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Levi Johnston: I’m Sorry I Said I Was Sorry

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:48 pm

He says he lied when he said he lied:

Levi Johnston, the father of Sarah Palin’s grandson, says he wishes he hadn’t apologized for telling lies about the former Alaska governor because he’s “never lied about anything.”

Johnston said in an interview on CBS’ “The Early Show” to air Friday that he wishes that he hadn’t issued the apology to Palin.

“I don’t really regret anything,” Johnston said, who has appeared nude on the cover of Playgirl. “But the only thing I wish I wouldn’t have done is put out that apology ’cause it kind of makes me sound like a liar. And I’ve never lied about anything. So that’s probably the only thing. The rest of the stuff I can live with.”

He’s no liar. And anyone who says he is — including himself — is a liar.

Stolen from Hot Air — like everything else on this blog.

356 Responses to “Levi Johnston: I’m Sorry I Said I Was Sorry”

  1. Come on. How can I not post this?

    Patterico (b9e9e0)

  2. I think he’s telling the truth it’s just he never said anything terribly interesting to apologize for in the first place

    I wannna hear the real dirt.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  3. I thought it was only supposed to be 15 minutes…

    Gazzer (adbfb4)

  4. I bet Sarah can’t cook for shit.

    give it up, Levi

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  5. Then

    “Last year, after Bristol and I broke up, I was unhappy and a little angry. Unfortunately, against my better judgment, I publicly said things about the Palins that were not completely true. I have already privately apologized to Todd and Sarah. Since my statements were public, I owe it to the Palins to publicly apologize.”


    it kind of makes me sound like a liar. And I’ve never lied about anything.

    I am curious: why in the hell didn’t the Associated Press include the comment he was retracting? If he was actually admitting to lying, which he was, that undermines his credibility and seems like something the article would have to include. It goes without saying that if the partisanship were different, the AP wouldn’t even cover the story. I checked, briefly, and while it may be out there, I found nothing from AP covering Ashley Biden using cocaine.

    Did he privately apologize to Sarah and Todd? What an amazing specimen. As much as people like to bash Bristol, now going on that Dancing reality show I heard, it’s hard for me not to feel great sympathy for her.

    Sure, she has made a horrible set of choices, but she’s owning them like an adult, raising her son, etc. And while it’s not really rational, people do get hung up on others enough to forgive them and take them back… particularly when they wish their son had a dad. Levi leveraged these feelings into dollars and fame, and likely when he thinks about how this has screwed up the lives of various people, laughs it off.

    What an interesting specimen. I’m biased, but I think Todd and Sarah’s classy restraint shows thick skin and big picture thinking. Obama and Clinton sorely lack this, but Dubya had it too.

    I am sure a lot of beltway types would love to hear the dirt, happyfeet. There is no dirt. Palin’s private email was hacked open for all to see. Her admin was ransacked by FOIA over 1,400 times. She has been investigated countlessly and Levi would have sold any real corruption story he had for cash long ago.

    There are many valid complaints about Sarah Palin, but there is no dirt on her. She’s probably the cleanest politician you’ve ever had the chance to vote for.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  6. of course there’s no dirt the woman is quintessentially banal… and here you most definitely pronounce banal the npr way

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  7. but nonetheless I bet her biscuits are harder than Levi driving past Wasilla High drill team practice

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  8. Was he lying then or is he lying now? In Levi’s world, magically, neither time. HUZZAH!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  9. the woman is quintessentially banal

    Not much argument here. I think it’s kinda amazing that this is all it takes. It’s more a statement on the rest of the ‘ruling class’ than it is on anything super from Sarah Palin, but the fact that people really believe she’s not corrupt and really believes in reform is all it took.

    Just seem odd that something so basic would create whatever Palin is. Granted, there’s a lot of smart and cynical card playing on her part too.

    BTW, I do not know how to pronounce banal. Is it canal or anal?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  10. but nonetheless I bet her biscuits are harder than Levi driving past Wasilla High drill team practice

    Comment by happyfeet


    Good grief. I guess the idea I had of elk hunter, prior to 2008, was not compatible with sous chef.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  11. caribou, not elk. Sorry… got my ungulates combobulated.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  12. Levi, you got over on Sarah’s daughter. You fathered a child.
    Remind me once again why I should give a rats a$$ what you’re doing or what you think??
    Someday son,you’re going to wake up and realize that the the sun and the moon and all the planets don’t revolve around you.
    Until then you should try to understand that to the men of the world,you’re acting like a childish dick who needs a good slap upside the head.

    firefirefire (914e0c)

  13. I wannna hear the real dirt.
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/26/2010 @ 11:13 pm

    — Read one of your posts out loud.

    Icy Texan (a546bd)

  14. 4.I bet Sarah can’t cook for shit.
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/26/2010 @ 11:26 pm

    — Invite her over.

    Icy Texan (a546bd)

  15. but nonetheless I bet her biscuits are harder than Levi driving past Wasilla High drill team practice

    Comment by happyfeet — 8/26/2010 @ 11:41 pm

    OK that was funny. LOL

    (nottomentionmorethanlikelytrue…full time job + 5 kids either makes you pretty familiar w/ takeout phone numbers, or your hubby a good cook)

    no one you know (6631bc)

  16. There is no dirt, there’s only Rex and Tank, the
    Alaskan version of the “Justice Brothers” with a straight pipeline to the DNC, who is behind this,
    you are not a cute mogwai, you are really an ass,
    pardon my french,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  17. the Plain family should now move into the “no comment” part of this soap opera. No statements to the press, nothing. Absolutely nothing. Let Levi pop out of his loony bin and quack as he will as a male wanna-be Paris Hilton without the money. looks or brains.

    cedarhill (c0813d)

  18. You know it doesn’t work that way, as with the campaign two years, any statement not rebutted is
    assumed to be true.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  19. Back when I was this kid’s age anyone who shot his mouth off or lied as much as this punk would have gotten the crap kicked out him or worse. By the people that knew him. And he would have remained blackballed long enough for him to recover his health and his senses. If he didn’t he would have left for more peaceful parts unknown. Who knows, maybe he still has that to look forward to.

    xsssx (10aa8c)

  20. Wow!, Patterico, All you have to mention is Palin’s name and aaallll the trolls come out. I guess a strong woman is a slap at their manhood. Poor babies.

    PatriotRider (17f47b)

  21. I think there was STar Trek episode like this (for all of you old enough to remember the series). Spock told a robot he was a liar, which meant he was telling the truth, but if he was a liar, then he wasn’t telling the truth–the robot finally exploded.

    rochf (ae9c58)

  22. He just wanted to get back in that girl’s pants. Sounds like it didn’t work out.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  23. Norman the android, in one of the Harry Mudd episodes, “Mudd’s Women” I think.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  24. That moron will regret just about everything he is doing once he gets past 30. He will have alienated the only folks who actually give a crap about him.

    I wonder if the media is concerned about Levi paying child care or doing anything responsible.

    You know, people like NOW, who are such advocates for single moms.

    HeavenSent (e230a5)

  25. I think he is being truthful when he says he is sorry.

    He is one sorry piece of crap.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  26. Trainwreck.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  27. What is it called when you have gone beyond feeling sorry for someone? Pity does not seem quite right, but there has to be a descriptor for it.

    JD (2f9e08)

  28. The Washington Post and Newsweek better hurry and sew him up as a reporter, columnist, and juice box journalist. You know, people really do want to hear 20 year old Levi’s opinions. The publications could still tout Levi almost as a child prodigy. (Thereby bumping their wonky and influential star, Mr. Ezra, into the ranks of elder statesman).

    elissa (d3b72f)

  29. Levi Johnston is beginning to remind me of the opening credits to the movie, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” in which the makers of the opening credits keep getting sacked and the credits keep getting progressively worse. I’m just waiting for the llamas to appear at his next presser! Honestly, who cares what this dweeb has to say?

    Gator (0a2f79)

  30. What is it called when you have gone beyond feeling sorry for someone? Pity does not seem quite right, but there has to be a descriptor for it.

    Comment by JD — 8/27/2010 @ 6:50 am

    Not really what you’re looking for I think, but I never really thought about what the term “beneath contempt” meant until I heard about the antics of this loathsome not-yet-man. Not even worth the energy to despise.

    no one you know (196ed7)

  31. You have to wonder if he thought one day, “How can I become a bigger jerkweed than Spencer Pratt?”

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  32. Apparently the press and people like Andrew Sullivan and his cutsie doppleganger happyfeet pay more attention to you if you go negative on Palin.

    He reminds me of a sea gull in Finding Nemo. The attention is mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine

    quasimodo (4af144)

  33. #30 … I had to look up what a Spencer Pratt was in Wikipeedee-uh. Yuck.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  34. Who is Spencer Pratt?

    noyk – Originally I felt sorry for him, which kind of morphed into pity as it played out, and then morphed past that into basically, I do not wish bad things to happen to him, but it would not bother me if he had to live with a perpetually stubbed big toe.

    JD (2f9e08)

  35. feets…PDS….

    He hammers Sarah Palin here, and the string is about Levi Johnson lying about “HIS” own (as he now says) lie…

    feets, it’s called insanity….thanks….I’m sorry but you’re being a real jerk…sort of like Levi….

    reff (b996d9)

  36. We see this with Fagan, a lout from Louisiana, that has turned on her like our mad mogwai, with the likes of Murkowski who was irresolute on Obamacare
    and flirted with cap n trade, but she doesn’r get
    nearly the vitriol

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  37. Another Chris

    Lol. right. how can i be a bigger dick than Pratt without actually violating the penal code?


    Pratt is a guy on The Hills. If you don’t feel like watching that show, if you watch a few weeks of “The Soup” on the E! network, he is likely to show up. He is a mega-ass.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  38. JD

    btw, pity is not the word that comes to mind. contempt is.

    The good news is that probably teenage girls all across the country are insisting on birth control out of fear they will be chained to a tool like this for the rest of their lives.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  39. As my old drill sergeant said to a fellow recruit; “I know you’re sorry Levi, but that’s no excuse”.

    I believe the drill sergeant was referring to a sorry sack of feces, Certainly if he’d been looking at Levi, that’s what he would have meant.

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  40. I had no idea who the Pratt person was, either – no idea that show was so popular.

    the Plain family should now move into the “no comment” part of this soap opera. No statements to the press, nothing. Absolutely nothin

    If only – now their daughter’s reportedly going to be on Dancing with the Stars, so your hopes are in vain. I’m beyond tired of this family and their assorted relatives, if they had any dignity they’d have gone off the grid of public life and tended towards their own private affairs for awhile. Ms. Palin can do whatever she pleases, but I wish she’d be a little less visible these days, and spend more time with her family for awhile. They’re becoming a real freak show right now.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  41. I think Kirk may have also done something like this to the computer that was running the “simulated” war. Once he blew it up and the government was faced with a real war (putting themselves at risk), they immediately declared a truce and started negotiations.

    I think that Data was able to handle the “paradox” correctly, as any legitimate programmer would have set up the computer and Norman. There is a class of statements that are by definition invalid and not to be used as data. This was one of them. Another is

    Can an omnipotent G-d create a stone that He cannot lift or a four sided triangle

    Sabba Hillel (dd522e)

  42. The problem is the more mendacious a liar, if it fits certain interests, the more he is accepted, One would have thought Tawana Brawley would have finished the career of a Sharpton but instead he is bigger than a Macy’s Day parade float. Michael Moore is yet another example, so much so that another fraud, Imam Rauf referenced him in a talk in 2005

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  43. Tick…Tick…Tick…

    Frank Drebbin (8096f2)

  44. Sabba

    I am almost embarrassed to know this, but you got that subtly wrong about that star trek episode.

    In the episode two nations were at war and if memory serves, they had been at war for a really, really long time. The war was simulated entirely in a computer. The computer would decide how many casualties occurred in each battle, and then the requisite number of citizens would voluntarily go into death chambers to balance the account. So it wasn’t war without death, it was death without actual fighting and without the horror of war.

    So kirk somehow intentionally fouled that up for them. His view is if they had to face the actual horror of war, they would end it. war without horror is horrible in its own way, i suppose.

    And i am not sure i know how this relates…

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  45. The Mudd episode really fits this thread, now those who have been following the ‘flushed Korans’ or the ‘Haditha massacre’ or the Plame panjandrum, or the hysteria surrounding Katrina, should not be surprised

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  46. “Sorry a++ sack of s+++ who’s not even trying to keep his f+++ing lies straight” is what I said this morning, watching him preening on CBS. I’ll go with less than 100 votes for him for mayor of Wasilla (population ~10,000.)

    htom, not a professional politico (412a17)

  47. Btw, it is worth noting that Roddenbury was a military veteran. i think he served in a sub, but i could be wrong. And he certainly tried to give the original enterprise a bit of a “submarine” kind of feeling.

    btw, if you are following the movies, there is a rumor going around that the next villian in this “alternate timeline” series is going to be Khan. of course this would be the “pre-wrath” Khan who appeared on the original show. I am 90% sure, that he was supposed to be asian. ricardo Montalban had his hair back in a long black pony tail, which was common when non asians pretended to be asian, and khan isn’t exactly a spanish name. Back then they would do that sort of thing, going (in the terms of their time) “oriental, spanish, what’s the difference?” Of course nothing beats the weirdness factor of James Bond in one of his movies being required to make himself supposedly asian. that beign sir. Sean Connery trying to do so. It is certainly one of the top 10 most WTF moments in a bond movie.

    Anyway, the are on record as saying they hope the new star trek movie ends up being to the series what “The Dark Knight” was to the Nolan batman movies. Which is a big part of why that rumor is around.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  48. Blowing up Vulcan, really jumped the shark there in my view, I wasn’t really disposed to watch it anyways but this was the cincher against. Roddenbury was Airforce, before the LAPD, and was
    Chief Parker’s speechwriter, he was the model for Spock

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  49. ian

    actually blowing up vulcan didn’t bother me so much. but when old spock explains that he can’t straighten things out for young spock because he doesn’t want to risk the friendship of kirk and spock, that drove me crazy.

    In the Wrath of Khan, Spock said the needs of the man outweigh the needs of the few or the one. And he meant it, choosing to sacrifice his life for the good of the ship.

    It was a little wrong, but forgivable, to resurrect the man after that. but this movie pretty much peed all over the concept, so that the needs of the two, kirk and spock, to kindle their bromance, was far more important than, say, the lives of a few billion humans and aliens on earth. The spock when went into that reactor at the end of “Wrath” would not have done that.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  50. Dang typo. I meant my last line to be:

    > The spock THAT went into that reactor at the end of “Wrath” would not have done that.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  51. Dick Cheney needs to man up take this wanker moose hunting and put him out of our misery once and for all…

    MJN1957 (d1de05)

  52. Levi Johnston, pretty face, empty head. A suicide by 30.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  53. Levi Johnston – Douche Nozzle.

    That is all.

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  54. Levi Johnson reminds me of a fairly typical young man raised without a father by a deeply flawed and distracted woman. The young boy learns to manipulate his mother with overly dramatic displays of psychological longing for the absent father, which is made easy by the mother’s guilty conscience.

    Over time the boy becomes adept at using women, he understands their vulnerabilities and preys on their weaknesses. Soon he finds that girlfriends are just as easy to manipulate. It becomes his MO, and with experience he gets better and more efficient, and more cynical and more cruel.

    However, he’s never able to find his way in the world of men. They don’t respond to his attempted manipulations, in fact men hold him in contempt for even attempting such nonsense. He begins to fear men and to avoid them, while longing for their company and approval but finding it beyond his reach.

    His life becomes a series of failures and bitter disappointments. In his wake, he leaves the damaged women who will raise sons and daughters to repeat the sad melodrama.

    ropelight (e4de5c)

  55. Wow, Ropelight. That’s very insightful and something I’ll have to think about.

    If only – now their daughter’s reportedly going to be on Dancing with the Stars, so your hopes are in vain. I’m beyond tired of this family and their assorted relatives, if they had any dignity they’d have gone off the grid of public life and tended towards their own private affairs for awhile. Ms. Palin can do whatever she pleases, but I wish she’d be a little less visible these days, and spend more time with her family for awhile. They’re becoming a real freak show right now.

    Comment by Dmac

    I’m a big Sarah Palin fan, but I also had a similar reaction to the Dancing news. I’m glad Sarah is out there making some difference (aside from those blasted tweets). And I feel terrible for Bristol, who just had her heart torn out. But there is a lot at stake for this country that these few people have quite a bit of impact on, and I wish Bristol would just be less visible for a while. Bless her and all that, but she is consistently a side show.

    What’s funny is that, while the Dancing show is almost voyeuristic extra soft core porn, a lot of people will probably actually realize Bristol is a human being who was treated horribly. It had a negative impact on me, but it might actually be good for her rep. That’s sad.

    The reason Levi is being used this way is to make people like dmac throw their hands up and declare this whole family a freak show. They should go out of their way to fight that impression, IMO. Sarah does, but Bristol doesn’t.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  56. not only sorry
    he sorry as sorriness
    can possibly be

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  57. #23–you’re right. I don’t want Levi to explode, or anything, I just wish he’d go away.

    rochf (ae9c58)

  58. btw, i have refused to buy any products from “wonderful” including their pistachios, ever since he did that ad with johnson.

    typically the ads would be with some bad double entendre. So i would like like “Cameron Diaz does it with vim and vigor.” and by does it, they mean eating the nuts.

    So they ran an ad with him saying, “Levi Johnston uses protection when he does it.”

    Ha, ha, get it? Because he knocked up a teenager!

    Really out of line. i mean forget the politics, that is just wrong.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  59. It’s not a accident or coincidence behind any of this;

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  60. Dmac, I don’t think the Palins are any more or less beset with problems than most families. It’s just with five kids, the potential for the poop hitting the fan increases exponentially. The biggest difference however is none of our families are under the insatiable lecherous glare of the media 24/7. Because of that, I too wish they’d be more cautious in their decisions to do anything public.

    I’m afraid Bristol Palin’s decision (or her handlers) to do DWS will backfire and she’ll just be opening herself up to ridicule and scorn. However, as schizo and vapid as our culture is, it would be utterly ironic if she won and that *that* is what redeemed her in the public/media’s eyes. Heh.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  61. Stolen from Hot Air — like everything else on this blog.

    Not true… that joke is toally stolen from AoSHQ!


    Karl (f07e38)

  62. We don’t even know that this particular story is true, and having seen what has flowed from E in particular in the last two years, I tend to doubt

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  63. Good point, ian, but I’m going to assume the worst anyway.

    In ten years, Bristol will either be a very insightful and wise woman, or a hopeless disaster. I hope the best for her, but I’m with dmac in hoping she lays low for a while.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  64. The new cast will be revealed on Monday. Is everyone on pins & needles?


    aych ef?

    [Sully’s praying for that moment when she kicks up her leg so that he can freeze the Tivo and zoom in on her hoo-ha to look for any signs that Trig came from there.]

    Icy Texan (a546bd)

  65. Good grief. Isn’t this loser piece of shit’s 15 minutes over yet?

    kansas (7b4374)

  66. off topic, but a school in mississippi actually put racial restrictions on who can serve as student body president, vice president, and so on.

    Yes, really.

    And and be sure to scroll to the bottom for the update. The School system explains that it was an affirmative action program gone horribly wrong.

    (And yes, i know i am saying “yes really” alot recently. what can i say? i am pretty jaded, but even this sh-t surprises me.)

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  67. Taranto dredged up the right episode, and the appropriate context;

    Norman: “But there was no explosion.” Harcourt Fenton “Harry” Mudd: “I lied.” Norman: “But–” Kirk: “He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie.” Mudd: “Now, listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying.” Norman: “You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie but you lie, you tell the truth, but you cannot for you lie. Illogical. Illogical! Please explain. You are human, only humans can explain their behavior. Please explain.” Kirk: “I am not programmed to respond in that area.”–from “I, Mudd,”

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  68. “Logic… is a beautiful flower – that smells BAD!”

    Frank Drebbin (8096f2)

  69. Epimenides was a Cretan who made one immortal statement: “All Cretans are liars.”

    That’s the origin of the Epimenides paradox. It’s not unknown that many of these Greeks were also sexual deviants and that their mystical city, Atlantis, fell into a time warp under the Pacific ocean when John Locke was possessed by the smoke monster. Levi is the first Atlantis Philosopher to emerge off the coast of Russia / Alaska to lead Wasilla to the apex of civilization, which is the same thing as falling back into the ocean.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  70. Ok, Dustin you win, wth was that.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  71. ian – I think Dustin is possessed by the smoke monster.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  72. ian

    oh, right, now i remember. and get the reference.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  73. It’s just with five kids, the potential for the poop hitting the fan increases exponentially

    Not having children, I’m sure your point is spot – on, Dana. But you’d think after the past two years that they’d have learned some discretion regarding their activities. I mean, I would’ve been more than fine if they had gone over to the rented house next door (that the creep McGinnis was renting in order to get some dirt on them), and shoved a shotgun into one of his orifices – that kind of outrageous invasion of anyone’s privacy should have been condemned by all sides, yet they always get a bum rap from the MSM on these kinds of issues. But why must they keep giving these ghouls endless opportunities to keep going with their character assassinations? The one thing the MSM hates is no news – just like oxygen, deprived of anything to say they’ll all die a quick death.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  74. I actually don’t want Bristol to go-to-ground. Due to her unique circumstances, she has an opportunity few people do and she should use that opportunity. She has a story to tell of her own mistakes and accepting personal responsibility for her choices, and she is telling that story. She is helping other youth to not make the same mistakes she made and to be responsible afterward if they do.

    If she goes to ground, then evil wins that battle. And, seriously, who is going to buy the character assassinations other than haters to begin with? By now, the lamestream media has lost its mantle of integrity. Its incessant screeching is only going to drive more people away.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  75. Well apparently more than a few people with no sources at all, I thought the apex of it was what happened nearly two years ago. I thought no one could possibly be that stupid, then I read the transcripts of the Journolist, the records of Axelrod’s atroturfing minions at Youtube, the
    full transcript of the Gibson and Couric

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  76. Wow. A fight between two lying pieces of trash. Call me surprised.

    libarbarian (90bd00)

  77. “two lying pieces of trash. Call me surprised.

    Comment by libarbarian”

    Since the only person disagreeing with Levi today is Levi a month ago, I guess you have a point.

    If you mean Bristol or Sarah is a liar, I’m going to go ahead and keep smoking this crack rock I found in your mom’s pillowcase and hope I can understand where you’re coming from.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  78. Where would Arianna Prinzessa von Huffington be without him?

    Vermont Neighbor (91ed50)

  79. O/T, but related by lies…
    NRA declines to endorse Harry Reid for re-election…

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  81. Where would Arianna Prinzessa von Huffington be without him?

    The same place that hag Kathy Griffin would be without him.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  82. NRA declines to endorse Harry Reid

    Fantastic.. really great news. Voting for Sonya and El did him in.

    Vermont Neighbor (91ed50)

  83. that hag Kathy Griffin >

    Yup. So many stars/ projects/ movies/ D-listers that I avoid because they’ve just gone too far with the agenda. I even tried to look the other way when Alec Baldwin attacked his kid during that taped phone call a few years ago. It was creepy, he’s creepy and it was just ‘ TMI.’ He’s officially ruined one of my all-time favorite movies though, Glengarry Glen Ross, by just being Alec Baldwin. Not a character, but a true egomaniacal bully. Maybe that’s where the Obama worship comes from… peas/pod thing. Anyway David Mamet is always awesome, a wild conservative-convert who can easily put these clowns in their place.

    Vermont Neighbor (91ed50)

  84. Levi Johnston is the poor man’s Kevin Federline.

    M. Scott Eiland (dcaa3e)

  85. He is such a liar. I wish he will go away.

    m (fc559b)

  86. hey semi on topic. tonight on The Soup, they had a guy who was saying over and over again how you can’t trust lindsay lohan, because every time an addict talks they lie. “And I know, because I am a drug addict!”

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  87. I am sorry Levi is a nozzle of douche.

    JD (3dc31c)

  88. =>Sabba@41
    Do you by any chance have a rule for distinguishing such statements?


    phunctor (018bc8)

  89. i HATE levi he’s such a BIG CREEP he thinks he’s superimportant like Sarah Palin but he’s NOT how could he be he’s just a reality tv loser and Sarah Palin wrote a book and she’s on tv all the time electing the CANDIDATES for AMERICA. Levi needs to go away so that America can hear REAL GRIZZLY WOMEN for a change!

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  90. I would say Levi’s shelf time has about expired. But, if the Republicans win big — as they seem to expect — in the mid-terms, then the left will have to have something to cling to, bitterly.

    He’s the latest Tidal Basin Bombshell, and will be relegated to history much as she.

    Hey, may I ask again? What is this lefty obsession (as well as happy) with Palin and her offspring? It’s weird and creepy and really doesn’t seem to have any relation to the more significant problems of the day.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  91. It was SARAH PALIN who elected John McCain and he is a very brave man and he is a senator that is very powerful in WASHINGTON so now Sarah’s INFLUENCE is growing while stupid levi is just running for mayor of a very very small town. How does that even compare? It DOESN’T! Even if stupid levi wins his campaign he still won’t be as POWERFUL and INFLUENTIAL as SARAH PALIN is provened to already be!

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  92. Team D needs to know Levi’s position on gay marriagings. That’s the way they roll.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  93. Bristol is doing her mom some damage. What’s next, a sex tape?

    She’s acting like a Billy Carter relative, but he didn’t act up until Jimmy was elected.

    Patricia (358f54)

  94. Whatever.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  95. It makes me sick how people are always putting down Bristol. She is very pretty in her way and of course she is she’s Sarah Palin’s own DAUGHTER! She’s also probably a very good dancer and even if she isn’t she will WORK HARD and that is what more AMERICANS need to see!

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  96. happyfeet, this is not helping you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  97. If Bristol had been my daughter, she’d have had a choice: “You can choose A, or B. A is for Abortion; B is for Burial—after a closed-casket ceremony, of course. What I plan to do in the event of B, even the Michelangelo of undertakers couldn’t make presentable.”

    And this Levi character sounds like he’s so addled by the money the MSM keeps shoving at him that he doesn’t know what’s true any more.

    Technomad (e2c0f2)

  98. If Bristol had been my daughter, she’d have had a choice: “You can choose A, or B. A is for Abortion; B is for Burial—after a closed-casket ceremony, of course. What I plan to do in the event of B, even the Michelangelo of undertakers couldn’t make presentable.”

    How about choice C: doing what the Palins did – loving and supporting their daughter and her decision to have her baby instead of compounding one bad life-changing decision by one life-ending decision? It seems to me this is what ‘family’ is about. Sticking together through thick and thin and loving one’s children unconditionally, unwaveringly, and rising to the challenge.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  99. I’m not sure I’m reading Technomad’s insane writings properly.

    If Bristol had been my daughter, she’d have had a choice: “You can choose A, or B. A is for Abortion; B is for Burial—after a closed-casket ceremony, of course. What I plan to do in the event of B, even the Michelangelo of undertakers couldn’t make presentable.”

    Is that (A) You murder your baby or (B) I brutally murder you? Is that what the insane Technomad just said? Or did I read that incorrectly?

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  100. It makes me sick that unemployment is at 9.5 percent according to the government and we all know it is higher.

    It makes me sick that the greatest nation on God’s green Earth is mired in a tit-for-tat argument over which side is better, as if this is a pep rally for which football team will win in November.

    Elections matter. Free enterprise matters. God and country matter.

    Levi doesn’t. He’s nothing more than a smatter on the windshield.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  101. here is some musics for B-Pal for when she does the dancings for to help her shake that kinky bootay

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  102. Here’s a version without autotune.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  103. they’re really a lot good the autotuneyness is on purpose I think they’re my new band this week

    but I like your song too

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  104. “It was SARAH PALIN who elected John McCain ”

    No, happyfeet, it was JD Hayworth. Arizone would have elected a better candidate if one had run. Mccain’s pretty lousy and it’s very frustrating he won, but Palin’s endorsement was simple politics from a politician… what standard are you holding her up to? She’s just a politician.

    Anyway, I’m not sure who you think you’re emulating with your sarcastic Palin worship. What’s odd about it is that the Palin supporters are worried about the issues, willing to be critical of her and her family’s weak points, and as far as I can tell, completely reasonable. You, on the other hand, are 100% focused on the celebrity aspect.

    You’re pretending it’s some cult of Palin worshipers that you’re making fun of, but they just aren’t here. Certainly they aren’t fawning over Bristol in the way you’re making fun of. The only real irrational cult, ignoring the real issues for the gossip and the personality crap, are you and a handful of other Palin bashers.

    I really appreciate that you’re toning it down a notch… you are funnier this way, too, but it’s also just nicer of you. But your fundamental argument, that Palin supporters are a bunch of morons focused on the wrong issues, seems to apply to you much more accurately (in reverse) than it does to anyone else.

    Bristol’s a side show and it would be nice if she and Levi left the national stage, but this doesn’t bear on limited government or reform. Not saying you’re off-topic… this is a Levi thread, after all. But from the looks of this thread, Palin supporters are not really susceptible to your joke in this case.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  105. What Dustin said…

    Why are folks so scared of Sarah? I have my doubts that she is presidential material, although i think she has a role to play in national politics, but the unhinged hatred of her is quite strange. I have an otherwise normal acquaintance who becomes unhinged at the mention of her name. Almost frothing at the mouth. Still, he does live in California, which surely does not help.

    Gazzer (adbfb4)

  106. I implied you were a moron by accident. Just wanted to point that out. I just think if we’re criticizing those who are focused like a laser on stupid details over real issues, we should be clear on who’s doing that.

    Sarah Palin writes about the issues because that’s what her supporters care about. I hope someone with more experience and less need of drama explanation does run in 2012, too, but first they need to be as credible on reform as Palin is. Her worst decision to date, the Mccain endorsement, doesn’t compromise her reform reputation at all. That was probably just luck.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  107. “I have my doubts that she is presidential material,”

    I agree, Gazzer. I am resigned to supporting her if she runs (if? lol) because I am worried about reform and limited government. I would be much, much happier supporting someone like Ryan or perhaps Christie (who doesn’t have any experience advantage, but I just like more). I don’t know if they will run, but a lot of people who ‘support’ Palin, actually just note that she’s really not a monster and has been doing some work for the good fight against creeping government.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  108. I tend to see her more as a kingmaker, Juan McCcain notwithstanding, and indeed the Palin name probably is already too stigmatized and polarizing for her to ever run (see: Bush, Jeb). Plus, she quit as Gov for a cushy Fox job, or so the opposition will say, so she might be better off not running. I like Ryan, bit too early to say for Christie. He has said he would not run, but so did Barry. DC is a powerful drug, impossible to resist for some. I like to think, hope, that the savior has not yet revealed his/herself as the field is not too encouraging. Then again, I was a Romney guy in 2008. Still could be, actually.

    Gazzer (adbfb4)

  109. Ya know, a lot of the Palin bashing of today looks an awful lot like the Reagan bashing of the 70s and 80s and on to today. Just sayin’.

    Palin/Bachmann 2012 OR
    Palin/Kasich 2012 OR
    Palin/West 2012 (and not Kanye, but Alan)

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  110. “the Palin name probably is already too stigmatized and polarizing for her to ever run”

    That’s a very legit concern, however fair it may be. I think you’ve got it right about the kingmaker role she’s playing and could decide to limit herself to. Is she too stigmatized to beat Obama? I don’t know… I do know she’s more stigmatized than much of the competition. but the real issue is the nomination, which will take a hell of a special candidate to beat her to.

    I’m going to have to part ways with you on Romney, but no worries. We’d be a hell of a lot better off today if we had picked him in 2008. We both probably just want a better set of choices. Experience, low drama, and an unassailable interest in getting the government down to a sustainable size.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  111. I’d vote Kanye West over some democrats, John.

    And if Palin/Bachmann won, it would be pretty awesome I think.

    But Palin would pick some kind of ‘balance’ VP. She’s a politician and thinks like a politician (who really, really wants to reform government).

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  112. I think Palin is too divisive. BDS was too much, I do not want to go through 4+ years of PDS. I’m happy she’s doing what she’s doing now. Awesome. Great. Just no more than that.

    Bristol. Whatever. She’s a knucklehead. Just saying. That stunt she pulled getting herself on the cover of a magazine with her douche-nozzle of a baby daddy was serious bad form, especially as she was announcing her re-engagement to said douche-nozzle – to her parents. It would be really good for her to take a break. But the DWS opportunity probably won’t be there for her when she sorts out being a knucklehead. I’m very sure her parents have given her a LOT to think about after that stunt. I hope tears were involved in that dressing down. HER tears.

    The douche-nozzle should slink back to his place of origin as a bottom feeding asshat. Redundancy intended.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  113. What is she divisive about, she’s a reformer, she’ impeccably honest believes in the military, the small businessman and small government, she didn’t answer some questions posed to her in a marathon session by some flaky newsperson. She was more right than wrong in the last two years.

    You don’t think they will savage your candidate, now that facts have very little to do with real impressions. Ford was the House Minority Leader
    a Yale law educated star athlete, a naval aviator that didn’t matter to the folks at SNL. Reagan we know what they said of him, Bush had an equally
    promising record, but they forced him to break his promises. W was not perfect by any means, but
    there was no doubt you knew that he was not against this country.

    An example to ponder, who really put together, the Race to the Top application, in such a way as to force Christie to fire Schundler, a proponent of school choice, who the teacher’s unions had derailed his election almost ten yearsago, saddling NJ with McGreevey and Corzine

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  114. Why are folks so scared of Sarah?

    We’re petrified that she’s going to run in 2012, and win the nomination. Thereby dooming any GOP chances to win the whole shebang against Captain Aweseome. Another four years of that guy will ruin what’s left of our country.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  115. I try to make this a wider lesson, about the importance of truth, Romney should have learned in ’94, when they took him down, along with Jeb and North, in an otherwise GOP sweep. Newt was brought low, not really for his own pecadillos, or what seem to be now, very mild policy initiatives but mostly for his unwillingness not to understand the media and the administration’s strategy.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  116. Dmac’s got a good point. I like Palin a lot, but this is a good point. I wonder if Vivian’s worry (a worry I completely share) can be addressed by any GOP nominee. I think it just won’t take too long before Romney or Ryan or anybody brings on huge derangement.

    But Palin brings all that from day 1. I still think it’s quite plausible she would crush Obama. It really depends more on Obama.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  117. Well Ryan’s ambitions with the Road Map, make Newt’s look pitiful by comparison, and they will “dial it up to eleven” in demagoguery

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  118. I had my doubts about Palin early on. But she’s looking better all the time. She understands the issues that matter, and is truly a breath of fresh air.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  119. Colonel most sorry
    to see that happyfrum still
    The Misogynist

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  120. it stem from hatred
    of his own mother who make
    him wear dress when boy

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  121. Newt was brought low, not really for his own pecadillos, or what seem to be now, very mild policy initiatives but mostly for his unwillingness not to understand the media and the administration’s strategy.

    Comment by ian cormac

    Anyone who thinks Newt is a victim of anything but his own peccadillos should read Bob Novak’s biography, “Prince of Darkness.” Newt wasn’t Speaker three months before he was negotiating his book deal and other distractions in skirts. He is a brilliant and educated man but I wouldn’t trust him with a responsible position in government.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  122. Mike, yep. Newt is a big reason a lot of folks have really lost faith in reform. He really, really let us down. I think very highly of him as an intellect, but I wish he had not been our speaker.

    This kind of stuff the GOP promised in 1994 isn’t easy. It’s that much harder when reformers sell out, which I think drives a lot of the fear around the Palins (I don’t think it’s a good comparison, but I get where it’s coming from)

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  123. Romney and Ryan
    in Twenty Twelve the ticket
    if it not too late

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  124. All Wonder white bread
    build stronger America
    twelve ways and no crust!

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  125. I can’t believe Romney is considered a credible candidate. I don’t want a big war about it… let’s hear the debate in 2012 and focus on 2010, but we have to do better than someone who couldn’t beat Mccain with a huge money advantage. And this takes a lot of big government issues off the table.

    He’s a smart man and he’s doing a lot of good work for the country.

    Vivian said “I’m happy she’s doing what she’s doing now. Awesome. Great. Just no more than that.” That’s how I feel about Romney. anyway, if my feel is right, this isn’t worth getting fussy over because his campaign will be DOA.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  126. Well you think my comments are over the top go to the Rhinosphere, Mitt’s shrine, although they have put in a niche for Daniels,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  127. Romney and Palin plays better in Peoria.

    ropelight (0101ba)

  128. ________________________________________

    He is a brilliant and educated man but I wouldn’t trust him with a responsible position in government.

    I agree. I’ve used Gingrich as a test to see how much partisanship affects the way I judge people of the right. I therefore realize that ideology does not rule and justify all.

    I wonder how many on the left are willing to say the same thing about politicians of liberal persuasion?

    Based on all the scroungy, flaky figureheads in the Democrat Party (Hi, Hillary!! Hi, Barack! Hi, Bill! Hi, Al [Sharpton and Gore] and Jesse!), apparently far more “progressives” believe that just as long as a person is of the left, all his or her flaws are excused, if not AOK.

    Leftists’ motto: “Liberalism means never having to say you’re sorry!”

    No wonder a community or society that tilts left tends to be vulnerable to various forms of corruption or is where corruption will flourish.

    Mark (411533)

  129. I think Palin is too divisive.

    For purely strategic, tactical reasons, I think she is way too vulnerable, particularly when an overly large percentage of the American electorate is very squishy. IOW, liberal sentiment, which is pervasive in modern Western society — including the US — makes people give a million benefits of the doubt to politicians of the left. In general, the opposite reaction is directed at politicians of the right.

    I bet a lot of the non-“progressive,” non-registered-Democrat people who voted for the flop currently occupying the White House would never have punched their chad or pulled the lever for a presidential candidate who had a lot of skeletons in his closet. But a candidate who was of the right, much less the far right—or a flipside version of ultra-liberal Obama.

    Mark (411533)

  130. It’s hard to imagine a far right analog to Obama, really getting anywhere, Nixon was still relatively
    liberal, yet look at the grief he caught, ditto for
    Ford, with all the concessions he made, even W. was
    despised despite his accomodations with the left

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  131. The difference, I think is how eager folks on the Right are to tear up their own candidates. I hope the Left will do the same. Because if the Left does not…Four More Years!

    Eric Blair (6ca166)

  132. Fair point, Eric. I realize I’m guilty, btw.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  133. I’m not sure I’m reading Technomad’s insane writings properly

    Is Technomad a Bedoin with a laptop?
    He really seems to be into the “honor killing” sort of thing….typical of a tribal Muslim.

    AD - RtR/OS! (c0bc22)

  134. Hey, Dustin, I think it is great for folks to really critique their candidates. True, Reagan used to talk about his “Eleventh Commandment,” because he felt it was, generally, better for the nation for a given Republican to be in office than a given Democrat.

    But nowadays, many folks disagree.

    What would make me happiest would be for the Left to be equally critical of their candidates. And they may be getting there. I hope. Because if they close ranks, we will get another Obama Administration, and perhaps two more Supreme Court Justices.

    And while I am not trying to pick a fight or stir anyone up, I think that the cost of those things is far, far more extreme than some of the things that irritate conservatives.

    Just my opinion.

    Eric Blair (ef1ac4)

  135. She’s playing politics the old-fashioned way: Accumulating chits to be cashed in later.
    It is very similar to what Nixon did after being blown-away by Pat Brown in the ’62 CA Governor’s Race. He faded into the background, let others contest the ’64 Presidential race, and after the blowout, started his road back to the WH by supporting various candidates in the ’66 off-year elections.
    With the compression of the electoral cycle due to the 24/7 news cycle, Sarahcuda is just accelerating the process – if she’s going to run.
    This is a very savvy person who does know how the game is played, and who not to turn your back on.
    And, the reason the Dems attack and demonize her so, is because she connects with your average “Main Streeter” like no one on their side of the aisle appears to – and very few on her side of the aisle.
    She is the antithetical Progressive, at a time that Progressivism has self-developed a very bad name.

    AD - RtR/OS! (c0bc22)

  136. _______________________________________

    My take on potential candidates associated with the Republican Party/conservatism is influenced by the assessment below. And what is true of the American electorate in the 21st Century applies a thousand times over to the electorate of Western Europe. In turn, the following applies a million times over to the electorate of nations like Mexico—which is a window into the future of the United States.

    This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.”

    “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

    ^ I also keep in mind the political trends from over 60 years ago, back in the 1930s, when Franklin Roosevelt was in office. He was an aggressive, unrepentant liberal. He was notorious for his tax-and-spend policies and, in order to push those policies through the system, attempted to pack the Supreme Court with like-minded judges.

    The American electorate apparently grew uneasy enough about FDR that, during his first term in office, they switched the Congress back over to Republican control. But they continued to give Roosevelt — the ultimate limousine liberal — a million benefits of the doubt.

    So the phenomenon of “vast confederacy of fools” isn’t exclusive to the distant past.

    Mark (411533)

  137. Mark, the Dems controlled Congress from the mid-terms of 1930 until the mid-terms of 1946.
    From 1930, to 1994, the Dems had control of Congress except for the years 1947-49, and 1953-55 (Joe Martin, R-Mass) was Speaker both times, and a few years of GOP control of the Senate during the RR Presidency IIRC.

    AD - RtR/OS! (c0bc22)

  138. ____________________________________________

    the Dems controlled Congress from the mid-terms of 1930 until the mid-terms of 1946.

    You’re correct! I was thinking along the lines of trends involving ideology more than ones involving party affiliation. (BTW, the last sentence in my previous post should have been “So the phenomenon of “vast confederacy of fools” isn’t exclusive to today’s America.”

    The 1930s and the presence of a very liberal US president — and the Great Depression — and how that parallels the 2010s and the current guy in the White House — and the Great Recession — is something I ponder in order to understand how similar or different we are in the current America.

    In a way, history is repeating itself. Although I hope enough Americans decades later aren’t as gullible as their predecessors were (ie, their willingness to keep an uber-liberal like FDR in the White House, year after year), even more so since the mid-point of the political spectrum has shifted left over the past 60 years.

    When Republicans and Democrats faced off for the 1938 midterm elections, it had been a decade since Republicans had done well in congressional elections. They had lost seats in both houses of Congress in 1930, 1932, 1934, and 1936, bringing their totals to a mere 88 in the House and 16 in the Senate. In the wake of Franklin Roosevelt’s landslide reelection victory in 1936, it was an open question whether the Republican Party was capable of serving as a viable opposition party.

    Then, a series of events damaged Roosevelt’s standing and rejuvenated the GOP’s chances.

    First, overestimating his popularity and persuasive powers, Roosevelt embarked on his “court packing” scheme, bringing a backlash even among many Democrats in Congress. The attempt seemed to verify Republican charges that the President was engaged in a campaign for one-man rule.

    Next, the nation was hit with a sharp economic downturn, a recession inside the Depression that soon came to be known as the “Roosevelt recession.” The 1937-38 downturn pushed the unemployment rate back near the 20 percent level, and accentuated the question of whether FDR’s economic policies were actually helping or hurting recovery.

    During 1937-38, America was also rocked with a series of sit-down strikes and instances of union violence, mostly instigated by the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO). Many Americans associated the surge in aggressive unionism with Roosevelt’s encouragement of unions in the 1935 National Labor Relations Act.

    …Altogether, while there were few signs that Americans were ready to thoroughly repudiate Roosevelt or the New Deal, there were many signs that they were ready to rein the president in. An August 1938 Gallup poll showed that 66 percent of Americans wanted FDR to pursue more conservative policies.

    When the election results were in, Democrats had lost six Senate seats and 71 House seats in what former Roosevelt advisor Raymond Moley called “a comeback of astounding proportions.” Republicans nearly matched the Democratic national House vote total, 47 percent to 48.6 percent…

    Furthermore, Democratic losses were concentrated among pro-New Deal Democrats. Once the dust had settled, the Senate was about evenly divided between pro- and anti-New Deal forces, and the “conservative coalition” of Republicans and conservative Democrats was also solidified in the House, and started any given issue within range of victory.

    If it makes sense to consider the 1930 midterm as the leading edge of the New Deal policy era, the midterm elections of 1938 clearly served as the endpoint of that era. Roosevelt was not rejected as Hoover had been — indeed he went on to win the next two presidential elections. But he never again dominated American domestic politics in the same way as before.

    Mark (411533)

  139. I wonder if Vivian’s worry (a worry I completely share) can be addressed by any GOP nominee. I think it just won’t take too long before Romney or Ryan or anybody brings on huge derangement.

    A Christie/Ryan ticket would be my dream match – up, and not only would they own the MFM’s attempts to tear them down, they’d convert millions to their side in the course of doing so. Want proof? Watch Christie’s response to a typical Lib reporter a few months ago:

    Here he is neatly demolishing a sanctimonious teacher who bleats about how she only does it out of the goodness of her heart (she was later found to be taking in over $100K + in salary and benefits):

    I can’t find the vid of Ryan’s perfunctory takedown of the Healthcare plan, where Obama had no choice but to just sit there and stare back at him with pure menace, while he continued his meticulous dissection of his Rube Goldberg – esque atrocity.

    This country is ready for some honest – to – God straight talk about just about everything, and these are the guys that can do it without being typecast as those old meanie conservatives, and their stances on social issues are palatable to the majority of the population as well.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  140. I guess it was Ian who ask how I think Palin is divisive. I think she is divisive because the left have a visceral hatred of her. I agree that any GOP candidate will be attacked. It certainly isn’t because she does anything other than breathe in and out regularly that sends the left into their crazy time.

    I think Palin is currently doing her best and also doing the best thing she could be doing in the fight against the insane liberal/progressive agenda AND the unfortunate old order GOP catatonia to the destruction of our liberty going on right under their complacent noses.

    Newt. I have deep disgust for him. Deep. He’s a tool of the old school GOP. Giving a speech on family values while putting the salami to a woman other than his wife and being arrogant about it because ‘He’s the one to give the message’ is an arrogant-self-centered bridge too far for me. Jackassbastardidiot. Just saying.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  141. ^not to mention serving his wife divorce papers while she was in the hospital. Or marrying his grade school teacher (WTF?) – all kinds of scum attached to that guy.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  142. Colonel admit he
    had thing for Miss Landers in
    third grade but move on

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  143. Yeah, Dmac, that one is stained with the infernal hypocrisy of the intelligentsia. The stain comes with the stench of the damned. I’m really not kidding and not exaggerating what I think about that group.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  144. I’m suspicious though, about how this foul up, with
    the RAce to the Top occurred, I suspect sabotage
    by those ‘bitter clingers’ still in the State’s
    education department

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  145. ian, that education disaster stinks. Our kids deserve better than this disaster of a process.

    And since *everything* is politicized, and Ohio has a democrat in need of reelection, I am quite suspicious myself.

    One thing I’m not suspicious about: it’s just a fact that if the political parties were reversed, the error would be corrected and the right state would get the cash. Of course, libs love to gloat that a conservative wanting fed dollars is some kind of hypocrite. We just want to be robbed a little less than usual, if at all possible.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  146. It is, Dustin, and my experience is with it, is part of the reason I use a nom de plume. NCLB’s
    local application has been dissapointing to say the least

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  147. The stain comes with the stench of the damned.

    And yet he still gets lots of face time on Fox as one of their “deep thinkers.” Turn the channel every Sunday morning when he’s on.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  148. Enough trashing of Republicans! It’s time for some red meat!

    The Democrats are panicked. They’ve backed themselves into a corner while they’ve been patting each other on the back for being the ones they’ve been waiting for, parting the seas, ruining the economy, insulting America’s allies and bowing to her enemies.

    They know what it must feel like to be on death row, waiting for the appointed hour… and like a convicted murderer, they’ll be sh*tting their pants as the juice is applied on that fine November day.

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  149. Since when have I had a problem with ending lives, of all things? And since I don’t consider abortion to be murder or anything like it, that’s not a problem anyway.

    As for this “unconditional” stuff—there’s a point where I had to tell both my parents: “Sorry, but you’ve got yourself into this mess, and this time I’m not going to empty my bank account, for the eighth time, getting you out of jail. You drove after drinking, you plowed into that tree, and you can just figure out something for yourself.” I’ve seen too many people who loved “unconditionally” getting jerked around by scumwad relatives.

    Technomad (e2c0f2)

  150. That reminds me poor Paris she’s just having a hard year.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  151. Technomad, do you really favor abortion for your own family? I’ve always found that deeply unnatural. Not in a Christian sense… just a pure violation of atavism.

    Abortion seems to go hand in hand with eugenics (which is why it naturally is something many democrats like, being modern fascists who see the nation based on race, class, elite, etc).

    Happyfeet, it wouldn’t surprise me if cocaine is involved with Levi’s oddball decisions. I’d say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, but you’d have a field day with that one.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  152. Newt – “…He’s a tool of the old school GOP…”
    Except, he deposed a shining beacon of that “old schoool”, Bob Michel, and was/is one of the few thinkers in the party who could see more than the earmark system – Newt, at least, had ideas.
    I would think that Newt’s replacement, Hastert, was more in the mold of the “old school GOP”;

    Perhaps if he had more closely hewed to those ideas of his own, and Dick Armey’s, he wouldn’t have run off the rails. But, his personal life was a mess, and he felt some responsibility for the losses the party suffered in the ’98 mid-terms. So, he did the honorable thing, and resigned – not just from the Speakership, but from Congress, a Congress in which he could have remained Speaker. Does anyone think that Princess Nancy is going to resign from Congress after her party loses control of the House?
    I didn’t think so.

    I won’t attack him for his personal life because we all have skeletons in that arena; and, IIRC, he didn’t attack Billy Jeff for his relationship with Monica (other than carrying on IN the Oval Office – the Oval Office is not your private life!), but reserved his bile for the lying that went on, especially that under oath – which was the basis for the Articles of Impeachment, and for which he should have been removed from office, if we had a Senate of moral, principled men and women.

    AD - RtR/OS! (c0bc22)

  153. No one gives a tinker’s cuss about Paris, feets, now she is someone you could unapologetically describe with that term you use, but you reserve that for the one who gave tribute to our fine
    serving man and woman.

    As one who was a big supporter of Newt, before the interweb,allowed me to express them I think he had too many ideas, and only a few were really good. He thought himself too clever by half and he really wasn’t

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  154. AD – RtR/OS, I wouldn’t care at all about Newt’s personal life if he didn’t make MY personal life the stuff of speeches. It sticks in my craw in the worst way. It matters, it matters that he’s such a flaming hypocrite. Because he lies to his wives, he lies to us.

    About WJC and Monica. Would not have cared at all if he had an agreement with HRC about other women in their marriage and fessed up, said that’s what was going on and didn’t lie. But he’s got this line of women who claim abuse.

    Just saying, people are consistent.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  155. Vivian

    I mean no disrespect – are you saying that Newt used your personal life in speeches?

    EricPWJohnson (be5a2d)

  156. Now not to go too OT, but the Christie/Schundler matter thickens, the data in question, was from the last year of the Corzine administration, in whose
    interest would suppressing that data be, I wonder.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  157. Ms. Paris Hilton has no idea how that bag got into her purse or what was in it. Ms. Paris Hilton most assuredly does not use drugs any any allegations to the contrary are scurrilous and defamatory. Ms. Paris Hilton has no idea what was in that bag. It was not hers. A friend or passerby must have put it in there. Ms. Paris Hilton has no use for drugs in her fabulous life of the rich and famous. Ms. Paris Hilton gets high on life, not drugs.

    Ms. Paris Hilton is so embarrassed by this recent episode. She does not want all the little people who look up to her to think any less of her over this false arrest and baseless charges.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  158. Paris Hilton?
    Is that a friend of Lindsey Lohan?

    AD - RtR/OS! (c0bc22)

  159. Lindsey ,whatever did happen to her, she seems like
    the possessed girl from the Last Exorcist, I know drugs and alcohol, an insufferable family, not terribly surprising I supppose

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  160. Leave Paris Hilton Alone!

    I do. You might catch something.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  161. “I think she [Palin] is divisive because the left have a visceral hatred of her.”

    No more than Nixon or Reagan were hated in the 60s.

    Trust me. I was there.

    Dave Surls (83b2cc)

  162. I am simultaneously please and repulsed by the left’s pathological hatred of palin. when you look at her in all seriousness, she’s actually a pretty inoffensive person. Her politics are not that radical, she is not the best qualified to be president, but she beats the current occupant by a mile (although to be fair, a chimpanzee might do a better job than obama), and none of what she stands for is all that crazy.

    What she is in the mind of the left is a protection of all their neurosis. and on one hand, its frustrating because it has been so unfair and on the other, it has been fun because they make themselves look so foolish.

    A good example is the pregnancy of bristol. i challenged a lefty why they were picking on palin about that and i said, “why does her daughter’s behavior matter?” So my opponent, a woman, said, “because she is an advocate of abstinence.”

    So i asked her how she knew and she cites a debate in the gubernatorial elections. In the statement she says she doesn’t like the idea of “explicit” sex ed. I pointed out to her that might just mean she doesn’t want condoms on bananas, and is that so unreasonable. After a few rounds she admitted the quote didn’t support her assertion. So her complaint was really based on an incorrect assumption.

    I have long said that nothing drives a liberal more crazy than a sexy conservative woman. Liberal women have their cattiest instincts come out and liberal men devolve into the most misogynist mode possible. and if you are a minority woman, the racism comes out pretty quickly. Witness people wishing ann coulter would be raped. read Michelle Malkin’s hate mail. Some are clearly both sexist and racist, such as someone claiming they used to call women like her LBFM, i.e. little brown f—ing machines. some aren’t automatically racist, but its funny how many people leapt to the conclusion that this asian american woman was a whore. maybe one person didn’t mean that in a stereotypical way, but the rest.

    And of course this actual, documented racism on the left never discredits them. But the fake racism attributed to the tea party discredits them. go figure.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  163. Dave, your comment leads into the point I was going to raise.

    There has been political ugliness since Jefferson the VP paid someone to print false rumors about his President Adams, and people are eager to claim, “This is the worst it’s been since…”, but, do you remember things with Nixon or Reagan to the point of BDS, of wholesale making up stuff, of being busy claiming stuff that actually hurt US interests? How about sending the kind of resources to Alaska trying to dig up dirt on Palin?

    It seems to me that prior to 2000, even though there were bitter fights at times, I don’t recall the wholesale misrepresentation of so many things by liberals, nor candidates being out right pathological liars like Gore and Kerry (lie “even when you don’t have to”).

    I think the opposition will continue to make up stuff if they have to in order to make the next Repub candidate seem totally repulsive. Whether the person can rise above it better than Palin, or whether Palin still being out there actually reflects a degree of success that others will have a hard time matching, I don’t know.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  164. And unlike that silly CNN slide, she wasn’t the defacto candidate, but the de jure one. What I have seen in the last two years, that will culminate tomorrow, has really shocked me, On the one hand,I fear so much disembodied resentment stirred up by the press, that does have a way of leading to violent outburst, the hanging in effigy in W, Hollywood and the setting ablaze of her church,ia just a small example. OTH, she is so sincere, so honest and forthwright, it’s hard to see another carrying the message

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  165. Did anyone else see those stupid haters in DC today declaring their bigotry and hatred, including the biggest hater and bigot Sara Palin? Heck, there must have been 10 or so.

    Ag80 (2f74a7)

  166. I wrote this earlier in response to technomad’s insane drivvel:

    I’m not sure I’m reading Technomad’s insane writings properly.

    If Bristol had been my daughter, she’d have had a choice: “You can choose A, or B. A is for Abortion; B is for Burial—after a closed-casket ceremony, of course. What I plan to do in the event of B, even the Michelangelo of undertakers couldn’t make presentable.”

    Is that (A) You murder your baby or (B) I brutally murder you? Is that what the insane Technomad just said? Or did I read that incorrectly?

    Technomad responded to my (and others’) concern thusly:

    Since when have I had a problem with ending lives, of all things? And since I don’t consider abortion to be murder or anything like it, that’s not a problem anyway.

    So he states he does not consider abortion murder. But he still leaves that “option B” lurking about, where he would brutally murder his daughter in such a horrendous fashion that it would be impossible to have an open-casket service after he was done with his daughter because she chose not to abort her baby (that she might well rightly consider murder).

    So, in essence, technomad is a family annihilator waiting to happen.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  167. ag80, Yes I did see it. Glenn Beck admitted one of his racist bigoted hater TEA Party right-wing radical political anti-Obama speakers was none other than “gasp” an organizer for the BHO for prez ’08 campaign! Talk about right-wing radicalism and the destruction of MLK’s name!

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  168. “but, do you remember things with Nixon or Reagan to the point of BDS, of wholesale making up stuff, of being busy claiming stuff that actually hurt US interests?”

    Yeah, it was about the same then as it was when Bush was president. Endless lies and distortions by the lefties; endless doubledealing, up to and including out and out treason by the Dems and their supporters.

    The Democrats were relatively a lot more powerful then, so they were actually able to drive Nixon out of office, and the media was damn near 100% liberal Democrat. No Fox News. No Internet in those days. That’s different. Not too much else has changed.

    Nixon was regarded as one of the greatest villains of all time, and Reagan was generally considered to be a boderline psycho, and unelectable at a national level…and then along came Jimmy Carter!

    Dave Surls (83b2cc)

  169. One can’t forget that the Kennedy’s including Ted, told the Russians not to trust Reagan, and he nearly went along with a Soviet campaign of trying
    to block Reagan’s missile expansion in Western Europe

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  170. Boy, I could fill these pages with my poor opinion of Nixon. You guys would think I was taking the happyfeet shtick to the next level. I cannot stand that man’s body of work.

    Dave’s right, though. This idea that Palin is already toast is not in line with history. I prefer a few other people (and I have in my head a standard that no one seems to be approaching, even though it’s a pretty reasonable standard). But Palin will win the nomination if she wants to (IMO). In the general, she will fare worse than … a lot of other candidates would. But that doesn’t mean she would lose, and I still prefer her to several of these other candidates.

    Which is no surprise, since most of the contenders in 2008 were dreadful. This Republican Party needs a tune up.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  171. “Boy, I could fill these pages with my poor opinion of Nixon.”

    Dustin – Just pause a minute and think about how that opinion was formed, through the reporting of liberal media and writings of liberal historians.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  172. Which is no surprise, since most of the contenders in 2008 were dreadful. This Republican Party needs a tune up.

    No argument here. I voted in the Ohio Primaries in 2008, when the nomination was already sewn up. And I voted for a candidate that had dropped out a long time previous (relatively speaking): Fred Thompson. Absolutely the only problem with Fred Thompson is he’s too cranial for the hyped-on-emotion electorate to vote for. Nowadays, you need a candidate who is fully versed in the 90s culture of “gimme the juice” corporate fluffery. And that’s a shame, possibly the demise, for the US.

    I would not complain one single bit if Fred Thompson were Prez. And I would not complain one single bit if Tommy Thompson were veep under whichever true conservative was elected. But I don’t really want Tommy as the head cheese.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  173. Oh, I have problems with Nixon. He should’ve decidedly won Vietnam by actually deploying beyond Vietnam into the next-door-neighbors where the terrorists were instead of surrendering away the victory for freedom. He should’ve also given up his narcissism.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  174. Dustin,

    Nixon arguably was our greatist president

    He started the research on all our modern weapon systems paving the way to Reagans ability to expand the military, Nixon balanced the budget, held back the great society, and carved china way from the soviet sphere of influence. His harshness with cambodia and N Vietnam startled the communist so much that they strategically reployed 1/3 of their military to Asia, relieving NATO which was looking at a more agitated situation along the border

    And he saved israel

    hated for his withholding spending the Watergate incident was exploded into something to stop the power of a determined president

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  175. I liked Fred too, he was my fallback after Guiliani,
    It’s interesting there was a whole crop of Governorsfrom Midwestern states touted in the early 90s, (Thompson and Engler, among them) that never really went anywhere, because of the ‘heart pounding excitement’ of Bob Dole, yes sarcasm is fully intended.

    Nixon because of his dour disposition, was easy to paint as some kind of ghoul. His mismanagement withwage and price controls, approving the EPA, and a whole list of other initiatives, never seems to really fit into the picture

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  176. sorry that was carved china away and strategically redeployed

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  177. I have to admit, I’m not very well versed on Nixon. I was alive when he was elected. I vaguely knew about Ford during that time. I became politically aware during Carter (oh, what a mess he was, not to mention his brother Jimmy, who was even more of a mess), and cast my first vote for the re-election of Reagan.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  178. And, hoo-boy, did I have to hold my nose to vote for Dole! What a stinker candidate he was!

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  179. Ian

    Nixon approved the EPA because it was needed – what happened to it after – blame the dems – it was one of the most effective agencies until th dems exploded its authority under no less than Ronald Reagan

    Also Nixon imposed the wage and price freeze to prevent deflationary situation as we were leaving the gold standard

    it was/is widely seen as the correct call

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  180. His getting us off the gold standard, that has had consequences to this day, wage and price controls not only didn’t work, they led to hyperinflation, the breakthrough with China, put us on the same side
    as the Khmer Rouge, but yes he was better than
    McGovern or Humphrey

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  181. While I would not be as effusive as EricPW, I think Nixon is unduly vilified through biased motives.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  182. “but yes he was better than
    McGovern or Humphrey”

    Ian – And Carter.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  183. ian,

    when Nixon resigned the dems ran wild fully enacting the great society – also the gold standard was effectively ended by FDR in 1932

    the hyperinflation was quelled by th price and wage control – WHICH – is controversial but is almost TOTALLY accepted as the only method of stopping financial disasters

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  184. Except the inflation happened after the wage and price controls were eased, this enabled OPEC the excuse to repeg the price of oil in ’73, you would
    think you would know this, he did us no favors in that regard

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  185. “the breakthrough with China, put us on the same side as the Khmer Rouge,”

    ian – ?After Sihanouk was overthrown in 1970, he went into exile in Beijing. He threw in his lot with the Khmer Rouge from there. We continue to support his anticommunist successor, Lon Nol until 1975, when the Khmer Rouge won.

    Not sure what you mean.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  186. Prior to the OPEC repeg of the price of oil, a barrel of oil cost a bushel of wheat.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  187. Nixon never balanced the budget.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  188. The Khmer Rouge, were under an umbrella effort, with prince Sihanouk in China, after ’73 with Cooper Church, we had abandoned Lon Nol, as we
    seem to be doing with Karzai now, as his last communique indicated

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  189. ian – Cooper Church, retricting U.S. operations in Indo-China or face defunding, was passed by Congress over Nixon’s veto threat. It was not something he supported. It weakened our position at the Paris Peace talks.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  190. I was providing the context to my previous statement, Daley, We would have had the same fate
    as Cooper Church, if the Petraues strategy had not been allowed to succeed, we have learned something
    in nearly 40 years. I’m relating events that happened when I was a wee lad, from Shawcross’s
    “Sideshow” which formed the template for the Killing
    Fields, and swimming to Cambodia

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  191. “I was providing the context to my previous statement, Daley”

    ian – Fine, but Nixon opening relations with China did not put us on the same side as the Khmer Rouge, which was your initial statement. Democrats defunding our operations in Indo-China prevented us from fulfilling our Treaty obligations and allowed South Vietnam and Cambodia to fall into communist hands much more quickly than they otherwise might have. There are direct parallels to today in Afghanistan and what they wanted to do in Iraq.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  192. _______________________________________________

    Nixon because of his dour disposition, was easy to paint as some kind of ghoul. His mismanagement withwage and price controls, approving the EPA, and a whole list of other initiatives, never seems to really fit into the picture

    The two politicians attached to and who both cast long shadows on the Republican Party — Nixon and Herbert Hoover — interestingly and ironically enough were rather liberal or quite squishy in their politics. I believe there was even a bit of talk back in the 1920s-1930s as to whether Hoover really was all that committed to being registered as a Republican.

    I recall a very liberal — even an ultra-liberal — former columnist of the LA Times, Robert Scheer, doing a retrospective piece several years ago that gushed about and tinkled all over Nixon. Since the left is often a lousy judge of people and situations, that’s par for the course.

    The character flaws (ie, thin-skinned) that would make Nixon not a good fit for a major political office were hinted at back in the 1960s. That’s when he became furious at the LA Times, NOT for running negative pieces about him but for NOT providing overtly pro-Nixon, pro-Republican coverage. Prior to that — and the arrival of the Times’ then-new publisher — the paper had a long-time reputation for being very biased to the right—which illustrates how things have flipped around, and gone from one extreme to the other.

    Mark (411533)

  193. I still like Nixon, he was dogged by the fact that he pulled away the left’s veil with Alger Hiss, and he defeated Helen Gahagan Douglas, and the left never left him forget that fact.they did steal an election from him, so that might make you a little bitter. He didn’t fare as well in comparison with Kennedy, who was mostly veneer (who does that sound like)There is that hard scrabble background that appeals to me, He ended up winding down as best he could, a war he had little real responsibility in forming, against those who had created the mess.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  194. ian – I just want to get the facts straight.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  195. Daley, the Chinese backed the Khmer Rouge, who were’Maoists in a hurry,’ through Prince Sihanouk, that regretably put us in the same side. It was an unintended consequence of the Mao deal, later post ’78, the CIA backed a anti Vietnamese coalition that included the Khmer Rouge

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  196. I liked quite a bit of Nixon’s actions, but unfortunately he became the poster boy for not getting killed by the crime itself, but the cover – up. I’m convinced that if he had come forward and taken responsibility for the Watergate break – in he would have survived, albeit weakened. I don’t know what EPWJ is talking about concerning his wage and price controls, that was an unmitigated disaster, and his appointment of Connelly proved that Nixon cared little about domestic politics, it was never his strong suit.

    And we would have easily won in Vietnam if the Dems hadn’t pulled the rug out from under our funding – no less an authority than General Giap admitted that it could have been ended in less than three months after the initial Paris Peace talks. The Vietnamese were stunned at their incredible piece of good luck after Church’s treachery.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  197. “through Prince Sihanouk, that regretably put us in the same side.”

    ian – I don’t see it that way when we explicitly supported the anti-communist Lon Nol. Does not compute.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  198. The ’74 congress was a disaster, almost as big as
    the ’06 one, Waxman, Leahy, Dodd, it’s was a hive
    of villainy like Mos Eiseley, they cut off any funds
    to the RVN, ran rampant on domestic and foreign security services,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  199. “Dustin,

    Nixon arguably was our greatist president”

    With some strange commenters, it’s hard to know if they are just crazy or actually dishonest. With EPWJ, there is no doubt, whatsoever, that he’s not here to discuss in good faith.

    I don’t feel like relitigating Nixon. I am not surprised the Murkowski worshiping, Scozzafava loving, and any reasonable conservative bashing, moby nutcase, wants to pretend Nixon is the greatest president ever. It’s a great way to ‘support’ a republican without actually doing so.

    It’s pathetic EPWJ won’t just argue his actual democrat points. It’s proven that EPWJ simply lies, with no limitations.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  200. I’m not bashing Nixon for watergate or vietnam (though I think those are huge strikes against him *of course*). He’s a big government progressive. His administrators were rulers, not leaders. His government intervention is responsible for many huge changes in American health, the economy, etc.

    Just one example, of many, is how his Ag Secretary decided that the price of food was a political issue that the government should intervene and control. Long story short, there’s a reason people were thin before his admin and are fat now, and that reason is corn.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  201. BTW, the one man who has most reminded me of Nixon, over the years, is John Mccain.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  202. Isn’t it about time for some NEW news to discuss?

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  203. Well, I guess we could discuss Beck’s rally yesterday – but although the attendees went with the best of intentions, I honestly dislike the guy on a personal basis. He was on Fox this morning talking about God, God, GOD – and his false humility is beyond nauseating at this point. Even when I agree with him, I still get queasy – just another radio Drama Queen, it’s all about him all the time, and that constant crying is a pathetic attempt to draw even more attention to himself. He’s also completely bi – polar regarding most of his behavior, and his past addictions don’t help his tale of personal redemption, since his ego is still all – consuming.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  204. Apologies for the rant, but I’m obviously sick of the guy.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  205. Thank you all for responding to my query at #160. I was certainly younger, more politically naive (I always believed “grandpa Walter”), and without the benefit of the internet or talk radio back then.

    So, I guess consensus is BDS and PDS are nothing new, just more readily identifiable. That, and perhaps the public as a whole is less adequately educated and cannot tell logic from BS. And the idea of the Dems circling the wagons to protect their own was well established with the Kennedys.

    In any event, it seems a person has to be very driven, very called, and/or a masochist to run for major political office. If nothing of significance happens positive for Obama, I think chances would be reasonable for Palin or another “outside of the establishment” person to ride the tide of “common folk” who’ve had enough.

    As far as Nixon goes, indeed, in so many ways he was anything but a conservative, fell because of a cover-up of something he probably had nothing to do with, and proves the point that “just because you are paranoid it doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you”. I’ve read where the head of the Joint Chiefs used a low ranked officer who was in the President’s inner circle of workers to spy on the President (I’m thinking it might have been Alexander Haig, long before he was a general).

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  206. Well there are times that Beck, can be too Howard Beale, for Howard Beale, but he has proven valuable
    in bringing to light many of the administrations schemers and artifices. I prefer Rush generally, but
    he has his uses, and serving as a rallying point is one.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  207. Dmac go nutzo
    channel Olbermann in ad
    hominem rant fest

    HiKuHowAreYou? (397f30)

  208. Although I don’t watch either, from the clips I see on the internet, I much prefer Glenn Beck to the unstable Ed Schultz.

    The liberal elite was certainly grinding their collective teeth yesterday over the size of Beck’s rally. Funny how most coverage felt it necessary to point out how “white” the crowd was.

    Luckily, Jim Treacher reminds us of a short quote:

    “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” — Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Heh, for the libs, it’s all race, all the time.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  209. The rally was nice – well meaning people doing well meaning things

    Beck has been riding an astonishing wave of popularity and now is being touted as a national figure for all of our children to be subjected to.

    AS well as Palin.

    ITs interesting the absolute power that many are affected by in both main stream presses

    interesting or disturbing

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  210. Sheesh Patterico–how long are you going to leave little Levi Johnston hanging out on the clothesline as a pinata! Right now there are more than 200 whacks at the guy. It’s true he deserves 500 or so, but have a little mercy!

    How bout a new post on Mother Teresa–or something, so we can get the nasty odor of Levi out of the blog?

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  211. There’s got to be something stupid, Rainey, Rutten,
    Hilzik, Morrison (Patti) wrote in the last few days, that’ imminently fiskable

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  212. Forget the “liberal elite”; the AP felt it necessary to point out, in the FIRST sentence of its story, that the crowd was “predominantly white”. Followed later by “A group of civil rights activists organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton held a counter rally at a high school, then embarked on a three-mile march to the site of a planned monument honoring King.” No word on the racial makeup of that group. Apparently — in THAT case — it did not matter.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  213. but he has proven valuable in bringing to light many of the administrations schemers and artifices.

    See, I agree with this statement – particularly his highlighting of the unprecedented power grab regarding all of the “czars.” But the method of delivery and the medium delivering it is the problem for me.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  214. I might have to jump on Dustin’s bandwagon when it comes to you, EPWJ. Nixon NEVER balanced the budget, and it was totally wrong for you to say that he did.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  215. The liberal assclowns I know in Miami and Palm Beach are going bonkers bashing “racist KKK” Beck. One silly baitch insists the crowd was a mere 2500.
    How do they rationalize MLK’s niece speaking to a crowd a crackers? I guess she is an aunt Thomasina since she is pro-life and was ok with the racist rally.

    Levi is the sort of jerk who belongs on shows like Real Housewives of New Jersey. In his case it might be Real A$$holes of Alaska.

    aoibhneas (47f3ae)

  216. Jennifer Rubin of Commentary sums up my feelings about the rally, but says it much better than I could:

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  217. Icy

    Considering the war and the effects of going off the gold standard – the oil embargo – the escalations in the middle east and in Europe – as compared to today with Democrat majorities – Nixon did a remarkable job as he had a war with over 4 to 6 times the numbers of troops engaged that the wars in Arabia

    This is called a fact here are the tables

    Look at the post Nixon era with a lowered military budget – its clear the Democrats wanted to get Nixon out of the way and paved the way for an out of control largess

    Got to be careful to listen to people who write nice things about people like Bill White, Ronnie Earl and Chris Bell and make statements that they loath conservatives that are larger than life that have done outstanding jobs

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  218. One silly baitch insists the crowd was a mere 2500.
    — Tell her to go to HuffPo (i’m sure she has it bookmarked) and check out the undoctored photo on the home page. If you can’t trust Arianna, darlink, who can you trust?

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  219. “Nixon NEVER balanced the budget, and it was totally wrong for you to say that he did.”

    Icy – I see now EricPW beat me to it. I was going to point out that I believed Nixon presented a balanced budget for 1969, although it may not have survived in that form.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  220. Straight from the numbers in the report you linked to, EPWJ:
    1970 -8.7 billion
    1971 -26.1 billion
    1972 -26.1 billion
    1973 -15.2 billion
    1974 -7.2 billion

    Was he more responsible than most? Absolutely. But he NEVER balanced the budget.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  221. I am also keeping an eye on an ACORN style voter registration fraud in Houston by a supposedly “nonpartisan” outfit run by a former SEIU honcho. Coincidentally all the electronic voting machines in Houston burned in a mysterious warehouse fire at the end of the week.

    I question the timing!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  222. Excuse me, daleyrocks, but Nixon took office on January 20th, 1969. That year’s budget had been submitted by his predecessor.

    I will agree on EPWJ’s point that, given all he had to deal with, Nixon kept his deficits relatively low.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  223. Nixon’s Wage & Price Controls….
    EPWJ’s mis-understanding of economics and history is only exceeded by his complete lack of understanding of politics.

    “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  224. Excuse me Icy, you are correct that the fiscal 1969 budget was Johnson’s. I am looking the budget which Nixon submitted early in 1969.

    Here is an excerpt from his Fiscal 1971 Annual budget message to Congress in which he sumitted a budget with a surplus:

    Annual Budget Message to the Congress, Fiscal Year 1971.
    February 2, 1970

    “To the Congress of the United States:

    I have pledged to the American people that I would submit a balanced budget for 1971. This is particularly necessary because the cost of living has been rising rapidly for the past five years.

    The budget I send to you today–the first for which I bear full responsibility as President–fulfills that pledge.

    Outlays are estimated at $200.8 billion, with receipts at $202.1 billion, yielding a surplus of $1.3 billion.”

    daleyrocks (940075)

  225. Icy

    Your numbers you posted were incorrect the actual numbers were much smaller

    1970 was a -2.8 billion or less than 1% of GDP
    1971 was a -23 billion mostly caused by a 10 billion dollar drop in Revenue due to a mild crash in the economy
    1972 was a -23.4 billion
    1973 was a -14.9 billion
    1974 was a -6.1 billion

    if you followed the drop if Nixon had been in power

    1975 would have been 2.5 billion surplus
    1976 would have been a 10.0 billion surplus

    Also look at the Debt it grew in the 6 years under Nixon with a HUGE war from 283 to 395 billion in 6 years or 4.7% per year

    in the Dem controlled 6 years of Peace without Vietnam the debt grew from 395 to 789 billion

    without a war with a peace dividend start treaties dismantling of nuclear sites – the debt almost doubled and grew at over 8.0%

    Another way to look at it the masive war spending in Vietnam limited national growth from 186 billion to 279 billion or about 5.5% revenue growth under Nixon per year

    After the war spending lifted the economy in the 70’s soared from 279 to 599 Billion or 8.9% per year – no war

    and they still ran up nearly twice the rate of deficits than Nixon saddled with the gold standard debacle, vietnam, the middle east, and the oil embargo

    so thats the way I see it

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  226. Comment by Mark — 8/29/2010 @ 9:16 am

    Nixon was raised, and educated, as a Quaker (BA-Whittier College), who constituted a large part of the Progressive/Pacifist community.
    In WW-2, as a Naval Officer, he was assigned to a part of the Govt that oversaw W & P Controls during the war –
    unfortunately, he didn’t learn the lesson he should have taken from his experience (probably too much legal training and not enough Economics).

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  227. “…Funny how most coverage felt it necessary to point out how “white” the crowd was…”

    If the crowd exactly mirrored the racial demographics of the U.S.Census, the media would carp about “how white” it was (ignoring how it wasn’t as “white” as the MSNBC newsroom).

    Says more about the media, than it does the crowd.

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  228. Icy – Johnson transmitted a fiscal 1970 budget to Congress on January 15, 1969 before he left office:


    The 1970 budget proposes total outlays of $195.3 billion, made up of $194.4 billion in expenditures and $0.9 billion for net lending.

    Budget receipts are estimated at $198.7 billion in 1970, including the effects of extending present income and excise tax rates.

    Accordingly, the budget surplus will be $3.4 billion.”

    daleyrocks (940075)

  229. No wonder they hate him, did everything they could to ruin him, this is why when people call Republicans Dem lite or write nice things about awful democrats – I shake my head at the total lack of knowledge of who actually did what

    You have to look at what happened

    People expected Bush with this

    1. The gutting of Wall Street after 9/11
    2. The silent attack on our economy by tripling the price of the lifeblood of our economy – oil
    3. 2 major and two minor Hurricanes in a 6 week period smashing Florida and parts of Georgia
    4 then Katrina
    5 If Katrina wasnt bad enough then Rita, which did even more Damage
    6 oh, then there were two wars

    I think the next decade after some of the heat of political brainwashing has faded scholars will marvel at Bush comparing some of what he did as Nixonian

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  230. People expected Bush with this – to balance the budget…


    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  231. Comment by daleyrocks — 8/29/2010 @ 1:43 pm

    Presenting a balanced budget, is a far cry from having a balanced budget…
    “I don’t care what he (insert name of GOP President) sends up here, it’s dead on arrival.”
    -spoken by various Dem Speaker’s of the House/Sen.Maj.Leader’s/various Cmte Chairmen!

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  232. AD

    Then why are you blaming Nixon?

    Who told him it was dead?

    Why I believe it was the Democrat Party

    What Nixon did was let them do what they wanted – he withheld funding for those programs

    and almost went to jail for it

    sounds like Nixon loved his country

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  233. Both Johnson, and Nixon (among others), used recision in attempting to discipline the spending proclivities of Congress (controlled by the Dems in both cases). In no case was there ever any danger of the President being incarcerated for this action, particularly as it was upheld by the Supreme Court when the Congress sued the Executive over this action (when Johnson did it, they just swallowed hard as they knew that any action on their part would result in a bushel of whoop-ass on his part – LBJ gave new meaning to the term “Hardball”).
    This SCOTUS decision resulted in the inclusion in the Base-Line Budgeting Act (passed after Nixon’s resignation) of anti-recision language that specifically directed the Executive to spend the funds appropriated by the Congress, in the manner that the Congress directed in the enabling legislation.
    Once again, your memory of events is seriously flawed, Mr. Spicoli!

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  234. AD

    We disagree, Johnson was a democrat and except for Eisenhower, there had not been a republican president for over 4 decades…. and a full republican congress for even a longer perioid of time

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  235. AD

    Its been fun talking politics thank you have a great rest of the weekend

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  236. It is always hilarious to see someone have such adamant opinions based entirely on “facts” that just are not true – and then watch the opinion continue on despite the complete refutation of the “facts”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  237. The GOP controlled both sides of The Hill in 1947-49, and 1953-55 (Joe Martin, R-Mass, was Speaker both times).

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  238. AD

    You have to not only all 3 but at least 57 to 60 in the Senate

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  239. Mr. Spicoli, it was a different time, and the place was run differently (it took 67 votes to cut off a filibuster at that time);
    plus, Mr. Eisenhower was at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 1953
    (in case you have a difficult time remembering – not unusual with extensive recreational pharmacology).

    So, in light of all of the above, how about a nice hot cup of STFU?

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  240. Dmac – I’m with you on Beck. There is quite a bit of his political stuff I agree with. The history stuff he does is usually right on.

    Still, most of the time when I listen to him (His Fox show in my car on XM) I’m left feeling bloated on his emotions, I mean – does that guy also have ovaries or something? I do not trust him, something is off, wrong. Something.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  241. AD

    Okay, it was a nice conversation. I’m sorry I offended you I thought you knew the 83rd was a tie but really wasnt as it changed hands several times during its 2 year stint

    Te 83rd was the most turbulent congress, not only because of the tie but also 9 senators died and one resigned so the republicans never really had total control

    Some say Eisenhower was a registered democrat until the I like Ike movement started drafting him then he changed his affiliation

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  242. AD

    THis also shows that the republicans never ever had full legislative control for decade after decade after decade

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  243. “Presenting a balanced budget, is a far cry from having a balanced budget…”

    AD – RtR/OS! – No. Really? Perhaps that is why you did not reference my entire sentence from the comment in question which introduces the subject you raise. Yes. Really.

    “I was going to point out that I believed Nixon presented a balanced budget for 1969, although it may not have survived in that form.”

    daleyrocks (940075)

  244. Same exact behavior. Its like a fungus.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  245. In what world does submitting a balanced budget constitute having an actual balanced budget?

    JD (3dc31c)

  246. I do not trust him, something is off, wrong. Something.

    I honestly do think he’s bi – polar, Vivian. Unfortunately, I have quite a lengthy experience with the illness via members of my family and other relatives. It’s probably quite mild, since he seems to function well – but if he’s not on some kind of meds I’d be surprised. His prior drug use could also indicate the need to self – medicate before he was properly diagnosed – and his mood swings resemble the mania aspects of the illness.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  247. I don’t particularly care for Beck. There is prolly a good message in there somewhere, but it gets lost in the delivery for me. He sure does drive the leftist krazy.

    JD (3dc31c)

  248. “In what world does submitting a balanced budget constitute having an actual balanced budget?”

    JD – Who made this claim?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  249. I was not referring to you, daleyrocks. I was referring to the original asspull by EPWJ, that he has studiously tried to walk back without acknowledging that his original asspull was just that.

    JD (3dc31c)

  250. JD

    Nixon balanced the budget, oh well

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  251. That was what I was referring to, daleyrocks. Presenting a balanced budget and actually balancing a budget simply are not the same thing.

    JD (3dc31c)

  252. JD – Sorry. I thought you were referring to AD’s comment about my comment where I thought I clearly acknowledged there was a difference. I was off years and did not know Johnson snuck in a budget before he left office at the beginning of 1969 for fiscal 1970.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  253. Beck has mentioned a number of times that he has ADD which accounts for some of his weaving around on topics. He has mentioned in the past about prolonged periods of trouble sleeping which would go along with bipolar, especially a milder form.

    His show has always had more of an “entertainment” aspect to it totally apart from politics, and he certainly has days where he is just skewering some liberal topic with sarcasm. So he is more inflammatory than some in his style.

    I think he has been educating himself as he’s covered politics and has a bit of genuine, “Holy moley, you’ve got to be kidding me!!” reaction to things he learns.

    One way to cope with ADD, especially if not recognized, is to become the “class clown”, non-stop one-liners, etc. to entertain. So you see that with seriousness superimposed on it, I think.

    I do think he is pretty sincere about putting character and truthful policies first not partisan politics. I think he is truly grateful to have a chance to “do something with his life” after he had made a wreck of it, which he freely admits to. And he seems humble enough about it to me, in that he doesn’t put himself out as some kind of example of greatness in pulling himself up by his bootstraps.

    Of course, I could be wrong, but I’ve spotted more sophisticated sociopaths than others in my circles.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  254. daleyrocks – if EPWJ told me it was raining outside, I would kick him in the teeth for trying to piss on my leg.

    JD (3dc31c)

  255. JD, no kidding. The guy is an absolutely shameless liar. Not that I care. He can moby till he’s blue in the face if that’s the best thing he can find to do with his time.

    It’s just more evidence that the hard left is going to do whatever it can.

    And as far as Beck goes, I like his stuff sometimes. He’s just too flamboyant for my tastes. There are very few people out there whose criticism of the administration has yielded as many results. The White House has little int he way of checks and balances, but they live in fear of Mr Beck. It was their (misplaced) fear of Beck that caused them to fire that bigot, Sherrod, making a small story into a huge one.

    These days, I’ll take whatever checks and balance on the admin I can get.

    No doubt, EPWJ is Beck’s #1 fan, but as a concerned conservative is concerned that he’s vaguely selling out a little. And Nixon is the bestest president (I’m laughing my ass off about his constant freaking out over a certain other politician’s resignation, when Nixon is the bestest president he’s ever known). He’s probably about 15 years old, so I guess he doesn’t really understand how obviously fake he comes across.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  256. Sheesh Patterico–how long are you going to leave little Levi Johnston hanging out on the clothesline as a pinata!

    Yes! We need you, or DRJ,or Jack Dunphy … Hope you’re OK!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  257. Dustin, the point of EPWJ’s act has never been clear to me. EPWJ knows that he’s repeatedly discredited himself and yet continues to do so again and again. It is never a mystery that he’ll do it again in each thread he attends.

    His goal is the only mystery.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  258. Not that there’s anything wrong with takig a whack at Levi.

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  259. He can moby till he’s blue in the face

    If he actually fits the definition below, then he has me fooled. I normally can spot a leftist pretending to be a rightist from a mile away.

    Moreover, in the age of the Internet — where a million forums exist that allow people to post their POVs on anything and everything, from music to sports, from movies to food — I’m constantly reminded of the notion that when 10 people are gathered together in a room, you’ll find 10 different opinions.

    Actually, I’ve had more suspicions about happyfeet and his take on matters involving Sarah Palin, Shirley Sherrod and same-sex marriage.

    1. moby

    An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.

    The term is derived from the name of the liberal musician Moby, who famously suggested in February of 2004 that left-wing activists engage in this type of subterfuge: “For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you’re an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion. Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, ‘What’s all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?’”

    Mark (411533)

  260. Sorry about the confusion daley, I got set off by Mr. Spicoli’s remarks, and I really resent that so much of the “balanced budget” meme (particularly when it comes to WJC) is total, absolute, BS!
    And, FY-1969, AIR, is the last time that the U.S.Govt actually paid down a bit of the National Debt (I think they actually call that a “surplus”, where you end up with money after paying all the bills).

    AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9)

  261. “Sorry about the confusion daley”

    AD – Sorry for snapping. I was reading up on some Nixon stuff earlier and got a bogus citation – I believe it was from a Frum book on 1969. Icy was entirely correct that fiscal 1969 was L.B. Johnson, but where I was thrown was Johnson sneaking in a budget for fiscal 1970.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  262. Mark, he’s certainly not truthful. That much I already proved in this thread. If he has you fooled as to his honesty, then you haven’t been paying attention (which is understandable).

    As far as whether he’s a Moby or not, there is also no doubt. He comes into threads to point out how there is some massive horrible problem with some conservative. It’s always fiction.

    That’s what the artist, Moby, asked people to do… go into threads, pose as a conservative, and then point out some problem they made up or otherwise express concern about some conservative politician. I knew EPWJ would bash Joe Miller or Hoffman. I know he’ll bash whoever the GOP nominee is in 2012 and whoever is in the tightest races in November this year. I knew he’d bash Breitbart and O’Keefe and many other conservatives who are targeted by the rabid left.

    I also knew he’d support some of the worst ‘conservatives’. People like Scozzafava or Murkowski. Nixon’s a surprise, but he’s been obsessed with me for a while and was just saying the opposite of what I said. Another good example, though, of filling in his conservative pose so that he could later rely on that ‘he’s a real concerned conservative’ persona to more credibly sell a fantasy.

    SPQR (and I) find it mysterious that, after being exposed many times as simply making up lies about the right, that he keeps it up. But some people just don’t notice, or don’t remember all the false rumors he has attempted to spread. I’m not meaning to diss you by saying that, but if you’re reasonable, and you have paid attention, then you simply must agree that EPWJ has zero credibility or integrity. That much I’ve proven beyond doubt.

    That’s more time discussing him than it’s worth.

    Happyfeet could be argued to meet much of your definition, if you’re not very charitable, but I don’t recall him actually spreading false rumors. That is the really nasty aspect of mobying, in my book. The nasty and offensive aspect of your definition just doesn’t get a rise out of me like the false rumors EPWJ loves to spread.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  263. Also, my real issue isn’t EPWJ. I actually am glad he’s here because he’s such a blatant example.

    People should realize that, for sad reasons, a lot of commenters are frauds. You basically have to verify anything you read, even if it comes from someone you think is on your side and sounds reasonable most of the time.

    Obviously, EPWJ is not professional at astroturf (maybe he’s just a weird troll), but astroturf is a major industry that was innovated largely by the White House’s current political strategist. The more insidious campaigns will not resemble happyfeet pissing everyone off, but rather will pretend to be conservative while complaining about actual conservatives. You won’t see these guys making deep theoretical arguments, but rather stubbornly sticking to some made up facts (gee, who does that resemble?). Does that stuff work? The professionals have decided it does.

    Does that mean we shouldn’t trust eachother very much? Yep.

    I’m glad this is just a Levi thread, so I don’t feel as guilty as usual. I don’t know what sickness allows Levi or EPWJ to shamelessly lie, long after credibility is gone, and I hope I never really understand it. Awareness is enough.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

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  265. Does that mean we shouldn’t trust eachother very much? Yep.

    As Glenn Beck says, “Question with boldness even the existence of [Providence].” And Beck admits that is a Jefferson quote.

    Question with boldness even the existence of [Providence]; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

    Now, there are leftists who say things like “Show me the proof or admit you are a liar!!!!!1111oneoneon” I have to deal with one of those on a very regular basis. That leftist has no interest in actual facts, as proven by his heavy usage of the “poof” in threads where the proof is given, and by his incessant demands that he need not give proof of his own assertions when proof is demanded. Those are not the people Jefferson was talking to. Those are frauds.

    But I have spoken with a liberal or two who actually are interested in getting down to facts. Sometimes they ask for source material, sometimes they seek it out themselves. I had one who claimed that one of the Founders wanted to make Christianity the State-sponsored religion back in the 18th century. When I stated categorically not, he did his own research. He was very much interested in proving me wrong but he found that I was right, and stated so in no uncertain terms. He’s still a leftist nutjob, but he’s an honest leftist nutjob.

    “The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”
    –James Madison

    It is good to be skeptical of anyone’s assertions. But the difference today is that most leftists will dismiss anything the right says without actually doing any research while at the same time demanding their own positions must be accepted without doing any research.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  266. Oh, and there’s a reason I no longer respond to the grade-school mobyism EPWJ dishes out: The only time I see what EPWJ wrote is when somebody else quotes him. And I really wish people would quit quoting him so I wouldn’t have to see his insane drivel.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  267. JD is right: presenting a balanced budget and achieving a balanced budget are two different things. Again, the fact that Nixon aimed for this, and — relatively speaking — came close to achieving it, speaks well of him; but, HE DID NOT BALANCE THE BUDGET. [He also never presented a budget “for” 1969. Sorry to be so precise, daleyrocks, but that was the part of your comment what threw me.]

    EPWJ stepped on a rake AGAIN with his comment #222, in which he cited the better-appearing smaller deficit numbers; the ones that factor in the so-called “Social Security surplus”. Y’all will have to excuse me if I don’t count money that the federal gov’t OWES to the citizens of the United States as revenue; it’s an outlay that they’re holding onto for awhile.

    Icy Texan (397f30)

  268. Maye instead of whining so much – maybe Dustin can tell us why he admires Bill White, Chris Bell and Ronnie Earl again

    And then he can tell us why he loaths and detests Perry, Dewhurst, and Delay

    but he’s not a democrat…

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  269. Some say Eisenhower was a registered democrat until the I like Ike movement started drafting him then he changed his affiliation
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/29/2010 @ 6:05 pm

    — This is the one that you will rue the day for having written.

    Eisenhower was being courted by both the Democrats and Republicans because the career military man, who wasn’t registered as anything (because he had no interest in politics, and had never even voted!) was popular, but had not expressed any political affiliation publicly one way or the other.

    “I could never imagine feeling any compelling duty in connection with a Democratic movement of any kind.”
    — Diary entry, September 25th, 1951

    At this point I would be calling you a liar, but that’s Dustin’s job. I’m just gonna sit back and watch as you continue to step on rakes.

    Icy Texan (4c28a3)

  270. It all starts with Somesay the Strawman. Somesay is the liar. Somesay lies all the time.

    Is it murder to kill a strawman?

    If they only had a brain…

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  271. The wider point of this thread, is the understanding of truth, and does it matter anymore. for some like EPJW and the mad pikachu, not if it conflicts with their preexisting opinions, for others it is a paramount issue.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  272. LOL, EPWJ, at your ‘attack’ on me. Click me link, way above, if you care to see my reaction to it. I do have some criticisms for some Republicans (not that I loathe them) and I do praise some Democrats. I’m straight forward about it the basis for such comments.

    EPWJ wants to pretend that this basic and somewhat non-partisan honesty on my part is similar to the way he criticized many Republicans. There is this tiny, subtle, itsy bitsy difference. My points, pro and con, refer to things that I believe really happened. EPWJ’s rumors about the right are often and even predictably made up. That’s what makes him a moby and me something less than a loyal republican. It’s a very dishonest defense on his part, but I don’t think I really need to defend myself from my stalker.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  273. [He also never presented a budget “for” 1969. Sorry to be so precise, daleyrocks, but that was the part of your comment what threw me.]

    Icy – I already admitted I was wrong on this a couple of times. Perhaps you missed them. Sorry again.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  274. BTW, all EPWJ’s crap aside, since it’s too tedious for people to sort through, I know a lot of Texans read this thread and realize I’m pretty conservative.

    I do like Bill White, the successful Houston mayor, but Rick Perry is a proven governor in a tough economy and redistricting is too important to let the democrats take the state. It’s a surprisingly close contest, considering the Tea Party conservative uprising is so strong in Texas, but all of you understand that Rick Perry is easy to criticize for a few reasons. I still hope we all go out and win him his race. I do not think Rick Perry has any potential as a national candidate, which is a shame given his impressive resume.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  275. And he seems humble enough about it to me, in that he doesn’t put himself out as some kind of example of greatness in pulling himself up by his bootstraps.

    OK, fair enough – but holding a rally at the Lincoln Memorial with yourself as the centerpiece, no matter the good intentions, doesn’t exactly lend credence to all the “humility” postures. I think the guy’s a genuine flake, and wish we had legitimate GOP spokespersons who could take his mantle and mold it in a manner more aggreeable to those not already on board with the message.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  276. Well where would you hold such a rally, in a more obscure place, less redolent of America’s traditions, I don’t agree with all of his conclusions, but it seems odd that what would seem relatively unobjectionable precepts, support for
    the military, for the constitution, and a return
    to faith; would be so much under attack,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  277. “I do like Bill White the successful”

    I dont know ANY Republicans and conservatives who even remotely consider Sanctuary Bill a “success”

    Please enlighten us

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)


    The Successfull Bill White – increasing taxes 4% to 5% every year while the city was losing residents fleeing taxation to the suburbs

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  279. More Success from Bill, the massive growth in public debt

    Got to remember that Houston has an extremely stable workforce and corporate structure – its hard to imagine the need to be increasing spending and debt in good times

    Unless of course you are considered “successful”

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  280. I don’t know ANY sentient people that think you are honest or sane. Please enlighten us.

    This is all coming from a person that supported Scozzafava, claiming her to be a Republican.

    JD (b549bd)

  281. JD

    I just did

    why should we listen to you a democrat?

    Wernt You the one repeating dem talking points that Republicans are Dem lites?

    I csnt fix ignorance just watch it

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  282. but it seems odd that what would seem relatively unobjectionable precepts, support for
    the military, for the constitution, and a return
    to faith; would be so much under attack,

    The objection is NOT with the message, but with the messenger. I fail to understand why that point keeps getting lost in translation.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  283. I csnt fix ignorance just watch it

    You spend a lot of time in front of a mirror, huh?

    This one is just too damn easy …

    JD (b549bd)

  284. Patrick, if you can try to smuggle a note from where they are hiding you, we will try to mount a rescue attempt. This Levi Johnson thing has to be some sort of ransom note.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  285. EPWJ, comedy gold.

    Unfortunately, your act got old long ago.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  286. JD

    Can you explain why you think Republicans are Democrats, just so everyone can see you for your stances

    and I know this could be asking alot – could you give a real reason?

    I’ll check back in a while

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  287. “Sheriff John Brown said Kill it before it grows” – Eric Clapt “I shot the thread sheriff”

    VOR2 (8e6b90)

  288. What happened to Patterico?

    kansas (7b4374)

  289. SPQR – It is like he feels compelled to continually beclown himself, in as public a manner as possible.

    JD (b549bd)

  290. Comment by Dmac — 8/30/2010 @ 7:38 am

    If the message is true, does it matter who the messenger is?
    Does a preconceived bias against the messenger change the truth of the facts presented?

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  291. Comment by kansas — 8/30/2010 @ 8:36 am

    It seems he has “pulled a Cheney”, and is vacationing in an undisclosed location.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  292. JD wont answer?


    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  293. There is nothing “interesting” about it, EPWJ. I also do not engage in conversation with the krazy drunk gibberish-speaking homeless guy downtown. Hey, are you him? The concept of conservative and Team R not being one in the same is far too nuanced for you.

    JD (4c20e2)

  294. JD…don’t feed the troll moby.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  295. OK, fair enough – but holding a rally at the Lincoln Memorial with yourself as the centerpiece, no matter the good intentions, doesn’t exactly lend credence to all the “humility” postures. I think the guy’s a genuine flake,
    Comment by Dmac

    You may be right, Dmac, but there was a reason he had it at the Lincoln Memorial, and it seemed to me he was “the centerpiece” largely as an emcee, he certainly made a point of putting forth other people for the attention they deserved for the examples they set. He could have tried talking someone else into doing it, but that would have meant talking someone else into being put on the line and taking the heat as well.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  296. The concept of conservative and Team R not being one in the same is far too nuanced for you.

    As it would be for you on Election Day, when you once again vote for the Team R.

    I mean, except when Rush tells you to vote for Hillary, which you did with consternation.

    Jd, you should read that New Yorker piece on the Koch brothers, so you can finally learn who the people are who control your voting and the information you accept as true. David Koch is quite the philanthropist. His brother Charles seems a little misanthropic, but one can be a public eccentric when one is an oligarch.

    I’ll leave the insults to you and yours.

    timb (449046)

  297. I see that timmie has renewed his membership in IATSE, and is practicing the art of projection again.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  298. JD still cant/wont explain why republicans are just democrats

    not surprized…

    I wonder why someone so opinionated about others wont voice his

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  299. Dustin

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  300. Well, I’ll do my part to push the comment count over 300.

    {tap, tap} testing 1, 2

    {tap} (is this thing on?) {tap}

    Is anyone out there?

    Patterico? Are you there?

    Forgot the blog did we? Exciting and eventful Sunday was it?

    Ok, now put down that hooker and get back to business.

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  301. Not quite enough.

    SO —- three hundredth!!!

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  302. Do I get a prize?


    jakee308 (e1996a)

  303. Not even close to a record, jake.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  304. okay now i am getting worried. its been 3 days since there has been a post on patterico.

    did he finally lose his mind reading this guy apologize for apoligizing?

    Oh, no, and there is his picture on a milk carton!

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  305. Timb – maybe you could tell me what channel Rush is on, and what time his show airs. It is apparently far more important to you and your fevered conspiracies about the Koch brothers. Did mediamatterz or thinkregress put you up to that?

    EPWJ – why do you insist on embarrassing yourself?

    JD (87c922)

  306. EricPWJohnson – I know this could be asking alot

    Are you asking JD or alot?

    Scrutineer (e1f362)

  307. If the message is true, does it matter who the messenger is?

    Yes it most definitely does, particularly in the 24/7 internet news cycle we live in today. The credibility and character of the messenger is incredibly important, lest anyone view their viewpoint via a haze of personality disorders.

    so you can finally learn who the people are who control your voting and the information you accept as true

    You mean like George Soros? I read that piece and laughed out loud, their indignation that a public viewpoint may be (horrors!) expressed and funded by rich individuals was not only ludicrous, it’s as if the author was living in a self – esconsed bubble in the Upper East Side. Timmah has never heard of this entity you call the MSM.

    Who’s Jeffrey Immelt, Timmah?

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  308. “…The credibility and character of the messenger is incredibly important, lest anyone view their viewpoint via a haze of personality disorders…”

    So, then I assume that you’re saying that no matter the truthfulness of the message, and how incontrovertable the facts contained therein,
    a messenger with “issues” cannot deliver a truthful message?

    I guess the “stopped clock” paradigm doesn’t, or can’t, apply?

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  309. …it seems that you just don’t wish to expend the energy to defend a truthful message from someone you have issues with, no matter the accuracy and veracity of that message.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  310. Let’s discuss a hypothetical for an example – if you agreed with Huckabee on some of his policy positions, would you like to see him be the standard bearer for the GOP in 2012? How about he does another TV ad, this one akin to his earlier effort, with crosses and burning candles in the background? Think that would get more potential voters into the GOP tent for November?

    I don’t want to watch a person who I find annoying deliver a message in any venue, whether or not I agree with it. That’s basic human nature, and if you don’t see the difference, then there’s no need to discuss this issue any further.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  311. F*ckabee is teh suck. Kind of like timmah and EPWJ.

    JD (8ded14)

  312. I don’t agree with Gov. Huckabee’s performance in office, and did not, and will not support his future political endeavors.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  313. JD’s still not posting why republicans are the dems?

    Huckabee had a horrible record, and he is a liar

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  314. JD – why cant you tell everyone why you think the Republicans are Dem lites?

    can spew obsenities constantly but ask for content…

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  315. the unemployed can be a surly bunch…

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  316. Can anyone that is not a gibbering gibbon point out exactly where I said Republicans are Democrats? Or is EPWJ just making things up again?

    JD (8ded14)

  317. This thread is amazing. I’m just glad all the debating is with EPWJ and not with that simpering teenager. 300+ comments like that and I think my screen would melt.

    “I could never imagine feeling any compelling duty in connection with a Democratic movement of any kind.”
    – Diary entry, September 25th, 1951

    Wasn’t that because Eisenhower was a closet Communist? I think I read something about that somewhere.

    Gesundheit (aab7c6)

  318. Also, my sympathies to Patterico, wherever he is.

    You know, after months and years of faithful posting a person starts to feel like the blog host *owes* you something of interest. But he really doesn’t. And blogging can be quite a lot of work.

    Pat, if you’re on a break, I hope you’re enjoying it. We’ll keep checking the page now and then to see when you’re back up. (And if you’re suffering computer diseases or breakages, then we’ll pray for healing. Gesundheit, literally.)

    Gesundheit (aab7c6)

  319. I would be happy to discuss the propensities of the Team R trying to be Dem-lite on some issues, EPWJ. I will do so the very moment that you acknowledge that you advocated for Scozzafava, a Democrat, and have lied repeatedly about myself, Dustin and others.

    JD (8ded14)

  320. “Ike was a Commie”, was a meme of the John Birch Society!

    AD - RtR/OS! (a80de3)

  321. It is pretty baffling why EPWJ thinks he is “scoring” in the minds of anyone but the voice jabbering in his head.

    Everyone here knows that he’s been discredited.

    That’s why I can’t figure out the point of his act. Is there some sort of troll Green Stamps program?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  322. the unemployed can be a surly bunch…

    Pure projection, as is his wont. Same stamina as Harpy, but without the grammar skillz.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  323. Hmmmm…

    In the 1930s, we had the Great D-pression …

    In the 2010s, we seem to be on the way into the Great O-pression …

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  324. I blame Bush and his evil out-of-control spending and deficits. The only way to fix his profilgate spending is to spend even more, kind of like how it is best to spend your way out of bankruptcy.

    JD (8ded14)

  325. The only cure for
    The One We’ve Been Waiting For
    is the Mitt Romney!

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  326. Mike Huckleberry
    is a lying Baptist hound

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  327. anti-Mormon scum
    I fart in his general
    direction, the gimp

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  328. unfit for fat farm
    duty, lying, sneaking thief
    he can’t eat just one

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  329. other than that, he great guy!

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  330. Saw a good hand printed sign:

    “Will somebody give Obama a blowjob so we can impeach him?”

    Where is Barney Frank when you need him?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  331. I once saw a sign that said “Free Nobel Peace Prize with any order of shrimp tacos.”

    JD (8ded14)

  332. The Rear Admiral
    probably coppin’ a buzz
    on Martha’s Vineyard

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  333. The Rear Admiral
    probably coppin’ a buzz joint
    on Martha’s Vineyard

    ColonelHaiku (ac425b)

  334. JD

    1st – you’ve made this statement more than once

    2nd – only Democrats make the statements that you and Dustin make

    3rd – you cant/wont discuss it because where are you going to go with it? Ignore facts and reality? I cannot see you actually making a stand and defending it, that would require substance and facts not something thats in your repartee not qualities you’ve displayed, depth – its not you JD

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  335. EPWJ, was that last comment good for ten troll stamps?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  336. Really? Really?! Only Democrats would ever say something like Republicans have to offer a better plan than being Dem-lite? Care to support that statement?

    The idea that I owe you, a demonstrable liar and all-around douchenozzle is rather humorous, entertaining.

    The idea that I am the only person to have expressed that is remarkable. But, you are allegedly on Team R, though you like Dems like Scozzfava. But, it is easy to note that during the Bush years, Team R spent way too much money, though it pales in comparison to what the Dems have done. Clowns like McCain tried to push amnesty. Clowns like Graham are pushing global warming energy reforms like cap and tax, though he bailed at the end. There are countless ways that Team R have done this, from the Gang of 14, to bailouts, etc … If you cannot understand that, then you are a bigger idiot than I have given you credit for, and prolly drool while standing up.

    JD (8ded14)

  337. Medicare prescription drug plan

    Compassionate conservatism

    No child left behind

    How many examples do you want of Team R trying to co-opt Dem issues and advancing them, under the guise that they are good guys/gals, and they can do it cheaper, rather than questioning whether or not it should be done?

    Enough of this silliness. Go back to your streetcorner and resume screaming at passerbys about the coming armegeddon or aliens or all the other things you wail about.

    JD (8ded14)

  338. off topic, but CAIR’s spokesman tries to free ride off terrorism to silence free speech.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  339. And that would be that a–hole Hooper doing it.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  340. Pat, if you’re on a break, I hope you’re enjoying it.

    He mentioned he was on vacation recently.

    LOL at EPWJ’s ranting and raving. The link I posted is ironclad proof he is a liar. And he’s not even lying about something major… in that case, it was a nasty personal attack he decided to spam the blog with… because I argued he was a moby.

    Idiot made it trivially easy to prove he has no credibility, even single time I see his nick.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  341. Dustin – I think the proper response to his ranting and raving and frothing and wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments is to post that link showing he is a proven and demonstrable liar and then saying “shut yo mouf, liar”

    JD (8ded14)

  342. ding, ding, ding.

    Ladies and Gentlemen

    We have for you tonight a tag team match of epic proportions.

    In the red corner wearing red, white and blue stripes is JD


    also in the red corner wearing red and white is Dustin

    {yayahhhhahhayyyy bboooooo hisss yayhyahahyy}

    In the blue corner wearing yellow shorts and a blue tank top is epwj.

    {yaayyyyyyayayyy boooo hisss yayayysyyssys}

    Unfortunately, epwj’s partner has failed to show tonight but epwj has bravely decided to go it alone!!!

    {yayyyyyyyy booooooobhisiisiis yyahhyyyhhh}


    Now, no gouging, no genital grabbing and no tittie twisters. Anything else is ok

    Ding, ding.

    There’s the bell for the start of round umpteenth

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  343. Okay, that was funny. I prefer a singlet for my red, white, and blue stripes.

    JD (8ded14)

  344. Sorta Off Topic:

    Before I start wading through six thousand comments in this thread alone (well, it seems like six thousand), has anybody an idea why nobody has published a new post on P’s P for the last four days?

    It’s awfully rare that we go that long without our Patterico fix; I think I’m in serious withdrawal…



    Dafydd the Frantic (632d00)

  345. Dafydd – It is pretty much impossible to be off-topic on this thread.

    JD (8ded14)

  346. Never mind… yeesh!

    (For three days, I’ve been curious; I finally decide to comment on the fourth dry day — and would you believe, the very instant I posted my comment, Patterico publishes his “I’m still alive” post!

    (I hope it rains tomorrow, so I’ll go wash my car now.)



    Dafydd the Red-Faced (632d00)

  347. Dafydd,

    Hey, it’s good to be missed.

    Patterico (ad7e1e)

  348. ________________________________

    Mark, he’s certainly not truthful. That much I already proved in this thread. If he has you fooled as to his honesty, then you haven’t been paying attention (which is understandable).

    Dustin, a combination of my being too lazy to want to search through the archives (or use google) to see exactly what EPWJ has said in the past and my realizing that quite a few commentators here are quite down on him makes me think I better pause before I say with 100% certainty that he’s not a moby.

    However, and beyond him, there are a variety of Republicans like Mike Huckabee, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Riordan (former mayor of LA), Olympia Snowe, the editorial writer of the Wall Street Journal — who is super goody-goody about illegal immigration — Charlie Crist, etc, who on any occasion will play the role of the contrarian when it comes to basic conservative opinions. But I will admit that doesn’t have anything to do with the matter of people expressing a particular point of view and then being dishonest in the way they defend or argue about it.

    Mark (411533)

  349. “Hey, it’s good to be missed.”

    Patterico – I don’t like it when people like the IRS miss me.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  350. I’ve had more suspicions about happyfeet and his take on matters involving Sarah Palin, Shirley Sherrod and same-sex marriage.
    Comment by Mark — 8/29/2010 @ 9:36 pm

    — happyfeet’s take on same-sex marriage: “After you get married it’s the same sex; week after week, month after month, year after friggin’ year! Always the same. *sigh*”

    Icy Texan (4c28a3)

  351. EPWJ, comedy gold.
    Comment by SPQR
    — This type of “act” is easily flushed.

    I’ll check back in a while
    Comment by EricPWJohnson
    — While you’re out, go to the brain bank and ask for your deposit back.

    Off Topic
    Comment by EricPWJohnson
    — Off kilter

    JD wont answer?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson
    — You won’t learn your lesson?

    I’ll leave the insults to you and yours.
    Comment by timb
    — Hey! Returning gifts is considered bad form.

    Icy Texan (4c28a3)

  352. Levi Johnston is sorry, period.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  353. Mark, well said.

    There are some very, very strange Republicans out there. I used to express sincere fascination at EPWJ’s support of Scozzafava, opposition to various other things, and a smattering of perspective that I simply assumed was different from mine.

    I’d simply say that he obviously didn’t share my politics, list a few positions, and ask him how it works. Polite curiousity. He would reply to that kind of comment defensively, like I was challenging his sincerity.

    It wasn’t long before I realized that a major aspect of his shtick is to post a false rumor about a conservative, and concluded that he’s completely insincere.

    But your major point stands. Just because someone has views I find weird wouldn’t mean they are a moby, or at all dishonest. And there is something resembling this confusion in progressives who run as Republicans… particularly Mike Huckabee style Republicans (who I particularly can’t stand).

    Dustin (b54cdc)

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