The All-Important Iowa Straw Poll Results Thread
[Posted by Karl]
In a surprise to almost no one, the results of the near-meaningless beauty contest are:
Bachmann 29% Paul 28% Pawlenty 14% Santorum 10% Cain. 9% Perry (write-in) 5% Romney 3% Gingrich 2% Huntsman 0% McCotter 0%.
Raw numbers:
Bachmann 4823, Paul 4671, Pawlenty 2293, Santorum 1657, Cain 1456, Perry (write-in) 718, Romney 567, Gingrich 385, Huntsman 69, McCotter 35.
As TV’s Andy Levy put it: “Congratulations to President Bachmann and Vice President Paul!”
As Eyeblast TV’s Stephen Gutowski put it: “I think the news today is that Ron Paul didn’t win a meaningless poll. Has that ever happened before?”
As HotAir’s Ed Morrissey put it: “You know what this media center is missing? A deep-fried wedge of butter.”
–Karl
Several things stand out: Bachmann got over twice as many votes as Pawlenty, Santorum did much better than expectations, the write-in Perry topped Romney, and Gingrich made a very poor showing.
ropelight (d19b71) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:25 pmAlso, Bachmann reportedly gave out ~6000 tix, barely edged Paul.
Karl (37b303) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:30 pmKarl, good politiking won over
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:44 pmbrain-deadblind enthusiasm.…plus, I’m sure she has more money to finance the “ground game”.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:47 pmBachman not batsh!t crazy enough for 10% of straw poll voters.
Paul’s pandering on abortion shot him up the rankings.
Pawlenty has a poor showing, but tantalizingly enough to keep his campaign on life support for a little while longer.
Perry whups the Mormon as a write in! outstanding.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:52 pmMcCotter was excellent on Fox News today. There has got to be a way to get him on the stage for the next “debate.”
Bachmann’s win is significant. She was the one the media, and Pawlenty, set out to harm. She handled them exceedingly well.
I was also pleasantly surprised at Santorum’s strength. He would make a fantastic VP nominee. He is a staunch conservative and he would keep PA out of the clutches of BHO. There aren’t many electoral maps that show a Dem win without PA.
Ed from SFV (7d7851) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:54 pmMcCotter? Damn, I thought I was following this reasonably closely, but I never heard of him (her?).
JVW (4d72aa) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:55 pmJust wait for Barchmann’s detractors to claim she wouldn’t have done nearly so well if her gal pal Tina Brown hadn’t pumped up Michelle’s faltering candidacy with a timely puff piece and a flattering front cover picture.
ropelight (d19b71) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:55 pmOh, just saw his first name and now I recognize him. He’s the congressman with a droll sense of humor. I didn’t realize he had announced.
JVW (4d72aa) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:56 pmIt’s like Hax is just going through the motions, isn’t it?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:56 pmJVW,
Thaddeus McCotter is a Rep from MI. Funny enough on RedEye appearances, a bit too friendly to unions.
Karl (37b303) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:57 pmHe’s like an endless loop of that ski-jumper on Wide World of Sports.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:58 pm12 is a response to 10.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 4:59 pmMuch more significant than Bachmann’s win was how piss poor Romney did. That’s the message.
ropelight (d19b71) — 8/13/2011 @ 5:02 pmRomney…too close an identification with the Wall Street mavens, and it just shows the unpopularity of Obamneycare, too.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 5:12 pmIt’s interesting that Bachmann just cannot and will not be marginalized.
Some out there had this idea we already have our token woman in Palin, which is just ridiculously sexist. Some out there claim she’s crazy, which again is a pretty reliable thing you’ll hear about any conservative woman and I didn’t find very accurate. I don’t think she’s experienced enough (though she’s better than Obama was), but she’s performed very well, and her strength compared to Romney, a successful CEO and a former governor, speaks to the lack of confidence the right has in Romney.
Good for her. Probably the best possible result we could see from Iowa, but it’s time to put their voice dead last for a couple of decades, in the interest of fairness and to root out subsidy corruption. Some state has to go last, and it’s Iowa’s turn. Let Texas go first for a change.
Dustin (b7410e) — 8/13/2011 @ 5:19 pmThat straw poll won’t mean squat, imo.
A candidate’s available cash on hand and their confidence as to from where they will be able to obtain more cash will determine whether or not he or she stays in the race, imo. It’s all about money this early in the game, imo.
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/13/2011 @ 5:19 pmI refuse to encourage anyone else in thinking that this silly exercise means anything significant to anyone for any purpose.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:23 pmin iowa did kubla khan a tasty ear of corn eat he
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:28 pmIt is too easy to game the system, most likely the Caucus result which is what matters, somewhat, (Huckabee won it last time, McCain came in 4th)will
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:29 pmbe different. It’s like the lesson of the last race, goes totally ignored, like McCain running out of funds, Romney spending 50 million with little to show for it,
Beldar,
I thought I conveyed that with the tone of the post.
Karl (37b303) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:36 pmropelight,
Romney decided not to contest the straw poll, guaranteeing a poor result.
Dustin,
re Bachmann & Palin, a look at the polls suggests if Palin gets in, she takes about half of Bachmann’s support. I agree on the underlying silliness of that dynamic, but there appears to be something to it. And it may not be the woman thing so much as the similarity on policy and in tone.
Karl (37b303) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:39 pmHow do they deep fry butter? Doesn’t it melt?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:41 pmA comment from PowerLine re Obama/Carter….
Palin-Bachmann 2012 = Reagan-squared 1980.
A double-dose of Thatcher.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:46 pmthis was Hot Air’s link about the butter DRJ
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:46 pmFreeze the butter, I assume.
Dustin (b7410e) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:49 pmSpartacBS why don’t you go masturbate on your own time you teabagged jackass.
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:50 pmI say that because my favorite food is fried ice cream.
Dip and Wrap really cold ice cream (or I assume butter) in something and fry.
God Bless America.
Dustin (b7410e) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:51 pmIf it can’t be put on a stick, and deep-fat fried, it isn’t worth eating.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eeb8e7) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:52 pmDRJ, if they can deep fry both ice cream and Coca Cola, they can deep fry butter. Don’t underestimate the ingenuity of Southern fry cooks.
ropelight (d19b71) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:53 pmFried ice cream, really, I just see it?
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/13/2011 @ 6:58 pmSome folks are overdue to visit food row at the State Fair, there’s lots more than corn dogs, cotton candy, and kettle corn. Check it out.
ropelight (d19b71) — 8/13/2011 @ 7:07 pmAt the Texas State Fair, we’ve had fried everything from butter to ice cream, including Coca-Cola and margaritas.
The butter wasn’t on a stick, though.
Ag80 (9a213d) — 8/13/2011 @ 7:07 pmDid you have fried SpartacVS?
BTW gorebull warming is true because a SpongeBob episode said so./Sarc obviously
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/13/2011 @ 7:58 pmHe could just be a group hallucination like Manbearpig
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:00 pmThis was some sort of midwestern mattress stuffing convention? Pshaw!
I’d rather talk about how unbelievable it is that MD in Philly didn’t know what an Aggie is. I would have never predicted that.
Growing up I didn’t know any Polish jokes, but Aggie jokes were most of what passed for humor in my town.
What’s more: T-sip? Tea party! That can’t be a coincidence, can it?
In other news today, there are many people who are greeting Texas Governor Rick Perry’s announcement with this mystical phrase:
But being a T-sip, I’m not inclined to use such harsh language.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:26 pmSpeaking of harsh language, did you notice Perry wore a Longhorn orange tie today?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:31 pmDoesn’t Utah State also have “Aggies”? Who else?
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:32 pmOh my gosh, turns out there are many flavors of Aggies!
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:34 pmDRJ — I did!
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:35 pmProof he can “reach across the aisle,” isn’t it?
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:36 pmOMG, Beldar is a sip. The apocalypse is nigh.
New Mexico State to answer your question, I think. Okie State used to be Aggies, but now they are the Cowboys or something.
Ag80 (9a213d) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:38 pmI don’t think his tie was burnt orange, more like an OSU orange.
I hate orange.
Ag80 (9a213d) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:40 pmIt was definitely burnt orange, Ag80.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:45 pmBeldar,
Your link lists Cornell University as being Aggies. I guess that makes Patterico a Longhorn and an Aggie.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:52 pmThere were several things I really liked about Perry’s speech. I’ve been pondering all day the line that Dana quoted on the earlier thread:
In fact, I liked that line so much that it temporarily blinded me to the fact that it’s part of a unit with the following sentence, and together they formed his closing because they’re in fact quite related:
He needs to tinker with that line slightly: It’s true we need to get the feds out of a lot of stuff that ought properly be left to state government if it’s the proper function of any government. But the far bigger point for purposes of the 2012 campaign is that it’s mismanagement and over-reaching by the federal government that’s killing private job creation and economic growth. In other words, making Washington inconsequential in all our lives is also, wonderfully enough, the very best prescription for jobs and economic growth.
My next-favorite line after those two: “[A]s Americans, we realize there is no taxpayer money that wasn’t first earned by the sweat and toil of one of our citizens.” This reminds me of another Aggie — Phil Graham, and his “Dickie Flatt test.”
I still don’t know how big the anti-Texas/anti-Dubya’s-heir backlash is going to be yet, but I think at a minimum he’s going to shake the race up very substantially.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:54 pmThe anti-Mormon hatred emanating from Spartacvs is palpable.
Icy Texan (793407) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:57 pm==I still don’t know how big the anti-Texas/anti-Dubya’s-heir backlash is going to be yet==
Well, maybe he can try a variation of the “I am not a witch” line.
elissa (5f35d1) — 8/13/2011 @ 8:58 pmExplain your work.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:04 pmI was amused to find myself, over on Ann Althouse’s blog, defending Gov. Perry against charges that he isn’t really a conservative because he signed an extreme “animal rights” bill (actually legislation regulating animal cruelty in commercial puppy mills) and because his major donors are supposedly animal rights advocates (here and here).
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:07 pm==defending Gov. Perry against charges that he isn’t really a conservative because he signed an extreme “animal rights” bill==
Beldar–Pretty much every commnent on every blog between now and Nov. 2012 will need to be sniffed to see it it is a “Concerned Christian Conservative” plant. I suspect the one you just referenced and replied to is such a post. It’s going to be a looooong 15 months. Good work.
elissa (5f35d1) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:16 pmI also call to your attention the opinions of the day from Ramesh Ponnuru, echoing Karl’s post here:
But these conservatives and their violent imagery!
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:29 pmSporty, google it, school marm,
Ag80 (9a213d) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:29 pmAnd don’t get me started on New Hampshire!
New Hampshire. Why are we letting New Hampshire have such a big role in picking our presidents, when the whole state’s most impressive accomplishment, as far as I know, is being in the name of the eponymous hotel from John Irving’s book and the resulting movie?
I like the subtext on Perry announcing today and in South Carolina. But where does he go next?
New Hampshire. Sigh.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:35 pmThe winning ticket:
Perry/Rubio
But so is:
anyone/Rubio
AZ Bob (aa856e) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:47 pmBeldar #51: good work. Even decent people are falling into “litmus test” thinking. Virginia Postrel, who I like a lot, has been repeating that she finds Perry smarmy and hard to listen to…unlike the current POTUS, I wanted to ask? Postrel is a libertarian/independent, and I am afraid they are going sniff and end up giving this fellow four more years to mess up things. I mean, Democrats will still vote for Obama despite his not following through on so many campaign promises, right?
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:57 pmHeck with all due respect to the formidable elissa (I enjoy your posts), I meant #50.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/13/2011 @ 9:57 pm@ elissa (#51): Thanks! Ya know, the Texas Legislature has done its share of spectacularly dumb and funny and tragic things over the decades, and Texas governors have not only signed a lot of those into law but they done their own pratfalls too.
But (with apologies for violently mixed metaphors I’m about to plunge into): One of the reasons Perry has managed to get elected and re-elected in state-wide races has been that he’s stayed pretty consistently abreast — neither too far ahead or behind — where Texas voters want its governor to be. If you swim upstream all the time, you run out of endurance; so he hasn’t. But he’s (mostly) learned from the few times he’s strayed. As a result, his leadership, while inevitably stepping on some number of toes, has been pretty consistent with where the state wanted to be going anyway. On his better days and in his better speeches, he acknowledges that. So it’s a good idea to be suspicious about any claims about Perry that seem wild or borderline. Roughly half of those claims are made up out of whole cloth, and the other half (e.g., “Perry is a secessionist who wants to re-fight the Civil War!”) is the kind of thing Perry himself finds it really funny to yank people’s strings on.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 10:09 pmPerry/Rubio is the future
but also Perry and Nikki H would be interesting too
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 10:13 pm@ Simon (#56): Re Perry striking some as smarmy (and Postrel’s not unique in that reaction by any means):
Perry is not bland. He is easy to caricature, as were both Reagan and Bush-43, and he is a magnet for mockery, some of it reasonably good-natured (“Governor Goodhair,” which may have been a Molly Irvins barb), and some of which is quite vile. Those inclined to dislike him, for whatever reason, will find plenty of ammunition to support that inclination.
That’s frankly why I wonder whether the fall-off in Dubya’s popularity among conservatives after roughly 2006 will turn out to have been just the result of exhaustion or instead some sort of long-term allergic reaction. (That’s a subject on which I confess limited insight at best, since I remain a Dubya fan to this day.) Perry isn’t a Dubya clone by any means, either on substance or on style. But after Bush-41 & Bush-43 in such short (historical) order, Perry’s simply being a Texas Republican is probably enough all by itself to generate anaphylactic shock for a large majority of Democrats, so we’ll have to see how Republicans and independents elsewhere react now.
Beldar (485693) — 8/13/2011 @ 10:51 pmbut less noticeable than one would normally expect, since the miasma of stupidity tends to mask the rest of his multitude of shortcomings.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 8/13/2011 @ 10:59 pmSpart,
I covered Obama’s job-killing regulatory record just a few days ago:
https://patterico.com/2011/08/09/obama-%e2%80%9912-man-without-a-plan/
Karl (37b303) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:00 pmThat presumes, Karl, that Hax chooses to read. Or understand what he reads. Since he is on record writing things that are untrue (and lazy to boot), I doubt you will reach him.
He’s not here to debate. He was banned for being a jerk, and plays silly games with different names to still post insults and bile.
That’s all he has.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:05 pmBeldar, I look at the economy in Texas, and I look at the rest of the country. Seems to me that someone with, well, some experience would be a good choice. I wish Governor Perry well.
But you are right about prejudice and emotional responses. I watched people going nuts about Perry appearing a prayer meeting the other day. Of course, a President who sat for two decades in a church presided over by a racialist conspiracy minded whackadoo was perfectly okay.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:08 pmthe prayer meeting thing was tacky but Perry is still by far the strongest candidate Team R seems likely to produce this cycle and those sort of panderings won’t affect how he governs all too much I don’t think
he’s more than indicated that he knows what the coming campaign is about and me I’m pretty excited to see him bring bumble’s reign of fail to a close
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:16 pmmaybe he thought his church was too liberal I bet that happens a lot in Austin… I know my parents went through times where they dialed back on what they gave our church like when it was supporting communism in Africa
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:48 pmcamped out for hours just down the road to get free school supplies
by the way the free stuff for kids thing was sponsored a lot by Shell Oil Co, which is one of the companies on president bumble’s mostest-eager-to-rape list
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:56 pmI think they’re right after Koch Industries and Walmart
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/13/2011 @ 11:57 pmI think “yes” is like “truth”: another attempt by imdw or people like him. Jeez.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:04 amDon’t you worry, “yes.” Stashiu3 will remove you and thank you for the data of yet more silly names to keep on his list.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:04 amI think it’s kinda neat to see how weak the case against Mr. Perry is
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:06 amThey will still pile on, Mr. Feet. They need to remove any threat to the fellow who lied about his campaign promises, over and over again. I swear, POTUS could poop in a cup and these characters would call it chocolate pudding.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:08 amyes this is true but… 1 sec brb
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:10 amhere’s an IM I got from a friend what was a fierce obama fanclubber
ok yeah it’s still sorta not very reality-based but this shift is HUGE
and Mr. Perry is gonna look like Mt. Rushmore standing next to bumble on a debate stage
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:13 amWell, remember the stress that POTUS has been under. Why, he feels like MLK. Yep, water cannons, attack dogs, and assassins are just like not getting your way with Congress. Sheesh.
I hope you are right about Perry. As for POTUS working across the aisle, it might seem that way to an acolyte, but the Republicans don’t seem to think so. Boehner in particular.
Wait. Does your friend mean “work both sides of the aisle” in a huckster sense, like in 2008? I thought he might mean finding bipartisan compromise. Just tell your friend that elections have consequences, and ask him who said that, and to whom. Sheesh.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:20 amPlus, I am glad to see a candidate about whom you think positively, Mr. Feet. This is an important election.
Simon Jester (adcbb0) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:21 amYour best hope might just be Ron Paul. He could sell his anti-war schtick as a cost saver. Bachmann simply has no chance. Wingnuts might do well in spots, but she’s the Republican version of George McGovern. Same with Santorum, thus no chance. Romney would have years ago, before it became apparent he’s a fruitcake. Uhm, has he renounced his faith in the LDS? It doesn’t take much research to see they have much in common with Scientology, as in it’s a science fiction based cult.
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 3:07 amAnd I like George McGovern. I’m talking in terms of odds to win it all. She’d be lucky to win more than Arizona or Utah, your strongholds!
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 3:12 amand Mr. Perry is gonna look like Mt. Rushmore standing next to bumble on a debate stage
Unless Perry is as intimidated by the race issue as a wussy, old Mr. Magoo from Arizona was.
Oversensitivity to his race gives a [huge] advantage to Obama, and you can be sure that both unprincipled Democrats and their equally slimy shills in the MSM will exploit it.
Perry will need to have the balls to tactfully, humorously and adeptly call them out on their abuses and exploitation of that issue, or he will lose just like McCain did. That will be a test of Perry’s mettle that he has not had to demonstrate in Texas. Don’t underestimate the extent to which Obama and his sycophants will exploit that issue. It is the only card that they’ve got.
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/14/2011 @ 4:33 amimdw… nuked again. Not as rich a vein as some he’s posted recently. Pity. 😉
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:08 amIt’s uncertain whether spartacvs is Hax. He denies it and there is no conclusive evidence. He refusal to answer the Japan question is what convinced me, but I admitted I might be wrong and apologized in case it wasn’t him.
Just think of him as HDB (Hax’s dumber brother).
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:11 amBeldar-
At Wisconsin there was a School of Agriculture which was referred to as the School of Agriculture or as the “Ag School”. Likewise, nobody in Engineering was called an “Engie”, or Letters and Sciences a “Lettery” or or “Sciency”. I guess this is what happens when there is one major state university (with multiple campuses, though most think of Madison if one refers to “UW” without a modifier like-Oshkosh). The only “Aggie” I ever heard of was the wife of my boss at the hardware store I worked in during high school.
Why isn’t it the Texas A+M “Mechies”??
So, I think you overstate your case that I “did not know what an Aggie was”. Yes, I did not know “Aggie humor” was a mainstay in Texas. In my experience there have been engineering jokes, West Coast jokes, and the ever-deserved lawyer jokes (some of present company excluded).
MD in Philly (b15beb) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:02 amI just heard Pawlenty has dropped out.
I guess the ability to raise money must be a major factor in primaries, to have enough support early on to attract donations to keep going. I think it’s a shame that the primary field gets narrowed so early. I mean, really, there is a long time between now and the Repub convention.
On the other hand, I am waiting for someone to step up and claim center stage, and if a candidate feels this early on they can’t do that, then I guess it is just as well.
MD in Philly (b15beb) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:09 amThe important result of IA is Romney will not be a first ballot victor and will have no support coming on following ballots.
Perry, Palin, Bachmann, Cain, pick ’em.
gary gulrud (790d43) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:40 amSmarmy is a bit too strong, but there is something disquieting about Perry. Sure, he’s the new boy on the national stage, and it’ll take some time for folks to warm up to him, but there’s also that undefined something. Observers may not be able to specify exactly what it is, but it’s there alright.
Whatever it is, it’s somewhat vague, presently undefined, and slightly off-putting, but it won’t remain ambiguous for long. There are too many critical observers focused on Perry for it to escape detection and identification.
Perry’s camp would do well to hang a name on him first, something he can live with, rather than pussyfoot around and let his opponents stick him with something humiliatingly derogatory.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:44 amRomney can and will win the nomination, gary gulrud.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:49 amI just heard Pawlenty has dropped out.
His campaign experienced a spectacular crash and burn during the last debate. It was as if he chose to go out like a kamikaze.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:53 amIt doesn’t take much research to see they have much in common with Scientology, as in it’s a science fiction based cult.
Be gone, bigoted POS.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:55 amIt’s not news that Pawlenty dropped out, he was never really in it anyway. And, that’s too bad, because he had a lot to offer. I hope he stays in national politics. There’s a place for a guy with his experience and convictions in a GOP Administration.
(Now, who was it claiming the Iowa straw poll was devoid of significance?)
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:02 amHe wasn’t going anywhere, he had no real rationale
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:03 amto run,
colonel had a dream
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:04 amwhip cracks mush, you huskies! cry
spurty see dog bung
Unless someone is a current member of the LDS, they should understand it for what it is. The evidence is astounding.
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:07 amStashiu3 #80, #81: first, everyone should thank you for doing you best to keep deeply weird trolls off the comments section. I mean, if you have been banned for being a jerk, and you keep trying…well, it’s weird.
As for HDB, you shouldn’t apologize. Like Hax, this person continually trolls—as opposed to disagreeing (as with “teatards” and outright making things up (again, that the Founders never did anything to fight slavery…which even a minute long scan of Wikipedia would prove false). Whoever the guy is, he is only posting to cause trouble, not to debate or discuss.
Regardless, thank you for what you do. It cannot be fun.
Simon Jester (66644e) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:14 amThe numbers don’t add up. It totals 16,674. When I add in the reported 162 scattering (?) to 16,674, it adds up to 16836. Why the discrepancy?
There were only 16,892 votes cast total. If the Iowa GOP can’t do simple math, they should refund every candidate the money they spent on the straw poll and issue a formal statement nullifying the results and apologies to the participants and supporters.
28.56% (4,823 votes) – Michele Bachmann
BlackSunshine84 (efb054) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:17 am27.65% (4,671 votes) – Ron Paul
13.57% (2,293 votes) – Tim Pawlenty
9.81% (1,657 votes) – Rick Santorum
8.62% (1,456 votes) – Herman Cain
4.25% (718 votes) – Rick Perry (write-in)
3.36% (567 votes) – Mitt Romney
2.28% (385 votes) – Newt Gingrich
0.41% (69 votes) – Jon Huntsman
0.21% (35 votes) – Thaddeus McCotter
Colonel, I love these progressives who dump on LDS candidates. First, these same people don’t seem unhappy with Harry Reid, who is LDS. Second, these people didn’t have any trouble with a candidate who sat for two decades in a congregation led by crazy conspiracy theorist pastor who thought that the US government invented AIDS to kill black people (and let’s not forget, had his children baptized by this nutjob).
So it’s not really antireligion on their part. It’s pro-leftist.
Simon Jester (66644e) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:17 amDaily Beast “most popular” morning headline articles:
Rick Perry’s Ruthless Drive to Win
Michelle Bachmann’s Unrivaled Extremism
They’re workin’ it, baby!
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:27 amliberalism springs
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:27 amfrom mental disorder or
genetic defect
The numbers don’t add up. It totals 16,674. When I add in the reported 162 scattering (?) to 16,674, it adds up to 16836. Why the discrepancy?
We’re not talking about alot of votes here. There were only 16,892 votes total. If the Iowa GOP can’t do simple math, they should refund every candidate the money they spent on the straw poll and issue a formal statement nullifying the results and apologies to the participants and supporters.
28.56% (4,823 votes) – Michele Bachmann
BlackSunshine84 (efb054) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:29 am27.65% (4,671 votes) – Ron Paul
13.57% (2,293 votes) – Tim Pawlenty
9.81% (1,657 votes) – Rick Santorum
8.62% (1,456 votes) – Herman Cain
4.25% (718 votes) – Rick Perry (write-in)
3.36% (567 votes) – Mitt Romney
2.28% (385 votes) – Newt Gingrich
0.41% (69 votes) – Jon Huntsman
0.21% (35 votes) – Thaddeus McCotter
Two additional thoughts about the significance of the Iowa straw poll:
First, Michelle Bachmann is on the Sunday political talk shows and she’s being treated with respect so far, which is a big change from last week and a direct result of her Iowa victory. And, not only that, she’s articulating conservative principles in a calm and persuasive way. More than that, she’s kicking MSM ass, and she’s exposing casual viewers to the convictions of a strong conservative woman. Which is quite different from the impression being pushed by media guttersnipes like the bottom feeders at Newsweak.
Second, Ron Paul isn’t on the Sunday shows spewing idiot nonsense and making the GOP look like a pack of insane barking dogs.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:30 amvery true, Simon. If Romney does win, I only hope the obamanation opens that religious can o’worms, so that we can have that long overdue discussion of the Reverend Wright/black liberation theological experience.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:30 amHere are some links for those openminded about finding out the truth about the Mormon Church.
http://www.rickross.com/groups/mormon.html
Also, go to google and search site:forum.rickross.com mormons
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:32 amIf it looks like I made an unwarranted assumption or error, I own it. It’s bigger issue to me than just spartacvs (or Hax). 🙂
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:39 amWhere have I praised Harry Reid? And then out comes some totally different topic. This is how forums get stupid real quick. Maybe this is a DLC astroturfer trying out to make Republicans look as crazy as practicing Mormons. Then out comes the predictable libtard versus repukelican angle. This is why no one rarely cares about political blogs like this one. Sorry Patterico.
Then Haiku said:
This is beyond stupid. Patterico, why would anyone want to post in this kind of atmosphere? Normal Republicans don’t want to be associated with this either. That’s why they voted for Obama. Unless the republicans can come up with a normal candidate as close to the center as possible, Obama is going to be re-elected. And I’m no big fan of him either. But anyway, I provided links on Mormoms. Let’s see if any brave conservatives will step up and take care of the crazies within your own tent. They are making you look bad and will not win votes to the right. I’m out of here. Anyone with an education has better things to do than read trash like that. It doesn’t matter if they’re liberal or conservative. The truth is the truth.
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:46 amHas Harry Reid renounced Mormonism?
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:48 amStash, lighten up, there’s a reason they put erasers on pencils.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:49 amI get called a POS and told I have genetic defects or mental disorders. If that’s how Republicans mostly are, then you own it. If you were smart, you’d tell those guys they are sounding very stupid and anti-social. They can’t argue the merits of Mormonism which was the developing debate. They have to bring in other topics and go all-out with ad hominems. Why would a Republican even want to post here?
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:54 amHow does a political party thread the needle in their talking points that liberal Mormons are just fine, but Republicans of the Mormon faith are, well, icky Mormons?
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:55 amI get it, you don’t like Mormons or think they’re quite rational. How do you feel about astrology? If a candidate knows their zodiac sign, is that proof they’re unfit? Or even worse, their Chinese calendar sign?
I’m not going to join the Mormon church or Scientology. That doesn’t mean members can’t also be good people or govern well. Can we consider that you’ve made your point and leave it be? I’ve enjoyed your contributions, especially on the Weiner threads, up until now… but this is quickly turning me off anything else you might have to say. Bashing Mormons, Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc… is exactly the wrong way to discuss politics (IMO). Mormons aren’t blowing things up or beheading folks. Whether you believe they’re rational or not, they’ve got that going for them so I’d say I don’t have a problem with them.
What’s your problem with his record (if you have one)? Speaking for myself, that’s a point I’d be interested in hearing. If it’s just that he’s a Mormon, well I guess I won’t anticipate comments from you quite as much.
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:56 amNurses typically don’t use pencils… just sayin’
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:57 am😉
You’re sounding very stupid and anti-social. Happy?
Mormonism wasn’t the “developing debate”… you were trying to make it so. Not interested. Hope you stick around though. Up to you however. Be well.
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:03 amJeez, but for someone who says he wants debate, this Prepostericity fellow is touchy.
Sir, I was not referring to you specifically. Perhaps you hate and revile all things LDS. Fine. Perhaps you wrote letters to the DNC, and hammered Left of center blogs about a candidate who honors (and calls a mentor) a conspiracy theorist accusing the government of genocide.
But I’m betting not. Am I wrong? I’m all for consistency.
To quote a line from “Dune,” I presented a garment of generalities; you responded by claiming it was a perfect fit for you. I said no such thing.
Peace by upon you, but please don’t attack people so readily.
Simon Jester (e39574) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:06 amAnd Stashiu3, if I am feeding a fire here, please feel free to delete my comments. I mean no disrespect, not even to this Prepostericity fellow.
Simon Jester (e39574) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:08 amNah, he’s not a bad guy and has been through a lot. I may not agree with him, but I like him. Apparently, Mormonism for him is like Sarah Palin for happyfeet. Everybody has something that sets their teeth on edge. The thing is, we should recognize it in ourselves and bite our tongue 9 times out of 10.
I just skim over happyfeet’s comments now because I’m just not interested in his opinion anymore and would hate to get that way about Preposterity.
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:17 amPrepostericity–
If you’re still around, here is a question for you. If you take only as a hypothetical that Obama will not be re-elected, then who of the announced or unannounced possible Republican candidates would you prefer to serve as your president and lead the country for 4 years? I know you don’t want or expect to have a Republican president elected in 2012, but if we do have one, who would you prefer to be the one out of the choices? Many Republicans had to ask themselves a similar question between Obama and Clinton last time, so I think this is a fair question to ask you to address. Thanks.
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:27 amhey there, POS
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:29 amyou use invective your way
I use it my way
if you can’t stand heat
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:31 amget your ass out of kitchen
words you can live by
You know what sets my Teeth on edge. Turdicus.
49. mismanagement and over-reaching by the federal government that’s killing private job creation and economic growth
Explain your work.
Comment by Spartacvs — 8/13/2011 @ 9:04 pm
I gave you a fair question about this subject that you willfully ignored and then you post this?
Can we change the litter box this one stinks.
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:33 amStashiu3, thanks for the comments.
I get irritated by all kinds of things. I need more serenity (or at least act more like Zoey).
Colonel, I need to find my wa.
Simon Jester (e39574) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:35 amPS
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:35 amWe have Aggies here in Ma too.
Catching up from last night 😉
Dear Blackburnsghost:
As the Backyardigans say on their cartoon show: “Mission completion.”
Irritating people is what HDB is all about.
Simon Jester (e39574) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:37 amI think of Spurty more as a skunk than a cat. But that’s just me. I like cats.
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:38 amThis Sunday Morning
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:39 amcolonel go all dongyi on
preposterous ass
a mental image
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:42 amnot a cat but a polecat
spurty le pew
Elissa,
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:43 amI think of Turdicus more like a ball of yarn to play with that the cat accidentally ate and then got deposited in the litter box of life.
B
Colonel lucky to
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:43 amget some new material
for inspiration!
Michele Bachmann was the strong candidate to beat President Obama in the election. Now Rick Perry has leaped over and beyond her. All Rick Perry needs to do to win is compare his record to Obama’s. Perry’s JOB creating record in Texas will defeat Obama.
Obama has spent the U.S. into a hole with NO Results in ending unemployment. Rick Perry’s Texas job creation is what Obama would need to advertise to explain why unemployment isn’t at 15% in the U.S. Rick Perry has the JOB making credential to win the presidential election unless Obama can get unemployment below 8% in the next six months. Good luck Mr. Obama.
OnlyTheTruth (5e1fc4) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:44 amSay, didn’t I hear that Axelrod was claiming that Perry’s successes were due to Texas’ oil industry and military improvements?
Except that BHO has not been a friend to either…
Unclear on the concept.
Simon Jester (e39574) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:48 amMormonism has been around for about a hundred and fifty years, Socrates, it’s not a cult.
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:51 amelissa speaks truth
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:51 amammunition run low for
the One Trick Pony
I think Perry is sincere in his religious beliefs but he’s also a smart politician who knows the value of making those beliefs clear. So even though the prayer meeting had been scheduled for some time, it helped Perry establish his religious bona fides and now that he’s done that, I expect Perry will occasionally attend Sunday services and speak to groups like Rick Warren’s church (something Obama did, too). The difference between Obama and Perry is Perry will still go to church after he’s elected President.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:59 am“Here are some links for those openminded about finding out the truth about the Mormon Church.”
Prepostericity – The link you provided goes to a site whose “mission is to study destructive cults, controversial groups and movements and to provide a broad range of information and services easily accessible to the public for assistance and educational purposes.”
Your pretense of openmindedness is a sham for more epistemic closure and bigotry, sorry. Flouncing off does not help matters.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:00 ameveryone knows the only religion what for reals disqualifies anyone for office is scientology
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:14 amVoting for Palin is a vote for obama…………says the same idiots who voted for Juan Mcshamnesty.
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:15 amplus less than a third of perry’s jobs are government plus jobs, which has to be what really enrages bumble to no end
that is NOT the vision
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:18 amRon Paul does well with independents, it’s not Paul who makes the GOP look like a pack of insane barking dogs.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:19 amthat second *plus* isn’t supposed to be there I’m a go make coffee
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:19 amSpurty is nothing if not consistent. Consistently douche.
Integrity check – list all the names you have commented under, spurty.
JD (318f81) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:23 amSpvrty – Breaking News, Jimmy Carter to primary Barack Obama – Cage match of failed Democrat presidents!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:24 amKarl @62
The stimulus didn’t fail Karl, it just wasn’t enough
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:26 amBachmann and Ron Paul…there might be a reason that Perry and Romney skipped this thing. It is obviously a joke. It has to be.
I am sorry, but Ron Paul is a loon. An honest to God lunatic. And while Bachmann is a very articulate and talented politician, she is also opportunistic. Her stance on the debt ceiling alone is enough to knock her out of the running as far as I am concerned..she could not even bring herself to vote for Cut Cap and Balance for Chrisake. And even though a majority of the Tea party caucus voted for the Beohner bill, she was still out there on her soap box pandering her little heart out. No real answers or solutions…just pander. The idea that we were downgraded because we raised the debt ceiling is ridiculous. Even S&P says that much. She just did the same thing Obama did in 2006 when he refused to vote for the debt ceiling hike. We were downgraded because of a combination of political gamesmanship and a failure to come up with realistic long term debt reduction.
I don’t know, I just hope the Ames Straw poll is meaningless, because the idea that the best we can do is Bachmann and Paul just scares the hell out of me. I would like to see Obama lose in 2012. And I don’t think either one of these people has a snow ball’s chance.
Terrye (84455a) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:32 amMichele Bachmann was the strong candidate to beat President Obama in the election. Now Rick Perry has leaped over and beyond her. All Rick Perry needs to do to win is compare his record to Obama’s. Perry’s JOB creating record in Texas will defeat Obama.
Obama has spent the U.S. into a hole with NO Results in ending unemployment. Rick Perry’s Texas job creation is what Obama would need to advertise to explain why unemployment isn’t at 15% in the U.S. Rick Perry has the JOB making credential to win the presidential election unless Obama can get unemployment below 8% in the next six months. Good luck Mr. Obama.
Comment by OnlyTheTruth — 8/14/2011 @ 8:44 am
I think Perry has a real chance, but not Bachmann. Most Americans are never going to support Michele Bachmann, in fact a lot of people are going to consider her a crank. That is just a fact.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:33 amRon Paul does well with independents, it’s not Paul who makes the GOP look like a pack of insane barking dogs.
that post explains the dream I wrote of in post #91… thanks, spurty!
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:35 amRon Paul does well with independents, it’s not Paul who makes the GOP look like a pack of insane barking dogs.
Comment by Spartacvs — 8/14/2011 @ 9:19 am
The man is a loon. I hear that he thinks Gaza is a concentration camp. Those meanie old Jews are always picking on the Palestinians. Bad Jew. That is Paul. He managed to damn near buy himself a victory in a straw poll where the votes go for $30 a pop. He does well with straw polls and internet polls, but with the American people as a whole? Not so much.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:38 amnot only does he purport to be a seer/prognosticator, he also stares into the bungs of his fellow pack dogs.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:38 amVoting for Palin is a vote for obama…………says the same idiots who voted for Juan Mcshamnesty.
Comment by DohBiden — 8/14/2011 @ 9:15 am
If it was not for Juan Mcshamnesty no one would even know who Palin was. BTW, she has the same views on immigration that McCain does. Personally, I always thought it was kind of disrepectful to call a war hero silly names, but then I guess I am just a true conservative or something like that.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:40 amMcCain is a pompous cowardly tool I think. He quivered and trembled whenever Obama fixed him with his steely hopey gaze.
Pathetic.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:44 amPerry/Rubio is the future
but also Perry and Nikki H would be interesting too
Comment by happyfeet — 8/13/2011 @ 10:13 pm
I heard that Nikki H would support Romney because he gave her a lot of support in her race. I have no idea how true that is.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:44 amMcCain is a pompous cowardly tool I think. He quivered and trembled whenever Obama fixed him with his steely hopey gaze.
Pathetic.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/14/2011 @ 9:44 am
You jest. I don’t think McCain is a coward. I think he is a cranky old man who likes to get his own way. But he is no coward.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:46 amThis is a man what countless times cowered and whimpered before the judgments of the… New York Times editorial board. He’s brave sorta the way I’m tactful.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:47 amYour saying Palin is not perfect? What next your gonna say water is wet?
Mccain was afraid of being called a racist.
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:47 amGaze upon this man’s craggy visage and you gaze upon the veritable face of bravery at its most sublime. Compare and contrast with the wheedling and ingratiating views adopted by various Palin-endorsed senators from Arizona.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:52 amThis is a man what countless times cowered and whimpered before the judgments of the… New York Times editorial board. He’s brave sorta the way I’m tactful.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/14/2011 @ 9:47 am
Well, I guess when I was thinking of courage, I was thinking of standing up to years of imprisonment and torture..not the NYT editorial board.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:53 amyeah he was pretty stalwart back in the day
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:54 amPerry calls global warming “all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight.” Unlike many of the other GOP presidential candidates, he hasn’t expressed concern about climate change in the past, so he won’t have to do any back-pedaling.
Gaze upon this man’s craggy visage and you gaze upon the veritable face of bravery at its most sublime. Compare and contrast with the wheedling and ingratiating views adopted by various Palin-endorsed senators from Arizona.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/14/2011 @ 9:52 am
I think Perry has a lot better chance than Palin, but come in..the guy was politically tied to the king of global warming alarmism, none other than Al Gore himself…and then when that well ran dry he moved onto the next big thing.
That does not mean I would not vote for him.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:55 amThat will work well with the base during the nomination fight, but will come back to haunt him in the general. Same problem any likely GOP challenger to Obama has, they are all outside the mainstream and too extreme for independents.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:58 amyes but Gore was running as something he was not – a maneuver our herpetic 42nd president would execute much more successfully a few short years later
but anyway the 80s were a very different time
Lorne Greene was still alive even
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:58 amSame problem any likely GOP challenger to Obama has, they are all outside the mainstream and too extreme for independents.
Now THAT is laugh out loud funny… Sunday morning funnies funny!
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:00 amyeah and that Flock of Seagulls lead singer had that wacky haircut, happy… but that doesn’t change the fact that Mr. Perry was the ManBearPig’s Texas Chair.
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:02 amMr. Spartacvs with a v, if Perry’s no-nonsense stance on global warming trickers bumble into saying that the hapless carbon dioxide molecules in question are a big priority for his imagined second term whilst untold millions of Americans are jobless and depressed in their unairconditioned underwater homes I think the whole issue is gonna work very very well for our good Mr. Governor Perry
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:03 amMr. Colonel when it transpires that Gore was the chair of any of Perry’s endeavors is when I’ll start to maybe furrow my untroubled pikachu brow
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:06 amyes but Gore was running as something he was not – a maneuver our herpetic 42nd president would execute much more successfully a few short years later
but anyway the 80s were a very different time
Lorne Greene was still alive even
Comment by happyfeet — 8/14/2011 @ 9:58 am
Yes, they were. And Perry has a way of changing with those times..whatever works.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:07 amAs usual happy, R are only concerned about politics while D are concerned about solving problems. All Obama has to do is articulate this and that won’t be hard given the record of R in this Congress.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:10 amI like Perry just fine. I am not saying that I don’t and I am not sure that the fact that he is from Texas will hurt him either. I think he is way better than Bachmann in fact and Paul hates him…and anyone that Ron Paul dislikes can’t be all bad.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:12 am“That will work well with the base during the nomination fight, but will come back to haunt him in the general.”
Spurty – 69% Say It’s Likely Scientists Have Falsified Global Warming Research. Oh Noes!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/07/is-it-over-for-global-warming-alarmism.php
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:12 amTerrye I guess at the end of the day when all you’s gots is a hammer it’s very similar to the situation we’re in with Mr. Perry
all the other candidates are flat-headed parched midget crippled farm babies who circle ned beatty going ”whee whee whee/ pick me!”
Plus I’m curious who he picks for a running mate I bet you a tasty quesadilla it’s not a fellow candidate.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:12 am“All Obama has to do is articulate this and that won’t be hard given the record of R in this Congress.”
Spvrty – Heh. America is still awaiting Obama secret plan. So far just repetition of prior fairy dust and unicorn farts.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:14 amI for one would like to know what Mr. Perry’s stance is on the coming ice age.
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:16 am*concerned face
Also who has the best crease in their slacks
Debate
As usual happy, R are only concerned about politics while D are concerned about solving problems. All Obama has to do is articulate this and that won’t be hard given the record of R in this Congress.
Comment by Spartacvs — 8/14/2011 @ 10:10 am
I think you made a mistake here…it is the Democrats who are concerned with making problems not solving them.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:16 amSpurtycuss lies as easily as he breathes.
JD (318f81) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:16 amPeople gonna be tuning out the poor misused word “extreme” well before election day I think. When every democrat from the white house all the way down to the local guy cutting the ribbon for a new garbage dump manages to slip in the words “Republican” and “extreme” to every sentence they utter, it becomes an eye roller most normal people. And when the words racist and extreme have lost all their meaning the Dems really have nothing left in their quiver.
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:17 am____________________________________________
As usual happy, R are only concerned about politics while D are concerned about solving problems
LOL!! That comment deserves the biggest laugh and snicker imaginable. It reminds me of the people who say “we’re not liberal, we’re progressive!”
Mark (411533) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:18 amPlus I’m curious who he picks for a running mate I bet you a tasty quesadilla it’s not a fellow candidate.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/14/2011 @ 10:12 am
It would be interesting if it were someone like Mitch Daniels. I have no idea..I am not even sure who will get the nomination. I just hope it is not Michele Bachmann.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:18 amFairy Dust and Unicorn farts have a lot more substance and reality than O’s mystery plan
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:18 amtasty Quesadilla being Mr. Rubio? Now that would be a ticket.
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:19 amI have to get off the net but wanted to say after skimming posts after mine:
I only had a problem with the two people jumping on me. I am sorry to have hijacked the thread into a debate on Mormonism. I was just trying to make a point about Romney not having a chance. I see the same with Bachmann and Santorum.
I agree Paul doesn’t have much of a chance either to win the general election.
I don’t know much about the other candidates. I’ll stick with the basic thought that for the republicans to have any chance at all of beating Obama, they need to do some serious triangulation of their own.
People aren’t going to forget how GW spend a ton on illegal wars while giving tax breaks to the rich. They’re not going to forget the massive number of job losses under the last Republican White House. They may remember how the Clinton Administration did a good job balancing the books.
It’s funny how adamant the right were to get Clinton impeached over a sex scandal but had no problem with there being no weapons of mass destruction. And for those who say the media is biased to the left, check out how often Meet The Press had Dick Cheney on to sell the lies that brought us into a war that those dudes wanted before Sept. 11th even happened. Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11th. People aren’t going to forget that. Now if you can come up with a moderate Republican who has Ron Paul’s anti-war sensibilities to go with let’s say Republican Joe Lieberman or just kidding. Find a normal old-school Republican and you have a chance. But if this is the best you’ve got, Obama is getting another four years. If jobs tick upward and gas prices stabilize and there’s some improvement in public confidence, he’s back. You can do this. But for some odd reason, the Republicans are in a bad slump for coming up with Presidential candidates. It’s like Kerry in 2004. He stunk. All the Dems needed was a live body with a bit of sincerity and smarts, and GW was gone. It’s not like GW won in 2000 or if he did it was by a hair. Sorry for the long paragraph, but you need a better candidate than the current frontrunners. Maybe it’s one of those I admit I don’t know anything about who’ll step forward. If you’re this hateful of libtards and Obama, you better hope that happens.
Prepostericity (b5629b) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:21 amPeople gonna be tuning out the poor misused word “extreme” well before election day I think. When every democrat from the white house all the way down to the local guy cutting the ribbon for a new garbage dump manages to slip in the words “Republican” and “extreme” to every sentence they utter, it becomes an eye roller most normal people. And when the words racist and extreme have lost all their meaning the Dems really have nothing left in their quiver.
Comment by elissa — 8/14/2011 @ 10:17 am
Maybe, but then again the polls lately are showing that people are getting tired of both Obama and the Tea Party. The fact that most of the Tea party caucus voted for the House bill gets lost when it is contrasted with people like Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann refusing to even back Paul Ryan’s bill. Put that together with the people at S&P talking about brinkmanship etc and I think that some of the talk of extremes might stick. Hopefully between now and the election that will have passed.
Terrye (9d8507) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:22 am_____________________________________________
to slip in the words “Republican” and “extreme” to every sentence they utter
And their rhetoric is even more laughable when the guy in the Oval Office — the figurehead of today’s Democrat Party — sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years listening to “Goddamn America…your chickens are coming home to roost!” And not just listening to “goddamn America,” but being so much in sync with such sentiment that he made Wright his close adviser.
Mark (411533) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:23 amI’m guessing Nikki Haley she’s smart and fresh and she solves all the problems associated with not picking Bachmann or Palin (and all of their baggage)
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:23 amMr. Daniels I hope and really kind of expect he finds a place for in his administration
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:25 amNobody is tired of the tea party message, Terrye. They do tire of the caricature of tea partiers presented by the Left and the MFM, a caricature at has little to do with reality. The brinksmanship horror you yammer on and on about was/is simply political cover for them. Barcky is the only one that threatened default, as default as never really an option. But you are helping them greatly in perpetuating that meme.
JD (318f81) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:30 amTerrye is willingly and quite spitefully helping them perpetuating that meme.
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:35 amTerrye – S&P did not use the word “brinkmanship” in their release. That was a Madcow lie. The substance of their release involved the inability to solve our long-term debt and deficit issues, not the debt ceiling debate. Don’t fall for the Democrat and liberal media (BIRM) spin.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:42 am_______________________________________________
69% Say It’s Likely Scientists Have Falsified Global Warming Research. Oh Noes!
And yet Al Gore was raving and ranting the other day about the people who haven’t bought into his BS. Scary to think that such a fool and kook was a breath away from the White House in 2001.
I wish hucksters like him would just go their merry little way — to their big mansions in Santa Barbara, for example — and stay out of public view. I mean, isn’t their wonderful lifestyle of limousine liberalism satisfactory enough for them? Do they have some peculiar need to keep foisting their foolishness onto the public, time and time again?
BTW, the so-called greenhouse effect, or what people experience when getting into their sealed car after it has been sitting in the sun all day, involves tangible, hard-surface, impermeable, physically defined elements that don’t exist in the upper atmosphere of earth. However, there is the phenomenon of heavier air masses above the planet that do cause surface temperatures to increase, through compressional heating. But scientists have yet to make a connection between the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere and the number and strength of areas known as high-pressure cells—or what has been f’ing up Texas and the Midwest over the past several weeks.
Mark (411533) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:43 amAlgore isn’t looking so hot either physically or intellectually any more. I doubt he’s getting many girls these days. Especially when even smart massage therapists have his number.
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:48 amY’all need to stop feeding that troll.
Beldar (485693) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:02 amthe monkey’s hungry
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:09 amthey like to feed that monkey
but monkey he drool
I like Perry too, I just don’t like him all that much. Back in August 2007 he came back from a trip to Mexico and told the press:
But, I suppose he’s like an opportunity to revise and extend his remarks.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:11 amSex crazed poodle theme song “It’s gettin’ hot in here (so hot)”
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:13 amBTW, Marco Rubio isn’t qualified for the VP spot, he isn’t a natural born citizen, his parents weren’t citizens at the time of his US birth.
Respect for the Constitution isn’t a matter of convenience, or of personalities, it’s an either or proposition, you do or you don’t.
And if anyone doesn’t think the Democrats aren’t sufficiently hypocritical to call out Rubio for the same thing they looked the other way on for Obama, you don’t know squat about Democrat mendacity.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:21 amhere mr. ghost you will like this I think
they’re german! I don’t know how you’d ever know by listening.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:21 amPrepostericity – I could not disagree more with your predicate (GOP needs to triangulate in order to beat BHO).
BHO is done. All we need do is not screw it up. Same was true for the Dems following GWB’s second term. All they needed to do was get out of the way as the voters purged the Republicans from the White House and Congress.
The elite pols in the GOP know this and are hell-bent on having a nominee who will not scare folks. Romney and Perry fit the bill well. Bachmann and Santorum and Cain do not.
Ed from SFV (7d7851) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:22 amComment by Ed from SFV @ 11:22 am
And, if the GOP establishment gets their way it will be business as usual in Washington DC.
Government spending will continue to increase, regulations will mount, taxes will go up, the federal government will expand at the expense of State government, illegal immigration will expand, and the TEA Party along with Independents and Conservatives will get short shrift.
Revolving door government elites will win yet again and the American people will continue to suffer under the heal of the their elected oppressors.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:38 amI don’t think the monster truck prayer rally guy is really what the establishment has in mind
I bet McCain’s panties in particular secretly get all kinds of bunchy over Perry
he’s definitely a romney boy I bet
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:44 amhe isn’t a natural born citizen, his parents weren’t citizens at the time of his US birth.
A perfect test-case for SCOTUS to define what is meant in the 14th-A.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:00 pmNo the establishment has blessed Romney. Thing is, presented with the real deal in pastor Perry and a close second in Bachman, I predict the fundies will split off and attempt to kneecap the Mormon. They won’t be so eager to roll over and accept the establishment candidate this time. Not with two Christian rock stars in the game.
Spartacvs (2d9449) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:15 pmropelight, that’s not the definition of “natural born citizen” that would be applied.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:18 pmsparty throne sniffer
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:19 pmhis King Obama is toast
his weenie he roasts
my understanding is that Romney’s vaguely weird in x number of unspecified ways
too risky
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:22 pmDon’t confuse them with facts Mark.
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:30 pmNatural born citizen = born within the jurisdiction of the United States to citizen parents.
The 14th Amendment is irrelevant, it was enacted to clarify the status of former slaves.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:37 pmBeldar,
Can you clarify which troll you’re talking about.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:43 pmThat may be true, rope, but it is used to justify citizen status for the American-born children of illegal aliens.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:47 pmTherefore, it might be a good idea to have SCOTUS flesh-out their thoughts on how the “jurisdiction” clause of the 14th relates to the children of legal, non-citizen, immigrants.
of course Mr. Rubio is eligible his mom and dad fled an island what was chock full of dirty commies to come to America for so Mr. Rubio could be an American citizen!
Just like you and me! Except for the part where our moms and dads fled from dirty commies.
But otherwise it’s the exact same.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:48 pm195…Doubling down on stupid.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:49 pmropelight, nope. That’s not the law. That’s a fabrication from the nuttier Birthers.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:49 pmMy Mom and Dad fled from dirty commies…
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:50 pmthey came from Los Angeles!
Los Angeles is getting scary scary Mr. Drew just anecdotally anyway so many people I know including me are getting robbed almost every day either by the criminals or the cops. It’s different than it used to be even just three years ago. You have to be on your toes all the time.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 12:54 pmfeets, you just can’t imagine how it has changed.
When I was a kid (late 40’s), my sister and I would spend a couple weeks each summer at our Aunt and Uncle’s place in Sherman Oaks with our two cousins. The house was about 3-blocks from the corner of Ventura and Sepulveda. There was a market on that corner, with a walnut grove behind the parking lot where we would scrounge walnuts that had dropped off the trees.
For one week of the stay, we would spend a half-day at a YMCA facility/camp in Coldwater Canyon.
We would walk to Ventura Blvd, catch the bus to Coldwater, and walk up the canyon to the camp – No Adult Supervision Required!
It was a place in a Galaxy far, far away, at a time measured in light-years from today.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:05 pmThanks Happyfeet that’s the best thing I’ve seen all day!
Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:08 pmYes, SPQR, it is the law, however those who need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows have argued the case. Following is from Wikipedia:
The issue is clear as a bell to me, however I do acknowledge others may adhere to a different opinion, which is incorrect and repugnant not only to the intentions of the founders, but also to the very words of the Constitution itself.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:09 pmhah that’s pretty much in my zone Mr. Drew… and even today Sherman Oaks is way more safer than where I live now…
that’s actually a very very boozhy neighborhood now where you used to hang… I go there sometimes mostly cause the smallest whole foods in the whole world is over there
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:15 pmropelight, you seem to have no concern at all for the fact that your own quote contradicts your own comment.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:20 pmAu contraire, SPQR, I’m fully aware that both sides of the dispute are represented in the above quote, and I said so. Here’s another quote which explains the provenence of the troublsome phrase, also from Wikipedia:
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 1:57 pmMarco Rubio doesn’t have POTUS or VP aspirations.
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:08 pmthat’s part of why I think all signs are pointing to Nikki
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:12 pmropelight, its clear that a naturalized citizen is ineligible. The idea that anyone born in the US would not be a “natural born” citizen is just silly, especially after the Wick Ho case.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:14 pmRe: post #206…
you jus shouldn’t be
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:20 pmtawlkin’ like’at, you jest a
a dang boy, there Drew
So, SPQR, would you include the anchor baby of illegal aliens?
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:24 pmropelight, yes. Notice that when Chester Arthur was running for President and people wanted to attack him as not being “natural born”, the claim was that he was not born in the US ( generally held to be false – he was born in Vermont ) but no one claimed that he was not natural born due to his father being Irish – as he was – and with no record of naturalization.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:28 pmAm I the only one that saw this photo, and liked Michelle Bachmann more? She is a great looking woman, with life experience outside the normal politician skillset. That said, a tip for future corndog eaters of both sexes: eat it like a cob or corn.
Timesdisliker (a6572f) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:33 pmmercy
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:36 pmYou mean SpartacVS?
DohBiden (d54602) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:42 pmSPQR, you’re familiar with the claim that Chester Arthur paid agents provocateur to spread those easily refuted charges to draw attention away from his father’s disqualifying lack of US citizenship at the time of Arthur’s birth?
Obama’s co-conspirators used a very similar diversion: questions surrounding his place of birth.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 2:57 pmChester probably hired that despicable Pinkerton…
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 3:06 pmoh…didn’t he work for Honest Abe?
Actually, Another Drew, the truth is much worse. Allan Pinkerton married Chester Arthur’s daughter, Pinkerton was Arthur’s son-in-law.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 3:33 pmropelight, rather typically of Birther nonsense, is that it makes no sense to say that the allegations of Arthur’s Canadian birth would draw attention away from his father’s lack of US citizenship.
This is what is consistent, the only consistency, in Birther nonsense – a basic apathy ot any attempt at logic. I’ve never seen a single Birther theory that didn’t contradict itself at least twice and describe a Moebius strip of misshapen “logic”.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/14/2011 @ 3:42 pmSPQR, think again. And BTW why you repeat the “Birther” smear? Are you similarly disposed to refer to TEA Party patriots as “teabaggers?”
See what I’m gettin’ at here?
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 4:11 pmTimesdisliker @220 – I’ll bet Hillary can’t do that.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 4:35 pmropelight, that boat sailed, sunk, and refloated again, the problem is what Obama believes, who have
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 4:45 pmfacilitated his rise to power, and how they benefited from it,
ian, I have no delusions that any redress will be forthcoming, certainly not prior to the 2012 elections. But, I do believe the issue should be clarified before Marco Rubio decides to run for higher office. We don’t need any more of this.
ropelight (08a4e2) — 8/14/2011 @ 4:58 pmrope….I knew I liked Allen Pinkerton the first time I laid eyes on him.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:01 pmdaley…@228…there’s got to be some reason Bubba put up with her crap?
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:03 pmShould have stuck with the fried twinkie, less misunderstanding that way.
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:05 pmone helluva pic
ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff) — 8/14/2011 @ 5:31 pmtimesguy thank your lucky stars
she don’t like mayo
weiners on all the
elissa (e0d4ef) — 8/14/2011 @ 6:45 pmthreads now? ladies not safe at
pattericos place
All the Dems needed was a live body with a bit of sincerity and smarts, and GW was gone. It’s not like GW won in 2000 or if he did it was by a hair.
Comment by Prepostericity — 8/14/2011 @ 10:21 am
LOL, you dolt, Bush kept winning in every single one of the recounts and Gore’s slimy attorneys still kept calling for more recounts, until it went to the Supreme Court, where, in exasperation with Gore and his slimy attorneys, SCOTUS ruled that Bush won …., and oh yeah, that Gore lost.
Deal with it, fool.
(Never mind that, since then, even more so than previously, Al Gore has shown repeatedly that he is mentally ill and emotionally unstable, and like you, a compulsive and pathological liar, also. You dolt, you aren’t even rational.)
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:24 pmThe few wires that algore had connected were fried by the SCOTUS decision.
All he’s been able to do for the last 10 years is to mutter, scowl, and cry: It was supposed to be mine….Mine….Mine!
Oh, and to lie about globalbaloney or something, conning the gullible into giving him millions of Dollars, and some cheesy awards.
It must have really fried him when the British Courts…the Brits of all people…decided that there were so much bending of the facts in his film that contrary information HAD to be provided alongside his propaganda for a Fair & Balanced presentation.
Oh, the Humanity!
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (8bcded) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:40 pmThe ironic thing is, I bet if Clinton had resigned and Gore ascended to the presidency he would have won reelection in 2000.
But then, if that had happened, it would have meant that the Dem Party is something different than it is, which might not have been so bad, but it’s not.
MD in Philly (cd9679) — 8/14/2011 @ 7:59 pmThat’s really the mirror universe, with Bearded Spock, and Sulu brandishing a cutlass,
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:01 pmi don’t know, its hard to call it completely meaningless given that pawlenty apparently dropped out after doing badly in it.
I think i feel more like… well, why do we care about it? but obviously someone does care about it?
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 8/14/2011 @ 8:54 pmAaron, last time, Romney won the straw poll, Huck won the caucus, and mcCain won the nomination, in part because his firewall was S. Carolina.
ian cormac (81c5c2) — 8/14/2011 @ 9:04 pmelissa – Look for that picture on Newsweek’s next cover.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/14/2011 @ 10:33 pmI’m still trying to figure out how you fry ice cream.
I’ll be up all night worrying about that one.
Dave Surls (11890c) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:24 pmAnd, what’s Prepostericity doing here? I thought he had to take it on the lam, and flee to Aegentina, on account of he was being sued by Brett Kimberlin (convicted felon, general all around scumbag, lowlife and moral degenerate) for defamation and restraint of trade…or something like that.
Dave Surls (11890c) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:30 pm’m still trying to figure out how you fry ice cream.
Comment by Dave Surls — 8/14/2011 @ 11:24 pm
I’m trying to figure out why anyone would want to…ew! LOL
ppk_pixie (1df0c8) — 8/14/2011 @ 11:35 pmDessert. Because man can not live on corn dogs and hush puppies alone.
ropelight (b80e6b) — 8/15/2011 @ 4:38 amMaybe not corn dogs, but pizza and cheesebugers fer sure.
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/15/2011 @ 5:27 am* cheeseburgers *
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/15/2011 @ 5:29 amBest cheeseburgers in Southern California, heads up aficionados, are to be found in Pasadena. Best standard American style burgers since 1948 at the original In-N-Out on East Foothill.
(Best gourmet style burger was at Continental Burger on South Lake. Although recent reports indicate CB has gone downhill. I can’t confirm because I don’t live on South Los Robles anymore, now I live in SW Florida where we deep fry out cheeseburgers. Yum!
ropelight (b80e6b) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:09 amOh nooos, southwest Florida for real???
Sarasota? Venice? Port Charlotte? Naples? Key West?
Summit, NJ (75c9eb) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:34 amI have a pity almost akin to an evangelist seeing a lost soul when I hear you poor folks not know the joys of fried ice cream.
It’s like someone asking why anyone would like bacon.
Here’s a video about how to make it.
They have no imagination, though. Once you get the essential process you can really get creative.
Dustin (b7410e) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:38 amDave…
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (61abdc) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:38 amIt sounds like deep-fried ice-cream is just a short-cut to Baked Alaska, without the brandy/Cognac – and that is a true crime.
Baked Alaska is great, but meringue is time consuming to make.
But in both cases, this is all about texture.
Dustin (b7410e) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:41 amropelight, “teabagger” is a sexual innuendo. “Birther” is not. And I find Birthers to be largely of a kind in abandoning all logic to wallow in their conspiracy theories. When a Birther puts out a single, coherent theory that actually matches the facts – rather than label speculation and fantasy as fact – and does not invent law out of whole cloth, I might not so ridicule them. Until then, I will.
SPQR (a408ec) — 8/15/2011 @ 9:49 amSo, ‘Teabagger’ is bad, too sexy, but ‘Birther’ is just fine and dandy, logical, descriptive, accurate, and deserved, says the guy who believes the US Constitution’s provision reserving the office of the President exclusively to natural born citizens was merely the Founders way of making sure the children of illegal aliens were eligible for the highest elected office in the good old USA. So saith SPQR.
That kind of blinkered thinking is what passes for a logical reading of our most important foundation document for a guy who supposedly opposes conflating fantasy with fact and who doesn’t go around inventing law out of whole cloth.
Normally, I’d be ROTFLMAO at the mere suggestion of such an insanely ignorant delusion, but since our White House is today occupied by exactly the sort of unacceptable individual, (albeit an elected one to the shame and detriment of our nation), which the Founders intended to exclude, it’s vital we put the petty name calling aside, or ignore those who won’t, and confront the provisions of Article II, Section I, with honesty and forthrightness.
ropelight (c63139) — 8/16/2011 @ 7:10 am