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11/6/2010

The “I’m a More Authentic Conservative Than You” Post

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:28 pm



I’m a more authentic conservative than you.

Discuss.

P.S. You wussies.

113 Responses to “The “I’m a More Authentic Conservative Than You” Post”

  1. God, you all make me sick.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  2. I’m gay and Jewish. I HAVE to be more conservative than you just to be able to say the words.

    P.S. Slacker.

    luagha (2898b6)

  3. My friends say I’m to the Right of Atilla the Hun.
    I tell them Atilla’s a Commie!

    AD-RtR/OS! (0f5c41)

  4. I work for the government and want to fire myself.

    Virtual Insanity (d93c26)

  5. I think Mark Levin is a bedwetting socialist leftard, that how authentic I am. If you disagree with me you’re a feminazi, Code Pink, anti-Semitic, statist, whore for Obama.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  6. Yes, but I’m a more authentic libertarian than you, and that’s what matters to me.

    What, BTW, does “conservative” mean today anyway?

    Kevin M (298030)

  7. I’m so conservative I think this country started downhill when those Tea Party ruffians turned on that urbane, refined George III.

    He was the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known.

    Kevin R.C. O'Brien (739317)

  8. I voted for Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis and Clinton, twice.

    Man, was I stupid. Does realizing I was stupid and admitting it help? Does the fact that my son reads Ayn Rand for fun help?

    Probably not. I am the worst conservative in the world. Everybody else wins.

    Ag80 (743fd1)

  9. I’m so conservative that my chief hobby is hanging around the mall making Greenpeace activists cry.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. I’m almost as conservative as General “Blackjack” Pershing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  11. I’m so authentically conservative that R. Lee Ermey is afraid I’ll make him cry.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. However, since my epiphany, I’m so conservative that I think Jack Nicholson was the good guy in “A Few Good Men.”

    Ag80 (743fd1)

  13. I don’t give a “F&*%” about what YOU think you are….I just know what I am, and I’m a conservative….as for authentic, I’ve got a label in my shirt that says I am….

    reff (b43ea5)

  14. Well he was, Sorkin in his coke fueled daze, wrote it the wrong way

    justin cord (82637e)

  15. You know, I warned God that if He made people they’d eventually turn liberal. He didn’t believe me.

    Some chump (e84e27)

  16. Yo mama so conservative that she complains about liberal bias in the obituary section and she named you “Deduction Two”.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  17. I’m so conservative that I’m still protesting the “A1” modification of the M1911 service pistol as too modern.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  18. I’m so conservative I opposed inventing the wheel.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  19. I am the most authentic, as I hate minorities and Teh Others, want to wage war on Islam, old people, women, and children, and wish we could go back to the days when women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and slavery was the norm.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  20. I also opposed the evolution of eukaryotes. If prokaryotism was good enough for my parent-cell, it’s good enough for me!

    (This is for you, Eric Blair).

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  21. Hah, I’m so conservative that I got the clan to outlaw sticks so that the Cro-Magnon teens wouldn’t draw dirty pictures in the sand.

    Ag80 (743fd1)

  22. I’m so conservative that I even lie and tell people the KKK wasn’t a Democrat founded group because it makes it easier for me to oppress brown people.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  23. Since existentialism is FRENCH, I’m so conservative that I’m completely inauthentic about it!

    TAKE THAT, SOCIETY!

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  24. I’m such an authentic conservative that I won’t support sure win Republic candidates running against bearded marxists if they aren’t authentic enough.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  25. I still have the can of ginger ale I got at the ’64 GOP convention in San Francisco. It’s marked AuH2O.

    Ken Hahn (2acf7e)

  26. “AuH2O”

    Clever! I guess I’m revealing I’m under 50.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  27. I’m considerably under 50, and I knew that Dustin

    justin cord (82637e)

  28. conservatism’s the new pink

    EricPWJohnson (72c8f0)

  29. I’m considerably under 50, and I knew that Dustin

    Comment by justin cord

    Subtle authentic conservative pwnage!

    No wait. I’m so conservative I don’t even pay attention to commies like Goldwater.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  30. I’m so conservative I took Cain’s side over Abel.

    JVW (eccfd6)

  31. Top Ten Signs You’re Just Too Damn Conservative

    5. You’ve never brushed your teeth because you’re afraid that the fluoride in toothpaste will corrupt all of your precious bodily fluids

    4. Gloria Allred’s gonna sue you… for existing

    3. You’re for putting full-body hijabs on all women… except Muslim women

    2. Jesse Helms once said about you, “Wow, that guy’s sure a troglodyte, ain’t he?”

    1. You think God is a lazy cahoot because it took him a whole six whole days to create the universe, then took a day off to rest. What, He’s a union jackoff too?!?

    😉

    qdpsteve (f1c59f)

  32. Oops… advertised ten, forgot five. Dang liberal high school education!

    qdpsteve (f1c59f)

  33. The logo was “AuH2O64”!

    AD-RtR/OS! (0f5c41)

  34. Close. It was AuH2O464.

    Mike G in Corvallis (fd5fcd)

  35. of course i’m more conservative than you Pat: your wife is a liberal and mine’s conservative.

    that and i have better taste in music.

    8)

    happyfeet (fb8750)

  36. see: even my liberal socks are more conservative than you. %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  37. I’m so frickin’ authentic I thought Scalia, Thomas and Alito were all to liberal to appoint to the Supreme Court.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  38. As a layman, I had to look up “authentic”. This is what I found at dictionary.com:

    Law . executed with all due formalities

    So is a formal execution a firing squad or a headsman’s axe? Anyway, my condolences.

    malclave (73ef31)

  39. I’ve voted against Jerry Brown 3 times for Governor, once for Senator and once for Attorney General. One for 5.

    Kevin M (298030)

  40. Oh, I forgot to give my conservative credentials.

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

    Why the hell couldn’t He leave well enough alone?

    malclave (73ef31)

  41. I enjoy the fun but . . . don’t confuse “conservative” with “reactionary.”

    I am so conservative that I live in the wild and turn over rocks to find the grubs that I eat. The world has gone to H*ll since the kids have started throwing rocks at animals.

    Longwalker (996c34)

  42. Nixon was a pinko.

    Nixon WAS a pinko. There wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between him and Johnson, except Johnson got more women.

    Kevin M (298030)

  43. I’m not a conservative, I’m a right winger.

    Conservatives want to keep things the way they are.

    I want to smash the existing nanny-state until it no longer exists.

    To hell with keeping things the way they are.

    Dave Surls (1abfac)

  44. Nixon was a pinko.

    Comment by DWPittelli — 11/6/2010 @ 9:43 pm

    Considering his wage and price controls, affirmative action, etc, yes. Nixon was indeed a pinko.

    the friendly grizzly (2f59a6)

  45. To Dave Surls: too many on the right want to have their version of the nanny state, rather than getting rid of the one we have.

    I, for one, don’t want either one.

    the friendly grizzly (2f59a6)

  46. I still have the can of ginger ale I got at the ’64 GOP convention in San Francisco. It’s marked AuH2O.

    Comment by Ken Hahn — 11/6/2010 @ 9:44 pm

    The Democrats in Arizona had a bumper sticker that said “Back to the Store in 64!”

    the friendly grizzly (2f59a6)

  47. I’m not a Liberal. I’m not a Conservative. I’m not a Libertarian.

    I’m a Crank.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e4bd33)

  48. I was a conservative/libertarian before anyone ever HEARD of Alex P. Keaton…

    IgotBupkis (9eeb86)

  49. I’m so conservative I have to listen to Levin with special high pitch tweeters installed on a 1500W stereo system. Anything less is for sissies.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  50. I am such an authentic Conservative that I propose a Constitutional switch of the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    TimesDisliker (e809c2)

  51. “switch of the 1st and 2nd Amendments.”

    hahaha

    I’m so conservative that Mike Castle was able to pay me for my support. Let the free market decide!

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  52. I voted for Goldwater in ’64.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  53. Yeah, ya’ll are are sooooo conservative!!!!!! NOT!!!!!! Why don’t all you libturd commenters just shut up and go play footsies with your pals at moveon. I don’t know why I even bother to read anything at this wussie ass libturd site. Both comments and authors.

    When I find a true conservative website, I will not let you libturd demoncrap know about it. You would just come there and stink up the place with all of your commiepinkolibturdleftwingdemoncrap talking points and batshit crazy ideas.

    Damn, I can’t even find one person who is conservative in this world to talk to. I am so alone.

    peedoffamerican (8e3d97)

  54. I am Goldwater.

    Barry Goldwater (3e1a46)

  55. I am so conservative that when we go out to eat with our lesbian and gay friends, I always try to get them to switch teams, or perform an exorcism. Depends on my mood.

    JD (306f5d)

  56. I’m such an authentic conservative that Christine O’Donnell DID sleep with me and pay me for the pleasure.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  57. Sacred honor demanded I confess.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  58. I am so authentically Conservative that I have no lesbian or gay friends. Family, yes. Co-workers, classmates, priest and churchmembers…maybe. Friends, no.

    TimesDisliker (e809c2)

  59. I am so authentically Conservative, that I do not see race. I see RINOs.

    TimesDisliker (e809c2)

  60. ____________________________________________

    I’m a more authentic conservative than you.

    Meanwhile, here’s the flip side to you…

    An ultra-liberal member of the MSM who at least is honest about his ultra-liberalism!

    weblogs.baltimoresun.com:

    Savor the silliness of [Lawrence] O’Donnell’s elevated rhetoric, “I am not a progressive. I am not a liberal…Liberals amuse me…I am a socialist….I live to the extreme left, extreme left, of you mere liberals.”

    David Zurawik of the Baltimore Sun also says:

    I still deeply feel the actions of [MSNBC’s] analysts — Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Lawrence O’Donnell and the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson — were so egregious in the rude and hectoring handling of conservative politicians invited on for interviews that the entire realm of TV journalism was diminished in the public mind.

    It’s not high school with cable TV salaries, as one news executive once explained it to me trying to account for the adolescent behavior and attitudes of its hosts. No, it’s a weird, little, liberal prep school.


    ____________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  61. My friends say I’m to the Right of Atilla the Hun.

    I’ve never understood that line. What exactly was it about Atilla that made him right-wing?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  62. PS: People also say “to the right of Genghis Khan”, with the same meaning. Again, who’s to say how far right that would have to be?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  63. #2: Landsman!

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  64. #24, well, he was.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  65. I am the most authentic conservative here, because I married a minority woman, just so I could oppress a woman, and a minority, at the same time.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  66. _
    Authentic???? Alas, although I was too young to vote for my hero, I have one of those same green cans mentioned by Ken Hahn from the 1964 campaign. Also a bubblegum cigar (this was before Bubba gave cigars a bad name in politics).

    Those are just part of my large and treasured collection of Goldwater signs, posters, bumper stickers, lapel pins, pencils, and other memorabilia (which includes a personally autographed photo of Barry.) Have you ever seen one of the gold and black cardboard “real estate” signs that true believers put in their yards and/or windows that year which proclaimed “THIS HOUSE SOLD ON GOLDWATER”? Yeah, I’ve got one of those too, which I still drag out on special occasions or to annoy certain people. I also was able to obtain one of the wooden and metal elephant coaster sets produced by Shreve and Co. for the San Francisco convention which I display, but do not allow people to actually use under drinks.

    Invitations to the 100th birthday party I am hosting in February to honor Ronald Reagan are already in the mail.

    Do I win, Pikers?

    elissa (e642a8)

  67. JD, I denounce you for being heteronormative.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  68. I pay my taxes, work hard, obey the law, tip well and support my community by giving time and money to good causes.

    I also have been laid off twice in the last five years (for the first times ever in my life) and refused unemployment from a fund I had paid into because my pride would not allow it. Instead, I found a new job.

    I do whatever I can to continue pulling the collective wagon instead of riding and complaining how bumpy the road is.

    harkin (b1890d)

  69. Well, that’s a downer.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. I pay my taxes

    Practically a commie. Kill the wise one!

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  71. #57 daleyrocks LOLOL

    SarahW (af7312)

  72. I’m generally off the reservation on some point or other.

    Which I guess, makes me more of a white oppressor than YOU.

    SarahW (af7312)

  73. Since this touches on philosophy more so than politics, I will comment briefly.

    Many people are more authentic conservatives than I am. That doesn’t mean they are right about all of the specific issues.

    Conservatism is, in general, upholding tradition as no less of a conservative authority than Rush Limbaugh said in his books and elsewhere.

    It has value in that a lot of traditions have stood the test of time. But not all traditions were correct and we live in an exponentially fast-changing world with new data and information coming to the fold constantly.

    For example, religion was entirely rational once upon a time. Most but not all great thinkers in history were religious. Increasingly, fewer are as our understanding of science and man’s origins grow and this is contrasted with the religious texts. Further, communications technology (not to mention translation into English, which once merited burning at the stake by the Church’s vicar in Earth) is allowing more people to easily see the numerous discrepancies, inconsistencies, and outright immorality as advocated/ordered by “God” in these texts.

    So many intelligent people who fully support the ideas of capitalism, human rights, a strong national defense, justice and retribution, and other traditionally conservative values … are leaving religion (as but one example).

    But religion is traditional and therefore conservative. Now those of you who are religions will naturally conclude the non-religious are mistaken. But this willingness to adopt new positions in light of evidence is, in all areas (whether scientific, political strategy, or quickly re-evaluating the character of someone who one had previously reached an opinion on in the light of new info) is not conservative: It is rational. It is reasonable. In their truest meanings of those terms.

    I prefer those values over conservatism for conservatism’s sake so, as a method of making decisions and judgments, I concede that I am not as conservative as many of you despite generally voting for right-of-center candidates (because more often than not their ideas are more effective).

    It is not axiomatic that:

    Conservatism = Correct

    Christoph (8ec277)

  74. To clarify, believing in religion was a more rational position for even an intellectually gifted and curious thinker in previous eras since we understood so little about the world and our origins … and we were taught religion was true since childhood and had no basis for questioning it, not least of which because most people couldn’t even analyze the source texts nor their history.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  75. I’m so conservative I don’t even change my underwear.

    DanH (3ca105)

  76. Ah sheesh, Christoph.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  77. I am the most authentic conservative here, because I married a minority woman, just so I could oppress a woman, and a minority, at the same time.

    Heh. Have you been talking to my hub, JD?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  78. I’m Cuban American, Baptist, with a brother in the Stans, and a relative who fought at the Bay of Pigs
    as a commander, who passed on some years ago

    justin cord (82637e)

  79. “Now those of you who are religions will naturally conclude the non-religious are mistaken.”

    Christoph – No. It is merely the position which somebody who believes themselves to be superior assumes religious people will take. People who believe themselves to be superior have created a myth that science and religion are incompatible. They are not.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  80. “But religion is traditional and therefore conservative.”

    Unitarianism?

    Atheism (Yes, it is a religion)?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  81. I’m so conservative that I think the franchise should be as the Framers intended, restricted to white male property owners.

    The Dana who isn't joking (bd7e62)

  82. “I’m so conservative that I think the franchise should be as the Framers intended, restricted to white male property owners.”

    The Dana who isn’t joking – If it was the good looking Dana with the Jimmy Choos who said that I would have called her authentic.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  83. I know a Kenyan and a Kenseysian are different things. One wins marathons, the other makes a mess of our economy.

    Bugg (4e0dda)

  84. I worked for the Federal Government and didn’t join the union.

    PatAZ (745e66)

  85. Real conservatives don’t have to prove it.

    Average Californian (3d3f72)

  86. “Now those of you who are religions will naturally conclude the non-religious are mistaken.”

    Christoph – No. It is merely the position which somebody who believes themselves to be superior assumes religious people will take. People who believe themselves to be superior have created a myth that science and religion are incompatible. They are not.

    daleyrocks, thank you for the courteous tone, but you really missed the mark.

    I didn’t say all religious people disassociate from science. I expressly said many great thinkers, especially but not limited to those from prior generations, are religious.

    I said that religious people will naturally conclude that non-religious people are mistaken. I was referring to the fact that people who hold opposite viewpoints re: the accuracy or otherwise of religion disagree with each other by definition.

    Obviously a believer thinks a non-believer is in error not to believe.

    What part of that do you take exception to?

    “Atheism (Yes, it is a religion)?”

    No. And you’re being silly. The absence of something is not the same as something.

    It is not like religion just exists and it is impossible not to be religious. Religious is a choice or a tradition or both, but it is possible to leave it.

    If one were to take your statement seriously, every person on the planet is religious. Religious would be a word with no purpose or meaning whatsoever. Frankly it’s also a disservice to religious people to say that those who reject or simply don’t believe in God are religious.

    If you’re proud of being religious, own it; be proud of it. And be proud of your uniqueness, for goodness sakes, for being religious.

    But to say atheists are religious is … nonsense.

    Now, to say atheism is a belief system or worldview is another matter.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  87. “If one were to take your statement seriously, every person on the planet is religious.”

    Even Agnostics? Seriously, enough with your faux superiority.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  88. Isn’t it funny how Conservative-ness is measured not by what policies you would prefer enacted, but what electoral strategy you think is most effective in accomplishing it?

    CliveStaples (82869b)

  89. Even Agnostics? Seriously, enough with your faux superiority.

    Did you say agnostics or did you say atheists?

    Wait — you said atheists.

    But no, for the record, generally agnostics aren’t religious either. They’re people who just say they don’t know. It’s like you ask a person if they support the Republican Party and they say, “I don’t know.”

    This doesn’t make them a Republican. The fact that they don’t have a party membership just reinforces the fact.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  90. “But no, for the record, generally agnostics aren’t religious either.”

    Christoph – Exactly, because you stated under my statement every person on the planet would be religious. Agnostics aren’t. Your type of blanket statement is where your faux superiority gets you in trouble time after time. The religion of atheists is to prevent the religion of others from impinging on their tight to life in the belief there is no God, a Vision Quest if you will for the militant atheists.

    You don’t have the chops to be superior. Time to stop pretending.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  91. The religion of atheists is that there is no God. There is no inherent ‘natural rights’ belief in atheism; that requires a belief other than “No gods exist.”

    CliveStaples (82869b)

  92. Baloney, Christoph. The mere fact of our existence allows for inherent natural rights.

    How eactly we were endowed with them doesn’t signify whether we possess them or not. The universe (whose collective some consider a kind of ‘God’, certainly, nature) spit out conscious beings on purpose or by accident. And here we are with a whole set of observable traits.

    “Natural Rights” arise out off those traits and how we became vested in them is not dispositive of whether they are present.

    SarahW (af7312)

  93. Pardon, I was addressing Clive.

    SarahW (af7312)

  94. Correct SarahW.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  95. I killed an orphaned baby, pushed an old person off a cliff, and oppressed every brown person I have seen today. What have you done for conservatism, beeyotches?

    JD (9d14f7)

  96. Further unpacking Christoph’s BS:

    “Many people are more authentic conservatives than I am. That doesn’t mean they are right about all of the specific issues.”

    This argument was not advanced in the post, only here by you.

    “For example, religion was entirely rational once upon a time. Most but not all great thinkers in history were religious….Most but not all great thinkers in history were religious. Increasingly, fewer are as our understanding of science and man’s origins grow………So many intelligent people who fully support the ideas of capitalism, human rights, a strong national defense, justice and retribution, and other traditionally conservative values … are leaving religion..But religion is traditional and therefore conservative.”
    Now those of you who are religions will naturally conclude the non-religious are mistaken.

    “It is not axiomatic that:

    Conservatism = Correct”

    Again, it was never posited that conservatism is always correct. Would not it have been much simpler merely to say that one does not have to be religious to hold conservative values rather than write multiple supercilious paragraphs denigrating religion? People don’t even have to label themselves conservative to hold conservative to hold conservative values. ZOMG!
    Instead, you take an opportunity to point out the obvious, that the role of the church in Western society has changed over the last 500 years as a chance to bash religion, making dubious assumptions in the process which I have already pointed out. Congratulations putz.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  97. Daleyrocks, it’s amazing how he’s arguing against sarcasm while promoting his own version of the superiority this post mocks.

    Everyone else naturally got the point. Cristoph amazingly didn’t, arguing against something that isn’t said, while simultaneously posing as superior.

    Just a few days ago, he was telling me I was a pathetic and sad version of a Christian, too.

    This is probably why he thinks people are lying or goes blue in the face insisting someone meant X when they meant Y. He thinks he is too good to even bother trying to understand anyone else. He comes here to prove how superior he is, and to moan about how bad we are. It’s the most embarrassingly dumb display you’ll ever find on the internet.

    The only reason he thinks he knows it all is because he’s dumb as a bag of hammers.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  98. What happened with the Church is because it’s become about institutions and not a relationship with god. This was the reason for the Reformation, and later the Great Awakenings. The reason why evangelicals and baptists are growing while the mainline denominations are dying on the vine. Faith doesn’t require justification, it’s about the core of one’s being,

    justin cord (82637e)

  99. Dustin – He’s just proving the points I was making a few days ago. His purpose is to stir sh*t up. The first comment which derailed Karl’s post was a great example.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  100. The first comment which derailed Karl’s post was a great example.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    There is no other explanation for it. He is not pleased to see the blog have productive discussions. I don’t think he’s stupid just because he seems oblivious to what anyone else is saying… I think he doesn’t care enough to pay attention. I take him at his word that he’s sure he’s smarter and more moral than anyone here, and why would someone like that pay attention?

    I bet he was overjoyed at the notion of driving some awesome commenters away. I also bet he truly tests Patterico’s resolve on not banning anyone.

    Regardless of how stupid or weird the person is behind the comments, the comments themselves are consistently poor. They respond to strawmen. They make only the most obvious logical points.

    His comments don’t understand the interesting part of someone’s proposition and react to it intelligently. They just reconstrue everything in the laziest way needed to assert Christoph’s superiority. In that waterboarding thread, he didn’t bother with that… asserting his superiority based on no one responding to him.

    He actually does remind me a lot of Mark Levin.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  101. I’m so consevative that as a long haired i8 year old college student in 1975 I yelled down Jane Fonda during a speech at my campus and called her “Hanoi Jane” and a “traitor” to her country. My history teacher at the time gave me a final grade of a “D” in a class I was earning an “A” in. When I confronted him he said I embarrased him (he helped to set up her speech)!!

    SacTownMan (b4b797)

  102. I yelled down Jane Fonda during a speech at my campus and called her “Hanoi Jane” and a “traitor” to her country.

    Thank you for doing that.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  103. Dustin – It’s all about Christoph. If you’re not focused on what he’s saying, you’re doing it wrong.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  104. Some suitable mood music from somebody who has left the building.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  105. I am so the definition of Conservative, I no longer use that term without appending classical liberal to it.

    It’s how I roll.

    jeff (684c20)

  106. Other “conservative” bloggers are not aware of how important it is to use the two terms together.

    Clearly, they lack any understanding of how “language” functions.

    jeff (684c20)

  107. Baloney, [CliveStaples]. The mere fact of our existence allows for inherent natural rights.

    How eactly we were endowed with them doesn’t signify whether we possess them or not. The universe (whose collective some consider a kind of ‘God’, certainly, nature) spit out conscious beings on purpose or by accident. And here we are with a whole set of observable traits.

    “Natural Rights” arise out off those traits and how we became vested in them is not dispositive of whether they are present.

    Comment by SarahW.

    I didn’t say that atheism precludes natural rights, only that belief in God (or belief in the non-existence of God) has nothing to do with whether one believes in natural rights. There’s nothing about theism or atheism that obligates one to take a particular stance on natural rights.

    CliveStaples (82869b)

  108. “There’s nothing about theism or atheism that obligates one to take a particular stance on natural rights.”

    Clive – Didn’t you introduce “natural rights to the thread in #92? Perhaps I’m mistaken. If not, given the above, why freaking bother?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  109. I was responding to this:

    The religion of atheists is to prevent the religion of others from impinging on their tight to life in the belief there is no God, a Vision Quest if you will for the militant atheists.

    Strictly speaking, believing “No gods exist” doesn’t mean believing “People have a right to live in the belief that there is no God.”

    And if that truly is the religion of atheists, why are they complaining about America instead of Iran? The U.S. is one of the easiest places in the world to be an atheist.

    CliveStaples (cfa940)

  110. “And if that truly is the religion of atheists, why are they complaining about America instead of Iran?”

    Clive – You are asking the wrong person. I am neither an atheist nor do I live in Iran. I suggest you find an Iranian atheist to sue the mullahs to get Islam out of everyday life in Iran and let me know how it works out. Your question reminds me of the feminists who complain about the patriarchy and oppression in this country, but ignore what happens to women under theocratic muslim states. I don’t think there is much difference between church and state in Islamic countries.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  111. Jim DeMint has decided to reveal his philosophy as an ultra dumb-ass:

    Jim DeMint: “You can’t be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative”

    Scratch Jim DeMint from the list of Presidential contenders who can unite the GOP and win centrists.

    Christoph (8ec277)

  112. Demint has a better argument, but I’m amazed at how poorly he said this.

    It’s true that as the public sector is minimized, other sectors gain influence over our lives. When you leave morality to individuals, that will probably help traditionalists in some vague way.

    This really isn’t the point of the Tea Party at all and is destructive to our valuable coalition. I just want the government to spend a lot less money.

    Dustin (b54cdc)


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