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2/4/2012

Ron Paul campaign denies white supremacist ties

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 6:00 am



[Posted by Karl]

Only the naive thought stories like this were going away:

Political hacktivist group Anonymous claims to have found emails linking Texas Rep. Ron Paul to an American white supremacist group, a claim the Paul campaign says is completely untrue.

Las Vegas-based group American Third Party Position (AP3) — whose stated goal is “to reach out to Americans of European ancestry and particularly to disenfranchised White workers, farmers and students who have become victims of the discriminatory affirmative action policies” — was allegedly hacked by Anonymous Tuesday, and emails purportedly reveal close ties between Paul and members who are admitted white supremacists.

Last week the story was that Paul was deeply involved in the company that produced racist, anti-gay, conspiracy-mongering newsletters, Ron Paul & Associates, and closely monitored its operations, signing off on articles and speaking to staff members virtually every day.

I am in no position to confirm or deny the Anonymous claims, but Paul is the guy who once bragged about how much money he raised from the mailing list for The Spotlight, the conspiracy-mongering, anti-Semitic tabloid run by the Holocaust denier Willis Carto.  Paul’s columns appeared in  in the American Free Press — another Carto publication.  His 2008 campaign was, er, unconcerned about donations coming via the Stormfront website.  And Paul’s association with Civil War revisionists and the John Birch Society are recent-to-ongoing.  Accordingly, the campaign’s denials are going to be met with skepticism in many quarters.

But probably not from all quarters.  My interest in the newsletter story has been Paul’s apologists and supporters in the media and libertarian circles.  These folks are are spinning for Paul because they see his campaign as their best chance at gaining real-world political influence.  That’s interesting insofar as these sorts of libertarians generally look down on supporters of the major parties as grubby and unprincipled.  But for all their touting of Ron Paul as the principled candidate in the race, he’s a poseur on entitlements.

Beyond what these stories reveal about supposedly principled libertarians, there is a potential residual effect on the election.  Although Paul is downplaying expectations for the Nevada caucus, it appears he plans to stay in the race and amass as many delegates as he can for leverage at the GOP convention.  Giving Paul a prime speaking slot or influence over the platform will give the establishment media a chance to drape his dirty laundry all over the eventual nominee, much as they hung Pat Buchanan’s around the neck of George H. W. Bush in 1992.

–Karl

101 Responses to “Ron Paul campaign denies white supremacist ties”

  1. would Newt have any problem calling Ron Paul out.?Romney is coordinating with Paul, according to NewsMax.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  2. Yesterday Bill Gross of PIMCO today another money genius:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/marc-faber-ron-paul-would-be-very-good-president

    These two are Warren Buffett(Investor), Bill Gates(Monopolist)-analogous traders.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  3. Supporting SaraW’s protest vote in VA there’s the argument that POTUS will not have a free hand in foreign policy, viz. First Duffer’s capitulation on the OBL takedown.

    Sure he takes credit for the burial at sea of the porn addict but he fought the erasure tooth and nail only to be overruled by Panetta, Clinton and Gates.

    Ronaldus Paoulus will not be half the trouble for los officiales. Siesta at 2:00 PM.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  4. Paul is a bigot and a pork fiend.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  5. Gosh, and I thought the permabulls at CNBC were ciphers:

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/02/03/if-japan-is-our-worst-case-scenario-were-all-righ.aspx

    ” Consider:

    •The highest Japan’s unemployment rate has been in the last 20 years is 5.5%. Its current unemployment rate, 4.6%, is about half that of the United States. Among those of prime working age, unemployment is virtually nonexistent in Japan today.”

    Japan has a declining homogenous population, small wonder.

    “•Japan’s average life expectancy at birth increased by more than four years — from 78.8 years to 83 years — between 1989 and 2009. Japanese, Fingleton points out, “now typically live 4.8 years longer than Americans,” and better health care is a major factor.”

    Hypochondriacs live longer? The differential rate of increase is falling.

    “•Japan had a current account surplus of nearly $200 billion in 2010, up threefold in 20 years. By contrast, America’s current account deficit was nearly half a trillion dollars in 2010, up fivefold in 20 years. In short, Japan supplies the world with products and capital, while America supplies it with debt.”

    But the current account has turned negative in 2012.

    •Based on purchasing power parity, Japan’s income per capita has grown at nearly the same rate as America’s over the last 20 years (0.8% vs. 1%, respectively).”

    I think he means ‘corrected for PPP’, what about Real Disposable Income Growth? Japan’s flat or falling, US ditto?

    “•According to the Japanese Statistics Bureau, during the “lost decade” of 1991-2001, the average Japanese citizen spent more time enjoying arts and culture, gardening, reading books, sightseeing outside the country, and visiting family.”

    Glass half full.

    “•The yen has strengthened 87% against the dollar and 94% against the pound over the last two decades.”

    The flip side is an altogether good thing for Amerikkka?

    “•Japan’s ranking in the world Corruption Perceptions Index has increased substantially over the last decade, and is now well ahead of the U.S.”

    Japan is tanking on this index faster than we are, Yakuza more effective than mafiosi, vietnamese gangs, bloods and crips, and, oh yeah, DC lobbyists.

    Oh sweet Saint of Andrea, please grant us the Big One as you so blessed our Japanese competitor.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  6. Leftys really don’t care if we become another Zimbabwe.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  7. ” it appears he plans to stay in the race and amass as many delegates as he can for leverage at the GOP convention.”

    And there are reports from IA and NH that among McBain’s approved delegates are minions loyal to Sauron on a second ballot.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  8. Panetta gives war between Iran/Syria/Hizb`Allah and Israel a 0.5 probability. Well, we have another worry:

    http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2011-10-13-nahoi-en.html

    Then there are the Spratly’s in South China sea, postImperialst Afghanistan, the uppity aboriginals in Oz, …

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  9. In protest of auto-on video ads no link provided but Rasmussen reporting that Obama job approval among uncommitted voters stands at 20%.

    Some like me must have answered the phone? Nah, they must be tackling them on the Mall concourse.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  10. I find ind interesting that Paul cannot find any support in Nevada. If there was a Libertarian-friendly state, you would think Nevada would be it.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  11. No one likes a playoff blowout, so if NV gets boring there’s another walkover happening concurrently:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/following-very-difficult-troika-teleconference-greece-nowhere-near-deal-sunday-night-deadline-a

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  12. Paul is far more flawed than I thought, but at least there’s Gary Johnson, who has Paul’s Libertarian bona fides without any of the racist/anti-Semitic baggage.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (20acc9)

  13. 12. I like the option, Brother. I have voted Constitution party down ballot and now see that the 2008 POTUS option, Baldwin, was rather like Nor Laup.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  14. Yep Brother Bradley.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  15. all the other candidates are fm/satellite while Paul is am band

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  16. Ben: What to do, just what the h*ll do I do?

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/markets/thebuzz/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

    A nasty catch-22, the Ministry of Truth has committed us to BLS fraud, U3 at 8.3%, BEA of 2011 GDP 1.7% unadjusted for USD FX crater, CPI of openly laughable 4.0%, existing home sales of 306K with 3.5 Million foreclosures overhanging as ‘bottomed’, la, la, la, in an effort to boost Dog’s approval.

    Meanwhile, behind curtain, Japan has begun printing, over 1 QUADRILLION Yen, ASEAN now trades in Sino yuan, Russia and Iran barter, ECB building LTRO to 3.5 Trillion euros,…

    Merely buying all US issued debt is not enough given the above to keep the dollar in low earth orbit. He wants to print to keep pace but has to wait, the firehose you see, gushes kerosene.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  17. I find ind interesting that Paul cannot find any support in Nevada. If there was a Libertarian-friendly state, you would think Nevada would be it.
    Comment by Kevin M — 2/4/2012 @ 9:05 am

    — Yep. No greedy capitalists in the home of legalized gambling, no sir!

    Then again, Harry “Liberty” Reid did once say (preserved on tape by a Nevada radio station) that Americans don’t have to pay income taxes if they don’t want to. So, maybe you’re right.

    Icy (f9b8cc)

  18. Hairy Scrotum refuses to craft a budget.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  19. That’s just the kind of good-quality product that New Mexico produces, Brother Bradley.

    Like Bill Richardson. /rimshot

    Leviticus (dd1d7b)

  20. 19. Got any Bill Richardson baseball cards?

    Wanna buy some?

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  21. 😆

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  22. Keep on attributing a Tina Fey quote to Sarah Palin…………….but do not get mad when we attribute a Fred Armisen quote to Obama got it leftys?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  23. On Twitter just now.

    RT @RalstonFlash: Latest numbers tallied by someone who knows: With just under 15% statewide…62% Mitt, 16% Newt 15% Paul, 7% Santorum.

    bio mom (c82c6c)

  24. Aw s***

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  25. gary – This link on preparing lutefisk is just for you, although Mr. Feets is also known to enjoy a good healthy recipe now and again.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. my friend D sent me a sammin recipe with a curry sauce I’m a try soon

    lutefisk I’ve never had but I’ve people in minnesota – bemidji even! – and I’m set to visit the state in July so maybe I’ll get to try it then

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  27. Lutefisk?

    It tastes like Sprite Draino and dead feet.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  28. I heard the mormon vote in Denver is substantial, and all R.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  29. I certainly hope Newt can hold out because I am quite ready to.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  30. Oh fark me. Nevada. I think I was thinking of someone who doesn’t like Romney and it made the wrong state pop out. That and the scotch.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  31. Wow the left love making anti-semetic comments about jews…………………………except for George Soros it’s anti-semetic to criticize him.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  32. The left love Jews. In fact Obama’s Uncle saved them from Auschwitz as you may recall.

    NO, NOT HIS CRAZY UNCLE JEREMIAH.

    Mij Tfoh (36e9a7)

  33. Barack Obama said he could see N.Korea from his house.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  34. 26. Good article, thanks Daley.

    Only had it once, around Xmas frosh year at St. Olaf, named for the Norsk king that converted and made the berserkers Christian circa 1000 AD.

    I assume berserking dwindled thereafter but caving heads in, raping and pillaging is a tough lifestyle to abandon cold turkey.

    I hear kimshi and rice bugs are good too.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  35. 27. Once, after college, my folks had some northern WI scandies over for a ‘real’ Norwegian repast.

    They brought this aspic, almost water-clear, with herbs suspended in it and I warily sampled a spoonful.

    FISH JELLO! oh.my.god.what.is.wrong.with.these.people?

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  36. You know what instead of talking about lutefisk let’s talk about Bush and how he got the presidency due Afffirmative Action.

    /Liberal

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  37. the winters are long Mr. gary

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  38. due to*

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  39. It’s Gorebull Warming’s fault. Hide yo kids hide yo wife.

    So what dying of natural causes is better than dying when the economy collapses.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  40. sorry for the randomness.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  41. Like I said dying of natural causes is better than dying from malnutrition.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  42. When Minnesotans Ole and Lena were young and in love they would go to their favorite spot to park. One night while parked and hugging and kissing, things were getting out of hand… Lena purred to Ole, “Ole… kiss me where it stinks”

    So Ole drove to Moorhead.

    Colonel Haiku (9ab5d5)

  43. This winter is caused by gorebull warming.

    Hide yo kids Hide yo wife because the science deniers are raping everyone up in here.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  44. 27. “I’m set to visit the state in July”

    Bring the swim suit. Californians will be amazed by the water, no limit on showers. The inland lakes warm up Ok. July is normally after pests like chiggers and swimmer’s itch but Bemidji is in the ‘far’ north so shower well and rub down after getting out.

    Even in Mpls/StP one can rarely ride 5 minutes without glimpsing a lake or pond. We lived near the beltway a block from a 250 acre preserve with lakes and ponds but that is hardly unusual.

    The Great Lakes are like the ocean just no seals or whales.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  45. 27. “I’m set to visit the state in July”

    Bring the swim suit. Californians will be amazed by the water, no limit on showers. The inland lakes warm up Ok. July is normally after pests like chiggers and swimmer’s itch but Bemidji is in the ‘far’ north so shower well and rub down after getting out.

    Even in Mpls/StP one can rarely ride 5 minutes without glimpsing a lake or pond. We lived near the beltway a block from a 250 acre preserve with lakes and ponds but that is hardly unusual.

    The Great Lakes are like the ocean just no seals or whales.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  46. I was joking.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  47. that sounds fun I don’t have any plans yes except we want to go to Babani’s in St Paul

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  48. *yet*

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  49. Feh.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  50. Nothing good in NY.

    Mcgolrick park does not count.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  51. 48. “we want to go to Babani’s in St Paul”

    Not had the pleasure, but do ethnic when in town. Half dozen blocks south on St. Peter still, above the River, the Science Museum is worth a peek. Down below that, on Harriet Island they have summer theatre fare, musicals, that are fun.

    Sister-in-law lives a few blocks down river from there.

    Decent food, not like Chicago, but cleaner and safer, less expensive, and fewer locals telling one how to drive.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  52. Breaking News-Ron Paul to pose nude for playboy.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  53. Yet in the debates Paul keeps saying blacks are victimized by the racist criminal justice system so I don’t know what to believe.

    Gerald A (cc0aaa)

  54. 53. Not playgirl, that is twisted.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  55. Ron Paul hates blacks.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  56. 52. Forgot to mention, courtesy of Timmy Pee, between Babani’s and the River, perpendicular to St. Peter parallel to the River, the streets are all tore up putting in light rail to Mpls removed a century ago.

    Progress.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  57. I think there is no question that Paul has happily cultivated a racist following. i can’t see into his heart, but that is bad enough in my book.

    I would never want any job based on the endorsement of racists.

    btw, off topic, but you all might want to check out my site… click on my name.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  58. 52. Oh, yeah, just a couple blocks west of Babani’s the Minnesota Historical Society is almost cool.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  59. AW, that guy is truly a piece of human excrement.

    Colonel Haiku (a0b242)

  60. CNN with 4% in has it 48/23/18/10 R/G/R/S.

    Evidently Clark will roll in 2 hours after close with the lion’s share, so Princess going for a certain majority.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  61. col

    now, now, that is not fair at all.

    Human excrement is useful. It can provide rich fertilizer that allows plants to grow. Sure its nasty and it smells bad, but there is a lot you can say good about it.

    so really that is a poor, poor comparison.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  62. Ron Paul is as useful as a bikini on a hog.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  63. McBain is in trouble in OR. Paoulus is lapping up the atheist vote:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/nv

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  64. =====================
    . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE !!!
    =====================

    Use “Libertarians” rather than “libertarians” when referring to Paulites.

    There’s a difference between the party and the true ideology. The party’s been a fringe bunch of doubtful loonies all along.

    Association with these racists and conspiracy nuts and isolationist buffoons is going to ruin the reputation of the ideology, which is a hell of a bad thing. There’s enough of a problem with the idiots in the libtard-driven media making these inaccurate linkages. No need to do it where more sense prevails.

    So please keep the distinction clear.

    Paulites are Libertarians.

    I am not one of them.

    I’ve never even considered voting for Paul or any existing member of the Libertarian party of which I am aware.

    I am, however, a firm believer in libertarianism, the principle of encouraging a minimum of government at all levels.

    I am far more in tune with the Tea Party than I am with these Libertarian idiots.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  65. It can provide rich fertilizer that allows plants to grow.

    Actually, Aaron, human excreta is a fairly bad fertilizer. The human digestive tract is fairly effective at taking all the useful nutrients out of it as it makes its way through the tract. It is a good basis for nutrient-added fertilizer, and we do have a heck of a lot of it with 6.7 billion people on the planet… but it’s not a particularly good fertilizer without chemical improvement prior to application.

    Many of the ruminants and ungulates, however, aren’t anywhere near as good, so their excreta are fairly good “out the end” fertilizers.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  66. the kids will be along so I’m glad you said about the historical society thing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  67. I Got

    i stand corrected.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  68. “The entrance polls for today’s Nevada caucus appear to show what everyone anticipated: a landslide for Mitt Romney. He won almost every conceivable demographic group including those that are not considered his strengths. Conservatives, Tea Partiers and evangelicals — groups where his support is generally weak — all gave Romney huge pluralities if not outright majorities in Nevada. Part of the reason for this is the large Mormon vote in Nevada. Mormons are only about seven percent of the population there but tentrance polls showed them making up 26 percent of today’s Republican electorate. With 91 percent of Mormons backing their co-religionist Romney that inflated his support among right-wingers who might trend more toward Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum in other states.

    Yet while Mormon support can account for the increased number of avowed conservatives and Tea Partiers who said they were for Romney, that doesn’t account for his getting a whopping 48 percent of evangelical voters in Nevada with Gingrich receiving only 27 percent and Santorum a paltry 11 percent.”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/04/evangelicals-romney-nevada-caucus-gop/

    Colonel Haiku (a0b242)

  69. 🙄 Did they say that those who oppose Romney are fringe right mormonphobes?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  70. I find ind interesting that Paul cannot find any support in Nevada

    Well, that report was wrong!

    Kevin M (563f77)

  71. 68. Last time I was there they had a tornado simulation complete with shakings and noises and such. Mining, lumber and fishing exhibits as well. I get messed up trying to get to it straight off the freeway.

    The Science Museum has an Omni.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  72. I am far more in tune with the Tea Party than I am with these Libertarian idiots.

    The LP has several strains of thought that cause problems with libertarians: drug legalization, isolationism and atheism come to mind. The first two cause them to assign benign motives to some seriously bad actors.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  73. [E]ntrance polls showed [Mormons] making up 26 percent of today’s Republican electorate. With 91 percent of Mormons backing their co-religionist Romney that inflated his support among right-wingers who might trend more toward Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum in other states.

    So, almost 24% (0.91 * 26%) of the caucus vote was Mormons voting for Romney, who turned out in wildly disproportionate numbers (almost 4 times their percentage of the population). Of Romney’s ~40%, then, only about 16% came from non-Mormons.

    Did he win, or did he just stack the caucus? If you exclude Mormons, Gingrich wins, Paul comes in second and Romney edges out Santorum for third.

    Rather an amazing statistic, if true.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  74. 75. “Mormonsmaking up 26 percent of today’s Republican electorate

    That’s down from 40% in 2008 when McBain got 51%. Same percentage behind him 91%.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  75. I could give a shit less if someone is an atheist.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  76. Did he win, or did he just stack the caucus?

    Tune in tomorrow to “As the Conspiracy Turns”…

    Colonel Haiku (a0b242)

  77. 77. No conspiracy, they are highly motivated by identity politics. Not uncommon in Amerikkka.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  78. Whereas “getting a whopping 48 percent of evangelical voters in Nevada” tells us diddly about evangelicals.

    An evangelical in NV, NH, SC, IA, & FL is five different animules.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  79. Who said anything about a conspiracy? Jeez, but you need to chill.

    Just noting the results changed significantly due to a single local voting bloc showing up in large and disproportionate numbers.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  80. Looks like the drop in percentage owed to Mormons is due to much larger turnout than 2008, approaching double.

    Held Jan. 19.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  81. Gingrich to lay out strategy going forward rather than congratulate liemonger:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/gingrich-to-announce-a-new-strategy-tonight-2012-2

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  82. To return to the original point of departure–I find it interesting that Anonymous thinks it can best serve Obama by attacking Paul. On a superficial view, one would think they would be focusing on Romney most of all (unless they are simply saving that for after the convention).
    I’m not going to speculate what their precise reasoning was–smear all Republicans as racists? deter lefties from supporting Paul? Ensure the least conservative candidate stays atop the primary pile?–but I think it’s a point that should be noted.

    JBS (6a6591)

  83. How come a first term Congresscritter can find his azz with one hand and Harvard educated lawyers and MBAs can’t with both:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/208613-rep-west-responds-to-jobs-report-someone-messing-with-census-numbers

    McDumbleDork said just today again “the economy’s improving but the nice man on tee 10 has nothing to do with it.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  84. Just for the record: Ron Paul is a Republican, not a Libertarian. Big-L Libertarians such as myself can’t even vote for Paul in closed-party primaries. With Gary Johnson, who I like more and more, we have an acceptable Libertarian alternative.

    The attacks on the Libertarian Party only indicate the movement is gaining traction, so I find them encouraging. No longer are Libertarians too few to be ignored.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (05f54f)

  85. postpolitics RT @fixaaron: Romney’s biggest victory tonight is how poorly his top opponents performed. http://t.co/UCdYXcFw #nvcaucus

    Colonel Haiku (a0b242)

  86. Everything is a conspiracy to Colonel Manboobs.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  87. Not that it appears to have anything to do with the topic:

    “•Japan had a current account surplus of nearly $200 billion in 2010, up threefold in 20 years. By contrast, America’s current account deficit was nearly half a trillion dollars in 2010, up fivefold in 20 years. In short, Japan supplies the world with products and capital, while America supplies it with debt.”

    But the current account has turned negative in 2012.

    More critically, the vast share of IP — both paid for and widely pirated — in the world is Anglo-American in origin. If you exclude home-market-only IP (Bollywood, Hong-Kong-cinema that never plays elsewhere, and, of course, a lot of the dreck produced by the French) — excluding profits in the US/UK for its own productions, to be consistent — then the US/UK produces probably 95% or more of all entertainment IP and a pretty huge portion of scientific IP.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  88. Just for the record: Ron Paul is a Republican, not a Libertarian. Big-L Libertarians such as myself can’t even vote for Paul in closed-party primaries. With Gary Johnson, who I like more and more, we have an acceptable Libertarian alternative.

    The attacks on the Libertarian Party only indicate the movement is gaining traction, so I find them encouraging. No longer are Libertarians too few to be ignored.

    Paul is and has always been a Libertarian. He ran for years on the L-Party ticket, and it is only resignation to the fact of its hopelessness that he switched to the GOP.

    The L-Party, as I have already noted, is and will always be a slightly to completely loopy fringe party, and as such badly reflects on the whole libertarian political philosophy.

    As to the ludicrous assertion of “the growing power of the L-Party”, that’s a joke. How many Libertarians have been elected to Congress? How many have won in state-level elections?

    All that’s happening is that the current Libertards have been riding on the coattails of the same small-government movement that produced the Tea Party sub-movement of the GOP.

    And unlike the L-Party, the Tea Party has actually managed to get candidates elected

    Even the Free-State project managed to screw things up by picking one of the two states getting invaded by idiot libtards to go to (the other being Nevada, which was one of their alternate final options, along with Alaska), defacto neutralizing their input and influx.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  89. The LP has several strains of thought that cause problems with libertarians: drug legalization, isolationism and atheism come to mind. The first two cause them to assign benign motives to some seriously bad actors.

    LOL, I go with you on the isolationism part, as totalitarians the world over love the idea of an isolationist America. They could do anything they wanted — up to and planning, openly, an assault on American people and/or interests, at home or abroad — and not worry about America responding with half a brain in prior anticipation of the threat.

    Action and preparation for action being utterly unrelated and unassociated with one another, donchaknow…?

    OTOH — who are the “bad actors” that the LP gets associated with in the case of drug legalization? Drug kingpins? Mafia? LOL, on what planet do you live that that notion has the slightest validity? Drug legalization would KILL the illegal profits to be derived from it, ending the power and economic largess of any drug lord or gang affiliation which would profit from it. DUH.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  90. Dohbiden: Ron Paul is as useful as a bikini on a hog.

    To paraphrase another quip:

    A nation without Ron Paul is about as hopeless as a fish without a bicycle.

    I Got Bupkis, Fomenter of "small-l" libertarianism (8e2a3d)

  91. He ran for years on the L-Party ticket,

    Once.

    Milhouse (9a4c23)

  92. The one candidate worse than Romney… but just as dishonest about his past positions, that’s for sure.

    Time to check into Mitten’s past and the LDS ban on blacks now, eh?

    Reaganite’s Sunday Funnies

    Reaganite Republican (99f6b1)

  93. The LP has several strains of thought that cause problems with libertarians: drug legalization, isolationism and atheism come to mind. The first two cause them to assign benign motives to some seriously bad actors.

    Don’t forget their odd obsession with transgender rights. Reason magazine spent a whole lot of paper on the subject.

    Davemac (71878e)

  94. I Got Bupkis,

    Where I live, the Tea Party libertarians and Big-L “Libertards” (thank you for the compliment) get along just fine. We’ve got common objectives. What is your agenda in trying to create antipathy between the two groups?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (05f54f)

  95. I Got Bupkis,
    As to the ludicrous assertion of “the growing power of the L-Party”, that’s a joke. How many Libertarians have been elected to Congress? How many have won in state-level elections?

    If Libertarians are as marginal as you say, then why do you waste your time denouncing them?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (05f54f)

  96. This post is another indication of how liberal so-called “conservatives” are. By the way I am NOT a Ron Paul supporter.

    DN (e13e38)

  97. If you have a point, DN, you’ll have to actually describe it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  98. is this thing on?

    and why is Laup Nor even allowed to claim he’s Republican?

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  99. And of course the left consider white supremacists to be conservatives which is a lie.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)


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