Snark Fail: Gawker Mocks Sarah Palin for Her Supposedly Stupid, Yet Ultimately Correct Legal Position
Almost daily, it seems, some liberal moron criticizes Sarah Palin for being stupid — and then gets shown up. To take one recent and memorable example, she was taken apart for telling Tea Partiers to “Party like it’s 1773.” Stupid Sarah Palin! The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776! Except that, er, the Boston Tea Party (which inspired the Tea Party movement) occurred in . . . 1773.
With that as background, relish this gem from Gawker:
Did you catch the excerpt we posted yesterday from Sarah Palin’s new book? Sarah did. She tweets with rage: “The publishing world is LEAKING out-of-context excerpts of my book w/out my permission? Isn’t that illegal?”
[Sarah: If you’re reading this—and if you are, welcome!—you may want to take a moment to familiarize yourself with the law. Try starting here or here. Or skip the totally boring reading and call one of your lawyers. They’ll walk you through it.]
By now, you’ve guessed the punchline. Palin’s publisher Harper Collins sued Gawker, and a judge pretty much instantaneously ordered Gawker to pull down the excerpts. Next comes the part where Gawker pays monetary damages.
Hey Gawker legal geniuses: if you’re reading this — and if you are, welcome! — you may want to take a moment to actually read the links you posted. Here is one quote you might have found instructive, had you bothered to click on your own links:
[Y]ou will have a stronger case of fair use if the material copied is from a published work than an unpublished work. The scope of fair use is narrower for unpublished works because an author has the right to control the first public appearance of his expression.
Sarah Palin’s book comes out Tuesday. The fact that it is (as of yet) unpublished, is a huge factor against you. In fact, the case that immediately sprang to mind when I read your idiotic snark was the famous case where the Nation published excerpts from Gerald Ford’s unpublished memoirs. Was that case mentioned in the links you gave Ms. Palin? Oddly enough, it was!
Not a fair use. The Nation magazine published excerpts from ex-President Gerald Ford’s unpublished memoirs. The publication in The Nation was made several weeks prior to the date of serialization of Mr. Ford’s book in another magazine. Important factors: The Nation’s copying seriously damaged the marketability of Mr. Ford ‘s serialization rights. (Harper & Row v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985).)
Finally, there is the asshole factor — another point mentioned in one of your links:
When you review fair use cases, you may find that they sometimes seem to contradict one another or conflict with the rules expressed in this chapter. Fair use involves subjective judgments and are often affected by factors such as a judge or jury ‘s personal sense of right or wrong. Despite the fact that the Supreme Court has indicated that offensiveness is not a fair use factor, you should be aware that a morally offended judge or jury may rationalize its decision against fair use.
Somehow, a bunch of snark mocking a correct legal position — and snidely advising the correct party to consult a lawyer if reading is too hard — seems to fail the “don’t be offensive” test. But maybe that’s just me.
Don’t ya just love when that happens? You betcha!
Bill M (12e02d) — 11/21/2010 @ 1:03 amIdiots
Icy Texan (d01b6a) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:11 amGawker is the designated “bill reader” for the Democratic Party so the Democrats don’t have to read the bills they pass. A perfect world gets better.
cedarhill (7742c1) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:34 amDamn! And I was just about to leak excerpts from happyfeet’s new book: “My Secret Mama Grizzly Wuv”.
Icy Texan (d01b6a) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:19 amOne can excuse Palingates, a thick steaming cup of European bile and arrogance, but mostly fail, for not knowing the law, but Gawker, well one wonders
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:40 am‘what do they read after all’ And they get a second helping since they facilitated Kernell’s electronic
theft, serving as his pawnshop
it is of surpassing importance that The People receive the Sacred Text in accordance with Her wishes
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:52 amI’m getting really tired about all these guttersnipes coming out of the woodwork, incl the establishment GOP types. Waht is it with these guys, is she really such a threat to them? That also incl Mona Charen, and Barbara Bush as of late!
inge (1ec0bc) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:04 amhappyfeet:
Are you in favor of theft from everyone, or only from those you hate? After all, Gawker did STEAL from Palin and her publisher.
Rhymes With Right (9016cf) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:21 amIt is fear. And yes, she is a threat to them.
Jay Stevens (4638e0) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:25 amoh. Do you mean to say that She values the Sacred Text primarily for its monetary value?
I thought she was trying to bring the Palin Thinkings to the people as widely as possible that we might bask in Her wisdoms.
I shall have to rethink this matter of the leaking of the Sacred Text.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:09 amGawker will be producing a “yes, but….” response very quickly, I’m sure. Palin,who is not an attorney, was asking if it is illegal. Hell, she was “tweeting.” Seems like a pretty reasonable question.
Notice that Gawker reports that they are sure she was “….with rage.” Do people tweet with rage?
Now, she’s gotta make sure she is on solid ground when she asks questions like this. A million leftist idiots (but I repeat myself) can blog like they’re brilliant, and be totally wrong and the world won’t notice. But if someone on the right pulls on a locked door, writes on their hand or accidentally shoots some guy in the face then suddenly it is proof of evil and/or stupidity.
ukuleledave (ab2451) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:17 amHarper-Collins didn’t invest in Palin from the goodness of their heart. This is a serious business where the goal is to make money and publish books; it’s also one that has been hit very hard by the competition of electronic media. Why wouldn’t they protect their asset and investment?
Gawker fires at the easy target, Palin, rather than Harper-Collins. But I’m so glad she took Gawker’s ironic advice and consulted a lawyer. It seems to have worked out very well for her.
Interestingly, when asked for comment,
Gawker Media LLC couldn’t immediately be reached for comment Saturday but appeared to have removed the images from it’s site.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:20 amIt seems to have worked out very well for her.
Boy howdy it sure has. Sarah Palin is rich! She’s like richer than Susan Boyle even and all the Palins drive Cadillacs and eat tasty salmons almost everyday and that’s like $6.99 a pound at Ralph’s (WITH CARD).
She has a tv studio in her house! Golly can you imagine what her electric bill must be like?
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:21 amhappyfeet,
I don’t have any problem at all with Palin’s successes:
She has become wealthy due to her speaking engagements and books and television appearances. She is clearly a savvy, smart, motivated woman who is not the least bit afraid of hard work. And one whom the public adores. What is objectionable about that? This is what most people strive toward: Success.
If there were no audience, she would not have this sort of success. So wouldn’t your criticism be more accurately directed at those who pony up to purchase her books, listen to her speak, and watch her shows, etc?
(And if Palin tasty salmon every day, isn’t is kinda great that they can fish for it themselves? I don’t think Ralphs $6.99 enters the picture at all…)
It’s all become so Pavlovian with you and Mrs. Palin.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:34 ampavlovian more better describes how the American people lust after Neophyte Rockstar Political Opportunists while their sad pathetic once-great little country circles the drain of history
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:38 amYes, Sarah Palin is doing very well for herself and her family, and it drives the lefties nuts!
Like El Rushbo, Palin’s living rent-free in their heads.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:40 am…and let’s not forget that Palin’s optimism and happiness also make the lefties nuts, Bradley.
How dare she not be cynical and pessimistic – why that’s positively anti-intellectual!
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:53 amand let’s not forget Palin also makes lefties vote!
she’s the closest thing bumblef has to a golden ticket come 2012
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:57 amDana,
How dare she not be cynical and pessimistic – why that’s positively anti-intellectual!
I had that in mind, too. Palin is supposed to be endlessly apologizing for America’s crimes and bowing to foreign leaders. As an evil Republican, she should be miserable. But instead she’s happy. She’s a baaaaad role model that must be put down at all costs!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:02 amI dunno happyfeet,
It looks to me like they drive pickup trucks and SUV’s; appropriate vehicles for Alaska I think.
And that Salmon you pay $6.99/lb. for is cheap in Alaska, or next to free if you fish like the Palin’s seem to like to do.
I don’t agre that theirs is conspicuous consumption.
Just sayin’
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:14 amIt’s kind of sad when a political distaste becames bitter reflex.
Eric Blair (ffe6ea) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:27 amSalmon is tasty I used to make a salmon and white bean soup but now I can’t remember how I bet I could google though.
If I find a good recipe I’ll start saving up!
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:28 amYeah Happy-tard. Opie the Kenyan dimwit was handing out copies of “DREAMS OF MY DRUNK FATHER” and “AUDACITY OF A RACIST”, for free.
gus (36e9a7) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:30 amIt’s comical. The Kenyan dimwit is a COMMIE who oves the free market when it works for him.
Learn something you blubbering fool.
president bumblef is a dirty socialist disaster Mr. gus but I don’t think that we as staunch conservatives need to counter bumblef by scraping the bottom of the candidate barrel… there are lots of experienced un-annoying candidates what are way more worthy of Team R’s confidence than is Sarah Palin.
She’s more a product of a reality tv mindset than she is a for reals capable leader what is up to dealing with the immense challenges facing our little country.
Just cause the dirty socialists elected a glamorous bimbo doesn’t mean it’s our turn.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:34 amHappyTard cannot refute Sarah Palin. Simple as that.
gus (36e9a7) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:36 amHey Happytard how’s the Kenyan dimwit working out for ya??? Still stuck on stupid??
^^^
wow, that’s probably about the most sane I’ve seen happyfeet. still a little misogynistic, but not ugly about it.
rtrski (033232) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:36 amAnd gus, you’re wrong if you think by disliking the Palin brand, he’s in any way espousing a liberal viewpoint. Why can’t one be conservative, think Palin has some nice messages and tends to speak mostly in the same mental camp as yourself…but still not see her as a candidate you’d enjoy voting for? Still get a bit of a whiff of ‘manufactured’ personality from her?
rtrski (033232) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:39 amer. Yes Mr. gus the Kenyan dimwit is still stuck on stupid and I’m not at all sure what is to be done about it.
But nominating someone what energizes the left as much as Sarah Palin promises to do is probably not a super-great idea if our goal is for the Kenyan dimwit to be a one-term president.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:39 amYou know it’s ironic when Frank Rich has a better angle on this, then our jaundiced pikachu, despite
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 9:52 amthe layer of bile. The left pitied John McCain despite the fact that he signed on to too many of
their premises, (campaign finance, interrogations, climate change, regulating baseball teams) He was
a staunch patriot, specially on Iraq, but other than that, he towed the premise line, Maureen Callahan, of the Post, is my new foe
I can understand thinking Palin is not the best qualified candidate for president; I believe that myself. What I don’t sympathize with is the visceral, nasty antipathy toward Palin. I’m not surprised to see that visceral nastiness among the Dems, but Republicans should know better.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:02 amHappyfeet? More like Sadass. Don’t take it so personally, hon.
Jim Treacher (e041de) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:12 amBro Bradley:
Yeah, I tend not to like that much vituperation either. But I can kind of understand it, when (a) she keeps getting pushed down your throat by her own ‘political machine’, and (b) that gives the left more and more ammunition to use her as representing all “your” (conservative) views (therefore, in typical scarecrow fashion, all her weaknesses must automatically represent the entire movement’s weaknesses).
Not defending the pikachu, or at least not intending to do so. But I understand it, a little bit.
And to your point about ‘Republicans knowing better’, most of the rabid discussion I’ve heard comes from other conservatives telling me I’m crazy to have this niggling little questioning voice inside of me about her. By showing any doubt, you’re immediately booted off the reservation. (See ‘gus’ above for example.) Fortunately I don’t mistake that rejection for evidence I should be giving the lefty viewpoint a better listen.
I do agree the left does enough knee-jerk ‘she said it = it must be wrong’ crap that they end up kicking their own arse half the time…but just because they do that, and Palin ends up inviting it further in a kind of “NA-na-na-NA-na!” baiting way means I don’t see her as a solution to the problem, either.
I do hope like heck she stays in the fray, at least for a little while. She’s a great diversionary tactic, if nothing else. I just don’t want to mistake that for actual “strategery”.
rtrski (033232) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:15 amof course it’s personal Mr. Treacher when a huge swath of Team R stands revealed as less interested in finding a president what can help all of America and more interested in Sarah Palin’s hee-haw brand of identity politics
Our little country is in big trouble in little china and the window during which we might salvage some small fragments to shore against our ruin is closing.
It is sad.
Our only hope I think is that maybe Team R will value its new-found legislative strength enough to not want to jeopardize if by putting their eggs in cable news personality Sarah Palin’s basket. Cause president bumblef would wipe the floor with her in 2012. Why? Cause she has no value proposition over and about what the empty-headed razzle dazzle goofball what we have now is offering.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:24 amto jeopardize *it* I mean
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:25 amrtrski,
By showing any doubt, you’re immediately booted off the reservation.
That’s also wrong, of course. There has to be a way to tone down the hostility in what should be a friendly debate.
I do hope like heck she stays in the fray, at least for a little while. She’s a great diversionary tactic, if nothing else. I just don’t want to mistake that for actual “strategery”.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:28 amWhile I also wish Palin were a little more media-savvy like Reagan was, I get a kick out of how Palin infuriates the left into losing what wits they have. They keep on misunderestimating her, refudiating their pretense of savvy intellectualism.
But I can kind of understand it, when (a) she keeps getting pushed down your throat by her own ‘political machine’, and (b) that gives the left more and more ammunition to use her as representing all “your” (conservative) views (therefore, in typical scarecrow fashion, all her weaknesses must automatically represent the entire movement’s weaknesses).
Is it her own “political machine” that keeps pushing her down the throat – or is it those who loathe her who continue to do that?
There doesn’t seem to be one day that passes that the NYT/LAT/Media Matters/HuffPo, etc., that doesn’t make yet another attack on her – whether disingenuously while pretending to do a balanced piece on her, or just a flat-out snark. Mostly I see Palin defending herself, more than being the flame thrower. And is it not appropriate for her to be able to post at WSJ, or FB, or Twitter whatever she wants to say re policy and/or the decisions being currently made by this administration.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:28 amPatterico,
Dude, zing.
Fritz (ac48cc) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:29 amDear Bradley:
And not just the Left. It’s funny. The folks who keep posting such snark and rude comments seem obsessesed. They would do better detailing, post after post, why people they like better are excellent.
But they don’t. First, it’s easier to snark. Secondly, they never consider how what they do serves the Left.
Or maybe they do.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:41 amhappyfeet,
of course it’s personal Mr. Treacher when a huge swath of Team R stands revealed as less interested in finding a president what can help all of America and more interested in Sarah Palin’s hee-haw brand of identity politics
That’s exactly what I mean by visceral nastiness, happyfeet. Palin has dealt with important issues in a thoughtful way, folksy persona notwithstanding. Her understanding of energy policy, for example, is far more accurate and sophisticated than Obama’s. She expounds on energy at length in Going Rogue, which I have read. Have you?
Palin understands the benefit of tapping our abundant supplies of natural gas and other fossil fuels. She successfully negotiated with big oil companies to get more money for Alaska, a much underrated achievement. Obama prates delusionally about energy independence through solar energy and wind farms.
Are there better choices than Palin? I’ve advocated for Mitch Daniels, who has a more extensive record in a more populous state. I also think he’s more electable. Daniels is not perceived as a culture warrior, but rather as an economic conservative. But please drop the unwarranted snark about Palin; it’s unbecoming of you.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:42 amGood luck with that, Bradley.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:44 amEric,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:46 amI just have to tilt at windmills. Oh, just to see HF non-satirically admit that Palin has any admirable qualities to be desired in a president. . .
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/11/sarah-now-you-get-to-give-gawker-tsa.html
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:47 amMr. Bradley she is the queen of the freaking obvious with most of her policy positions but especially when it comes to energy policy.
Name one position she has taken in the realm of energy what isn’t firmly ensconced in the firmament of duh.
And I have to disagree – lightweights like Palin and Obama what strive to reduce our little country’s presidency to a bauble to be passed about amongst celebritard opportunists are very very deserving of our scorn as Americans.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:51 amhmmm. Tell me more of this Mitch Daniels.
He sounds like a promising candidate.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:52 amJust because a policy is obvious, doesn’t mean it will be adopted, check the last 30 years, in your adopted state, for example
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 10:56 amWell, Bradley, at least he isn’t yelling “hootch.”
Yet.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:05 amMy iPad even objected to the term!
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:06 amhttp://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/11/21/robert-reich-palin-realistic-candidate-president-not-clear-gm-bailout
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:06 amPalin’s “Hee-Haw identity politics”?
Are you really serious? It sounds a lot like you’ve decided that the “What’s a matter with Kansas” crowd were right all along.
David Brooks would approve wholeheartedly.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:10 amhappyfeet,
Mr. Bradley she is the queen of the freaking obvious with most of her policy positions but especially when it comes to energy policy.
As narciso aptly pointed out, what you may think of as obvious isn’t so to a large swathe of our political leaders and establishment. And she actually used her energy policy knowledge as governor to benefit Alaska.
You seem determined to avoid giving Palin credit for anything.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:15 amhaters gotta hate….. they can’t help themselves.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:19 amyou are making dubious inferences Mr. Reed… the central thesis of the Kansas dealio is that people in some wanker’s view people in places like Kansas do not vote in consonance with their economic self-interest. I do not think this is right.
But nor do I think that nominating the deeply unimpressive Sarah Palin is in anyone’s self-interest anywhere.
Also David Brooks is who? He’s an irrelevant if unapologetic whore for Viv Schiller’s National Soros Radio. Let us speak no further of this David Brooks.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:20 amAs one of the students put it, aptly, some folks are all about drinking the Haterade.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:21 amoh. there was supposed to be a … after “that people”
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:21 amIf they don’t teach “the asshole factor” in law school, they ought to. Nice.
Cecil Turner (1d49ea) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:28 amfeets, you keep saying, and I’ll paraphrase your words, that Palin is “unimpressive”…
But, you also keep saying she is right.
You don’t like her.
She is right.
So, you think someone else that is “impressive” but “wrong, sometimes” would be better.
reff (b43ea5) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:43 am“Also David Brooks is who? He’s an irrelevant if unapologetic whore for Viv Schiller’s National Soros Radio. Let us speak no further of this David Brooks.”
Says the man who cannot stop talking about SP.
Dave C (ecbf4b) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:53 amSorry to say happyfeet, you and David “Love your crease” Brooks are frighteningly sympatico of late.
He thinks Palin appeals to a rubish lowest common denominator crowd, and is happy to say so whenever and wherever, and is currently gushing over Mitch Daniels.
I’m not trying to be insulting by pointing any of this out, but instead am just putting the facts out there.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:13 pmdoes that mean I get to go on Viv Schiller’s National Soros Radio?
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:17 pm“Are there better choices than Palin?”
Bradley – I believe Mr. Feets is a fan of Mr. Pence’s very Presidential hair, again looking at the superficial.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:19 pmhair is optional in the presidency I think Mr. daley
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:21 pmThis is me enjoying a very large slice of blueberry pie and a tasty beverage.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:22 pmI don’t think so happyfeet,
I mean, they fired Juan WIlliams just for saying Muslims in garb boarding planes makes him nervous. I think you’d give Viv a stroke if you lit into someone like you have been known to occasionally in the past. 🙂
Maybe a NY Times internship though, for a while at least; until, of course, you used the term of art “Dirty Socialist”. Then? Down the road…
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:24 pmI will say Mr. daley that if hair was the important thing Sarah Palin would be president for sure cause her hair is so pretty she could be on tv or something
I’m jealous of your pie cause of I am on restriction. I made RTO’s vegetable soup this weekend.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:24 pma journey of a thousand miles Mr. Reed starts with a single step
you know I bet this is gonna be the best Christmas ever in Casa Williams
they’ll probably have TWO sammins
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:26 pmI get a kick out of how Palin infuriates the left into losing what wits they have.
I love telling lefties that the only trouble I had voting for Sarah Palin was that I also had to vote for McCain. And when they then ask me if I’ll vote for her if she runs for President, I say, “Against Obama? Of course!” and watch their heads explode.
BTW, I don’t know what your mileage is, but the lefties I run into are easing back on the “dumb cluck” meme and pushing the “quitter” meme.
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:32 pmI hope this coming Christmas is wonderful in a lot of people’s Casa’s happyfeet.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:35 pm“they’ll probably have TWO sammins”
Mr. Feets – I’m gonna field dress a moose. I worked my little fingers to the bone sewing this great red outfit for it wif a neato white hat.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:38 pmmine is gonna be very austere I rigged it to where I don’t have to go nowheres and nobody is coming here… this is a very very rare treat for me
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:39 pmmooses are old and busted Mr. daley blue-eyed nigerian dwarf goats are the new hotness I read it on the internet
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:42 pmAs you wish happyfeet,
You sound a bit like my youngest brother!
But in my humble opinion, basking in the warm bosom of one’s loving family is one of the quintessential joys of the Christmas season; speaking as one who’s been at sea in very un-Christmas-like climes, doing very un-Christmas-like things, very far away from home during the season.
Different strokes, and all…
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:44 pmMr. Feets – I’m not into the new hotness and never was. ‘Sides mooses are still big in laska.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:45 pmusually it is but we already did family Disney this year and I need a break cause of while New Girl’s been gone I’ve been sorta … taxed a little.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:49 pmSeriously, what I think that the Palin H8Rs ought to do is simple. When someone posts about Palin, they should write:
“About Sarah Palin…”
And then write about a candidate that they think is better, not by comparing him (or her?) to Palin, but positively stating what is excellent about him (or her).
But the snark, sexist language, and wordplay does serve a purpose. It’s just not the purpose of making the nation better or stronger. It’s the difference between positivism and negativism.
My opinion only. Everyone’s mileage will vary, of course.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:50 pmyou say that Mr. daley and I bet you’ve never once tried blue-eyed nigerian dwarf goat
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 12:50 pm“I bet you’ve never once tried blue-eyed nigerian dwarf goat”
Mr. Feets – I hope you don’t mean in any kind of sick way. The family has a dog plus a 10 year-old rabbit what will eat anyfing, carpet, wicker, electric cords, blinds. I don’t need no midget goat.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 1:24 pmI think mostly you milk them
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 1:29 pmDon’t get caught with raw milk, the health-nazi’s will send a SWAT unit to your house.
AD-RtR/OS! (1f4eec) — 11/21/2010 @ 1:38 pmI drank goats milk as a kid. I’m done.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:21 pmI’ve had the tasty cheese is all
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:23 pmIt’s worth noting, I think, that Palin’s publishers are perfectly happy to concede fair use when it’s in another venue. Stranger still, her complaint is that this will depress the revenue she’d otherwise make off the book, which is an odd claim given that her entire life is, at this point, devoted to creating highly visible, petty squabbles that keep her in the public’s eye (or standing in front of Republicans and telling them what they knew she’ll say).
SEK (1d9681) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:35 pmHi, nk, and I agree.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:36 pmI drank goats milk as a kid. I’m done.
Comment by daleyrocks — 11/21/2010 @ 2:21 pm
We raised them. Milk, cheese, butter, and roast kid for Easter.
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:36 pmher entire life is, at this point, devoted to creating highly visible, petty squabbles that keep her in the public’s eye
hey also she builded a hockey rink and plus also she is by all accounts a relatively good mom and also she builded a hockey rink
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:37 pmHey, DRJ.
I don’t have a new email, yet.
Once you’ve been burned by the porridge, you’re wary of the yougurt. (Greek saying.)
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:38 pmConservatives4Palin seems like a pretty smart place to start a Palin marketing campaign, SEK. Surely you agree the publisher should decide how to market its publications?
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:38 pmnk,
I don’t blame you. That was a very mean thing someone did.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:40 pmI’m still looking for my free Tibet, but the store is out every time I ask.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:40 pmIs that not their choice, SEK?
hawker is beyond the ability to embarrass themselves.
JD (bd7f43) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:40 pmOh, by the way, you are all racist sexist misogynistic homophones, as well as authoritarian fascist imperialists. Seks and his ilk have deemed it so.
JD (bd7f43) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:42 pmSEK:
The point is that Sarah Palin and her publishers get to decide where her unpublished material will first be published.
This is not a hard concept to understand.
Patterico (c218bd) — 11/21/2010 @ 2:53 pmI think maybe Mr. SEK just finds Sarah Palin to be sort of annoying … how she can’t even release a lucrative book without a squabble squabble drama.
It gets flippin’ old.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:04 pmThis is not her drama, happyfeet, unless we are now blaming the victim.
JD (bd7f43) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:08 pmSarah Palin has become something of a professional victim I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:11 pm… her entire life is, at this point, devoted to creating highly visible, petty squabbles that keep her in the public’s eye (or standing in front of Republicans and telling them what they knew she’ll say).
SEK, would you consider it petty to seek the advice of your lawyer if you were a public figure and parts of your book were leaked without your consent? would that me that it is also petty for Harper-Collins to protect it’s business interest/investment?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:11 pmDana the whole thing could have been handled without Sarah twittering about it… she seems to have this compulsion to bleat like a gigged flounder at the slightest pretext.
The woman needs to learn to behave like a flippin’ professional not like she’s her own stage mother. Call your publisher and make sure they’re on the case and that’s that.
But instead there’s a mandatory squabble squabble drama what does nothing but further cheapen what is already a very tawdry and cheap-ass brand.
These are her instincts, such as they are. It’s very telling I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:17 pmComment by happyfeet — 11/21/2010 @ 3:17 pm
She has energy, is gutsy and balsy.
Not sufficient qualifications for a President, I admit, but necessary.
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:22 pmI know I have little patience but surely it gets old for other people too, no Mr. nk?
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:29 pmhappyfeet,
I suppose it could have, however, that she Twittered about it did two things: It brought the issue to the attention of the public, as well as setting up a massive arrogant entity like Gawker to make fools of themselves before said public.
I see that as a win-win.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:29 pmfeets….NO MATTER HOW Palin handled this, someone like you in the media would have done something critical of her. That she did it from a populist perspective should not make her your sworn enemy….
The problem here is that YOU are the one who takes what she does wrong nearly everytime she does it….NO MATTER WHAT she does….
reff (b43ea5) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:32 pmAnd, your last comment makes my point so very elloquently in your own words…
I thank you!
reff (b43ea5) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:34 pmShe has her base. A very loyal base. No politician can exist without a base.
We need a President who is not a panderer, and I don’t think she is one. Whether 50.1% of the voters agree with us …?
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:35 pmDana how is it a win win to direct attention to stuff you don’t want people to see? I don’t get that.
And making a fool of Gawker is not a particularly presidential-caliber pursuit I don’t think. In fact it’s a little self-indulgent given the horrendous state our little country is in.
Mr. reff this pretense that all of this unending Palin drama is of high import is wearing thin and I think we’re well into boy who cried wolf territory. But you can bet she won’t minimize this sort of thing cause… it’s all the woman has anymore. This is her life.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:35 pmActually as an ex officio member of the group, it was started because this passive aggressive garbage
that pikachu specializes, but Allah pioneered, is what created this C4P, including one of her chief speechwriters
All those who have come to her inner circle, like her speechwriter, are those who vouched for when
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:36 pmlies flowed like a raging river. It’s an exacting
standard
break for soulful scottish ditty
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:37 pmThat she did it from a populist perspective should not make her your sworn enemy….
Yes, that’s it – from a populist perspective…aka…the great unwashed, etc. It all makes sense now.
These are her instincts, such as they are. It’s very telling I think.
Is it possible, hf, that she was quite clear re the illegality of the leaked pages but shrewdly set up a group (Gawker) that was taking advantage of her? I think this is entirely possible. Do you? A clever pre-emptive strike, if you will.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:37 pmAnd making a fool of Gawker is not a particularly presidential-caliber pursuit I don’t think. In fact it’s a little self-indulgent given the horrendous state our little country is in.
Geez, happyfeet, I don’t think lying about dodging bullets in Bosnia is presidential-caliber either but it got someone a pretty nifty position close to POTUS.
I think Palin is sick and tired of getting pushed around but instead of folding and disappearing into the Alaska wilderness as her betters expected, she is kicking back. Any way she can. And why shouldn’t she?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:40 pmA clever pre-emptive strike, if you will.
jeez who can cares? Humiliate gawker FTW? For reals? Gawker was not possessed of any particular dignity before this and it shan’t be possessed of any particular dignity in the aftermath.
If this is how Sarah Palin gets her jollies she needs to raise the jolly bar.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:41 pmI think she has been fending off attacks her entire life but that Arizona deadwood tied her hands and sabotaged himself doing it in the Presidential campaign.
nk (db4a41) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:41 pmhappeyfeet owned by Jim Treacher.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:43 pmhappyfeet,
This isn’t just about Gawker – this is about Palin being the object of an endless torrent of attacks. You know this. That it’s Gawker that leaked her book, whatever. Once again, she was targeted, mocked, and she objected. And apparently was right in doing so.
That a cheap tabloid was involved is superfluous to the real issue.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:44 pmThese are, after all, the same people who went after Meg Whitman’s kids and bragged about it, who ran the “one-night stand” hit piece on Christine O’Donnell and bragged about it, and who created and spread the rumor of your [Palin] supposed boob-job and bragged about it.
And they bragged when they stole a partial copy of your book, and they dared you and taunted you to do something about it, and you did.
But please don’t stop there. Your TRO is the equivalent of a routine metal detector screening. You found the box-cutter, and confiscated it. Good so far, but not enough.
You need to have your lawyers give the people at Gawker a full nude-body scan and junk fondling.
Uncover the networks, Sarah. For all of our benefit and amusement.
It’s called discovery.In a litigation your lawyers are entitled to e-mails, and all Gawker’s internal documents regarding not only this theft, but you. Because you will want to prove that their intent was to harm you and damage you, so everything they ever have written off-the-record, everyone with whom they ever have communicated about you, every strategy they have employed to take you down, now is fair game.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:54 pmThe larger target, Palingates, a German site, which trawls in the most despicable rumors, can only be accesible through discovery, indirectly, do not pretend that this character demolition derby was accidental, it is quite deliberate, even that bumble
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 3:55 pmLevi, is a tool of the Alaskan version of the Justice Bros, and some high rolling lefties tied
to the Pentagon papers case
feets, YOU were the one here who has carried the actions as “DRAMA”….Palin correctly pointed out that Gawker was doing something illegal, and it’s people like YOU and Gawker who make it into “DRAMA”…
As pointed out by your “jollies” comment…..
reff (b43ea5) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:04 pmI think if Sarah wants to pursue a multi-million dollar jihad against gawker that’s definitely her choice and more power to her.
But getting into the mud with what is widely perceived to be a tabloid isn’t likely to burnish her presidentialness I don’t think.
So… more power to her.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:06 pmDid everyone see the humor implicit in this?
Hmmm… The self-examined life is not all that common these days, it appears.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:13 pmThe same with McGuiness, we all know him from the backstabbing he gave Nixon in ‘the Selling of the Presidency, where Ailes was more than a bit player,how he behaved in the MacDonald case, re Fatal Vision, well he wrote a veritable hackjob for Portfolio, relying in part with persons with a vested interest against the pipeline, which was disproved the Exxon merger a few months later, obscure by the gap toothed weatherman from Muncie,
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:20 pmso when it was known that this rat was in proximityto her family, she turned the tables, pinning the tale on the donkey, as it were
Mr. Feets – We have the sammins here in the Midwest too. A few different kinds. If you go out on the Lake Michigan you can sometimes look down and go WHOA!, what’s that big fish swimming around down there. It could be a sammin or it could be a trowt. We got a few kinds of those too. The water got clear a while back cause the zebra muscles ate up all the dirty stuff so you can see way down deep. Course that made it harder for fish like perch and smelt to hide so there are not as many of those tasty guys. The Lake Michigan is a big and interesting place. They have real shipwrecks too.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:26 pmsometimes nature is tasty but mostly it’s treacherous
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:28 pmMr. Feets – No killer stingrays here.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:35 pmnature: hey happy c’mon out and play no stingrays I promise
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:40 pmhey daley, you’re not going all Stockholm Syndrome on us what from hanging around happyfeet so much lately, are you. I dropped in here to see what’s what, and for a moment didn’t know where I was. RU OK?
elissa (bf1a25) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:45 pmIn related news, one has a Politico piece, trying
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 4:50 pmto bury Angle after the fact, with many ‘Republican’ sources, but one official source, a spokesman for the NRSC, yes from the ‘folks that brought you Pearl Harbor,’ and Lisa Murkowski, but
mostly Lisa Murkowski
miss elissa – Thank you for asking. I was about to throw some goat on the barbie with a jamaican jerk dry rub. Some yams and plantains as tasty sides. Don’t know where I got the idea.
I may pop in a video of Mu Fair Lady.
I am just fabulous.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:07 pmMy not Mu
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:08 pmDon’t think I’ve ever had much goat, it’s not a typical Latin holiday meal without pork, the other
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:11 pmwhite meat though
miss elissa – I’m gonna eat turkey stuffed sammins for thanksgiving in honor of Mr.Feets.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:13 pmnarciso – Jamaicans eat a lot of goat.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:13 pmJust please stay away from cooking smelt even though they are cheaper than sammins and goats, I think Mr. Daley.
elissa (bf1a25) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:25 pmmiss elissa – Smelts only outside in a stiff breeze. Alewives a different story, but they are out of season.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 5:36 pmhappyfeet,
hmmm. Tell me more of this Mitch Daniels.
Daniels is governor of Indiana, and has led the state through good and hard times. Wikipedia has an excellent summary of his career, with links to sources.
Daniels is a former top executive of Eli Lilly, the Indianapolis-based pharmaceutical giant, and served in the Bush II administration as OMB director.
Elected governor of Indiana in 2004, Daniels successfully attacked one of the biggest reasons for state profligacy — public employee unions. (California desperately needs this). He turned a $600 million deficit into a $300 million surplus in a single year.
Daniels, warming my Libertarian heart, also called for a truce between economic and social conservatives. That offended some of the more zealous social conservatives and their activist groups, but it’s a plus with everyone else.
Aside from that, the main knock on Daniels is that he’s not charismatic enough to be president. But perhaps we’ve had enough of our current president, whose main credential was his supposed charisma, and people are ready to choose a president who knows what he’s talking about.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:39 pmI’ve had enough of charisma to last me many many moons. Least as long as it takes to put our little country’s fiscal house in order.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:44 pmI liked his suspending the government unions, in the state, for what it’s worth, from the 12 in 12 bit. What he should have focused on, from the getgo
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:47 pmhappyfeet,
Here’s a nice profile of Daniels in Big Government.com
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:48 pmMitch Daniels may have the demeanor of a staffer, and he has, indeed, done a great deal of work in that capacity. But – like Bobby Jindal, who is 39, and Chris Christie, who is 47 – “The Blade,” who is 61, is a man of executive temperament ready, willing, and able to take charge. Thanks to his stewardship, Indiana is solvent, and it is one of the nine American states with a triple-A bond rating. Moreover, it has begun attracting venture capital; for the first time in decades, people are moving into state; and, though it has only 2% of the national population, Indiana can boast that it garnered 7% of the new jobs created in the United States in the last year.
he sounds awesome plus he’s not waist deep in romneycare
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:50 pmThe point is that Sarah Palin and her publishers get to decide where her unpublished material will first be published.
Yes, but that just makes the “fair use” claim disingenuous, especially with The Nation decision as a precedent. As you write:
The Nation’s copying seriously damaged the marketability of Mr. Ford ‘s serialization rights.
Those serialization rights are the cornerstone of that argument, and they’re completely irrelevant in this case because her book’s being published on Tuesday. Moreover, as her career at this point consists of playing the victim in public fora, she’s more likely to benefit from a liberal site criticizing her work, snark or no snark.
This really seems to me a case of her inability to accept criticism of any sort without throwing a tantrum. She may be legally justified in doing so, but it’s a tantrum nonetheless.
SEK (1d9681) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:54 pmHere’s a surprisingly favorable look at Daniels in the wake of his “truce” comment from an Indiana alt-weekly.
“I chose the word truce because no one has to change their point and no one has to surrender,” he added in a statement to the Washington Examiner. “Simply, we have to come together to address what I believe are the most urgent problems of the country.”
Makes sense to me. And, to be honest, as often as I disagree with Daniels on policy, his intentions here are entirely admirable. The country is, indeed, a financial mess, and that mess wants direct, sustained attention. As importantly, it needs concerted attention: compromise and good-faith negotiation between parties and among Republicans themselves, who, at the moment, seem more interested in stoking voter fears for short term gains, even to the point of advocating armed insurrection against the government.
With all the talk on the right about tyranny and end times for America, this kind of rhetoric is dangerously ironic. Daniels’ clear-sighted brand of realpolitik could be its antidote for thinking conservatives. It’s a step in the right direction for the Republican Party at the very least, which could have some constructive economic ideas now and then if it weren’t so terrified of the Pat Robertsons of the world.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:57 pmOh, my.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 6:57 pm“Simply, we have to come together to address what I believe are the most urgent problems of the country.”
that is the TROOF!
Personally I think we should just pass that tepid deficit plan bumble’s commission barfed out in toto as written and then start tweaking from there.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:01 pmThis really seems to me a case of her inability to accept criticism of any sort without throwing a tantrum.
That may not be her fault she really may just not know any better
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:02 pmOh, my.
What do you have against plurals?
SEK (1d9681) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:04 pmGawker’s preview reminds me of this 2007 article suggesting leaks by the Clintons were designed to undermine books critical of Hillary. I know it’s not exactly the same but it still reminds me of that.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:04 pmIf this was an isolated event, I would agree with you DRJ, however seeing that the netroots did the same with her first book, what Gawker did previously, the 26 ethics complaints designed to bankrupt her, that necessitated this guerilla strategy, I would dissent from that view
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:08 pmDRJ,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:08 pmGawker just hates them some Sarah Palin, as Legal Insurrection pointed out. If you are going to claim fair use, your motives had better be clean. And Gawker’s own internal emails and documents are going to show their motives were very dirty.
I bet the evidence shows that Gawker doesn’t really like Sarah Palin at all.
With enough lawyers and a little luck we’ll be able to prove to all of America that Sarah Palin is simply not respected.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:11 pmOh, SEK, I think you have quite the self concept. I don’t mind plurals at all. But I find that when my colleagues in the liberals arts use twee terms like “fora” in casual communications, the “I’m smarter than other people meme” is not far behind.
I hope I’m wrong.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:14 pmSEK
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:24 pmThose serialization rights are the cornerstone of that argument, and they’re completely irrelevant in this case because her book’s being published on Tuesday.
Tell it to the judge who issued the injunction.
It takes a village, Bradley.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:26 pmHuh?
The cornerstone of the argument is that the copyright holder has the right to determine how and where and when an unpublished work will appear. Even publishing small excerpts can harm the market for the work itself if they make it leas likely for buyers to buy the work.
I don’t know what Gawker published, and I am aware of no particular content that would motivate people to buy her book that is analogous to Ford’s thinking on pardoning Nixon. But don’t kid yourself: disclosing unpublished material starts you waaaay in the hole legally.
Patterico (c218bd) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:28 pmBut Patterico, Palin is stupid and the rules shouldn’t be that way!
I have heard it in several university fora!
Who is that Iowahawk character imitating Chris Buckley?
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:31 pmCoddrington Voorhis, I recall, last seen attacking Beck in a Bloomberg publication,
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:36 pmThe reason it reminds me of the Hillary leaks is that Gawker’s pre-publication seems designed to lessen interest in Palin’s book rather than increase sales. It also gives the Democrats/White House an excuse to avoid comment about anything controversial Palin may have said about them. They could claim it’s “last week’s story.”
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/21/2010 @ 7:40 pmPatterico,
From what I’ve read, Gawker published 14 partial page-scans of Palin’s book. AP says there were 21 page scans.
Either way, it looks like far more than garden-variety fair use.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:02 pm“Either way, it looks like far more than garden-variety fair use.”
Bradley – If somebody were in the mood, somebody should send them some stinky dead sammins, not that I would advocate something like that or nothing.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:33 pmYou know you were linked at the C4p site,
narciso (82637e) — 11/21/2010 @ 8:42 pmMr. Feets – You know they even got farm raised sammins these day. I doan know how they do that. I guess the sammins make fiends wif the chickens and the farmers let em run around together or something. I doan know if they are tasty or not.
I think some of the sammins in the Lake Michigan wave a fin at Dennis Kucinich on their way by Ohio though, or maybe it’s like giving him the fish finger, I dunno.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:06 pmDaley, that is getting creepy. Brrrr.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:16 pmEric – I like red snapper too, but I don’t think you want me to go there.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/21/2010 @ 11:26 pmI wrote on my blog another example: When lefty bloggers rushed to say in January that Palin had made up the word “mandation” when, as it turned out, it is a word found in unabridged English dictionaries and many policy papers published in the U.S. and the U.K.
Then, when Palin DID accidentally invent the word “refudiate” in a merging of the words “refute” and “repudiate,” the usual suspects rose their voices in a collective howl (especially when she suggested that Shakespeare also invented new words) only to be pooh-poohed by the linguists at Dictionary.com who didn’t have a problem with “refudiate.” The ultimate smackdown to the Palin-haters came from the publishers of the Oxford English Dictionary, who declared “refudiate” its Word of the Year for 2010.
Stay tuned to see if MSNBC’s vaunted genius Rachel Maddow disclaims her Oxford degree in protest.
L.N. Smithee (05d080) — 11/22/2010 @ 12:19 amWith enough lawyers and a little luck we’ll be able to prove to all of America that Sarah Palin is simply not respected.
Comment by happyfeet — 11/21/2010 @ 7:11 pm
— No lawyers or luck needed. Just continue to share your carefully considered comments with “all of America”. For example: your weaker-then-weak attempt to distance yourself from SEK’s idiotic spiel, which was followed (TWO COMMENTS LATER!) by an even more disrespectful comment by . . . wait for it! . . . someone whose name rhymes with ‘slappy sheet’.
Sheesh.
Icy Texan (51f81a) — 11/22/2010 @ 2:49 amthere’s too many smart capable people what are available to be nominated in 2012 for Team R to waste time pretending the coloring book conservatism of Sarah Palin is the future I think
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 4:22 amYou poor thing.
Jim Treacher (e041de) — 11/22/2010 @ 5:30 amDon’t waste your pity Mr. Treacher – it’s too late for me – worry more about Sarah Palin what is making a dad-blamed fool of herself every time she coyly entertains the idea that a tundra strumpet like herself is a gonna be pezzydent.
That’s just silly talk.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 5:44 amGeorge Will said this weekend he thinks she has better sense than to run. He’s a very sharp guy and I hope he’s right.
I’m not as confident as he is though.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 5:50 amActually feets, he was equally disdainful of Reagan, two years out before the ’80 landslide.
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 6:04 amBack then the pompoms were out for Howard Baker
and John Connally, and the return of Gerald Ford,
I’m getting the vapors. In ’66, there was a similar
thing with the excitement of Nelson Rockefeller, oh
and a half term governor from a certain state, did
briefly entertain a run, but he was disdained in favor of the statesman Nixon, I forget how that turned out, remind me sometimes
do you have a link for the Reagan disdain?
that would be interesting though I think the Reagan/Palin parallel is sorta… forced if not outright tendentious given that Mr. Reagan actually finished not just one whole term as a governor but TWO and had mad communications skills, which made him a vastly more plausible presidential candidate than Palin, whose paltry experience and puerile twitterings are of a decidedly lesser order I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 6:13 amAt the time, of his trial run in 1968, he had not even reached the halfway point, he was about where Christie is now. They chose the staunchiness of
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 6:31 amNixon instead, who gave us the EPA, Osha, wage and
price controls, and a bumbled effort in Vietnam
Nixon sucked but that’s not to say Reagan’s continued seasoning in office didn’t pay dividends for him laters.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 6:38 amNixon’s failure no doubt I would have supported him , back then (even though I had not been born yet, in part) is instructive. He chose to ally himself with the establishment figures, like Kissisnger, from the Rockefeller camp, Moynihan, the dissident of the Johnson administration, and they led him astray, it took an other decade, to rectify part of that, and we still haven’t completely recovered, and in the endthe left still chose to depose him, because he was still too staunch in their view, having sussed out
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 6:55 ama traitor in their midst,
Here’s a thoughtful comparison of Reagan and Palin, discussing whether the Gipper would have voted for Palin.
This populist undercurrent is why I am certain that Reagan would have been an enthusiastic supporter of the tea party movement. While the tea partiers confuse the media and annoy the establishments of both political parties, Reagan would have seen them as reviving the embers of what he called the “prairie fire” of populist resistance against centralized big government–resistance that helped touch off the tax revolt of the 1970s. That movement was often dismissed as a tantrum, but when The Washington Post called California’s 1978 antitax Proposition 13 “a skirmish,” Reagan replied that if so, then the Chicago fire was a backyard barbecue.
And who might be able to tap into the potent brew of the tea party? Right now the leading candidate is undoubtedly Palin, whom Reagan would probably have cheered on and surely would have had no problem voting for should she secure the GOP presidential nomination. Like Reagan, she has enormous charisma and a populist style. At her best, such as on the “Tonight” show last week, she shares his self-assurance and ease in front of a crowd. Like Reagan, she hails from outside the political establishment and does not crave the approval of the elite; rather, she seems to thrive on their disapproval.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:00 amYou know happyfeet, take a look at your comment, now back at mine. Now back at your comment, now back at mine. Sadly, your comment isn’t mine, but if you stopped trolling and actually posted legitimate comments it could look like mine.
Look down, look back up. Where are you? you’re scrolling through the comments, writing the comment your comment could like.
What did you post? Now look back here, it’s a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again, the reply is now diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post.
MunDane68 (54a83b) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:04 amMr. Bradley anyone what endorsed Meghan’s useless daddy in 2010 lacks credibility as a standard-bearer of populist resistance against centralized big government I think… and Sarah Palin can talk and twitter and bibble and babble til the snow cows come home, but the fact remains that she has precious little record on which to evaluate what kind of presidency hers would promise.
We definitely know she would be utterly reviled by multitudes at home and abroad – and not for her ideas, but for her lack of any creamy nougat center… she’s a hollow chockit easter bunny people fill with impressions gleaned from reality tv. If we look to her record to discern what makes this particular hollow chockit easter bunny any better than the one we have perched in our oval office now, I don’t think we come away all too much the wiser, whereas we know that there are many many other possible candidates what are unabashedly substantive.
Remember what that guy said what you were talking about Mr. Bradley?
A shrill standard-bearer of populist resistance is an unlikely catalyst for unity I think, an unlikely catalyst for a resolve and fortitude commensurate with our little country’s needs. The Reagan moment has passed, and the challenges our little country faces today are hugely hugely more dire than the woes Reagan was elected to address.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:20 amthat was trippy Mr. MunDane thank you I will try harder to make more better comments
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:28 amWell done, MunDane68.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:32 amhappyfeet,
Mr. Bradley anyone what endorsed Meghan’s useless daddy in 2010 lacks credibility as a standard-bearer of populist resistance against centralized big government I think
As you should know, Palin was in a no-win position with McCain. She endorses him and gets attacked like you just did. If she hadn’t endorsed him, she’d have been called ungrateful.
The rest of what you say is just offensive vituperation. Please stop, such nasty slurs only degrade your reputation and don’t harm Palin in the least.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:36 amLook he did that despite being a Mittens relative, he wrote the Age of Reagan, read Shirley’s ‘Rendezvous with History’ and you come away with
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:38 amthe same impression, he’s had some sour notes, he called a relatively lighthearted talk for Lincoln Day, mostly to the Murkowski wing, as Castroesque
I bet Barack Obama must feel awful grateful to Meghan’s daddy as well, if he’s honest with himself.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:40 amDoes one ever get the impression that he’s like the pedantic small motor salesman in Barcelona, that’s just me I guess
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:56 amBradley, this is all old news. My knee-jerk reaction is to treat Mr. Feet with precisely the level of fairness, courtesy, and maturity that he treats a person he has never met nor communicated with. In the final analysis, my father told me that the measure of a person is not how they treat people they like, but how they treat people they do not like. He is a wise man, my father.
I have said it before, and I will say it again: if someone doesn’t like Palin, why don’t they simply change the subject and talk positively and in detail about a person who they do think would be a fine choice?
But this man doesn’t do that. We can all speculate why, ranging from childish jealousy regarding money, to some weird Purity of Essence fetish about conservatism (my guess remains that he sat out the last election in a fit of pique, and his posts do not distract from that hypothesis), to rank sexism. Who knows?
It’s just easier for him to be nasty. And I think about posts like he makes about Palin every single time I hear what a fine fellow he is. I want so see more posts from that fine fellow, and less rude nastiness. But others disagree, and that is fine.
Different strokes and all. But it is interesting how much venom he must spew, rather than seeing any media interest in Palin as a goad to get him to argue FOR someone…instead of AGAINST her.
It’s much easier to post snark, I guess.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:58 amwhen has a presidential candidate in America not faced a gauntlet of vituperation? It’s never happened.
All these special pleadings that the tundra bunny should be exempt from rude mean comments no fairs no fairs just make her look even weaker and less serious than she is I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:03 amand no Mr. Blair I held my nose and voted for carly and I voted on all the resolutions and voted l pretty much everywhere else – I meant to vote for Mr. P’s judges but I forgot the printout at work
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:06 amhttp://news.google.com/newspapers?id=YDYeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Nr8EAAAAIBAJ&dq=ronald%20reagan%20viable&pg=5383%2C3062235
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:09 amSammin cakes wif hollandaise sauce plus grits for breakfast.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:11 amJacobsen at Legal Insurrection hopes Harper’s euthanizes Gawker, they just have to knock over the next domino: discovery.
gary gulrud (790d43) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:12 am“History doesn’t repeat, but it has a tendency to rhyme” or so I’ve been told.
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:14 amMr. Will’s evaluation of a Sarah Palin candidacy this weekend on the tv was far far harsher than anything he aimed Reagan’s way in that piece, Mr. narciso.
Mr. Allahpundit has a link. It’s pretty devastating and Sarah Palin should keep an open mind about what he’s saying cause Mr. Will is a lot a lot a lot smarter than she is about politics.
I had the last of RTO’s soup for breakfast. Lunch is tasty yet dreary vegetable lasagna. I’m craving the ramen noodle house foozle.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:18 amhappyfeet,
Your talk of “tundra strumpet” and the like is nasty, shallow and unserious. And yet you criticize Palin for being shallow and unserious. Take out the beam in your eye, you’ll see better.
Eric B.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:19 amBut it is interesting how much venom he must spew, rather than seeing any media interest in Palin as a goad to get him to argue FOR someone…instead of AGAINST her.
Yes, happyfeet is obsessed with Palin-loathing, and she’s done nothing to deserve it. It’s one thing to doubt Palin’s credentials for the job, another thing to turn every mention of her name into a Two-Minutes Hate.
Given how often you have been defended, sir, you might look to the intentional irony of this sentence. Again: it’s curious why you do not positively push for a candidate you like, rather than see just how close you can appear to be a sexist. I thought you respected the women who post here, at least, and several of them have mentioned this to you.
But you just can’t help it. Gosh, I wonder why. I don’t think it has a thing to do with politics…or you would be taking the high road.
Actually, I like it when you show your true colors, and the nastiness in your soul. So please, bring on the “hootchie” crudity. You do your cause so much good.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:30 amOh, and I don’t believe you voted for McCain. I think that explains your weird-ass fury toward Palin, instead—again—for trying to make things better by pushing a better candidate.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:31 amYes I can’t imagine this Sullivan level fury, then again his reservations were long made clear, on Jeff’s site, for one, during the campaign. Halcro, the 9% genius who endorsed an income tax along with
Murkowski, was of that ilk
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40120
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:37 amYes I voted for McCain. I supported Sarah Palin until she up and quit her elected office and bounded off for the bright lights, the money, the fame, the glitz, the glamor like it was here’s your one chance Sarah don’t let me down.
When she bailed on her governorship she demonstrated the worth of her character I think, but what she did after was even more disgusting. She’s done so much since flouncing away from her duties in Alaska in furtherance of the celebritardation of the presidency what Barack Obama has begun, and that’s entirely sufficient grounds to pronounce her a loathsome and pathetic opportunist I think.
But that she thinks her act is cute while our little country is enduring such horrific travails is what’s most appalling I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:43 amMr. Feets – They also got the sammins in a can. I have no idea how they get them in there. They have smoking cammins too, although I have never see a fish smoke, I’m sure the FDA or Mayor Bloomberg will put a stop to that soon. Truly these sammins are all over, not just laska. They should be one of our basic food groups.
I have many tasty sammin recipes to share.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:43 amhah! I made sammin mousse from the can one time at Sequoia National Park I remember being very proud of myself. I had to make whip cream and I never done it before. I thought that was pretty cool.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:45 amAgain, irony abounds:
Look in the mirror, sir. Try looking for candidates that you can be positive about, instead of revealing some things about your inner workings that are probably best kept private.
Of course, it’s more fun (and less work) to play games.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:56 amUsing sammin mousse for making coiffure stylings in a national park is not a good or patriotic idea, I think, Mr. Feets. And didn’t it make you stink extra much? Are there grizzlies in Sequoia National Park? Were you nervous?
elissa (090cc2) — 11/22/2010 @ 12:35 pmit’s not something I would do again
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/22/2010 @ 12:38 pmI would worry about the flies, plus the bears.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/22/2010 @ 12:40 pmI like what I know of Mitch Daniels, but I have one huge reservation: I’m willing to support an Arab president, but only if he goes out of his way to show a very strong commitment to our alliance with Israel. Not just the usual pap, which Obama and W and Clinton and even Bush Sr knew how to spout, and then go stab Israel in the back. I’d want to hear from him the sort of support that Sarah Palin and Allan West and Steven Harper have shown. A rejection of “even-handedness”, and a recognition that Jews are the native people of Israel, and have the same right to live in Hebron that Indians have to live in Manhattan. It’s not fair that his ancestry should factor into my evaluation of his candidacy, but life’s unfair; I just can’t take the risk.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/22/2010 @ 2:00 pmMilhouse:
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc) — 11/22/2010 @ 2:28 pmThis might ease your concerns:
While Daniels’ remarks were mostly focused on domestic politics, he did take a question on foreign policy. Asked how he saw the American relationship with Israel, Daniels said that he considered Israel an ally. He went on to say that Israel had the right to use all means at its disposal to defend itself – including, if necessary, attacking Iran.
I saw where Harper Collins went ahead and sued the gawker people.
The gawker must be feeling really really unclever today.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/22/2010 @ 2:30 pmToo clever by half.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc) — 11/22/2010 @ 2:32 pmmee thinks happyfeet is not happy at all.
Andy (5ed3ce) — 11/22/2010 @ 7:55 pmI’m happy I just worry that our poor little country is not availing itself of a quality of leadership commensurate with her need.
I don’t get how people can think the answer to the disaster wrought by bumblef’s supremely untested callow empty-headed celebritard leadership is another supremely divisive untested callow empty-headed celebritard.
Sarah Palin needs to get a real job and leave Americans alone and unmolested by her icncessant blathering – the nauseating vanity what has led her to milk her 15 minutes like a 6-teated jersey betrays a narcissism every bit as ardent as bumble’s I think.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:05 pm*incessant* I mean
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:05 pmSpeaking of narcissism, incessant blathering, and odd syntax.
Hmmm.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:07 pmDamn, Patterico…you need an ignore feature on this blog…abd quick.
Andy (5ed3ce) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:13 pmoops….and quick.
Andy (5ed3ce) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:14 pmEveryone in the solar system knows by now that happyfeet hates hates hates the moronic hootchie mama tundra strumpet bad bad bad! Sarah Palin. So let’s hear HF speak more of which potential candidates he likes, and why.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:20 pmwe’re like 8 threads down Mr. Andy you had to come looking for this you big silly – what is it you expect to find in threads about Sarah? Everybody saying I love her no I love her more no I love her more? Hah. She’s one of the most divisive people in politics. People either love her or they find her kind of gross and disgusting and vile and annoying.
Mr. Bradley you’ve convinced me that Mr. Daniels is the best candidate for Team R to unite behind not only because he brings a depth of experience unmatched by any other Team R aspirant but because the nature of the experience he brings is marvelously well-suited to the tasks at hand.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:23 pmI’d also like to know who you would vote for, happyfeet, since you’ve already ruled out Palin, Romney, Pawlenty, Gingrich and Huckabee.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:24 pmDaniels it is.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:25 pmyes mitch is the future I think
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:26 pmhappyfeet,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:29 pmWell, then, I hope you can concentrate on promoting our mutually preferred candidate. That would put a more positive spin on discussions here.
Very well, hf. Here’s some research for your quest. Consider all the ways Daniels is better than Palin — there are several that I think would help your arguments here — but there are also a few things about him that may be worse.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:34 pmDaniels seems acceptable, I liked his stance on government unions, don’t know if it can be applied nationally. I know quite a few supporters of his, who are none the less, respectful of what she has tried to do, there’s another cohort, the kind found at Rinosphere and other sites, who raise hackles. I’ll have you guess where you fall,
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:36 pmCould we just give-it-a-break for a month or two?
AD-RtR/OS! (22efd4) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:43 pmNo one is going to know who is, or is not, going to run in 2012 for at least another six-months. That leaves ample time to defenestrate the putative candidates, and their supporters, prior to the first caucus in Iowa, or the primary in New Hampshire.
Anyway, none of the possibles has any influence on things that some of us have to deal with daily, such as the TSA. That is something that has to be dealt with today. The election is 23.5 months away.
The incoming members might want to ask this fellow some questions:
http://globalmbreport.com/?p=3577
narciso (82637e) — 11/22/2010 @ 8:53 pmsorry I fell sleep…
from DRJ’s link from 2001…
That’s so flippin’ cool.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 5:37 amThen came the war, NCLB, Medicare Part D, the whole on, porkathon, lets not be too revisionist shall we
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 5:53 amThe war was a good and noble and kind initiative though I think Team Bumble is tossing away a lot of hard-won opportunities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Medicare Part D was an attempt to shut down Team Dirty Socialists’ crass exploitation of codgers. The obscene excesses of Obamacare render Medicare Part D largely a moot point now, no? Same with any Bush-era pork. Obama and the dirty socialists have taken squandering money to a vastly new level. Our suicidal little country is really quite a good ways down the road of decline and fail and fecklessness and the idea that Sarah Palin is gonna ride to the rescue with commonsense conservatism and two years of Alaska governing experience plus a reality tv show available on dvd or streaming is a sad sad desperately sad joke to play on a little country what is fast becoming an international laughingstock.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:04 amThe war is necessary, Medicare Part D, was one of those what do you call, unforced errors’ like CFR underwritten by the distaff sons of Sun Oil and the Bond villain Soros. who staff the media commentariat that astroturfs elite opinion as a ground swell. She has been in the eye of the storm, pikachu, and you may call her whatever term falls out of the ‘den of scum and villainy’ that is the Urban Dictionary, confident that the First Dude would not come over there,and break your jaw, but she has family in San Diego, do you really want to take that chance
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:20 amDRJ,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:30 amThat was an unusually positive look at Daniels, considering it came from a left-leaning publication like Washington Monthly.
yes Mr. narciso I will risk the violent wrath of the Palin clan to speak out against the identity-based politics of Pride and Folly what that quintessentially unpresidential tundra bunny personifies. The horrifically diminished horizons our little country is facing if it continues down the road of empty celebritard politics compels me to speak, even in the face of threatened violence.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:33 amYes, it was before they realized he was an enemy, ready the Daily News in 2007, and you wouldn’t recognize the person they chose to disparage a year and a half later
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:33 amplease not my face please not my face
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:34 amYour state, is one step away from going the way of the repo man, feets, under the able leadership of
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:37 amBrown ,Newsom and Harris, the Ghidras ofCalifornia, politics,
California is doomedy doomedy doomed like that tree on Pandora. Too bad so sad.
Can’t help ya.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:38 amhf seemed to be over the need to rail against the alaskan one for awhile, oh well,
“sammin mousse” – where does one even begin with this…
as said before, one catches sammin, I’ve never heard of anyone catching mousse
sammin comes in a can, as well as fresh and frozen, I’ve never seen canned mousse (or fresh or frozen, but I presume they exist, if only in the wild, where they may be so fresh as to be moving, or so frozen as to be motionless and solid as a brick in the middle of February)
one of the great questions of our times- how long will it be that saying “Palin” makes hf or the left twitch, years?, decades?, centuries?
MD in Philly (cac12c) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:49 amVarious thoughts:
happy never insults commenters personally that I can see. Some seem to make it personal with him. I’d ask you not to.
Many also seem intent on making him stop criticizing Palin. You’re welcome to ask, and the criticism does seem repetitive at times. However, I am wary of an atmosphere where multiple people continually tell a commenter to avoid a topic. There are scripts you can use to ignore comments if you can’t bring yourself to ignore them if you see them.
I would ask happy DRJ’s question: if not Palin, who? If Palin, better than Obama, yes?
Patterico (d519ff) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:58 amThat comment came after MD Philly’s but was not directed at him or any other one person.
Patterico (d519ff) — 11/23/2010 @ 6:59 amPatterico, your blog. But a number of people find the personal and crude invective he dishes out irritating. You could ask him to tone down the style, not the criticism. But you don’t mind it, clearly. And it’s your blog.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:02 amComment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 11/22/2010 @ 8:19 am
Brother Bradley said it best.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:07 amWell it does seem ironic, I raise an opinion, based on a fair bit of evidence, from this last season, and I get cursed out. He repeats every slur I’ve
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:07 amread in the last 2 years, he gets a pat on the head; I’m confuzzled
I like Mr. Daniels. I think a vote for him would be a vote for judiciousness, a vote for prudence, a vote for a realistic appraisal of where this little country is and where this little country is going.
Palin v. Obama? I think Palin would lose lose lose because she’s widely perceived to be stupid and annoying. I think this would be a devastating blow to devastate Team R’s burgeoning congressional power. If she were to win? Expect no coattails and in 2014 Team R will be exiled to the wilderness once again.
The window during which our little country can slip the surly bonds of Fail is rapidly closing. Now is not the time to embrace a divisive ill-prepared quitty opportunistic strumpet who “pisses off all the right people.” Successful countries can indulge in such – loser little failing ones like ours simply can’t.
Mine is a surprisingly mainstream view.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:14 amPatterico
> If Palin, better than Obama, yes?
I remember an episode of south park mocking the davinci code, where they discover a conspiracy related to easter, involving an organization called the Hare Club for men, designed to keep secret that St. Peter was actually a rabbit. it ends with a rabbit being declared the rightful pope. And one person see the rabbit sitting on the throne and says, “he’s not doing anything.” And the other replies something to the effect of “maybe that’s the idea.”
Right now, I would support a rabbit as president. It would be an improvement.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:14 amoh. there’s an extra “devastate” in there
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:15 amRabbits like dogs are a good judge of character,
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:18 amMr. Patterico the reason it gets so personal I think is cause for many, criticism of this Palin person is criticism of them.
This is part of why I think Sarah Palin’s political appeal is deeply deeply grounded in a really rather ugly sort of identity politics.
I’m not super-eager to validate that kind of politics by voting for her when I can just go get tasty pancakes come election day.
Is there a point where your little country’s politics can devolve into an affair what is below a man’s dignity? I don’t know but I think Obama v. Palin definitely has that potential.
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:21 amGood Lord, Mr. Feet: you are the one who acts like an ass about other people with personal and crude insults…and people who are offended have the problem?
Reread that post you just wrote and get a mirror, dude. You have issues.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:30 amhappy,
Your comment has aspects I find valid and aspects that make me want to pull out my hair in frustration.
The valid part is that I think a lot of people do seem to identify with Palin and take it personally when she is criticized.
The part I find frustrating is your statement that you would not vote for her against Obama.
But I think there are a lot of people who feel the same as you do.
Patterico (d519ff) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:32 amAnd not just now, I suspect.
Again, more time on researching alternatives. Less time with cutesy insults.
Just my opinion. I know I am looking into candidates I think are viable, and trying to stay away from Purity of Essence litmus tests. Eyes on the prize: limiting statism the best we can.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 7:40 amI am not one who wants Palin to run for the presidency and I truly hope she does not. But I admire her energy and what she has done to help electrify the political engagement of “regular people” and therefore to influence the path of our nation. I love that she is fearless and vocal even as I often wish she would be less vocal, and that she would choose her photo ops and media appearances with very much more care. I suspect she, very much like Obama, has an inner circle who are so in love with her that they do not always give her the best advice. Or, perhaps, also like Obama, when she is given good advice or food for thought she ignores it because she is a rock star and thinks she knows best. Not good.
In any case, I am always interested when people can fairly and honestly discuss Palin and her “future” with insight and maturity, and compare her with other potential candidates (whose cases for viability also need to be discussed and vetted with equal scrutiny). Unfortunately, the unfounded and gratuitous highly personal attacks on Palin (and other women) which regularly feature words such as strumpet, and hoochie, or worse, do not appear to serve any purpose or to advance any cause other than get hits for feets in Google and focus attention and ire on him in multiple blogs. But hey, as long as he’s “happy”!
elissa (036455) — 11/23/2010 @ 8:47 amelissa – Member how insouciantly unhappy happy was when people were legitimately criticizing the greasy-assed dirty socialist pezzydent man’s safe school Czar for his associations wif a group what taught the glories of fisting and pedo porn to middle school and high school students. The happy cries of outrage and ha8rs were heard far and wide when the flip flops were on the other footses.
The goring of oxes what are not yours is fine wif happy, but he is not a happy happy if they are close to home. Just sayin’.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 9:34 amthat is a silly analogy I think Mr. daley – yes Mr. Jennings was attacked with a bunch of sick gateway pundit smeary smeary lies and guilt by association tactics – the man is harmless – I would submit that the evidence shows that Mr. Jennings hasn’t been removed from his office and not a single kid anywhere is any the worse for it.
Elections have consequences, and when Team R nominated a faily faily geriatric coward they should have thought through more better what the consequences would be when he lost: the dirty socialists would get to appoint dirty socialists to a kajillion positions.
BUT I never told anybody to shut up or, even more ridiculously, told anybody they should couch their arguments about Mr. safe school czar in positive terms of who they would rather see fill that position. Blecch. I was happy just that I got to give my two cents even in an atmosphere as dark and angry and lynchy and hatey as the one the gateway person worked so hard to foment. And I was happy that the haters lost that round and that their hatey hatey efforts were a lot fruitless.
And if anybody wants to climb a mountain and extol the virtues of a quitty quitty realty tv poseur like the inarticulate tundra tart what is the subject of this post more power to them I say.
But people are gonna talk.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 9:57 amMr. gateway person never deleted a single comment I made on his site by the way, not a single one.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 9:59 amWhat would be helpful is whoever does throw their hat in collectively make a statement along the lines of “may the best person win and make no mistake I will throw my support behind whoever the nominee is”
But I’m a sucker for happy endings…
VOR2 (8e6b90) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:05 am“that is a silly analogy I think Mr. daley”
Mr. Feets – Absolutely not. It’s an example of you getting on your Nigerian blue-eyed dwarf goat and getting upset with people on this blog for talking about a subject and person they felt strongly about in the opposite direction from which you felt. The same is happening with your repetitious prattle about the tundra trollop or whatever gratuitous name you choose to call Governor Palin at the moment. The shoes are just on the other footses.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:16 amis too
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:26 amno backs
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:26 amAh, sweet reason. You seem determined to give yet more ammunition to people who find you more rude than charming.
And the ironic part is that if people were just as offensive and rude about you, you would be irritated and claim that it wasn’t about facts anymore.
Which is why a number of people think you are quirky and funny, but that you have a bit of a sexist thang going on. True, you referred to Christie, so eloquently, as being “fat.”
So I guess you have that charm and class thing going for you. Of course, Christie deals well with kind of mature insight.
Here is a hint: many people object to your crude and childish tirades about Palin not because they agree with her policies or want her to be President, but because of how you refer to people with whom you disagree.
I don’t think you are happy at all.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:32 amAnd you are right, Daley. It’s always different when it’s his ox getting Al Gored.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:33 amso what I hear you saying is that you disapprove of the way I talk about Sarah Palin
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:37 amShow of hands. How many people here can claim to have been personally attacked by happyfeet? My guess is the answer is astonishingly close to zero.
JD (6e25b4) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:40 amWhat I am saying, is that you refer to those you disagree with in crude and offensive ways that you would never do in person, and that your weird sexist-sounding mania regarding Palin creates discussion about you and not her policies.
Which may be your goal, I am starting to suspect.
It’s not about politics. It’s your focus on the personal. And the negative.
But hey, lots of folks think you are just boss.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:43 amI got grumpy with no one you know that time. That was wrong and I’m very sorry and it will never happen again I promise.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:44 amMr. Blair popular happyfeet is very very 2008 I really don’t think you’ve been following along with the character development.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:45 amJD, how would you feel if good old charming Mr. feet referred to a family member that way? Ah yes, that is different: he doesn’t have to own the language when he gets personal about public figures.
But heck, most people think his crudeness is fine. Have at it. But I am not alone in wishing this character would tone down the personal business and get back to policy.
There is a lot more to this than politics.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:47 am“that is a silly analogy I think Mr. daley”
Mr. Feets – Upon further reflection I wish to revise and extend my remarks.
It was a silly analogy. The criticism of Mr. Jennings was more legitimate, focused and limited than your tireless, puerile, unhelpful, insouciant ramblings about Governor Palin. My bad.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:50 amhe doesn’t have to own the language when he gets personal about public figures
I disagree with how you ‘re expressing this idead Mr. Blair and I will tell you why. Sarah Palin – just like George Bush and Barack Obama and Leighton Meester – aren’t people like JD or Mr. Patterico or Jeff Goldstein or yourself what are in our lives to where we can interact with them. Sure, they’re for reals people to the people what know them, but with Leighton and Sarah and Barack and George – not a one of us here in comment land knows these people any better than any other person. We only have our ideas about these people. And these ideas such as they are are sometimes scoffworthy. Like the idea that Sarah Palin is presidential. So Mr. Blair, you should understand, that when I degrade this Sarah Palin person – it’s not personal, bless her heart. It’s an idea of her what I am speaking against.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:55 amthis *idea* Mr. Blair I mean
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:55 amI think this idea that “Sarah Palin” exists not just in the realm of the political but equally in the realm of the personal is a side-effect of our depreciated reality-tv culture.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:00 amI suspect happyfeet would not say those things about my family members, nor anyone else that posts or comments here’s family members. Should he do so, I would suggest that he go eat a tasty cupcake, soup, or pancake, and clear his head. I do understand that his vitriol is less bothersome to me because I am closer to his position than many of the Palin fans.
JD (0d2ffc) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:00 amAnd it would be with great shame that I eated that tasty cupcake.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:04 amJD – I never feel personally insulted by Mr. Feets and I hope he never feels that way by me. In fact he and I were having a fabulous conversation over the past two days about the sammins and the molded food craze.
I found what looks like a nice oriental sammin wif coconut rice recipe for everyone to share.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:06 amYou betcha!
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:07 amSigh. I have said my piece. You can justify being rude and sounding like a sexist all you wish. It may be that the majority of posters here think you are just a doll.
I think you are a bitter and nasty. That’s what I get from your posts about the people with whom you disagree. Its a longstanding habit of yours now.
You could, instead, post about people you do admire, and why they are great—with the same intensity you bring to your invective. But that’s not your gig.
As to the “they are public figures—ideas not people— so I can say what I want” argument, well, that says something about your world view and stance on being polite, and it is not one I share.
When JD is rude about people, generally speaking, they are people who have been rude to him, directly. So I have been criticized in the past for not urging JD not to call people names, when your antics do get me exasperated. But the difference is clear: you are saying things that you would never, ever say in person to another.
They are just ideas, you see, not people.
Anyway, as I say, you are going to keep doing this forever. It’s a waste of energy to keep urging you to take any kind of high road. But you might ask yourself how many posters do find this nonsense of yours tiresome.
Maybe none at all. Hurray for you. But I keep hoping to see more civility. But civility, as with Mr. Goldstein, is apparently equal to weakness these days.
And then we wonder why only egomaniacs run for office.
Whatever.
This says it all, more eloquently than I ever could:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzOIhLJ1C-Y
Hats off to Mr. Stewart. Smart people we have. How about pleasant people?
With that, I apologize to all for continuing to flog a deceased equine.
Eric Blair (720ce1) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:08 amIt’s a wonder, like you folks haven’t learned anything in the last ten years. There really isn’t an argument about what she believes would be good
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:10 ampolicy, domestic drilling, defense of the war on terror, the trend on necessary tax changes, the ruinous Weimar like spending spree, all of this she warned against, while Brooks was checking pant creases, Frum was being well Frum, Noonan, went on her long bender from reality. But you assume because
a fair number of idiots, absorbed this fun house
mirror view of her, that’s it.
I’ve never made rice in a pan before but I bet that would work in the rice cooker. I’m emailing that home in case I have to cook for thanksgiving. I’m trying to avoid the whole deal but if I get roped into it that’s a good easy last minute thing to put together and then I can just add tasty whatevers to it.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:13 amWell happyfeet,
I’m on record as just thinking that it’s bad form to be so hard on Palin when so many folks like her-a lot.
Such recriminations are going to make it harder to move folks towards your preferred candidate, or even getting together behind whoever else is most likely selected as the nominee.
And I say that as someone who likes Mitch Daniels a lot. In other words, we’re sympatico, capisco? But you may be helping to permanently close some folk’s minds.
The upcoming primary process needs to be as painless as possible, and untiting, as possible. Especially when Poppy is going all in for Mittenz.
Just some friendly advice on unit cohesion from this ol’ vagabond.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:13 am“I’m emailing that home in case I have to cook for thanksgiving.”
Mr. Feets – I bought a giant Safeway turkey yesterday 33 cents a pound (With Card if you spent $75). What could go wrong?
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:25 am“Alas Mittens, I knew him well” well that’s that.
narciso (82637e) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:27 amI think people’s minds need to be open to the idea that Sarah Palin is not a unitey person, Mr. Bob.
She is preeminently dividey, actually. And as such I believe she represents a self-indulgence on the part of her fan club what our little country can ill-afford at this most terrible moment in her history.
I look to Mr. Daniels because I think him capable and I think his experience is such that he is a good fit for the position at this time.
It’s not cause I lurv lurv lurv him and think he’s such a great dad and it’s so awful when people attack him personally cause he’s really just a great guy and et cetera.
There’s only one Team R person in the race what has the cult of personality going and I hope by the time everybody officially declares their candidacies we’ll see that number drop to zero.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:30 amturkeys intimidate me
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:30 amThat seems silly to blame Palin for not being unitey because the left loses their shlt every time she speaks. Kind of like they called Bush divisive for them hating him. Insert Team R name, and they will be divisive to the left. Just for existing.
JD (109425) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:49 amoh. I was thinking more that Palin fails to unite Team R.
I was just looking yesterday at the polling data what shows Team Rs with college degrees have a particular aversion to her.
It was on Drudge but I think it’s gone now.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:52 am“turkeys intimidate me”
Mr. Feets – They do not bite or gobble when they or frozen or dead I do not think.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:52 amEspecially when the head is not in the package.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:53 amhere it is
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:54 amalso they have a formidable thawing time so you really have to be committed
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:54 am“also they have a formidable thawing time so you really have to be committed”
I do not generally supervise them while they thaw so my commitment is less than full time. It’s a trust thing. YMMV.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 10:56 pmbut if you’re thawing a turkey then it’s like bam everything else you do is multi-tasking
it’s kinda overwhelming
happyfeet (42fd61) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:19 pm“it’s kinda overwhelming”
Practice! $0.33/lb With Card. Let’s cook two!
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/23/2010 @ 11:24 pm