.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:45 amSammy, let me defend Romney on this one.
The President has to conduct foreign policy. Romney isn’t the president right now, so he has to be careful how he criticizes Obama. Especially on this specific matter, which is an active issue. He needs to let Hillary and Obama do their job.
To some extent, politics stops at the water’s edge.
This sounds naive and even pointless in today’s totally politicized world, but it’s important. My hope is that Romney brings this kind of attitude with him, with far less political press conferences, and a less dramatic administration.
Romney spoke out, and that’s fine, but he kept things restrained, which is also good. There’s plenty of time to discuss this later. Ultimately, anyone paying attention has to see by now that Obama has made a number of bad calls in the past three and a half years. Romney can offer his own foreign policy (and so far it sounds good), without intervening directly in active matters (the way Obama surely will).
Dustin (330eed) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:58 amI am not condoning China’s One Child policy but consider why the government thinks it is necessary – population pressure. Look at the land area of China. Now subtract the nonarable land – the Gobi Desert and the mountains.
Jay Stevens (be741f) — 5/4/2012 @ 11:48 amThe elephant in the room is the huge debt we now owe the PRC. No matter who the president is, it’s hard to take America seriously when it says anything about how it;s chief loanshark treats it;s own citizens. There’s also an old legend that when Nixon’s State Department hectored PRC about it’s treatment of dissidents and humn rights abuses, the PRC official ended the conversation by asking “FIne. How many million of these people do you want?”
Bugg (ea1809) — 5/4/2012 @ 12:35 pm“China was the best thing that could have happened to poor Tibet.”
nk – Absolutely, the Tibetans love getting shot in the streets by Chinese troops. More please!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 1:03 pm“It is not the Maoists. The Chinese have been practicing female infant infantiside for more than three thousand years.”
nk – Complete BS. What are you going to do, protest the people doing it 1,000 years ago and ignore the Maoists doing it today?
Does that somehow make sense to you? Seriously?
Bush handled Chinese dissidents well by telling the powers that be there he and his Administration were taking a personal interest in the well being of them and having personnel from the embassy check up on them.
President Mom Jeans couldn’t be bothered and also lets himself be threatened with war in Europe by some two-bit Russian General. Well done.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 1:09 pm“Again, this is the first time Romney showed any awareness of any problem with China besides the value of their currency.”
Sammy – What is wrong with China’s currency? They probably think its value is just fine. Are they doing anything illegal or immoral when compared to forced sterilizations or abortions by sex? Just askin’.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 1:14 pm37. Agree with Dustin
39: LOL, and probably true
40: This is how the Chinese view it, they saw Tibet as backwards etc…. Maybe a corollary would be how westerners view the American Indian in the 19th century. Also, China had always considered Tibet part of its sphere of influence, and it was only until the Russians and Brits got interested in Tibet during the Great Game that China really cared about Tibet politically. (Meaning, this is when China started to feel its influence in Tibet threatened, but at the same time China was weak at that time and could do nothing about it)
Alex (c76e4d) — 5/4/2012 @ 1:20 pmDamn, I love a heaping helping of moral relativism. Does a body good.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 1:24 pmIt is not moral relativism to say that the Tibetans are an extremely backward and barbarous people.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but Tibet is one of very few places where they practice polyandry — a woman with up to three husbands — because they exterminate their little girls at birth.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 2:37 pm“It is not moral relativism to say that the Tibetans are an extremely backward and barbarous people.”
nk – It’s moral relativism to say that it doesn’t matter that the Maoists in China are aborting female babies and forcibly sterilizing women because China has been an anti-woman society for 1,000 years.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 3:14 pm“It is not moral relativism to say that the Tibetans are an extremely backward and barbarous people.”
nk – I understand they are backward but have no information on their barbarity. Why is the best thing ever to happen to them for Chinese to shoot them down in the streets?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 3:16 pm“According to GlobalSecurity.org, the People’s Republic of China had guaranteed no alteration of Tibetan political, cultural, and religious systems and institutions. China failed to live up to this agreement, however. The Tibetans began to revolt against Chinese rule in 1956. From that time, through the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1976, an estimated 1,200,000 Tibetans were killed and more than 6,000 religious sites were destroyed by the Chinese.”
Sounds great!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 3:23 pmRed China took over Tibet in 1951, and I thought the rebellion began in 1959, or at least that’s when it exploded.
The Cultural revolution ended before 1976 – what happened in 1976 was first,a near Hungarian Revolution in Beijing around the time Chou en Lai died- this actually resulted in some personal freedom because the government never tried to impose the kind of “thought control” they had before. Deng Tsao Ping got called China’ Khrushchev by his opponents in the party -0 he was purged. Hua Kuo Feng became a top person. And Mao died but then Mao’s widow and her three friends were prevented from seizing power (the Gang of Four)
May/June 1989 was really the second chance for a Hungarian Revolution but China was too big. They got soldiers from far far away who knew nothing.
Sammy Finkelman (0dadb5) — 5/4/2012 @ 4:17 pmI was not excusing the ChiComs, daleyrocks, I was blaming the whole d*** history and culture.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 4:25 pmIn a country with a population of 2.7 million, 1.2 million slaughtered does not sound reasonable. I believe the part of 6,000 religious shrines, but they likely have 60,000 left. It is a priests’ country.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 4:35 pmInteresting I was not aware of this before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/4/2012 @ 4:37 pmAs Deng Zhao Ping would say, narciso, 20 million dead in China is not a large number. (He said that about the protesters at Tiannamen Square.)
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 4:42 pmThere was a great article at the Washington Examiner pointing out the WaPo’s incredibly willful avoidance of stating precisely what Chen’s cause is in their 1,300 word story. No mention of forced abortions and forced sterilizations, as well as the one-child policy.
Newsbusters notes that CBS News Norah O’Donnell manages to avoid mentioning it as well, along with others simply referring to him as an “activist” with nothing defining it.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/4/2012 @ 5:17 pm“In a country with a population of 2.7 million, 1.2 million slaughtered does not sound reasonable.”
nk – That’s why it was so great! Mass slaughter brought the Tibetans out of their lives of misery as only Communism can. No other type of reform or change could have done it. It was a modern miracle!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 5:49 pm“I was not excusing the ChiComs, daleyrocks, I was blaming the whole d*** history and culture.”
nk – Your words – “It is not the Maoists.”
They are the ones continuing the culture who need to be criticized, but unfortunately, you don’t seem to see much need for that:
“Chen is not just fighting the ChiComs. He is fighting a girl-killing culture.
And there’s nothing we can do about it, because then what would happen to WalMart, Toys ‘r Us, and Target?”
Pure multi-culti moral relativism butt spew, pardon my french.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 5:56 pmAw, you believe that stuff, about political ideologies? Laws don’t grow out of something Marx or Engels wrote. Or Madison and Jefferson, for that matter. They grow out of what the people know and expect.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 5:57 pmYou don’t like what I’m saying, daleyrocks. Write what you want me to say, if it’s reasonable I’ll sign it.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 5:59 pmnk @ 15,
Investigated buying a Chinese baby. $80,000.00 for a two-year old girl.
Our neighbors a few doors down adopted two little Chinese girls some years ago. One day there was a big stork on the front lawn with a “Welcome Cece!” boldly announcing the first baby’s arrival. A few years later the same sign welcomed Elle.
Over the years, when passing by, the adorable girls appeared very active, cheerful and simply happy in their new lives. They were to have gone back to China when their father was named a Fulbright Scholar to teach Constitutional Law in Beijing (which has some irony) and also learn about their roots.
Anyway, Cece passed away this February at 8 years old from leukemia. Yet during her very short life she was so blessed to have not only been allowed to live, but wonderfully chosen to live in the arms of a family that loved her mightily. She could have easily been one of the millions of aborted little baby girls callously thrown into the garbage and not given a second thought. They saved her from a very unsure life in China. They loved her. Then they let her go.
I read that there will be 80 donated trees planted in our neighborhood this weekend in remembrance of Cece. Friends of the family have created paper cranes that will be hung on every tree planted. In China, cranes represent longevity.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:01 pm“China was the best thing that could have happened to poor Tibet.”
– nk
When did they clone Thomas Friedman?
Colonel Haiku (1f7484) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:03 pmYou cannot have the most vicious form of Buddhism, lamaism, keeping a whole people in the Fourth Century BC, so a handful of shaven-headed priests, dressed in saffron, will not have to work for a living, Haiku.
I doubt that the Dalai Lama believes the b***** he preaches, but if it exists he will be reincarnated as an amoeba on the Wheel of Life.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:24 pmI think I know what my good friend nk is trying to say about Tibet although I suspect he could have put more flesh on the thought if he wanted to.
Before ’51 Tibet’s people were subjects of an oppressive oligarchy. We dont absorb that because the face of Tibetan self rule is the Dalai Lama who was a child at the time and deals today inthe language of Western liberal thought.
However my good friend nk errs in the implication that those two choices were all that Tibet had.
SPQR (453cf2) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:26 pmHowever, I see that no one is seriously disputing that once again the Obama admin is working our foreign policy like the retarded morons that is the norm for the current admin “smart diplomacy”.
SPQR (453cf2) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:30 pmYou put the flesh on it, SPQR. Thank you.
The China of ’51 is not the China of today, either. Communism was an aberration of the Twentienth Century, and with the death of Castro will become a historical footnote. However, societies will continue to have the governments they deserve, by whatever name.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:35 pmAh but nk the China of today is the China of 51 with all the murderous true believers of communism replaced with murderous gangsters in imported Italian suits tailored in Hong Kong. So we see why they were so intent in talking the UK out of Hong Kong.
SPQR (453cf2) — 5/4/2012 @ 6:46 pmWhen was China not ruled by murderous gangsters?
You are right, SPQR. I am incoherent.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:32 pm“You don’t like what I’m saying, daleyrocks. Write what you want me to say, if it’s reasonable I’ll sign it.”
nk – You say whatever you want. I’ll say whatever I want. Deal?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:49 pm“Before ’51 Tibet’s people were subjects of an oppressive oligarchy.”
SPQR – The barbarous priests were terrible. The gentle embrace of communism was a soothing relief.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:51 pmJust like everywhere else it has been tried.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:52 pmAlright, daleyrocks. Deal.
The Chinese were a bunch of barbarians who moved East, when Santorini exploded causing a nuclear winter, around 1100 BC. They exterminated the aborigines of China. But they made some efforts into civilization. Like my daughter’s iPad.
The Tibetans still want to play pony polo with human heads.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:57 pm“They grow out of what the people know and expect.”
nk – Sort of Islamic doctrine and Sharia categorize women as second class citizens with virtually no rights, but we should not say anything about that because we do not want to offend non-Islamist Muslims, it’s not politically correct, and it makes us Islamophobes or something. We need to bite our tongues if we believe something is wrong because, shut up they said.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 7:57 pmdaleyrocks, I think that nk’s proposition reads more like the idea that Chinese communism is no less oppressive than Tibetan theocratic oppression but now the Tibetans get things like the industrial revolution, steam power, and might see a telephone in a decade or two.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:33 pmThis is eerily like the Russian justification for subjugating the Caucasus, over the last 200 hundred
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/4/2012 @ 8:38 pmor so years.
“daleyrocks, I think that nk’s proposition reads more like the idea that Chinese communism is no less oppressive than Tibetan theocratic oppression but now the Tibetans get things like the industrial revolution, steam power, and might see a telephone in a decade or two.”
SPQR – nk’s original proposition that “China was the best thing that could have happened to poor Tibet,” I would submit is a debatable point. I mean what is a little mass slaughter to lift the Tibetan serfs out from the oppression of the barbarous priests into the comforting arms of communism and oppression of the Han Chinese where they can now live like dogs with cultural rather than spiritual enlightenment.
It’s not like we haven’t seen this movie before or anything.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:20 pmOh, its quite debateable. My good friend nk likes to push his rhetoric off a cliff from time to time, pour encouragez les autres.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:31 pmThanks, again, SPQR. Like Patterico once wrote (more or less), the one necessary thing in effective communication is our audience.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:48 pmdaleyrocks,
You cannot talk anyone out of something he has not been talked into.
Now, won’t you please tell me that you can tell me how the Dalai Lama became the Dalai Lama, without snickering.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 9:57 pmIn China, cranes represent longevity.
I have a crane Mr. nk made it I had no idea it was symbolic!
that’s so cool
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:31 pmThe nurses loved me when I made them for them from anything foldable around. I’ll have one from gold tissue for you when you next visit Chicago, happyfeet.
nk (875f57) — 5/4/2012 @ 10:49 pmi look forward to it Mr. nk
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/4/2012 @ 11:10 pmReally, maybe she thinks it’s a debate between political factions;
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/abby-huntsman-romneys-chen-guangcheng-criticism-was-very-foolish/
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/5/2012 @ 7:19 am“The Tibetans still want to play pony polo with human heads.”
who are we to judge?
Colonel Haiku (3aaf23) — 5/5/2012 @ 7:45 ammyself I’d use Bob Beckle’s
but that ain’t cricket
That is not why China conquered it, Post War, as with Stalin, deportation of the Chechen and Ingush,
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/5/2012 @ 7:49 amit’s because he could.
We have the oceans. Russia and China, pre and post communism, need satellite states as buffers for their borders.
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:06 amnk – I know nothing of no Llamas, but you would probably argue that Russia was the best thing that happened to Afghanistan given your thinking, because it brought increased foreign investment and upgraded weaponry.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:17 amIt’s not unique to Tibet,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Xinjiang
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:21 amPoles and Czechs certainly think Russia was the best thing to happen to them.
Communism, is there any country it can’t improve?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:35 amEven in the Czarist era, when Poland was trapped in the Bear’e embrace, like bugs with the Abominable Snowman, ah the good old days.
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:37 amchina gave tibet
Colonel Haiku (d5642f) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:41 amblood red to use in sand art
by the barrelful
North Korea has been a true modern miracle under the benevolent guiding hand of China.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:43 amand who can forget
Colonel Haiku (d5642f) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:49 amchina’s gift to the NoKo’s
teh szechuan shar pei
Nobody can do much good in Afghanistan. We ought to take a hint from the British and the Soviets and bug out as soon as possible.
And why do you insist that I am defending communism?
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 8:55 ama question nk
Colonel Haiku (d5642f) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:01 amare you or have you ever
been a member of?
at end of the day
Colonel Haiku (d5642f) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:02 amteh colonel has no sense of
teh decency sir
And what are South Korea’s relations with China? What are ours for that matter?
Please, we are going around in collateral circles when we agree that the one child policy is infanticide, mainly of little girls. You say it’s communism, I say it’s the Chinese way. Somehow, you make that seem a defense of communism, bringing Czechoslovakia into it for crying out loud.
(Czechoslovakia got everything it deserved in my opinion. It had 3% of the world’s manufacturing ability and gave it to Hitler, without a fight, arming his armies, when its airforce could have bombed the the Third Reich into the Second Stone Age.)
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:06 amNo, Haiku, two of my uncles were murdered by communists, and another received three separate death sentences for murdering some of them without a proper warrant.
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:08 amI lost an uncle to Commies in Korean War, so we have something in common.
Colonel Haiku (d5642f) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:12 amMy oldest uncle fought the Italians on the Albanian frontier and the Germans in Macedonia. He came back home as a reservist, after the war. That was enough excuse for the communists.
My second uncle, may he rest in peace, was a young wannabe. He went up against better killers.
My third uncle, mother’s brother, was a freelance assassin for the SIS and SOE death squads, hunting down communists. He died at age 72 when his truck went off a mountain road.
This was the aftermath of WWII, 1945 to 1949. My father was the third brother of the murdered men. He did his best to keep my brothers and me from guns, but he, himself, never let loose of them.
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:23 am“The Chinese Government is the
Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:37 amworstbest thing that has ever happened to Mr. Chen ! You all are just too blind to see it !”Possibly, Elephant Stone. Pre-communism, he would have been naked, begging for a bowl of rice, on a roadside.
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 9:44 amI had one uncle, who drowned in the Florida straights, a cousin who fought at the Bay of Pigs,
narciso (8d0f34) — 5/5/2012 @ 10:23 amanother who fought in Vietnam, the point is despite China’s poor Mao administration, they didn’t practice these particular elements, until 1949
NK,
Mr. Chen doesn’t live in a straw man world.
Rather, he lives in his present situation during present times.
I mean, if we get to play, ‘what if,’ then let’s hypothesize “what if Mr. Chen were not blind.” Or, “What if Mr. Chen were born in America,” et al.
Fact is, a majority of China, particularly inland, remains impoverished even after Communism took root.
But the point is, Mr. Chen is not even a barbarian Tibetan for whom the Chinese Government was “the best thing” to happen to them.
Yet, Mr. Chen is still mistreated. In fact, he asserts that “the best thing for HIM,” is to allow him and his family to live without fear of retaliation by the Chinese Government. Yet the Chinese Government will not even allow a blind man to escape their iron fist. And sadly, neither will Barack or Hillary.
Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 5/5/2012 @ 10:27 amHe should have picked American birth.
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 10:30 amWant to got to Darfur and count the skletons of babies? Or maybe to the Congo to count the boy soldiers and girl sex-slaves? What the f*** are you guys talking about? Ok, so one blind guy fights his government. I agree with him. I wish him all the best. I’ve said it a dozen times. What is your point? That China is an evil place? I said that I agree with that too. Do you shop at WalMart, Toys ‘r Us and Target?
nk (875f57) — 5/5/2012 @ 10:36 amWe all knew 0bama would vote “present”, but Hillary also showed she doesn’t have the ovaries to stand on principle. Good points, elephant stone.
Colonel Haiku (f36c14) — 5/5/2012 @ 10:47 amHow did we miss Patterico’s title of the post?
I studied a broad for 21 years before she asked me to stop.
nk (875f57) — 5/6/2012 @ 5:42 pmnk, 21 years is a long time to wait for a restraining order.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/6/2012 @ 5:43 pm😉
nk (875f57) — 5/6/2012 @ 5:53 pm