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11/2/2011

How about another Cain “aggressive and unwanted behavior” post? (Update x6)

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 1:07 pm



[Posted by Karl]

Breaking AP exclusive:

A third former employee says she considered filing a workplace complaint over what she considered aggressive and unwanted behavior by Herman Cain when she worked for the presidential candidate in the 1990s. She says the behavior included a private invitation to his corporate apartment.

“Considered” sounds weak, but the number of the counting shall be three.

Update: Ace (not a Cain guy):

This is still all Eye of the Beholder stuff. The stuff alleged, so far, isn’t definite come-ons. It’s stuff someone could take as a come-on, but that doesn’t mean Cain intended it as a come-on.

***

Unless the behavior is provable and definitely more than merely being uncomfortable, or unless a whole string of women offer up similar complaints, I suppose he can survive.

***

She considered filing a sexual harassment claim — but did not. So in her own mind this was not at that threshold of seriousness.

The problem here is that I just don’t consider all awkward moments a cause of action, but I know that some feminists do, and so does the media, at least when the alleged cause of the awkwardness has an R after his name.

If you’re a Democrat, you can chat up sixteen year old girls on Twitter, no problem.

I’m beginning to wonder if there’s any there there. At some point this is going to have to get more serious or I’m going to need it to go away.

I have suspected this would become serious. I still sort of do. But if it’s going to be this kind of a thing, these minor bits of social discomfort, well.

RTWT for bonus profanity.

Update 2: Although former National Restaurant Association pollster Chris Wilson said he witnessed incidents involving Cain and they were serious, Tony Fabrizio, who was Wilson’s boss at the time of the alleged incidents (and was hired by the Perry campaign in October) says he did not know about the accusations.

Update 3: Cain blames Curt Anderson, a recent Perry hire who worked on Cain’s losing 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, for leaking the story.  (My Twitter pal Nathan Wurtzel notes that accusation is again inconsistent with Cain’s initial claim of not recalling the details.) Anderson — and Perry spokesman Ray Sullivan — deny involvement.

Update 4: Iowa Radio talk show host Steve Deace claims Cain made similar comments to two of his female staffers.  Of course, Deace was not on the Cain Train, and it’s an easy claim to make now.

Update 5: Bush-Cheney/RNC vet Patrick Ruffini tweets, “If most reporters had more than a cycle’s worth of experience they’d know that the GOP’s master of oppo is running the Romney campaign.”

Update 6: According to a source who is friends with the Cain campaign, not only is the Rick Perry campaign involved but also the Mayor of Chicago and former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is likely involved with the sexual harassment accuser attacks.  I guess if you’re jumping the shark, you may as well bring in a good shark.

–Karl

147 Responses to “How about another Cain “aggressive and unwanted behavior” post? (Update x6)”

  1. Ding!

    Karl (f8195e)

  2. ahh, “great minds…” :^)

    tifosa (6a854b)

  3. I guess the Politico’s shout-out worked. They must be pleased.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  4. tifosa,

    If you’re going to do the “great minds” thing, probably should avoid linking to the exact same AP story at the Trib. 🙂

    Karl (f8195e)

  5. This is beginning to feel like a Romney dirty trick. CNN has Wilson(FOK, friend of Karl), who did a poll for Perry Aug. 15, saying he was present a couple of times and the dirt will bring Cain down. But he considers his past contractual non-disclosure agreements with the NRA legally binding preventing discussion of what he saw.

    The young lady was given a year’s severance at $33K. Via NYT, her lawyer is saying she wants to talk but he’s not contacted the NRA. She’s discussing with family whether to come forward but doesn’t want to be named in doing so.

    The NRA CEO following Cain is Steven C. Anderson(sp?) who has given to both Romney and Cain.

    Cain has said the settlement, young lady No. 1, followed performance issues. He wasn’t aware of another.

    I smell skunks.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  6. THAT was the point Karl 😛

    tifosa (6a854b)

  7. DRJ

    ow many women work today deciding that they need employment rather than the stigma of being one who complained?

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  8. Someone else has come forward who claims to be a witness. He has ties to Karl Rove. I guess now we know why Rove emerged early in this story to call on Cain to admit or deny his actions.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  9. Considering this is 3 now in his SHORT tenure there….

    But this is fueling a massive surge towards Cain, if three more women come forward Romney and Perry will be so far behind that they will have to drop out!

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  10. If he’d groped them, he could be governor of California. If he had had oral sex with them, it’s proof he will be a great President that feels your pain.

    cedarhill (66e0fc)

  11. Eric,

    My point is that the Politico shout-out seems to have worked because another complainant has surfaced. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she came forward after this story emerged, as opposed to last week or last month.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  12. DRJ

    But his ties to Rove are coincidental – I have ties to Rove so does about anyone who did Republican work in the last 15 years has some kind of “tie” to Carl or Bush whatever right?

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  13. To me a tie is someone who actually worked with or worked for or were under the direct supervision of the person. Dick Cheney hired me to start up a new steel mill – doesnt mean I was a part of his administration at all or had anything to do with Bush 43.

    So these ties are – coincidental

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  14. Eric,

    This is from Wilson’s own website:

    Chris has an extensive background in campaign strategy, political media, and message development. Wilson served as Executive Director of the Republican Party of Texas under then-Governor George W. Bush, working closely with Bush adviser Karl Rove. Wilson followed Karen Hughes in this position. Educated in international economic systems, Wilson got his start in polling for current Congressman Tom Cole’s polling and consulting firm in 1992.

    By the way, I’m sure people will point to Wilson’s Texas ties to blame Perry, but these are not Perry people. This information makes me think the gambit was aimed at hurting Cain and Perry.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  15. I think it’s more relevant that Wilson has ties to a pro-Romney Super-Pac. Not that I find that all that relevant, either. At DRJ’s HotAir link, Ed speculates Wilson coulda been a source for the original story, but it might be asked why you would then go public. Not sayin’ it wouldn’t happen, it just strikes me as odd.

    Karl (f8195e)

  16. btw Herb:

    NEWSFLASH: China HAS NUKES! (aside)

    tifosa (6a854b)

  17. DRJ

    I worked closely with those people – that has nothing to do with the fact that EVERYONE knows about Herman Cain me, the dog, 2cats, the post office guy, this stuff has been swirling around for weeks now

    As Shep Smith just said an hour or 2 ago – this is what happens when unserious candidates become front runners and asked Cheri Jacobi – comeon this guy was running for self promotion is he really serious about being a candidate?

    She didnt rebutt him. EVERYONE BUT THE VOTERS KNOW this guys an entertaining highly flawed individual as we all are

    And the relentless repackaging ala Huckabee, Palin, Clinton, will commence where fiction becomes facts and facts are sexists/religous/racists attacks

    A N E R I C A if we cant find a politician well then we can just make out own right there in front of you like a overpriced Japanese cookery

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  18. make our own and strike the reference to Palin 🙂

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  19. Its Cain for the win, people like flawed candidates in America – every presidential candidate accused of or suspected of having affairs was elected.

    Jefferson, A bunch of dead presidents then Truman, FDR, JFK, LBJ (he was a professional) Clinton.

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  20. I thought the invitation concerned one of the other two women. Or idid something similar happen twice? And what exactly happenbed?

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  21. Until and unless the accusers publically undergo in-depth scrutiny akin to what Joe Wurzelbacher was put through, these accusations are completely without merit.

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  22. Sammy Finkelman,

    It’s unclear. The initial allegation was about an invitation to his hotel room, whereas this one is about his corporate apartment. Could they be the same story? Sure.

    Karl (f8195e)

  23. 17. Evidently Cain in a 2005 article discussed China’s nuclear capabilities. As Laura said with Condi today, we can give a benefit of the doubt, but obviously he is neither sufficiently articulate or informed.

    I don’t want to hear from the President every week, best case.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  24. Karl

    no They are different stories

    However its just more points for Cain

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  25. Has anybody come forward with any actual details of anything? Dates, times, places, what was said, corroborating witnesses or is still all an amorphous cloud of second hand stuff and vague recollections with no specific allegations to which nobody should respond?

    Just curious.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. Re: Karl’s update with a link to Hot Air and the Update regarding Iowa radio host Steve Deace. Deace says he was suspicious because:

    Like awkward/inappropriate things he’s said to two females on my staff, that the fact the guy’s wife is never around … that’s almost always a warning flag to me,” Deace said.

    She is now: Cain’s wife to appear on Fox News later this week.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  27. In an Update, Allahpundit at Hot Air explains why the leaker couldn’t have been Anderson:

    Update: A good point from Guy Benson:

    [Curt] Anderson denying TO POLITICO that he leaked *to* Politico *does* clear him. Unless Politico *wants* to self-destruct.

    I.e. unless Politico is willing to knowingly publish false denials from its source, Anderson isn’t its source. Which brings us to another good point, this time from Ace’s co-blogger Drew M.: “So Cain’s story is he remembered to do an oppo dump on himself in 03 for Senate race but not for his ’12 run for POTUS?”

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  28. From the It Will Never Happen Department: Politico interviews all the suspected leakers regarding what they know. Wouldn’t whoever refuses to be interviewed, or whoever Politico declines to interview, be the prime suspect?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  29. laying on of hands
    for religious purposes
    an explanation?

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  30. Herman Cain is accusing a Perry employee of being behind the leaks: https://www.nationalreview.com/node/add/primary-event

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  31. Col,

    Had what you said in the updates, but not the part about Team Perry trying to implicate Team Romney, which is dumb of Perry.

    That said, Ben Domenech tweeted that the DC journos he spoke to today seem to think the leak originated from a recent NRA board meeting. Dunno which way that would point.

    Karl (f8195e)

  32. And all this adds up to is nothing.

    ODB (0f13a8)

  33. ODB,

    I generally agree… so far, which is why I made sure to include the bit from Ace. Erickson is pro-Perry, but also seems to think the only notable aspect so far was the lack of prep from Team Cain, given the advance warning from Politico.

    Karl (f8195e)

  34. “…Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
    We’re so glad you could attend
    Come inside! Come inside!…”
    -source, ‘Brain Salad Surgery,’ by Emerson, Lake & Palmer, 1973

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  35. Karl,

    It would point to the Democrats, since the NRA has many dem directors

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  36. Mr. Anderson, can you tell us when Mr. Cain said these things, where he said them, who he said them to, what he said and who else was there?

    Uhh, I am prohibited from revealing that information.

    Thank you Mr. Anderson, you have been extremely helpful.

    Mr. Cain, would you care to respond Mr. Anderson’s detailed allegations of your sexual misconduct?

    WTF?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. Gotta love that the allegations INVIGORATE his campaign. RUN, “Herb,” RUN! Obama 2012!

    tifosa (6a854b)

  38. I find it very, very hard to concentrate on this type of post when I am sitting here devastated and going through box after box of facial tissue over the break up of Kim’s marriage. What kind of lout did she marry?

    This is gonna be tough to get over.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  39. tiffy – How’s your sex life at OWS?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. “Come inside! Come inside!…”

    bet DCSCA says that to all the boys…

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  41. It is just waaaaay too easy to draw people out of the woodwork to defame a target these days and it certainly doesn’t take much to offend women and – to a lesser extent – men these days.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  42. 38 should have been Mr. Wilson.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  43. Comment by gary gulrud — 11/2/2011 @ 2:39 pm

    Evidently Cain in a 2005 article discussed China’s nuclear capabilities.

    China has more nuclear bombs than it knows what to do with. They are hidden in tunnels. You could call them loose nukes.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/26/whats-down-there-chinas-tunnels-and-nuclear-capabilities/

    What China doesn’t have is enough delivery systems.

    I read this op-ed article in the Wall Street Journal of Monday October 24, 2011:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576639502894496030.html

    How Many Nukes Does China Have? Plumbing the secret Underground Great Wall.

    By Bret Stephens

    It occured to me, on reading it, that is simply is much easier to nbuild nuclear bombs (the U.S. did in 1945 and did a hydrogen bomb in the early 1950s) than to build misisles (which came later. Every country that developed both nuclear bombs and sattellites did satellites later.

    It is logical to think that China, once it developed the ability to make nuclear bombs,
    just kept on building more and more of them, because the program just went on on automatic pilot, but it had no place to put them. That would have required a major investment and it didn’t happen. So they stored them in tunnels. Very, very, logical and U.S. intelligence would only count delivery systems.

    Cain said now they were interested in building aircraft carriers.

    Now the spin is:

    Herman Cain incorrectly suggests China doesn’t have nuclear capability

    That’s because he said on PBS:

    “They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.”

    It could simply be that Cain left out some words..

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  44. Whoever’s behind all these accusers suddenly coming forward (not when Cain entered the race, mind you- only when he started leading some polls) obviously hates black people.

    Attend a racist church for 20 years? Drown a girl in the back of your car? Be a former Klansman? No problem- IF you’re a Democrat.

    Cain’s ‘crime’ is this: being conservative while black.

    Jones (3157cf)

  45. That last one may just be the same info others have reported.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  46. The CBS Evening News has been very fair. Their story on Monday treated this as something that
    was maybe going to cause trouble for Cain and which Cain might stumble over.

    I think the attitude was, this is not something illegal or unethical but if he did it this is something taht voters might not like.

    Today Scott Pelley said that this is difficult to cover as the sources are anonymous and the accusations are ambiguous and their reporters are hearing contradictory stories.

    I think some of it is that they hear from some people that there is a pattern and from people who worked for herman cain before the National restaurant Association that nothing like that ever happened.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  47. Comment by JG — 11/2/2011 @ 4:24 pm

    This was a obvious hit started by the Perry campaign against Cain.

    This now disqualifies Rick Perry from the Presidency.

    Mark Levin on the radio was careful not to blame Rick Perry himself.

    That’s the column referenced in Update 3:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-leak/

    Herman Cain said he told Curt Anderson about ,i> one lawsuit – that’s all he knew about – in 2003, in the context of talking about what opposition research could turn up. he says that Anderson was the only other person in the room at the time.

    “When I sat down with my general campaign consultant Curt Anderson in a private room in our campaign offices in 2003 we discussed opposition research on me. It was a typical campaign conversation. I told him that there was only one case, one set of charges, one woman while I was at the National Restaurant Association. Those charges were baseless, but I thought he needed to know about them. I don’t recall anyone else being in the room when I told him.”

    It is little difficult for this to be something that originated at the Rick Perry. He was hired on October 24, but Politico already had some of the story on October 19. It would more be like this is a cover-up of the source of the leak.

    Even if Curt Anderson gave a tip to someone at some point that doesn’t make him the source now.

    The source can only be someone at the National restaurant Association. they are the only people who knew there were two cases.

    He said the best reporting had come from an opinion piece in Forbes

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  48. _____________________________________________

    Iowa Radio talk show host Steve Deace claims Cain made similar comments to two of his female staffers.

    Lots of guys think with their crotches, regardless of political or religious affiliation. It’s a fact of life. Moreover, such behavior is made worse by today’s feel-good, no-shame culture, best symbolized by beloved or popular (Hi, all you Democrats/liberals!), globe-trotting Bill Clinton.

    Guys on the top of the food chain — eg, major CEOs, bigwig politicians, community leaders, tycoons, etc — are even more likely to not only think with their genitals, but to have enough ego and hubris to believe such behavior deserves several free passes.

    Cain — probably often alone and lonely in his hectic, high-mileage lifestyle (and maybe his wife also tends to not put out?) — must be horny enough that he’ll approach women in a singles-at-the-bar manner. It will be hilarious if the females who’ve considered such reactions as harassment are not only not prudes, but perhaps are permissive and easygoing — certainly if they’re of leftist orientation — in their own way.

    Mark (411533)

  49. Anderson is denying that he ever heard any of these allegations until I read them in Politico, nor does anything I read in the press change my opinion that Herman is an upstanding man and a gentleman.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67479.html#ixzz1cau1HWplany

    Mark Levin says that the people at Politico are desperately trying to save their reputations.

    I don’t think this is simple to figure out.

    Occam’s Razor will lead astray because you don’t have all the facts.

    thing from Cain,.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  50. Memo to: Herman Cain
    Subject: Mushroom pies w/extra sauce

    “One of the big news items of the past year [1964] concerned the fact that China, which we called “Red China,” exploded a nuclear bomb, which we called a device. Then Indonesia announced that it was going to have one soon, and proliferation became the word of the day. Here’s a song about that:

    First we got the bomb, and that was good,
    ‘Cause we love peace and motherhood.
    Then Russia got the bomb, but that’s okay,
    ‘Cause the balance of power’s maintained that way.
    Who’s next?

    France got the bomb, but don’t you grieve,
    ‘Cause they’re on our side (I believe).
    China got the bomb, but have no fears,
    They can’t wipe us out for at least five years.
    Who’s next?

    Then Indonesia claimed that they
    Were gonna get one any day.
    South Africa wants two, that’s right:
    One for the black and one for the white.
    Who’s next?

    Egypt’s gonna get one too,
    Just to use on you know who.
    So Israel’s getting tense.
    Wants one in self defense.
    “The Lord’s our shepherd,” says the psalm,
    But just in case, we better get a bomb.
    Who’s next?

    Luxembourg is next to go,
    And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
    We’ll try to stay serene and calm
    When Alabama gets the bomb.
    Who’s next?
    Who’s next?
    Who’s next?
    Who’s next?”

    source- Tom Lehrer, “That Was The Year That Was,” 1965

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  51. This was a obvious hit started by the Perry campaign against Cain.

    This now disqualifies Rick Perry from the Presidency.

    Comment by JG

    Wait just a minute, there! We need to hear from Dustin and recombinant05. What do true perryfans say?

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  52. Free link (for now) to full text of Wall Street Journal article about Chinese nuclear bombs in tunnels:

    http://www.luxlibertas.com/how-many-nukes-does-china-have/

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  53. Cain starting to sound like Bill Clinton, now there was a real black man. Liberals love Clinton.

    Attack Watch (186545)

  54. memo to ASPCA… put it where the Sun don’t shine, Skippy!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  55. Comment number 268 on the

    The obligatory Cain “inappropriate conduct” thread (Updated x8)

    No… found what I was thinking about and it definitely sounds much worse than this… from Jay Nordlinger:

    “Andrew Roberts, the historian, drops something tantalizing in the current Spectator. To read his “Diary,” go here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/wit-and-wisdom/diary/7256373/diary.thtml He attended a party on Martha’s Vineyard, a party also attended by the Clintons. “Bill told my wife Susan and me something rather shocking about one of the Republican presidential frontrunners, unrepeatable in a family magazine such as this. If it’s true, the race is still wide open . . .”

    If the Democrats have bombs to drop on the Republican nominee — whoever he is — they will likely drop them a year from now: as Election Day approaches. In the meantime, the Republicans oughta — you know: vet.”

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 10/31/2011 @ 3:13 pm

    This gets you to:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/wit-and-wisdom/diary/7256373/diary.thtml

    24 September 2011

    Read down and you get:

    Bill told my wife Susan and me something rather shocking about one of the Republican presidential frontrunners, unrepeatable in a family magazine such as this. If it’s true, the race is still wide open…

    ———–

    Mary Ose, former human resources chief at the NRA, is now living in Hot Springs Village…Arkansas.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  56. I wonder what Cain did to make these hoochies get so freaked out or if these are just the kind where they get freaked out for no real reason

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  57. I do not have enough information to make any conclusions

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  58. I agree, happyfeet. All speculation. I think so far the big winner in this is Romney (and Obama). A nice, ugly wedge between Perry and Cain now, ugly aspersions cast, and I think we’ll see their number drop if this new twist gets any traction. Either way, Mitt is smart to stay as far away from it as possible.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  59. The Cain campaign says Rick Perry is behind this. Is it because he is? Or is it because that makes this a political ploy by Cain’s non-Romney rival, and Cain hopes people will ignore the story? I have no idea but I’m glad I’m not a politician.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  60. “Gov Palin to make annoucement at 9pm concerning race”

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  61. “…Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory. If I’ve left anything out, just ask me specific questions and I’ll be glad to answer them… one by one…” -source, Captain Queeg, [Humphrey Bogart,] ‘The Caine Mutiny,’ Columbia Pictures, 1954

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  62. Playing tonight – Days of Wine and Roses – With DCSCA assuming the role originally played by Lee Remick.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  63. Actually, DCSCA never disappoints: a nutjob referencing a nutjob.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  64. Perry, who had so recently been slimed by the Macaca Post, should have been loud and fast with cautionings that people should wait and see and et cetera

    it would have cost him nothing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  65. daley… it’s more like teh Days of Lines and Noses with ASPCA.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  66. A true Christian would never do – or be associated with – that dirty, back-handed sort of stuff, Dana. Just sayin’…

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  67. Mary Ose, former human resources chief at the NRA, is now living in Hot Springs Village…Arkansas.

    Betcha she has one fine-ass trailer, Sammy!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  68. It took the Democrats 21 days to get Weiner out of the Congress. 21 days of constant and worsening updates of his bizarre actions. 21 days of playing right out of the Democrat textbook:
    1) Feign outrage – how could anyone even suggest such a thing!
    2) Threaten – get in the accuser’s face – So, what are you trying to say, huh?
    3) Deny that it happened. Period.
    4) When faced with the evidence that shoots #3 down, laugh it off as everyone does it, no big deal, small potatoes, etc.
    5) Accuse a shadowy conspiracy group of causing all this to happen. Well it wasn’t one of us – it was a conspiracy by XYZ group.

    Black Sabbath (71f73f)

  69. 6. “Wilson(FOK, friend of Karl), ”

    Sorry for the equivocation, Karl, should be–

    (FOKR, friend of Karl Rove), much more apropos.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  70. Gotta love that the allegations INVIGORATE his campaign. RUN, “Herb,” RUN! Obama 2012!

    Comment by tifosa — 11/2/2011 @ 4:02 pm

    tifosa,

    Please hop! You already have your head up your ass, so that will end your pitiful libturdish postings.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  71. As I’ve said before, I’m a Perry supporter and I don’t know if the Perry campaign had anything to do with this. But is it really such a bad thing that this story came out now? I’d much rather deal with stories like this in October 2011 than in October 2012.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  72. There are more parallels with Cain, by Lehrer:

    He remained in Harvard’s doctoral program for several years, taking time out for his musical career and to work as a researcher at Los Alamos, New Mexico. He served in the Army from 1955 to 1957, working at the National Security Agency. (Lehrer has stated that he invented the Jell-O Shot during this time, as a means of circumventing liquor restrictions.)[6] All of these experiences eventually became fodder for songs, viz. “Fight Fiercely, Harvard”, “The Wild West Is Where I Want To Be” and “It Makes a Fellow Proud to Be a Soldier”. Despite holding a master’s degree in an era when American conscripts often lacked a high school diploma, Lehrer served as an enlisted soldier, achieving the rank of Specialist Four, which he described as being a “corporal without portfolio”.[7] In 1960, Lehrer returned to full-time studies at Harvard, but he never completed his doctoral studies in mathematics.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  73. More Ruffini, via Twitter:

    Campaigns dumping oppo on each other is not a dirty trick. It’s called doing your job.

    If Perry did this that would make me think his campaign was more badass.

    Even so, he seems to think it’s Team Mitt.

    It really only matters whether the allegations (a) are likely true AND (b) more serious in their specifics; OR (c) as common as they were for, say, Clinton.

    Karl (f8f210)

  74. Priceless.

    According to a source who is friends with the Cain campaign, not only is the Rick Perry campaign involved but also the Mayor of Chicago and former Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is likely involved with the sexual harassment accuser attacks. A friend of the Cain campaign believes a National Restaurant Association (NRA) employee out of the Chicago office leaked the story to the Perry campaign via information and influence from Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s office.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  75. Trying to compare this Cain harassment of women to the Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas is very weak. In the Clarence Thomas case there was no settlement. And why did the National Restaurant Association settle with one of the two women that complained to the extent of (as reported) $35,000.00; because there was something to the complaint. These large corporations, not unlike insurance companies, do not pay a dime unless there is reason for the settlement.

    Just remember folks. There’s no refund on your current contributions to the Cain campaign; which may go away quickly.

    AdrianS (accc54)

  76. hah narciso–if that report is true you and I were not nuts to think the leak had a distinct Axelrodian flavor. Eau de Rahm mixed in with chunks of Axelrod in a tasty Chicago political stew!

    elissa (79adbf)

  77. I compare it more to that time when Bill Clinton gave a young jewish girl that worked for him a spooge facial

    it was in the news and everything

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  78. you maybe needed to have cable I can’t remember

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  79. mr feets–I remember that. There was also a rather famous dress involved, too, was there not? Blue as I recall.

    elissa (79adbf)

  80. it was something of a scandal among the unwashed

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  81. What would Jeffress do?

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  82. Meanwhile back at the ranch, remember they are just like the Tea Party;

    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/02/live-from-occupy-oakland-window-smashing-vandalism-and-more/

    narciso (0fc95f)

  83. Jeffress is a h8r so he would probably h8 on this person or that person and then maybe take a break and enjoy a tasty no sugar added klondike bar

    and then after that he would h8 some more cause h8rs gotta h8

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  84. Regarding this comment from Ace, as quoted in Karl’s first update above:

    She considered filing a sexual harassment claim — but did not. So in her own mind this was not at that threshold of seriousness.

    That might be true, but I doubt it’s completely true. The possibility that the complaint might be found insufficiently meritorious is only one of the many downsides faced by every potential complaintant in these sorts of cases. Most complaintants are worried about retaliation, which may include loss of job and/or blackening of reputation. The complaintant puts her* own reputation, credibility, and (possibly) sexual history under a microscope hooked up to the internet. She likely feels her privacy has already been invaded; to make a formal complaint, she will shred what’s left of it. Even those few of us who’ve led morally and ethically blameless lives — who presumably have less to worry about being embarrassed about when scrutinized closely — nevertheless may not welcome the attention that accompanies a high-profile complaint, even if it ultimately leads to public vindication.

    These things are not trivial deterrents — and they are deterrents to both justified and fanciful claimants.

    Whether the complaintant spoke up or kept quiet can be very significant for a number of reasons, and it’s a factor to weigh when assessing the complaintant’s credibility. But I don’t think one can draw the particular single inference that Ace has made — “in her own mind this was not at that threshold of seriousness” — with any confidence, however exactly you choose to define “seriousness” in this situation.

    Beldar (e12341)

  85. *Could be a “him,” but mostly it’s still a “her.”

    Beldar (e12341)

  86. women *love* to file sexual harassment complaints and talk about shoes and say things like “omg I can’t believe you ate carbs without me!” and they all drive Toyota Solaras and they all hate Kathryn Heigl for some reason

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  87. The D’s are screwing up so badly with “Occupy” that Team R can probably easily unseat Obama in 2012. If any team R candidates are left standing by then, that is.

    elissa (79adbf)

  88. To what degree are we judging 1990’s behavior by 2011 standards?

    Kevin M (563f77)

  89. I’m glad you made that comment, Beldar. I don’t understand how Ace presumes to know why she didn’t file the complaint. It’s arrogant and frankly a bit narrow-minded to assume it’s because she believe it wasn’t at that threshold of seriousness. You make the point that there are other very real and possible consequences to making a complaint – and not always positive ones, or deserved.

    She considered filing a sexual harassment claim — but did not. So in her own mind this was not at that threshold of seriousness.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  90. Dana–they’re trying to resusitate Newt’s image. Insty has a link about Newt’s daughter disputing the hospital bed divorce story.

    elissa (79adbf)

  91. @ Kevin M (#93): Your question is a very good one. Certainly as compared to the early 1990s, many more companies and organizations now have formal rules, procedures, and precedents regarding workplace sexual harassment. And as the estimable Daleyrocks pointed out to me in the comments on another thread, some companies are buying “employment practices insurance,” the underwriting for which effectively imposes some standards and practices that only smarter companies (including those with pro-active or experienced legal counsel) had in place in the early 1990s. Many more companies and organizations understand today that, when it comes to laying the best groundwork to defend an organization against such claims, the proverbial ounce of prevention is worth many pounds of cure.

    Nevertheless, the basic law that underlay these corporate and organizational standards and practices was already mostly in place by the early 1990s. And I would expect a national trade organization comprising top officers from successful national, regional, and local companies would have been an early adapter. In other words, I would expect that the National Restaurant Association consciously held itself to the same standards as the most up-to-date of its members, or its most socially conscious analogous organizations.

    I suppose one could argue that how “sexually hostile work environment” varies with context, and that context includes the era. I suppose there are also technological changes that have to be factored in: It would be possible, for example, to sexually pester a subordinate through Facebook now, whereas that particular route of communication wasn’t available in, say, 1994.

    But unless the specific conduct that ends up being alleged against Mr. Cain is something about which mores have changed very dramatically since the 1990s, I doubt that a “Back in those days we didn’t worry about this kind of stuff” defense is going to be persuasive.

    Beldar (e12341)

  92. what is good for goose
    not always good for gander
    or so I’ve been told

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  93. hang on herman cain
    perry camp bringin’ da pain
    dollars to donuts

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  94. dustin is busy
    with opposition research
    and diggin’ up dirt

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  95. Anybody but Mitt, Anybody but Obama,

    ABMABO a palindrome for Obamba! Close enuf.

    They’re of the DEVIL!

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  96. shave and a haircut
    not six bits any more guys
    sorry but it’s true

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  97. who knew primary
    would turn into a bad ass
    reality show

    elissa (79adbf)

  98. got devil’s haircut
    ready for gary gulrud
    and nobody else

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  99. Slick Willie Clinton
    the Devil in the Blue Dress
    now dat’s some spunk funk!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  100. 80. “These large corporations, not unlike insurance companies, do not pay a dime unless there is reason for the settlement.”

    Oh BS. It’s an industry marketing coop. Cain said the settlement was centered on performance issues. Virginia is lousy with shysters.

    A dumbazz hayseed like Cain was ripe for the taking.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  101. Diamond in da back
    sunroof top diggin’ da scene
    Big Daddy Cain lean… woo-hooooooo!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  102. I’m more and more possessed by the conviction that this “2012 presidential election” thing has nothing to do with me at all

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  103. and I’m spent…

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  104. Why do the left stereotypes all jews and blacks?

    And din’t Anita Hill support Clinton?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  105. 62., 63. I keep hoping all this puppyluv Cain feels for Romney is a ploy.

    Then I listen to 5 seconds of some clip of his on Laura or Rush.

    Tar baby?

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  106. “I’m more and more possessed by the conviction that this “2012 presidential election” thing has nothing to do with me at all”

    Mr. Feets – Don’t be that way. You just want Team R to pander pander to you as much as Team D already does is all. Cut out the monster truck prayer rallies, fetus fetishes, dirty meskin hatings and Team R will be your huckleberry just you wait and see.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  107. I’m really beginning to hate the left with their religious stereotypes.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  108. Especially since the left love to project their greed and cheapness on others.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  109. I’m so easy to pander to it’s ridiculous just say you’ll stop the spendings

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  110. And why did the National Restaurant Association settle with one of the two women that complained to the extent of (as reported) $35,000.00; because there was something to the complaint. These large corporations, not unlike insurance companies, do not pay a dime unless there is reason for the settlement.

    And you know this how?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  111. it was something of a scandal among the unwashed

    Ew!

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  112. Newt’s daughter disputing the hospital bed divorce story.

    I’m puzzled by that; didn’t she say exactly the same thing years ago? I didn’t see anything new in today’s article.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  113. “I’m puzzled by that; didn’t she say exactly the same thing years ago? I didn’t see anything new in today’s article.”

    Milhouse – You are entirely correct.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  114. Hey did you hear Cain and Muammar Qaddaffi along with Jorg Haider torutred kitties?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  115. Ya know, if Newt had that Liberal chimera liposucked from his abdomen and beauteox maybe, just maybe,..

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  116. No she said it May, you often have to cite the truth a few times, specially when it’s been obscured
    for 16 years.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  117. ‘Missed it, by that much’

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/45145230

    narciso (0fc95f)

  118. I see that no one has touched upon the obvious. Because of memes that have existed in American culture for decades; any white female employee that didn’t, or doesn’t, use the treat of “sexual harassment” charges against a black male superior, is probably too stupid to have the job. Conversely, any black male superior who doesn’t recognize that he is uniquely vulnerable to those types of charges is also too stupid to have the job.

    Mike Giles (1d42bb)

  119. No, the obvious is we have a whole set of amorphous
    allegation, that one can ‘t confront because of the surprisingly permiable NDA, However, I figure Joel
    Bennett will give the game away, by Friday, and do
    the “Ginsburg dance’ on the Sunday Shows.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  120. Joel is a frightfully whorish little lawmonkey. He must not have a lot going on.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  121. Curt Anderson was just on the Fox News channel (approximately 11:30 EDT) and Mark Bloch will be with Megyn Kelly (?) in the 1PM to 2 PM hour.

    He said he didn’t hear any such thing from Herman Cain, and that, strange as it may sound he really likes Herman Cain, but (in answer to a question) he had to go on the air.

    He said he didn’t leak it. He also said something to the effect that it would be bad character to disclose something he was told in confidence and he doesn’t do that.

    And one last thing: reporters have Carte blanche to reveal anything he told them.

    He quoted advice that I think he said was from his father: When in doubt, tell the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4)

  122. Comment by ColonelHaiku — 11/2/2011 @ 5:46 pm

    SZF: Mary Ose, former human resources chief at the NRA, is now living in Hot Springs Village…Arkansas.

    Betcha she has one fine-ass trailer, Sammy!

    Hot Springs Village is the largest gated community in the United States. Pop. 2010: 12,807. It does include an RV park.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Springs_Village,_Arkansas

    Not to be confused with Bill Clinton’s home town of Hot Springs Arkansas, population about 35,000.

    http://www.talkbusiness.net/article/ARKANSAS-TIES-IN-THE-HERMAN-CAIN-HARASSMENT-STORY/2724/

    There is also a Hot Springs Village resident who is suddenly in the middle of the Cain story. Mary Ose moved to Hot Springs Village after retiring from the National Restaurant Association’s human resource department.

    According to Martin, her interviews with him contradict claims Cain made today [Monday, Oct. 31] that an internal investigation cleared him of any wrongdoing. Ose previously stated that she was unfamilar [sic] with any compliants. [sic]

    Martin is Jonathan Martin of Politico. He interviewed her, but it seems like nobody else has been able to interview her since the story broke.

    This is Politico Oct 31:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67259.html

    Herman Cain said in his speech today that the National Restaurant Association’s general counsel and the human resources department conducted an investigation into allegations about his conduct in the late-90s.

    But the head of the association’s human resources department at the time said in an interview with POLITICO last week that she was unfamiliar with any complaints from female employees about Cain.

    “No, I do not,” said Mary Ose, the former human resources chief, when asked if she was aware of allegations about Cain’s behavior.

    When pressed, Ose, now retired and living in Arkansas, said she never heard any hint of a problem with Cain and female association employees.

    “No, none,” she said.

    But Cain said flatly in his National Press Club speech today that Ose’s department today actually conducted the probe into his conduct.

    “I recused myself and allowed my general counsel and my human resource officer to deal with the situation and it was concluded after a thorough investigation that it had no basis,” the former association CEO said.

    Reached at her home today following Cain’s speech, Ose was told of what the GOP presidential hopeful had said about her and was asked about the contradiction.

    “He did not say that,” she insisted.

    Read the direct quote from Cain, Ose responded: “You and I have talked and I have nothing to say.”

    She then hung up.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67259.html#ixzz1cf19i87E

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4)

  123. If these reports that she did have unwanted sex with Cain, but either way this is really really bad for him and her

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  124. Aggressive racism… Bring the black man down before he gets the chance to be the first black President of this great nation… oh wait…

    The Emperor (53d609)

  125. EPWJ – Can you point to the word assault or term “unwanted sex” in the article you linked? No, you can’t.

    As usual, you exaggerate or make crap up.

    From an amorphous, no details story by Pollutico, other sources are no diligently working to fill in gaps days later.

    Are you going to now claim you had knowledge of this all along as you did several nights ago?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  126. Interestingly, that they Art Chance, the Alaskan counterpart to ‘Otto’ defending Cain, Right about
    now, the Enquirer has higher standards, than 3/4 of the media.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  127. Eric PW is really really really really getting off on this story. His imagination and prurient interest in the details is clear. It’s getting downright bizarre if you ask me.

    elissa (7da803)

  128. elissa – EPWJ is a muckraker and a panty sniffer.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  129. @Leroy..
    that is just wrong… on all human levels.. Lmao!!

    The Emperor (c98127)

  130. You know the interminable Wiener archipelago of stories don’t seem that bad in comparison anymore.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  131. Elissa

    Just relaying the comments st PJ Media

    Just in – Other accuser got 45000

    If this is true its getting worse

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  132. narciso–a salacious story is always helped along by pictures! especially now that we have the internets.

    elissa (7da803)

  133. I heard Hugo Chavez the commie pinko was harrassed by Herman Cain.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  134. Irresponsible “reporting” by EPWJ?

    This must be a day that ends in “y”.

    Icy (8b7231)

  135. There were all sorts of rumors going around about John Edwards for months, but they were too thinly sourced for use against a Democrat… by which I mean you couldn’t actually see the baby’s face in the photo, so it could have been a rubber doll he was beaming at his arms at 3AM in a hotel room. You can never be too careful.

    sherlock (639e01)

  136. This country is facing such existential problems that I really don’t care if the allegations are true. We need someone who knows enough about economics to prevent the Hellinization of America. If that person is creep, I. Don’t. Care.

    098yhkugytr98ik (fe9933)

  137. The New York Times had an article in the Week in Review section July 28, 1996 speculating about possible Vice Presidential nominees for Bob Dole:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/28/weekinreview/looking-for-no-2-try-an-unknown-catholic-female-governor.html?scp=4&sq=%22herman+cain%22+clinton&st=nyt

    Mr. Dole’s advisers have taken to throwing out some essentially unknown (and arguably less-than-qualified) candidates, if only to stir the pot a little.

    How many people outside California and Dole headquarters have heard of Matt Fong, the California State Treasurer? He is the nation’s highest-ranking elected Chinese-American, and might put California into play for Mr. Dole.

    Or what about Herman Cain, the charismatic president of Godfather’s Pizza in Omaha, who caught Mr. Dole’s advisers’ eyes by challenging President Clinton on his health care plan at a televised town meeting? Mr. Cain is also black, which would bring to two — Gen. Colin F. Powell being the other — the number of African-Americans whom Mr. Dole might claim he considered.

    Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4)

  138. Maybe the earliest New York Times article about Herman Cai, May 5, 1989

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/05/business/the-media-business-advertising-the-godfather-of-godfather-s.html?scp=2&sq=%22herman+cain%22+&st=nyt

    THE MEDIA BUSINESS: ADVERTISING; The Godfather Of Godfather’s

    By Randall Rothenberg

    Colleagues and franchise owners persuaded Mr. Cain to appear in the ads, he said, ”because of my jovial personality.” Although Mr. Cain acknowledged that he is a ”ham,” he said he did not appear in the ads to see himself on television or to take his place alongside Lee Iacocca and Victor Kiam in the pantheon of executive spokesmen. ”My ego was probably filled to the brim already,” he said.

    Instead, Mr. Cain said, ”we were looking for continuity in our ads, and we saw a spokesperson as the vehicle for that….”

    Sammy Finkelman (3a0ae4)


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