Joe Gelarden, Indianapolis Star Reporter Who Covered Brett Kimberlin, Weighs in on the Kimberlin Saga
Over the weekend, I spoke with Joe Gelarden, the reporter who covered the Brett Kimberlin saga for the Indianapolis Star in the early ’80s. Here is a clip from an eye-opening story written by Mr. Gelarden (.pdf) that details Brett Kimberlin’s alleged murderous plots to escape from prison and exact revenge on his enemies:
Yesterday I sent Mr. Gelarden a link to my post on Kimberlin, as well as links to Liberty Chick’s post and my post about Kimberlin’s threat to sue. I asked Mr. Gelarden for a reaction, and he sent me the following, which he was kind enough to authorize me to quote:
I have little sympathy for folks who plant bombs in public places, whether in Baghdad, Times Square, the London Subway or in a suburban shopping center in the heartland of America. I would hope those convicted while enjoying all the safeguards of the federal judiciary, learned their lessons in prison, and have become productive useful citizens.
I also hope those who have injured others along the way, would pay legally imposed damages to innocents they have injured.
I seem to remember that the DeLong family was trying to pick up a gym bag in a parking lot they thought had been dropped by a forgetful teenager. Their only crime was to attempt to save some other family the cost of a new pair of $50 sneakers. I believe the pain from the Speedway bomb blast was the direct cause of Carl DeLong’s suicide.
As for BK, and his claims of libel and character assassination, I seem to recall he was convicted of perjury in federal court before he got out of high school. I seem to remember his other claims seemed to vanish under close scrutiny. James Whitcomb Riley, the famed Hoosier Poet of the late 19th century once said: “If I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”
I thank Mr. Gelarden for his time.
I am confident that we have not seen the end of this story. Stay tuned.
Ok, Mr Frey what is your comment on the reliability jailhouse informants? Another issue, seems this reporter had a bias don’t you think? I mean come on, you are an ADA, do you believe in the testimony of jailhouse informants? Do you actually believe that reporters are objective in their reporting? I thought an ADA would have better ammunition than to use the comments of a biased reporter using jailhouse informants testimony as his story base lol. But, in this country stranger things have happened lol.Slim (d061b7) — 10/12/2010 @ 6:13 pm
Have you been hired by Brett Kimberlin and/or Brad Friedman lol? What is your true purpose in commenting here lol?Patterico (c218bd) — 10/12/2010 @ 6:20 pm
Slim, you’re an idiot. Before an ADA presents a jailhouse informant as a witness for the prosecution, they make a judgment call as to the veracity of the witness’ statements, and their credibility as a witness.
They also know that the jury has a duty to judge for itself the credibility of the witness and his statements.
As to reporters, you tend to find less political bias, or at least less blatant bias, from the crime beat than on the city hall beat.XBradTC (3d2322) — 10/12/2010 @ 6:21 pm
my life is so boringhappyfeet (19c1da) — 10/12/2010 @ 6:54 pm
Be thankful, remember that line about ‘interesting times’ being a curse in Chinese,ian cormac (6709ab) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:08 pm
So Slim’s work here is not done … yet.SPQR (26be8b) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:11 pm
Slim is beginning to show itself to be fundamentally dishonest.JD (f89659) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:14 pm
I thought Slim was just offering helpful advice earlier about how we should stop commenting because we were all going to get our asses sued off.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:36 pm
Slim, do you by any chance know Jeff Cohen?daleyrocks (940075) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:38 pm
So that’s where the insightful and oft-quoted comment on ducks came from. I bet his estate wished it had a nickel for every time it has been used.MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:44 pm
Slim used to comment here a while back, then he suddenly disappeared. Now he’s back again. I wonder what single event was the catalyst for his return.John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 10/12/2010 @ 7:52 pm
That sneaky Mr Gelarden! Writing a biased piece all those years ago just in case someone invented an internet and an on-line war becaome possible. What were the chances? Slim to none…pun intended.Gazzer (1b7d21) — 10/12/2010 @ 8:00 pm
Patterico, thanks for sticking with this story, it’s one that cries out for exposure.ropelight (c5cc3b) — 10/12/2010 @ 8:04 pm
Well, I, for one, am extremely relieved that Slim is here to school us on the legal ramifications of irresponsible blog commenting — especially since we all know what a dim bulb Mr. Frey is.Credo (de5daf) — 10/12/2010 @ 8:47 pm
Patterico, sorry to threadjack– and I know you’ve had your differences with Jeff Goldstein in the past– but thought you’d be interested (and concerned). It appears Jeff is being stalked and harassed again, by “the usual suspect”:
http://proteinwisdom.com/wp-trackback.php?p=21871qdpsteve (f1c59f) — 10/12/2010 @ 8:54 pm
qdpsteve – She is one sick persistent psycho twist.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/12/2010 @ 9:24 pm
I think it is amazing that this reporter blogged about this in 1980.JD (2ad21f) — 10/12/2010 @ 9:28 pm
JD – My reaction as well. Ahead of his time, clearly.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:01 pm
I told you so. I predicted how Brad would react, and it’s precisely what happened. I said he would basically ignore all content and spin it as being a matter of raging teanuts and a psychotic stalker weaving disinformation.
Aaron Worthing: So, Brad, you don’t think we should find anything at all troubling about associating yourself with an unrepentant domestic terrorist?
Brad Friedman: I have no opinion on what you should find troubling or not. I might suggest you think twice before relying on information from disinformative, oft-discredited partisan hack sites with a record of dishonest, out-of-context defamation such Breitbart’s (where blatant inaccuracies are simply ignored by the authors and editors, with no corrections or apologies issued) or psychotic Internet loons with well-documented records of violent and profane threats and years-long repeated (and baseless) assertions that I’m a neo-Nazi working as a CIA plant, or some other nonsense.
I won’t even go into too much here what some nutjob wrote that Brad agreed with. It had to do with convolution that has happened elsewhere. Though I will note that he said Brad gave a cyberstalker my personal information and Brad didn’t deny it. That person was sending me a lot of vicious emails and basically trying to terrorise me on the internet, enough so I talked it over with the local police. And no, I am not noted chemtrail debunker Jay Reynolds nor Dustin. This is convolution 101, and Brad has no problem letting such stuff stay online.
What we now know for sure is Brad has never nor will ever discuss Brett Kimberlin’s past.
People should check out the Yvonne Abraham piece called Crime and Publishing. They will see how Brett has for decades exhibited an amazing capacity for telling whoppers. I am no psychologist, so I don’t know whether he is a liar or deranged or some combination. But I do see similarities in Brett’s lying past with his internet incarnation. Yes, there are many similarities to his past lying with certain stories that have come out of BradBlog and Velvet Revolution. Such stories have been the basis for their generating donations.
It is a house of cards that has crumbled. Brad is desperate for folks to ignore my cybersleuthing, research, and writing. Since people can decide for themselves, most will eventually realise that nearly all of what I have blogged transcends myself as an individual.
Sure, I like writing, and I do realise we are all individuals. I do like to kick back and let it rip, at times try to be funny and whatnot. However, I have at various times found topics I’ve devoted time to investigating. The last year I got into figuring out the satanic panic. More recently I got interested in old school Hollywood.
I think it’s pretty disgusting what was done to me. But I am truly at peace with my internet experience.
Thanks to everyone for treating me with fairness. I don’t begrudge yourselves for taking shots at liberals. Heck, I’ve done the same towards conservatives. But I’m not here to get into any of that type of dialogue.
I do want to say this, however. Brad Friedman and Brett Kimberlin do not represent the left. Neither does Markos Moulitsas nor Arianna Huffington. These are opportunists. They knew which way the wind was blowing. Politics tends to go in cycles. We have swings from liberalism to conservatism and back and forth.
I am a true lefty. That doesn’t mean I hate conservatives. I just disagree with their ideology, as they do mine. There’s no need for hate on either side. This is America.Prepostericity (4eeb82) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:12 pm
I love those sentiments and I hope you hang around this blog and pester everyone with your lefty beliefs. If you do, I’ll do my level best to protect you from people jumping down your throat.
I won’t always be able to do it though, since I have a job and can’t monitor comments throughout the day. You’ll have to rely on my enforcing a civil tone through occasional comments.
You sort of remind me of a lefty version of Dustin, which is a comparison I hope neither of you resents. Dustin is a sort of loquacious guy who goes on and on, but while he is basically conservative he is an honest sort who calls them the way he sees them. I love his comments because I can recognize them well before I get to the “Comment by . . .” line — and I almost always agree with him.
I think you’d like it here, and I am always looking for people to keep the conservatives honest.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:26 pm
Prepostericity – I appreciate your comments here and I also took the time to read through most of your blog posts, DU threads and Daily Kos posts. I think it was great that you were able to see through BS being spun on BradBlog and pursue the truth, which I think is more important than ideology.
I echo Patterico’s sentiment about sticking around. I spent a couple of years as one of a couple of conservatives on Glenn Greenwald’s blog. I don’t think this place is as hostile as that. A number of the comments taking shots on the Kimberlin pieces were intended to provoke reactions.
Thanks again.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:35 pm
There are a few lefties who comment here quite a bit, and it’s very enjoyable. When you’re not interested in Brad and Brett’s con organization, you should still come here and argue about issues. I’m just a commenter and can’t speak for anyone but me, but you come across as intelligent and honorable.
I was surprised they decided we were the same person because I’m just more bumbling. I almost don’t want to reply to you because it will fuel a few paranoids that I’m your sockpuppet, but I guess I’ll enjoy the entertainment.
Sucks that you got harassed. Be thankful nothing exploded around you.
Beyond all that, the way Brad is reacting to this is very peculiar. The censorship of certain terms and the strange way he’s reacted to me just seem weird. He doesn’t seem angry I’m bringing this up… but he’s ignoring it. Even though the evidence that he’s partner in a charity run at a con man’s house is overwhelming.
I can put myself in his shoes were he were an honest man being smeared or the victim of a big misunderstanding… this isn’t how he’d act. And I can put myself in his shoes if he were trying to keep this con hidden, and I still don’t think this is how he’d act.
Maybe he’s versed in game theory and is trying to confuse, or he’s smart about Breitbart’s methods (to pounce when a denial can be debunked).
Either way, Velvet Revolution and any other charity run by Brett or his affiliates, Brad Friedman and Jeff Cohen, can’t be trusted with anyone’s donations. They are acting as though they have no accountability to explain any of this, and they are completely wrong. Brad could agree with me on every single political issue and I would feel exactly the same way (and anyone familiar with my comments knows this is the truth).Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:38 pm
He is Socrates. Sounds like Mr Frey has a new love interest. May I be the first to congratulate the bride to be? Good luck with Socrates Frey, you will need it. Ever see the movie What about Bob? Hah, that is Socrates. He will find a way to take over your blog and remove it from your hands, and when you reject him over it he will start attacking you until you bow before him lol. Every where he has been has been the same thing. Funny though how the right wing now offers to protect him lol, like Socrates needs protection lol. You will more than likely regret the day you were born when you let this stalker come into your house lol. But, YMMV… Good luck with him Frey, you two deserve each other. Have a happy life together…Slim (d061b7) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:39 pm
Awkward….Gazzer (1b7d21) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:42 pm
Thanks for the kind words, P.
Believe it or not, this is me trying to be succinct. Any time I read a thread a second time, I realize I need to work keep working on that.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:43 pm
I think Slim has showed his true colors. My guess: Slim is “Tracker” aka “Big Jim McBob” who has (as far as I can tell falsely) accused Preposterwhatever/Socrates of being some McDonald guy with a criminal record. [UPDATE: I guess it’s actually Reynolds, right? Whatever.]
Admit it, Slim aka Tracker aka Big Jim McBob: you’re not really Mr. Neutrality are you?
Yeah, didn’t think so lol. You’re a creep lol. As are most people who randomly say lol at the end of their sentences lol.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/12/2010 @ 10:52 pm
Slim, you were telling me you agreed with me, and even noting “good comment, Dustin”, before listing all the dreadful legal consequences you just hate to warn me I’m headed for.
Now it appears you hate my guts.
The homophobia thing is a bit of a tell (I noticed the same in some commenter at Brad’s, and though I don’t recall the name, $10 says it’s this Big Jim moniker). It’s not normal to leap to that kind of attack.
What are you so upset with me for, anyway? Remember all those comments of mine you quoted and then treated as sane, reasonable points? They were sane, reasonable points. Brad’s associating with a loathsome con man in some kind of charity scheme, and I think he should be scrutinized for it.
I would freaking love it if you just told me I’m wrong, instead of lying that you think I’m right. Even better if you explained where you’re coming from on that.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/12/2010 @ 11:04 pm
Thanks for the kind words everyone. With my short time here, I’ve become accustomed to some of your names and have been reading your posts, such as daleyrocks, Dustin, and Aaron Worthing.
I’ll probably check this place out from time to time. One problem is I’ve had my online identity stolen at times. Thus I’m prone to self-quarantining at just a few blogs.
Slim does sound like the poster Big Jim McBob from BradBlog who signed off one post as Tracker. I’m averse to going into convoluted backstory. I will say that Tracker is an alias for the person I reported to my local police for cyberstalking.Prepostericity (4eeb82) — 10/12/2010 @ 11:20 pm
I was forced to put on comment moderation at my blog because of this person and one other.
It’s tough to prove sock puppetry. Yet, the similarities between Slim and Big Jim whatever at BradBlog are very close.
So they’re either the same guy, or another person is following these things and impersonating him. I think it’s the same guy.
Here are some names Tracker has used at DFQ2 for usernames. I didn’t approve his comments, but I have saved copies. He posted the same kind of convoluted backstory stuff now up at BradBlog I’m trying to avoid drawing ye into.
Jim Bob McBob
Big Bad John
I suspect if Patterico does a search on Slim’s geographical location, it will show he is either using a proxy or is located in Maine.Prepostericity (4eeb82) — 10/12/2010 @ 11:35 pm
Any guesses on what Kimberlin brings to liberal causes that makes all the baggage he carries with him worth it?DRJ (d43dcd) — 10/13/2010 @ 12:03 am
I think Slim was in San Antonio.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 12:11 am
Has he commented before?DRJ (d43dcd) — 10/13/2010 @ 12:14 am
Not that I could tell.Patterico (279f48) — 10/13/2010 @ 12:19 am
Yeah sure.. I thought I was in Germany, but maybe i am wrong lolJoey (604a8a) — 10/13/2010 @ 12:54 am
Okay, Slim, I’m going to give you a bit of a tip. Patterico has been trying to bring in more left-wing commenters. It has been a on-going goal of his for several weeks. That is why he welcomed Prepostericity. I can’t believe you made a such a juvenile reference as an Internet reputation consultant, but it isn’t helping your case. It also sounds fishy that you showed up specifically in threads relating to Brett.
I’m in dire financial straits, but I’ll at least send a few bucks to help Patterico defend himself from frivolous lawsuits from a sociopathic domestic terrorist and wannabe political hack.OmegaPaladin (c50578) — 10/13/2010 @ 1:01 am
How bout Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, Ira Einhorn or Huey Newton? Do they?
Of course these guys represent the core fakery of the leftists, they always have. Leftism is filled with lies and misdirections and lying people who regurgitate lollipop sugary ideas of saving everybody, except conservatives and square people. Plenty of young kids fall for the lefty svengali with weird charisma and balls.Rev Dr E Buzz (1e6803) — 10/13/2010 @ 2:46 am
Having been over to Socrates site, I see that he comes at it from a leftwing perspective, but he does it from a position of integrity. then again so did Michael Novak, Collier, Horowitz, et al, once upon a time, It is interesting how Raw Story ties in to this, one of the more delusional sites in the Plamaniac archipelago. It seems like all these groups came out of nowhere, and then subsequently presented ‘evidence’ much as with the Climate scam.ian cormac (6709ab) — 10/13/2010 @ 5:06 am
Slim is a lying plagiarizing mendoucheous twatwaffle. That is all.JD (60938c) — 10/13/2010 @ 6:07 am
I’m still trying to figure out how someone who went to jail for setting off pipe bombs, can be considered a valid business partner, what kind of rationalization, goes into that kind of decision, the same goes for Ayers. On the far right, you probably have to count Glennwald’s client Matt Hale and David Duke, in that same circle of hellian cormac (6709ab) — 10/13/2010 @ 6:13 am
That Jeff Cohen guy was such a frothing lunatic on that FNC show, and it turns out he might be someone who had a dalliance with some scummy characters…
I’m not surprised at all, he always struck me as a guy who wouldn’t mind “cutting corners” to further his utopian wacko ideas.Rev Dr E Buzz (1eb242) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:22 am
I think Slim is the same guy or an associate. He could be using a proxy. He could be on a visit to Texas. Anyway, it looks like he got busted plagiarising on another Patterico thread. He had some awkward, lengthy posts which seemed agenda driven. He can be easily tied to the nutjob at Bradblog who is claiming I’m a psychotic Liberace or wtf. So what is this guy, some madman or an astroturfer? There’s no way to tell. It’s one or the other.
As for my posting here more often, I’m not sure it’s possible. Too many comments are made that are too time-consuming to debunk. On another thread, someone was shocked about a Mao ornament being found on a White House Christmas tree. It took me a while to get past all the right wing blog hits to a decent source. I’m not saying right wing equals ignore. I’m here, aren’t I? I’m saying there are a lot of sycophants in this world, and political ideology has nothing to do with it. People are people.
It was a non-story, as in it was an Andy Warhol version of Mao and the Obama’s weren’t the source of its placement. Anyone who is dumb enough to think Obama is a communist or socialist, with all due respect, is not worth the time.
Lefties would probably be more willing to post here, if the regular posters and others debunked things like that. Maybe you guys do that type of thing and I’ve missed it.
It looks like the Mao story came out of Breitbart TV. The reason why I was able to predict Brad’s reaction to the Kimberlin story is precisely because of other things such as the Mao story or how righties do indeed stretch the ACORN story. Voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud.
The truth is the truth. I don’t get paid to blog. I don’t feel like spending time explaining things that should be obvious.Prepostericity (fa8b13) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:44 am
First, it’s exceedingly difficult to show a vote being cast fraudulently, although in some cases it’s pretty clear that’s happened.
But voter registration fraud is election fraud and it definitely makes elections less reliable. The practice has been a major problem with ACORN, and it’s totally unacceptable. One huge problem with screwing with elections is that one you pass a certain threshold, paranoia starts eroding confidence. You say people overstate the problem… that is true sometimes, and a major part of the problem.
I don’t really care about the Mao Christmas ornament, but I know one of Obama’s senior staff, Ms. Dunn, was extremely laudatory about Mao. I think that’s an interesting story. Mao is one of the most horrible people to ever exist, even from a left wing perspective.
Is Obama a Socialist? Well, we can see he doesn’t seem to be pushing for total collective ownership of means of production, after all. But he is into social democracy. Calling him a commie is either hyperbole or paranoia. But part of that is probably based on Obama signing a “relationship” agreement with the Chicago New Party, whose “Where we stand” page is explicitly socialist (“We are socialists”, it starts). Some of Obama’s background is a bit kooky or radical.
It’s valuable to point out the huge differences between Obama’s policies and socialism.’
As Ian said, you come from a leftwing perspective from a position of integrity, but none of us come from a perspective of perfection. I don’t think anyone can offer anything better than a place where discourse is possible. A lot of people will get the facts wrong, in all political directions, get angry about it, etc. Part of the reason folks want more lefties here is because it’s more interesting to have disagreements from many perspectives with many honest people. Asking people to prove their facts is part of that.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:31 am
OK, but I could name a bunch of conservatives who employ lies and misdirection, too. I wish the GOP had less “we’re going to protect you” and more “take responsibility”, but the basic issue you’re calling out is basically mainstream American politics. And this isn’t ending with the Tea Party, most members of which believe in social welfare problems like SSA and Medicaire.
And at the end of the day, those programs are unsustainable and I think a lot of folks are fooled about that, thanks to politicians.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:37 am
Obama cannot really help where he came up from, his mother was something of a radical, ditto for his father, who absented himself early in the process, the influence of Frank Marshall Davis, Said at Columbia, Bell and Ogletree at Harvard Law, later Ayers, a eminently less able terrorist than Kimberlin, but with more radical ambitions, Wright, et al. The CAC that supported their careers while defrauding the school children of Chicago (another leftwing person of integrity, Steve Diamond, has been a primary exponent) the likes of Van Jones, and Mark Lloyd, who admireian cormac (6709ab) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:42 am
the ‘wonderful Democratic revolution’ of Chavez, those are the big things, not a Mao ornament
“…One huge problem with screwing with elections is that one(sic) you pass a certain threshold, paranoia starts eroding confidence…”
Would it seem plausible that, in Cook County, if you delete the fraudulent votes, the level of voter turnout would be a scandal; i.e., a lot of people don’t bother to vote because they know The Combine will manufacture enough fraudulent votes to swing the election in the direction they prefer.AD-RtR/OS! (8b4d8f) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:51 am
“a Mao ornament”
I believe it is as good an indicator of who is running things as any alliances between people.
It speaks volumes to me.Rev Dr E Buzz (1eb242) — 10/13/2010 @ 2:04 pm
“Obama cannot really help where he came up from”
ian – While it’s true that you can’t choose your family, you are certainly free not to choose their failed ideologies and worldviews. To me, Obama’s lack of knowledge of conservatism, American history and economics shows a deep intellectual laziness on his part.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/13/2010 @ 2:08 pm
I agree Brad’s downplaying of ACORN irregularities is fishy. But it does make sense if one compares it to his recent hyperbole concerning the email voting hack. To me, it’s about himself posturing on certain issues in an attempt to reinforce an image he believes increases his popularity.
I think it’s admirable you are trying to welcome bloggers from the opposite side. I wish you luck with that. I also think you have a much better chance of succeeding with that endeavour than other right leaning websites I’ve come across, such as Free Republic.
You guys have caught me at a bad time. I have become very cynical of the internet. A few years back, I was definitely into posting at websites with a good number of bloggers participating. Now I’m just not into it. One of my few blogging friends is The Last Name Left. He is a socialist from Wales. He actually gets a kick out of debating opposites rather than posting in preaching to the choir settings. He is someone you’d might like to try to engage.
If anything pops up here I find interesting, I’ll make sure to drop a post. If I don’t, it doesn’t mean this place is boring, or it’s anything personal.
By the way, I have my own response finally posted concerning the Kimberlin suing people schtick.
Brett Kimberlin Says He Has Sued Me
I have comment moderation on, because I have been brutally attacked in the past, one recent example being the Jim Bob McBob guy at BradBlog.
Another reason I have comment moderation on is that by chance something happens, not saying anything will, I’d rest more peacefully knowing bad people didn’t have a free ride to contaminate my blog. There is the proverbial one could be hit by a bus is what I’m talking about.
I have censored before, but only for posts that got way too personal and out of context. I don’t care if people disagree with me, but let’s keep the hate out of it. Not saying any of ye are like that.
I know I probably shouldn’t deny it, but I am not gay like McBob said. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, according to a famous episode of Seinfeld.
Sure I support lesbian and homosexual rights. I don’t even think that’s a partisan outlook either. There’s that Log Cabin Republican thing, though I don’t know much about it.Prepostericity (fa8b13) — 10/13/2010 @ 2:46 pm
Why do all these leftists use “gay” as an insult or smear?JD (ce5305) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:14 pm
says the Bush voter and Iraq war supporter!timb (8f04c0) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:36 pm
Patrick, did you read this article based upon anonymous sources and police and prosecutor office leaks. For all the smoke Mr. Gelarden sees, the fact remains Kimberlin wasn’t convicted of threatening prosecutors or planning a murder spree or murdering the woman. Gelarden is apparently convinced, but where were the charges?
In the end, like I said, if you want to abuse Friedman for his lack of character for hanging out with bombing, perjuring, drug dealer, then you can do so. But, for such a fierce critic of press reports to accept the above news story as anything more than sensational leaking and a riveting story is strange. A man who goes to such semantic lengths as to write correction after correction over James O’Keefe plea deal or how many Obama appointees remain unconfirmed should, one imagines, have problems with a story that claims jailhouse conspiracies were written in “distinctive handwriting” and made it “into the prosecutor’s files” and then glosses over the fact that conspiracy charges were NEVER filed. I wonder why; Mr. Gelarden does not. After all, he had a story to tell.timb (8f04c0) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:47 pm
timb, what’s your point?
I bet he understands the arguments against Bush’s policies and the Iraq war from a liberal and conservative point of view.
Your ‘argument’ is an example of the problem. Obama doesn’t appear to be very well rounded or flexible. He’s had a hard time adapting to reality, now that he’s not just a campaigner. If he was more knowledgeable an experienced, he would be a better president. Your reply is ‘Boooooosh!’.
I’m probably giving you too much credit to assume you mean Bush wasn’t knowledgeable about those concepts, or that a conservative couldn’t support him in spite of his flaws.
I just remember that Bush inherited a huge pile of problems, including one that led to a financial catastrophe. He steered us through that much better than Obama has, partly by applying conservative economic ideas.
Obama came to work and things weren’t perfect either. But instead of leading us out, he played politics, not letting these crises go to waste. Huge expansions of government, with the economic problem as their justification, have made things much worse.
And now the argument is ‘Boooosh!’ Great.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:48 pm
Damn blogs in the 80’s. Can’t trust a word they say.JD (cbe522) — 10/13/2010 @ 7:52 pm
“a story that claims jailhouse conspiracies were written in “distinctive handwriting” and made it “into the prosecutor’s files” and then glosses over the fact that conspiracy charges were NEVER filed.”
timb – Did you ever think about the difficulties of prosecuting a case based on key witness testimony from another criminal plus handwritten notes the defendant could claim meant anything? Did you think the pending charges were insufficient?daleyrocks (940075) — 10/13/2010 @ 8:34 pm
That was creepy. Very creepy.Les Miles (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 8:48 pm
Oops. Goofy cookies. That whole “billy the kid” comment above was very creepy.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 8:49 pm
Not merely creepy. I see the need for some IP bans.SPQR (26be8b) — 10/13/2010 @ 8:56 pm
Looks like it got deleted, which was wise. But the ID on that person’s IP should become very very very public.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:06 pm
That was imdw. He wins the prize for first commenter since the amnesty to have his comments be moderated.
His information was wrong, by the way.
I said I wouldn’t ban anyone and I won’t. I will approve any comments of his from moderation . . . that are publishable.
But he has lost the privilege of interacting normally with the rest of you during the day, given that I work during the day and cannot spend my time approving comments. So any comment he leaves during working hours will have to wait to be approved until the end of the day.
Oh — I had to moderate a comment by Dustin that referred to another topic that I would prefer not to have discussed here. Dustin did nothing wrong, but I am just staying out of that one — which includes mentioning it here.
Dustin, feel free to republish your comment without the reference I am talking about. Also feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:17 pm
imdw is apparently an angrier little man than I realized, by the way. I always thought he was just annoying — but to publish what he did in this particular context reveals the type of guy he really is.
I think imdw loves him some convicted bombers almost as much as Brad Friedman does.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:21 pm
It never takes long for them to revert to form. Just wait for him to start hating on some joooooooooooooos again.
But that was a particularly uncalled for comment from that crapweasel.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:32 pm
I am done protecting imdw from insults. He has earned whatever anyone wants to throw at him.
As far as I am concerned, imdw/bart/Billy the Kid can serve as your personal verbal punching bag from this point forward.
He has earned it.Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:40 pm
Comment by Patterico — 10/13/2010 @ 9:40 pm
Welll…It’s really somewhat unfair, don’t you think….
..that only the guys who got to see the apparently idiotic comment be allowed to have at it? / 😉
Seriously, sorry I missed it but what was the gist of what he said? Something about liking bombers?no one you know (72db9b) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:50 pm
That was a seriously F*cked up comment given a convicted lefty bomber has already threatened you with litigation and asked where you live.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:52 pm
noyk – It posted our host’s address, and wife’s name.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:57 pm
noyk – It posted our host’s address, and wife’s name.
Comment by JD — 10/13/2010 @ 9:57 pm
Sorry for the levity.no one you know (72db9b) — 10/13/2010 @ 9:58 pm
As far as I am concerned, imdw/bart/Billy the Kid
Good grief, am I the only one who had no clue that some people here regularly (or semi-regularly) post under so many handles? Heavensent and his many identities came as a surprise, and now imdw? Gee, so out of the ‘know’ here.Dana (8ba2fb) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:01 pm
This seems to be a recurring theme for leftist twatwaffles.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:01 pm
Dana- I try to point them out when I see them doing so. That is but a portion of the list of names that imdw has hid behind.JD (eb1dfe) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:02 pm
It posted our host’s address, and wife’s name.
I see that as an entirely reasonable reason to ban someone. There is no excuse for it, and clearly the intent was to cause harm. Inexcusable.Dana (8ba2fb) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:05 pm
And yeah, I just realized I probably shouldn’t have even said ^
Smart policy, though.
I am surprised imdw was the one behind the Billy the Kid comment. He’s pissed me off so many times, but this was so far beyond what I thought he was capable of.
Some people really take their politics a little too seriously. Never in 1000 years would I consider antagonizing somebody by naming family and their home. imdw, you obviously take so much glee in trolling those you disagree with. Virtually every comment you leave is just fishing for acrimony. Well, the amount of frustration and anger you’d have to feel to leave that comment makes you the loser of your own stupid-ass game.Dustin (b54cdc) — 10/13/2010 @ 10:40 pm
Patterico – No prob on the other moderation. I saw your name mentioned and thought some reaction might have occurred was all. The lack of profanity made me doubtful on this occasion.daleyrocks (940075) — 10/13/2010 @ 11:13 pm
The profanities in the filter will probably catch any such instances, although none have been forthcoming in the comments section. It has been nice to watch some try to force their (losing) coping strategy on others. How’s that coping strategy working out for ya!Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 11:22 pm
I decided not to poke a hornet’s nest today. Pragmatic!Patterico (c218bd) — 10/13/2010 @ 11:23 pm
Now that was a remarkably irresponsible act, and it was right for you to ban him, I’ve really limited my self to one other handle, and I think you can figure out by the thrust of my commentsnarciso (6709ab) — 10/14/2010 @ 4:09 am
I think I made this point before
http://spleenville.com/2010/10/12/iron-fist-in-a-velvet-glove/ian cormac (6709ab) — 10/14/2010 @ 6:31 am
“Patterico's Pontifications » Joe Gelarden, Indianapolis Star Reporter Who Covered Brett Kimberlin, Weighs in on the Kimberlin Saga”? You gotta be kidding!Porter Lamson (64cd1e) — 8/15/2011 @ 3:58 pm