New Liberal Blood Libel: If You Conservatives Don’t Support Cain Now, You’re Racists!
[Guest post by Aaron Worthing. Follow me on Twitter @AaronWorthing.]
That is pretty much what Karen Finney and Touré are claiming now. On one hand, we have Finney who was last seen claiming that conservatives like Cain because he is a black man who knows his place, apparently being completely unaware of what racists have traditionally considered to be the proper station of black people (hint: it’s not as head of a major restaurant chain or the United States of America). Meanwhile we last saw Touré comparing Cain to a minstrel (yike!). And when you bring two minds of that caliber together, this is the brilliance that results:
“It’s going to be fascinating to see how this story unfolds over the next several days and particularly interesting to see how our friends on the right handle the accusations from these women in conjunction with how they handled Anita Hill.” “What do you mean, Karen?” Bashir pressed. “Look, I think it will be interesting to see if these guys rally around Herman Cain with as much voracity as they have these last couple of weeks now that it’s clear that a whole other layer of black sexuality has been infused into this,” Finney explained. “Also remember these women were ten years younger than we’re seeing them now. So that whole power dynamic. This is an older man, this younger women. White women, Black man.”
“It’s very jarring for the GOP, for anybody, I think, to see a black man be sexually aggressive in an unwanted way toward a blonde, white — especially a blonde, white woman,” added Touré. “One thing you have to keep in mind here is that this is not a real campaign. He is not really competing for the presidency! He’s competing for branding, television jobs, speaking jobs, book jobs. Just stay on the stage as long as possible, doesn’t matter how many arrows are in you, just stay on the stage, that’s all that matters for him.”
“We need to deal with these issues about sexual harassment and how women are treated in the workplace, it is still a problem. I hope we use this as a teachable moment,” Finney opined. “There are racial issues. Not everybody is going to have the same reaction to this. I hope we will have the same reaction no matter what the race is because it’s horrible when it happens no matteer what, but it will change the dynamic we are seeing now.”
I think that comment about it being “jarring” to “anyone,” meanwhile, is more revealing than Mr. Touré meant it to be. That is what this is: projection. He has hang ups about race and is presuming that the republicans are much, much worse.
Touré also shared this brilliant insight:
We’re going to find out how open the GOP is to this black—their ‘new black friend’—when they find out he is harassing blonde women as opposed to black women. That sort of thing of black sexuality—predatory black sexuality. Very frightening in this country, still. Very threatening. So we will see how this plays out.
You can watch that stupidity, here.
All of this is just insane in its strangeness. Remember all those years ago when we impeached Bill Clinton? Liberals always claimed that sexual morality was what was really behind the impeachment, and what a president does with the Dallas Cowgirls* was really none of our business, a matter of privacy if you will. And while Conservatives condemned the sexual morality involved, we maintained it was perjury that merited impeachment. And let’s not forget that part of the accusations of sexual immorality included sexual harassment (later he was accused of outright rape, but if memory serves those allegations came out after the impeachment trial was over). So according to the liberal narrative, we impeached Bill Clinton because of conduct similar to what Cain is accused of engaging in, but we would be racists if we don’t support Cain. The spin cycle is making me dizzy.
(Of course that wouldn’t be the first time liberals have seen us treat a black man similarly to Bill Clinton and still called us racists. Previously it was the claim that we in the Tea Party opposed Obamacare because Obama was black, forgetting that Bill Clinton proposed a similar measure and we not only opposed it, but successfully defeated it in the Congress, too.)
Look, here’s the reality of it all. What Ms. Bialek has accused him of—the only woman so far to make an accusation with enough facts to allow us to make a judgment—is wrong. It is sexual immorality, it is sexual harassment, it is abuse of power, and it is indeed solicitation of prostitution (in most states), if you believe her. And that’s the rub. As time goes on, we might hear from other women who have similar stories and conclude that Ms. Bialek must be telling the truth. Or this could be fame whore Gloria Allred up to her usual tricks. Certainly the moment I found out that Allred was involved, I decided that if this fourth accuser is telling the truth, it is only a coincidence.
And that is what makes the difference in these things. Take Clarence Thomas. I am of the position that if I believed Anita Hill, he shouldn’t have been a Supreme Court Justice. But I didn’t believe her. Besides just my subjective judgment of her credibility, the stories struck me as too over the top and too neatly fitting certain stereotypes about black men. They sounded like the sort of thing Hill would think we would believe about a black man, rather than having the ring of truth. On the other hand, when Clinton was accused of sexual immorality we held it against him (although we didn’t impeach him for it), because there was no question on the matter. He admitted to what he did with Lewinsky, after all (and after he learned she kept the dress and the DNA).
Do I believe this new accuser against Cain? No, and mainly because of the taint of Allred. And she is only one person, making it a he said/she said situation. She’s like a broken clock: she is right only by coincidence. But you might believe Ms. Bialek, or we might both decide to believe her as new accusers come forward. To assert that racism has anything to do with that process, has no factual support and thus tells us more about what they imagine the GOP is like, or what they think the people will believe about the GOP.
But I worry that this is the beginning of a new narrative. If Herman Cain falls because of this, the left will cite this as proof that the GOP is racist, rather than noticing they were quite consistent on the subject of sexual morality/sexual harassment.
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Side note: By Finnney and Touré’s logic doesn’t this prove liberals are being racists, here? I mean look at the pattern. They opposed Thomas and he’s black. They supported Clinton and he’s white. And now they oppose Cain and what do you know, he’s black too. And let’s face it, the evidence against him is a tad weaker than the infamous blue dress.
And do you suppose Ted Kennedy ever sexually harassed a woman?
All of which is obviously ridiculous. There are obvious non-racial reasons for a liberal to oppose Thomas and Cain and support Clinton. Is it too much to ask liberals, however, to notice similar reasons when conservatives have them as their defense?
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* Please note that the joke about the cheerleading squad was wholly a joke. Clinton slept with a lot of women, but I don’t recall him being even accused of what I wrote. I don’t want to impugn the reputations of those women, if only because I don’t want to be beaten to death with pom-poms.
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]
it’s simply not credible that Mr. Herman would hit on a fat misshapen acne-scarred floozy like Jiggles
in DC you can order up beautiful discrete womens for not a lot of money
it’s a thing
you don’t have to scrape the bottom of the hoochie barrel
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:23 amSo, if I don’t think that Cain has the brains to be President, that makes me a racist? Hmmm. I also think that Obama doesn’t have the judgment to be President. Double racist?
What rot. No one called me a racist when I said that Jimmy Cater didn’t have the brains OR judgment to be President. Or when I say that Clarence Thomas will be seen in the future as a giant on the Court.
This is just a stupid meme by desperate people who need to believe their opponents are evil so they don’t have to listen to them.
Kevin M (563f77) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:27 am“now that it’s clear that a whole other layer of black sexuality has been infused into this,”
“It’s very jarring for the GOP, for anybody, I think, to see a black man be sexually aggressive in an unwanted way toward a blonde, white — especially a blonde, white woman,”
“There are racial issues.”
Liberals telling us what they feel is important once again.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:42 amThis is just a stupid meme by desperate people who need to believe their opponents are evil so they don’t have to listen to them.
Well, it is, but not in the way you think. After all, I’m on the left and I’ve never heard of Karen Finney and Toure. So to say that “the left” is trying to paint the right as “racists” over this matter is to use a broader paintbrush than the people you accuse. Finney and Toure have their insights and views, but they don’t speak for “the left”, and it’s silly to pretend they do.
That said, I would never accuse the right (and particularly AW) of being inconsistent. I’m not at all surprised that AW thinks that the sexual harassment (it’s sexual assault, really) allegation is untrue. And that’s because the accused is a Republican nominee for President. So of course the woman is “lying” in his view. If Cain was a Democrat, and that was the ONLY different fact, I’m sure the woman would be telling the truth from the perspective of many on the right.
Some people on the right are very consistent in their bias. AW is one of them.
Kman (5576bf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:45 amIs Finney the one that tried to tie double breasted suits to religion and black sexuality? Her and toure are perfect for MSNBC.
JD (207300) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:49 amPaging angeleno.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:51 amThe temptation to go all ‘Nelson Muntz’ is strong
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/toure-calls-out-media-911-nostalgia-leaves-dylan-ratigan-speechless/
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:52 amAlso Mogatu ‘Am I the only one, out here, not taking crazy pills’
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:54 amThe link doesn’t go anywhere Aaron, but one is sometimes thankful for small favors
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:00 amTouré, the Cornel West for the hip-hop generation.
Icy (9fe857) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:00 amyour “this is the brilliance that results:” link is kinda solipsistic
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:03 amAnthony Weiner abusing power in office-Good.
Herman Cain being nice to a women-Bad and sexist.
Gotta love the left and their anti-mormon bigotry.
Go ahead and vote in the dems useful idiots and see them help the illegals.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:04 am________________________________________________
And when you bring two minds of that caliber together, this is the brilliance that results:
If leftism were a race or ethnicity, then that’s the only “race” that people like those two would admire and respect. I definitely think of liberals similar to them when I muse that if a large percentage of black America suddenly became truly moderate to conservative (socially and politically), that a variety of leftists would start to give the benefit of the doubt to the KKK and — most certainly, most definitely — Islamofascists.
Mark (411533) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:05 amThis is why we can’t have nice things
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-karen-finney-will-gop-rally-around-cain-despite-accuser-being-a-white-woman/
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:05 amalso the one before that and also the one after that
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:06 amThe democraps will want a repub when Obama suspends the constitution and declares himself president for life.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:08 amWhich link is broken?
Aaron Worthing (4516b9) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:15 amAll except the first, are ‘solipsistic’ as pikachu points out
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:18 amMartha MacCallum, FOX News: “One of the things is that you lived at a 505 North Lake Shore Drive apartment, right? This is the same building, it happens to be the same building David Axelrod lives in. Do you know David Axelrod? Ever have any interaction with him at all?
Sharon Bialek, Cain accuser: “I saw him in the gym. I mean — everybody nods to each other. It is friendly building but I never had any interaction with him.”
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:24 amOn review, Allred selected as lawyer for indebted bimbo that hugged a stranger at some Teacon is undoubtedly a future look at Meggy McCain–backfat gone way south.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:33 amHe was just a guy in the neighborhood
Icy (9fe857) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:33 amI guess I’m racist then.
Evil me for wanting a candidate who has his act together.
steve (369bc6) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:34 amBlood libel? It’s more like blood-in-the-water. These liberal tools saw a chance to seemingly put the GOP into a Catch-22 loop — if you support him it’s because he’s a good little Negro; if you abandon him it’s because you all are racist haters — and, like the classless pieces of crap that they are, they pounced.
Icy (9fe857) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:40 amhttp://macsmind.com/wordpress/2011/11/07/sharon-bailek-remembered-by-a-co-worker-as-a-time-waster-and-rabble-rouser-if-she-didnt-get-her-way-she-cried-sexual-harassment/
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:42 amKarl Rove-Gloria Allred is credible.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:43 amWhat the heck?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jrCgt_4g0xBKAgVLHOKRsv67JUiw?docId=f3d9fa9b018848a69d2a90930f15c90e
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:49 amAmerica is supposed to be better than the squalid jiggletit politics Obama’s media revels in
what a sad little country
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:50 amGlad Aaron posted, or I would have, albeit from the perspective put out by Jonah Goldberg:
Karl (f07e38) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:03 amSome of his policy stands were bewildering, like the thing about Gitmo
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/08/110811-news-cain-accuser-1-3/
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:06 amKarl
I think that’s exactly right. Cain’s only defense in my mind is, “she’s lying.” not: “yeah, i did it, and that’s okay.”
And yes, i think conservatives are only willing to forgive, if they believe it, bc of all the BS that has gone on in the past.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:10 ambtw, links fixed, i think. i had a massive brain fart which is why most of them don’t work.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:14 amAaron,
Are you using FireFox and dropping the http:// from the URLs?
FF 7.x is stripping/hiding the prefix on some links when cutting from the URL bar. You can:
Enter “about:config” in the URL bar (answer yes, you want to edit).
Then find label “browser.urlbar.trimURLs” and click on it to turn to “false”… Then you will have http:// back in your URL cuts and pastes.
BfC (2ebea6) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:30 am“He made a pass, he took no for an answer, what’s the big deal?”
Comment by Karl — 11/8/2011 @ 9:03 am
What’s the old joke?
I’m married, but I’m not dead!
You could say it’s comparable to going into a new-car showroom, and sitting in the snazy convertible/sports-car you’ve always lusted for –
AD-RtR/OS! (1e49c1) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:31 ambut know your wife would just cut you off at the knees if you came home with it.
You’re just window-shopping, you’re not buying!
Too many people take a “social interest” as something more serious.
PC has conditioned us to never, ever, joke around with the opposite gender;
or, a benign, casual, conversation will come back to haunt us as we’re accussed of being a “predartor”.
But, as to the topic at hand,
PMSNBC every day confirms that they are not a serious attempt at journalism.
BTW, what’s the National Enquirer writing about this?
AD-RtR/OS! (1e49c1) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:34 amThey, at least, have a serious record on topics such as this.
Bimbo eruptions – make you miss the Billy Goat, doesn’t it?
mojo (8096f2) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:47 amThe Enquirer is stuck on the Robin Gibb death watch.
Icy (9fe857) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:53 amI would rather watch Cynthia Gibb.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:07 amPart of the Elian rendition team, it turns out;
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/mar/29/news/mn-13797
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:23 amOK, but what if I supported someone else initially, well before the allegations against Mr Cain emerged? An I now a racist if I have changed my endorsement to someone other than Mr Cain, or am I a racist even if I am sticking with my original choice?
Enquiring minds want to know!
The curious Dana (3e4784) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:53 amI blame Jennifer Rubin for not being on the Perry bandwagon.
steve (369bc6) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:54 amI don’t want to impugn the reputations of those women, if only because I don’t want to be beaten to death with pom-poms.
Oh, you laugh, but it can be done, and in less than 60 seconds. Don’t push us, dude.
Ninja Cheerleaders, who think it's no fair that it's only Tuesday instead of Sockpuppet Friday (325a59) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:54 amhttp://legalinsurrection.com/2011/11/the-pushback-against-sharon-bialek-begins/
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:59 amAmerican Express is on line two.
Your Race Card™ is overdrawn.
TANSTAAFL (382819) — 11/8/2011 @ 11:31 amSorry, Mr Touré, thanks for telling us that you feel this way, but really very few other people do.
Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/8/2011 @ 11:58 amThe evidence was in the room that no senator bothered to visit.
Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:00 pmPart of the Elian rendition team, it turns out;
And now in the Obama administration.
Steve Jobs' Rotting iLiver (a18ddc) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:09 pmDrip. Drip. Drip.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/08/friend-of-cain-accuser-recounts-allegations/
Karl (f07e38) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:11 pmEr, that was moi. Caught!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:12 pmAre you saying Gloria Alrred’s tits are sagging?
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:45 pmSo what is this Kraushaar woman claiming Cain did wrong? Oh, that’s right, she refuses to say. But we should take her word that it was bad, very very bad.
Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:47 pmWhy? If Bialek’s allegation is true, what does it amount to? If you’re willing to consider voting for Gingrich who committed adultery, if you were willing to vote for McCain who committed adultery, why would you reject Cain merely for having attempted adultery?
Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/8/2011 @ 12:52 pmhttp://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/08/110811-news-cain-accuser-1-3/
Anita Busch (a025dd) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:03 pmIt’s amazing how you can fill an article of that size without reporting a single fact, or even an allegation.
The headline quotes some friend of hers who says that she wouldn’t lie; how is that news? Now if not a single person could be found to say that of her, or of anybody, that would be astonishing news! Oh, and her brother-in-law says he’s sure she’s telling the truth, even though her claims are complete news to him. “It’s not like she wanted to try and hurt the Republican Party.” Really? And why would that be? What makes him think she doesn’t want to do that?
Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:13 pmSomeone: Cain’s only defense in my mind is, “she’s lying.” not: “yeah, i did it, and that’s okay.”
Comment by Milhouse — 11/8/2011 @ 12:52 pm
Why? If Bialek’s allegation is true, what does it amount to? If you’re willing to consider voting for Gingrich who committed adultery, if you were willing to vote for McCain who committed adultery, why would you reject Cain merely for having attempted adultery?
Henry Hyde forthrightly admitted (although with a silly excuse that he was young) when it came up. I don’t think Guingruich has denied it and in the case of some other politicians it never really came up.
Cain may have gotten himself into a position like that of Anthony Weiner in denying something that was true. Or being very obviously unable to admit it.
If that’s the way it turns out, he is in trouble and probably won’t be picked for Vice President by Newt Gingrich.
For most people the real issue is whether somehting like this will continue, and there’s nothing to show that is the case.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:17 pmHeartbreak
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/08/romney-allegations-against-cain-must-be-addressed-seriously/
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:18 pmDaveS-Gloria Allred is right she is never wrong I worship her and I love how Rove worships her.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:21 pmEricPWJohnson never liked Herman Cain because Eric is a dem plant remember the POS said the duke lacrosse players paid off Nifong to find them not guilty.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:24 pmIf there wasn’t a scintilla of truth to the accusations against Cain it woiulkd be much easier for Cain to handle this, and the people leaking all of this know it. They may know some truth may effectively prevent him from denying the rest, unless he’s very bold.
One story being true doesn’t mean all the other storiues are true, in all their non-detail. One story being true, if it”s true, ddoesn’t mena the whole of another story, or its implications, are true, and one thing that probably didn’t happen is classic sexual harrassment.
If all or most of the stories were true, whatever it is that they’re trying to get us to think is true, it wouldn’t be leaked this way. It looks like there there is an effort to get us to “connect the dots” to add up to somethinbg that is worse than the truth. This is not happening the way it is to protect the women.
These allegations did not spontaneously become public.
Maybe the motive is somebody trying to push a Vice Presidential candidacy for someone whose name has not yet surfaced.ost makes more sense than anything else.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:25 pmGloria Allred rarely waits for the facts to come before staring her maneating.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:27 pmBialek is the same idiot who fellates herself at the feet of a man who sat in the church of an Malcolm X wannabe’s church.-
If the economy collapses we will have no water or food.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:43 pmor food because it is too expensive.-
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 1:45 pmNo republican deserves to be voted in president so lets vote democraps and when they vote to have you put in gulags let them.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:09 pmIsn’t Touré’s Syndrome a poor relative of Tourette’s Syndrome (it makes about as much sense but has less direct cursing/bad language) ?
Alasdair (b18a49) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:11 pmIf Herman Cain is revealed to b einnocent and Allred is revealed to be a feminazi will the Cain deranged shut up.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:13 pmHe’s guilty no matter what.-Dems to anyone but their own.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:14 pmThere are obvious non-racial reasons for a liberal to oppose Thomas and Cain and support Clinton. Is it too much to ask liberals, however, to notice similar reasons when conservatives have them as their defense?
I agree with Karl (and daleyrocks). It isn’t too much to ask.
angeleno (466338) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:15 pmClinton-The republicans brung forth a self-loathing slut to accuse me of harrassing Lewinsky.
Democraps-Yep.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:16 pmThe left are tying to Compare Cain to Clinton but the only difference is the left actually never believed the stuff about Clinton even though they pretended to.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:18 pmtrying*
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:23 pmCain sexually harassed some women ages ago and his wife is looking askance because we the leftys say so.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:27 pmDemocrats must be really, really good at algebra because they have to figure out how — regardless of the facts — to always arrive at X = RACISM.
To wit:
“I didn’t vote for Barack Obama because I’m a Republican” = RACISM.
“I’m a Democrat, but I didn’t vote for Barack Obama because he’s not experienced enough” = RACISM.
“I’m supporting Herman Cain over a field of a dozen white Republicans” = RACISM.
“I can no longer support Herman Cain because his negatives are too high, and I don’t think he’ll be able to beat Barack Obama” = RACISM.
“I can no longer support Herman Cain because I don’t think he’s qualified” = RACISM.
“I can no longer support Herman Cain now that a name and a face has been provided to accompany accusations, and don’t think he can count on the women’s vote” = RACISM + ANTIPATHY TO RACE-MIXING.
L.N. Smithee (d7ed67) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:47 pm*discreet* I mean
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/8/2011 @ 2:58 pmTrue enuff, contentedpedalextremities … continuous women are *much* more fun than discrete ones … (or discreet ones) …
Alasdair (b18a49) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:01 pm“Drip. Drip. Drip.”
Karl – Suh-weet. We need more anonymous second hand accounts of what Cain supposedly did, you know, for teh credibility.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:03 pmReally…
-allahpundit
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:03 pmRemember what happened when David Brock questioned the chasteness of Anita Hill? He was public enemy No. 1 of the MSM before he came out of the closet, did a 180 and became Mr. Media Matters.
On the other hand, people like Charles Rangel, Barney Frank, & WH flacks Sidney Blumenthal and James Carville were telling anyone and everyone that neither Paula (“Trailer Park”) Jones nor Monica (“The Stalker”) Lewinsky was to be believed, despite the fact that Lewinsky (unlike any of Cain’s accusers) was caught on tape contemporaneously confirming the allegations (thanks, Linda Tripp, wherever you are).
L.N. Smithee (d7ed67) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:04 pmWomen number 6, 7, and 8 soon?
-hotair -allahpundit
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:05 pmEPWJ is like herpes.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:05 pmDaley, none of us asked for this particular type of herpes. But I see what you mean: the lies, exaggerations, and bizarre posts continue on and on.
And watch the character throw a huge fit, but the fact is, the *majority* of people posting here think he is a silly git. Right? I mean, consider the history.
Yet he keeps right on ticking. At least DCSCA is getting some kind of medication. Nishi, not so much. But that just reinforces my point.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:10 pmDo you have a script to cure herpes?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:11 pmSimon – Then it goes into remission for a while, then it flares back up.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:21 pmSimon – EPWJ is keeping hope alive for an Obama-style primary win by Perry.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:24 pmThis Cain Pain will soon be over guys – hang in there
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:46 pmEpwj is completely off his rocker. Maybe he hates black Republicans.
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:52 pmBut the Pain is intense
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/282635/unasked-questions-herman-cains-press-conference
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 3:56 pmFWIW: Mark Levin is playing audio from yesterday of veteran MSM newsman Bill Kurtis (formerly of CBS News) on WLS in Chicago. Kurtis says that he’s hearing talk that in a scenario in which Cain and Bialek were in a car alone together, she “might have been the aggressor.”
Levin is very careful to say that this is Kurtis talking, not him. His point is that all the women (and their supporters) coming out of the woodwork is “news,” but nobody before him has nationally broadcast Kurtis’ speculations.
L.N. Smithee (dfcddb) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:00 pmhttp://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/08/second-cain-accuser-goes-public-says-she-might-hold-joint-presser-with-other-accusers/
More harm for Herm
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:01 pmSigh. We should just post “Abreva” every time he blathers on. Jeez.
Cain doesn’t matter. I’m just tired of the bizarreness from this character.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:02 pmEPWJ can you stop sniffing Debbie Schlussels undergarments.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:06 pmI think it’s disgusting how Wall Street Romney is trying to climb on Jiggle’s train. What a pathetic and desperate little man he is.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:10 pmHow many BS accusations against a non-establishment Conservative disqualify him or her from office?
“She was fired from her job, and her boyfriend suggested she contact Cain in hopes he could help her find employment.”.
In this particular incident she was fired for falsely accusing her boss of sexual harassment, a charge denied by co-workers, as well as being pretty much a pain in the ass to work with.
“I remember her as a time-waster, and rabble-rouser. If she didn’t get her way she cried about sexual harassment”. A former co-worker, a female no less, emailed me. “She was trouble with a capital “T”. The fact that she waited 13 years and never said a word not even during Cain’s earlier forays into politics. She only now magically appears because Cain is leading in some polls and proving a threat to Barack Obama?
That is what is causing epwj to masturbate in pubic.
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:11 pmOh, that, and a Treasury spokesperson from Chicago in the Barcky admin. Which team is epwj on?!
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:24 pmJust catching up… has anyone mentioned the interview that Bill Kurtis(sp?) (long time CBS and now A&E crime-type reporter) gave yesterday? Apparently, this Bialek woman is a former CBS employee and per Kurtis, she has “quite a history” and that “more info would be coming out soon” He went on to say that if you put Cain and Bialek in that situation in the car, he wouldn’t be a bit surprised if it went 180 degrees the opposite of the way she has described it.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:34 pmNational Soros radio does their part
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/11/08/142134820/earlier-cain-accuser-is-republican-longtime-government-employee
Btw, this Jacobsen person, who vouches for Bialek, wasn’t she the one that had to step down because of behavior in the Stebic case
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:35 pmYes, LM Smithee, I heard that on Levin a few minutes ago.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:35 pmWhoops, L.N…. the way Kurtis was talking, this thing is going to blow up in Allred’s face big-time.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:38 pmwho was that asshole reporter who asked Cain if he’d mind taking a lie detector test? Low-life sonuva B… where was this sh*thead during the ’08 campaign when Obama was given a free-ride?
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:41 pmaudio of Kurtis: http://wlsam.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=16521&ID=2329023
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:53 pmThe picture of Kraushaar, accuser 2 from the NRA, an equestrian and the lady who’s supposedly as short as Cain’s wife was less than pulchritudinous.
Like Bielak, I call BeffinS.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:56 pmIn the courts, Ms. Bialek has had a lengthy record in the Cook County Court system over various civil lawsuits. The following cases on file in Cook County are:
· 2000-M1-707461 Defendant against Broadcare Management
· 2000-M1-714398 Defendant in lawsuit against Broadcare Management
· 2000-M1-701522 Defendant in lawsuit against Broadcare Management
· 2005-M1-111072 Defendant in lawsuit against Mr. Mark Beatovic.
· 2007-M1-189176 Defendant in lawsuit against Midland Funding.
· 2009-M1-158826 Defendant in lawsuit against Illinois Lending.
Ms. Bialek was also sued in 1999 over a paternity matter according to ABC 7 Chicago (WLS-TV). Source: WLS-TV, November 7, 2011
In personal finances, PACER (Federal Court) records show that Ms. Bialek has filed for bankruptcy in the Northern District of Illinois bankruptcy court in 1991 and 2001. The respective case numbers according to the PACER system are 1:01-bk-22664 and 1:91-bk-23273.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282579/cain-camp-questions-bialeks-background-katrina-trinko
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 4:59 pmhttp://proteinwisdom.com/?p=31933#comment-1140331
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:00 pmhttp://legalinsurrection.com/2011/11/herman-cain-news-conference/
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:10 pmCain is on his own team, its interesting that he didnt offer to clear his name
I see people are upset – I warned you guys I tried to warn you,
Cains been as disingenuous as anyone – this fakey fake folksy 9 9 9 is really a massive world ending 30% tax so maybe we should be asking what Team Cain is on?
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:27 pmShake your head, Johnson… your eyes are stuck.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:30 pmIf 4 different women all claim sexual harrassment against 1 man … do you really think they all conspired together?
Or does it, in fact, show a pattern of behavior?
Anita Busch (a025dd) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:33 pmThat, as Mitt Romney stated, SHOULD be taken seriously.
Anita Busch (a025dd) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:34 pmAre you really that dumb, or are you only pretending?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:38 pm“It’s very jarring for the GOP, for anybody, I think, to see a black man be sexually aggressive in an unwanted way toward a blonde, white — especially a blonde, white woman,” added Touré.
We’re going to find out how open the GOP is to this black—their ‘new black friend’—when they find out he is harassing blonde women as opposed to black women. That sort of thing of black sexuality—predatory black sexuality. Very frightening in this country, still. Very threatening. So we will see how this plays out.
This is just a stunning insult of gargantuan proportion from a pig masquerading as a man to all white women, blondes, black men, GOP, any mixed race couples (who have sex!), and black women. Did I leave anyone out?
Well now we know what Toure thinks about Clarence and Ginny Thomas.
Why hasn’t Finney or Toure anguished over the racism at work as all the accusers are white women…pointing their uppity finger at the black man?
Dana (4eca6e) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:40 pmFinney or toure and the scums at Pajamas media are narccisists who think they are always right but Cain is a narccisist.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:43 pmMilhouse,
In the past I have appreciated your knowledge and insights, however, these days your seeming disdain and rudeness toward those you question or disagree with has become immensely off putting. That’s too bad, too.
Dana (4eca6e) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:43 pmAnnnd now Newt
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/newt-gingrich-urges-herman-cain-to-answer-the-charges/
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:46 pmOK, this has been mildly interesting but other issues are more significant;
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204554204577026283624423366.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:48 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/newt-gingrich-is-a-whore/
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:53 pmPsalm 18:26-27
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:56 pmDana, it was a very stupid question.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:56 pmre: post #104… unless these accusers identify themselves and come forward with specifics about what was alleged to have been done to them and there is information that documents the allegations and – even better – independent corroboration, we shouldn’t hear anything more about it. It’s much to easy to level charges like this, given the political correctness of our times, which we can thank liberals for, along with their penchant for promoting destructive behaviors and life choices.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:57 pmtoo easy
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 5:58 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/peeweejohnsondivesfordoggiesandshillsforRickPerry
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:00 pmhttp://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/282640/hilton-hotels-we-will-not-release-any-information-cain-stays-or-upgrades
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:08 pmMilhouse,
I hate to think that we are measured here at Patterico’s by the quality of our questions, for the mere fact that one asks reveals a curiosity and desire for knowledge and/or at the least, discussion.
…which leads me to the irony of you posting scripture, for it was and is Christ Himself who gives us the ultimate model of pure Humility.
Dana (4eca6e) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:09 pmcan’t we all just moveon.org?
I’m a think we can
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:16 pmhf,
My apologies for going off subject.
Dana (4eca6e) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:22 pmIf 4 different women all claim sexual harrassment against 1 man … do you really think they all conspired together?
Or does it, in fact, show a pattern of behavior?Comment by Anita Busch — 11/8/2011 @ 5:33 pm
— Ya know what also shows a pattern of behavior?
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:25 pmSharks at a feeding frenzy.
Runnerneckers at an accident scene.
Any opportunist looking for a big payday.
not at all Dana I’m just thinking that when people thought that Bill Clinton’s adventures with his crooked herpetic penis had been dwelled on overmuch they started an organization to help people moveon!
We should do that too for Mr. Herman! We can call it moveonwithalacrity.org!
How brilliant is that?
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:26 pmhappy,
that was a corrupt media we decry today. Funny that people wish they would do the same for Cain
did anyone ask him why his taxes go up from 9 9 9 yet?
Oh thats right he’s so loveable and folksy
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:32 pmno that wasn’t a media thing that was a rich people with money thing
similar but different
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:33 pmComment by EricPWJohnson — 11/8/2011 @ 5:27 pm
Cain’s been as disingenuous as anyone
— As disingenuous as, say, the guy that falsely accused Cain of releasing an ad that labelled fellow Republicans as klansmen?
maybe we should be asking what Team Cain is on.
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:37 pm— Conversely, we all know which team you’re on. The only question that remains: pitcher or catcher?
I disagree, soros only did it with encouragement from the media and the mediate campaign to launch moveon kept it from being yet another boom box on the net
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:38 pm“rubberneckers” in #122
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:39 pmTime for the accusers to put up or shut up and if a lie detector test is good for the gander, it’s also good for all of the geese, including all witnesses or corroborators.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:41 pmAs disingenuous as someone that accused Cain of RAPE ?!
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:44 pmcolonel’s Purrfect World®
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:46 pmimagine no liberals
wonder if you can
Annnd JD’s making up more stuff again – SHOCKA
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:49 pm’tis sport that PeeWee
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:50 pmbe hoist with his own johnson
blow me on the moon
alas poor PeeWee
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:53 pmfellow of infinite jest
where your giblets now?
Hey, EPWJ?
You really, really, REALLY don’t want to walk down the “…making things up…” road, do you?
I mean, we could post a list of your, um, unusual statements. Including, most recently, when you claimed that I called you a terrorist.
Maybe in one of your Night Train fueled nightmares.
And don’t think this is about me, with your usual nastiness. It’s really what most people think about your posts.
Don’t believe me? Ask. Do you think you can five posters here who think that you are a good hearted person who does not post weird nonsense?
C’mon. Go take a break. You are getting all weird.
Again.
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:57 pmwith a bare bodkin?
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:57 pmwho would then farful the bear?
who would grunt and sweat?
What about me, Eric? Am I making up stuff, too?
[BTW, JD made up nothing. You said it, so admit it.]
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 6:58 pmto sleep perchance dream
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:01 pmay, there’s the rug, young PeeWee
the slings and arrows
Do you not recall what you have claimed, epwj?
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:11 pmI think something much like this is going on now, JD:
http://youtu.be/LzAXb7qCCAo
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:17 pmIs this epwj?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITA3Z08HmRM
JD (6433cb) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:21 pmEPWJ – Has Texas Sparkle banned you from commenting at her blog or do you comment there under a different name?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:31 pmWait. Do you mean the lady with whom EPWJ “blogged together”?
If it’s true, cool. If it is another,um, prevarication, we need to add it to the Master List of Weirdness.
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:34 pmHey! There’s no reason for homophobia. What did they ever do to you to deserve getting stuck with EPWJ?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:34 pmAs I wrote, daley, I would not be surprised to learn that EPWJ describes what he does here as “…blogging with Patterico…”
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:35 pmMilhouse: stuck?
Eeew…
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:36 pmUm, that’s the wrong end for what it claims to be.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:38 pmExactly. So be careful, and don’t assume he’s welcome where he may not be.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:40 pmSimon – Texas Sparkle is not the type of person to put up with EPWJ’s panty sniffing libels of Sarah Palin or other conservative women or much of his many of his other unsupportable commentary.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:47 pm_______________________________________________
If 4 different women all claim sexual harrassment against 1 man … do you really think they all conspired together?
Not sure if in this era of post-Bill-Clinton — with both sleazy behavior the new norm and political correctness run amok — that certain women are more likely, or less likely, to exaggerate a situation involving sexuality.
Sharon Bialek certainly doesn’t appear to have a lot of credibility in her background, and there are questions about the ideological slant of at least two of the other women. They appear to be of leftist orientation, and I’m very suspicious of the accuracy and judgment of such people. IOW, they’re the types who are most likely to foster a setting where, on one hand, symbols like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy — not to mention a “Goddamn America” White House — can get away with nothing but hugs and kisses, while, on the other hand, political correctness (drenched in leftist etiquette) is allowed to go berserk—best illustrated in all its lunacy (and irony) by Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood and the US military.
Mark (411533) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:57 pmBut…but…daley! They blogged together! You should ask her to comment on this fellow. Maybe they are the best of friends! Or maybe she has never heard of him.
Simon Jester (eb14cf) — 11/8/2011 @ 7:57 pmBTW JD making things up again.
Ironic.
Just like one of Herman Cains accusers complaining about the media smear campagin against Obama.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:05 pmBtw Block better be fired by Cain or else.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:33 pmJay Leno sexually harassed me while I was in my mothers stomach.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:40 pmNo one deserves to get stuck “with” OR “by” EPWJ
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 8:56 pmBTW, I denounce myself to all 60,000 gay Jews (going by Eric’s math) in Iran.
Icy (461886) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:00 pmPalin is so dumb she will cause America to be blown up……………….Obama is so dumb 8 years after he leave soffice another 9/11 will happen
Two can play that game libtoids.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:40 pmUm, which game would that be? Who’s playing it? Has someone been dissing Palin again? Why? She’s (unfortunately, IMO) out of the 2012 race; I’ve already updated my Palin2012 userid to Palin2020. So why would anybody be putting her down now?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:46 pmJiggles for reals used to live in the same building as David Axelrod?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/8/2011 @ 9:54 pmCains a fool and a lowlife-People who will then rush to defend Cain when he is revealed to be innocent and wonder why people are amused at their sudden change in opinion.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/8/2011 @ 10:04 pmBut the question no one is asking is why Cain? Why is he the only candidate facing all these allegations? Is there a chance that maybe one or more of them might have happened or at least something that looks like it? Either way I don’t care but the question does arise. Why him?
The Emperor (03864d) — 11/9/2011 @ 3:43 amEmperor
For 2 decades people have tried to link Perry as a racist, a homosexual, a wife beater, a serial cheater, that even the most partisan Democrats have rebuffed the attempts.
Mitt Romneys dealing, except for his house in Salt Lake, have been way above board with all parties seeming very satisfied and people who worked for him geniunely have great affection for the man and his family.
Bachmann, Santorum are individuals of great personal courage and convictions and their ceaseless charity work goes completely unnoticed.
Newt is a mess, Paul is even a greater mess, but they are seen as totally uneletable – so for Obama, the media will build them up as much as possible.
EricPWJohnson (30164c) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:07 amEPWJ – Why couldn’t Perry get his approval rating as a governor out of the 40% range?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:56 amShocker, huh, I was already illdisposed for what she allowed to be done to Elian, which should be a crime, like sending one back across the Berlin Wall.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2099000,00.html
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:01 am@Eric so you are saying the media don’t like Cain?
The Emperor (03864d) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:11 amSo, for those with a copy of the home game, three complaints, in as many years,
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:22 amnarciso – I think EPWJ’s dreams of a joint press conference of women accusing Cain of rape may be circling the drain.
Rumors of a third Bialek bankruptcy are out and about on Chicago radio this morning.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:54 am‘Aristotle was Belgian, and the London Underground
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:56 amis a political movement’
Water is not wet and fish need bicycles.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:02 amLove, the media are out in force to destroy the black man that dared go off the reservation.
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:02 amIcy – Plantation please.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:04 amDid I mix my metaphors? So sorry.
Geez, can you just imagine the heads assploding if a viable conservative Native American candidate were to come along?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:19 amAre we going to get a thread on that DC Court of Appeals decision, which is quite worthy of Vizzini.
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:22 amRight. But the same media loved and supported Obama. Another black man from the plantations? What am I missing here?
The Emperor (5647ed) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:26 am“What am I missing here?”
Lovey – Everything, as usual.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:40 amExcept you, of course, Leroy.
The Emperor (5647ed) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:47 amWhat do you mean by “all these allegations”? So far there is only one allegation, that of Bialek. Nobody else has alleged anything at all about him. (Well, except for that strange woman who “alleged” that he asked her to dine with him. Pretty soon we’ll hear “allegations” that he blew his nose.) So it’s impossible for more than one of “them” to have happened. That’s what’s so strange about this whole story; it’s like Kafka’s The Trial.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:52 amNo Milhouse. There are almost heading to four women who are saying he behaved inappropriately with or towards them. (correct me if I am mistaking) Not that I believe them. My point is why is he having this kind of attack on his person? Is there something he is forgetting that may have led to all this? Questions.
The Emperor (5647ed) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:58 amSo one lives in Axelrod’s building, another is a serial filer of complaints, until yesterday, one didn’t know these details, because of the NDA.
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:01 amhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/09/david_gregory_no_grand_wizard_in_gop_right_now_to_force_cain_to_go_away.html
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:03 amThe Democratic Party in general, and the Chicago political machine in particular, IS the plantation, Lovey. It’s Kanye West looking into the camera during the Hurricane Katrina telethon and saying, “George Bush doesn’t care about black people.” It’s Cornel West (no relation, other then ideologically) with his “Republicans don’t speak for us; we just po’ black folk,” routine. It’s the systematic and cyclic pattern of playing the victim that they feel they cannot abandon for fear of losing political power. Who is gonna vote for someone that promises to give you all kinds of government handouts once you’ve pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps and made it without any of their ‘help’?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:05 am“There are almost heading to four women who are saying he behaved inappropriately with or towards them.”
Lovey – We only know the specifics of the allegations from one woman. What behavior was complained about in the other instances? Please enlighten us.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:12 amnarcisco
She lived in the building years ago
The lady filed a complain afer she was denied senority after suffering injuries in a car accident when other employees were allowed to wor from home, she was not. Ed at Hotair ended the serial filer meme this morning
If Alred comes up with a room upgrade receipt from the hotel with Cain all over it – its over for sure
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:13 amTh good news about all of this to the Palin fans is that there is some rumbling that she may enter the race
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:15 am“Ed at Hotair ended the serial filer meme this morning”
No he did not.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:20 amDifferent gnat, that was Krashaar, but Bialek, but rhetorically, is it possible that we could have gotten so far afield of the goal, if she was in the race, I mean what is their excuse for being so flat footed all around,
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:21 amA “room upgrade receipt”? Oh, please say it isn’t so!
The horror . . . the HORROR!!!
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:23 amI think we need a “halfwit upgrade”.
Remind me, what’s one-half times one?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:26 amEd at Hotair ended the serial filer meme this morning
— So, because one of her claims MIGHT have been legitimate, therefore NONE of her claims were illegitimate?
No wonder you think that there are 2 million Jews in Iran! If you apply the same “tree falling in the forest” philosophy to every situation, then anything is possible at any time. IOW, you believe that what you’re saying is right BECAUSE it is what you believe . . . facts, logic and evidence be damned.
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:36 amIcy
Ed at hotair ended the serial filer meme, that and the fact her company agreed to the charges and paid 45K
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:38 am“Ed at hotair ended the serial filer meme”
EPWJ – Go for the Threepeat.
“They are two separate incidents, and two different kinds of complaints. A judge likely wouldn’t admit one as a defense against another in a court proceeding, as they would not be relevant to each other. Still, Kraushaar isn’t pursuing her claim in a court — she’s apparently going to pursue it in a press conference, trying to win judgment in the court of public opinion, and the public will have a very different idea of what’s relevant and what isn’t.”
Yes, yes they will.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:41 amAt Leroy, surely you agree that we have seen more than two women come up with this sort of allegation against Cain. The recent news is that one of them is seeking to have a joint news conference with the other “victims” of Cain’s alleged libido. Now let me be clear, I don’t care if he did it or not. He’s not my candidate. Just saying.
The Emperor (9ae02a) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:00 amMeanwhile back at the ranch:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/barclays-says-italy-finished-mathematically-beyond-point-no-return
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:05 am“At Leroy, surely you agree that we have seen more than two women come up with this sort of allegation against Cain.”
Lovey – I’m asking for specifics. Go.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:13 am🙄
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:22 am“Winning!”
– Eric Johnson
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:26 am“I work here am done”
– Eric Johnson
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:27 amI don’t have all the facts but Herman Cain sexually harrassed my dog
-Eric Johnson
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:31 amEric, how nice that you, A) deigned to talk to me again; and, B) confirmed my hypothesis. Any luck with locating that “disgusting” Cain ad yet?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:31 amI don’t have all the facts but I think the Cain ad involves him stripping Joy Behar naked and fondling her peepee.
-Eric Johnson
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:34 am‘Goggles they do nothing’
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:36 amLovey and EPWJ – What you are basically saying is that we don’t know what Cain stands accused of, the accusers are not required to provide evidence of wrongdoing, but that Cain is supposed to defend himself anyway.
Have Bialek or Kraushaar offered to take lie detector tests yet?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:38 amEPWJ – Ace put an end to that serial complainer meme this morning too.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:43 amAce is just a lying palin licker he wants to raise taxes on people like my by 100,000,000,000,000%
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:59 amme*
By the way that was my EricPWjohnson impersonation
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:00 amI saw somewhere that Kraushaar had asked to work from home even before her auto accident and had been refused. Must be nice to eventually get what you want and still get a good job with Uncle Sam. Perhaps it’s the blonde hair.
PatAZ (c65c00) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:20 amComment by DohBiden — 11/8/2011 @ 8:33 pm
Btw Block better be fired by Cain or else.
His latest “discovery” was that Karen Kraushaar was the mother of a
Politico reporternoformer Politico reporternever mind.And many of the things about Sharon Bialek are besides the point. Block’s probably been encouraging Cain to do or say all kinds of things.
Herman Cain is closely dependent on Mark Bloch – and this is where his limited experience in politics comes in – he probably doesn’t know anybody else, and at this point Mark Bloch, and a press spokesperson, if something I read is correct, is just about his entire paid staff
It would show good judgment and an ability to recognize mistakes if he did fire him. Cain’s reputation has been built on firing people – but firing people somebody else hired.
There’s been trouble in Cain’s campaign and so far Mark Block’s been winning out. (although he is referenced, his name is not in this article, which might indicate he was an anonymous source. This article ran before the first of the Politico allegations was published)
As Cain Promotes Management Skills, Skills, Ex-Aides Tell of Campaign in Chaos by Susan Saulny, October 27, 2011
….there was that e-mail to the staff about traveling in a car with Mr. Cain: “Do not speak to him unless you are spoken to,” the memo said.
“I found it odd,” said a former staff member who liked to prep Mr. Cain for appearances while driving. The aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, quit not long afterward, citing the e-mail as one of the deciding factors….
….Several former workers interviewed for this article said they were directed by the campaign not to speak with reporters. (Two said they had signed nondisclosure agreements, a rare demand within political campaigns, and they had been reminded, they said, by the campaign not to speak with the news media.)
I read this differently than most of the commentators on the New York Times website.
My comment (number 201, published October 27th, 2011 at 3:15 pm) was:
About that e-mail (or was it a memo?) to the staff telling them not to speak to him traveling in a car with Mr. Cain unless they were spoken to:
I wonder if Herman Cain even knew about this instruction. It might have been some staff trying to gain control of the candidate. Or it might have been sent out to people to whom it logically shouldn’t have been sent to.
I say this because one person who got this used to prep Herman Cain for appearances while driving, apparently without complaint by Herman Cain. Also, Herman Cain is unlikely to have not wanted drivers to talk to him, and probably liked this idea of talking to the driver because his father was the chauffeur for the chief executive officer of Coca-Cola, and, as a result of that, according to Newsweek (in the article entitled Citizen Cain) he became well-off enough to move from a housing project to a duplex and then a house, because he persuaded the boss of Coca-Cola to pay him with Coca-Cola stock, [sic – it was only tips – his regular pay was in Dollars] and that surely didn’t happen without a lot of back and forth conversation between them (unless you think it is usual to pay taxi drivers with stock) plus overhearing things as well of course.
Later on one of the paces Herman Cain worked was Coca Cola, (first in research and development to pay tuition after he lost his scholarship because he hadn’t realized how difficult it was because Everyone was a salutatorian) and eventually (after some other jobs including a civilian mathematician for the Navy) he became an executive at Coca-Cola, but he left the company because everybody knew he was the “chauffeur’s son” and he concluding this was impeding his advance.
So I don’t think Herman Cain would object to talking to the driver. I don’t think the full story of that got into the paper. For all we know the memo writer was soon fired, although not before the driver quit.
Herman Cain does seem to be an amateur at campaigning (besides maybe not being truly interested in the question of whether what he says is right)
Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:47 amMy point is that these allegations raise questions. How much of it is true? Why would these women in different circumstances all say the same thing about him? Why would they choose to make all these false claims? What’s the catch ? Am sure honest people on this board have considered these in their minds.
The Emperor (03864d) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:47 amThis is the kind of story that attracts those who love anger and bashing and fighting, whether the issue is worthwhile or not.
It’s like Weinergate in that regard. I find the antics of the nasty defenders and attackers a lot more interesting than the actual scandal, if there even is a scandal.
Dustin (cb3719) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:48 amI would assume now that that memo writer either was Mark Bloch or somebody very close to him.
Ronald Reagan fired his much too cynical campaign manager, John Sears, right after the New Hampshire primary in 1980 and saved his campaign. (Reagan had actually decided before but also decided to wait to announce it)
John McCain fired his campaign manager, John Weaver, after Weaver had used up all his early money by July 2007, and saved his campaign.
Newt Gingrich didn’t fire his campaign staff – they quit when he refused to take their orders not to go on a vacation cruise. And he’s doing all right so far.
Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:50 amComment by The Emperor — 11/9/2011 @ 9:47 am
Why would these women in different circumstances all say the same thing about him?
Wait, wait, it’s not all the same thing. We haven’t heard many details of the two formal complaints.
The fourth one, the one with him meeting an ex-employee of a related organization that he didn’t supervise – upgrading a hotel room, taking her out to coffee and a restaurant, and then trying to grab her in a car like a teenaged Ed Koch (who, ever afterwards, stayed far away from most women!) is quite different from the other stories.
We’ve been told the stories are the same but haven’t been told the kind of details that would let us say that.
Why would they choose to make all these false claims?
Well the third (the anonymous one) the fourth (Sharon Bialek) and the 5th (woman reporter says that at a speech in Egypt in 2002, Herman Cain asked if he could get in contact with a 30-year old Egyptian woman and have dinner with her because he’s like to finish answering her question. Reporter says she was disturbed by that and told him something. The reporter says that Herman Cain then said well, why then don’t I have dinner with you? Reporter says she didn’t feel comfortable and suggested that two other women be included. Dinner was held and nothing happened)
….all came forward after this had become a big controversy.
The initial leak has to have come from people who knew about both settled cases, and that points to people at the National Restaurant Association.
What’s the catch ? Am sure honest people on this board have considered these in their minds.
The New York Daily News editorialized today:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/herman-cain-denials-karen-kraushaar-accusers-fall-short-article-1.974755
Herman Cain’s denials on Karen Kraushaar, other accusers fall short
National Restaurant Association must release records to provide a full accounting of what women alleged
Not good enough. Not by a long shot. Not if you want to be President of the United States. Herman Cain owes America more than blanket denials of sexually related misbehavior, no matter how strongly he delivered them.
And forceful Cain was Tuesday in unequivocally rejecting as false the grope-in-car story told by Sharon Bialek, as well as the thus far less detailed assertions of three other women.
“They simply didn’t happen,” said Cain of the claims, adding he’d take a lie detector test if events warranted.
He needn’t go that far. In fact, he should not so demean an already cheapened political process. Instead, Cain must order the release of:
:: All written complaints filed against him alleging workplace abuses while he headed the National Restaurant Association.
:: Any correspondence and records produced by the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in considering or resolving such charges.
:: All Restaurant Association records related to the charges, including settlement or severance agreements under which the association made payments to the complainants.
And let not privacy concerns get in the way. If need be, the names of Cain’s accusers can be redacted from the paperwork.
One of them was identified by the media Tuesday. Karen Kraushaar then confirmed she had indeed complained about Cain while working for the association. Now employed as a spokeswoman at the Treasury Department, she said she wanted the four women to tell their stories jointly.
Kraushaar made her statement as Cain was on the verge of appearing at a press conference. He minimized what happened between them by repeating the little that he has acknowledged previously. Namely that, standing close to her in his office, he noted that she was about as tall as his wife and gestured to the spot on his chest corresponding to both women’s height.
Then, preposterously, Cain said he had no recollection of what else Kraushaar may have complained about. Not remembering is a far cry from denying.
And, at this point, after he and his lawyers have had ample opportunity to refresh Cain’s recollections with a glance at the paperwork or a call to his former employer, saying “I forget” amounts to stonewalling.
As for Bialek, Cain said he had no recollection of ever meeting her, although he allowed for what he described as the highly unlikely possibility of changing his mind in an “Aha!” moment.
Bialek’s account had Cain upgrading her hotel room without her knowledge, joining her for drinks and dinner at a restaurant, driving to a parking spot close to the association’s headquarters and pulling her head toward his crotch while reaching under her skirt.
So she says. He calls her a liar. Perhaps there’s no way to resolve that conflict. But other complaints triggered proceedings. Regarding these, Cain must produce the full record, documented on paper, for voters to pass judgment.
Declaring he is the victim of a plot by forces determined to stop a brilliant outsider from attacking the status quo is but egotistical eyewash.
Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:23 amMore hate
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/herman-cain-monster-accuser/story?id=14912783#.TrqS3fKwW_8
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:27 amThey “all say the same thing about him,” Lovey?
Citation, please!
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:27 am“Herman Cain’s denials on Karen Kraushaar, other accusers fall short”
Sammy – I take the position that it is the accusers accusations which fall short. What proof have they offered that anything actually happened? Let the accusers put some details on the table before asking Cain to respond.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:32 amNow employed as a spokeswoman at the Treasury Department, she said she wanted the four women to tell their stories jointly.
— Is that like coming together to get your stories straight? Like Bialek with her disjointed and, obviously scripted by Allred, filled with false-notes recollection?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:37 amNot that I care. Not that I even really understand your comment. But, didn’t they agree to some kind of non disclosure?
Isn’t the truth here that they must not release records?
Why not just shrug this off as impossible to call with the information we have? Why must we even resolve it? Sure, if you can resolve it, good, but if you can’t, that’s not really so bad. We have real issues like Obamacare and Iran getting nukes and Fast and Furious.
I wouldn’t really care if Cain’s answer to questions on this topic were ‘next question’. Or what Rick Perry said ‘I wanna talk about my jobs plan, not some stupid sex scandal you haven’t even proven.’
Just my opinion. isn’t this boring you guys?
Dustin (cb3719) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:41 am“But, didn’t they agree to some kind of non disclosure?”
Dustin – You are absolutely correct, but last week they agreed to waive it at least with respect to Karen Kraushaar. Her lawyer at that point said she did not want to discuss detail of her allegations or what was in the agreement and that she had not empowered him to on her behalf.
No word on whether that position has changed so we are still in the dark with respect to the details of the two NRA separation agreements.
As far as I am aware Bialek did not come forward with travel receipts, hotel bills or other documentation supporting her story from Monday. Can anybody else verify that?
The media want to put the burden on Cain, when no burden of proof has been established on the accusers. He is guilty before proven innocent.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:59 amDustin,
True but Cain has made strong personal attacks on Perry playing the race card saying he wouldnt serve his country with him over the 1984 rock incident on land that wasnt even theirs
Then Cain played the race card, the Perry Card, pretended he didnt know who these people were
Yes the people accusing him are very flawed – almost as much as a guy who seems to be behaving
And also there are more women coming out right?
We decryed Joe the plumber having his financial problems made to be the foundation of his attacks on Obama but its okay to have more scrutiny n these women than we have on the very fake Mr Cain.
Like has anyone asked him why he keeps lying about 9 9 9? It isnt 9 9 9 its a massive America ending 30% tax on everything with the current social security taxes staying in place etc
No one asked him about that
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:01 amIt’s hard to sympathize with Cain on this since he not only declared (without evidence) that the Perry campaign was guilty of leaking the story, then his campaign followed it by (erroneously) claiming it confirmed Kraushaar’s son worked for Politico.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:05 amRace card for me but not for thee
-EricPWJohnson
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:05 amIt’s hard for me to have sympathy for Obama since he blames bush on everything and the fact that he sexually groped Vera Baker.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:06 amAnd that was wrong.
Two-three-four wrongs don’t make a right.
I’m so glad Perry didn’t entertain this scandal. I know it was probably tempting to do so, but I would not have been able to continue supporting him.
I can understand the appeal to getting down in that mud hole and wallowing. I do it sometimes, and I regret it when I do later. Don’t we always?
I know DRJ’s right, too. But I would go that far and no farther.
And like I said, dang aren’t there some real issues like what the GOP component of the supercommittee offered up this week.
Dustin (cb3719) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:11 amComment by EricPWJohnson — 11/9/2011 @ 11:01 am
Like has anyone asked him why he keeps lying about 9 9 9? It isnt 9 9 9
It’s 9.1, 9.1, 9.1 If economic statistics are correct, using static analysis , such a tax, in calendar year 2008, would have brought in the same amount of money to the federal government as the taxes it is designed to replace.
its a massive America ending 30% tax on everything with the current social security taxes staying in place etc
No this replaces Social Security and Medicare taxes among other things.
But he ignores practical problems in collecting such a tax, transition problems, and fairness problems (money taxed years ago will now be taxed when it is spent)
Look, what did he do? He spends a few hours at most talking over with someone what would be a good substitute tax, then has somebody somewhere make a spreadsheet to calculate a rate, decides the rate is good enough, and then goes all out selling it, open to no more changes.
Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:12 amhas anyone asked him why he keeps lying?
— I ask you that every day, but you never respond.
Where is that “disgusting” Cain ad, Eric?
Icy (461886) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:13 amAnd the Texas State Society is asking folks to go to the Kennedy center to see an affectionate portrait of Ann Richards.
Even my email inbox is insulting me.
Dustin (cb3719) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:14 am“It’s hard to sympathize with Cain on this since he not only declared (without evidence) that the Perry campaign was guilty of leaking the story, then his campaign followed it by (erroneously) claiming it confirmed Kraushaar’s son worked for Politico.”
DRJ – I don’t understand the campaign’s consistent missteps with stuff like this. It’s amateur hour. I believe they’ve backed off from both accusations, though and to me they are separate points.
I think it’s a great thing the we can now have Republican sex scandals without actual evidence, penis tweets, hookers, arrests, or similar accoutrements of past scandals. Progress is a wonderful thing.
I don’t think Cain has a chance in hell of winning the nomination, but I don’t want him unfairly taken out by the liberal media. If there are valid accusations against his character, bring them forward, with the appropriate evidence.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 12:04 pmYou are mistaking. “Behaved inappropriately” is not an allegation of fact; it is an opinion, of no value whatsoever.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 2:22 pmNo, we have not. Only two allegations have been made against him: 1) That he made a crude pass at Bialek. 2) That he asked the USAID woman to dinner. Only one of these is by any stretch of the imagination improper. No other allegations have been made at all, to the best of my knowledge.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 2:26 pmNo, they don’t, because they aren’t allegations.
How much of what is true? Apart from Bialek and the USAID woman, none of them have said anythign.
They haven’t, because they haven’t said anything at all; but supposing they had, how would that be surprising? They want in on the action, of course.
What false claims? Only Bialek has made a claim that might be true false. “He behaved inappropriately” cannot be true or false, any more than “he was wrong”, or “anchovies are delicious”.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 2:44 pm‘Game over, man’ next.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cain-accuser-kraushaar-filed-complaint-job/story?id=14913744#.TrrvakOIm0u
narciso (0fc95f) — 11/9/2011 @ 2:47 pmAccuser 4, Bielak is not credible on any count. She’s fired for bogus “sexual harassment” claims among other shortcomings. She cold calls the CEO, gets a room upgrade, wined and dined, sight unseen. And we’re to instantly recognize the predator that she dismissed. BeffinS.
Donnell, No. 5, is an idiot: she thought him suspicious.
Bennett is the lawyer for No. 1 and 2, and did not come close to getting “sexual harassment” money. The first girl, maybe 24 or 25, won’t even follow up. The second, a piece of work, won’t reveal anything without the cover of compatriots who are already known to be less credible.
Cain isn’t a prime candidate for POTUS so why this full court press?
Dead Meat can be beaten by roadkill.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 11/9/2011 @ 2:54 pmImportant datum about Bialek (and question for Cain)
via Verum Serum link
http://www.suntimes.com/8592168-417/sneed-witness-says-cain-accuser-hugged-him-during-tea-party-meeting-a-month-ago.html
According to this story, WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson saw the Bialek-Cain encounter at the WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center. (a Friday and Saturday)
While Sharon now claims she didn’t know that Cain was going to be there, “I recall Sharon was hell bent on going backstage at the TeaCon convention — where she cornered him” said Jacobson.
She went over to him, grabbed his left arm, and they started hugging. She whispered in his left ear, and kept talking as he bent to listen, and he kept saying “Uh, huh. Uh, huh.”
This would probably be telling him she met him at some event and he’s saying yes that event happened. Yes, you described it right.
Quoth Jacobson: “I had turned on TV to find out who was Cain’s accuser, and I almost fell over when I saw it was Sharon Bialek accusing Cain of groping her genitals.”
“I was waiting for Herman Cain’s ‘Accuser No. 4’ to surface — and up pops Sharon!”
“I couldn’t believe it. I was shocked.”
“I recall Sharon was hell bent on going backstage at the TeaCon convention — where she cornered him,” said Jacobson.
Bialek said Monday that “I went up to him and asked him if he remembered me. I wanted to see if he would be man enough to own up to what he had done 14 years ago.”
Jacobson said “it looked sort of flirtatious. I mean they were hugging. But she could have been giving him the kiss of death for all I know. I had no idea what they were talking about, but she was inches from his ear.”
“It all began when I took a convention break and joined my pals at the hotel bar. Sharon was drinking Mimosas with them. She said she was a Republican, a Tea Party member, had once dated [White Sox sports announcer’ Steve Stone] and had worked at WGN radio.”
[Don’t know where the quote begins here] Sharon also said she was anxious to meet Cain again and had once gone to an afterparty with him and her boyfriend years ago. But she never mentioned he had sexually harassed her.”
—
The party would be the previous meeting which is what she claimed prompted her to request ameeting later after she was fired. Cain wouldn’t remember her among so many people after so many years.
This is the beginning of October. It’s almost three weeks before Politico first contacted the Cain campaign with very vague allegations.
At that point maybe she’s trying to get him to acknowledge he knows her, maybe get a favor some day.
But here’s a question for Cain. He said he doesn’t know her name. But does he remember this thing that happened a month ago, and what actually happened? What did she say to him? Was she trying to get it to look like she knew him?
It might be actually she didn’t even see him even once back in 1997 then but had information from someone about some National Restaurant Association event in 1997. It could be he now thinks maybe she was lying to him a month ago but he won’t say that.
He did not say I never met her in my life because he did, at least this year.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/9/2011 @ 3:47 pmAgain, audio of Bill Kurtis who explains why he doesn’t find Bialek credible: http://wlsam.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=16521&ID=2329023
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 3:56 pmComment by narciso — 11/9/2011 @ 8:05 am
Meanwhile back at the ranch:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/barclays-says-italy-finished-mathematically-beyond-point-no-return
What that blog post by the famous Zero Hedge says is that Barclays Capital inst sales (whatever that is) says Italy is finished mathematically if the interest rate it has
to pay goes above 5.5%
Now, a few days ago Italy withdrew a bond sale that would have sold at 6%, saying they didn’t really need the money, and now Italy’s debt is trading at a price that yields 7%
John Batchelor said the other day Italy is both too big to fail and too big to rescue.
Now actually really that’s not true.
But somebody is going to have to open up the money spigots.
In fact that is Barclay’s conclusion!
11) Conclusion: We think ECB needs to step up to the plate, print and buy bonds
12) At the moment ECB remains unwilling to be lender last resort on scale needed
13) But frankly will have hand forced by market given massive systemic risk
I would add that if the ECBN bank doesn’t do it, the Federal Reserve Bank will have to do it,
What’s suspicious about this analysis by Barclays is that they advocate buying gold, as if the value of gold was stable. And the truth is, if they create just the right amnount of money, there should be little ill effects.
Latest news: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/business/daily-stock-market-activity.html?_r=1&hp
Sell-Off Fever Spreads to U.S. on Fears of Broader Crisis
And Governor Perry says printing money is a TERRIBLE thing – treason even. Hopefully, the rest of the Republicans (not counting Ron Paul who is at best a crank) don’t join in in that thinking. It’s the worst kind of policy. Money that is destroyed has to be replaced or there is a depression.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:16 pmWhoever has been shorting Italian paper has to have, and will, make a fortune…
AD-RtR/OS! (b10a8d) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:31 pmSay, what’s Soros doing lately?
~Quotes from two political pundits, Finney and Touré, qualify as “new liberal blood libel?”
tifosa (fbd557) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:49 pm~Bialek was asked about the “hug” today and described the contact as much different than a “hug” (more of an arm contact and lean while she spoke to him.)
~Cain came out of the box making this about race when he quoted Thomas.
~I did then, and do now, believe Anita Hill. It’s disgusting what happened to her, now to Bialek, and already to Kraushaar.
~We’re starting to count Cain/Cain campaign inconsistencies (4 diff stories the first day?) or lies (ie. that her son worked for Politico, then that they had verified that with politico staff) and desperate blaming.
~In the end, as he “ain’t” dropping out, you get to decide if he’ll be our next president. 😀
oh yeh Jon. Huntsman.
tifosa (fbd557) — 11/9/2011 @ 4:50 pmTell me: did you believe Paula Jones? How about Juanita Brodderick? Or Kathleen Wiley? Are you disgusted by what happened to any of them — both at the hands of Bill Clinton and then later at the hands of prominent Democrats in the press?
Anita Hill, by comparison, was treated with a great deal more respect than any of those three.
Chuck Bartowski (2e6a2a) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:03 pmTitosa would much rather talk about this than Obama’s profound failure, or the Dems intentionally walking away from the super committee, or Obama dissing Israel again, or Holder perjuring himself.
JD (9f5519) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:08 pmAnita Hill is a lying hypocritical tramp who had no problem sniffing Clintons nuts and worshipping his every move.
By the way shoot yourself now Tifosa.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:13 pmInteresting performance by Rick Perry so far. As he listens to others speak, he has an expression on his face like he is struggling to understand the foreign language – English – that is being spoken.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:16 pmMr. Governor Rick knows english way better than Jon huntsman knows Chinese
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:36 pmching chong ling long ting tong!
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:40 pm“We need to plant a flag in the middle of America: Open for business.”
Rick Perry’s Simpleton’s plan for America.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:54 pmit’s like Iwo Jima all over again except different cause this flag marks the beginning of the end of America’s war on jobs
ooh I just got chills when I typed that
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:56 pmColonel – I heart you, but your gratuitous slamming of Perry has become quite tiring.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:58 pmI slam his performance, not his character.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 5:59 pmNo, you call him stupid, a thousand different ways. While supporting your statist. Good on ya. Usually you make me laugh, but your anti-Perry crap is wearing thin. And I don’t care much for Perry.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:11 pmI’m pretty sure Cain is done but Ann Coulter has a rip snorter of an article up today about how the women probably got dug up, and gives us a warning and preview of likely movies to come courtesy of Mr. Axelrod’s army.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html
elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:17 pmthat really is a good read elissa
this ann coulter has a bright future I think
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:27 pmElissa – do you see a pattern? 😉
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:33 pmComment by ColonelHaiku — 11/9/2011 @ 5:16 pm
Interesting performance by Rick Perry so far. As he listens to others speak, he has an expression on his face like he is struggling to understand the foreign language – English – that is being spoken
He managed to remember the name of a Cabinet Department he’d earlier forgotten: The Department of Energy. At this rate, he won’t need to see Gingrich’s brain specialists. (Gingrich wants massive research on that – he says a lot of medical costs are caused by brain disabilities: Alzheimer’s, autism etc.)
Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:37 pmNo, you call him stupid, a thousand different ways. While supporting your statist. Good on ya. Usually you make me laugh, but your anti-Perry crap is wearing thin. And I don’t care much for Perry.
Comment by JD
What was that third department Perry was going to eliminate, JD? He’s not stupid, he lacks luster.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:39 pmbrains are very expensive when they don’t work good
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:40 pmbenpolitico A prominent Perry supporter just emailed: “I’m sad stuck a fork in himself can’t decide which is worse Dean scream… http://t.co/MWnYRPqg
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:41 pmJRubinBlogger who on the perry campaign is in charge of making sure perry sees no newspapers tomorrow?
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:42 pmEdMorrissey Nice rebound by Perry. If not for the most painful 30 seconds in debate history, he’d be doing pretty well. #cnbcupdate
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:42 pmWhy yes, JD, I do see a familiar pattern. And have since the Cain “scandal” emerged. It may have been fed to the media using some other channel. But there has never been, even for one minute, a doubt in my mind that it started in Axelrod’s shop.
elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:42 pmphilipaklein Perry: the Jerk store called, and they’re running out of you.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:42 pmokay… now that was just plain mean.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:46 pmDept of Energy
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:49 pmAmen, Elissa. Amen. And look at the people that have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:51 pmDept of Energy
Comment by JD
Bravo! You can join Mitch Daniels in wishing you would’ve run…
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 6:55 pmI have no wish to have run. Were Mitch Daniels on that stage, I would not despise the field of candidates.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:00 pmsomeone reminder me what’s the difference between Judson Phillips and a fetid twat?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:01 pmJonahNRO Right now someone is taking down a Perry for President sign.
ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:03 pmOh. I opened up a debate thread, kind of late. Looks like you’re doing it here, which, if you want to continue, carry on. But there is a dedicated one if you want that.
Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:03 pmThe trouble is that disgraced journalist Amy Jacobson is not the most reliable witness either.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:37 pmAmen, milhouse. It is shocking how easily that is just glossed over.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:39 pm“Elissa – do you see a pattern? 😉
Comment by JD — 11/9/2011 @ 6:33 pm”
40 Year career. Only “evidence” so far of him being a sexual predator is from a short stint as CEO of the NRA.
Allegations, and we are not even sure what they are in the case of a few of the women, are completely out of character with the rest of his career, not that that means they necessarily false or anything.
Cain has vigorously and publicly denied any harassment.
Next
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:48 pmnot dispositive–but interesting–
Investigator analyzes Cain presser and Bialek statement (using software). And says he’s innocent.
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/16002149/investigator-herman-cain-innocent-of-sexual-advances
elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:50 pmAmy Jacobson is the “Bikini Reporter” from NBC-5 who sued CBS Chicago over its use of a video shot from a neighbor of Craig Stebic’s, a suspect in the disappearance of his wife, showing Amy frolicking around in her bikini. The video caused quite a stir at the time and led to Amy’s divorce.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:57 pmdaley,
I don’t doubt that Bialek and Cain had a short personal interaction at Teacon. That’s kind of what that sort of convention is for–meet and greet the well known conservatives. Raise some money. I have no doubt that she grabbed his arm and whispered in his ear. I don’t even question that she tried to remind him that she had once also worked at the Restaurant association. People witnessed her there at Teacon talking to Cain. She made sure that they did.
What I don’t buy is that they were rehashing old times in a car together. I don’t buy that he even recognized her from anytime or anywhere before.
Amy Jacobson had provided a picture taken at Teacon to one of the Chi-town papers. I think it was the ST. Amy was part of a small group in which Amy was standing next to Cain and they had their arms around each other’s shoulders smiling broadly for the camera as one does when posing with celebs. Yet, with that pictorial proof of PDA no one seems to be asking if there was anything funny going on between her and Herman—and she does (as you pointed out) have a “history”.
As our old friend Gennette would say, “it’s all fake fake fake”.
elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:21 pm“I don’t doubt that Bialek and Cain had a short personal interaction at Teacon.”
Neither do I.
“I don’t buy that he even recognized her from anytime or anywhere before.”
Neither to I. Jacobson said she bum rushed her to get to Cain and threw an arm around him. Bialek said he looked uncomfortable. I can reconcile those two accounts.
Bialek had very specific “remembrances” about where she dined with Cain on his visit to Chicago, Marche for lunch, yet provided no specifics on where they went for dinner in Washington while recalling exactly what she wore. She was staying with her boyfriend two hours away, why did she need to stay overnight? I find her story too curious.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:34 pmelissa – I was just providing some background on Jacobson because it was a high profile incident. I had not realized she sued CBS over it and that her husband filed for divorce after the video aired.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:36 pmInvestigator analyzes Cain presser and Bialek statement (using software). And says he’s innocent.
Since I often don’t click on links out of laziness, I want to highlight the bits of the article you cited that were posted at cbsatlanta.com:
Mark (411533) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:50 pmI was just watching ABC News Nightline.
Of course the first story was about Joe Paterno being fired, very brief, because it just happened. Then, the next story was about a teen girl who had posted online revealing pictures of herself and the consequences.
But I found the promos for later stories interesting. Of course, the Perry gaffe was featured. However, a later juxtaposition in the promo was jarring. The story was about Hollywood, political and musical stars coming together to raise awareness for wounded veterans. Which is good.
This is what caught my eye: The promo of the wounded veteran story featured Bill Clinton shaking hands with the veterans, the actual story did not.
Oops. Maintaining the narrative is hard for TV.
Ag80 (ec45d6) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:59 pmAnother woman comes forward to accuse Herman Cain of sexual harassment.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:01 pmBy the way let us see evidence from both Cain and his accusers.
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:16 pmElissa – why are you attacking the innocent victim of this egregious sexual predator and rapist?
JD (9f5519) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:17 pmsunny one so true
I heart you
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:24 pmCain is a philanderer and i don’t need no proof Tee hee hoo
/Perrykrishnas
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:29 pmMM is a romney stooge except when she criticizes Palin
/Perrykrishna
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:32 pmI gave up Malkin in late 07 until she criticized Palin than I temporarily went on the Michelle Malkin train of soul.
/Perrykrishna
DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:35 pm==why are you attacking the innocent victim of this egregious sexual predator and rapist?==
OK, JD. I know I’m being shallow but it’s just that I don’t like her hair extensions and the makeup that looks as if it was applied with a trowel.
elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:38 pmI applaud you, Elissa.
JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:46 pmDid they? Who are these people, apart from the suspect Jacobson? Not that it makes a lot of difference, but let’s get our facts sorted out from our conjectures. Is it an established fact that she was at TeaCon and had a close encounter with Cain there? Or is it just a report from one person who has a checquered history?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:15 pm“the makeup that looks as if it was applied with a trowel.”
elissa – Spackle. You can buy it in 5 gallon buckets at Home Depot or pay through the nose for the 1 or 2 oz. stuff they call make up.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:34 pmMight be some grout there too.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:35 pmComment by tifosa — 11/9/2011 @ 4:49 pm
Icy (d29113) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:40 am~Quotes from two political pundits, Finney and Touré, qualify as “new liberal blood libel?”
— Yes. The quotes are from liberals, they are playing the race card against Cain in a new way, and they are intended to cause irreparable harm to his reputation. Ain’t ‘comprehension’ grand?
~Bialek was asked about the “hug” today and described the contact as much different than a “hug” (more of an arm contact and lean while she spoke to him.)
— Yeah, that’s so TOTALLY different than a hug! [eye roll] Now, how about the question of why she was initiating ANY contact with the man that had so brutally assaulted her in the first place, hmm?
~Cain came out of the box making this about race when he quoted Thomas.
— First of all, do you have a link to where Herman Cain “quoted” Clarence Thomas? Secondly, are you saying that Cain FORCED the liberal pundits to attack him on racial grounds?
~I did then, and do now, believe Anita Hill. It’s disgusting what happened to her, now to Bialek, and already to Kraushaar
— You are now, and always have been, a leftist tool. If the charge is a negative against a conservative you just accept it at face value. Wow, are you ever deep!
~We’re starting to count Cain/Cain campaign inconsistencies (4 diff stories the first day?) or lies (ie. that her son worked for Politico, then that they had verified that with politico staff) and desperate blaming.
— And Bill Ayers was “just a guy in the neighborhood”, right? But if making mistakes were the criteria for disqualification from holding office . . .
~In the end, as he “ain’t” dropping out, you get to decide if he’ll be our next president.
— And a nice little racist jab (“ain’t” in quotes) tops off our sundae with a dab of cream and a cherry. Voila!
I really shouldn’t be surprised that tifosa turned tail and ran once she was challenged on her B.S.
Chuck Bartowski (2e6a2a) — 11/10/2011 @ 6:34 pmtifosa . . . tifosa . . . Where are you??
Icy (178cb3) — 11/12/2011 @ 8:54 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/post-roast-jennifer-rubins-retweet/2011/11/07/gIQAxxLQ1M_blog.html
narciso (ef1619) — 11/12/2011 @ 8:57 pmIts obvious anyone will do anything to smear a political campaign and thats exactly what they are doing to Cain. Even if past issues were resolved, theres nothing like grave digging to get the dirt all over the place. I see the metaphor here as critics digging the grave and wanting to watch Cain fill the hole back in with dirt.
Drew (8f6410) — 11/18/2011 @ 10:23 am