Cornyn: NRSC Will Back O’Donnell Financially
A good move. Cornyn has finally recognized that people are very motivated by this race — and maybe that she has an outside chance of winning. I was upset at the NRSC last night for announcing that they weren’t going to give her a cent, and I wasn’t alone. Glad to see he is pursuing . . .
Unity.
Speaking of which:
I heard elitist Mark “You haven’t written a book and I have” Levin screaming on the radio today about how anyone who didn’t support Christine O’Donnell isn’t looking at the big picture. She cares about the Constitution and Castle didn’t, etc.
I’d ignore the windbag, except that I see variations of this argument echoed throughout the Internet today. So let’s bat down this bad argument now.
HEAR THIS, O’DONNELL SUPPORTERS:
WE WANT THE SAME THING YOU DO.
Conservatives have many different motivations for conservatism, of course. We share many views, but everyone has their primary motivating force. For someone like Allahpundit, it appears to be rooted in a desire to beat back the terrorists who attacked his city on 9/11. For me, it’s about the Constitution — which means getting a Supreme Court that will issue rulings that are consistent with Constitutional principles. That’s why I went ballistic when I heard Harriet Miers announced as a Supreme Court candidate — and ran myself ragged fighting that nomination. Others have their own motivations for conservatism.
But don’t tell me I don’t have my eye on the big picture, Mr. Ruling Class Levin. Don’t you get it? The big picture is what this is all about.
I want as many votes as possible in the U.S. Senate so that if, God help us, Antonin Scalia retires, we can beat back a nominee who will issue Stephen Reinhardt style rulings. I want to have every vote possible to defeat bills like ObamaCare, which represents a huge creeping intrusion of the federal government into our private lives — undermining the balance set by the Constitution.
I thought the best way to achieve these goals was to vote for Castle. You guys thought different. I have said all along that I can respect your point of view. Respect ours, and respect our motivations.
P.S. Another factor in my opposition to O’Donnell is my belief that she is slippery and dishonest. I listened to that radio interview where she tried to make it sound like she tied in two counties — after having initially claimed she won two counties — when in fact she won ZERO counties. I thought to myself: this woman is a weasel.
I am not going to pretend otherwise, and I don’t care if it’s “helpful” or not. My first duties are to the truth and to the Constitution. I didn’t criticize Mark Levin for supporting Christine O’Donnell. I criticized him for lying about Paul Mirengoff. My distaste for Christine O’Donnell lies in my sense that she has no greater commitment to the truth than Mark Levin.
Saying that may not be “helpful” — but if you think I’m going to say only things that are “helpful” instead of what I believe, then you don’t know me. And if that bothers you, this may not be the site for you.
That said, I am still supporting Christine O’Donnell. She’s a weasel, but she’s our weasel. And we need every vote we can get.
I hate it when he sits on a fence/…
EPWJ (17f94c) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:04 pmShe’s a weasel, but she’s our weasel
Absolutely!
AD - RtR/OS! (38b7d0) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:11 pmAnd, with Charley Rangel’s re-nomination, the Dems have very little room to complain about our nominees.
As long as nobody expects me to pretend I respect her. I don’t pretend.
Patterico (9d23bd) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:15 pmIf we are not ourselves weasels, then someone cannot be our weasel. She can be a weasel that you support for utilitarian purposes, but don’t claim her as your own.
Leviticus (30ac20) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:20 pmI think this race will prove to be much more difficult than the Dems than they imagined 36 hours ago.
No question they have a very good candidate for the state. The guy is a the County Executive of New Castle County, which has 2/3 of the population of Delaware in it. This was also Castle turf, so O’Donnell’s biggest hurdle will be overcoming the fact that Castle’s base of support can easily gravitate to the name they know, rather than her.
But, this is a small market in terms of the money it takes to run a Senate campaign. I heard her on Hannity say she thinks they need to raise $1 million for the 6 week campaign. Drudge has up a headline saying she has raised $500,000 in 24 hours. I suspect she’ll probably raise $2 million.
Which means the Dems won’t be able to take a Coons victory for granted, and will have to put money into the state — which is probably something they wouldn’t have done if Castle had won the nomination and been a prohibitive favorite to win in Nov.
The overall numbers of the Delaware electorate’s attitudes about the economy and role the federal government aren’t much different than the nation as a whole. So, its entirely possible that the base of support that Coons is counting on might not show up on election day. The motivation of the GOP/Tea Party base, on the other hand, is pretty much written in stone.
I think she’s got a great shot to win.
shipwreckedcrew (fe3b5b) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:20 pmI’m not going to associate myself with Rangel any which way.
Leviticus (30ac20) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:21 pmlittle danger of that, Pat
Greatist country in the history of the earth – and we have to vote for weasels
EPWJ (17f94c) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:23 pmAnd the difference between a “weasel”, and someone with NPD is?
AD - RtR/OS! (38b7d0) — 9/15/2010 @ 6:38 pmName recognition might have been a problem a while ago, but both establishment Republicans and Democrat critics have pretty well taken care of that issue.
Huey (efe02b) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:11 pm___________________________________
P.S. Another factor in my opposition to O’Donnell is my belief that she is slippery and dishonest.
If she’s like a rightwing version of Hillary Clinton — and if O’Donnell played the ambulance-chasing-trial-lawyer game several years ago by suing a previous employer for discrimination, how sincerely conservative is she? — then, yep, I find myself almost as wary of her as I am of Bill’s wife.
I obviously find Hillary detestable because both her politics and integrity stink. But if O’Donnell is half as bad, that still doesn’t give me too much confidence.
I’m irked mainly for tactical reasons, because rightwingism ain’t worth a damn if it’s paired with naivete on the part of its adherents. IOW, is Delaware a staunchly pro-Republican, pro-conservative state? Oh, it isn’t?!
Can any politician in Delaware, just as long as he or she has a “R” next to his or her name, feel totally confident about winning in a general election? Oh, maybe not?
I’m not a big fan of squishes or RINOs, but I have to remember that the real world is full of a great variety of people. And more than a fair percentage of them are squishes, or centrists, or, worse of all, flat-out closet cases (ie, closeted liberals).
Mark (3e3a7c) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:13 pmFWIW, I think most are missing the main point of this …. forcing the Republican Party back to the right.
The extra O’Donnell vote is (will be) irrelevant for 2010 and 2012. This “marginal analysis” concept being presented for Vote Castle vs O’Donnell seems misplaced given POTUS is there and what matters is (1) get one of the houses and (2) get a filibuster potential in the Senate.
In 2012, 24 Incumbent Senate Dems are running — that is where Conservatives can do major damage and I think MUCH MORE thought needs to be put in to who runs..
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:14 pmAlso, wow, a weasel as a politician! Shocked.
If being a Weasel was a reason not to like people about 1,000,000 lawyers would be ostracised by society.
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:15 pmI am shocked that there are only 1MM lawyers, there seems to be that many just working on Capitol Hill.
AD - RtR/OS! (38b7d0) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:25 pmAD
> And, with Charley Rangel’s re-nomination, the Dems have very little room to complain about our nominees.
How naïve of you. You seem to think the democrats are capable of shame.
Patterico
> As long as nobody expects me to pretend I respect her.
I DEMAND you pretend you don’t respect her! DEMAND I tell you.
[removing tongue from cheek]
I will note that she made like $500,000 in the last 24 hours. I don’t think castle could have. But I think one person’s analysis is best of all and I really wish I remember who said this so I could give proper credit. The republicans didn’t want someone as liberal as castle. I mean he voted against the surge and partnered with George Soros (unless I am misinformed). So he was pretty far out there. So they voted for an imperfect but more conservative one. And if the republican establishment don’t want things like that to happen in the future, they have to nominate conservatives that the base will swallow, and won’t have her issues.
So if this is a debacle, it’s the leadership that bears the blame.
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:27 pmAnd she’s not our only weasel. There’s
Kevin (298030) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:28 pmMurkowski,Spector,Jeffords, Graham, Snowe …I think calling her a weasel contradicts your support. That is just the same sick name calling. I am really disappointed in you and Levin for this low life name calling of people on your own side. Patterico, grow up — just like you are asking others to do the same.
mbabbitt (424211) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:29 pmSorry, I agree with Levin on this one. Not about ODonnell specifically because I really don’t know much about her. But I do know the McCains, Snowes, Collinses and Grahams of the Party and I am sick to death of the thought of holding my nose again and pulling a lever.
The main problem with so many of the so-called “RINO’s” is that they seem to lack any core convictions. It’s more about being the spoiler so that they are courted by the other side, called for TV shows and get their name in print. It’s about their need for attention, power and status. Anyone with an R after their name, who has any core beliefs, would not vote for some of the Marxist policies of this administration. I say, majority or not, it’s time to clean house and find new candidates who actually care about doing what’s right for the country and not what’s right for their bottom line.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:32 pmSo Republicans are all beyond criticism?
Patterico (315504) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:32 pmThe dream: House +90; Senate: +13. All we have to do is sweep the tossups and most of the Dem-leaners. In a wave election like 1994 or 2006-8 that’s entirely possible.
Kevin (298030) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:32 pm#13, Don’t get me going on lawyers…. but since you ask ….. The biggest perverters of the law — lawyers. The folks most enriched by the perversion of the law — lawyers.
Yuck.
And worse yet they enable the accumulation of filth in this country under the guise of defending folks “rights.”
What Pornographers are to the coarsening of male / female relations — lawyers are to the coarsening of human relations in this country.
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:33 pmNo, it’s not really the same as Levin’s name calling. Saying that someone who weaseled around in some interviews and therefore is a weasel is not the same as calling a fact correcter an idiot jackass moron.
It does undermine his support to some extent, obviously. That’s a shame, but that’s also the truth. His support is a lot different than it would be if O’Donnell was a different sort of candidate. That’s part of the reason this post primary has heated up so much. A lot of people are way too upset about people who didn’t support O’Donnell. There was a great case against Castle, and there was a great case against O’Donnell.
That’s just reality. If you want people to pretend to 100% love leaders they know they don’t trust, you should ask yourself why. Coons is a powerful reason to take our weasel, IMO. He’s a marxist who will continue the constitution shredding of his mentor, Harry Reid. He couldn’t be much worse.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:34 pmNo, Republican’s are not beyond criticism.
It sure does get old hearing moderates rail at everything left and right and then play dumb when they get criticised for doing the same thing.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:39 pmdaley asked an interesting question in another thread. Who actually said that the NRSC would not be supporting her originally?
Harry Reid has a pet coon. He is a racist.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:44 pmWhippet, if you’re assuming everyone who is only just now coming on board O’Donnell’s bandwagon is a moderate, that’s a huge mistake.
I think this is one of the core problems right now. These two or three factions don’t really understand eachother. A lot of very conservative people would have given their right arm for a Joe Miller candidate to have a shot at this Senate seat, but didn’t see that in O’Donnell. These people are being attacked and attacked and attacked on this ground that they support RINOs and are too squishy.
It’s not helping. Some folks didn’t trust her ass. No one sane believed Castle was a good conservative either. It’s time to respect the motives of the people who are only just now coming on board the O’Donnell bandwagon.
Levin is a freak.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:44 pmPat, this is your blog and you can say what you want, but don’t pretend you are going to be supportive. In the spaces of the internet, every little carping phrase echos forever. You have done damage to other human beings and are continuing to do so for what? Your anger is doing damage to yourself. Again, for what?
emrys (52b053) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:48 pmSo Republicans are all beyond criticism?
No.
ColonelHaiku (1546ed) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:51 pmWTF is “emrys” jabbering about?
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:51 pmExcept we didn’t know much of this, till last week,
ian cormac (6709ab) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:52 pmspecially in the last three days. Seeing as she ran in 2006 and 2008, the GOP doesn’t seem to have a strong bench there, since Pete Dupont left the Governor’s mansion in the 80s
No, Levin knows that the Castles, McCains, Snowes and Grahams are never going to lead us out of the mess Obama has gotten us in. They are part of the very same problem. When do we say enough is enough? The only way out of this Marxist experiment this country has been on for decades is to vote out those who perpetuate it…even if they have an R after their name. And the nastier the parties become the fewer really qualified candidates either party will have. The Democrats are proof of that.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:53 pm“The Great One” not a
ColonelHaiku (1546ed) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:56 pmwindbag but think he could be
tad more judicious
Surely you don’t mean scrutinizing Senate candidates, do you?
You sound like Cindy Sheehan or something. She ran for Senate repeatedly. She knew what she was getting into. When I went to her donation page she said the fight is just starting. That’s right. She hasn’t seen the worst of it, and that’s why GOP primaries have to vet candidates too.
Ian just scored a big point by noting that if something better was in Delaware, it sure had plenty of chances to emerge.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:57 pmI’m so relieved that Castle wasn’t “slippery and dishonest”.
http://delawareliberal.blogspot.com/2006/09/who-is-castle-really-working-for-part_21.html
uh, nevermind
Seriously, conservatives stayed home in 2006 and 2008, when the only choices were to vote for establishment fat cats and RINOS. But McCain, et al, kneweth not what they created, and Obama finished the job. He and others before him sowed the wind, and now they will reap the wirlwind.
Born Free (9b46a7) — 9/15/2010 @ 7:57 pmShow of hands, who is having so much fun listening to people we don’t know drop by to tell us how we should be thinking?
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:00 pmNRSC Will Back O’Donnell Financially
Good. Now Ms. O’Donnell can catch up on her back rent.
The Base has spoken — now the Base must be punished.
There, got the Sore-Loserman out of my system.
furious (71af32) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:01 pmDustin,
“You sound like Cindy Sheehan or something.”
You have made my point. Can’t stand the disagreement so you resort to name calling..and Levin is the freak?
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:01 pmColonel Haiku,
“The Great One” not a
windbag but think he could be
tad more judicious”
I used to feel the same way you do. No longer. All bets are off. We’re at a fork in the road and another wrong turn and there will be no turning back.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:04 pm“Show of hands, who is having so much fun listening to people we don’t know drop by to tell us how we should be thinking?”
Comment by JD — 9/15/2010 @ 8:00 pm
Kind of like the NRSC, huh?
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:07 pmTHE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES !
Hairy Reid has a pet Coon.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:08 pmJD, I hear ya.
The ones who simply express their opinion are alright. The ones who express their opinion by bashing RINO politicians are alright too (they’re politicians, they deserve it). But the ones who start bashing people who’ve been on this site for half a decade or longer and are nowhere near RINOs, in personal terms and without bothering to really read the other person’s argument? Yeah, it’s getting real old, real quick.
Sean P (780cdf) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:09 pmBorn Free, a lot of disturbing crap about Castle has emerged. Some of it is probably true, and a lot of it seems to be nasty lies.
I thought the charges about his tariff suspensions were very interesting and as far as I could tell, had some merit.
But this primary is over, isn’t it?
O’Donnell is our candidate, and she has a few flaws. The fact that dishonest Senators can enrich themselves, combined with the fact O’Donnell was a weasel in an interview, does not work out well in my head as an argument for her. She’s better than their guy, Coons, but she’s got flaws.
I don’t recall many people here saying that Castle was their idea of a great Senator. Do you?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:09 pm“…don’t pretend you are going to be supportive. In the spaces of the internet, every little carping phrase echos forever. You have done damage to other human beings and are continuing to do so for what? Your anger is doing damage to yourself.”
In what skewed world does expressing concerns about a candidate’s character yet still supporting them for them because one is keeping the bigger picture in mind translate to faking it?
Its an honest assessment, utilizing available facts and critical thought. If that’s going to cause R’s to be spanked, then we’re more pathetic that I originally thought.
Patterico hasn’t damaged anyone. Rather O’Donnell damaged herself by making less less than prudent decisions. Or are we not allowed to mention that?
I support O’Donnell because I’m keeping the bigger picture in mind but I retain the right to question why she was the best the grass roots can offer. There’s a bigger problem afoot.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:11 pmI’m not Patterico. I don’t give a flying crap about your unity, aside from a recent effort on the blog for people like me to be nice to people like you. I’m just trying to be a good guest.
What was your point? Are you on a mission to prove something bad about us O’donnell supporters? Come on and make your point, please. How did I make your point by saying that a sobbing person sounded like Cindy Sheehan? Levin is still a total freak.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:13 pmDana, the reason that O’Donnell was the candidate is that so many conservatives were too busy snarking at McCain and shouting RINO instead of doing the work of running for office at the grassroots level.
Why, I can think of lots of people who find fault with all kinds of candidates…who ought to run themselves for office. And who knows? They might be great.
Eric Blair (58b0cf) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:14 pmThe NRSC is a bunch of idiots, thank you very much.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:17 pmLike I said a weak bench, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_C._Ting
ian cormac (6709ab) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:21 pmWhat was your point? Are you on a mission to prove something bad about us O’donnell supporters? Come on and make your point, please. How did I make your point by saying that a sobbing person sounded like Cindy Sheehan? Levin is still a total freak.
Comment by Dustin — 9/15/2010 @ 8:13 pm
My point is I’m tired of those who call out others for saying something over the top and then proceed to say things over the top like, say “a sobbing person sounded like Cindy Sheehan” or “Levin is a freak.”
Others opinions are valid even if they are in disagreement with your own. That is, if you want to have an adult healthy debate. Your choice of words proves you feel otherwise.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:21 pmEric Blair – The conservative people that I would like to see run, would never dream of running. The other side does not have that problem.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:22 pmNothing I said was over the top, Whippet.
Your point is that you are tired of rhetoric you don’t agree with. There is no hypocrisy, as I showed with a much better argument than “I’m tired of it”.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:23 pmOh, and Dustin, from what I have read, and seen, I would have voted for O’Donnell had I lived in Delaware.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:24 pmIsn’t that the truth, JD. And you are right: this gives many of the current Dems a real advantage.
Good people in general—D or R—don’t want much to do with politics, and I can’t blame them.
PJ O’Rourke used to say that Congress had a goal: the people who were still awake got to spend the tax money.
Oh well.
Eric Blair (58b0cf) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:25 pmNothing I said was over the top, Whippet.
Your point is that you are tired of rhetoric you don’t agree with. There is no hypocrisy, as I showed with a much better argument than “I’m tired of it”.
Comment by Dustin — 9/15/2010 @ 8:23 pm
Yeah, Levin is a Freak is quite the argument.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:27 pmThis is off topic, but Google Chrome just flagged this website as unsafe and tried to block it.
“The website at patterico.com contains elements from the site rpc.blogrolling.com, which appears to host malware – software that can hurt your computer or otherwise operate without your consent. Just visiting a site that contains malware can infect your computer.”
Bellerophon (c1c24e) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:27 pmHmm.
See, I called O’Donnell a weasel because of her lies.
Levin called me a jackass because I corrected him on his lies.
Your problem is the name-calling. Mine is the lying.
Patterico (c218bd) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:30 pmSorry, a Levin supporter is here to lecture us on how to have an adult healthy debate?
Sorry, that’s just difficult to swallow.
Whippet should do a better job of reading. She’s (BTW, I apologize if you are male… the name implies female). there is a huge difference between Levin’s nastiness towards a fact correction, which makes him a freak, and several people noting ethical issues with the word ‘weasel’. One’s an argument, the other is insane.
Not necessarily. I might think they are terrible opinions, worthy of being laughed at or mocked. Levin, for example, is a ruling class jerk who thinks he doesn’t have to tell the truth because he published a book. He’s a freak.
Someone crying about a senate candidate being scrutinized reminds me of Cindy Sheehan, though really, it just reminds me of any pathetic crier and I like to make fun of Cindy Sheehan gratuitously.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:31 pmPatterico, you just damaged another human being. Again.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:32 pm“We’re at a fork in the road and another wrong turn and there will be no turning back.”
Thank you, Imam Whippet Rauf
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:32 pmThat wasn’t my argument. You say you want an adult and healthy argument, but you have ignored the argument parts and skipped to the conclusions you don’t agree with.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:32 pmOne more try! Who is the enemy? Who do you wish to defeat? Or are you collectively so angry that Castle lost that you are willing to help the Left defeat his opponent out of spite? If O’Donnell is to win, she needs all the help she can get. To paraphrase the words of some actor in an old movie, “Choose wisely”.
emrys (52b053) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:33 pmI want her to win. But I think she is a weasel. I say what I think, and that’s what I think.
I don’t pretend. Pretending is what you want me to do. You want me to pretend I think she’s an honorable person.
If you want to read a blog where the blogger is a pretender, this is not the blog you should be reading.
Patterico (c218bd) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:34 pm“Seriously, conservatives stayed home in 2006 and 2008”
Born Free – RLY? You look at the turnout numbers in 2008?
I don’t think you’ve gotten anything right on a thread today.
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:36 pmDustin,
Interesting, you are the first to associate Whippet with a female. I have no idea why that is but you are correct.
I didn’t say I was a Levin supporter, though on the issue of Rino’s and the disagreement on whether or not we should support them to gain a majority, I agree with him.
As for disagreeing with those within our own party it’s an issue Republicans/Conservatives will always deal with. It’s part of who we are and why we believe the way we do. We want honesty and trust, unlike the Democrats who routinely re-elect those who are even under current indictment. So we question. I have no problem with that.
But to call someone a freak, because you disagree with them, or to call someone Cindy Sheehan, which, by the way would be deemed by many to be one of the lowest slurs possible, does not make you appear to be the least bit interested in allowing for any difference of opinion. And doesn’t make you any different than those you criticise for doing the same thing.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:43 pmI know you read comment #24, because you started crying about me calling Levin names. I’m not really above name-calling, but I think most folks realize I’m doing so ironically with Levin, mocking his childishness.
Anyway, I tried to explain the POV of many conservatives who are only now coming on board with CO pragmatically. Many of them are conservative. I don’t know what else this quote was in reply to, but I guess it doesn’t matter. Whippet again makes it very unclear what her point is. We know a lot of Republicans would have voted for her because she won the nomination. So?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:45 pmOne more try! Who is the enemy? Who do you wish to defeat? Or are you collectively so angry that Castle lost that you are willing to help the Left defeat his opponent out of spite?
Are you talking to me?
Do you realize I am saying I want her to win?
Do you realize I am pissed off that the NRSC announced last night they wouldn’t fund her?
One more try: that does not mean I am going to pretend I think she is honorable when I think she is not.
I’m just establishing that right now, at the same time that I am declaring my support, so that everyone will understand that my support is honest support. In other words, my allegiance to a party or a candidate never trumps the truth. Ever.
Since we have a few people here who don’t know me, I thought it best to make that clear. If that bothers you, that means you want a blogger who pretends to believe things he does not believe — or keeps silent about his true beliefs for the sake of his party or candidate.
AGAIN: if that’s the kind of blogger you want to read, that does not describe me.
Fairly warned be thee, say I.
Patterico (c218bd) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:47 pm“Thank you, Imam Whippet Rauf”
Comment by daleyrocks — 9/15/2010 @ 8:32 pm
Real tolerant bunch here…
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:47 pmIt’s a tough call. On the one hand, the “Brand R” folks want to make sure that every slot is filled with Republicans. And there is some sense to that, given bizarre legislation and Supreme Court nominations.
On the other hand, the “Purity Patrol” wants to eliminate folks who call themselves Republicans and then vote for things that some might think of as leftward leaning. There is some sense there, since the real issue—in my opinion—isn’t D versus R, but statist versus nonstatist.
Meanwhile, the Democrats, who do tend to vote monolithically, are hoping this continues.
I don’t have an answer. But I do think that there is difference between the way that Levin deals with dissent and the way that Patterico does. Right?
Eric Blair (58b0cf) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:48 pmAnd daley, I do think a lot of conservatives did stay home instead of vote for McCain. And it got us….
Which takes me back to the schism we are observing.
Eric Blair (58b0cf) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:48 pmemrys – hyperbole much? Did you bother to do anything other than to make blanket assumptions about everyone’s opinions before you started typing?
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:49 pmI suppose if I was Ms. O’Donnell I wouldn’t have been particularly pleased by Patterico’s bottom line, but I thought it was touching.
The reality is people are often, if not most of the time, seeing their vote as between “the lesser of two evils”. There are many things worse than a weasel.
How many good candidates have no stomach for putting their families through hell? I think the attack on Palin’s family, after Obama’s making public the Ryan divorce papers, has given reason for decent people to be concerned about jumping into the fray.
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:50 pmOthers opinions are valid even if they are in disagreement with your own. That is, if you want to have an adult healthy debate.
How strange Levin apparently does not buy this. I think that was what was so surprising about his reaction to Patterico.
I had mistakenly assumed he was a serious person; seriousness entailing thoughtful consideration of facts presented followed by rational discourse. At the least a willingness to consider the facts and then discuss, rebut, or conclude one’s position must be reconsidered in light of said facts.
That he resorted to childish name calling and divisive behavior revealed a lot – mostly that he had no interest in a healthy debate and facts don’t matter. Ironically, its similar to how some here believe that we should not speak negatively about O’Donnell but just passively support the R’s. Because we might damage someone else.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:50 pmO’Donnell is about as bad of a candidate as I can think of. Except for Reid’s pet Coon.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:51 pmMD in Philly, well said.
I was scrambling to talk to happyfeet yesterday and remarked how I appreciate that he just gives it to me straight. He doesn’t want to vote for X. He is sick of Y. He’s not pretending up something.
It’s actually endearing, because he’s being open. It’s also really frustrating when people turn off their social sensibility filter, but I appreciate some level of frankness.
BTW, MD, did you ever figure out a good way to defeat troublesome Coons?
In your attic?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:55 pmSooth say I, good man, I am fairly warned. Fairer speaks no man, indeed.
emrys (52b053) — 9/15/2010 @ 8:55 pmI don’t know maybe actually examine his view and policies, I kmow it’s a crazy thought, the circular
ian cormac (6709ab) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:01 pmfiring squad is much more satisfying, I guess, One might want to look at how Biden’s rival didin a good GOP year like 2002, then again neither multiple plagiarism, or a history of malaproprism, logorehea, or plain ignorance seem to have made
an impression
“I know you read comment #24, because you started crying about me calling Levin names. I’m not really above name-calling, but I think most folks realize I’m doing so ironically with Levin, mocking his childishness”
Pot meet kettle.
So you like name calling do you? Reminds me of the Dems and all their Racist comments about anyone criticising Obama. Deflecting from the real issues. very adult of you.
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:02 pmYou can count on castle as much as you can count on spector and jeffords. How did that work out for you?
Maybe you can count on castle as much as you can count on collins, snowe, mccain and graham. How does that work out?
Let’s nominate people who at least give a reasonable choice between dems and repubs, rather than someone who is the same. Who would you vote for a dem or a dem?
The system won’t change as long as you elect traitors because they have a chance at winning.
Look how many tea party candidates who were not given a chance of winning the primary have won. Are we supposed to trust the news media?
Jim (844377) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:03 pmTo JD @67 – I have been reading Patterico’s blog pretty much since he started. I have generally admired and approved his strong defense of truth and his attacks on the lack of same in the regional “fish wraps”. I disagree with the recent attacks on the winning candidate in Delaware. I have stated my case. I will say no more, for to do so is to merely provide additional fodder to the true enemy and make me guilty of that which I impugn to others (and to answer your question, of all the -boles, I like hyper the best).
emrys (52b053) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:06 pmHey, uh. We get it. You don’t like name callers except for Levin. You can stop judging everyone who fails your test now. Let the record reflect that Whippet preemptively objects to every joke and name call.
I have tried to explain, several times, how there are differences between reasonable use of terms you call name calling, and unreasonable. You reject this, obviously, but you never explain why, except that you’re tired. That’s cool. I really don’t think anyone gives a crap. Your adult argument is an utter failure, but worse, it’s getting really boring.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:07 pmI don’t want her in the Senate. I don’t want more of these types of candidates. She’s a knowledgeless weasel.
Now, I have solid RINO credentials – I support gay marriage and higher taxes (only if in conjunction with lower spending, though). I’m no longer a fan of Palin. So maybe that means I’m not the guy many of you will care about.
But I voted for McClintock in the California recall election, because I thought at the time he was most competent, and I value competence over most other things in executives. In legislators, there’s more to be said for ideology over competence – but this type of human shouldn’t be a US Senator. Haven’t we had enough corrupt, miserable people with that job?
I’m not *mad* Castle lost. I’m just not excited about having O’Donnell as a US Senator. If I lived in Delaware, I would not vote for her.
Again, I understand the contrary view, the view that we’re voting for votes for and against certain party-teams and what they stand for. But when you end up with people like O’Donnell, you end up with more legislation that’s simply unread and not understood. That’s already a serious problem.
Kick me off the team if unity’s required for membership. C’est la mort.
–JRM
JRM (cd0a37) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:08 pm“And daley, I do think a lot of conservatives did stay home instead of vote for McCain.”
Eric – You had the highest voter turnout in 40 years in 2008. Although McCain got 4 million fewer votes than Bush in 2004, a lot of that was crossover Republican votes for Obama. Conservatives should not have been stupid enough to stay home. I don’t buy it. Just as I don’t buy the argument that a Dem is better than a RINO.
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:13 pmIt looks like everyone who went up against Biden or Carper, good year and bad, lost rather brutally, and they were all mostly Castle’s people, like so.
ian cormac (6709ab) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:14 pmhttp://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=29
JRM makes a really good argument.
I think we need every Senate vote we can get, because the stakes with appointments and legislation will be great (whether or not we have a majority, each and every seat makes an impact). O’Donnell may fall short of a lot of the ideal qualities in a Senator, and it is difficult to argue on the notion of ‘she’ll follow the party most of the time’ instead of what I really want, which is a champion of integrity who knows and loves responsibility.
But JRM has considered this idea already.
What strategies exist to win Delaware voters with this impression of O’Donnell? I suspect blaming Castle for the hard primary will not help.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:19 pmI do not recall the host attacking O’Donnell. Do you?
JRM – You think she is worse than Hairy Reid’s pet Coon marxist? She is a horrible candidate, whose craptacular crapitude is exceeded only by her current opponent.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:37 pmSince I see you’re not a troll, let’s talk.
Do you disagree with me on the facts? I.e. you think she’s not a weasel? She is honest?
Or do you disagree with me on the presentation? I.e. ok, maybe she’s a weasel, but why say it out loud and give ammo to the other side?
Or is there a third point of view I’m missing?
Serious question. Non-snarky.
Patterico (c218bd) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:39 pm“…Who actually said that the NRSC would not be supporting her originally…”
It was attributed to an anonymous staffer.
And, AW, if you have ever read any of my criticisms of the Left, you would know that I have repeatedly said:
AD - RtR/OS! (38b7d0) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:41 pmTo be a Leftist means never having to say you’re sorry (with no apologies to Erich Segal)!
AD – That now seems like pretty sloppy reporting, no?
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:44 pmJD,
Odonell maybe a liar but she did try and tak on Biden, in 2008, she fought the good fight. so she’s embarassed about how she did, and lied about it.
Its a rather minor lie, I mean all lies are bad, but in the end, she ran against a liberal titan and did get a third of the vote as a conservative candidate against an entrenched incumbent who also had a years free publicity running for VP.
Okay she lied, Biden lied about 7 or 8 times during the debate on matters of national importance, Odonnell lied about two counties votes
Biden has lied about national recovery, security, the border and the taxation of America – Odonell lied about a vote in 2 counties
Castle lost and it will be interesting to see polls released that he was never in the lead – I find it curious that Rove was intervening which could – could – indicate that Castle – long before the tea party intervened – was trailing anyway hence the barrage of attacks and expensive background research – all on an opponent with no funding
He lost big, it was a major thumping epecially of someone that didnt have an event or scandal – just based upon his record
Odonnell can pin Coons on the ropes on this taxation thing – The more Democrats talk about tax cuts the more Americans start saving and hording cash
EricPWJohnson (17f94c) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:45 pm” have tried to explain, several times, how there are differences between reasonable use of terms you call name calling, and unreasonable. You reject this, obviously, but you never explain why, except that you’re tired. That’s cool. I really don’t think anyone gives a crap. Your adult argument is an utter failure, but worse, it’s getting really boring.”
Yes, you are getting very very boring. I will no longer have a discussion with someone who decides what is and is not acceptable name calling, in other words your name calling is acceptable, everyone elses is not. Obviously, you are so above everyone else that what is right or wrong is for you, and only you to decide. And of course, you are always right…
You could re-read some of my comments and yours but you will never see the conclusions that you drew as soon as Levin’s name was mentioned. Of course not, oh wise one…I bow to your wisdom and intelligence.
You could try working on your reading comprehension but it’s obviously more important to attempt to distort what others are saying so you can start that name calling that is so important to you….what a brilliant one you are.
You explained something? Is that what that was? LOL!
Whippet (8123de) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:46 pmIt was an anonymous source, which I don’t doubt because of the folks who staff the NRSC, their track record has been abysmal, if that was their intent they had to retract rather quickly, for fear of a contributor revolt
ian cormac (6709ab) — 9/15/2010 @ 9:50 pmian – I wonder if someone planted that, or advanced their own personal position as that of the NRSC.
JD (8ded14) — 9/15/2010 @ 10:03 pmI read them and you’re wrong.
The rest of your comment is just another conclusory repetition. I explained my POV, you don’t buy my explanation. It’s not possible to go further, but who cares about this? It’s just silly to quote every comment you think crosses the line to moan about it.
I didn’t distort anything you said. All I did was ask you what your argument or point actually was, or what you take exception to in my reasoning about Levin or whatever else you’re upset about. How can I be distorting you?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/15/2010 @ 10:19 pmIt was an anonymous source, which I don’t doubt because of the folks who staff the NRSC, their track record has been abysmal …
Excuse me?! You don’t doubt a supposed “anonymous source” from Talking Points Memo?! Would you like to by a really neat bridge over the East River?
The original “quote” seemed so gratuitously and pointlessly hostile to a Republican candidate by the NRSC that I immediately had my doubts. Then I found out who “reported” it.
Murgatroyd (fd5fcd) — 9/15/2010 @ 10:35 pm“I want as many votes as possible in the U.S. Senate so that if, God help us, Antonin Scalia retires, we can beat back a nominee who will issue Stephen Reinhardt style rulings. I want to have every vote possible to defeat bills like ObamaCare, which represents a huge creeping intrusion of the federal government into our private lives — undermining the balance set by the Constitution.”
Hey Einstein… the idiot voted for Cap and Trade and is against repeal of Obamacare. He is basically a liberal in RINO clothing. You can’t count on him to vote for ANY Conservative ideals. Good riddance.
BigDogJunction (22e8b8) — 9/16/2010 @ 12:01 amHey Einstein:
He voted against ObamaCare.
He thinks we can’t REPEAL ObamaCare while Obama is President.
I will bet you $1000 he is right. Care to put your money where your mouth is?
Patterico (315504) — 9/16/2010 @ 12:15 amIf the NRSC didn’t intend for that message to come about on O’Donnell, they could have easily shut down that claim within minutes. They never claimed it was a hoax or unauthorized claim.
I noticed Cornyn wouldn’t make any kind of statement about this race until it was over, and thought he must have finally learned his lesson. And I sure hope he has, and this was some ‘helpful’ intern or dirty trick democrat’s fault the NRSC seemed to interrupt a victory speech with an anvil.
But then I have to wonder why they don’t point this out.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 2:10 amO’Donnell is an dishonest idiot, and her initial supporters are not that bright either (Mark Levin) and/or weasels of the weaselest kind (Sarah Palin who is now calling for “unity” after starting the whole turmoil – how typical) As someone who thinks the Republican Party is and must remain a big tent, I pray that she loses so that a message is sent to all fringe elements (and the Tea-Baggers are fringe, sorry to break it to you pals) that try to hijacks primaries and elections.
Triumph (0692b1) — 9/16/2010 @ 2:21 amany more unity and this blog maybe the first to see the little white UN vehicles full of sunburned danes in baby blue helmets
EPWJ (17f94c) — 9/16/2010 @ 2:27 amIt’s really amusing how swayed people are by the “maximum donation.” UNITY!
imdw (8a8ced) — 9/16/2010 @ 4:26 amMy reservations about O’Donnell closely matched yours, but that was over Tuesday. I backed Castle and the sure thing, O’Donnell and the long shot won. It’s OVER. Let the Democrats spend their money, bandwidth, and time attacking our nominee, I will not help them. Mike Castle: time to show some class and endorse – don’t end your long and honorable career of public service as a sore loser, please!
Adjoran (ec6a4b) — 9/16/2010 @ 5:29 am“Mike Castle: time to show some class and endorse”
I suspect the failure to endorse is at least related to the lack of class exhibited by the O’Donnell campaign. And it is a good thing that sort of thing doesn’t get endorsed.
imdw (ce700c) — 9/16/2010 @ 6:28 amHey, nothing like elevating the discourse by calling a candidate who has just won a campaign a “weasel.” I don’t know Christine O’Donnell. I don’t know if you do. But, by essentially calling someone who I doubt you know personally a liar and a weasel seems… well weasel-ly. You sound like Gore blaming the people and the other candidate for casting their votes in opposition to your “elevated” opinion. Pretty classless.
YouCan'tBeSerious (42c406) — 9/16/2010 @ 7:34 amDon’t these people ever get tired?
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 7:55 am@Patterico – For what it is worth – in answer to your question above: I disagree with your presentation. Frankly, I know little about Ms. O’Donnell other than that she is now the candidate from Delaware. For reasons that have been ably discussed by others here, I believe that it serves the interests of conservatives to now support her. IMO, we should now concentrate on her strengths, one of which is she appears to have arrived at more conservative viewpoints than Castle.
emrys (52b053) — 9/16/2010 @ 7:59 amI am curious as to why everyone seems to think that other people are not supporting O’Donnell.
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:02 amThat’s nice. I made that comment on the basis of her radio interview, in which she sounded weaselly. It’s good to know that you are better, and would never call someone names when you don’t know them — except for just now, when you called me weaselly for noting her multiple prevarications in that radio interview.
Patterico (c218bd) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:06 amEmrys,
You’re not disagreeing with me on the facts, then. You’re just saying I should not speak ill of any Republican.
Sorry. I’m just not the cheerleading type. She lost every county in her last election and claimed otherwise in a radio interview.
Weasel.
Patterico (b677cb) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:20 amI listened to the radio interview. Painful to the extreme.
VOR2 (8e6b90) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:31 amNo, the Weasel is your term of endearment re: what passes for a mouse in your pants. Wiener.
gary gulrud (790d43) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:49 amPatterico,
Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this with you. You have stated your position. I have stated mine. You run a fair blog.
Cheers
emrys (52b053) — 9/16/2010 @ 8:58 amThat is how you wound up with Palin. They are isomorphic. Two candidates overwhelmingly endorsed by the conservative base, that have no chance in the general.
wheeler's cat (ed1d19) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:03 amPalin and O’Donnell LOSE the votes you need– youth and minorities and college-educated. You already have the other votes.
Have you considered…what a Palin ticket will do to base enthusiasm?
Obama’s electoral army will come screaming out of the heavens like a swarm of MQ-9 reapers on an afghan wedding party.
But its your choice……the system is WAI, afterall.
🙂
Meme #5, people. Can it be any more predictable?
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:04 amThis is a good example of what even Dems think of Teh One that wheelers/nishi worships.
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:08 amso what JD? its true.
wheeler's cat (ed1d19) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:11 amim speaking truth, you are whistling past the graveyard.
You already HAVE all the conservative votes.
you should choose candidates to appeal to the demographics you have little support in.
youth, minorities, and the college-educated.
none of those demographics are going go heavily for Palin or O’Donnell.
Patterico said “we need every vote”.
You do.
365 to 173 is a pretty steep electoral hill to climb.
We should abandon our principles, in other words. You are an aggressive idiot. A persistent fool. How is boy wonder doing these days?
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:15 amWhy would anyone seriously seek out the votes of “youth and minorities and college-educated”?
They are notoriously unreliable voters, who are attracted to the trendy and insubstantial (Obama),
and are unable to deal with issues of substance (speak to the hand).
Then, when it all turns to excrement, they confirm their position as the third type of person in the world:
There are people who make things happen;
There are people who watch things happen; and,
There are people who look around and ask “What Happened?”!
Plus, I believe that “college educated” demographic is only a reliable (or possible) vote for Leftists as long as they are unmarried, or married without children.
AD - RtR/OS! (318661) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:17 amThe responsibilities of rearing children in a family situation (like, married) gives one a new appreciation for the positions of conservatives, and the failings of Progressivism.
It is inching towards Meme #7.
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:17 amAD
The Vanishing Young Republicans.
Please note– conservatism FAILED. The unregulated invisible hand of the Free Market just punched American families in the face.
The republican oligarchy’s attempted tactic is to regain control of the house and the senate (if possible) and obstruct legislation to ensure the economy remains as bad as possible until 2012, to aid their chances of reclaiming the white house. So prepare to suffer, O America.
wheeler's cat (ed1d19) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:33 amits for your own good.
Patterico is abandoning his principles by throwing support behind “your weasel”.
wheeler's cat (ed1d19) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:36 amDo your ‘principles’ consist of “win at any cost”, JD?
That is what they look like from here.
For those complaining about O’Donnell using campaign funds to pay her rent, here’s a new target for your ire:
AD - RtR/OS! (318661) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:38 amhttp://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2010/09/you-have-won-a-new-car.html
Nonsense, nishi. Take your meds.
JD (896f08) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:47 amI think this is a good point. They both had such negative things to say about the other, and the idea that the problem between them originated with Castle not endorsing is pretty silly. I must be out of touch, because a lot of very reasonable people keep comparing this Castle not endorsing to Murkowski’s third party and write in behavior. I think Castle has every right not to endorse her, because doing so endorses the idea that Castle is this horrible person. It’s just asking too much, IMO. Castle’s comment about not funding her, however, was way over the line and juvenile and represents a disloyal attitude after the party went to bat for him.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:55 amAD’s point about demographics and concerns for young college kids is quite right.
Politics is a cultural issue and that’s why the left fights against the best things in life, like working out a marriage and having a big family and devotion to God or country.
This is perhaps the very best reason to like O’Donnell more than Coons. The attacks on her religion and personal values are another battle in a culture war that we frankly have the advantage in.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 10:58 am“They never claimed it was a hoax or unauthorized claim.”
Dustin – In Cornyn’s formal announcement the next day did he not say the NRSC always supports every Republican Senate nominee? Am I mistaken?
If not, how is that not a repudiation of the story that was floated the night before? Why might not that story have been floated by the O’Donnell campaign to further energize the Tea Party, since there was no attribution that I have seen.
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:09 pmwallah, dustin…i linked an article from the next right with hard data that disproves AD’s thesis and you stupidly reassert what he said?
wheeler's cat (ed1d19) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:24 pmand…you have already lost the culture war.
all the vital organs of culture are liberal. Media, academe, science, film, music, art, technology……all you have are talk radio and talk tv. cities are liberal, rural is conservative. where are population centers again?
the demographic timer runs out for non-hispanic caucs in 2020, and the old white christian people are fewer every year, while more of us liberals age into the voting demographic.
get a clue.
I don’t want to level that accusation at O’Donnell… if there was a dirty trick it could have just as soon come from Coons. I agree with you that it’s suspicious.
This could be two things.
It could be that NRSC changed their mind quickly, and tried to end the issue as fast as possible.
It could be that NRSC always intended to fund her and decided not to cry ‘hoax’ because that would just increase attention on a politically messy situation.
Regardless, Cornyn’s statement of support explained the situation as ‘those aides don’t speak for me’. I think this is a situation where the NRSC didn’t all understand just how stupid it was to send this message during O’Donnell’s victory speech.
The more I look at it, the more it seems that Cornyn has learned his lesson, at least politically, not to play favorites over the voter’s wishes, but he has failed to lead the NRSC such that these problems don’t come up. I bet he’s made clear to aides to shut the hell up about this kind of thing in the future, but they seem to be slow learners.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:26 pmWhen it comes to following your argument, I honesty wish I could. I have no idea what you’re trying to say. If you had a good argument against AD, you shouldn’t have translated it in babblefish 50 times before posting it here.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:45 pmThat was cheating on my part. Nishi’s demographics meme is as predictable are her craziness, or as predictable as leftists raising taxes.
JD (b292bd) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:51 pmYeah, right, wheeler’s cat, a liberal muslim.
That’s as believable as an honest Democrat.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/16/2010 @ 1:56 pm“I don’t want to level that accusation at O’Donnell”
Dustin – That’s why I keep asking for the original attribution. Brett Baier on Fox said aides told them the NRSC would not be funding the campaign. He did say aides to who, the NRSC or the O’Donnell campaign. The print version was the same. I have not seen any verifiable sourcing for the story.
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/16/2010 @ 2:05 pmYep, daleyrocks, it’s just plain strange that such a serious and timely announcement would go unattributed to a specific person.
And the way it was phrased was ‘she needs to show viability, and get back to us’. Get back to who? That kind of comment shouldn’t have been trusted anonymously.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 2:18 pmdayleyrocks:
RLY? You look at the turnout numbers in 2008?
I don’t think you’ve gotten anything right on a
thread today.
google’s first result told the story of 2008 turnout. please try to get the facts straight before you malign others on the basis of your own ignorance.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-slightly-higher-than-04/
Born Free (9b46a7) — 9/16/2010 @ 4:03 pmBorn Free, from your link
Now, I’ve sighted this myself (I thought it was 1.8 percent, but I guess I was wrong or CNN sucks as usual). 1-2 percent of turnout loss from Bush’s wartime reelection to Mccain’s slump, given the economic change, and given Obama’s margin being much greater than that, tells me this isn’t the core reason Obama won.
However, it’s something to worry about anyway. 1 percent is nothing to sneeze at with these close elections we’ve had for so long, and it’s not like conservatives are getting less tired of the GOP.
Anyway, it wasn’t the biggest problem, just a problem.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 9/16/2010 @ 4:44 pmBorn Free – Your link has preliminary numbers for the vote totals. My numbers were correct. I was wrong on the turnout for Republicans, which indeed declined, as you indicate, from 2004. My apologies.
“More ballots were cast in 2008 than in any U.S. election in history, with 131,257,542 votes cast according to final and official returns from 50 states and the District of Columbia.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/12/17/2008-election-leftovers-blacks-key-turnout-massive-more-bad-news-for-gop/
daleyrocks (940075) — 9/16/2010 @ 5:12 pmPatterico is abandoning his principles by throwing support behind “your weasel”.
Comment by wheeler’s cat — 9/16/2010 @ 10:36 am
— That’s funny, because I thought that Patterico’s principle was that we must support the conservative candidates during the general election. Seems to me that he has abandoned NOTHING. You, meanwhile, should abandon all hope for a return to sanity.
Icy Texan (f486e9) — 9/16/2010 @ 11:08 pm96. any more unity and this blog maybe the first to see the little white UN vehicles full of sunburned danes in baby blue helmets
Comment by EPWJ — 9/16/2010 @ 2:27 am
97. It’s really amusing how swayed people are by the “maximum donation.” UNITY!
Comment by imdw — 9/16/2010 @ 4:26 am
— Worst one-two punch EVER!
Icy Texan (f486e9) — 9/16/2010 @ 11:12 pm