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Christie 2012? Signs Point To Yes!

Filed under: 2012 Election,Humor — Karl @ 7:55 am

[Posted by Karl]

Aides to New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie say he hasn’t budged from his months-long insistence that he won’t enter the presidential fray. Nothing has changed in Christie’s thinking. However, Christie’s potential candidacy has been an increasingly fevered fantasy of a certain cadre of some media and business elites — mostly based in New York, with a smattering of California technology and entertainment players — since last summer.  These elites do not take no for an answer. Now, relying on an unusual source, they have reason to hope Christie will change his mind.

The Magic 8-Ball, manufactured by Mattel, contains a 20-sided die floating in a combination of alcohol and dissolved dark blue dye.  It is to be used for entertainment purposes only, says Mattel spokesman Matt Mason.  Yet some believe the device can foretell the future.

A well-placed Republican source who found the New Jersey Governor’s Office phone number on the Internet disclosed the early answers were not encouraging, but have shifted in recent days. “When I first shook the Magic 8-Ball, it kept coming up ‘Don’t Count On It’ and ‘My Sources Say No.’  But after 15 to 20 shakes, I got ‘Ask Again Later.’ So I kept trying, and got ‘Outlook Good.’ ” 

“I believe he is really considering it,” one fundraiser told Patterico (institutionally, by which I mean me).  At least one DC-based blogger is similarly confident: “I’ve had the candles burning continuously at the handmade Christie shrine in my back closet for at least a week now. Something has to happen.”

The sources contacting me for this exclusive stressed the importance of maintaining their anonymity. “The whole effort falls apart if we go public,” one source insisted. “It is simply impossible to create the image of pressure on Christie if the same four names turn up in story after story about him announcing next week that never come true.”


186 Responses to “Christie 2012? Signs Point To Yes!”

  1. The obligatory notification comment.

    Karl (37b303)

  2. No thanks but hey i will vote for him.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  3. I don’t appreciate him saying Gorebull warming is caused by man and the polar bear population will go extinct by 2039.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  4. And in the first debate, Christie will be asked about gun control and piss off half the party, just like Perry did with immigration and Gingrich did with the Ryan plan. And we’ll be back with The Chameleon(tm) as frontrunner.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  5. could’ve been so beautiful could’ve been so right

    we’ll never know what could’ve been on a cold and lonely night

    with Chris Christie

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  6. Hilarious Karl

    SPQR (c02eea)

  7. Love the guy, but he’d have to have a great VP (Rubio? Cain?) because he appears to be one slice of pizza away from a massive coronary.

    Old Coot (d59d92)

  8. This is hilarious. Who’s more anxious about the 2012 election — Beltway Democrats or Beltway Republicans? It’s hard to tell at this point.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  9. The NY protesters are protesting government mismanagement?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  10. Old Coot

    I wish him only the best, I admire him alot and think in 8 years he will be a top contender for president and he will have truely won over the hearts and minds of all the liberal east by then as they will see that he really cares about everyone

    Not everyone however is in love with the guy and his stances:

    But changing Jersey isnt a 24 month task.

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  11. nd who knows who this “” site is – it could be the teachers union given what I know about jersey

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  12. DRJ

    I just think that 2 things scare republicans – Obama and Oromna

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  13. How can the left justify a coyote attack on anyone?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  14. I will hold my nose and vote for shat romney.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  15. Karl, (you to Duh)

    Read this – I’m having trouble believing that newsweek would have such access to behind the scenes at fox news

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  16. EPWJ,

    I read it. A lot on anonymice in that one also, but at least specific enough that Ailes can deny the quotes attributed to him.

    Karl (37b303)

  17. ::sigh::

    someone out there just likes making the GOP feel awful about their candidates.

    “oh, I am so behind XXX as a candidate, but I sure do wish that ChristieRubioRyan were running!”

    Reminds me of 2004, some Dem made a website called “”. I remember thinking how great it was to see the party so fired up for their chosen guy.

    Book (c7b6c5)

  18. No to Christie, he is an east coast Republican… That means he may be conservative on fiscal matters but he is liberal on everything else, like climate cr@p, gun laws, social issues, etc. So, NO WAY! Although, he would pull support from Romney thus allowing the chance for a more conservative candidate to prevail in the primaries!

    Texas Mom 2012 (cee89f)

  19. Samuel Beckett call your office.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. O/T-But why should Israel give back their territory they won in 67?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  21. “as the Tea Party’s popularity fades, is edging back toward the mainstream.”

    Total rotting waste pond. Fox reads polls too and 6 mo. back Gallup–right now the gold standard–said 2/3 of its viewers were GOP regulars.

    Rasmussen, a regular, has been padding Dimmis & leaners 5% for just as long, saying something like we got it off our chest last Nov.

    Fox and the GOP: Token opposition.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  22. Yes, yes it’s showing the same tone depth strategy that has NewsCorp in the docket, after having tried
    to curry favor with Brown and now linguini spined

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  23. We still need him in New Jersey to straighten out the state, so I don’t want to see him run for the presidency.

    However, it would be nice to hear a Republican candidate borrow from his campaign and promise that he/she will “turn Washington, DC upside down.”

    NJ Mark (ebc589)

  24. Someone not only believes their own hype, but also the criticisms of candidates as extreme.

    Liberal Republicans will LOSE to Downgrade because voters won’t see a clear difference.

    Hawkins (1fc204)

  25. Karl, that is awesome. Love it! LOL~!

    Timesdisliker (a551e5)

  26. As the tea partys popularity fades

    Its official Liberalism is a more fatal disease than diarrhea.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  27. Karl has a wonderful, ironic sense of humor! Just a great post to start a Monday morning.

    elissa (3a8545)

  28. Karl, Dr. Lucy has penciled you in for an entire two-week session – bring lunch money.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  29. Speaking of Magic 8 Balls—- I’ve wondered from time to time if Doh Biden uses a magic 8 ball to decide what comment to post. Care to confirm or deny, Mr. Doh? 🙂

    elissa (3a8545)

  30. Ailes and News Corp have an interest in promoting the idea that it’s pragmatic to shift Fox News to the left. That sounds a lot better than admitting they want to avoid U.S. investigations following the British News of the World scandal.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  31. Yes, but they’ve been trending that way, long before
    the NOTW scandal really came to light.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  32. Comment by DRJ — 9/26/2011 @ 10:04 am

    It must have started to get lonely standing there in the center-left with no one to talk to?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  33. On 9-11-2012 we should have a moment of silence for the 9-11 victims[Some of which were jews.]

    DohBiden (d54602)

  34. I think with #33, DohBiden gave a definitive answer to elissa’s question in #29.

    Icy Texan (d29ee3)

  35. ian,

    I agree Ailes had reasons to shift Fox News’ coverage and opinion to the left after Obama was elected and started demonizing Fox News. This was even more true after the Giffords’ shooting. But my point is that Eric’s link doesn’t hurt Ailes because it makes the shift look like a measured and reasonable business decision rather than cynical self-interest.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  36. Chris Christie is not going to run for President.

    He has said he doesn’t think he is ready (translation: qualified) to be President, and in spite of allowing people to flatter him and maybe saying more or less “All right, I’ll let you try to change my mind” he is almost certainly not going to do it, unless they can maybe argue to him everybody else would be a worse disaster.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  37. Chris Christie is being prodded into running for Presdident mostly by some Republican donors from the northeast who care most about the economy and taxes, and don’t want a candidate with the by-now standard Republican poisition on immigration, and Christie fits the bill:

    Discussed here:

    Sarah Palin also had a similar position on immigration in 2008, and maybe still does:

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  38. Everybody is trying to avoid confronting the sophistry. It’s a little like socialism – socialistic ideas created great trouble for conservatives, including Winston Churchill, regardless of what was actually hapepning, until people learned how to argue against this on principle. Of course in that case it put conservatives on the defensive among the whole population, here this is only putting compassionate conservatives on the defensive.

    It is not hurting the Democratic Party at all.

    Every once in a while a sophistry catches hold of a lot of people and it gives a lot of trouble until it’s answered.

    Trying to redefine the meaning of the word amnesty is not going to do anyone any good.

    Amnesty means anything at all that will give any legal advantage whatsoever to someone who broke the law (or whose parents broke the law) to get into the United States as compared to someone who never did so.

    Greatly expanding legal immigration could pretty make the problem go away, but there’s a lot of opposition to that.

    So long as people will not go above severely limited legal immigration levels of well under 1% a year, someone is going to have to make the case for amnesty, whether or not the law is enforced, whether or not the border is controlled, although he can argue that the law ought to be enforced.

    Increased legal immigration, and/or amnesty, ought not to be held hostage to more enforcement.

    The amnesty has to be not just for those people already here but for those who will come in the future. A one-time amnesty won’t fly, thanks to some good lobbying. It’s got to be a recurring amnesty. That can pass. (The Dream Act, is, of course, a limited recurring amnesty as it applies also to those people not yet in the United States of of the date of passage. The Dream Act came close to passage. If it had been proposed to have a cutoff date, it probably wouild have had a harder time)

    Amnesty can come in many forms. Say, anyone that has been in the United States for seven years, as serfs escapinbg the manor had in medieval England, or maybe any time the estimated illegal population reaches a certain limit. You can do it a variety of ways but until that case is made this will be an albatross around the head Republican Party. Maybe I should say a noose.

    There are some people who actually want to make illegal people already citizens!! That will certainly turn out the vote. For the Democratic Party.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  39. Two observations:

    If Chris Christie can’t manage his own waste-line what in hell makes people think he can manage the Oval Office?

    FOX NEWS isn’t an ideologically driven enterprise, it’s a for-profit enterprise which found initial economic success filling an unoccupied niche.

    Now, FOX is expanding beyond it’s well secured home turf in competition with other news organizations for a broader segment of viewers by offering programing designed to attract moderates.

    ropelight (a02388)

  40. It’s watering down it’s brand, in keeping with ‘O’Sullivan’s law’

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  41. We will be like a combo of Argentina Cuba and N.Korea if maobama isn’t stopped.

    Lefty rebuttal-B-but he stopped the scourge of Santo Trafficante JR.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  42. DRJ

    I just didnt believe the article was accurate, I have no way of measuring Fox news – I mostly listen to the Fox radio which is alot of the shows but without the body language.

    I was just not believing that a lefty rag like Newsweek could be remotely capable of becoming an intimate confidant to a seasoned veteran and ompetitor like Ailes

    Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression

    There are many anchors who I think have little credibility that are constantly on Fox like Shepard Smith, Greta, but I have seen the departure of most of the liberals who pretend to be conservative like those two.

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  43. I’ll vote for Christie — if Obama is the only other choice. Christie is another NE liberal RINO. Supports the hoax known as global warming. Shows signs of being a gun-grabber and opposed to Americans’ God-given 2nd Amendment rights. Is sharia-compliant in judicial appointments. Supports the Al Qaeda victory monument at Ground Zero.

    No thanks. More proof that the Cocktail Party GOP does not want a conservative choice to Obama.

    The Underground Conservative (07cfb9)

  44. Karl

    Maybe the Christy people need to shake that 8 ball again the new “Fox” annointed front runner just jumped the shark – in record time

    broke with House Republicans on Monday and urged Congress to fund the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s disaster-relief program now, regardless of whether they can tie budget offsets to the bill.
    “I would make sure that FEMA got the money it needed, and if I had to go find the offsets later, go find it later. Stop playing with people’s tragedies — these are real people we’re talking about,” Cain said on CNN.

    Wonder why he didnt say things like that at the Straw Poll – what a difference a day makes

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  45. Cain is entitled to his opinion.

    There’s nothing wrong with his point about disaster relief aside from too much optimism that the cuts will ever be found in the future.

    What’s the E in FEMA stand for?

    The answer hold a clue as to how reasonable Cain is being (I think very reasonable).

    It’s amusing to me that Eric appears to be a Perry supporter, but seems so hostile towards anyone similar to Perry. This is a position I can easily see Perry also taking. Palin and Perry have massive ideological overlap.

    There’s room in the tent for Cain and other very conservative people who aren’t in lockstep on all issues.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  46. Perry/Christie 2012.

    Good rather than perfect.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  47. Dustin

    Cain said that a we are a nation of crisis’ to thunderous applause, very next day declares a crisis and says damn the budget full overspend ahead…

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  48. In practical terms, I agree, Dustin, because the Congress drops the ball, has the lunch taken from them’ in any one of these deals. and yet it insists ‘it’s just a fleshwound’ the last two budget deals,
    extorted with the families of soldiers and social
    security recipients are exhibit #1 and #2. Is there
    a better way to put the fact, that some waste can spared from a 3.6 trillion dollar budget.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  49. Thought I heard Rush say this morning that FEMA had turned over a few more couch-cushions and found that they have enough money to fund on-going efforts for several more months?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  50. Republicans are framing the bill incorrectly. They need to point out that Democrats in the “do nothing” Senate are holding it hostage to their green jobs fantasies and should just pass it to get aid to Americans in need.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  51. Drew, I think that’s right. I’m just talking about the sheer principle of the matter. We shouldn’t allow budget breaking nonsense unless it’s an emergency.

    Obviously the dems take advantage of this kind of thing, and it’s hard to believe they would ‘find the money’ later.

    If we had a better class of leadership, the democrats would have the heart Cain does, and the money would be found quickly.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  52. ian

    fema has billions upon billions that were earmarked for claims that havent been encumbered or released, (declared disasters for the last few years)

    This funding is not directly for these current disasters last month but for the entire several years worth of expected claims that they are forcasting

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  53. The Dim-bulb of Searchlight has to walk a very fine line due to the high number of his caucus that must face the voters next year.
    Obama would have a very tough time trying to put a fine edge on his “do nothing” charge that would smear the House, but not the Senate where the true roadblocks need to be surmounted.
    Harry has to support the Admin, but can’t let his charges vote on things that will be election issues used against them.
    Eventually, President Millstone will rail against the Do Nothing Congress, and the voters will trust the Congress (both side of The Hill) less and less, and incumbents will have a more difficult time convincing the folks back home that they deserve their support – this is especialy difficult for Dem Sen’s from “Red” states who will have a mighty thin list of attainments to point to as reason for their reelection.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  54. …and speaking of unspent, allocated funds;
    just how much of ARRA still remains unspent, and to what ends is it allocated?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  55. funny.

    you might want to think about using wording similar to Politico’s in your own sentences, even if you cite Politico (without quoting, though). I don’t like reading something and feeling like I’ve read the same words before. “Smattering of..etc” gave me deja vu.

    koam @wittier (e99558)

  56. If you love the IPCC.
    If you’re in love with carbon taxes.
    If you want gasoline to disappear.
    If you think coal needs to be shuttered.
    If you want to toss out air conditioning.
    If you want to freeze in the winter.
    If you want to bicycle every where.
    If you want to kill all the birds with windmills.

    Then go out and Cheer for Christie.


    cedarhill (b57901)

  57. No, no, no to Christie. So he gives a good speech – and talks tough to the teachers’ union – great. But what are his positions on foreign policy, cap & tax, climate change, immigration, etc? And, very importantly – the rise of Islamofascism?

    The elitist neo-con pundits just love Christie – but never do they say anything specific about his policies.

    He was a supporter of the Ground Zero mosque. Read how he publicly supported a former member of Hamas, set to be deported (by Obama’s admin!), at a mosque in Passaic County, where this man was the imam:

    We are living in dangerous times – we need someone with the gravitas who “gets it” – not just someone who is “fiscally conservative”.

    Miranda (4104db)

  58. Eric,

    I was commenting on the article you linked, not your comment, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Ailes had confidantes in the liberal media. He’s been a national political media consultant for a long time. I doubt the only people he befriends are conservatives.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  59. They’re coming to take Christie away ha ha he he ho ho to the White House — NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    Napoleon XIII (6713b4)

  60. cedarhill–that’s a ridiculous and fantastical view of Christie and his positions. There are plenty of things CC has said which deserve scrutiny and raise questions about his conservatism. But it does no one any good to exaggerate and lie as you did in your 11:52 post.

    The commenters here recognize and appreciate insight–and hate BS which insults their intelligence.

    elissa (3a8545)

  61. Allegedly according a recent Politico piece, McGuinness and Ailes have been friends for about
    40 years, now I don’t know if that is like the coyote and the sheep dog type professsional courtesy.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  62. more FEMA…

    “Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee said Sunday that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has “manufactured a crisis all week” over disaster relief aid…”
    Read more:

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  63. Another Drew, Ian

    I would be curious what cash the govt agencies have on hand?

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  64. Karl is having a small wry smile somewhere…

    It looks like voters will be more patient with Perry than perhaps some of the pundits have been.

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  65. What cash?
    They have spending authority, but never “cash”.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  66. In other words cedarhill struck a nerve.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  67. O/T-The cops went too far in the wall street protest because the anti-capitalist left says so.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  68. AD


    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  69. Big mistake by Christie.

    Mouth of a conservative but heart of a moderate.

    My Bowels Hurt (8d652e)

  70. koam,

    I did link the Politico piece in question. Part of the joke is that Politico used the phrase “inreasingly fevered fantasy” in a story pretending there was something to it.


    A bit of a wry smile, although it takes a while for things to sink in. Perry may yet sink a couple of points. We’ll see.

    Karl (f07e38)

  71. In other words cedarhill struck a nerve.

    Comment by DohBiden — 9/26/2011 @ 1:06 pm

    Of course he did.

    Elissa’s defending a guy who has been fighting the good fight for reform in NJ. I differ with him on a host of issues, but as far as basic fiscal conservatism goes, Christie is really making it happen in NJ. Folks of like mind want to have his considerable back.

    RINO status is debatable. I think NJ is well served to have this guy as governor, and that we can do better for a presidential candidate.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  72. Other than what’s in the “petty cash” drawer.
    Keeping a safe full of Ben’s went out of style when they opened the safe in the office of Maurice Stans.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6ee779)

  73. I admit I was surprised at the CNN poll, Karl, despite your record of being right.

    It’s as though the GOP was wised up and isn’t worried about the flash and pizzazz so much as a credible record.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  74. BTW, slightly sad no one searched for my one named source.

    Karl (f07e38)

  75. ==cedarhill struck a nerve==

    Yes. I don’t know whether this particular individual is from the leftist fever swamps here only to stir things up, or if it is someone from the right who has lost perspective and sanity. But either way, when cedarhill claims a sitting team R governor wants to toss out air conditioning and force people to freeze in winter and to bicycle everywhere, you can bet I’m going to call him/her out on its idiocy.

    elissa (3a8545)

  76. Don’t get me wrong Cedarhill is an idiot so I guess his idiocy struck a nerve……………………..I should have cleared it up better.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  77. I think in 8 years Christie will be a powerful candidate

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  78. I really hate to say this but as being portly myself a lot of potential associates say to my colleagues subtly that if I’m lacking the self-discipline to defer obvious future health issues then maybe I don’t have the discipline, conviction or energy to complete my work which is BS but they do believe this. We’ll see but this will be an ugly issue if indeed Mr. Christie decides to run. We elected a smoker, no? Regardless his stance on climate and immigration will defer my vote.

    Bob Rocha (4160d2)

  79. I think in 8 years Chris Christie will be on peoples 40 sexiest man alive.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  80. Yes America is in poverty if we’re in poverty i’d love to see economic prosperity.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  81. Doh

    I dont know JD’s mountain biking, dustins blasting away with shotguns, Daley’s been pounding away at keyboards

    Patterico is thinking about a fundraiser by having a


    For 5 dollars you can have one with pictures

    For 10 dollars you can have one with shirtless pictures

    And for TWENTY DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    No pictures

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  82. They were protesting Wall Street Greed[in other words Wall Street criticized Obama].

    DohBiden (d54602)

  83. Men of patterico calendar-Put Patterico and Rachel Mancow in there.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  84. Love the mis and mal informed.
    Go read this. It’s his latest and greatest 2011.

    Go to England. There’s reasons they all wear coats indoors,even in Spring. If you’re jumping up and down with what Obama’s done to gasoline prices (doubled since he took office), you’ll be simply thrilled to death with him

    Energy is THE issue.
    Try to live today with only a fraction of what you currently use. Try rolling blackouts turning to complete blackouts.
    Energy is the modern world. Cheap energy is properity. Global warmers like Christie are dangerous fools.

    cedarhill (b57901)

  85. Exactly but you didn’t need to resort to hyperbole.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  86. cedarhill, I agree that global warmers (love the term) are foolish at this point. They should already be eating crow.

    But while that’s true, I don’t think every global warmist is a statist nutcase wanting to control us and ban the things that make our lives pleasant. I think some of these people are genuinely misguided and will see reason, because they are generally reasonable people. Anyway, Gov Christie is not going to do the things you suggested.

    dustins blasting away with shotgun

    I’m no tough guy. Like I said, it’s my wife who is secure and well armed. Every time I’ve worried about the neighborhood I’m in, I simply moved.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  87. I dont mountain bike, epwj.

    JD (318f81)

  88. The gun fanatic left would have no problem ordering a hit on Chris Christie just like they attempted to Reagan.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  89. attempted to on reagan*

    DohBiden (d54602)

  90. Forget Christie, He’s even worse than Romney.

    If the GOP runs him, I’m definitely voting 3rd Party.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  91. Dustin, JD

    It was unintended commentary to have a moment of humor

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  92. I will hold my nose and vote for this pro-sharia dhimmi.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  93. It was unintended commentary to have a moment of humor

    I know. I just don’t want people to think I’m some kind of internet tough guy ever time I talk about guns. I love guns and marksmanship, but I probably look like John Kerry on that hunting trip.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  94. Well, it was inaccurate and not funny.

    JD (318f81)

  95. Well, it was inaccurate and not funny.
    Comment by JD — 9/26/2011 @ 2:58 pm

    The streak remains unbroken.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  96. Reagan’s left-wing political enemies weren’t behind the attempt on his life. That bit of dirty business was organized by enemies much closer to home by guys who’d already been down that road a time or two. Reagan was extraordinarily fortunate to survive.

    ropelight (a02388)

  97. Unintended commentary? WTF is that?!

    JD (7c90f3)

  98. the Manson family were ultra-left hippies.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  99. Any warmist “action” makes energy expensive. Makes no difference if they’re pure at heart ala Mother Teresa. It’s the broken window example. Google it.

    We should be exporting energy, energy technology and manufacturing fuels. The goal should be gasoline at 25 cents/gallon. Energy is:
    – heating,
    – cooling,
    – cooking,
    – lighting,
    – transportation,
    – communication,
    – farming,
    – industry,
    – healthcare,
    – iPads,
    – and just about anything else you care to mention.

    Imagine if we stopped buying Chavez oil, told the Middle East folks no more petro-dollars, and sold Japan all the energy they need for a fraction of what they’re paying for it today. We could if not for the likes of Christie and the warmest.

    Christie is on the very, very wrong side of energy and is simply not qualified to lead the nation in this century. By his support of this fraud, he’s telling you your standard of living is going nowhere but down and will be hugely expensive at that. Call him the misery candidate.

    cedarhill (b57901)

  100. Unintended commentary is like jumbo shrimp. Oxymoron.

    But I have long believed that EPWJ didn’t think carefully about what he posted. I suspect that is what he meant.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  101. Christie 2012? Signs Point To Yes Along the Kristoland Parkway in Desperation City.

    There. Fixed that for ‘ya.

    Except Christie has said no. Repeatedly. Emphatically. Sometimes angrily. Always bluntly. No means no.

    The real question is why, as the door appears to be wide open. He has publicly asserted that he is not prepared for the gig and has no desire for the job. Could be clever cover for some blemish from a Northeastern governor that can’t be bulldozed ‘n buried in the Pinelands and won’t pass the conservative purity test in this cycle– or just smart positioning for 2016.

    VP is another matter, but his personality isn’t one to be muted by the role of second banana, is it.

    He’s a one-act guy whose spit-in-your-face-charm, (if not red meat, tea party appeal) is blunt, pissy talk to pols and voters alike. That only goes so far. And the bite of his ‘no means no’ mantre would start to lose its sting with a well documented flip-flop at the beginning. Plenty of video in his own words to deflate his balloon, too.

    Americans aren’t partial to angry, dour presidential candidates. Witness Dole. Reagan was fatherly firm and beamed with optimism, not vitriol. Of course, conservatives may now just rate ‘opportunism’ high as a job qualification for president- which is what Mr. Ospocka was accused of when he ran.

    Christie for President in 2012? Frageddaboudit. =ba-thumpa= What was that? The sound of Rick ‘he died with his boots on’ Perry getting tossed under the bus– already.

    It’s Romney’s turn. Romney/Rubio 2012. ‘Yeah, that’s the ticket,’ as Jon Lovitz would quip.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  102. “The streak remains unbroken.”

    Stashiu3 – I was tempted to comment on what EPWJ has been pounding, but since this is a family blog I did not want to anger the censors.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  103. Guess who said this?

    “Mankind, is it responsible for global warming? Well I’ll tell you something. I have seen evidence on both sides of it. I’m skeptical — I’m skeptical. And you know, I think at the at the end of this, I think we’re going to need more science to prove something one way or the other. But you know – cause I’ve seen arguments on both sides of it that at times – like I’ll watch something about man made global warming, and I go wow, that’s fairly convincing. And then I’ll go out and watch the other side of the argument, and I go huh, that’s fairly convincing too. So, I go to be honest with you, I don’t know. And that’s probably one of the reason’s why I became a lawyer, and not a doctor, or an engineer, or a scientist, because I can’t figure this stuff out. But I would say at this point, that has to be proven, and I’m a little skeptical about it. Thank you.”

    Why yes. it was the ol’ devil himself, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey speaking on 11-10-2011.

    His spokesman followed up with this statement:
    “The Governor believes the effects of global warming obviously can be damaging to the earth, which is why we have to continue to monitor its impact and get further scientific evidence.”

    The people at Huffpo found his worship at the alter of global warming to be alarmingly thin– and they offered the following sentence as proof of that in their article excoriating him:

    Last spring, Christie took the state’s entire allocation for its global warming fund ($65 million) to help close its budget deficit

    elissa (3a8545)

  104. sorry–obviously I meant to type the date as 10-11-2010.

    elissa (3a8545)

  105. “Why yes. it was the ol’ devil himself, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey speaking on 11-10-2011.”

    Holy cow! We heard him say it…before he ever said it!!!.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  106. Karl:

    BTW, slightly sad no one searched for my one named source.

    You mean you wanted us to use your Magic 8-Ball link? No wonder I’m so confused. I used my personal Magic 8-Ball and it told me to “Concentrate and ask again.”

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  107. DCSCA, you win the “How Can I Prove I Didn’t Pay Attention to the Original Post” contest.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  108. Effective September 22, 2011, Sonali De Rycker, age 38, and Chelsea Clinton, age 31, were elected to the Board of Directors of IAC/InterActiveCorp.

    Obviously, she brings a wealth of personal knowledge.

    A. Weiner (d1c681)

  109. I confess reading “…fevered fantasy…” involving Chris Christie made me giggle.

    Last spring, Christie took the state’s entire allocation for its global warming fund ($65 million) to help close its budget deficit

    How can we not keep hoping, wishing, and checking the Magic 8 Ball 12 times a day to see *when* not if, he jumps in. Pragmatic, fearless, and taking the bull by the horns when necessary… He’s got the buy-in.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  110. I’d vote for Chris Christie against Obama (I’d vote for Agatha Christie against Obama) but I don’t get the hype about the guy. Yes, he is awesome on the NJ Budget and in Youtube clips but is there any evidence he has shown any leadership (or knowledge, really) on any other issue? Yes, spending is THE ISSUE but I just don’t see Christie as anything but a superhero in his own back yard who may or may not be able to step up his game on a national stage.

    Also I’m not supporting Palin but the comments he made about her (basically that she was unqualified) weren’t just a violation of Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment, they were stupid and pointless.

    Go to war with the Candidates that you have, not the ones you wish existed somewhere despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  111. Christie voluntarily acknowledged that he wasn’t ready for national office. Any attempt to walk that admission back now will be seen as proof the man can’t be taken at his word.

    And, the media and Christie’s political opponents will never let him or anyone else forget it. It’s the kiss of death.

    ropelight (a02388)

  112. We elected a smoker, no?

    I’m willing to bet most voters didn’t know about that. Most probably still don’t.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  113. Leftys accusing us of ad hominem is ironic.

    Leftys who support gay marriage are the ones responsible for preists molesting children and are now stereotyping catholics.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  114. I think I’ll support Cain, he’ll have a great campaign slogan, “A pizza in every box!” (Instead of “A chicken in every pot”… sure, it is in total contrast with what he stands for, but it’s catchy)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  115. What Kaisersoze said ….

    I don’t understand either the thrill-up-the-leg that so-called conservatives get from Christie. Really I expected more from Coulter – it’s like she put her brain on a shelf, while she was swooning over a RINO version of Dear Leader. Hitler was quite the speaker, I’ve heard – charismatic, forceful, inspiring, in-your-face attitude – yes, I said it.

    It’s about the substance folks – not just the form & the appearance.

    More on Christie’s pandering to the Muslim vote in New Jersey:

    Miranda (4104db)

  116. Comment by MD in Philly — 9/26/2011 @ 8:36 pm

    How about:
    Fixing the economy in 30-minutes or your taxes back!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ade72a)

  117. Miranda,

    I like Christie as a VP choice because he’s articulate and not easily intimidated. It’s a shame those qualities are so important but as long as the media is liberal and committed to Obama, they are.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  118. That would present a dilemma for PE union voters in NJ:
    Vote for (GOP)/Christie for Pres/VP to get rid of him, or stick with the Dem and be stuck with Christie for two more years.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ade72a)

  119. Christie’s brother re-affirms that Gov. CC is not going to enter the presidential race. But he’s been very busy helping the party.

    On Monday night Christie headlined a fundraiser for the Missouri Republican Party at Hunter Farms, a 500-acre estate owned by a prominent Republican family. Hundreds of people listened to Christie speak at an open-air pavilion erected on the estate for political events.

    “He brought the house down,” Wagner said. “He was funny. He was engaging.”

    Today Christie is flying to California to deliver a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, a requisite pit stop for conservatives with national aspirations. His remarks, titled “Real American Exceptionalism,” will show “how the United States’ role and significance in the world is defined by who we are at home,” a spokeswoman for the governor said.

    His Reagan Library speech will be streamed live at 9:00 Eastern (6:00 PDT) here:

    elissa (a864f0)

  120. Anti-zionist lefturd obama needs to be voted out.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  121. DRJ, I like Christie’s refusal to be intimidated by corrupt Leftist media too – I really do.

    Hopefully we’ll get the total package in a nominee …. well, at least someone who can beat the O machine.

    BTW, the Dems are not stupid. There is a real possibility that O will bow out, and Hillary will indeed run – which will mean a kinder, gentler, form of socialism. Read Dick Morris’ musings on what Bill Clinton is doing & why (Bill has a book on the ECONOMY coming out in November):

    The Clinton machine mocks Obama publicly – yet Bill goes golfing with O this past weekend. Inquiring minds would question that bit of theatre …

    Miranda (4104db)

  122. Miranda–sooner or later Obama is going to have to decide which choice will be less personally traumatic to his ego and to his narcissistic personality–

    1. Based on the plummeting polls, decline to run for re-election even though it will make him look weak and foolish. He’d give some other excuse but essentially would be admitting he’s been a miserable failure as president and that he couldn’t cut it–and everybody would know why he bailed.
    2. vindictively run, and waste a billion dollars doing it, only get beaten in an historic landslide election as bookend to his historic election– and to boot, be known for all time as the guy who took the whole D. party down with him.

    I don’t know that he listens to anybody at all but his own hubris, Michelle, and Valerie Jarrett so it’ll be interesting to see what happens. (Unless Fast and Furious and Solyndra get so close to home that powerful Dems force him to go under threat of impeachment or worse.)

    elissa (a864f0)

  123. Lefty moderator-Herman Cain and Chris Christie you white supremacist why do you hate mualims?

    Herman Cain and Chris Christie-I don’t I just hate Islam.

    Lefty Moderator-YOU LIAR!!!

    DohBiden (d54602)

  124. _______________________________________________

    “I’ve had the candles burning continuously at the handmade Christie shrine in my back closet for at least a week now.

    Not sure if it’s good to place so much faith in any one person, although I do admit that Christie has an appealing plain-speak demeanor about him—however, whenever I see images of all the excess weight he’s carrying, I cringe that he’s a major heart attack waiting to happen.

    I hope that some people’s need to cling to — and place all their dreams and hopes in — Christie, isn’t a hint of just how screwed up this era is. IOW, if the current crop of candidates running against an ultra-liberal with the tarnished history of Obama is going to cause doubt among various conservatives or centrists, then that means this society is a million light years removed from the past. A time when even if Obama were the second coming of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln combined, his merely not conforming in terms of race or ethnicity would have immediately disqualified him, in the eyes of most political kingmakers and a large majority of voters.

    We’ve gone from the extreme of the past to the extreme of today.

    Mark (411533)

  125. Jon. Huntsman. (read it and weep)

    tifosa (f908ae)

  126. Tiffy has a crush on Huntsman.

    JD (0d246e)

  127. I’m not sure why I would weep that a troll is pining for someone with 1-2% support.

    That’s a pleasant thing. Right?

    The weeping will come on Nov 6 2012. I have no idea who will be weeping, but weeping there shall be.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  128. No big deal who I like. Who does Ailes and Rove like? Jeb Bush and Tom Ridge endorse Huntsman.

    tifosa (f908ae)

  129. I suggest that tiffy vote for Huntsman. That should double his support.

    JD (0d246e)

  130. tifosa apparently pays attention to “endorsements”. I think most people who can think and reason for themselves are not influenced by “endorsements” and pay no attention to them. I could give a rat’s patoot who Rove or Jeb or Tom Ridge or Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty or Mark Levin endorse.

    elissa (a68b36)

  131. Sorry Elissa. Endorsements matter to big money. My guess is that’s not you.

    tifosa (f908ae)

  132. Tom Ridge!

    What kind of breakfast does he think I should eat today?

    Endorsements mattered more before people were so easily able to get information. Anyone who cares about endorsements is a fool. If anything, they say more about the endorser than the endorsee.

    I will say I find Romney slightly less abhorrent if Jeff Flake is OK with him, but ultimately, it’s nothing. These things are negotiated and hemmed and hawed about behind closed doors.

    Huntsman has no support from the voters, so who cares about any other detail? He’s not a factor.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  133. Sorry Elissa. Endorsements matter to big money. My guess is that’s not you.

    Comment by tifosa — 9/28/2011 @ 6:52 am

    And yet Elissa, like 99% of Republicans, are not voting for Huntsman.

    Huntsman’s daddy is a billionaire. He is raising a few millions, but it’s kinda obvious way that is. He’s a huge bundler, and Republicans who are looking to 2016 and beyond have to do what they can to cultivate favor with this incredibly wealthy bundler and his vanity campaign.

    Tifosa thinks Huntsman is relevant to the 2012 contest? Hahahaha! Talk about being ignorant of American politics.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  134. Front runners Rick Perry and Herman Cain are simply more impressive human beings than Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney, who have achieved some success in life, but not on their own.

    They are old money, and that is why some names seem interested in cultivating favor with them. It’s just self interest, and it’s slightly insidious.

    I’m proud of the GOP for moving beyond that. Money matters a lot in politics, so Tifosa’s trolling should remind people to consider dropping a little money into Perry and Cain’s campaigns. I just think their backgrounds are superior and more inspirational, and built character. I have nothing against folks who were fortunately well off from the start, but we need someone special this time.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  135. Well, hate like heck to see you good people flush your $$ on Perry or Cain…
    Ailes doesn’t like tea+Koch’s don’t like tea+Rove doesn’t like tea=no tea. Remember the debt ceiling debate?

    tifosa (f908ae)

  136. bla bla bla

    You’re just yammering. I see a Koch thrown in there, which indicates you are upset. It’s hard to decipher troll sometimes, though. You’re not being witty or successfully spinning anything. I think you’re just trying to be annoying. What an accomplishment.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  137. The party has more often than not, leaned toward selfmade men, Bush Sr. was probably more of the exception, although his firm, eventually became
    Pennzoil, so he had a certain track record before
    getting into office, the Scranton, Rockefellers,
    have rarely had the edge.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  138. Step away from the crackpipe, tiffy.

    JD (0d246e)

  139. I’m sure tifosa also hates like heck to see the poor sad misguided but “good” people who are “flushing” their $$ on the former state senator from Illinois. Remember the debt ceiling debate?

    elissa (a68b36)

  140. Ailes doesn’t like tea+Koch’s don’t like tea+Rove doesn’t like tea=no tea. Remember the debt ceiling debate?

    This appears to be written in English, but makes no sense. When the clownish trolls start yammering about the Kock’s and Huntsman, you know they are desperate.

    JD (0d246e)

  141. Ian, I stand corrected insofar as I said the party was getting ‘beyond’ something you are correct to say it’s never really had a problem with.

    The Andrew Jackson model is more of a democrat thing.

    I blame Rick Perry and Herman Cain for the ‘debt ceiling’ because… what? Wouldn’t it make more sense to blame Jon Huntsman for supporting Barack Obama as a great leader?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  142. JD, the question remains: what is the history of tifosa’s posts?

    From that, we can get some idea of why h/she posts here.

    And we know the answer. It’s not to engage or debate.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  143. That’s just his ‘look squirrel’ move,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  144. Simon, I think it’s the same reason my blue heeler keeps biting my beagle on the face. She didn’t have anything better to do, and wasn’t raised to be a nice person.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  145. So I’m stuck in a traffic jam. Nothing is moving. Suddenly, a man knocks on my window.
    I roll down the window and ask, “What’s going on?”
    he says “Terrorists have kidnapped Congress, and are asking for a $10 million dollar ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them all in gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection.”
    “How much is everyone giving, on average?” I ask.
    The man replies, “About a gallon.”

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  146. That joke come from the Constitution or the Bible? ;^)

    tifosa (f908ae)

  147. The morning of tiffy’s discontent…

    From Byron York (H/T- Instapundit):
    “…“Some Republican elites, not just members of the commentariat but also big GOP money men, are in fact unhappy with the field. But what about the voters? Is dissatisfaction with the Republican field widespread among the people who will actually decide the next GOP presidential nominee? Not really…”

    Who knew that tiffy was a “Republican elite”?

    Or, as Dick Tuck is said to have said:
    The People have spoken, Damn Them!”

    What this Government needs are some new People!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  148. That joke come from the Constitution or the Bible? ;^)

    Poor Richard’s Almanac!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  149. AnotherDrew, I like this field! The real choice: JiffyPop or PopSecret.. 😀

    tifosa (f908ae)

  150. The dems had a choice between a famous wife and short time senator and a famous … speech giver and short time senator. They picked one of those.

    The GOP have a choice between a governor with policy suite A and former governor with policy suite B. The other frontrunner is a successful CEO.

    It’s likely that the GOP will actually nominate someone who has led successfully in the past, which is much more than the dems have managed in a nomination since 1996.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  151. Tiffy is in full-on BUNNIES mode today.

    JD (ae55d7)

  152. Leading successfully?

    tifosa (f908ae)

  153. Tifosa, that’s hilarious.

    The House of Representatives originates all spending, Sherlock Einstein.

    Blaming Reagan for the democrat spending binge he opposed is asinine. Blaming Bush when the spending mostly skyrocketed when Pelosi took over is also weak.

    When the GOP had the House and the WH, the deficit was $150 billion a year. When the dems had both, it was well over a trillion.

    Your ‘argument’ amounts to blaming the republican president for anything the democrats do, and giving the democrat president credit for anything the GOP house does (as far as Clinton goes).

    I also think your figure for Obama is simply inaccurate. He’s radically increased the debt in a very short amount of time, and unlike Bush with Pelosi or Reagan with O’Neill, he WANTED to and was working with his own party to do it.

    I realize you’re a troll and that you know you’re lying. But oh well.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  154. Another point here is that percentage of debt increase is a pretty sleazy way to compare eras.

    If Reagan increased the debt as much as Obama had, it would be five digit percentage increase.

    When you have a super high debt, increases by percentage will appear lower. So this analysis has constant huge debt increases baked into the cake.

    Typical democrat propaganda.

    The House originates spending. Let’s look at the deficit level, free of this ‘increase to a small number looks worse than a larger increase to a large number’ BS.

    This is why the Tea Party exists, Tifosa. This is why Obama is a one term president.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  155. To closeted fellow-travellers such as tiffy, RR’s sin was to have defeated the Evil Empire.
    His life’s goal was to wear his Uncle Joe frock, and carry his thumb-worn copy of Das Kapital in everyday life, not just on campus.
    Or, was he a more Progressive Marxist/Leninist, with a Mao-jacket and Little Red Book?
    Either way, a figure to be pitied, and mocked.

    Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  156. This site contains both the video and a transcript of Christie’s speech at the Reagan library:

    His whole theme is the need to stand up for principle, arguing doing that on domestic policy carries over into foreign policy (if a President stands tough on the budget, Pakistan will listen to him?) and criticizing President Obama (and maybe others) for trying to create political issues instead of acting in the collective national interest.

    He is acting very much like a man planning to run for President…in 2016 or 2020. Not this year.

    Sammy Finkelman (9ab1e5)

  157. Shorter tifosa – Why don’t you teahadis care about what I think you should care about?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  158. As I said, full-on BUNNIES/SQUIRREL mode.

    JD (17012e)

  159. There is a report that Christie did criticize Governor Perry on the issue of tuition for illegal instate residents:

    The Los Angeles Times reports that Christie got a question about Texas’ in-state tuition policy for some children of illegal immigrants. He said he does not agree with the law, taking a position that Perry has suggested is heartless.

    Christie: “From my perspective, that is not a heartless position. That is a common-sense position.”

    –Sounds like he is saying that because this policy discriminates against New Jersey. But also he starting to feel it is in his self-interest to criticize this so he is not fairly considering other points of view. Or we can say this actually this shows a lack of common sense in Christie.

    The Wall Street Journal has run an editorial or two on this and there are some points they overlook. The common sense runs the other way.

    The principle argument for lower in-instate tuition, they argue, is that instate residents pay taxes (in other words they are not taking the position that this is a reward for votes) In Texas, where there is no income tax, but there is a sales tax and other consumption taxes, illegal residents generate taxes, so they are covered by the excuse for this interstate discrimination.

    Similarly, if the idea of local college is that people will get more educated and earn more income, that applies to illegal residents too. At least if they will at some point become legal and eligible for higher paying jobs, which the people in Texas seemed to assume.

    Budget projections in Texas declared this policy a wash. And only about 1% of all students attending college in Texas state schools fall into this category.

    The real reason may be something else. Out of state residents are charge higher tuition because the state can get away with it. there is no political fallout. Furthermore, if cost was an important consideration, out of state legal U.S. residents would not consider any Texas college in the first place. Texas state colleges will only be considered by people who have a very important to them reason for going there and who have some way of financing it. So they can probably be overcharged without the state losing the business.

    This is not so for in in-state illegal residents. If anything, market consideration would tell you that actually they should be charged less than legal residents of Texas. they can’t get student loans, If they don’t go there they won’t go anywhere. not even in their home country, which is cheaper although maybe not as good in many cases, because they couldn’t get back in.

    A second consideration is the demoralizing effect a refusal to give the lower rate this may have on students and teachers in Texas high schools and colleges. They see them as equals.

    So anyway charging higher prices to out of state residents nets money for Texas colleges, but doing so would not get any extra money for Texas colleges. It would instead shrink the system, which would leave some students in places unable to take the courses they wanted.

    Sammy Finkelman (9ab1e5)

  160. –Sounds like he is saying that because this policy discriminates against New Jersey.

    That’s really the saving grace of this policy (that I don’t agree with). If a New Jersey fella has the good sense to move to Texas for a few years, naturally he’s going to pay sales and property taxes in some way, and he will be treated as a resident. So the policy doesn’t discriminate.

    Has Perry simply found a less stupid way to explain his point than ‘you are heartless’, I think we could move on from this. That’s his fault, obviously.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  161. An amnesty shill criticizing someone for being an amnesty shill?

    You have a megaton of chutzpah Christie.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  162. Well, how about this, the optics certainly don’t look very good:

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  163. In-State Tuition Rates for illegal aliens is, for all practical purposes, the State encouraging illegal behavior
    (that which is subsidized is encouraged; that which is taxed is discouraged),
    and a breakdown of a society based on the Rule of Law.

    Are we to be the Republic that the Founders intended, or are we to further descend into the abyss of a Banana Republic?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  164. How many different troll have trotted out that Reagan BS like tiffy did earlier?

    JD (17012e)

  165. We hate minorities?

    Ironic coming from dems.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  166. How many different troll have trotted out that Reagan BS like tiffy did earlier?

    It’s obviously a major piece of propaganda.

    It’s insane on many levels. Reagan oversaw the country turn around in many ways. We went from losing on the economy and to some extent, the cold war, and a nation still reeling from Vietnam and terrible leaders, to a nation that was prosperous and confident. He Led Well.

    He accomplished a lot.

    Obama’s spending has actually made America worse.

    But it’s also just dishonest. The debt when Reagan was president was a fraction of our GDP. Today it’s more than our GDP, and so comparing ‘percentage of increase’ is blatantly dishonest spin.

    And Reagan didn’t even want that much spending! He’s being blamed, with dishonest spin to radically overstate the figure, for spending he didn’t want, to someone who spend many many times more and accomplished far less and ACTUALLY WANTED THE SPENDING.

    It’s quite a concentration of dishonesty.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  167. Gotta love how if you oppose illegal immigration your a bible thumping nativist bigot

    Also love the left using Reagan and Goldwater to lambaste the GOP.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  168. The Left:
    If they told the truth, nobody would support them!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  169. “Or we I can say this actually this shows a lack of common sense in Christie.”

    Sammy – Fixed. By harping so much on the tuition aspect your are missing the forest for the trees. What people are concerned about is that Perry’s position on tuition is symptomatic of a broader, relaxed attitude on illegal immigration which was evidenced by his “heartless” comment in the recent debate.

    Somehow you and most other Perry supporters seem to keep missing that point. It’s not just an issue of what Perry has done in Texas and gee isn’t it brave to talk about border issues when you are not in a border state, it’s a concern about what Perry would do about the issue of illegal immigration as President. He doesn’t like what Arizona is doing, so what does he want to do? Right now he is avoiding answering to pander to Hispanic voters.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  170. Ian @163– That “optics” scandal you linked is from a lefty blog? One where the author proclaims that he posts from an “unabashedly liberal perspective”? I am singularly unimpressed.

    elissa (a68b36)

  171. Face it dudes, if he was around today he wouldn’t pass the tea litmus test ;^)

    tifosa (f908ae)

  172. Would somebody open a window, the place is filling up with flatulence.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  173. It is quite informative to be lectured on TEA Party principles by a Leftist Bigot!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c5177)

  174. Tifosa, your own link notes that it is not neutral, and again you are ignoring the fact that the spending originates in the House. You are pretending Reagan actually increased spending. The House did that. The democrats did that.

    But if you’re saying increasing the debt to GDP ratio is bad, you must really love Rick Perry, who has the opposite record, and support him over Obama, who is the worst president in US history by your own metric (And note, Obama WANTED the deficit he got).

    it’s a concern about what Perry would do about the issue of illegal immigration as President. He doesn’t like what Arizona is doing, so what does he want to do? Right now he is avoiding answering to pander to Hispanic voters.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    It does tend to reek of compassionate conservatism. Leading from the heart instead of the brain.

    I think Perry’s tuition policy is not so bad. I disagree with it, but it’s at least understandable. It’s his rhetoric that bugs me.

    I think there’s plenty of reason to say immigration ‘reform’ under Perry would be a substantial possibility. He says he rejects amnesty, and he obviously actually does want a stronger border (as one of the few candidates who has actually done something that strengthened the border). His view on the fence is the same as Santorum’s voting record, and I think it’s the correct one.

    I just want to know that the next president will not make the mistake Reagan made with amnesty. I want a fair and sane immigration policy.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  175. oh my, “bigot” Wow, an ouchy 😉

    tifosa (f908ae)

  176. Face it dudes, if he was around today he wouldn’t pass the tea litmus test ;^)

    Comment by tifosa

    You’re dead wrong. It’s the democrats who have flip flopped on Reagan. They act like he is a brilliant moderate today, but then they said he was a hard right ideologue bastard. The Tea Party would adore Reagan today, even if they had never heard of him before. No doubt about it.

    Your entire way of arguing seems designed not to persuade… just to annoy. All you’re showing us is that our existent, and your perceptions about the future of politics, really upset you and you can’t find a better way to strike back than to be a pest.

    I love it.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  177. yeh, I could only hope you’d choose Perry. Alas 🙁

    tifosa (f908ae)

  178. Tifosa, I’m not concerned about your faked confidence vs a successful governor with a terrific record on jobs.

    Your own links note they aren’t fair. You ignore major flaws in your talking points because you probably don’t even understand what you’re trying to say.

    You are not going to be able to undermine Perry’s support.

    Lucky for you, Perry’s foot is on a collision course with his mouth as we speak, I’m sure.

    I’m still probably going to vote for him, but only if I think he’s the best guy for the actual job. Electability will take care of itself if the GOP simply picks whomever they think can be president effectively.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  179. Dustin – it is admirable, and naïve, to think that pointing out the objective reasons why tiffy is a lying idiot will have any effect. Tiffy aint discussing things, she is just spitting out links, canards, and long debunked leftist talking points.

    JD (1e48bc)

  180. JD, of course you are 100% correct. It’s deliberately being a pest.

    But if it has any effect at all, it’s helpful to the right to see leftists remind us how furious they pretended to be over the deficit before 2007, when they turned an unsustainable problem into a full fledged crisis.

    Let Tifosa whine about the democrat written deficit of the 1980s. Let her then tell us to vote for Obama and Pelosi because … ?

    Obviously Tifosa has zero interest in actually accomplishing something for the left by making a small government argument. I think it’s just lashing out due to sheer impotence.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  181. Point and laugh. Mock and scorn. It is just a poor woman’s version of William the racist hilljack Yelverton.

    JD (352bcf)

  182. Scorn I just can’t summon for the Tifosa level jackass troll. Pointing laughing and mocking I can. And pity. A lot of pity.

    Because Tifosa would be some kind of activist instead of a troll if it could figure out how to do it. It’s like a roach trying to get back on its back watching this thing try to condemn Reagan, whom even the left largely admits was an excellent president.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  183. tiffy – I remember exactly how much Democrats loved Saint Ronnie.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

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