The Purpose of This Post is Not to Show Congressman Weiner Being Evasive…
[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here. Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]
…or to point out that Weiner all but admits taking a photograph of himself like the infamous picture. That’s all there, of course, but only mildly interesting given what has gone before.
No, the purpose of this post is to show you how much Rachel Maddow is his lapdog in this interview.
Seriously, jump ahead to about 4:10 in the clip and watch her work her way up to the question of whether the photo is of him. The most shameful moment is when she says, “let me ask you whether you want to answer that question…”
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Now, truthfully no reporter can coerce cooperation. This isn’t like court where if a person is called to testify (and can’t invoke a privilege against testimony, such as the privilege against self-incrimination), the judge can throw that person in jail for contempt until his or her tongue loosens. But that is not the attitude a reporter should take, especially when dealing with a public official. The attitude you should take is that the people have a right to know the answers to these questions. By asking him for permission to ask a question, she is demonstrating that she has no business claiming to be a reporter, who fearlessly pursues the truth, and as appropriate speaks truth to power. She demonstrates that she is a lapdog, at least for one political party.
As for Weiner, may I suggest that if you are not following Lee’s twitter feed (@stranahan) you really, really should be. He is pursuing an interesting theory that on one hand might exonerate Weiner of the charge of sending the pic, but also might explain why he is acting like he has something to hide. It’s just a theory, but it would very eloquently explain what we are seeing.
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]
Why is this news?
Pantywad (20e120) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:50 amThey ask us, to believe, as Lewis Carroll, put it’
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:57 amsix ridiculous things before breakfast’ the proper
response to Weiner, is to state flat out, ‘Who do you think you’re fooling Congressman, don’t waste
our time, fess up’
when Rachel Maddow is willingly spreading her legs for you this is a sign that you’re not living right
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:00 am“Pantywad” – is someone forcing you to read this?
JD (306f5d) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:05 amThat’s disturbing in ways I can’r even imagine,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:05 ampikachu.
Ron is warning of a “Dictatorship” in Washington as he embraces Iowa on the campaign trail
yeah… no kidding
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:05 amhappy…
oy that is an ugly mental image.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:10 amYou know, a woman named Carin(the Hostages, Is this blog on) that some folks here know from other sites made a very good point this morning in another thread.
If Weiner was “hacked” as he contends, then why didn’t the perpatrator(s) send this picture far and wide to all his followers; why did they only choose one?
That’s something you’ll not hear the rank partisan Ms. Maddow even broach as she puts on her leading, but both transparently supportive and defensive, “interview” with Wunder-Weiner…
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:12 amShe’s not a reporter and never pretended to be. You Fox watchers seem to never understand the difference between actual news reporting, and people who host political opinion shows.
Kman (5576bf) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:20 amI can state with unequivocal certitude that is not my crank.
JD (306f5d) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:25 amWhen did Rachel MadCow switch teams?
JD (b98cae) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:26 amBob
well, the obvious answer is to incriminate the weiner.
and mind you, EVERYONE following the twitter feed could see it. that’s around 40,000 people.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:28 amI think 40,000 seems high – I can’t imagine any but a small fraction of people who sign up for twitter are actually checking it all that frequently – and the ones that are have to be super careful cause someone can easily hack you and send photos of your penis to your mom or whatever
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:42 amGood point Aaron, being only an occasional user I had forgotten some of the dynamics of twitter.
Or is it “the Twitter” 🙂
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:42 amLee’s theory only makes as much sense as the theory that someone had his password.
The URL part of the theory holds no water. Different browsers see the URL differently.
Sorry.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 7:46 ammaybee
and he suggests that maybe the hacker was someone that weiner had previously sent the photo in question to…
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:00 amTeh Twitter, Senor Reed. And it is of the devil.
JD (29e1cd) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:04 amIMO there was no hacker. Occam, and all that.
JD (d48c3b) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:06 amYes, that could be. But the email method doesn’t make that any more likely. The email method is no easier than getting someone’s twitter and/or yfrog password.
The proof being used to support the email theory is bunk. The URL isn’t a real issue.
So it’s just another theory that someone “hacked” or “pranked” Anthony Weiner. Because it is so very unlikely he just meant to DM his own crotch shot to a girl he had time-checked in an earlier tweet.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:06 amYeah, the URL aspect of the theory is not nearly as concrete as they are pretending. It sure doesn’t prove Weiner was framed, nor does it even prove the email uploader was used. It’s hard to accept the theory when they claim it proves something it doesn’t.
Furthermore, there are other indications the email uploader was not used, such as Weiner’s comments about his familiarity with yfrog (it doesn’t appear he logged in and activated that uploader, so the uploader would need his twitter login anyway) and the lack of text or “none” in the photo laden tweet.
My guess is that there are many interfaces for twitter that operate in various ways, and thus we can’t prove how the pic was uploaded, or recreate that upload in the exact same way on every platform such that it looks exactly right on every platform.
Basically like everything else on the internet.
Also, didn’t Breitbart’s people talk to Patriot USA? And hasn’t he been pretty ccoperative?
Anyway, Maybee is correct that the ‘theory’ identical to someone having Weiner’s password. It’s not much of a theory, then. It relies on a lot of guesses, and while it makes a really interesting narrative of sex and sleaze, it simply rests on too many assumptions. This whole thing being planned out seems much less likely than Weiner simply accidentally sending the pic in the open when he meant to in private.
Also, the ‘accident’ theory lines up neatly with Weiner’s behavior with young women and his anger, evasion, and refusal to prove his IP didn’t send the pic. It’s not impossible he ticked off one of his groupies, but why wouldn’t he at least have Twitter note it wasn’t his IP that did this? That wouldn’t shed light on some girlfriend who masterminded the ‘framing’.
But yeah, Lee Stranahan’s coverage is interesting. I think his twitters on this are difficult to follow (mainly because it’s twitter), but his blog is better.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:07 amYes, the theory really doesn’t make Weiner look better, and it’s a good faith attempt to work out what happened. It just relies on a lot of assumptions. All we really know is that Weiner practically admits to taking the shot and refuses to shed like on why his accounts sent it to young ladies.
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Oh, and this is the best blog post on the topic so far, because it focuses like a laser on the really interesting aspect: how the media shills for him. Rachel Maddow, known as extremely harsh as a critique, is asking permission to ask a question? LOL. It’s utterly pathetic. She makes Hannity look like a professor of journalism.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:09 amThis post causes gorebull warming which causes 70 degree weather in the spring,the year without a winter,heat waves in the summer,the next ice age and all that.
/Sarcasm
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:12 amThank you for explaining that so clearly. You are saying what I would say if I were able to communicate.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:16 amOops. That’s to Dustin.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:16 amI agree with dustin.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:19 amThat’s very kind of you Maybee, though I think you are easy to understand.
It’s still an interesting theory, and I do really appreciate that Lee Stranahan has integrity.
I just think they are mistaking an assumption for facts. Also, Cannon appears to be a tad touchy about it, deleting criticisms and simply repeating something is proven that hasn’t been.
And isn’t that how people often act when they try to defend a more complex explanation resting on assumptions? That’s harder to do. It looks like Weiner goofed up and sent a private message publicly because that’s where the few proven facts lead us. Ace has very smartly explained why we shouldn’t discount the simple and obvious explanations.
Lee’s attempt to follow every lead is a credit to him, but it his theory actually conflicts with many facts.
For example, how would you behave if a congressperson sent you a picture of them in their underwear out of the blue? Would you immediately start deleting all your accounts, get in touch with that congressperson’s staff/lawyers, and then put out an evasive statement denying specifics like affairs?
Her behavior is just not in line with this jilted girlfriend theory.
Why did Ginger Lee, the porn star of Teenage Whores and Legal at Last boasting of their private messages for months, refuse to say what the content of those messages were when asked if they were sext type messages? Granted, this aspect works fine with Lee’s theory, where Weiner sends pics out to a lot of people, can’t recall which are his, and some of the girls get mad eventually.
Let’s not forget, however, that this Patriot USA person is a real person and we shouldn’t make allegations about him that are unfair. I think this is the core of Lee’s suspicion. Patriot USA’s metadata wasn’t what Lee expected, and Patriot USA’s point that he saw a picture for a few seconds, that was then removed, suggests he was either very closely monitoring the feed, or is mistaken (as it’s difficult to know how long an image was up… I guess?).
Is Patriot USA’s behavior better explained by him being a very zealous critic of Rep Weiner, or by him being secretly an ex girlfriend of Weiner’s who hacked his accounts and is stringing us all along?
Think about it.
If Lee’s wrong, that guy has a legitimate beef.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:38 amThe problem with an email hack, the hacker would have to change the password.
But Weiner logged on without knowing this new password only moments after the picture went out.
There would be a trail of rapid password changes, wouldn’t there.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:45 amDid Madcow actually say something? All I heard was “mmmph, mmmph, slurp, aaahhhhh.”
Ralph Gizzip (5ab3ea) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:46 amDid Madcow actually say something? All I heard was “mmmph, mmmph, slurp, aaahhhhh.”
Comment by Ralph Gizzip
A service she only provides to beta males.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:51 ampapertiger, that’s another good point. Weiner spent three hours off twitter, and then the penis photo sends out, and he’s there right at that moment, to delete it.
That fact suggests the simple explanation, that he sent the pic to the wrong recipient (everyone) on accident, rather than some jilted girlfriend we have no basis to even know exists took on the persona of a conservative for a while and then hacked his stuff with secret access email or password, and he just happened to be present at that moment, against some odds.
There are so many little details like that. It becomes convoluted and tedious to go through them all, every time a new theory comes out, with the mission of disproving any possible scenario other than this obvious one.
Of course, that’s Weiner’s fault, since he could have Twitter look into the “hack” and note if a different IP sent the pic.
BTW, emails have IP addresses too.
“let me ask you whether you want to answer that question…” sure does carry the aura you suggest it does.
Mr Anthony ‘maybe that’s my penis’ Weiner, sir, let me ask you if you want me to ask you a question, sir. Why don’t you just take this pen and paper and write the questions you want me to ask, sir? I’m Rachel Maddow, the pit bull of cable TV, smirking at my superiority to other journalists, sir, if you want me to.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:55 amI thought i heard Madslow say something like,I love kinky foreplay involving that Maobama doll.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:59 amHas Teh Twitter said there were hacks or password issues yet?
JD (b98cae) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:00 amCompare and contrast Rep Lee and Rep Weiner.
JD (d48c3b) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:02 amDustin’s 8:38 is very good.
And I don’t want to totally dismiss the idea of a hack/prank by a spurned lover or a political adversary. That would be the more modern equivalent of what happened with Mark Foley.
Someone in his office got a relatively benign email from a high school aged page and passed it on to Dem operatives.
Just prior to the election, a Dem activist anonymously set up a fake blog about Congressional child abusers. “Someone” then sent in the information from the email from Foley’s office. Once that got attention, someone else- pages from another year- provided their online sex chat transcripts. It’s not hard to imagine if Twitter were more active then (did it exist?), it would have been the chosen method to disclose.
So it isn’t impossible, and spurned lovers and politicians will do almost anything to hurt their opponents.
But an errant DM is still the explanation that fits all the known facts, including the #545 tweet, which was retweeted, but was entirely coincidental (and unexplained) according to Weiner.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:02 amI can’t recall where, but I read one blogger who got a response from twitter after asking point blank. They refuse to answer these questions. Obviously because Weiner doesn’t want them to.
You know, Weiner has power over Twitter based on his energy and commerce oversight.
We get the government we deserve. NY should toss this sleaze. Though they seem to have a particularly bad problem with this lately.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:04 amImagine if a conservative congresscritter had carried on making weiner and dick jokes in front of Emily Miller the way Weinerhole did.
JD (85b089) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:10 amJD- the jokes to female reporters are shocking to me. Imagine even if an NFL football player did that in the locker room. Oh- that did happen, and it was a huge scandal.
I guess, though, that because Weiner is pro-women’s rights it isn’t hypocritical for him to make lewd comments to female reporters. Or something.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:16 amGreetings:
What Ms? Maddow did, besides disturbing your ethical sense, reveals the fundamental corruption of the media business. The media, and more importantly, its apparatchiks, need access to celebrities and politicians alike. No access, no product, no sales, no progress along the road to the pot of gold at the end of the media career rainbow. Politicians may be more constrained in their selection process than celebrities, but they have cards to play and are usually fairly well advised on how to play them.
11B40 (d31160) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:17 amSorry, but I think Stranahan is full of [deleted]. Trying to come up with convoluted explanations why Weener might be innocent is just useless and stupid when the obvious answer is the most simple one, he sent it himself. Every dishonest, weaseling person who has ever sent out an embarrassing email, text, tweet, whatever or been caught with child porn or other illegal materials on their computer claims “HACKED!”. Law enforcement takes a dim view. You are NOT innocent until proven guilty, you are assumed to be responsible for your own social media/computer/phone/blackberry and anything emanating from it is assumed to come from you unless proven otherwise. Stunts like Stanahan’s just serve to cloud the water and obfuscate. Let Weener explain how someone could have “hacked” into a twitter feed he was using right before and after the incident. He is an enemy who would pounce on any Republican who had this happen and would attempt to destroy him: he deserves what he gets. Giving him an out is not helpful and Stranahan should just STFU.
baby giraffes (3914b8) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:21 amRachel Maddow loves to take some earnest position and spin it into something huge.
I recall when the Michigan Gov Snyder took control of some screwed up schools, and Maddow began saying he ‘hates democracy’.
Or when Arizona passed the immigration law, she knew for sure that was racist.
She will say the “right wing” generally, via opposition to abortion, is “inciting violence”.
So what would Maddow say if Paul Ryan were making penis jokes to female reporters like a total creep? Or if Scott Walker was privately chatting with the star of Teenage Whores (I didn’t name the films feminist Ginger Lee made)?
I’m pretty sure she would say this proves something about that person’s respect for women. If Anthony Weiner were a Republican (and at one point, I knew him to be a hawk on foreign policy, and thought he was moderate!… I’m an idiot), Maddow wouldn’t be asking him for permission to be asked a question. She would be saying the entire Republican party doesn’t respect women if it abides this hypocrite.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:26 amMayBee – ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. I wish I could link to pix of Senorita Sainz 😉 but, that behavior is not tolerated in an NFL locker room, but is in the foyer of the Capitol Bldg from a sitting Dem congresscritter?!?!
JD (85b089) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:30 amwhere is Mr. carlitos and also Mr. daley?
I has a news!
these are the people what bake you a tasty tasty red velvet cake while you eat dinner and they give you all the frosting in a ramekin on the side
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:34 amRachel Madturd probably sucks on Bawney Fwank’s weiner on a basis the it’s the only way he can get some.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:36 amdoh
easy boy…
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:38 amWhatever works. I know there’s some kind of magic where any liberal position is somehow above the ability to be hypocritical. Even the mere fact that these people would criticize this exact behavior doesn’t mean they can’t then do it themselves.
In fact, some lefties are saying that just talking about these groupies is sexual harassment, and the right wing should be ashamed. Merely noting what someone did is a big no-no, but how Weiner treated Ms Miller to penis jokes is not.
We’re always the bad guys, they are never imperfect.
From my link, posted yesterday.
This is simply lying. All the evidence, particularly Weiner’s ‘yeah, that could be one of my many penis pictures’ behavior and his hiding the IP of who used his account to send the picture, indicates he accidentally sent a private tweet publicly.
Ace also notes that a lot of media are letting Weiner lie about the timeline. There’s no doubt his timeline is not truthful.
They do this on every other issue, but because this is sexual, and because of the hard shilling needed to help Weiner out of his mess, I think a lot of reputations of lefty shills will be badly damaged for their efforts.
The scale of bias is pretty hard to miss.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:45 amHappyfeet, that’s very appetizing. First time I’ve wanted to be in Chicago in a long while.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:46 amChicago is where the food at – Los Angeles you really have to work for it
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:47 amMost of us learn for ourselves, or have a parent explain, … around the 8th grade at the latest … that it’s the weak kid who tries to establish how tough he is.
That’s why you’re bashing Dohbiden in this and that other thread for straying off topic or being too aggressive in his personal attacks of folks he doesn’t like.
You think that is the easy shortcut to restoring your reputation as someone who is interested in staying on topic and avoiding nastiness.
In other words, you are a complete idiot with poor self awareness, and you think we are much dumber than we actually are.
You of all people should avoid criticizing anyone’s behavior.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:51 amYou called me a boy it’s official you hate white people you racist.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:58 amHappyfeet – I am going to endeavor. I love that hotel. Did you ever find one of those pop-up restaurants in LA? Maybe pop-up is not the right term, but the kind that opens for a short period of time, with unique and creative limited menus?
JD (85b089) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:58 amDustin
Yaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnn
Guess someone thinks its their blog now
Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnn
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:02 amMan someone is still angry that he painted himself into a rhetorical corner defending tax cuts and increased spending?
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:04 amWhoops thats right those were tax increases
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:05 amBut I’m going to go back on topic now
but sex act descriptions are a bit over the top
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:06 amHere’s another tack:
Obviously, an embarrassed Weiner was desperately seeking medical advise. Since his chemically induced erection lasted well over 4 hours (likely the natural result of watching Hockey) he quite understandably became concerned for his health and safety.
Weiner intended to send evidence of his unfortunate condition to a physician experienced in such maladies exclusively for the purposes of appropriate medical diagnosis and treatment.
Unfortunately, Weiner wasn’t thinking clearly, a prolonged shortage of available blood in the cranial area caused a temporary loss of focus and resulted in sending a discreet image of the problem to the wrong address.
It’s all just an embarrassing but innocent error.
Any takers?
ropelight (8d4fd8) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:06 amI haven’t found anything like that yet Mr. JD but I’ve been mostly staying in the neighborhood – my thing I’ve been excited about is this place – it’s the only puerto rican place in Los Angeles and it’s in my zone! It’s delicious you need to know that the mafongo is garlicky but very tasty to where you don’t need to get the more fancy ones – the chicken stew one is fine. I also had the lechon dinner – which is sorta their take on carnitas.
They make a really really wonderful guava empanada – it’s with the appetizers but for reals you should get this with dessert alongside the coconut pudding (tembleque).
There’s so much left there I have to try I think it’ll be my place all summer. They just expanded too but I haven’t seen the new dining room yet.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:11 amOf course, Mr Eric On Topic As Much As Possible Johnson.
LOL. BTW, I’ll back in that mode where I brought up your lack of character over and over until you freaked out about it.
You won’t enter a thread without it being mentioned that you are dishonest. The solution to bad speech is either bannings or more speech, and no one is getting banned.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:11 amThe purpose of this post was actually so epwj could spew a bunch of nonsense, and once again prove to the world that he is an imbecile.
JD (d48c3b) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:14 amDustin
Yaaawwwwwnnn
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:14 amJD
Wait if Palin gets in – my posting of her record will be the tip of the berg as they say
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:16 amHonestly, unless there is a complete meltdown in the debates with the candidates turning everyone to shred – I dont see her jumping in (but thats an attribute to a smart seasoned politician – eh, so I could be wrong)
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:17 amtearing not turning
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:17 amZOMFGBBQ epwj is never more than one step away from spewing idiocy about Palin. Any topic can set off his diarrhea of the mouf.
JD (306f5d) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:27 am-EricPWJohnson, who then brought up Sarah Palin
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:33 amDustin
Yawwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:36 am“where is Mr. carlitos and also Mr. daley?”
Mr. Feets – Thank you for your concern for I have been out celebrating our greasy azzed socialist pezzydent’s proclamation of yesterday of LGBT Awareness Month. I was already very much aware of the LGBT community, but reminders are appreciated.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:36 amJd needs to have a blog war with someone, I’ve got a regular job, is there someone unemployed or under employed that could play with him?
EricPWJohnson (607b20) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:37 amJust because the topic is a weinerhole does not mean you are required to prove that you are a weinerhole. That has long since been established.
JD (b98cae) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:43 amSo you have gone out of your way to explain that it’s wrong to go off topic, wrong to be ugly to others, and wrong to spend too much time ‘playing’ in internet discussions.
As if we have no memory of how you derail threads with comment after comment after comment with absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
Your last five comments (probably more than five, but I didn’t bother to go farther) are totally off topic. Most of them reference Sarah Palin.
You do not care. You lost an argument with me about Sarah Palin, and resorted to lying about it, and now I’m going to point out that you are dishonest.
Your reaction shows that really gets under your skin, loser.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:43 amhappy gay month Mr. daley! Mr. carlitos said there was a shindig in Grant Park yesterday cause of the unionings.
I wonder if the flirty cupcakes were there.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:44 amHappy LGBT and questioning month Mr. Feets!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:47 amWhat’s really funny about this one is that you bashed JD for NOT taking sides in a blog war that you repeatedly tried to reignite. JD doesn’t care for blog wars.
You claim you have no spare time, but you seem to really want conflict among conservatives, rather than discussion of the actual topics.
I’ve never seen someone waste so much time fixated on Sarah Palin. Not even Andrew Sullivan cares that much.
Obviously you are set to ruin yet another thread. It will make you look petty, selfish, and stupid. It will show you aren’t honest or gracious. You know this because it’s happened the last few times you started up like this. You have no interest in discussion or persuasion, but wish to punish us by derailing a thoughtful thread.
BTW, it’s not the same thing for me to react to your misbehavior at it is for you to jump in threads just to insult people. You might think, in your stupid head, that you’re taking us down with you, rolling around in the mud, happy to sacrifice your ruined reputation in order to make us look bad, but that’s not what’s happening. We’re just observing that you’re a small person.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:52 am“Mr. carlitos said there was a shindig in Grant Park yesterday cause of the unionings.”
Mr. Feets – I was unable to attend and cannot report on the cupcake situation or whether they served any delicious Lake Michigan sammins which can be prepared in an amazing variety of tasty ways.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:52 amwe are left to speculate Mr. daley
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 10:57 amOn a scale of 1 to nishi/wheelerz, epwj is Chuckles Johnson.
JD (29e1cd) — 6/2/2011 @ 11:14 amI’ve sometimes wondered if Steven Soderbergh is really altogether necessary.
I go back and forth on this.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 11:36 ambaby giraffes
first, i edited your comment to eliminate a few curse words. please don’t curse here, or your comment will be filtered.
second, to the substance, i think you are not being fair to Lee.
He is saying 1) weiner has something to hide, 2) but its not sending a dirty tweet to a hot coed. Like ask yourself a question. let’s assume that this is Weiner’s wiener, okay?
So how did they get the pic? his theory is that Weiner has been showing his wienerpic to many people and this person either is one of them, or is connected to one of them. that’s right, he is supposing that this person might really be a woman. so in his scenario the person is a wronged woman sending his wienerpic to the world as punishment for some past sexual sin.
So that doesn’t exactly let weiner off the hook, now does it?
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 6/2/2011 @ 11:39 amLee’s theory is only nicer to Weiner in that it doesn’t make him look quite as stupid (being hacked is better than being so stupid you send a picture of your penis to the entire internet).
He’s certainly not doing Weiner any favors. I just prefer the more obvious explanation.
If he’s right, he’s a rock star, and I suspect we’ll know if he’s right because Dan Wolfe can’t possibly hide. But if he’s wrong, that’s not cool for Dan, who, after all, has tried to be helpful IMO.
Frankly, I think a voice interview with Dan would be very helpful.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 11:43 amHow does the #545 tweet fit into Lee’s theory?
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:19 pmOccam is getting p@ssed at you guys.
JD (29e1cd) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:27 pmUnless they come from gmail. Any web-based email will by its nature not have Received headers from the sender’s IP, but most such systems (yahoo, hotmail, etc) include an X-Originating-IP header with that information. Gmail doesn’t, so there’s no way to know who sent you a message from gmail.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:29 pmAs I understand Lee’s theory, it’s no coincidence; Weiner and @patriotusa76 were having an argument on the phone at the time, so he was aware of the tweet the moment it went out, and was able to delete it immediately.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:32 pmthis is just poor dick photo management skills
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:35 pmHe wasn’t using it before the incident. He’d been silent for several hours. And you have to explain how @patriotusa76 happened to be watching Weiner’s twitter page at the very moment when this message went out, and managed to capture it in the few seconds before it was deleted.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:36 pmso what you’re saying is this @patriotusa76 Dan person is Anthony’s jilted gay lover and he just tweeterfriends hot younguns for camouflage?
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:41 pmAnd you have to explain how @patriotusa76 happened to be watching Weiner’s twitter page at the very moment when this message went out, and managed to capture it in the few seconds before it was deleted.
I used to keep Twitter feeds I was interested open in tabs. Then I would check them every so often.
This is going to sound crazy, but sometimes timing is everything. You may think what I’m about to tell you is a conspiracy, but I like to think it is further evidence I am the luckiest girl in the world:
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:41 pmI NEVER watch Letterman or MTV’s TRL. But on two random occasions, I happened to switch them on just in time to see the Farah Fawcett meltdown and the Mariah Carey meltdown.
Poor dick photo management skills is an epic funny line.
JD (d56362) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:49 pmThis is textbook conspiracy theory logic.
you “have to explain” something that is difficult to know much about, or … what? The only accurate explanation is that we don’t know.
What if, as I said way above, this is better explained as PatriotUSA being overzealous. Perhaps he really is always watching that feed. Perhaps he saw the feed without the pic, then saw it show up, and then saw it vanish.
Perhaps that event only seems like 5 seconds to him because of the timing of his refreshes, and was two minutes in reality. Does that prove anything? No.
Perhaps he hates Weiner enough to exaggerate what he saw.
Frankly, I’ve noticed people correcting posts and comments. I see Aaron do it, and the impression I get is that some of his typos are up for a few seconds.
I saw Brad Friedman delete comments, and I barely ever read his crap.
PatriotUSA’s behavior is realistically explained without leaping to the conclusion he is really Anthony’s jilted ex. Granted, we can’t prove that isn’t the case, but it’s a leap.
And there are quite a few more leaps needed, such as Cordova’s behavior.
I can’t rule out Lee’s theory, but it’s just not reliable with the evidence we’ve got at this point.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:51 pmYes, but this is just the point. It’s suspicious that s/he refuses to let anyone hear his/her voice.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:58 pmI just checked, and you’re right. The gmail I just received doesn’t accurately reflect the IP.
But still, it would be easy to trace who uploaded this material, since there is an IP that took the message. If the email uploader was used, they might have to ask the owner of the server that sent the email for the IP that logged in.
Anyway, the IP of the person who uploaded that image and sent that twitter would be relatively easy to find. Every email does have an IP, and those whose IP is the web server rather than the emailer’s IP are just one extra step.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 12:59 pmHe’s refusing? I’m not arguing, I just didn’t realize that. Yeah, that looks pretty bad.
My point is entirely that we shouldn’t leap too far into a specific conspiracy theory. Lee’s explains a lot, but it relies on a lot. There is another theory that explains even more, and relies on fewer assumptions.
They both share some characteristics. Weiner is lying, he takes skeevy photos and sends them around, etc. My point is that while we can speculate beyond this, it’s not proven. The ‘he was framed’ bit is not proven and some are saying it has been.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:01 pmEven after several hours’ silence? I’d have thought he’d get bored after a while and wander off for a cupcake.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:01 pmNo, nothing’s been proven yet.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:03 pmMy impression is that he was devoted.
Which sounds more likely to you? That someone takes their political adversaries on the internet very seriously, and in so doing sees something happen, or that Weiner’s ex is so mad she takes on this persona?
BTW, as a cynical partisan, I kinda hope Lee’s right. That’s a much more interesting story. I just am resigned to the possibility Weiner accidentally posted his sext wrong instead of infuriating his girlfriend.
Also, Patriot USA could be lying about when he saw it, or honestly mistaken about what he saw, thinking it appeared and vanished when it had been there for a little while longer.
No way to tell.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:06 pmI just read a theory that the hacker is Huma, and this was her way of exposing the twitter groupie. Twitter groupie’s mom is mad that Rep Weiner won’t resolve this. That’s not the only reason she should be mad at him.
JWF
Frankly, that post is right. We all know basically what’s going on here. Even the plausible twist barely changes the basic issue.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:32 pmIf I had seen the photo, snapped a screenshot of it, pointed it out to someone, and then witnessed all of this happening– I would be loathe to put my real self out there.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:45 pmIs it really all that suspicious that the Patriot guy would want to disappear?
I agree with MayBee and plus it’s Weiner’s responsibilty to get to the bottom of this by letting a for reals investigation find out what happen… he owes hummus at least that much I think and good god as it stands this is very compromising to her dignitah I think
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:52 pm*responsibility*
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:52 pmMaybee, no, it’s not suspicious, given how the people he relied on seem to be assuming the absolute worst about him without any evidence aside from ‘you must explain why he was there at that time’.
A lot of people have noted that they wouldn’t tip Lee to any news, because his imagination might turn them into evil liars.
What if Dan is telling the truth, but doesn’t want anyone to know his name? What if he was smart enough to use an anonymous name? Worse: what if he wasn’t, and now thousands of people are claiming he framed Weiner?
Let’s think of it this way: what if someone was asking these questions about you, using your full name, and had no hard evidence to justify their accusations.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 1:54 pmLeestranahan.com still hasn’t updated his blog from last night.
The post there asserts Dan Wolfe is “obtuse” and asserts it is Dan Wolfe’s fault that we don’t have a clearer picture of what happened.
I’m not seeing any hard evidence backing it up. Lee links this cannon blog to explain almost all of the argument, but that link leads to a blog that makes egregious leaps of logic and notes it refuses to post some of the critical comments.
What bugs me is that these are both poorly articulated theories. It takes forever, and you have to back and forth and up and down, before you really understand. They keep teasing their theory, instead of just laying it out plain. Cannon is a little less bad about it, but then, he’s the one making the irrational leaps to ‘it’s proven Weiner was framed!’
And once you get through it all, Weiner wasn’t really framed anyway if he sent out this photo to a groupie.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:02 pmAnyonewho endorses a RINO supported by angry militant tax and spenders really should not call out Palin as a tax and spender.
Got that schlusselbots?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:05 pmAnyone who*
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:08 pmI see now that Dan Wolfe noted he was feeling paranoid that Clinton allies would cause him a lot of problems if he gave up his phone number.
Smoking Gun says that’s bizarre. I disagree. The Clintons have torn people to shreds for making honest claims. Monica Lewinksy was a deranged stalker. Linda Tripp was a monster, etc.
My hunch is that Dan Wolfe is telling the truth, but his name isn’t Dan Wolfe.
One thing that sticks out to me is that Dan Wolfe keeps calling for an investigation of who sent these photos. He agitated consistently in that direction. He doesn’t act like he wants to conceal the identity of who sent the twitter. He acts like he wants to conceal his own ID.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:14 pmI listened to Weiner trying not to answer questions from the media today. He just wasn’t going to answer questions because he had to get back to the work people had sent him to Washington to do. I guess the job description for Congressmen in New York now includes one to be a pervert with few computer skills.
Rochf (f3fbb0) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:40 pm<blockquote>I have ALOT of personal problems I didn’t want to go into–but as I become the focus of this I am more and more afraid this will all come out. I want to tell you why I haven’t talked on the phone yet.
I have an en exwife suing me for custody of our 2 kids and for lots of other stuff right now. Her attorneys are after everything I own.
I have an ex girlfriend who has mental problems causing issues for me at work .
My business is suffering as a result.
If my exwife’s attorney’s got a hold of a call recorded with me on it they’d have a field day with that. I want to try to avoid.
She had recorded me twice before. She worked with my exgirlfriend and had two calls recorded.
It has gotten me in a lot of legal trouble.
I am screwed. If this comes out along with everything I’m dealing with here — I don’t know what to do.
That’s Dan Wolfe explaining why he won’t make make a phone call.
How is a phone call or his relating what he saw on twitter going to lead to legal problems? He comes across as unstable. I see no evidence he framed anybody, or could have, without the password style email address, so I’m not sure that it matters. Maybe he’s just afraid of scrutiny and this is his best effort to avoid it.
But this is all the smokescreen the left needs to assert Clarence Thomas and Andrew Brietbart framed Weiner. Pathetic.
We need a real investigation of Weiner’s accusation he was hacked. Period. If that leads to Dan Wolfe, fine, otherwise, I think it’s best to just leave him out of it.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:53 pmDammit. Blockquote should have ended before “that’s dan wolfe”.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:54 pmoh. Reading that Smoking Gun thinger I think Mr. Wolfe has done more than his fair share of the heavy lifting.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:54 pmWell, if he did manage to hack that account, I hope he’s caught. I just find that to be less likely than Weiner sending the picture and his critic seeing it and handling it poorly.
Weiner sure doesn’t want an investigation. All the people screaming that Breitbart framed him sure seem to ignore who is hiding the identify of the person who sent the stupid picture.
And honestly, how is someone supposed to vet a story like this? Weiner’s account DID send the picture. Weiner is hiding the identity of who did that.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 2:58 pmDemocraps have a lot of nerve to say Chris Christie insulted taxpayers.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:00 pmWeiner is embarrassed about his predilection for sending out dick photos.
He’s afraid people will judge him.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:01 pmhttp://minx.cc/?post=317071
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:03 pmhttp://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/0611/Vindication_for_Christine_ODonnell_.html
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:19 pmthe taxpayers can sleep soundly knowing that Chris Christie isn’t sending anyone any dick photos
well I guess he could be but… the logistics.
Daunting.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:22 pmthat was a fat joke
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:22 pmI would say this guy was obsessed with catching Weiner in something.
I would say this guy sounds like he has some personal problems.
I would not say that not wanting to get your real name out in a situation like this is so weird. Not everyone is as brave as Lee Stranahan or Andrew Breitbart or Patterico. I’m not.
If it were me, I wouldn’t get any more involved than I had to. My husband would kill me (not literally, people!).
Patriot may well be a hacker or he could be someone who lives alone and has time to indulge his obsessions on a Friday night, but doesn’t want his name in lights.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:32 pmWho would look at what Breitbart goes through every day and say “Imma get me some of that”?
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:35 pmO/T…Civil unrest (war?) in Sinai?
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:36 pmMight the residents of Sinai petition Israel to come back in – restoring the 1967 (post Six-Day War) Borders?
If he’s not sure it is his picture, then he has taken a picture like that, and maybe more. If so, are more WeinerGrams out there?
Bill G. (4dfec5) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:39 pmSometimes the truth is the obvious and simple stuff, instead of the salacious conspiracy.
I think your instincts are good ones.
I noticed Lee is particularly unworried about this kind of thing. He’ll post his cell phone number at least twice, and laugh off people who find that unwise. My point being that Lee may find Dan Wolfe’s fear to be bizarre, but it’s not.
My guess is that he was smart enough to pick a fake name (Dan Wolfe) and now he’s hoping he can stay anonymous. But anyway, I think his wish to stay out of this is reasonable. It costs us nothing, since what we really need (And will never resolve this without) is a real investigation of Weiner’s assertion he was hacked. Twitter can resolve this, and if he was hacked, law enforcement needs to track the hacker down. Or, more likely, Weiner will refuse to reveal the sender of the photo because it’s Weiner.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:48 pmphotos can be manipulated photos can be dropped into places
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:50 pmWeiner’s interview calls to mind the old court transcript:
“So you’re sure you never robbed that gas station?”
“Pretty sure”
ras (ceba62) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:53 pmThe obvious answer is that he didn’t send the photo, his cock did. Could happen to anyone really.
Makewi (0864f9) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:58 pmIn the Casey Anthony murder trial, the defense is going to try to say the guy who found little Caylee’s body did something dastardly to that body so he could be a hero.
They point out how very odd it is that this guy looked for the missing little girl, spotted a trash bag in the woods near her home, called the police, checked the spot again, still saw the trash bag, and eventually went to the bag, opened it, and found Caylee’s body.
How weird is that, they say. This guy was obsessed with that body, and isn’t it weird he seemed to know where it was and kept going back there? Maybe he put it there!
Sometimes stumbling into an event puts you in a bad light, I guess.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 3:58 pmWeiner just called the police because CBS’s New York station sent a reporter and a cameraman to his Capitol office to interview him.
They will call the cops on those who ask questions, but they won’t call the cops to report a hacker.
These are elitist thugs who think they can get away with lying, and don’t have to answer questions they don’t feel like.
Maddow asks “sir, may I ask if you want to be asked a question” because reporters who don’t beg and bow get a police response.
This is absolutely pathetic. Speculate all day, but it’s clear Weiner is doing all he can to conceal why his verified accounts send pictures of his penis to young ladies.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:01 pmThe messenger has been shot on occasion. I think there’s a phrase in use about that.
Makewi (0864f9) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:01 pmAnd sadly, I have seen people take that seriously, Maybee. Ask the question the right way, and it makes a dogooder look weird.
I’m not going to lie, if I had a scoop, I wouldn’t share it with some of these people because they seem a little paranoid about dogooders.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:02 pmWeiner can go play with himself.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:03 pmCan’t wait to see what SNL has to say about this.
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:05 pmNothing funny i’am sure.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:09 pmAOS on Weiner calling the police
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:09 pm“How is a phone call or his relating what he saw on twitter going to lead to legal problems?”
Dustin – Custody battle for kids. Spending his spare time flyspecking Weiner’s every move?
I think you ponder your question some more.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:15 pmFair enough, Daleyrocks.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:19 pmI had to google cause of I was curious
these people are so True Blood
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:20 pmFWIW, I really do enjoy hearing other theories about what happened. What do I know?
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:20 pmBut all the theories have great big holes, except for the theory of Weiner’s poor dick photo management skills.
I had a reporter ask me via Twitter if he could interview me for a very benign article because he knew I was often critical of Obama.
I said no because I live in LA and I didn’t want to be outed as a criticizer of Obama. That’s how not-brave I am.
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:25 pmI’m with you on the not-brave. Some people know I’m conservative but every once in awhile I make a show of recycling stuff so they think I’m just confused.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 4:27 pmMayBee is a rock star. So cool.
Dan Wolfe is an actual distraction. Why dwell on it? Weiner sent out Weiner photos. End. Of. Story.
Creepy stalker people knowing your name is unsettling.
JD (b98cae) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:07 pmBeing not-brave must be in inverse proportion to being uber-hot and super-cool.
JD (29e1cd) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:09 pmTom Sullivan got to the nut of the story today.
He contacted a lawyer – (say don’t we have some of those?) – and the lawyer says it’s not illegal for Weiner to lie to the press.
It’s not illegal for Weiner to lie to the public.
It’s not illegal for him to lie to his constituents.
BUT it’s a big problem for him to lie to a government official with a nightstick and a badge.
The sort of problem that puts Martha Stewart behind bars.
So we get preposterous stories and no official complaint.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:16 pm“But all the theories have great big holes, except for the theory of Weiner’s poor dick photo management skills.”
Maybee – Most men have a hard enough time managing their dicks without adding photography to the mix.
Just sayin’.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:22 pmha ha ha ha ha!
MayBee (081489) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:25 pmPoor dick photo management skills is such a perfect descriptor.
JD (85b089) — 6/2/2011 @ 5:47 pmI’m limited by edge network on old phone but wanted to second the “Maybee is rock star” comment. Also I laughed out loud At HF’s “penis pictures to your mom” line . Conspicously, At an auction. thanks for the porrimger top tea table , I got it for nothing
Sarahww (dc041f) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:01 pmbtw, me, patterico and johnson are in a full-on tweet war right now. you might want to get popcorn.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:04 pmLinky, por favor, AW ….
JD (29e1cd) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:30 pmJD
well, its over. but its all over my twitter feed.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/2/2011 @ 6:44 pmThat’s Breitbart’s call for Dan Wolfe to come forward.
I am not sure about that. Weiner’s account posted this penis shot. He’s the one holding back which IP directed that action, and holding back the investigation. When you publicly post something to the internet, is it really akin to accusing someone if you point that out to the media?
Is Weiner being tormented by a sockpuppet, assuming Dan Wolfe is one? Or is be being tormented by his own accusation he was hacked, and his own refusal to take the free and easy step of demonstrating that? Oh, and Weiner’s penis photo he took and which somehow wound up send to that young lady.
Supposing Dan Wolfe comes out and removes the sock, and lo, it’s Glenn Greenwald again. So what? What does that help? We still have Weiner’s account sending the image. That’s not in dispute. Weiner is still the penis in the photo (only idiots dispute that). Weiner is still the guy withholding who sent it, and failing to explain his groupie patterns. How does Weiner face his accuser, exactly?
It’s not Weiner that Dan Wolfe owes anything to. It’s people like Lee Stranahan and Breitbart, especially Breitbart, who has again handled this affair with integrity (not that Lee hasn’t) and doesn’t deserve to be sandbagged. I do hope Dan comes forward, but I just don’t see how it changes anything for Weiner when he does.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:17 pmMr. Dan Wolfe regrets he’s unable to lunch today, Andrew
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/2/2011 @ 8:30 pm” Anyway, I firmly believe that the accused has a right to face the accuser. Even for someone as despicable as RAW.”
There’s not really an accuser here. Nobody, including Weiner, denies the message was sent from Weiner’s twitter account and that the picture came from his yfrog account.
What accusation requires confrontation?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:03 pmYep. Everything Dan said is actually already established, aside from the five seconds before deletion. Weiner does assert he deleted it as soon as he saw it, so that’s basically established as well.
No, Lee and Breitbart do not want Dan Wolfe in order to prove anything about Weiner. They really want to know more about Dan Wolfe because of Dan Wolfe.
And I totally understand that curiosity. But proving everything Dan said doesn’t actually do much.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/2/2011 @ 9:12 pm