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Grayson’s now in trouble – poll wise

EricPWJohnson (5295cd) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:40 am

Answer the question numbnuts. Why do you have to lie about what your opponent said and not go after him on the issues like abortion, women’s rights and such. Is it because you’d be lying about that too? Hmmmm? Low life. (ptui!)

PatriotRider (17f47b) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:46 am

eric

that poll was taken before the taliban dan ad aired. i suspect it will get worse for grayson. couldn’t happen to a bigger d–k.

also his previous ad attacking webster’s patriotism was pretty noxious, too. Webster was not allowed to serve in the military because he has something wrong with his feet, so he can’t stand for very long. The title of the ad says it all “draft dodger.”

At my blog, i suggested an ad for webster:

If I was Webster I would put out an ad showing those feet, while he sits in a chair. And I would say something like this. “Like a lot of Americans, I was born with a disability. My feet have been misshapen from birth and as a result I can’t stand for very long. Every effort to make then normal has failed. It shouldn’t surprise you to learn that when I did my duty and showed up for military service, the military told me they didn’t want me. I was frustrated, but I understood.

“Now my opponent has attacked me for this disability. He says that because I didn’t serve in the military that I am a draft dodger. His ad says that because the military would not let me serve even though I was willing, that I do not love this country as much as him. Well, Mr. Grayson, you don’t have a disability and you never served. What is your excuse?”

And then pepper in a few newspaper articles talking about the other lying ad, etc. Then end it on a nice note. “I am not ashamed of my disability. Overcoming it has given me character, it has taught me humility, and it has taught me to sympathize with others. And disability or not, if you send me to Congress…” And then he rises to his feet, “…I will stand up for you.”

http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/09/devil-and-daniel-webster.html#more

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:49 am

The Grayson ad was so cherry-picked he might just as well have cut each letter out of a different periodical as if it were a ransom note. No PC here, he lied to make his case and failed morally, ethically and valueless.

vet66 (9d1bb3) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:50 am

btw, i like jim geraghty’s commentary on this:

Alan Grayson appears to have done the impossible with his “Taliban Dan” ad. He’s gotten MSNBC to turn on him[.]

It is pretty stunning.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:53 am

imdw and crissyhooten and alan grayson approved this ad.

JD (a99479) — 9/29/2010 @ 8:56 am

Don’t forget shooter – he just loves this kind of stuff.

Dmac (84da91) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:14 am

Yeah, Grayson’s an idiot. So is James O’Keefe:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/29/okeefe.cnn.prank

A conservative activist known for making undercover videos plotted to embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating “palace of pleasure” and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning document show.

James O’Keefe, best known for hitting the community organizing group ACORN with an undercover video sting, hoped to get CNN Investigative Correspondent Abbie Boudreau onto a boat filled with sexually explicit props and then record the session, those documents show.

AJB (d64738) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:17 am

AJB has pudding for brains. Is James O’Keefe a sitting Congresscritter?

JD (a99479) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:18 am

AJB

i don’t know, it sounds like it would have been funny if it worked.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:20 am

Nice strawman, AJB.

Fail….

Tex Lovera (30e140) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:22 am

next i hear AJB will rail against the guys at Jackass.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:25 am

AJB – Do you have the Alan Grayson sex tape with the donkey that is making the rounds?

daleyrocks (940075) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:29 am

At this point, I would advise the Webster campaign to do their next ad on Grayson’s ad.

aunursa (69b3db) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:30 am

Patterico and others…

In the interests of fairness, I would love to see links from Left leaning blogs criticizing Grayson’s actions.

Hopefully, they hold their own side accountable. Right?

Eric Blair (51ef58) — 9/29/2010 @ 10:27 am

Eric, here is a lefty tool furiously trying to mitigate the damage Grayson has inflicted upon himself. Yes, the blogger here admits that the ad was wrong, but predictably falls back on the “Republicans do this sort of thing all the time” claim as well as the obnoxious “there is a kernel of truth to his allegations” assertion.

JVW (eccfd6) — 9/29/2010 @ 11:17 am

AJB says that “Grayson’s an idiot”, and he should know.

Icy Texan (9b7145) — 9/29/2010 @ 11:24 am

I hope people don’t trash Grayson too much. We need him to be the next DNC chair. In fact, he should challenge Obama in 2012.

Glen Wishard (2167a4) — 9/29/2010 @ 11:42 am

Dealing with Grayson is like being in a band, marching behind the equestrian units in a parade:
You spend more time trying not to step in the crap than playing the music!

In the end, you need to concentrate on your message, ignore his hissy-fits, and after winning, take a long hot shower and buy some new shoes.

AD-RtR/OS! (4c7111) — 9/29/2010 @ 11:53 am

That is one disgusting dude.

Ironsides (381341) — 9/29/2010 @ 12:07 pm

Grayson’s a slimeball, but I have to worry about how some of the un-rebutted claims he makes in the clip about Webster’s marriage legislation will play with female voters. It may be total BS, but some people are going to fall for it.

Infidoll (10ef17) — 9/29/2010 @ 12:36 pm

I think Webster could respond with an ad showing the full sentence and then just ask if the voter wants a Congressman who lies like this. Grayson is odd. Most of his stuff seems to becoming from his id. He may have some personal problems.

Mike K (568408) — 9/29/2010 @ 12:47 pm

Grayson has taken a nosedive in the polls and will probably lose the race.

Florida is a slow learner, but she eventually comes around.

Grayson won’t go away, though. He takes joy in being everything paranoid Democrats believe Karl Rove is. The idea that this is wrong doesn’t process.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/29/2010 @ 12:50 pm

There’s a vid from earlier this year, when Grayson interrupted a local GOP meeting. He basically went nuts, calling them everything in the book, including Nazis. Pure projection, and the best part was the parting shot some woman gave him as he left the meeting – “you stay classy, Alan!”

Dmac (84da91) — 9/29/2010 @ 12:51 pm

As someone this bozo represents…[face in palm]…I CANNOT wait for him to be voted out of office.

He only won because of the anti Republican sentiment fueled by the hate Bush mantra that was heard for 8 years.

Orlando is not traditionally very liberal, and I believe we have all have enough of this idiot.

Rather interesting point: The radio stations here are actually REPORTING on this and how idiot Grayson took the quotes out of context [his response on MSNBC: well, it’s only a 30 second commercial so we of course we couldn’t include everything.]

How about INCLUDING THE TRUTH, you piece of garbage? It’s interesting to note also that I have seen very few signs supporting this bozo spring up in O Town.

I can see November from my window!!! YEAH!!!

Charlotte (dad663) — 9/29/2010 @ 1:27 pm

Didn’t Grayson also due to try to shut down the blogger who put up a website named in Grayson’s honor: My Congressman Is Nuts

daleyrocks (940075) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:03 pm

Sue not Due

daleyrocks (940075) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:04 pm

Daley

you would think that grayson as a lawyer would know that truth is a defense.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:05 pm

off topic, but prostitution has just been legalized in canada by an activist ruling. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/867332–canada-s-prostitution-laws-unconstitutional-court-rules?bn=1

i didn’t realize Vaugh Walker was a judge there are well.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:11 pm

Harvard man don’t ya know.

Heavensent (4f78d0) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:40 pm

What’s the Christian population in his district? Its a good attack ad (truth? Come on guys its an ATTACK add) but I don’t see how its going to go over well if a majority of his constituents are Christian, specifically because Christians are sick of being characterized as religious fanatics or of being lumped in with them. I think the add, just by representing religious beliefs in a negative light, plays as anti-Christian even if it only accuses Mr. Webster personally of being an “extremist”.

Ed Wood (c2268a) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:44 pm

Here’s that vid of Grayson crashing the GOP meeting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Px5hJmFLqA&feature=related

He actually re – entered the restaurant a second time to continue his asshattery. Unreal.

Dmac (84da91) — 9/29/2010 @ 2:54 pm

Fake but accurate. This stuff is mental.

Vivian Louise (c7cad6) — 9/29/2010 @ 3:23 pm

ummm..i know u are mondo-bizzy working on your alternative conservative reality Patterico……but just what was your personal slimeball James O’Keefe going for here?

wheeler's cat (f28646) — 9/29/2010 @ 3:50 pm

LOL, that’s the classic democrat defense of a democrat ruler. Wheeler says ‘look over there!’

O’Keefe isn’t on-topic. He’s not a US Congressman. He probably was trying to prove some point in a sting operation, and it didn’t work out because, like most sting operations, a reasonable person won’t go for the sting and even finds the offers disgusting.

For example, ACORN shouldn’t have offered to help import little girls into sex slavery, or give ideas on how to hide profits, or offer to help commit mortgage fraud to house a sex slave operation. They should have found that offer disgusting. If they had, O’Keefe could have been attacked. This is what it looks like when a sting fails to catch a fish like ACORN, friend of dope dealers and pimps and vote fraud.

But anyway, how predictable of a democrat shill to think that’s a reasonable explanation for Congressman Grayson.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/29/2010 @ 3:59 pm

I guess WC is just…spinning…but not like a real dervish. Just a fake Sufi.

A donkey carrying holy books.

Come to think of it, carrying a lot of water, too.

It’s funny how Krazy Kat keeps getting skooled, and keeps coming back. It’s from too much Manga, and that particular ghost needs to stay back in her shell.

Eric Blair (c8876d) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:05 pm

Wait a second…Contessa Brewer scolding someone for flamboyant, biased editing? I’d say that’s the pot calling the kettle black…but it’s not…what Brewer and MSNBC did to the gun toting town hall guy in AZ was far worse. The press is supposed to have higher standards…politicians…well..w/e.

CT Lostaglia (ea2b04) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:16 pm

That’s AJB and wheeler cat that have tried to distract from the topic with a ref to O’Keefe.

Axelrod’s work is poorly done,eh?

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:30 pm

off topic, but prostitution has just been legalized in canada by an activist ruling. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/867332–canada-s-prostitution-laws-unconstitutional-court-rules?bn=1

i didn’t realize Vaugh Walker was a judge there are well.

A judge might do that in the U.S. as well, if they interpret Lawrence v. Texas to go beyond forbidding regulation of “private sexual conduct” that is consensual.

Michael Ejercito (249c90) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:51 pm

Can a new commenter ask a question of AJB and Wheeler?

I’ve known since about 3rd grade that “they did it to!” was not an effective defense.

Why are you still trying to use it?

ConservativeWanderer (4e2a1e) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:55 pm

Oops… typo above. “to” should be “too.”

Sheesh… a typo on my first comment here… what will you folks think of me?

ConservativeWanderer (4e2a1e) — 9/29/2010 @ 4:56 pm

Well, at least you corrected your mistake, and took responsibility for it…
that goes a long way around here.

AD-RtR/OS! (4c7111) — 9/29/2010 @ 5:05 pm

If they just dropped the “essa” from Contessa Brewer then we’d be talking right.

Heavensent (4f78d0) — 9/29/2010 @ 5:18 pm

You can always count on the Official Equivalency Police to comment on a revelation of stupidity.

Vivian Louise (c7cad6) — 9/29/2010 @ 5:18 pm

Wanderer – you have demonstrated more honesty and personal integrity in 2 comments than wheelerz/nishidiot and AJB ever will in their entire pathetic lifetimes.

JD (d4812e) — 9/29/2010 @ 5:31 pm

JD, could that possibly be because I am a conservative, and they’re leftist trolls?

Just a theory…

ConservativeWanderer (4e2a1e) — 9/29/2010 @ 6:09 pm

nope, im honestly interested in Pattericos opinion. he did a whole lot of O’Keefe defending here.
Is Patterico going to pretend this didnt happen?

wheeler's cat (f28646) — 9/29/2010 @ 6:25 pm

Wheeler,

A good working definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Your “they did it too!” defense has already failed in this thread.

So, what does that say about you?

ConservativeWanderer (4e2a1e) — 9/29/2010 @ 6:27 pm

As my representative in the U.S. Congress, I really have to defend O’Keefe. He has done an outstanding job in Congress. He has consistently voted for killing all bad, brown people and is a reliable voice for everyone that promotes the Christianist belief that the grey aliens are a source of benevolence who really aren’t here to eat us, despite the cookbook.

I mean, seriously, Grayson is insane. He seriously needs help. Is this an issue? Just look at his advertisements. Not the Taliban Dan ones, the others.

Ag80 (93f9d9) — 9/29/2010 @ 7:43 pm

nishi – Why don’t you write about it on your blog. I think it’s funee the bimbo almost fell for it.

daleyrocks (940075) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:15 pm

Grayson is the kind of guy who gives the other 98% of flaming A-holes a bad name.

Mike Myers (3c9845) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:20 pm

Aaron: I Went over to check out your blog. Good post, but you should remove the registration requirement for people to comment. Registration is a pain and I always forget my password. Good luck — I’m sure its a lot more work than I was ever willing to commit to.

Sean P (a82c1f) — 9/29/2010 @ 9:30 pm

Still crickets Patterico?
This is your guy, isn’t it?

Conservative provocateur James O’Keefe crossed the line and became a full-on creep, today. His latest prank: Luring and attempting to trap a “hot blonde” CNN reporter on a “pleasure palace” boat filled with dildos and sex toys.

Thankfully, CNN intervened mere moments before the sexual ambush was to take place, otherwise James O’Keefe would have escalated from illegal phone taps to cornering and sexually humiliating (“seducing”? “pulling pranks on”?) women:

A conservative activist known for making undercover videos plotted to embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating “palace of pleasure” and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning document show.
James O’Keefe, best known for hitting the community organizing group ACORN with an undercover video sting, hoped to get CNN Investigative Correspondent Abbie Boudreau onto a boat filled with sexually explicit props and then record the session, those documents show.
The plan apparently was thwarted after Boudreau was warned minutes before it was supposed to happen.
Basically, “the right’s Bob Woodward” is the journalistic equivalent of a guy who shows his penis to you on the subway, then stands there chuckling under his breath.

wheeler's cat (f28646) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:21 am

Wheelerz/nishidiot approves of Grayson’s message. That is her man.

JD (b82a9e) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:30 am

Sean P.

My problem is i have a stalker. He pops up here, too, named Kman.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:34 am

Wheeler’s cat, please remind us: which office is O’Keefe running for?

Some chump (4c6c0c) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:36 am

wc,

Your link there does not appear to accurately reflect what I have read, but that’s Gawker for you.

When I am interested and/or have something to add, you’ll be the first to know.

Patterico (6dc05f) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:45 am

Hey, WC? Back to your comic books, okay? Pretty demanding person you are, given your, um, superficial knowledge of so many things.

Crickets indeed.

Eric Blair (c8876d) — 9/30/2010 @ 7:49 am

Unlike WC, Patterico has a job and a life. you shouldn’t expect him to come running every time you shout the equivalent of “Look over there!”

WC … that’s about right.

quasimodo (4af144) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:01 am

WC has used lots of names and made more claims, quasi. Since she didn’t really understand any of the physics she was mouthing—-like her knowledge of Sufism—I thought that “WC” was a good nickname for her.

Again, like the Sufi saying: a donkey carrying holy books is still a donkey. And given her quite reflexive politics, it is pretty funny.

Eric Blair (c8876d) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:04 am

wheeler

so you want us to condemn o’keefe for a prank… that we never got to see to fruition so we never heard what he was after.

Like okay imagine if you hear that on jackass they planned to dress a man up as a muslim and pretend he is a terrorist. you might be offended.

then you watch the actual skit and what happened was first, in order to dress him up like a terrorist they gave him a fake beard. and without his knowledge, the beard was made up of um, intimate hair.

Then they have him get into a cab and start making suggestions he was a terrorist. unknown to the guy dressing up as a terrorist, the actual prank is on him. The cab driver is in on it, and he starts beating the crud out of him, then pulls out a gun, forces him into the trunk. Then johnny knoxville and all of them run toward him pretending to try to clear things up and the guy shoots some blanks making the guy in the trunk think he is shooting his friends. then he drives the car, with the guy in the trunk, all over the place.

And then they stop and let him out explaining that he was the real victim of the prank.

Its probably funnier to watch, but there you go.

Anyway, he wanted to screw with a cnn anchor. unlike in your metaphor of a flasher, no crime was going to be committed. he just wanted to mess with her. and i am 100% okay with that.

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:05 am

Would it still be funny if the guy got the CNN reporter into his boat, started hitting on her, made a “forward movement” and she pepper sprayed him and broke his instep on camera? Or would it just give a person that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you watch some a-hole get their comeuppance?

But back to the topic, w-cat the guy you are talking about isn’t a politician who is at least theoretically supposed to be someone of character that you can trust to manage the business of governing. Your guy is just a a-hole so he can pull any kind of crap that he wants. Grayson on the other hand is supposed to have some minimal moral character since he is asking to be allowed to hold the reigns. If he is a blatant liar then why should anyone trust him? Ie. politicians DO lie but they aren’t SUPPOSED to. Con man a-holes are SUPPOSED to lie so they can do hilarious sorts of hi-jinks etc. Do you see the difference between the two?

EdWood (c2268a) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:44 am

well…Patterico threw out the slimeball tag.
im just curious to see if hes going to go balls to the wall again to defend O’Keefe, his own personal slimeball.

wheeler's cat (f28646) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:57 am

No, wheeler’s cat, you are trolling pure and simple. Because you have nothing substantive to say about the actual topic, Grayson. You know, the Democrat running for office.

Once a troll, always a troll.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/30/2010 @ 8:59 am

Wheeler/nishidiot approves of Grayson’s ad, and is lying about the host.

JD (00db08) — 9/30/2010 @ 9:20 am

btw, legal insurrection has a link to a hilarious fake ad giving Grayson a taste of his own medicine.

Basically quoting him ridiculously out of context so they can say “Alan Grayson… hates children… hates seniors… loves Satan.”

I think its the voice over that makes the whole thing work. very, very funny.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/09/alan-grayson-hates-children-hates.html

Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/30/2010 @ 10:44 am

So you’re saying Webster doesn’t think wives should submit to their husbands?

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:32 pm

Twenty bucks says he believes just that, by the way.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:33 pm

Okay, JPE, prove to me, with verifiable links, and not to lefty sites like DailyKOS or HuffPo, that Webster believes wives should submit to their husbands, and I’ll pay ya $20. Oh, and no Grayson-style edited videoclips, either.

Of course, you’ll have to provide me with verifiable address info for yourself, in order for me to get it to you…

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:37 pm

I’ll start emailing.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:39 pm

jpe sounds like he has a strong prejudice problem.

However, many Christians believe that spouses should be devoted to one another. Webster is quite clear that this devotion is not something a husband should force on his wife, but rather something a woman should choose.

It’s hilarious that this pro-choice stance is seen, by nuts, as anti-feminism.

Christianity does impose many obligations that are difficult. Webster told men to take their responsibilities seriously, and respect their wives in their choosing whether to do the same.

It’s classic individual freedom, and it’s no surprise that Grayson is disgusting enough to condemn it with extreme dishonesty.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:39 pm

No email, jpe, I have a strong spam filter. Post your proof here, in public, where all these staunch conservatives can help me analyze your “evidence.”

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:40 pm

Does Webster believe husbands should submit to their wives?

Probably. That’s what devotion is all about, imo.

He went out of his way to express something opposite of the oppression message democrats are trying to paint him with.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:41 pm

I don’t have a prejudice problem. I was raised by evangelicals and I know how they talk, their sense of humor, etc. There’s no question in the world he thinks wives should submit.

And, frankly, a True Christian wouldn’t be ashamed of admitting it.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:53 pm

@ Dustin: yeah, pretty much. He believes wives should submit but that husbands should be humble in accepting that submission, just as God is graceful in accepting ours.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:54 pm

But the terms of the wager were that you prove it, jpe.

Come on, let’s see your proof. Unless you don’t have any, in which case you owe me $20.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:54 pm

jpe launching a totally unsupported ad hominem attack on the opponent of the man that is the subject of this thread? Color me unsurprised.

Icy Texan (cc5e5e) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:54 pm

However, many Christians believe that spouses should be devoted to one another. Webster is quite clear that this devotion is not something a husband should force on his wife, but rather something a woman should choose.

What’s the result if she doesn’t choose that, but instead revolts against the biblically-required role of submissive wife?

Honest question.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:55 pm

jpe launching a totally unsupported ad hominem attack on the opponent of the man that is the subject of this thread? Color me unsurprised.

Ad hom? Complementarianism and submission are pretty orthodox positions among evangelicals. Unless you think it’s an immoral belief, I don’t see why you’d think imputing that position to Webster is an ad hom.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:57 pm

Unless you don’t have any, in which case you owe me $20.

No, the wager was whether he believes it. If I can prove it, you owe me. If you can prove he’s not a cro-mag, I owe you.

Otherwise, it’s a push.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:57 pm

So where’s your proof, jpe? Actual, verifiable, proof, not just your statements, jpe… that’s what I want.

Or I want my $20.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:58 pm

If you can prove he’s not a cro-mag, I owe you.

Easy. The cro-magnon subspecies of humans became extinct eons ago. Therefore, Webster cannot be one.

You owe me.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:59 pm

Just making that up, jpe?

You have a prejudice problem. Webster says women get to choose how devoted they will be. It’s not up to their men. You’re pretending that means some kind of unfairness.

In no way did Webster express any kind of sexism or imbalance. The truth is that the bible is very old, and has been interpreted in a sexist manner, but Webster has gone way out of his way to interpret it in a completely equal way.

It isn’t the kind of submission you’re pretending it is, if he’s saying women are to choose how devoted they want to be, free of pressure from their husbands or church. However, many Christians do believe that the level of devotion called for in a marriage is quite high.

‘There’s no question in the world he thinks wives should submit’, and you’re snarking about how he’s no true christian of shame? what in the hell are you talking about?

I’m sorry if you have some issues with your mommy and daddy, but pretending all ‘True Christians’ are like them is, indeed, prejudice.

Webster had a message of love and tolerance and was the victim of a nasty smear.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/30/2010 @ 5:59 pm

jpe, the full context of the misrepresented quote has been published. But you don’t care about the truth, because you support lies by Democrats.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:00 pm

SPQR, he also welches on bets.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:01 pm

Fantasic. Bill Gothard, the head of the institute to whom Webster was speaking, is a courtship proponent.

If I weren’t talking to a bunch of unitarians, you’d know what that means. Too bad it’s lost on you.

jpe (4a1f19) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:09 pm

In fact, I would bet $20 that jpe cannot prove Webster has a belief other than men and women should be equals in a marriage, and submit to one another, but of their own choice.

It’s pretty obvious that’s what he means. If he believes men should be above wives, his message that men should not guide them to submit makes no sense.

He’s mad at his daddy about his sense of humor, and lack of shame, or some strange issue like that, and pretending he can read someone’s mind on the basis of their membership in a massive and diverse religion. He quoted the bible in order to identify a section men should not focus on.

How nasty to take that message and turn it on its head. It’s like saying that a Moderate Muslim noting a fatwa of violent Jihad is not to be followed is actually the same as Osama Bin Laden.

It’s totally irrational. And jpe’s basis: his prejudice against people who he thinks share everything from a sense of humor to a lack of shame at oppressing women.

I am absolutely delighted to see this prejudice come out from under its rock. It’s wrong, and it’s pervasive. Many Christians are evangelical and believe women and men are equals. Many Christian women are devoted to their men without being beneath them. A Christian marriage can be very healthy, while also using the bible as a guide. It take some work, though, and I appreciate the sort of strong message from leaders like Webster who fight what I consider to be mistaken interpretations. They really are doing God’s work.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:09 pm

Really, jpe? And no institutes you’ve ever heard of bring in speakers with slightly different views, in order to broaden their horizons?

You’re forgetting the First Rule of Holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:11 pm

Jpe is following the EPWJ standard. And jpe revealed itself quite clearly with the cro-mag swipe @ Webster.

JD (9a2e5c) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:47 pm

And jpe revealed itself quite clearly with the cro-mag swipe @ Webster.

Of course. Why do ya think I smacked it down so hard and so quickly?

And it still owes me $20.

ConservativeWanderer (41d634) — 9/30/2010 @ 6:49 pm

Grayson is evil. He is the kind of crazy that kills people so he can cut them open and see how they work.He is a very dangerous man.

highpockets (6ae071) — 9/30/2010 @ 9:38 pm

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