Terror Strikes Mumbai
[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here. Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]
This time it was a triple bombing, leaving 21 killed and 113 injured:
Three near-simultaneous explosions have shaken India’s commercial capital Mumbai (Bombay), police say.
Twenty-one people were killed and 113 injured, said Maharashtra state’s Chief Minister, Prithviraj Chavan.
He called the explosions, during Mumbai’s busy evening rush-hour, “a co-ordinated attack by terrorists”.
One explosion was reported in the Zaveri Bazaar, another in the Opera House business district and a third in Dadar district in the city centre.
Police sources were reported as saying the explosions were caused by home-made bombs.
The attacks are the deadliest in Mumbai since November 2008 when 10 gunmen launched a three-day co-ordinated raid in which 166 people were killed.
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By the way, a thought question for the left. The left always claims that Islamofascist terrorism is motivated by oppression. But if that is the case, why are they carrying out their attacks in almost every country in the world? Why is it that they find some excuse to kill everywhere?
No, no, this is about spreading their fascist interpretation of Islam. Nothing more, nothing less.
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]
Wherever you find a sizable Muslim Minority — you have lots of problems. And the more sizable the minority — the worse the problems.
Sorry but facts are facts.
Sponge Bob Square Pants (786e37) — 7/13/2011 @ 4:46 pmROPMA.
islime is the religion of pieces, founded by a child molesting pervert and based on terror, ignorance, hate, misogyny and barbarism.
Lan Astaslem.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 7/13/2011 @ 4:53 pmIt must have been those damn rastas
/Sarcasm off
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:00 pmThese are the people, that Defense Minister Mukhtar said they would stop fighting, if we cut funds to Pakistan, LeT, HuM, Indian Mujahadin, whatever they call themselves this week.
ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:04 pmDefense Minister should be considered a part of Al Qaeda.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:20 pmThe second largest Muslim population in the world, by only a million, is in India. Pakistan is about equal in population to the Muslims of India.
India is free market and capitalist, a big change from the Congress Party days. As a result, it is growing rapidly into a world power. Pakistan is threatened by India’s success. There was a time when India was hostile and Pakistan friendly as only a weak country that needs protection can be friendly.
It is time to cut Pakistan loose. That means getting out of Afghanistan quickly, by next summer anyway. Pakistan has its hand on the oxygen hose to our troops in Afghanistan and we need to get it off.
India is friendly and an ally. Pakistan is not.
One interesting example of this is the story of a young Indian-American who, after getting a degree in molecular biology from Johns Hopkins, decided to become an army officer. He had a blog while serving in Iraq. It was front page news in India and he was as close to a national hero in India as any US army officer could be.
He finished his tour and has gone on with his life but his blog is worth reading.
Mike K (8f3f19) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:27 pmThe head of intelligence better not reveal who is behind this or he’ll be whacked just like the last guy. They are so afraid of the truth coming out, true cowards.
bob jones (0aac0c) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:48 pmif we’re gonna cuut and run from Afghanistan we should put a bullet in Karzai’s head and distribute lots of weapons
just to see what happens
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:56 pm*cut* and run I mean
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:56 pmmister obama
ColonelHaiku (cc5c75) — 7/13/2011 @ 5:59 pmred lights are blinking will you
be asleep at wheel?
Pakistan begs to differ. Next round of Pakistan-India peace talks is scheduled July 26.
The peace process between the two countries is very fragile at this point, and certainly the Manmohan Singh government will try hard to sustain it. Pakistani leaders have said that India should continue engagement disregarding terrorism since both countries are facing the same menace. Repeatedly, their message has been that India should cut them some slack on the Mumbai attacks because they suffer similar attacks all the time.
Dana (4eca6e) — 7/13/2011 @ 6:00 pmRemember that Bush administration that did not “do” diplomacy? That was the administration that converted India from a Russian ally just one step from a Warsaw Pact member (remember that they built MiG’s and T72 tanks under license and drove Soviet built ships and submarines) to a US ally.
That’s the alliance that Obama – the supposed foreign relations genius who had zero foreign relations experience, such that he had to recruit the dumbest Vice President in history – is screwing up.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/13/2011 @ 6:02 pmbig philosopher!
ColonelHaiku (cc5c75) — 7/13/2011 @ 6:03 pmwho is Barry Obama
thinking he is… Kant?
he destroyed nation
ColonelHaiku (cc5c75) — 7/13/2011 @ 6:05 pmZero preyed on our fears the
silly sumbitch him
Hmm, wonder what Pakistan has to do with this, Dana. The government or the anti-government forces pulled this off?
Patricia (b22c5c) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:07 pmMike K, sweet link, thanks for sharing.
Dustin (b7410e) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:09 pmI have yet to meet anyone who uses stronger language to warn of the spread of Islam than an East Indian (migrated to the U.S., now a proud citizen) co-worker of mine who knows what has gone on in India for the last thousand years. Indian Muslims build their mosques and put temples, churches and synagogues to the torch.
ColonelHaiku (cc5c75) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:11 pmIgnatius’s latest, ‘BloodMoney’ is kind of cryptic, but it suggests that the ISI is at least in arms
ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:13 pmlength contact with groups like those I mentioned
in the earlier post,
Isn’t comparing Islam to fascism redundant?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:36 pmNo. Fascism is a Marxist heresy, and has no connection to Islam. The Islamofascist movement is a blending of the two, born in the 1930s.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:49 pm“No, no, this is about spreading their fascist interpretation of Islam. Nothing more, nothing less.”
Aaron – Is there anything which convinces you the above interpretation of Islam is not correct and that other interpretations are doing it wrong?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:52 pmAlso, not all Islamist are fascists; many are just old-fashioned Wahhabis or other fundamentalists, like the Almohades 800 years ago. The Islamic-fascist movement has for most of its history been rather secular, as befits a philosophy derived from Marxism; Saddam Hussein, for instance, was not very religious for most of his career, and seems to have only really “found Allah” in his last decade or so. So the distinction between Islamists and Islamofascists is meaningful.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/13/2011 @ 7:54 pm“The Islamic-fascist movement has for most of its history been rather secular, as befits a philosophy derived from Marxism; Saddam Hussein, for instance, was not very religious for most of his career”
Milhouse – I would call Hussein a nationalist or Arab-fascist rather than an Islamic-fascist exactly for the reasons you point out. You seem overly concerned with the label rather than the substance of a country governed according to Islamic principles. As you point out, the term fascism arose fairly recently, but there are examples of Islamic states centuries ago. Were they merely totalitarian rather than fascist?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/13/2011 @ 8:01 pmThe Baath was certainly an import by Aflaq, who studied in Europe, in the 30s, And Saddam’s uncle
ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/13/2011 @ 8:13 pmwas a footsoldier in Rashid Ghailani’s Goldens Square movement, but they were more secular.
Exactly. Islamofascism is not just a meaningless term of abuse; it’s a precise designation, for a movement that genuinely does derive in part from European fascism, which in turn derives from Marxism. The Almohades, for instance, were decidedly not fascist, and it would be wrong to call them that.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/13/2011 @ 8:28 pmThe Baath and the Moslem Brotherhood are both fascist movements; the Baath is (or was originally) fairly but not completely secular, while the Brotherhood is more religious. But the Brotherhood has far more in common with the Baath than it does with the Almohades or the Wahhabis.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/13/2011 @ 8:33 pmMilhouse – Again, I disagree. After WWII there were various Arab nationalist movements which might be described as fascist, but Islam shares many of the same characteristics as fascism. Ignore when the term fascism came into common usage and focus on the substance. Substitute Islam for fascism’s focus on nationalism and the similarities are obvious.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/13/2011 @ 9:07 pmExactly and Islam is not a religion of peace even if Bush said so.
Millhouse Islam is fascism.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/13/2011 @ 9:52 pmI don’t think it does. Not even the fanatical sort that Mohammed himself taught.
In what way? It seems to me that you’re just using “fascism” as a meaningless term of abuse. It has a precise definition, and some Islamists fit it while others don’t.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/13/2011 @ 10:07 pmWell, respectfully, Milhouse, I’ll disagree, the Ikwan is much more closely tied to the Wahhabis
ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/13/2011 @ 10:11 pmby philosophical orientation, although Mawdudi
and Afghani may have been intermediaries, that’s probably too ‘deep in the weeds’
I’m using it as a term of abuse?
Sick and tired of the dhimmis on the right being afraid of offending muslims.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/13/2011 @ 10:31 pm“I don’t think it does.”
Milhouse – Fine. I suggested you compare elements of both for similarities.
Authoritarian
Intolerant in social matters
Racist, intolerant of the “other”
Expansionist
Nationalist(Islamist)
Add more to the list….
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/13/2011 @ 10:36 pm“It has a precise definition”
Milhouse – That is a laughable statement given how fascism morphed over time.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/13/2011 @ 10:39 pmNone of those are necessary features of fascism.
“Authoritarian” describes 99% of governments that have existed in the world; the idea that people ought as a matter of principle to be allowed to make for themselves as many decisions as possible is only a few centuries old, and has never reached large parts of the world.
If by “intolerance” you mean prudery, I don’t believe either Italian fascism or its step-sibling German national socialism were particularly prudish.
Racism is certainly not a feature of fascism.
Expansionism and nationalism are two more features that are found in almost every philosophy of government. “Manifest destiny”, anyone? And “nationalism” is just another word for “patriotism”, which is a civic virtue to everybody except lefty internationalists whom we despise.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/14/2011 @ 8:52 amComment by ColonelHaiku — 7/13/2011 @ 7:11 pm
I always remember what a very liberal Dutch acquaintance told me after Pim Fortun was assassinated. She asked her westernized Muslim friends if they would have voted for him. “Of course,” they said, “We know what the radicals can do!”
This statement seriously messed with my Dutch friend’s liberal head.
Patricia (b22c5c) — 7/14/2011 @ 8:57 amDoes anyone find the guy in the picture with a wide grin odd? I looked at the link and it is the same there. If I had just survived a bombing, I guess I might be grinning. Looks photoshopped to me. Perhaps me being paranoid
FLBuckeye (c846f2) — 7/14/2011 @ 3:31 pmIslam and marxism are compatible as a syncretic movement.
But millhouse’s argument boils down to this Islam is not fascist because I say it isn’t.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/14/2011 @ 3:36 pmI think that’s the heart of it.
Fascism’s definition has changed all the way from being a good thing akin to e pluribus unum to a variety of oppressions. Totalitarianism and nationalism is what most folks on the street would think it means. Some on the right would define it as state control of enterprises.
But one thing is pretty clear, Islamofascism is real. It describes an actual problem with the world.
Dustin (b7410e) — 7/14/2011 @ 4:12 pm“It has a precise definition”
Milhouse – Please provide the precise definition of fascism along with the source you use.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2011 @ 5:41 pmMilhouse @34 – Not at all a refutation, sorry. By intolerance, I did not necessarily mean prudery.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2011 @ 5:47 pmIslam and fascism are perfectly capable of coexisting just like islam and marxism despite the second being a syncretic movement.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 7/14/2011 @ 5:50 pmYou want a definition of fascism? The most important feature of fascism is corporatism: the idea that the whole nation is one body, and must work together to achieve its goals. Individual members of the nation must subordinate themselves and their own goals completely to the nation, and take the brain’s orders just as each part of a body does. There is no such thing as a private sphere, just as the little toe has no secrets from the brain. And of course all body parts can be sacrificed for the good of the whole person (which is to say the brain). In a well-fed and -rested body, each part benefits and gets a healthy blood supply, and it can glory in having done its part well. A limb that starts pursuing its own goals, contrary to those of the body as a whole, is cancerous and must be amputated.
A fascist system will tend to be characterised by big businesses and big unions, who come together to work for the common good, under the Supreme Leader’s guidance of course. Small businesses and independent workers can’t be controlled so easily, so they’re discouraged, unless they’re loyal to their “leaders”, i.e. the big businesses and unions. Other cultural organisations, such as religions, are likewise centralised and their “leaders” work together with the other leaders for the nation’s good, under the Supreme Leader.
The New Deal was fascism lite. The “national summits” called by such leaders as Bob Hawke and Bill Clinton share some of this same idea. So do many “third way” movements that arise from time to time.
Environmentalism and nature-worship hasn’t got much to do with fascism proper, but it’s flows from a similar aesthetic, subordinating ourselves to a Greater Goal; earth-worship can also be an extreme form of nationalism, serving the literal country rather than its people. (Gaianism would then be an international version of that; perhaps suited to an age when we think of our planet as one among many.)
None of this contradicts Islam; nor does it have very much to do with Islam. Submission to the Umma is consistent with submission to Allah, but it’s not necessary. But in the 20th century some Moslems studied fascism and admired it, allied themselves with the European fascists, and imported that ideology into the Middle East. Their ideological descendants are the Islamofascists of today.
Meanwhile there are many other Islamists who don’t care about the Umma or Leadership; they just want to force everyone to submit to Allah,
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/14/2011 @ 8:08 pmand so long as you do that they don’t care if you submit to anyone else. They’re just as dangerous to us, but they’re not fascists.
Wow, that was way longer than it seemed when I typed it. Sorry, everyone. Don’t bother reading it if you don’t want to, it isn’t terribly relevant to the topic.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/14/2011 @ 8:10 pmThat just shows what happens when you get me going.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 7/14/2011 @ 8:11 pmMilhouse @42 – That sounds very authoritarian.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2011 @ 11:26 pmIslamofascism is an entire society submitting to totalitarian sharia.
E pluribis unum taken to the nth degree.
That’s what I mean when I say the term, for the most part, but that isn’t always what everyone else has in mind. Fair or not, a lot of times they just mean totalitarian.
I’m not sure you’re using the term ‘Islamist’ properly. That’s a political term. People wanting to impose Islamic law over a society, at the government level, will be controlling the entire society for the purpose of submission.
You have to do a lot of hair splitting to explain why that’s not fascism. It’s not even possible with the looser definition most understand the term as.
Dustin (b7410e) — 7/15/2011 @ 12:49 amYou shouldn’t apologize for that kind of detailed discussion of your views.
And I think understanding what Islamofacism is, and why it’s murdering people in India who were minding their own business, is actually pretty important.
Dustin (b7410e) — 7/15/2011 @ 12:50 amIt is important to understanding their motivations.
Regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I thought the motivation over Palestinian terrorism was over settlements.
But a series of terrorist attacks (Khobar Towers, embassies in Tanzania and Krnyas, USS Cole, 9/11, Mohammed cartoons, burning of the Quran) enlightened me.
They will not stop attacking us merely because Israel withdraws the settlements, or even merely because Israel ceases to exist.
They want all Jews dead, just like David Jakubovic was in 1944. They want all girls and women held captive and repeated beaten and raped, just like Jaycee Lee Dugard was from 1991 to 2009.
The very fact that we allow Jews to live, instead of herding them into gas chambers, is what incites them to terrorism.
The very fact that we allow girls and women to walk free, instead of turning them over to nithings like Philip Garrido, is what incites them to terrorism.
Michael Ejercito (64388b) — 7/15/2011 @ 3:06 amReally Sad for India!!! This is the only place – Zaveri Bazaar in World that 3 times bomb explosive happened… please IB of India do something with all the things.. still so many cases are pending like in Pune German backery, Varansi Blast, etc…
Neha (a566ca) — 7/15/2011 @ 5:45 amYe Indian government ke weakness ka result hai .government should take strict action against terrorism.
Shyju (bf1314) — 7/16/2011 @ 8:19 amOh – the terrorists probably want to distract everyone from China’s military buildup.
Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a) — 7/17/2011 @ 2:53 pm