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12/3/2010

“Disgusting Mail Order Trash;” Why is Drudge Linking to Alex Jones’s Site?

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 8:21 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]

Right now on Drudge you can see these stories:

If you click on the circled link you go to a page on Alex Jones’ website, Prison Planet, asserting that reporter Drew Griffin was put on a terror watch list after a report criticizing the TSA.  Only there is one problem: not even CNN alleges that he personally is on the watch list.  Watch the video.  It’s another man sharing the same name.  Which of course creates hell and havoc for the more famous Griffin, but that also blows the revenge story out of the water, right?

But in the same article they made another stunning assertion:

As we highlighted earlier this week, a reported TSA memo was circulated at the height of last month’s opt out controversy which “officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as ‘domestic extremists’.”

And if you follow the link you don’t get a document.  You get a report on a document.  That they don’t show you.  And their links don’t seem to lead very directly to anything but it all seems to start with this article by Canada Free Press.  Which also doesn’t give you any pdf of a document that at least plausibly looks like what they are describing.  Rather, they just have a description and a claim of “trust me, this is for real.”  Well, sorry, I don’t trust you.  Meanwhile in the Prison Planet article discussing this CFP article, they misrepresent the law to assert that the DHS is getting ready to treat people who dissent from the TSA’s scan or grope as terrorists:

The United States government, under complete control and direction of our elected President, is now actively labeling anyone who exercises their 4th amendment Constitutional right which protects against warrantless and unreasonable searches and seizures as, essentially, engaging in terrorism as defined by Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act:

Section 802 [USA Patriot Act]

(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended–

…..(5) the term `domestic terrorism’ means activities that–

…..…..(B) appear to be intended–

…..…..…..(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

…..…..…..(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

Though it may seem a broad interpretation, the definitions for domestic terrorism are very vague, allowing for a variety of views depending on who happens to be making the decisions. The very fact that TSA is allegedly going to label opt-out travelers as ‘domestic extremists’ suggest that they are, by today’s standards, considered no different than terrorists – and thus – may have their Constitutional rights stripped and be held without trial

Except that is a clear misrepresentation of the law and all of five seconds of research using free resources would tell you that.  The key thing is that this is an amendment which means that this language would be inserted into a larger statute that already exists.  And if you look at the whole law, as amended, those lines are clearly taken out of context.  Here is 18 USC § 2331(5), in whole:

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—

…..(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

…..(B) appear to be intended—

…..…..(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

…..…..(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

…..…..(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

…..(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

(emphasis added.)  The “and” at the end of (B)(iii) demonstrates that definitions under A, B, C are conjunctive, meaning you have to have all three parts satisfied for there to be a criminal violation.  With the “or” at the end of (B)(ii), this means that in order to find that a person is a domestic terrorist, the person must meet the requirements of (A) and (C), and meet at least one of the requirements under (B)(i)-(iii).

In other words, Prison Planet’s excerpt left out the predicate requirement that you must be actually convicted of a crime in America.  So merely dissenting doesn’t make you a criminal.  Duh.

Now I will confess, I have never received the full set trading cards of internet kooks, liars and radicals, so I didn’t know off the top of my head who Jones was.  So this might be old hat, but I googled around and apparently he has been a racist, paranoid conspiracy idiot and Truther for decades.  For instance a quick scan of this page proves he is a truther.  And this video is where I finally remembered where I heard that name before.  It’s a little hard to watch all these years later.  It starts off with Vodkapundit mocking some people who wanted to levitate the Denver Mint.  No, that is not a typo.  They wanted to use their psychic powers to actually lift it, which puts in sharp relief Steven Den Beste’s point in this classic essay Government By Wishful Thinking (if you never read it, you really owe it to yourself to do so).  There really are some people who think that wishing for something will make it happen.  Scary.

(By the way, if they think just wishing for something will make it happen, and they also believe the Global Warming is going to kill us, why don’t they use their superpower of wishful thinking, to make it go away?)

Then Michelle Malkin shows up and the chant of Love… Peace… Justice is replaced with Kill Michelle Malkin as they surround her.  Funny the liberal media never picked up on these scary people being cruel to a conservative, but the people peacefully assembling to protest against Obamacare are scary racists.  Anyway, back to the video, Alex Jones is right in front, accusing her of wanting to put people in death camps.  And do you think I was kidding about calling Jones a racist?  Listen close when he calls her “disgusting mail order trash.”

All of which raises the question, why is Drudge linking to this man’s website?  He is a lying, racist, paranoid, idiotic, conspiracy-mongering truther.  He should be marginalized into that zone of moronic convergence where David Duke makes common cause with Cindy Sheehan.  He should not be getting hits from Drudge, and my respect for that site just went down a notch.

Update: From “Newtons.Bit” in the comments we see Judge Napolitano joining in the truther fun.  I had seen articles quoting Napolitano as saying “It’s hard for me to believe that it came down by itself”–referring to Tower 7 at the WTC.  I  initially thought that the comment was maybe being twisted.  But this quote solidifies it: “I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn’t possibly have been done the way the government told us.”

And please don’t tell me that Rivera is about to be sucked in, next.  Oy vey.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

57 Responses to ““Disgusting Mail Order Trash;” Why is Drudge Linking to Alex Jones’s Site?”

  1. Did nobody notice that the link actually says “T AND A”?

    mojo (8096f2)

  2. Alex Jones appears to be getting more attention these days. Ron Paul is a recurring guest on his radio show. And more recently, Andrew Napolitano appeared on the radio show and confessed that he didn’t believe that WTC7 could have fallen down on its own.

    Here’s Napolitano: http://www.therightscoop.com/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-911-truther

    Newtons.Bit (28fc63)

  3. mojo

    yes, totally noticed.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  4. Why did you expect better from Drudge? Drudge has never been a reliable site; it’s a gossip column, with a hit-miss ratio about par for that course. He became famous by getting one good scoop: the Clinton/Lewinsky affair. And National Enquirer scooped everyone on the John Edwards story, which it got completely right; but it immediately blew whatever credibility it had just earned, on a story about Todd & Sarah Palin’s marriage breaking up, or some such nonsense. Drudge has been much the same. This doesn’t surprise me at all.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  5. Aaron: Yeah, even though I’ve been bashing the TSA at every opportunity, I looked at those reports on the alleged “domestic extremist” memo, and nearly got buck fever, but then I said “eh, I think I’m going to wait for another source, or for confirmation, or for a copy of the memo.”

    Ken (2e87a6)

  6. C’mon. We all know that Alex Jones is secretly a hero to each and every reichwingnut here.

    JD (6e25b4)

  7. I agree with Milhouse.

    Drudge has done a great deal of damage to a few lofty targets, but it’s not very reliable and deserves to be held a few notches below Hot Air, PJM, etc.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  8. : “I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn’t possibly have been done the way the government told us.”

    Why couldn’t 9/11 have possibly been done the way we think it was? WTC7 had a huge building crash into it. One side looked pretty good, and one side didn’t, and yeah, fire melts steel, etc.

    And why couldn’t JFK have been shot by a lone shooter? Does anyone remember that video game that simulated the JFK assassination? I know it was a very sick form of entertainment, but out of curiosity I did play it to see if those shots were feasible. It’s pretty convincing that a lone shooter is a completely reasonable explanation.

    I’m so sick and tired of gasbag liars.

    Napalitano has always come across to me as some kind of reasonable guy, but just a few hours of research was all he needed before making those comments. He goes much further than saying he doesn’t understand, and actually calls the truth ‘impossible’.

    Alex Jones is pointless to criticize. Just a nutcase who wants attention.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  9. I don’t see where it says you have to be convicted of a crime. It just says it has to be a violation of US law. Let me break it down:

    You opt out of the scan and get groped, loudly protesting the entire time and generally making the task difficult for the TSA agent. That makes you dangerous because you are disctracting the TSA agents, possibly allowing a terrorist through. When it comes to “violation of the criminal laws” you can rest assured a cop will find something to charge you with – they always do – or the TSA could make your life miserable right there at the gate until you did something stupid. Either way, they’ll find some charges for you.

    You are dangerous and violating the law. That meets (A).

    Your protest is an attempt to influence TSA policies (the Government). That meets (B) (ii).

    You did it in a US airport – that meets (C).

    It appears to me that this law can be used to take a TSA protestor and turn them into a “Domestic Terrorist” and throw them in a cell in GITMO.

    I’m not buying the story on the memo either. I saw that story before Thanksgiving. I had the same reaction as Ken – wait for confirmation. So, yeah, Nutcase Jones misrepresented/stretched the reliability of the CFP article, but he does seem to be right that they can lock up protestors – which lends credence to the CFP article.

    Now, someone tell me where I’m wrong so I can feel better. I really want to be wrong here.

    DeadGuy (becaa9)

  10. Dustin

    re: JFK, there was an abc news special a few years back on the assassination.

    What the thing showed was that the warren commission did was a rush job, and made mistakes.

    But it was still oswald.

    For instance, take the “magic bullet.” Well, the warren commission screwed up by saying that the second bullet struck when the texas governor started shouting. which makes sense. i mean if you have ever been hurt really bad, there is a moment when you are just sitting still, not even feeling it yet, going “holy sh-t what just happened?” and then you start shouting and all that.

    But they showed that if you went back a few second before you can see the lapel of his coat fly up, like as if a bullet went through it. So the magic bullet theory was built around the wrong moment in time. But at the real moment, it all lined up, so at most only minor course changes were necessary. And then they used computers to draw a line back to where the shots came from, and they all came from one spot, in the book depository.

    As for how the bullet managed to look so good, the answer is that the bullet was slowed down enough by the human flesh that when it struck bone, i would not be deformed. they did a test involving a real cadaver, setting up the same shot and the same thing happened again: a perfect bullet.

    as for oswald’s shooting abilities, oliver stone lied. he was able to make shots at even greater distances in the marines, routinely. and for the claim the gun was too slow, an old man showed how he could take the three shots.

    really, very comprehensive stuff.

    So clearly ABC news and all of them were in on it, right?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  11. Dead

    Well, you are right that conviction for the underlying crime is not a predicate. But say for instance, it is murder, an easy case.

    Well, you still have to establish, beyond a reaosnable doubt, every element of the murder. so if you are accused of terroristic murder, you have to prove all the things needed to prove murder, and then you have to include those additional elements in B and C.

    So you don’t have to have a prior conviction to meet A, but then the government has to prove the crime just like you would when charging a person with a crime without the terrorist element. You are no more likely to be falsely convicted of terroristic murder than non-terroristic murder.

    As for the claim that a cop could trump up something, the crime still has to be dangerous to human life.

    So happily, you are wrong.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  12. What the thing showed was that the warren commission did was a rush job, and made mistakes.

    That much is true. And a huge shame.

    as for oswald’s shooting abilities, oliver stone lied. he was able to make shots at even greater distances in the marines, routinely. and for the claim the gun was too slow, an old man showed how he could take the three shots.

    Well said. Anyone who calls the shooting impossible is simply incorrect. Was Oswald at peak performance for rechambering that rifle? Obviously, but that makes perfect sense given the gravity of his actions. And Marines really do handle marksmanship under pressure very well, by and large.

    Yet the words Napalitano used were “It couldn’t possibly have been done” He’s either willfully ignorant or a dissembler for attention. That’s a huge shame because he’s often saying things I very much agree with.

    With WTC7, it’s much worse, IMO. You only need to do a little research to realize that building was heavily damaged when the much larger building next to it fell, crashing into one side of it. The other side looked pretty good when it collapsed, leading to the hysteria.

    I’m not really asking for a whole lot here that major pundits know what they are talking about when they discuss well documented things many years after they happened, before calling them impossible. That’s his damn craft and he’s a disgrace.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  13. Whaa! I love Prison Planet! How else can one keep up with the latest on how Big Brother and Big Foot are conspiring with Extraterrestrial lizards to dominate the world through the FED which is secretly run by Socialist crypto-Jew Masons?

    Aaron Worthing- Dead Guy isn’t really talking about a conviction, he is talking about what it takes to put you on the watch list. You don’t need to be convicted of anything to go on the list, you just have to be suspected.

    The Prison Planet non-story may be a riff off of real stories coming out about the FBI infiltrating domestic organizations and then some of those organizations being described as potential domestic terror groups. Organizations like the Quakers (and others who are not so nice).

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/4667-feds-slammed-for-spying-on-anti-war-groups-lying

    Here is the Justice Department Report
    http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s1009r.pdf

    The real story is another cautionary tale about what happens when you start yet another “war on _____” and don’t watch the watchmen as it were. Fortunately someone was watching the FBI and hopefully will calm them down and make them be honest.

    Bye the bye If you don’t like the NewAmerican take(I found that site randomly via google search,I don’t follow the blog) then you can always go see Michelle Malkin’s take on it which is as biased and loony as the Prison Planet story but at least based on an interpretation of actual documents.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  14. Drudge is not a “gossip site” but Drudge is waging a war against Big Sis (Janet) Napolitano as proxy for big government in general and government internet meddling specifically. This Jones creep is just another brick to throw at that wall. Drudge should get a better brick. I suspect the TSA controversy (nonsense security theater to cover the government’s big silly ass in the event of the next act of terrorism) is also just another brick to throw at that wall. Now that’s a better brick!

    AMartel (88c646)

  15. Aaron Worthing, the claim that the 6.5mm Carcano bullet found with Connolly was pristine was a false one based on a single photograph. Rotate the bullet 90 degrees and it shows significant deformation. Indeed, quite a bit for a bullet of its construction. None of the Conspiracy nut writers ever show the other photograph.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  16. My father shot 6.5 Carcano and 8mm Mauser Spitzer. He showed me how the round-nose Carcano would go through a tree but the 8mm would not.

    nk (db4a41)

  17. martel

    interesting… its like as if… these conspiracy theorists… were in a conspiracy…

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  18. Bugliosi, who has shown himself not immune to conspiracies of this last decade, debunked all the
    conspiracy theories in one huge tome, the most intereresting were the French Connection alleged
    shooters, one small problem they were all in jail on November 22nd

    rainer wolfcastle (9d0688)

  19. Okay, Aaron. I still don’t completely understand what you said (darned lawyer speak), but I’ll take your word for it. Thank you. I feel a little better.

    Thankfully, I don’t have to fly anytime soon. I’m sure this will all come up again over Christmas.

    DeadGuy (becaa9)

  20. Thankfully, I don’t have to fly anytime soon.

    Same here.

    It’s a shame, because I used to love air travel and go out of my way to fly, but now it’s horrible and I’m really hesitant in particular to put kids through this lesson on obedience and indignity.

    Amtrak is going to let me carry guns now. If only they were faster, I would strongly consider never flying again.

    Dustin (Actual) (b54cdc)

  21. dustin

    they should let you carry guns. unlike on a plane, a gun isn’t too much of an inherent danger. and if anyone tries to kill you on the train, you can shoot them with your own gun.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  22. I just skimmed the article but came away with the impression that the person that fit this part

    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

    of the description is Obama.

    John (98859b)

  23. I will forgive those on this site who like myself thought Alex Jones was a nut,It was shock to me that once I had the opportunity to listen to alex rather than hear about him that his facts are just that, facts. . Drudge like many of us is putting it out there .I see the attack dogs circling because they know we are winning and they are apoplectic over it. So ,, A call to all intelectualy honest folks , investigate the veracity of his claims before you simply dismiss him. I am glad I did ,good luck, they don’t call it “info-wars” for nothing

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  24. sailfished

    Its a fact that michelle malkin is mail order trash?

    It certainly isn’t a fact that mere protest can get you declared legally a terrorist.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  25. So a ‘mere ‘evidently is a protest so benign ,unimaginative and lackluster that it is no protest at all.I know it is important to you that the people stay asleep,but the fact is is that what happened on 9-11 is viral ,science trumps wishful thinking and your sad attempt at obfuscation.I can guarantee you that I am on that list and I am damn proud of it . It feels good to be on the right side of history

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  26. Watching video of Alex Jones running after Michelle Malkin at a public event screaming that she was a Nazi pretty much put the jerk in a class by himself to me.

    Machinist (74634b)

  27. You were joking about Geraldo, right? You know he already did a whole segment with Tower7 Nutties? And he believes it.

    kas (b8aaff)

  28. Sal

    > So a ‘mere ‘evidently is a protest so benign, unimaginative and lackluster”

    Check the statute. As long as you are not committing a crime that endagers human life. Now if that isn’t enough for you, well, tough, because the first amendment isn’t a license to hurt people.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  29. Kas

    I wouldn’t know what he did on the subject. I barely see him or think about him. But he always struck me as a sane, albeit liberal, guy.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  30. The only people who believe the “official story “are those who have not investigated it.Michelle Malkin has called for the criminal prosecution of those who question 9-11, Michelle Malkin is not interested in the truth, she is a traitor to honest reporting

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  31. I think you forgot to capitalize TRUTH.

    Machinist (74634b)

  32. You would not want them to think you are insufficiently indoctrinated.

    Machinist (74634b)

  33. sailfish got tail-hooked, and is suffering from O2 deprivation due to being dragged backwards through the water.

    AD-RtR/OS! (434c01)

  34. sail

    So let me see if i understand you correctly. You are asserting that people have been convicted of something not declared a crime by congress?

    Bwahahahaha.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  35. I am comforted to know that folk like Aaron are leading the pathetic battle againstTRUTH.Please don’t stop ,double down, the contrast between your silly attempts to mock us only serve to illustrate how bankrupt your positions are .thank-you

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  36. This fish person has reached Yelverton levels of incoherence in but a few comments.

    JD (6e25b4)

  37. thank you for reinforcing my point so eloquently jd

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  38. Is there a shortage on tinfoil?

    JD (0d2ffc)

  39. You know how expensive tin is nowadays.

    narciso (91a751)

  40. now that is what I call a hard hitting and unique comment, I’m so stunned by the tinfoil slur that I don’t know how I will ever recover, where on earth did you find such clever material ,you really should develop the tinfoil thing ,it is such an elegant arguement who could stand up to such a mind ,

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  41. What are you seriously going to deny that an Egyptian member of the FDNY had provided them
    the blueprints of the WTC, so they had more than
    a little data to complete their calculations of their mission, that Bin Laden proudly admitted to ordering the operation, the KSM was beaming over
    the effort he helped bring along

    narciso (91a751)

  42. “I see the attack dogs circling because they know we are winning”

    Fish, I think they actually just disagree with you and think these ideas are irrational.

    You say ‘we’re winning’ but you don’t actually rebut my argument above that, if accurate, proves WTC7 was brought down because airplanes hit a building nearby that struck one side of the building, damaging it and causing a fire.

    What are you winning? Why would you presume to think you’re in a position to ‘forgive’ people who disagree with you? Debate doesn’t have to be an ‘info war’. It can be a rational back and forth.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  43. I appreciate your candor, I was one , like yourself who felt confident that the murmuring malcontents who claimed that the official story was insufficient to explain the events of 9-11,were unpatriotic nuts, my eyes would glaze over , I told one friend/ aquaintence, what am I supposed to do with this information? He replied ,well how do you explain bldg #7. bldg 7? I have no idea what you are talking about! And so it began, So I suppose I could spoon feed you all the overwhelming evidence,but rather than do that I would prefer to leave it to your own honest curiousity to ferret out the fact s. ae911truth,bldg.what.org, I could do your research for you but I think it would be counterproductive, I would prefer that my investigation of this phenomena had brought me to a different conclusion.Most of the commenters on this site seem honest and intelligent ,that is why I frequent it.The laws of physics were not broken that day ,but the nist report suspended and distorted the reality of what transpired.If I came off as arrogant I apologize, but I cannot help but to be frustrated by the lack of critical thinking,and investigation of the facts around this case. I am tired of people saying ,I have no intention of checking this out for myself because I am smarter than you . That’s all

    sailfished (b32b4e)

  44. “I am tired of people saying ,I have no intention of checking this out for myself because I am smarter than you . That’s all”

    Fair enough.

    And I don’t question your patriotism. I have looked into some of these claims about 9/11 and honestly think the US Government was not involved, but if someone honestly thought otherwise, the patriotic thing to do is to make noise about it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  45. AMTRAK & Guns….
    Firearms can only be in checked, locked luggage, the same as on airliners.

    AD-RtR/OS! (434c01)

  46. That’s just not acceptable, AD.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  47. (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—

    …..(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

    …..(B) appear to be intended—

    …..…..(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

    …..…..(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

    …..…..(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

    …..(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

    This crap is scary.

    A+B(ii)+C == Quite Possible Actual Freedom Fighter vs. Overreaching US Government, not “Domestic Terrorist”

    Sorry, it IS permissible to “intimidate or coerce” federal officials. It’s criminal under most circumstances, but there are certainly conditions under which it’s appropriate. This sets federal officials under a separate class of people who are protected by “special conditions” that allow the federal government itself to violate your Constitutional rights.

    The potential for misuse here is massive.

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)

  48. Alex Jones has the guts to say what others won’t.

    Cheryl Jones (cdc1e4)

  49. Okay, that was just freakin hysterical. Brava.

    JD (822109)

  50. It is not “guts” to spin lunatic conspiracy theories and race-baiting crap.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. Ah, my mistake, Cheryl is just pimping her SEO website.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  52. Cheryl,

    I’m hoping, for your sake, that your last name is just a coincidence.

    Alex Jones is a lying hate-monger, and you are a fool who buys internet marketing products and even coaching services, doesn’t make a profit for all that, and still keeps going like the deluded moron chump you are. The “About” page on your website makes that clear, but doesn’t stop you for a moment by having a flat-out lie as your masthead:

    “How I AM Making Money on the Internet”

    Bull.

    But more to the point, you support this racist, (Filipina, at least) woman-hating truther with his wild paranoid “theories”, and I’m being kind.

    Go live your life and be the kind of person you are: A sucker to give your money to hucksters, and a sucker to give your mind to different hucksters.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  53. Ah, the toothers are poking their heads out. Must be 12 more weeks of winter.

    Icy Texan (f62247)

  54. Without a doubt, the greatest proof of Cheryl Jones’ SEO, traffic generation, and internet money-making expertise claims, is that her main, original website has dozens and dozens posts without a single comment on the topics of internet marketing, success, politics, and more.

    If that doesn’t scream “credibility” from someone claiming, in CAPS, to be making money online and to help you get traffic to your website, I don’t know what does.

    Cheryl isn’t just a student of hucksters — she’s a huckster herself! She just isn’t any good at it.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  55. Even Cheryl Jones’ list of “Resources” on her site, is nothing more than several thumbnail-image affiliate hyperlinks to crap products. Not one of them is an actual, you know, resource in the usual meaning of the term, offered by Cheryl to be of value to her prospective customer, and so establish a relationship which may bring future transactions down the line.

    No, you go to her falsely-claiming-to-be making money site, the “Resources” it offers sales pitches aimed at you to benefit her.

    And I’m sure she still makes hardly any sales (no one ever commenting on her many long posts, points in that direction) and nowhere near enough sales to cover what she has spent in info-products and personal coaching.

    She is being totally had, deceived, and is attempting to have and deceive others (by, among other things, falsely claiming to be making money, which any reasonable person would equate with earning a profit). It is not surprising to me at all that this is the type of person who would then rise up in indignant defense of Alex Jones.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  56. Oh, and why do I care? I hate scammy, dishonest internet marketers that provide no value other than sucking people’s money and hope and lives away from them. I hate them almost as much as I do truthers.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  57. Wasn’t aware canada was an autocracy and Stephen Harper was running a military junta.

    BTW Alex Jones has no problem agreeing with the left on certain things.

    DohBiden (15aa57)


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