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2/23/2011

Can We Get a Verification on This Translation? (Update: Verified?)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:19 pm



Update: I wrote to Allah at Hot Air, sharing my concerns and he helped me find this Cnn story which seems to back it up, crazy-hypocritical quotes and all… The Washington Times, too. And a few others, too. I admit I am still incredulous, but I guess it is actually… true?

So next question. Have they made sure that Amadanutjob Ahmadinejad is not suffering from multiple personality disorder? Or perhaps they are really twins and this has been carefully kept secret?

Regardless, we now resume the original post as written.

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…Because I am Calling Bull on This.

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]

I am going to show you a clip from al Jazeera where Iran’s whackjob President Ahmadinejad condemns Libya for…  killing their own people, not letting people protest freely and so on.  In other words doing everything that he himself did to his people when they revolted.  Stuff like this:

It’s one of those things you have to witness for yourself to believe and here is the video:

So like I said, you have to witness it yourself to believe it.  Except that the problem is you have witnessed nothing.  You have witnessed the leader of Iran talking and a voice over in English claiming that he is saying how horrible he thinks it is for a leader to kill his own people as they protest.  For all we know, he could have been telling us his favorite breakfast foods and this al Jazeera person was making it up.

Now, cognitive dissonance is always possible.  And he could just be full of it, the way Mao urged a hundred flowers to bloom before cutting them off at the stems.  But on the other hand, this is al Jazeera which aired this heap of crazy without challenge.  So I am going to need independent verification.

So this is a full-on bleg.  Can anyone verify this translation?  Or link to anyone who can verify it?

And thanks in advance for your help.

Hat tip: Hot Air.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

67 Responses to “Can We Get a Verification on This Translation? (Update: Verified?)”

  1. How does one say do as i say not as i do in arabic?

    DohBiden (984d23)

  2. doh

    i don’t think he is speaking arabic. i believe he generally speaks farsi. But funny comment, regardless.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  3. Support in Iran for the current government runs at about 75%.

    Not that I’m fan but still.

    Bernard F. (d80b5a)

  4. Oh ok.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  5. that first video looks really graphic I don’t wanna click it I never watched the Daniel Pearl one neither

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  6. Mahmoud ahmjackoff should know the concept of irony.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  7. “Irony it’s what’s for dinner’ Mahmoud was an IRGC
    commando, think of him like an evil Iranian version
    of ‘Jack Bauer’, they called him in, to ‘liquidate’
    dissidents in far off places like Vienna.

    narciso (28df0c)

  8. happy

    well it was the death of that woman, neda, and it is pretty bad, yes.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  9. I heard about that me I can’t handle the truth

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  10. There are similar videos or quotes of him saying similar things regarding Egypt and Tunisia.

    While I don’t speak Farsi, I think he probably did say that stuff, and this falls into “the just full of it stuff”.

    This is, after all, the man who insists that Iran is into nuclear development for peaceful purposes.

    The Nazis after all used to claim that the transports to the death camps were voluntary emigrations to new regions for settlement. But of course Ahmadenijad (or however you transliterate his name) doesn’t believe the Holocaust happen, so maybe it’s not fair to use that as a parallel.

    kishnevi (af8fff)

  11. kish

    my (dark) joke is that Ahmadinejad says, “There has been no holocaust… yet.”

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  12. So will ahmadinejad decry ron Paul’s antisemtism next?

    DohBiden (984d23)


  13. “Admiral
    Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrived in Saudi Arabia on Sunday for the first stage of a Gulf tour to boost US relations with its allies in the region. “Part of what I want to accomplish is to reassure our friends and also just listen to what’s on their mind,” Mullen told journalists.”

    Iran has more Jews than any other country in the middle east outside Israel. Saudi Arabia does not allow either Jews of Christians. And SA is the most repressive regime in the middle east, founded on the most extreme fundamentalist variant of Sunni Islam. Most funding for Al Qaeda still comes from Saudi.

    “Saudi Arabia’s rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday.

    Previously secret files describe how investigators were told they faced “another 7/7” and the loss of “British lives on British streets” if they pressed on with their inquiries and the Saudis carried out their threat to cut off intelligence.”

    Mullen’s “friends” also included Mubarak’s Egypt and Ben Ali’s Tunesia.

    Bernard F. (d80b5a)

  14. Comment by Bernard F. — 2/23/2011 @ 9:45 pm

    Maybe I missed something, but when did Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Tunisia
    1)seize US embassies and hold diplomats and staff hostage for 444 days
    2)routinely refer to the USA as the Great Satan for the last thirty years or so.

    kishnevi (9ee373)

  15. bernard

    i am sorry, is there a point somewhere in all that?

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  16. Bernard F. shares with Obama the virtue of never saying any thing bad about an avowed enemy of the United States and never any thing good about an avowed freind of the United States.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  17. Sooo…lemme get this straight. Even Akmajeansihad has come out to condemn Libya’s actions, but Obama has not.

    How very…interesting.

    Steve B (42224f)

  18. Two thoughts:

    1) Imadinnerjacket (I swear, that’s what it sounds like to ME, anyway) has consistently shown signs of being bugf*ck nuts and receiving radio venus on his bridgework. This is simply more of the same. It’s gotten to the point that I doubt he’s evil so much as chemically deranged. I have to wonder who’s puppet he is.

    2) Regarding the Saudis; they have a unique defense that makes it hard to deal with them as harshly as they, perhaps, deserve. Forget about oil …. they have Mecca and Medina, and consequently the Hajj, which has to be the biggest annually recurring administrative headache in the world. I seriously believe that they get the kid gloves treatment because we know that if we fight them we will win, and then WE have to deal with the Hajj.

    *shudder*

    C. S. P. Schofield (71781e)

  19. Mr Worthing, you have failed to note the subtle, but nevertheless all-important difference: in Libya, Colonel Qaddafi is using military force to try to retain a secular Arab dictatorship, while, in Iran, President Ahmadinejad used military force to keep a theocratic Islamist government in power.

    The nuanced Dana (3e4784)

  20. I think we should destroy their oil refineries and power plants this summer, bomb their bridges – highway intersections,ports and international airports, all communications and jam all their military communications and civilian communications

    We should remove our military bases from Qatar and the UAE and relocate them to Israel.

    Let them have a first taste of what war really means, if mullahs want to whip their people into a frenzy to kill the jews let em face some First Cav…

    EricPWJohnson (6e1632)

  21. I’m talking about Iran, and these strikes have been sanctioned ye even pleaded to be done by the other Arab countries

    Iran has enjoyed free reign to cause mischief and misery throughout the middle east and have been directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Arabs, christians and jews

    time to give a painful pin pointed taste of consequences

    EricPWJohnson (6e1632)

  22. Their citizens, supported in part by a support structure like Awlaki, and Bassnan among others, killed 3,000 Americans on one bright fall day,

    narciso (28df0c)

  23. They say truth is stranger than fiction.

    It would be interesting to know the translation, but I have no problem believing he said in Farsi (or whatever) what it is in English. What makes a psychopath a psychopath is they have no regard for others or anything other than their immediate self-centered goal.

    Perhaps Saudi Arabia doesn’t exhibit persecution because they long ago got rid of anyone who they would persecute (or they are in “hiding”). And they have played ally to the US and gotten pretty much anything they’ve wanted/needed for a long time from us. They have a longer view of history when it comes down to being played out in their actions.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  24. Comment by C. S. P. Schofield — 2/24/2011 @ 12:39 am

    It’s not the administrative headache of the Hajj that would be the problem, but the fact that non-Muslims being in control of Mecca and Medina would get every Muslim in the world angry at us. They can’t stand the fact that Jews control Jerusalem, supposedly their third holy city–think of the reaction if us Yankees controlled the two really holy cities.
    (Or, as a parallel, think of how, in the Middle Ages, the fact that Muslims controlled the Holy Land, and specifically the Holy Sepulcher, was the rallying point for several centuries worth of Christian crusading.)

    Our best hope would be to hand the Hejaz over immediately to the King of Jordan and/or members of his family–who were, after all, the rulers of the two cities before the Saud family ran them off–or, failing that, recruit a bunch of American Muslims to take legal custody on behalf of all other Muslims. And even that probably would not keep the problems from happening.

    kishnevi (2d88a8)

  25. Back before the First World War, the Turks controlled it, and yes they put the Hashemites in charge, it’s possible in an alternate reality, they might still be in charge. The fact is Ibn Saud was
    a warlord, plain and simple, just more successful than most

    narciso (28df0c)

  26. EricPWJohnson, I like the cut of your jib.

    platypus (579ca1)

  27. I wrote something (here) on the Iranian protests, not long after the sham election results. Mullah Khameini not only told protesters to stop assembling, he said that protest leaders would be responsible in the event his stormtroopers started cracking skulls. The NYT article here.

    Bird Dog (94fec5)

  28. Comment by MD in Philly — 2/24/2011 @ 6:49 am

    They still do, but the cases are isolated and seem to be confined to foreigners working in the country who aren’t discreet enough about their religion–wearing crosses, offering neighbors Bibles, etc. Those that hide it, or at least are discreet, don’t seem to be bothered.

    And there is the claim, which I haven’t heard in a while and which may have been an urban legend, that if you wanted to avoid working or being stationed in Saudi Arabia, you only need wear a Star of David in public.

    kishnevi (2d88a8)

  29. It sounds like ahmaretard is trying to tell muammar gaddafi to get his hand off his leg.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  30. Imadinnerjacket (I swear, that’s what it sounds like to ME, anyway) has consistently shown signs of being bugf*ck nuts and receiving radio venus on his bridgework. This is simply more of the same. It’s gotten to the point that I doubt he’s evil so much as chemically deranged. I have to wonder who’s puppet he is.

    I actually think that attitude is cultural. It can be unbelievably annoying in person. But remember that he is meant to get attention diverted from the Mullahs to some extent.

    EPWJ is right that we have to draw the line somewhere, and Iran’s government has been behind so much wrongdoing.

    Had Obama really been like Reagan, when Iran had her protests he would have supported them. What a wasted opportunity! And now these later reverberations are somewhat wasted too.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  31. Kish,
    The us supported the shah just as it did mubarak. You figure it out.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/23/obama_is_helping_iran

    teacher (a64520)

  32. Until 1915 or so the Sultan of Turkey was the Caliph of all the Muslims. The Sauds are descendants of a Russsian mercenary who established their legitimacy as the rulers of Saudi Arabia by “protecting the holy places” and supporting the Wahabis a/k/a Al Qaeda.

    nk (db4a41)

  33. No, Saud, wasn’t a Russian mercenary, in fact the first Soviet envoy to Arabia, became a convert to Islam, infact one of the official historians of the region, Vassiliev, did show an odd respect for the WAhhabi’s, despite his atheism.

    narciso (28df0c)

  34. Ahmadinejad’s statement is not so unbelievable if you realize that Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas have been nurturing covert groups in those countries in which demonstrations are taking place. The Muslim Brotherhood has shown solidarity with Hamas. I still believe that there is a very, very good chance that the Muslim Brotherhood will end up on top in Egypt, not right away, but in three to five years. Likewise, in the other countries, if the existing governments are overthrown, there will be plenty of opportunity for determined, ruthless groups like Hezbollah to seize control after a time. Religious (or ostensibly religious) governments friendly to Hamas and Hezbollah in Libya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrain could give Iran the opportunity to wield much more control over oil and the flow of commerce through the Suez Canal. Or at least influence.

    Ahmadinejad is not so wacko as he sounds. I read the transcripts of his talk at Columbia University. He is a very, very, slick, accomplished liar and a ruthless politician bent on expanding his power.

    AC (c77050)

  35. Hamas is the Moslem Brotherhood’s Jordanian branch, so was the GIA in Algeria, who the government has fought a bloody 20 year over.

    narciso (28df0c)

  36. Leisure suits are teh new hotness.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  37. Where are our enlightened trolls to show us the error of our ways?

    DohBiden (984d23)

  38. Its Clink time for Iran,

    they just refuse to stop ever increasing ever pushing for dominance in a region to become a 4th superpower in a welter of blood of innocent Arabs, Jews and Christians, they have slaughtered a million of their own kind for no gain, don’t be under any illusions that they would hold back on others.

    The Lebanese have suffered the whole south of their country enslaved by a poverty producing pseudo Iranian backed Islamist movement fostering recruits for the cause rather than the welfare of the Lebanese.

    The Palestinians have been manipulating up into an ever escalating self destructive posture that only has a path towards being the cannon fodder against one of the worlds most determined people.

    The Syrians have seen their disinterested corrupt despot propped up by a scheming Iranian diplomatic offensive that nearly led to war a few years ago and ended up with a commando raid on their territory.

    All this was caused by Iran

    There is no more negotiation, time for the Feverish fundamentalists to feel the heat

    EricPWJohnson (a76a92)

  39. Ahmadumbiejad is a lefty not a far-righty like some nutjobs claim him to be.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  40. They still do, but the cases are isolated and seem to be confined to foreigners working in the country who aren’t discreet enough about their religion–wearing crosses, offering neighbors Bibles, etc. …
    Comment by kishnevi

    Well, I didn’t make it clear but I was talking about Saudi’s. I assume there are some Jews and Christians in the country working from other places, who don’t get into trouble as long as they “keep to themselves”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  41. Al Arabiya offered the same translation. crediting “agencies,” and several outlets cite the AP giving the same remarks.

    “It is unimaginable that someone is killing his citizens, bombarding his citizens,” Ahmadinejad said on state television when asked about the situation in Libya.

    “How can officers be ordered to use bullets from machine guns, tanks and guns against their own citizens?”

    “This is unacceptable. Let the people speak, be free, decide to express their will. Do not resist the will of the people,” the hardliner said as he told world leaders to “listen, hear and talk” to their people.

    “Of course anyone who does not heed the demands of his own nation will have a clear fate,” he added

    I’m not sure why this would surprise anyone. His broader point was that the revolution would extend to “oppressive” regimes like the USA. It’s propaganda.

    carlitos (01d172)

  42. Missles hit Beer Sheba yesterday, first since 2006 war.

    Germany is sending 3 warships to Libya cause of our Persian Gulf build up has us out-of-position.

    Following Palin’s call on NATO to protect Libyan citizens NATO says they may shoot down attacking aircraft.

    Oil briefly topped $140 yesterday.

    Strap-on is throwing a Mo-Town party. US Ambassador to the UN, Rice, is attending a global sustainability conference in South Africa. Priorities.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  43. Gary, it’s pretty annoying to me how these people vote present when history REALLY calls. They don’t think history is calling unless they are the ones doing the dialing, but this is a major historic event that will affect our interests for a generation, and the admin is voting present.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  44. No, Saud, wasn’t a Russian mercenary, in fact the first Soviet envoy to Arabia, became a convert to Islam, infact one of the official historians of the region, Vassiliev, did show an odd respect for the WAhhabi’s, despite his atheism.

    Comment by narciso — 2/24/2011 @ 8:38 am

    You’re right, narciso. I mixed up my tinpots. I was thinking of the Iranian Shahs.

    nk (db4a41)

  45. 43. “They don’t think history is calling unless they are the ones doing the dialing”

    Nice turn of a phrase. I get that the object is to destroy the US. What I don’t get is how he intends to benefit.

    Nihilism is the only paying credo.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  46. gary,

    please do not use terms like strap-on, at this blog.

    ugh.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  47. Yes, I was going to remark on that, btw, one of the more absurd parts of that is Sheryl Crowe and Nick Jonas,? will be at the event

    narciso (bf58f6)

  48. Qaddafi nows says that the youth are uprising because they’re drinking tainted Nescafe or something. Will the nuttiness in the Middle East never end?

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  49. Nescafe pisses me off too when I want a good cup of coffee.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  50. narc

    sure. nothing says motown like a disney-fied teenybopper group that allegedly plays rock.

    Crow is a better choice if only because she has some real artistic chops. not that she is very “motown” either, but there you go.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  51. Cough.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  52. I believe that the real craziness in the Middle East is just about to begin. And in all honesty, I think we are glad about that. As you might have noticed, other than issuing a few statements, our govt has been hush on the subject

    Lingerie Luva (9ffe30)

  53. Luva, indeed, Obama’s admin is obviously hoping its vague conflicting statements will keep it from being blamed if things go wrong, but also give it a chance to take credit if anything accidentally goes right.

    Instead of leading, Obama is keeping his focus on electoral advantage in the most cynical way. Hell, if things go bad, Obama will blame that on Bush. Wait and see.

    Sad, because it’s a great point in history for America to have a great President. Or even merely a fair but earnest one like Dubya.

    Shuttle is taking off, btw.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  54. gary,

    please do not use terms like XXX, at this blog.

    ugh.

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 2/24/2011 @ 12:20 pm

    Hey, it beats his racial slurs!

    carlitos (01d172)

  55. Is rubber donger acceptable?

    JD (822109)

  56. No more yankie my wankie. The Donger need food.

    carlitos (01d172)

  57. There is something breathtaking about the brazen lies we get from people in that region.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  58. 46. “ugh”

    No, I don’t see the point anymore either.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  59. JD is really Elkington. I claim my five pounds.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  60. Comment by Dustin — 2/24/2011 @ 11:52 am
    This is the year 2011 CE. The President of the United States can be fully in touch and in command wherever he is. To suggest otherwise is as unfounded as all those leftist claims that Bush was out of touch all the time he spent in Crawford.

    As for Ambassador Rice–well, possibly that’s a good thing she’s not at UN HQ now.

    kishnevi (225b9d)

  61. Kishnevi, you’re quite right, though I wasn’t saying Obama is voting present in virtue of his location. I was saying that based on his priorities. A few vague comments or finding time to do less important things is voting present in my book.

    It’s not a matter of outrage that Obama dares leave the White House, though I admit I think he spends more time away from it than he should. It’s an embarrassment that Obama is simply tepid on important matters.

    And I can also find some information in comparing his response to the Honduran crisis.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  62. Dustin–
    in the context of the Middle East, I adhere to the group that thinks the best policy for the US is to shut its mouth in public. There is an almost Pavlovian response by many people in that region towards US actions; for them almost anything the US does is a bad thing. See the link teacher provided in comment 30, which claims that when Obama finally spoke out in support of the Green Movement, the movement was made illegitimate for many Iranian.

    kishnevi (1a57cf)

  63. Good point; I concede to some extent.

    That itself is important to fix.

    We live in a world that is extremely dangerous to turn our back on. We need to be a positive example. That can’t always work well unless we earn a leading role in a way I think we’re falling short of as a society.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  64. When he stayed away from the press after Abdulmutallab even though the principals meeting had flagged this posibility, when he was joking in D.C, while Times Square almost became a charnel house, his vacilating during the Gulf Oil spill, the way he berated Mubarak, yet has played very cool toward Kadaffi

    narciso (bf58f6)

  65. For those who thoght we should keep quiet about the middle east – we will, when they wll recognize Israel and open embassies and normal diplomatic relations and take responsibility and pay repriations for the damage their 4 wars cost as well as take full financial and political responsibility for the Palestinians who many were former citizens made stateless by these same 4 wars

    Then we will shut up

    after they arrest all terrorists as well

    EricPWJohnson (a76a92)

  66. Islam is no religion it is a cult of the depraved.

    DohBiden (984d23)


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