Shirley Sherrod Declines USDA Job Offer
Mysteriously acquitted of racism despite advocating treating whites differently from blacks, she now wants to work on — you guessed it — racial issues:
She said she needs to “take a break” from the events of the past few weeks, but looks forward to “some type of relationship with the department in the future.”
“We need to work on issues (of) discrimination and racism in this country, and I’d certainly like to play my role,” Sherrod added.
That role will, I suppose, include healing comments such as saying Andrew Breitbart wants to take us back to the days of slavery.
Ooh, I know! She could lead a national conversation on race!
Thanks to Hot Air.
She is hoping to disappear, because then she can maintain her victim status. but if she is back at work there, then reporters might become interested in poking around into her shady legal settlement, where she earned $150,000, as did her husband.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (b1db52) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:42 amBeer summit?
ng4779 (134890) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:48 amAaron’s right. This woman does not want scrutiny of her corrupt dealings, but wants to cash in on her victim status. It’s disgusting, particularly in light of how much worse she’s been than those she thinks victimized her.
If Breitbart fabricated charges that she was trying to violently harm whites, that would be about on par with what Sherrod made up about Breitbart. Yet because she and many are simply quite racist these days, she gets a pass while he was crucified for an out of context video and some errors he corrected as the story developed. I’m not saying he’s perfect… he made errors. but those errors didn’t change the fact that this was a very prominent and powerful bureaucrat who was a total nutcase and needed to be publicly exposed. The solution to Sherrod is more and more exposure.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:55 amTranslates to: “I am damn happy to be a racist, and I would certainly be happy for Uncle Sugar to continue to pay me to be one.”
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 8/24/2010 @ 12:19 pm“We need to work on issues (of) discrimination and racism in this country, and I’d certainly like to play my role,” Sherrod added.
Icy Texan (1bfb92) — 8/24/2010 @ 12:28 pm— What does she have to ADD?
‘One whitey plus the truth equals . . . one whitey’
I’m looking forward to the Sherrod & Sherrod national road show, discussing the racial problems in Amerikka. Kind of like Sonny & Cher without the humor.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/24/2010 @ 12:35 pmI don’t remember where she advocated treating whites differently than blacks
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/24/2010 @ 2:19 pmI don’t know where Breitbart advocated enslaving black people.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 2:26 pmI think that liberals just know he’s a racist because, well, it’s cloaked within his penumbra.
Old Coot (fc2376) — 8/24/2010 @ 3:19 pmIf the US govt. offered her the job back, and she refused it, won’t that cut off her damages if she decides to sue?
rochf (ae9c58) — 8/24/2010 @ 3:19 pmGreetings:
Might I suggest a position as “ebonics” translator in US Attorney General (and non-coward) Eric Holder’s Department of Justice for Ms. Sherrod ???
11B40 (1996e6) — 8/24/2010 @ 3:44 pmWhen did she advocate treating whites and blacks differently? I missed that one.
Time123 (aa4765) — 8/24/2010 @ 3:48 pmNO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!!!!!
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:35 pmPlease don’t let the Obama Administration’s ill advised freak out over Shirley Sherrod’s intemperate remarks distract us from more important issues such as gay marriagings.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:38 pmWhites get fired for similar irrelevant crap so …. not crying a river.
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:41 pmHow many job offers do non African Americans who have been falsely accused of racism recieve?I am sure there are tons. The press forgot to tell us about them and that is why this situation warrants coverage.
highpockets (adaced) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:44 pmCo-headlining tour, with Anita Hill.
TimesDisliker (aa0a35) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:44 pmA liberal conversation on race consists of a black discoursing on the subject and his/her white interlocutors nodding their heads affirmatively. Remember that blacks believe that nobody but a black can ever understand the pain of being black.
mhr (efa965) — 8/24/2010 @ 4:47 pmI missed that part. I saw where context-less snippets made it seem that way, but missed where she actually advocated different treatment.
Could you help a brother out w/ a link?
jpe (4a1f19) — 8/24/2010 @ 5:00 pmwake up happyfrum
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/24/2010 @ 5:06 pmit always good policy
to quit when behind
If Shirley Sherrod is a our newest healer of ethnic greivances, she’ll have us in a full-on national race riot in no time.
kingShamus (fb8597) — 8/24/2010 @ 5:54 pmFor you legal folks, does she have any kind of case against Breitbart? I don’t think so from my limited knowledge. If no, why go through with it? Has a less reputable lawyer talked her into it? Does she have a legal team funded by somebody else just to cause trouble for Breitbart?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/24/2010 @ 6:21 pmOf course she wants to work on “racial issues.” That is, after all, her area of expertise.
The snarky Dana (8a8a86) — 8/24/2010 @ 6:44 pmAh, jpe brings out the Breitbart edited it meme. How sadly predictable.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:01 pmMake me the fourth person to ask when Sherrod advocated treating whites and blacks differently. Perhaps we’ll get an answer.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:08 pmAfter the NAACP released their edited video, I thought maybe she was a bit misunderstood. However, her words and actions since have removed any sympathy I once had for her.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:21 pmJD – You are a typical white person.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:24 pmRacist
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:31 pmI will check back later to see if P. or anyone else has a link or answer for the question asked by four different people who have commented on this blog. Nos.7, 12, 19 and 25, for reference.
Myron (6a93dd) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:35 pmI’m very amused that people who apparently did not watch the full video are asking for evidence Sherrod advocated treating whites and blacks differently. Watch the whole thing and get back to me. Her racism was hardly confined to her nostalgia moment.
Indeed, she goes out of her way to moan about how blacks are selling their land to whites. If that isn’t advocating racially oriented treatment, I don’t know what is. She goes out of her way to ask blacks to focus on helping blacks, but also throws in some class warfare. While she is willing to help a white person somewhat, if they are really, really screwed over, she never comes close to race neutrality or pretends to.
I’m still waiting for the NAACP to release the full tape, where whatever joke she told about the ‘white’ lawyer she referred the white farmer to, is also seen. It’s still not clear that we know who the farmer is she’s talking about. She claims to have saved them (lol, months after letting them languish without the help she’d offer a black person) with a bankruptcy filing, but the farmer she now claims she was talking about never filed bankruptcy.
It’s pretty clear she’s a huge liar, so perhaps the entire tale of racism was made up. But she certainly advocates treating whites differently than blacks, and anyone who says otherwise ought to watch the video or accept they have no credibility on this kind of matter.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:47 pmI can guarantee you that if video surfaced where Sarah Palin said she was sad that whites were selling too much of their land to the wrong race, Happyfeet would admit that was racism advocacy.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:48 pmShe did not advocate treating people differently, she stated for a fact that she had. And then, in an attempt to make it a learning experience, she tried to walk it back by saying it was not about black and white, well it is about black and white, but it is really about the haves and the have nots. And then, she went on to tell us that everyone that disagreed with BarckyCare was racist, that Breitbart and Fox want to go back to the time of slavery. I still want to see what the NAACP edited out of the video.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:48 pmI am for a moratorium on Sarah Palin videos of all kinds but particularly if she speaks.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:54 pmClearly she sees color first and that forms the premise of her subsequent opinions.
Some see the actual person first, dialogue, and then form their opinions.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:54 pmAnd while I’m singling happyfeet out again, that’s because his evolution on this topic was obviously earnest and real. He’s worth engaging, unlike some others who might just not care about racism whatsoever.
Happyfeet was right that Breitbart handled this in a way that is simply inadequate at best.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:55 pmhappyfeet, I don’t care about Palin on video, but her tweets are annoying as hell. I’m sure we can find common ground there.
I wonder, do we have common ground on comment 31?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:56 pmshe = Sherrod, not Palin.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:56 pmmight have been when she
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:58 pmsaid she have white farmer be
helped by his “own kind”
Twitter and Tweets are evil tools of the Devil him/herself.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 7:59 pmno Mr. Dustin we do not have common ground on #31 if Sarah Palin was not advocating racism I would not say that she was advocating racism … I really don’t think I would – what I would say is that she’s a stupid bint irrespective of how one interprets her comments in that particular video.
I think there’s lots of evidence what supports my theory of what I would say.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:01 pmtwitter is a lifestyle choice
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:03 pmI thought this hypo showed clear cut racism. I guess my idea of racism is just not the same as happyfeets. To me, saying you do not approve of transactions where a certain race is involved is racist.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:04 pmMr. Dustin that is not the same as advocating racism for one thing.
Also it ignores the context that her job at the time she said that was all about helping black farmers keep their farms. I can imagine if that’s your job it’s very frustrating when you fail at it.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:07 pm… her job at the time in question I mean
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:08 pmI think I mentioned it on an earlier thread, but the part of the Shirley Sherrod tape that I found the most offensive is when she counseled the NAACP audience to go and find government jobs, since (after all) no one is ever fired from a government job. Yeah, she said it partly tongue-in-cheek and it elicited laughter from the audience, but can any of us deny that the left really does see most public sector bureaucratic work as cushy, unaccountable, and lucrative?
JVW (eccfd6) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:16 pm“I don’t remember where she advocated treating whites differently than blacks”
I’d say that someone who spent their entire life “working” (scamming the government is more like it, but we’ll say “working” for courtesy’s sake) for black only organizations is pretty much advocating treating whites differently than blacks by default.
Btw, only racists do that.
Dave Surls (40604e) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:34 pmMr. Feets – The “bint” bit was an unnecessary flourish IMHO.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 8:51 pmHappyfeet, I wondered why you even brought Palin into this in the first place unless she’s just an easy target for you?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:11 pmAw hell, Mccain won his primary (of course), and quite handily, so I’ll give Happyfeet slack on the ‘bint’ comment (English slang for a whore or bitch. Similar to a tart.).
Not being sarcastic. It’s a damn shame someone like Mccain can serve for 5000 years, even after being a complete back stabber. Shoulda found a different challenger.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:13 pmBint is also the Arabic word (MSA) for girl.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:14 pmDana, I brought her up first, not him. I was making that hypo, in that tiresome yet helpful ‘put someone of a different race in the same situation’. I should have picked someone else for the hypo, though. Cheap shot.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:15 pmHeh. Yep, cheap shot. (I just watched the creepy video via Hot Air that some nutjob shot of her at the airport. Walking target.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:19 pmBint is also the Arabic word (MSA) for girl.
Comment by JD
I don’t want to press the issue or anything, but bintun (feminine form of bin) is indeed the word for girl in Arabic, but I suspect he’s just pulling various urban dictionary terms to make fun of folks. If it turns out that cooze is Yiddish for lady, I’m going to be very embarrassed, though.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:30 pmIsmaee bint. Alan.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:37 pmIf it turns out that cooze is Yiddish for lady, I’m going to be very embarrassed, though.
Comment by Dustin — 8/24/2010 @ 9:30 pm
Not to worry. I’d be kinda delighted to see the demeaning terms go by the wayside for both sexes, frankly.
Hate to seem like a killjoy but it’s so much more fun to read this or any blog when you’re not constantly reading comments which remind you, let’s just put it out there in happyfeet language, that some men are really thinking about your dirty filthy vagina when you thought they merely disagreed with you politically.
/soapbox
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:42 pmnoyk – I neither agree or disagree with you based on you having a penis or a vagina.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:46 pmmuch less a dirty filthy one
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:52 pmComment by JD — 8/24/2010 @ 9:46 pm
I know that’s true, JD, and true for most of the posters here. And even most of the offenders, I think, don’t start out disagreeing because of the gender of a speaker.
But not sure those few offenders even realize how much respect from their fellow posters they lose every time they advertise how much they seem to seek to degrade and depersonalize their political opponents by referring to them in terms like that. I suppose I’m talking mostly about language directed at female politicians but have seen it happen to male politicians too.
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:57 pmIt is very difficult to not refer to John McCain as a raging poofter.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/24/2010 @ 9:59 pmI crave your respect like I crave vegan cupcakes
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:00 pmthat might could be the orange stoli talking, but good goddamn, you know?
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:01 pmoh. #60 was opposed to follow #58… and it did the first time and then I refreshed and it changed
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:03 pmaging cowardly poofter won his primary about a half hour ago btw… he is so America it makes me sick
and ashamed
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:04 pmCongratulations John McCain!!!!!!
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:06 pmcoward McCain has done nothing but make America a weaker place
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:09 pmComment by happyfeet — 8/24/2010 @ 10:01 pm
Nothin’ “good” about something God damns, “you know?” 😉
Anyway, one would think, though, that — vegan cupcakes aside and “the wisdom of which I make no comment about” — the respect of fellow posters would be of interest to one, if only because most of the time when we post, it’s either to make our fellow posters laugh, or to ask them a question, or to make a point we’d like them to listen to.
That any of these goals is going to fail when one doesn’t have any respect from other posters doesn’t need to be imagined — just look at how lovey, or Chris Hooten, or pick-a-troll, gets treated even if they happen to make a good point or a decent joke once in a while. They get hooted at and they deserve it, for consistently showing no respect for others.
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:09 pmthat’s not true actually the importantest thing is that what you say is honest, not garnering of respect.
this is why thors and nishis are okey dokey with me… I believe they believe.
I don’t believe that about coward McCain.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:13 pm#
It is very difficult to not refer to John McCain as a raging poofter.
Comment by JD — 8/24/2010 @ 9:59 pm
Heh – Yeah, the jury’s still out on mendoucheous too 🙂 even tho it’s a really clever portmanteau. Seriously, why don’t those seem quite as offensive? Not sure — because it’s cross-gender, maybe? Maybe it would be more offensive if McCain got called (sorry for the crudeness; am making a point here) “dickless” or “one-balled” or something.
Or maybe men just don’t feel sensitive about being referred to in genital language as much as women do. Dunno. Would be interested to hear more guy’s takes on this.
And Col Haiku could come up with a 5-7-5 genius answer to this, I just know it….
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:16 pm“this is why thors and nishis are okey dokey with me… I believe they believe.”
Hah! Both pure griefers not believers.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:18 pmI don’t wanna count McCain’s balls.
Jesus.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:19 pmthat’s not true actually the importantest thing is that what you say is honest, not garnering of respect.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/24/2010 @ 10:13 pm
I respectfully disagree — I think both are equally needed. Someone could be always “honest” but extremely insulting — anyone remember Christoph from a while back who was a picture perfect example of this? — and no one would listen to them.
It’s not about “garnering” of respect BTW (in the Obama sense of basically “bow down to me and stop LA traffic for me” — it’s about giving it just because that’s who you are. And getting a hearing for your points because — as a side effect of your first goal of integrity which includes the giving of respect — people respect you back.
That’s how I see it anyway. YMMV.
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:22 pmmy point is could be always “honest” but extremely insulting
and then someone could be coward McCain, who goes out of his way to be neither
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:26 pm#
I don’t wanna count McCain’s balls.
Jesus.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/24/2010 @ 10:19 pm
Now you’re getting it. Of course you don’t. Just like we women don’t want to be reminded of Palin’s or Sherrod’s vagina just because you disagreed with them about something.
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:26 pmSarah Palin has a positively grizzly vagina she won’t stop talking about it.
She’s taking feminism back, Mr. Instapundit says.
But me I’m not so sure.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:34 pmSarah Palin’s grizzly vagina puts sand in Mr. Feets sour mangina.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:44 pmMr. Feets – Might could be you have a yeast infection down there. Make you prickly.
Is that vegan?
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/24/2010 @ 10:48 pmGeez, it was just a hypo about whether Sherrod’s early video comments about land sales would be racist if some mere white person said them. Did not intend this threadjack.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:31 pmAnyone still up, Alaska’s Senate primary is a real nail biter. If Miller wins, this is huge, and it looks like Miller might just win.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:43 pmDustin, got a non-politico link to AK Senate?
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 8/24/2010 @ 11:47 pmThe Other Mccain is covering it well.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:06 amThanks, Dustin. I looked around and found another site as well.
http://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/10PRIM/data/results.htm
I don’t know how often it updates, but at 22:27:50 local time, 51.37 percent of precincts were reporting the same overall percentages but slightly more votes tabulated.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:18 amMiller didn’t even have a professional political staff. I don’t know how he pulled this off, aside from the obvious Palin endorsement. But that really sells Alaska short. I think they realize what Murkowski represents. Unlike Arizona, Alaska had a great option in Miller. This is like Haley winning.
I’m counting my chickens before the hatch, though.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:41 am77% in, and Miller’s ahead by over 3000 votes, out of 87000. That’s no slam dunk, but considering how the media spun this as a massive defeat for the Tea Party (read Slate on this), it’s significant egg on the establishment’s face.
They cherry picked the most unlikely to win Palin and Tea endorsement as the proxy for a whole movement, and when even that one is won, they will almost certainly return to the ‘anti-incumbent’ line, and ignore that this is a repudiation of corruption and bloat.
Ah, if only a great candidate had run against Mccain, this entire election would have taken on a different appearance.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:47 am16000 absentee ballots went out, almost half have been returned (they have a few more days yet). Miller’s a decorated veteran, so I think he’ll be boosted by these. But the election won’t be resolved for days unless Murkowski concedes.
And since Miller surged very, very late, the absentees might not help him as much as you’d think. Given Murkowski’s tenor lately (check her site and the first thing you see is ‘Joe Miller Lies’ headlining a youtube slur, I don’t see her conceding.
Regardless, Miller was supposed to never have a chance. The peasants aren’t happy.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 2:01 amMake me the fourth person to ask when Sherrod advocated treating whites and blacks differently. Perhaps we’ll get an answer.
Comment by Myron — 8/24/2010 @ 7:08 pm
— That makes you the four-flusher, Myopic!
Icy Texan (564fa3) — 8/25/2010 @ 2:29 amCan we get a mop for that sexist puke on aisle 40?
Icy Texan (564fa3) — 8/25/2010 @ 2:36 amSarah Palin has a positively grizzly vagina she won’t stop talking about it.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/24/2010 @ 10:34 pm
Well, umm–
Wait. Saying “Mama Grizzly” = talking about your vagina…?
Andrew Sullivan, is that you? 😉
Feets, I like your unique style of posting; it makes me laugh. But it appears clear to me that you have some serious, shall we say, issues with women and how you think about them and sadly when this happens it really very much cuts into my enjoyment of your posts. It’s also clear you have no intention of stopping referring this way to women you disagree with even if you know it bothers other women here.
Like Dustin, didn’t intend for this thread to go off course so I think in future when you call some woman a cooze etc. I’ll just grimace and shake my head and think, “there he goes again.”
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/25/2010 @ 4:08 amLisa Murkowski is exactly the kind of ‘epic fail’
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 4:56 amcandidate that we don’t need anymore, she came to
power by strict nepotism, Lindsey in a parka, with a 10/1 fundraising advantage, remember she was BP’s favorite ‘squeeze’ only topped by Obama in the Senate, she refused to understand death panels,
and the truly malign nature of Obamacare, and she
was harpooned by the Huntress, by proxy, she might
still wriggle out of the net, but it is a signal to others, ‘abandon all hope who enter here’
Dustin,
I’m not surprized actually and not because or because of Sarah, Miller had a very strong message and in any state except Mass appointing your children to a seat doesnt always work out to the best and not distinguishing yourself exceptionally while granted the opportunity
But if there is direct evidence Palin changed the outcome of the election I am open to hear it – but proclamations from exuberant fans is generally not that persuasive
EricPWJohnson (2a58f7) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:10 amHe was down by double digits, a 10/1 fundraising advantage, before she put her name behind him, even the hide bound Fagan, finally discovered that Lisa was a RINO,
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:20 amYou know, happyfeet, I do not care for McCain at all.
But calling him a coward shows you for a level of despicable that surprises even me.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:41 amBut it’s not out of character, SPQR, I’ve found that out over the last year, about our ‘loveable
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:48 amlittle mogwai’. McCain fell into the hands of some
of the Soros org, that prompted the CFR, the ban on
interrogations on Gitmo, the climate change fraud,
that was behind the Journolist. Principles not perceptions are important,
Breitbart will be indicted over all this.
JD (6ca166) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:48 am“I’d say that someone who spent their entire life “working” (scamming the government is more like it, but we’ll say “working” for courtesy’s sake) for black only organization”
What “black only” organizations has she spent her “entire life” working for? Was she at one when she met that white farmer?
geoff (4829b2) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:48 amI am pretty sure he is referring to political cowardice, SPQR.
JD (04ebf2) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:50 am“I’d say that someone who spent their entire life “working” (scamming the government is more like it, but we’ll say “working” for courtesy’s sake) for black only organization”
What “black only” organizations has she spent her “entire life” working for?
geoff (4829b2) — 8/25/2010 @ 5:50 amBreitbart will be indicted over all this.
Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 5:48 am
Since IIRC he has a legal defense fund at hand, maybe the experience won’t be as bad for him as it would be for some others. Plus discovery process might be very nearly fun for him.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:09 amMcCain came home a broken shell of a man fit for nothing but the U.S. senate… there is no more certain mark of a pussy I don’t think.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:17 amNot surpringly, feets, you’re wrong about that, he lobbied for the military after he came home, then he ran for Congress, and he was pretty good in that slot, took over Goldwater’s Senate seat, and drifted to the darkside, really only after the whole
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:22 amKeating mess, where they made him an example, instead of Glenn, DeConcini, et al
a career politician.
a whore.
same same.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:23 amI find nothing objectionable about calling McCain out for his constant duplicity and hypocrisy concerning bedrock issues with his party – and you can throw in his fellow compatriot Graham in there as well, that guy is positively nauseating with the positions he’s taken over the years.
I used to not mind McCain’s alleged “principled” stands in the past – not anymore. They only live to preen and posture in front of their MSM brethren. These guys stand for nothing except their re – election chances.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:27 amMr. Feets – I believe what you are saying like I believe what thor and nishi say.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:27 amnoyk maybe you can compare and contrast for me how Sarah Palin’s promoting grizzly womens over mens is qualitatively different than our friend Shirley helping black farmers over white ones.
Is Sarah Palin not just a cooze but a sexist cooze?
By a “Shirley Sherrod was advocating for racism” standard I think we have to conclude that yes she is a sexist cooze.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:28 amHave you read the Pigford and how she doubled the claimants, profiting directly from them, oth, Sarah has backed Haley against the snout entralled hogs of the SC good ole boy network, Handel against a congressman who is sure to be ‘unexpectedly’ indicted right before the election, Fiorina is not my favorite choice, but compared to DEvore who was going nowhere, and Campbell friend of Salafi everywhere, well you have to take your chances
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:40 amnoyk – I was joking about Breitbart. You are correct that discovery would be quite entertaining.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:41 am“I’d say that someone who spent their entire life “working” (scamming the government is more like it, but we’ll say “working” for courtesy’s sake) for black only organizations”
What “black only” organizations has she spent her “entire life” working for?
geoff (8bb588) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:45 amPalin adores Fiorina… but I think mostly she just wants to get her bff McCain a new pet to replace Voinovich.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 6:46 amnoyk – I was joking about Breitbart. You are correct that discovery would be quite entertaining.
Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 6:41 am
Sorry for bein’ unclear – yep knew you were joking but didn’t want to use up my emoticon quota–those can be quite annoying I hear.
#
noyk maybe you can compare and contrast for me how Sarah Palin’s promoting grizzly womens over mens is qualitatively different than our friend Shirley helping black farmers over white ones.
Is Sarah Palin not just a cooze but a sexist cooze?
By a “Shirley Sherrod was advocating for racism” standard I think we have to conclude that yes she is a sexist cooze.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/25/2010 @ 6:28 am
Um…well, Gov. Palin IIUC uses the term to promote candidates for Senate who are conservative and who happen to be female. She isn’t saying, “Vote for them because they’re female” but “vote for them because they’ll fight for you [and they happen to be female so they’re like mama grizzlies who fight for their young
].”
Ms. Sherrod, OTOH, said that she knew she wasn’t giving a white farmer as much help as she would a black one — for the reason that he was the wrong race. And further, she said she sent him along to “one of his own kind” to help him, meaning a white man should help him instead of her — because he was white.
What WOULD be analagous is if Gov. Palin said, “here are two conservative candidates running. I want you to vote for the female over the male because she’s female.” And/or if the positions she espouses would help females qua females, over males. As opposed to working families, taxpayers of all genders, etc. Am trying but just can’t think of policies of hers that favor females over males. Enlighten me if you can think of any.
This is all pretty obvious and I’m kind of wondering if you’re just playing around now asking me rather silly questions like that. The two situations aren’t the same and I suspect you know it. Palin is not sexist, and Sherrod is not only racist but a possible racist hypocrite as well.
But hey, you got to call Gov. Palin an “oozing cunt” again, so I suspect you’re happy. Have a nice day feets.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:16 amI didn’t call Sarah Palin an oozing cunt. That’s an unnecessarily ugly lie I think.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:23 amSomeone let me know when geoff posts a non-mendoucheous comment.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:25 amthat’s a lie noyk – I never said that. Not ever have I said that.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:30 amJeffy is forever asking us to be his monkeys, because having to actually attempt to discover information that causes him cognitive dissonance would be most disconcerting.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:34 ampromoting grizzly womens over mens is qualitatively different than our friend Shirley helping black farmers over white ones.
Except Palin backed a male Tea Party candidate against Murkowski, so that meme is patently false.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:35 am“Lie” is an awfully strong word, especially toward someone like NOYK. Despite your continued crude actions, you seem pretty easily outraged. C’mon. You get to call people you don’t like offensive names safely. You are a rich guy!
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:36 amthat’s a lie noyk – I never said that. Not ever have I said that.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/25/2010 @ 7:30 am
Never ever have you said…what? That she’s sexist, or that she’s an oozing cunt (which is what cooze means), or some other insult I missed above?
I trust you’re not calling me a liar, feets.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:36 amWeYou will have quite the next set of problems if that is the case. Point out any mistakes I have made and I will be glad to correct them. Saying I lie is another matter entirely.Thanks Eric.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:37 amThat’s what you mean, mogwai, you repeat the same
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:37 amlies as the most disreputable of the paid up netrooters in Alaska, who I won’t name.
you can defend noyk and her filthy filthy lies all you want Mr. Blair and she’s still a filthy potty-mouthed liar
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:41 amNOYK, some people confuse honesty with tactlessness. Others equate crudeness with coolness. I’m no angel, and am not perfect. But if I wrote anything you found offensive, I would think very carefully about my actions.
But I’m not all cool and stuff.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:42 amMr. Dmac it’s no more false a meme than the one what says Shirley S is a racist. There’s not a single white person anyone can point to whose life is the worse for Shirley’s efforts.
And that’s just the truth of it.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:43 amDmac
I dont know comment 101 is somewhat devasting
JD – AS you twist qnd spin and generally do little more than plant falsehoods and shil for the democrats – how’s tht working out for you?
I love the strategy of people who hate the republicans think their dem lite while activily working for those who are against republicans – that would be democrats
I have a flash for you Breitbart isnt for Conservatives, he inst for liberals – he’s for Breitbart – he wants to be the story – not since Olberman and Geraldo have I seen someone being the story more than the story itself
Fox news radio and in the morning show admitted that Breitbart had edited the Sherrod tape
I dont know if thats true, it COULD VERY WELL BE incorrect, but it was said nontheless
EricPWJohnson (2a58f7) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:43 amYou keep it up, Mr Feet. I have been waiting for you to do what you are doing, right now. You just can’t help yourself.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:44 amwhat I see Mr. Blair is that you’re willing… eager, even, to countenance lies about what people say for to win an argument…
It’s what you guys are doing to Shirley. And now noyk wants to use those trickses those same on me.
She’ll very likely succeed.
It’s how you guys roll.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:54 amoh. that should have been *those same trickses*
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:55 amWhere have I twisted, or spun, or planted falsehoods, EPWJ? Nevermind, you appear to be arguing with the voices again.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:57 amI thought he was talking about a different JD cause that makes no sense.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 7:58 amNo, he was talking about me. Actually, he was arguing against the cacophony of voices in its little head, but it was directed at me.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:02 amAnd we lose the cutsie style of posting. But don’t worry, Mr. Feet, you still have lots of people who think you are just swell. But as you move toward insulting people here, you reveal more and more of yourself.
I don’t care if you don’t like me, but compare the totality of your posts to NOYKs. And remember she has been more understanding of you than vice versa, historically.
Still, you are pretty thin skinned right now. Odd, given your schtick.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:05 amthe shilling for democrats completely threw me
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:06 amI don’t think that he called her an oozing cunt. He called her a sexist cooze. Now, that is pretty much a distinction without a difference, but …
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:07 amI haven’t insulted anyone here. noyk knows what she said is a filthy lie. And you know it is too Mr. Blair.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:09 amI am a liberal, happyfeet. The krazed nutbag EPWJ has stated so, so it much be true. I shill for the Dems.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:09 amnot to be insulting JD but I think you would even vote for Fiorina… in a hold your nose kinda way maybe, but I think you’d do it
You’re stronger than me like that.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:10 amYes, I probably would, and then I would puke a little in the back of my mouth, and pray that my little token effort helped remove Babs Boxer from the Senate. If it didn’t, I would puke a lot in the back of my mouth.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:12 amok godspeed everybody I have to go to work
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:18 amI would like to think that JD would speak up for me, just as he does for you, Mr. Feet. And I particularly don’t care for your doubling down on insulting NOYK.
I will thank you not to state what you believe I think. You don’t care for it when others do that about you, after all.
Not such a “happy” person today, sir.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:19 amleave me be Mr. Blair you’re striving to build this up into something it’s not and I find it tiresome and Hot Airy
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:25 amWho is calling whom a liar? Go have yourself a “tasty beverage” or something.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:26 amThe whole “ideological purity” schtick is beyond tiresome at this point – yes, by all means support the GOP candidate that most mirrors your viewpoints in the primary. But for goodness sake don’t shoot yourself in the foot by sitting out the general election if a more moderate brand of candidate wins. The whole point is about winning and rolling all of this crap back and starting over, and if we didn’t have Scott Brown we’d have Martha Coakley. So it goes in CA – Fiorina vs. Boxer? Do we even have to debate that one? I’ve got the same deal here in IL – gee, do I want Mark Kirk or Dem/MobGuy Alexi? To paraphrase Jonny Mac, are you serious?
But you know what, the GOP primary for Governor camethisclose between the conservative guy (Brady) vs. a real RHINO – and the conservative guy won. We just might win the whole shebang against Alexi and The Mighty Quinn. Awesome on both counts.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:27 amI am calling noyk a liar cause I never said what she says I said. It’s that simple and it’s weird besides. You don’t use the c-word at Mr. Patterico’s.
You just don’t do that but you especially don’t do that with the intent of inflaming an already-contentious discussion.
I have a Talking Rain Twist waiting at work. It’s strawberry. Only 9 calories. It comes from a spring in the state of Washington.
Mr. Dmac I appreciate your argument but our little country’s in a godawful pickle. And that means the mccainization of our Senate needs to stop yesterday. It’s every bit as harmful than the dirty socialists cause it ends up disillusioning all the wrong people and heartening the wrong ones.
At some point Team R actually has to stand for something. By not voting for McCain’s girl I’m saying that time is now.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:39 amJD
I think, sadly, a shorter qustion is when have you not.
Anyone – despite the obvious – who considers – still with a preponderance of evidence to the contrary – still – (and infrewuently as he knows it exposes one to thir true colors) – still writes that republicans are dem lite – is doing what
1. discouraging republican turnout by being disengeniously disenfranchising
2. in spite of the evidence – even pointed out by the founder and owner of this bvery blog – continues
3. in conclusion – is a democrat – in kind or in spirit or both
4. and given that the actions of the democrat have been demonstrably against the very core principals the founded are union and strengthen it – must not be all that loving of our country
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:40 amA village is missing its idiot again.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:41 amand given that the actions of the democrats have been demonstrated to be against the very core princples that founded our union and strenghten it – must not be all that loving of our country
whew!
typing way too fast and incoherently
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:42 amOh, and I just want to point out, for the record as the idiot likes to say, that between the two of us, he is the one that actively supported a Dem, Scozzafava. The irony is not lost on sentient beings, but that point will fly straight past your pointy little lying head without you ever noticing it.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:43 amI don’t tend to continue conversations with people who falsely accuse me of lying. Again: any mistakes I made tell me what they are and I’ll gladly correct. But Eric and others know from the lovey/Emperor debacle what happens around here when people casually toss around “liar.” If anyone has the ability to contact Stashiu3 I would be grateful. Wonder if he’s lurking. Stash?
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:44 amMark this moment, people. EPWJ spoke the truth.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:45 amI do not think you lied, noyk. On a very technical reading of what was said, you made a minor mistake, at least by my reading. It was a distinction without a difference.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:46 amthere’s a decided difference between calling Sarah Palin a cooze and calling her an “oozing c” or noyk would have just said what I said – instead she lied. She lied cause she thought it would help poison the discussion to her advantage and it a lot has.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:53 amI am calling noyk a liar cause I never said what she says I said. It’s that simple and it’s weird besides. You don’t use the c-word at Mr. Patterico’s.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/25/2010 @ 8:39 am
Despite your completely unwarranted insults — yes, I’m still angry — am going to try to bring the temperature here down a bit. Is this what you said I “lied” about?
In this very thread you called Palin a “cooze” not once but twice. You’ve called IIRC both Sherrod and Palin coozes before. “Cooze” means “oozing cunt.” What part of that didn’t I get right?
I do not think you lied, noyk. On a very technical reading of what was said, you made a minor mistake, at least by my reading. It was a distinction without a difference.
Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 8:46 am
Thanks, JD. Always happy to correct a mistake and I think you’re talking about the same thing as feets so, appreciate it.
Just so we’re clear: Do not call me a liar again, feets.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:54 amHey, Dmac, good to see your post.
The “Ideological Purity” thing gets people really upset, and for a good reason. It was tried back in 1992, and it delivered Bill Clinton to the White House. I am trying to think of how the political landscape would be different today without WJC in the Oval Office for eight years. Better? Worse?
But people wanted to send a message to the RNC: no more country club Republicans. The answer to their message was worse than any country club Republican.
And I personally think that a lot of people sat out the last election, because they “hated” McCain and Palin. Which gave us what?
Why, I still see people on the Right claim that McCain would done things “just as bad” as Obama. At first I couldn’t believe it, and then I saw that they needed, desperately, to defend their lack of voting or voting for a 3rd party candidate.
And then there are some folks who seem to want the whole system to crash and burn, no matter the cost, so that “real” conservatism will blossom. Historically, I haven’t seen that.
But what to do?
For me, it is always about the “bad versus less bad” candidate. Just my two cents.
But I know how important 2010 and 2012 are.
Again, just my opinions. Anyone who thinks I am enthusiastic about any politician is not accurate.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:00 amJD #141: that made my morning! Put that one in the Hall of Fame.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:03 amJD
Actually Dee Dee was the repulican in the lead and lost s seat and her democrat replacement was the deciding vote in the healthcare law that gutted our economy
she was leading by 44%
again, to disenfranchise republican turnout is the same as a shill for the democrats
thats not only for exposing yourself again but to jusitfy my remarks
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:05 amAnd NOYK: your record stands for itself. You have always been polite, even when provoked, and there are many folks who watch and don’t post here who appreciate your blog-manners very much.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:05 amI have people in my office so I have to go, sorry for the fast typing but – at some level shills, democrat shills are interesting to be exposed an watch their one sided rationalization of the consequences of the totality of their actions
sure DeeDee was a far from ideal Republican (gee in New York?) but she was against gutting the entire american economy
but what the heck – thats what shills are for
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:09 amThat might be true, if Scozzafava was a f%cking Republican, EPWJ. Your incoherence remains, no matter how slowly you type.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:10 amEric B
I cannot believe you just wrote that – got to go
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:10 amComment by Eric Blair — 8/25/2010 @ 9:05 am
Very kind, Eric. Thank you. I don’t have very much forbearance obviously when I get falsely accused of lying. Gotta work on that I guess.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:11 amI scanned the comments and, sure enough, stinky feet and Palin. Bye.
MIke K (d6b02c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:12 amI think I am going to start making it a practice to not try to play referee between people that I respect.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:14 amI thought it was shockingly rude and dishonest for noyk to characterize what I said as being more violently offensive than I at all intended. I said what I said and that is all that I said – I never escalated my opprobrium of Sarah Palin to the level what noyk dishonestly alleges I did.
Not that I never would. But I didn’t.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:17 amJD
I think its very telling that some people think its their repsonsibility to direct the blog through the comments section – its not an unknown phenom –
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:18 amI am trying to direct nothing, you foolish fool. Two people that I respect had a disagreement, and I tried to smooth out the edges. Didn’t work. If I could control things …
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:19 amAnd a new Hall of Famer!
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:20 amNo, she’s actually being about very charitable about how you have characterized Sarah, since you really can’t complain about her policy stances, the Miller win should make it very plain
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:21 amHasn’t Ms. Sherrod passed her Warhol Moment?
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:25 amI thought it was shockingly rude and dishonest for noyk to characterize what I said as being more violently offensive than I at all intended.
Feets.
You called her a “cooze” but you didn’t intend it to be “violently” offensive, whatever that means…? Uh huh. Excuse me if I find that a bit hard to believe, as well as “shockingly rude”, except that I won’t stoop to calling you a liar.
I’m simply making explicit what the word you chose means. You called her a cooze. That is a portmanteau meaning “oozing cunt” (go read the link, or websearch it if you’re willing to put up with a bunch of nasty links).
You don’t like people putting in your face what the definition of your words means, then don’t use them. Simple as that, feets.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:26 amMr. JD is correct… particularly I think in that the way that noyk employed quotations probably takes her dishonesty out of the realm of lying and more into the realm of mischaracterization. I shouldn’t have called her a filthy liar and I apologize.
I took it to be lying in that my feeling was that most people wouldn’t scroll up and find the referent to see how noyk was being less than honest in her quotationings of my remarks. But that’s not technically a lie I can lay at noyk’s feet.
I do however, think her to be a scurrilous mischaracterizer. And I think she employed language what was designed to incite enmity towards another commenter which, I’m not in the inciting enmity against other commenters business at all.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:28 amJD
I admit you are very good at it, but in the end it the shilling that undermines the body of your blog persona
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:34 amThat started off nicely, Mr. Feet. Then it went…to a pretty odd place. From an apology to calling someone a “scurrilous mischaracterizer” indeed.
Despite the irony in that phrase.
But you know what? You want the right to say what you want, whenever you choose. When I object or say you have, um, flexible standards, I am the bad guy.
Fair enough. This is a waste of everyone’s time. I just really appreciate NOYK’s posts over the long term, and remembered how she has been pretty darned fair and understanding to you, repeatedly.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:35 amplease forgive me …
Urban dictionary defines “Cooze” thus:
“A cooze is a superficial, shallow, provincial, and generally ignorant girl, who is so intellectually and socially repulsive, that their only redeeming qualities come in the from of sex appeal. Thus, their only value to society comes in the form of their oozing, jizz filled vag. They often sluts, and are commonly considered the most contemptable, worthless wastes of life on the planet.” (emphasis mine)
noyk accused the oh-so-cute “happyfeet” of calling Palin an oozing c…
The oh-so-cute “happyfeet” called noyk a liar.
from that definition, I’d say the oh-so-cute “happyfeet” owes noyk an apology or admit to being truth challenged.
quasimodo (4af144) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:35 amI know I am going to regret asking the krazy person a question, or engaging him in dialogue, but the source of his idiocy is a curiosity. Shilling for what? Show your work.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:36 amI took it to be lying in that my feeling was that most people wouldn’t scroll up and find the referent to see how noyk was being less than honest in her quotationings of my remarks.
Comment by happyfeet — 8/25/2010 @ 9:28 am
I didn’t realize the quotations were the problem but I take your point about people not scrolling up and I apologize for that. I meant them to mean “this is what he called her in effect by saying cooze” since that’s the definition of the word. I’ll be clearer next time.
I do however, think her to be a scurrilous mischaracterizer. And I think she employed language what was designed to incite enmity towards another commenter which, I’m not in the inciting enmity against other commenters business at all.
I will be charitable and submit that I think you are not too familiar with the general tenor of my posts or you wouldn’t say that. In fact, even on Hot Air you and I had a very civil conversation about pro-life matters (I post under another name there) so I know you think I’m a fair commenter on other subjects.
I did have an intent though, and that was to purposely put in your face what the meaning of your post was so that you could clearly see how offensive it was. A term that can sound cute, like “cooze”, doesn’t sound so cute when its meaning is made clear. I see that my attempt hit home and though I’m glad I was successful in making you see how offensive the term is, am sorry I had to make you angry to see that.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:37 amWe did this before, quasimodo. You will shortly get different definitions from the gentleman in question, defending his use of the term as not being all awful and gross.
Sigh.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:37 amThe moby says it’s no surprise Miller was competitive. Well, he was down 30 points pretty recently. He’s just doing that old concern troll thing again. As I’ve proven, EPWJ simply has zero credibility because he’s a shameless liar.
“:noyk maybe you can compare and contrast for me how Sarah Palin’s promoting grizzly womens over mens is qualitatively different ”
Does Palin support women over men, happyfeet? Funny, I thought most of her endorsements were of men.
“there’s a decided difference between calling Sarah Palin a cooze and calling her an “oozing c” or noyk would have just said what I said ”
“Cooze
(n.) A cooze is a superficial, shallow, provincial, and generally ignorant girl, who is so intellectually and socially repulsive, that their only redeeming qualities come in the from of sex appeal. Thus, their only value to society comes in the form of ***************** [I edited out this part, which describes the part NOYK cited]. They often sluts, and are commonly considered the most contemptable, worthless wastes of life on the planet.”
Happyfeet, you called Palin something horrible from urban dictionary. Maybe I’m wrong, but you use a lot of terms that seem to be pulled from there by seeking a sexist slur. Where did you learn the term cooze, anyway?
I apologized before for saying I thought you were showing sexism. JD or someone rightfully pointed out that you do say this kind of stuff about men sometimes too. Nonetheless, it’s probably good faith interpretation on NOYK’s part that you’re being nasty. There’s a reason you seek this style of rhetoric, and there’s a reason polite people sometimes have this reaction to the way you express your views of folks.
I think it’s a good thing to criticize Palin, btw. Just sayin’, noyk isn’t trying to poison the debate against you by any stretch.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:37 amHeh. Quasimodo and I cross posted, but I see I’m not the only one who uses Urban Dictionary. Dunno why others use it but it’s saved me from some pretty nasty stuff — Googling certain nasty words gets you some not so pretty results.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:39 amI hadn’t seen comment 160, happyfeet. Thanks for being fair.
You’re clearly not a dishonest person, happyfeet. You should try to make your points about Palin differently. I believe you think that you shouldn’t filter yourself just because of people’s sensitivity… perhaps you have a point. But you’re not scoring a lot of points on this, by going about it this way.
Anyway, Miller is awesome. You have to admit, but for Palin’s help, he didn’t have a chance in hell. She is every bit the politician and game player, but she has done some real good, at least in this case.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:40 amso let’s see here. Palin endorses miller. miller win. she endorses mccain. mccain wins. do i see a pattern?
um, well, in truth i am skeptical. but i love watching the democratic chimps throwing feces in anger.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:47 amthank you noyk you are every bit the gentleperson what people say that you are I think
Mr. Dustin here is where I unfortunately learned the word cooze…
It doesn’t end well for poor dead gay Brad.
I can’t read everything else cause of I was late getting into the office and I have a 10:00 thinger
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:51 amAlmost always. Something I can do for you noyk?
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:58 amoh hah you are a darling I remember you from Hot Air but I never knew who you were here
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:58 amhappyfeet, I appreciate you answering me on that.
I know I have said this repeatedly and it’s getting old, but happyfeet tends to own his comments and engage critics, and while I just don’t agree with him on this, I do think he’s coming from a good place as far as his hope for our leadership.
I honestly think he should like Palin, but that’s not up to me. I do think there is ample room to criticize Palin. She’s not a savior… she’s a politician playing her cards.
Anyway, the standard applied to Palin to show her sexism seems a little funny to me. Getting back to the topic, which is likely not possible, Sherrod corrected her mistake when she said ‘it’s not about black vs white’, to note that it’s about rich vs poor and black vs white. She said that to a black audience at a racially oriented organization. She had many comments about choosing blacks for aid, land sales, more help. Even her story about the white farmer never approached racial equality, but was more like ‘if he’s black give him 100 help, if he’s white, give him 0 and let his own kind, unless he’s really poor, then give the white guy a little help’. That, to Sherrod, was actually heroic. She thinks she saved the farmer and deserves praise.
I think it’s important to see how this is simple less condemnable than actual heroism.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:02 amthe standard applied to Palin to show her sexism seems a little funny to me
it’s supposed to seem funny cause of it’s supposed to be as patently ridiculous as calling Shirley a racist… but in this I have failed
failed utterly
I despair.
Plus I have that tenoclock.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:05 amOH. Yeah, OK, that would have been pretty funny if I had picked up on it, happyfeet.
Sorry about that.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:14 amNo, you don’t get away with that evasion, you’re insinuating an obvious lie, the kind the nutrooters
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:18 amfloated when she was selected, and nearly a year later, right after she resigned. Your use of a term
from ‘a hive of scum and villainy’ like the Urban
dictionary proves it
noyk,
My email is stashiu3 AT gmail DOT com if you wanted to contact me.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:22 amfeets can be humorous, but some of his obsessions seem to drive him to unpleasant lengths which are highly off-putting – not dissimilar to a certain writer at The Atlantic.
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:30 ambtw, off topic, but Max Baucus takes credit for writing Obamacare, and then denies having read the law.
i react with humor, anger, and a picture of a monkey.
http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/sen-max-baucus-i-wrote-health-care-law.html
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:32 amI’m lurking, but I’m nk not Lovie.
Happyfeet, your fight with “no one you know” is one of the reasons I stopped commenting on this site.
I like you, happyfeet, but on this site “no one you know” has always been a better person than either of us.
nk (db4a41) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:40 amAnd better than me, too, nk.
Seems like it is calming down, which is good.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:46 amshe is awesomeness I am sorry I was querulous
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:56 am“She is hoping to disappear…”
More importantly the Democrats want her to go away. She brings a whole lot of p.r. negatives to the table, from their POV, and no positives.
And, since she has zero powerful friends, she gets tossed under the bus.
Good riddance.
Dave Surls (b7b4a0) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:02 amOK, that is uncalled for.
I no longer have the help of two people who helped me keep the comments civil. But I think you all know how I feel about the kind of comment that I just quoted.
happyfeet, there are plenty of people who would probably like me to ban you, but I don’t want you to disappear, because I value your history of comments.
There were plenty of people who wanted me to ban nk a while back, because he had developed an unfortunate habit of getting personal and nasty. I did not ban him, because I valued his history of comments.
Nk chose to remove himself from the site. I was sad to see that, and wish he would reconsider.
And I am not asking you to remove yourself, happy. I would be sad if you did that.
But I want the good nk and the good happy. I don’t want the people who are nasty. You both have that side.
And I have to say, when it comes to a history of commenting, I value noyk very much. She has always been classy and insightful.
If I were to allow people like her to be driven off, I would be doing something very wrong. She is honorable and does not willfully misrepresent anything. I won’t allow anyone to say otherwise.
I have not read all these comments. If she made a mistake I hope she will correct it. But she does not lie and I will not tolerate people to say otherwise.
Back to happy and nk: both of you have also encountered some nastiness at the hands of others, and I recognize that — but in most cases, it was provoked.
Noyk does not provoke the way you guys have. She deserves better.
I am on vacation. Don’t make me waste any more time on this, please. It’s a blog. Get along.
That is all.
Patterico (acc4ce) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:05 amBy the way: I have the nasty side, too. So I don’t mean to come off high and mighty.
But if i let loose that nasty side against a classy person on another blog, I would respect a blog host who told me I had crossed the line.
It appears as I was writing that long comment on my iPhone that happy calmed down a bit. Good. Let’s lay off personal commentary for now, then. OK?
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:09 amI will apologize as many times as it takes mister
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:11 amUnfortunately, feets, those apologies are perceived to be a bit snarky, so are felt to be insincere.
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:16 amOne man’s perception.
AD, I think the fellow is trying. I know I post when I am upset sometimes, and sometimes not proud of what I wrote (speaking only for myself). Then I need to walk things back to a more civil level of discourse. And I think, again, that is what he is trying to do.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:20 amAlmost always. Something I can do for you noyk?
Comment by Stashiu3 — 8/25/2010 @ 9:58 am
Thanks, Stashiu3, you’re the greatest and thanks for the quick reply. But what prompted my call for you, we seem to have worked out. Thanks again.
Back from a work project…Thanks for the kind words guys, and Patterico as well. You’re all good guys in my book. All o’ yez.
Don’t wanna pry into any “old stuff” but somehow I missed where nk stopped commenting, and am sorry to hear it doesn’t seem to be a break. Like Patterico, I wish nk’d reconsider. There a quite a few a lot of really smart people on this blog and I like reading everyone’s opinions.
Kinda OT but while I’m thinking of it, where’s DRJ these days? Seems I missed what happened there too.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:27 amEB, I know. I’m guilty as charged.
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:30 amA wise man once counselled me that when I am upset with something, I should sit down and write a letter to the object of my ire, and then put that letter into a desk drawer to be reviewed a week later.
Tried it a couple times, and it can work to “cool the coffee in the saucer”.
Unfortunately, the ‘net is too immediate, and we become slaves to our passions too frequently.
DRJ didn’t explain why she stopped posting to the blog, but announced that one of her posts would be her last.
I really like nk’s comments, especially when he’s bucking the popular view or giving an insight into the law. He’s often concise and smart. I don’t even really care that he gets pissed off easily.
I don’t know what seems to be poisoning the well here. I’d be happy to accept criticism, since I do comment a hell of a lot, but I don’t think it has anything to do with me.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:31 am“I will apologize as many times as it takes mister”
Dude, just let it go.
It’s people like Al Gore and Barack Obama that are the enemy, not Sarah Palin.
You don’t trash people that are basically on your side while lefty loons are running the country into the ground.
We had a guy do that once in this country, and he managed to split the Republican Party, which allowed Woodrow Wilson, one of the worst presidents we’ve ever had, get into power…with disastrous results.
So don’t play Teddy Roosevelt. It’s a losing proposition. Just drop it.
Dave Surls (b7b4a0) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:35 amI miss DRJ, too.
AD, I can’t find it, but I seem to remember a story about a person talking with Abraham Lincoln, about how to deal with people who say awful and personal things. He urged the person to write the letter, in as much detail as possible. With as much invective and criticism as needed.
But then I send that? the person asked.
Oh, by no means, Lincoln replied. You never send that letter. Just write it.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:40 amI think the advice I received derived from Mr. Lincoln’s wise counsel.
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:44 amPeople who lie about other’s records, the law, history, when they run out of pseudofacts they
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:47 amstoop to adhominems, that’s whats poisoning the well
No matter its source, I know that I should take that kind of advice much more frequently than I do.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:47 amI will disagree and reiterate my opinion — not popular in some quarters — that, instead, the real enemy is people like Osama bin Laden and his followers.
Al Gore and Barack Obama are Americans who have a different opinion on the direction of this country. It doesn’t generate blog hits to say so, but while I consider their ideas to be not only counterproductive but indeed dangerous, I consider them my fellow countrymen and certainly not the “enemy.”
There. Now we can direct all that vitriol at me. I’m happy to be the lightning rod.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:51 amI would like to think, Patterico, that there is a difference between “enemy” and “Enemy.”
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 11:59 amDRJ left for reasons of her own, which are her business.
Stashiu, I think, got burned out. He set a very high standard for himself and could keep it up for only so long.
He still seems to lurk. DRJ writes but I don’t know if she still reads regularly.
Also reading less regularly, or at least linking less regularly, are the high-traffic blogs. I can’t remember the last time I got a link from Instapundit. Actually I can because the blog went down like it always seems to during big links.
I really thought he would highlight the thuggery against the College Politico because he has generally been good about highlighting such bullying. His blog has historically been a corrective against such overreaching. But this time he showed no interest.
I have theories about it all, but they are only theories.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:02 pmThe most common photo I’ve seen of Obama teaching ‘con law’ is a chart showing the use of agitation to send money from private to public sector because people are susceptible to politicians when agitated. He taught Alinksy.
He’s much, much more cynical than I used to think. As many have said, he’s not a Muslim, but he belongs to some religion that thinks the CIA invented AIDS.
We’re too divided as a nation, and it’s not doing us a lot of good for lefties and righties to think of eachother as enemies. But Obama’s administration is an adversary of prosperity and freedom. Much of his economic work is known, by him, to harm our economic interests. Much of his foreign policy doesn’t make sense unless he really thinks America is an awfully sorry country. Taken to the most personal level, he sent his kids to learn things from the USA invented AIDS guy. His wife takes no pride in America pre 2008.
I hope Obama fails, insofar as I think Obama’s goals are the goals of an Alinksy professor. I have a very hard time seeing how he’s not an enemy.
Compared to Osama Bin Laden, he’s not so bad.
BTW, 10/10 on the lightning rod maneuver.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:04 pmI tend to try to separate the personal from the political, Eric.
I once wrote a post about that, and how I tried to teach my daughter the same principle. My post was largely unremarked upon until it was grabbed hold of and distorted by a blogger beloved by some of the commenters here. Thus transmogrified, my post became proof that I love Obama, or something — and that became the narrative for thousands.
That’s when I realized one’s record really means very little on the Internet. Far more important is the ability of others with personal grudges to rewrite your message for their own benefit. Blogging hasn’t really been the same for me since, quite honestly.
I try to treat my commenters in a way that recognizes that your record really does mean something. I know what it’s like to have people ignore your record, and I don’t want to do that to my commenters.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:15 pmProfessor Reynolds linked to Tucker Carlson’s blog, “The Daily Caller,” on this topic.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/23/politico-threatens-to-sue-blogger-for-trademark-violation-again/
I’m not aware of any personal issues. He has never written anything negative to me about you, but then, he knows I think well of you. And I am a very, very, very small insect-blotch on his blogging windshield.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:19 pmPatterico, there is a science fiction writer who had a new biography just appear. In the 1940s, he divorced a wife and took up with a new woman. The divorced wife was very unstable, and was spreading horrible stories (and lies) to all of their mutual friends.
The author didn’t know what to do—how could he regain his good name? These were people he cared about.
His new wife told him to say nothing, and just live his life by his honest beliefs. Friends would know the truth, or see it. Not-friends would not.
He stayed married to that woman until he died, and she protected and built his reputation every day before and since.
My point is that many of us—like me—lack the “I don’t give a crap what you think” gene. We care too much what people think or say. And the frustrating thing is that people can write and say any bad thing they want; you couldn’t stop them, even if you wanted to do so.
So I guess I am saying that people who spread bad information are saying a lot about themselves.
But living life like the author’s widow suggests—that is tough. It sounds like you are able to do that. I envy that skill, and salute you.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:25 pmI try to treat my commenters in a way that recognizes thy your record really does mean something. I know what it’s like to have people ignore your record, and I don’t want to do that to my commenters.
Comment by Patterico — 8/25/2010 @ 12:15 pm
I watched that unfold in real time IIRC and saw the disconnect between what you were saying you meant and the other blogger’s presentation/understanding of it. Have also noticed your fair treatment of commenters (even before that series of conversations) but hadn’t realized in what ways the former continued to have an effect on the latter. Makes sense, and thanks.
Am also sorry to hear blogging (sounds like it) is less enjoyable for you now. Hope there are steps you can take that might make it more fun for you again. Life’s hard enough w/o your hobbies bringing you down.
no one you know (196ed7) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:30 pmI was, and largely still am, burned out. Not a reflection on Patterico at all and I still have the greatest respect for him. I appreciated the opportunity to help out and know he appreciated the help. Win-win, but I needed a break which might be permanent for health reasons. P has given me an open invitation to return if things change, but no pressure to do so. He’s a kind and classy guy.
Back to lurking now.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:41 pmthe strawberry Talking Rain Twist is nothing to get excited about at all btw
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:45 pmChocolate Rain Twist sounds like a clever dance move. Twist your head away from the mike when you breath, baby.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:50 pm169. That started off nicely, Mr. Feet. Then it went…to a pretty odd place. From an apology to calling someone a “scurrilous mischaracterizer” indeed.
Comment by Eric Blair — 8/25/2010 @ 9:35 am
— But, can you not see that Mr. Feet is the injured party here, Eric? noyk scurrilously mischaracterized him, because when he wrote “what I would say is that she’s a stupid bint” AND “Is Sarah Palin not just a cooze but a sexist cooze?” he meant it only in the most positive non-sexist way imaginable.
Perhaps he can seek redress through Shirley Sherrod. She’s all about building bridges to understanding.
She won’t be helping him personally, you understand. But I’m sure that if she “take[s] him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him.”
Icy Texan (01e21d) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:52 pmThere is a positive side, happyfeet. My opinion of you can only go up from here.
Not that there is any chance of that.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:55 pmOh. That’s good. I had not seen that.
I still think pressure in the form of a boycott would help. I guess he doesn’t agree.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 12:59 pmwhat’s m’chelle wearing exactly on Drudge today I wonder
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:04 pmMaybe he missed my e-mail. He does get a lot of e-mail. I am trying again. My call for a boycott means little if not amplified.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:07 pmI like noyk and hope that she sticks around – a voice of sanity in a crazy world.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:15 pmIn related news (via the boycotted site) comes this tidbit:
“Tom Vilsack is a guy who lives for his job, but that did not stop him from telling President Barack Obama a few weeks ago that he was willing to resign as secretary of agriculture.
Having stepped on the true third rail of American politics — race — Vilsack was willing to throw himself from the sled before somebody else did it for him.”
— You know it’s getting pretty bad when they’re volunteering to go under the bus.
Icy Texan (01e21d) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:17 pmMcCain just turn down
plum lead role in new “oater”
film “Brokedick Mountain”
that one for noyk…
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:31 pm“I will disagree and reiterate my opinion…”
It’s your blog.
I think you’re pretty much allowed to do that.
IMO, however, lefty Dems are a much greater enemy than Muslim terrorists are.
Muslim terrorists can kill some of us, but the Dems can and have caused a lot more damage than Muslim terrorists can. Just their little slaveowners revolt in 1860-65 caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans (including the idiots who were deluded enough to fight for the Dems), and almost split our country in two.
They are definitely the greater threat.
At least that’s my opinion.
But, one thing is for sure, ranting and raving about Sarah Palin or John McCain when guys like Barry O and Nancy Pelosi are running America is way counter-productive, whether you see them as bona fide enemies, or just less preferable.
Also, it’s boring (to me) when feet effectively highjacks the thread, and instead of it being about professional parasites on the government tit (Sherrod), it becomes all about feet’s pathological dislike for some people.
Zzzzzzz.
Spare me.
Let it go, happyfeet, we know you don’t love Palin any too well. I felt the same way about George Bush in 2000 (way too liberal), but I didn’t keep hammering on it, year after year, because if I do do that, then it increases the chances of strengthening the opposition and that’s how dickheads like Woodrow Wilson or Barry Obama get elected.
So…hush up, already.
Dave Surls (b7b4a0) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:38 pmyou just don’t want to have to read my crap is my feel
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 1:47 pmwould that it were so
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/25/2010 @ 2:01 pmhappyfrum. it like turds floating
in delicious punch
it offend Colonel’s
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/25/2010 @ 2:03 pmeyes and usually it
don’t pass the smell test
Shirley Sherrod is not as clean and articulate as Barry O. She ain’t no media superstar.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/25/2010 @ 3:19 pmShe’s clean enough.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/25/2010 @ 3:21 pmMebbe she’ll buy another plantation and keep illegal brown people down.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/25/2010 @ 3:28 pmSS and hf are roughly on the same ground …
each side can take that like they want; but I don’t read feets anymore (hard to read the sexist statements after so long)
Lord Nazh (821ae1) — 8/25/2010 @ 3:31 pmThere were plenty of people who wanted me to ban nk a while back, because he had developed an unfortunate habit of getting personal and nasty. I did not ban him, because I valued his history of comments.
???
Find me one time when it was not in self-defense or in defense of another commenter. Otherwise, this will also be my second to last time lurking.
You have lost more valuable commenters than me, Patterico. Anwyn, Xrlq, Doc Rampage, ADA, to name a few. The commenting here has become centripetal, about a dozen or so, probably come here from Protein Wisdom, who personally attack those who dare to deviate from the orthodoxy.
nk (db4a41) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:03 pmThat is an assumption without any basis in reality.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:11 pmI do not mean to be combative, nk. But, i am one of the few that frequents both sides, and now there is very little crossover.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:23 pmAll right, JD, I believe you.
But on the “nasty and personal”. Can you find me one time when it was not in self-defense or in defense of another commenter? Or a host?
I got on Stashiu’s fecal roster for defending the girl who let her newborn die. Not a word against Stashiu, personally.
Yeasty Texan just goes with the flow. I shrug off her insults most of the time.
John Hitchcock pounds his bible (small “b” intended) and throws cheap shots, me and happyfeet most recently, at those he disagrees with.
“Nasty and personal”? I never drew first blood.
It’s ok. It’s a big internet.
nk (db4a41) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:33 pmnk
ignore the pack, the PW crowd is trying to Goldstein the comments, they have run off contributors not directly but with their over the top cartoonish lack of respect and tolerance for others picking fights making it somewhat painful and miserable to even contribute
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:38 pmYou really are an idiot, EPWJ.
nk – The only time I recall is when you defended the Congresscritter for grabbing a college student for asking him a question, and a challenge to stop you on the sidewalk.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:44 pmCommence the I am a Democrat, I am a Democrat shill, yet I heart Andrew Breitbart, and am working to subvert the Republican party and suppress interest in voting, and the usual litany of nonsense from EPWJ.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:46 pmShiraz declined by the USDA? Oh NO! That is just wrong! Oh, wait….
Californio (2da505) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:50 pmWhat about Pinot Noir? (pronounced “peanut new-our”) Or is the USDA only against the “dark” wines?!!?
Californio (2da505) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:52 pmnk, I like, and if I’ve been part of his problem, I am sorry for that. He didn’t name me, so this probably isn’t about me.
If it is about me, just let me know what the problem is and I will do my best with it. nk isn’t stupid and already knows that I just think he shouldn’t get too upset with attacks that are annoying or personal.
EPWJ, on the other hand, is nonsense at best. It’s great that people are making it miserable for him to offer what passes in his world for contributions, since he is not honest.
Part of discussion is people challenging other people’s assertions. That’s led to a lot of people getting way to personally invested in these debates (I’m noticing a house… of glass… all around me). Is it really getting worse?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:54 pmJD
THanks again twice today for not only self confessing to be one of those I described but living up to it as well
I see that your only goal is to direct and dominate the comments and to ratchet up the comments as to one day (hopefully not – I pray that you dont) but you are at this rate and with the abandon that you seem to think that you can operate within – you are going to cause this blog problems
ME – I you are harmless to me – but others – newcomers who knows who they are – they could be nefarious enemies and as easily as you go over the top – someone who would have the goal of causing problems would find you a virtual feast of actionable fodder,
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:54 pmYou are an imbecile, EPWJ. Objectively. Did Breitbart get indicted yet? How did Scozzafava work out for you? The idea that I can direct the actions here is laughable, a figment of your imagination in my lack of desire and lack of ability to do so. Exactly what actionable problems am I going to cause Patterico? Be specific.
Patterico – Do you consider me to be a threat to your blog, as EPWJ suggests?
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:58 pmDustin,
you were better than that you were thoughful and insightful, and to me you could have been a contributor like DRJ, then you became intolerant, influenced by me partly – I take the blame for that – but you fell in with a crowd and sold yourself out
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 8:58 pmnk – The only time I recall is when you defended the Congresscritter for grabbing a college student for asking him a question, and a challenge to stop you on the sidewalk.
Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 8:44 pm
Fine. But whom did I attack nasty and personal first?
nk (db4a41) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:00 pmI do not recall who, nk. That one just came to mind immediately. Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought you threw out a general challenge to anyone to dare to block you on a sidewalk, or stand in your way, and see what happens. It was odd. But, that is well past, and washed off my back the moment I read it.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:02 pmNo, I couldn’t be a contributor like DRJ. LOL. DRJ is incredibly reserved and I’m a blowhard. Particularly towards liars.
I do not mind a person disagreeing with me on almost anything. I happily admit when my argument fails. But I just can’t stand liars, EPWJ.
I’m quite tolerant of viewpoints or perspectives or different styles (such as the happyfeet style or the John Hitchcock style). I am not tolerant of lying. I guess bigots also get no tolerance from me. I haven’t sold myself out or fallen in with anyone.
I have no illusions that I am verbose and draw conclusions a little too quickly (lol, I’m no DRJ by any stretch and this is absolutely not modesty, real or false, but just the truth). I’m not the ideal commenter or debater. But this has nothing to do with my inability to tolerate your qualities. What’s amusing is that I have linked ironclad proof that you simply lied about me. You have no apology… just personal attacks. That’s shamelessness.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:07 pmOK, let’s go down the list.
I am unaware that Xrlq or Anwyn have declared themselves to be boycotters of this blog. Are they perhaps not on th Internet as much? Not commenting as much? I don’t know.
Doc Rampage insulted DRJ unnecessarily. I handled it badly and acknowledged as much afterwards. He banned himself because of the awkwardness caused by the combination of those events.
Ada, as I recall, threatened violence one too many one and got put in moderation. Apparently he took that badly and also self-banned.
As for you, nk, I don’t really know whether you can claim self-defense for all your nasty and personal insults. Maybe you can. I defended you many times to many different people and would still be glad to have you back. But I could do without the nastiness. I’m just plain tired of that. I’m not sure that any attacks on you were completely unprovoked, but I am tired of trying to assess blame.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:23 pmDustin,
again you stated that you supported bill white and ronnie earl and detested the most conservative republicans ever elected to statewide office in Texas and in US history In Texas we Texans call people like you who make those comments – yellow dog democrats
I wish you hadnt said those things but you proudly pointed them out
And no one believes someone who goes on and on about how they detest a republican but and admire their democrat opponent then state they are going to vote for them
we werent born yesterday
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:23 pmHey, how’s about everyone stop making personal observations about others, starting, oh, say, approximately goddamned now?
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:25 pmDustin – It apparently has a congenital condition that requires it to repeat memes and lies. Actually, Dustin and I are a pretty good case study. Our initial interactions were, a bit less than civil, but we managed to find a way to get along, fairly well I would say now.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:26 pmOh, I posted that before I read the host’s comment. Sorry.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:28 pmAnd it is hardly the Protein Wisdom crowd, nk. The second Karl started blogging here, that guy did his best to polarize the readership of both sides, and counted up the wins and losses explicitly. Go back and check the comments. It was like: “daleyrocks slammed me. Chalk up another win for Patterico!” and so forth.
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:28 pmJD, I actually love your style of putdowns. But this thread has totally degenerated and I am grumpy. Maybe we could find something cheerful to discuss?
Patterico (a7990b) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:35 pmI liked the song I linked in the Hooters thread because it actually had a line about Hooters in the chorus.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:36 pmhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ju1QYm9RgyQ/TB_Qev6-O_I/AAAAAAAAAOI/tCuaA-27zQQ/s1600/100_0293.JPG
I will have this for lunch tomorrow. I am already smiling.
This song should cheer everyone up too … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4&ob=av2e
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:39 pmJD
My stance on Dee Dee was this,
I knew this election was about the deciding vote in the health care bill Pelosi was cramming down our throats
A republican – not a tea party win – would have maybe – just maybe scared off some just a few – dems in vulnerale seats to not drink that grape voting koolaid that Nanzti was insisting that her side drink
I looked at her record and her proformance and it was mixed but she wasnt near near near the liberal that the guy – who vacated that Republican seat to enjoin the Obama team – ultimatly was
Sure Dee Dee was picked by a Republican group – but that was the process
And absolutely anyone like an obscure state senator who’s dragged through the entire country as a buffoon would melt down –
We were at a critical time in our country we didnt have votes to throw away – which is what we did
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:48 pmFriends we are, friends we will stay.
nk (db4a41) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:51 pmMy two cents: I’m pretty fed up with the crude sexual references made re women – whether it’s Palin or whoever, stop already. There are very few women commenting here and I assume all would like to be taken seriously and not have to be distracted by some denigrating sexual reference causing one to weigh out rebuking the dope who made the comment, looking the other way because the offender doesn’t care or see any problem with it, or just sighing in resignation. All a no-win.
Too frequently and too easily it seems like a men’s club. But that might be what people want.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:52 pmSince Patterico asked me to not mock or put down anyone in this thread anymore, I will follow the age old rule of if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
This is me saying nothing to that lying twatwaffle EPWJ
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:53 pmDana – If I do that, will you whack me in the skull with a stilleto? In all seriousness, I know I have hard edges, but I try to avoid that, in general.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:54 pmI haven’t noticed you doing that, JD. Hard edges are no matter, crudities when referencing women an entirely different matter. I’ll keep my 4″ heels ready just in case.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 8/25/2010 @ 9:59 pmThank you, Dana. Now, go make me a sammich. Ducks and runs.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:01 pmJD has a great point. We had a strong difference of opinion (and I was too sensitive about it), and we were both willing to own our respective points of view and defend them. That’s how adults handle disagreements.
anyone who cares already understand my point on epwj, so I guess I’ll let his red herring defense slide(most of his red herring points were truthful, actually, and I’m not ashamed of them). The link says it all.
I wish I had never bothered with the PW blog war. I thought that would end in an hour, and it lasted months. People get so personally invested in this stuff. Which is normal, but I wish I hadn’t gotten into that one.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:02 pmJD
Good luck to you I will answer your questions respectfully, you may not like it that you shill for democrats but that generally what reasonable people see, when people constantly make statements linking republicans to be the problem.
I dont think anyone who’se even remotely reasonable is going to accept arguments that republican are dem lite
EricPWJohnson (e83e82) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:11 pmLOL, JD, he’s trying really hard. It must drive him nuts that you’re such a damn moby bastard.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:15 pmGood Allah, you moron. Patterico asked people to quit, yet you persist in your idiocy. It is like you mainline absinthe, while munching on peyote buttons.
“…generally what reasonable people see…” I guess if you consider delusional ‘tards reasonable people, you might have a valid point. Do you consider the people that comment here reasonable?
How about we ask everyone else here what they think. Am I a shill for Democrats, and am I a Democrat? Would a reasonable person conclude that I am a Democrat?
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:18 pmHow about we ask a Democrat, or a liberal. I wonder if aphrael and Leviticus would consider my point of view being within their tent?
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:19 pmGoodnight, racists. If there is a pharmacist in the house …
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:20 pmJD, you should begin your posts with “My fellow Democrats.”
I mean, honestly. The guy is just trying to irritate you.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:22 pmGoodnight, my fellow Democrats. I will see you at the moveon meetup tomorrow morning. Please remember to donate to the MadCow PAC and look for the next OfA missive. Let us work to keep the red plague from returning to power in Washington.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:24 pmI heard you were entering into a domestic partnership with Rachel Maddow, JD. Purely platonically.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:25 pmJD, you’re an obvious Democrat shill and a moby. Any thinking person would know that. Besides, I was in the voting booth watching you vote for Billy Carter.
(You know what’s the most fun with piling on? When you’re jumping on top of an already present pile and you’re pounding your knees into the back of the person who is not on the bottom of the pile.)
Oh, and just in case, /snark.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:26 pmMy patchouli has burnt out, and my solar panels are running low on power, so I need to bid you all adieu. May Mother Gaia bring peace and peace into your life, and may the progressive movement bring equality and social justice to all of the citizens of the universe. ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
JD (3dc31c) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:29 pmohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You know what’s funny? The only part of P90X my wife has heard is when they make you do that at the end of the yoga routine. Totally lost some macho credibility, and it’s not fair at all!
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:31 pmIf that tent stretched past Pluto, it wouldn’t be expansive enough to make you a Dem, JD.
AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a) — 8/25/2010 @ 10:35 pm225.you just don’t want to have to read my crap is my feel
Comment by happyfeet — 8/25/2010 @ 1:47 pm
— Linda Blair spewed less offensive material
Icy Texan (2b06b5) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:57 amnk:
on the “nasty and personal”. Can you find me one time when it was not in self-defense or in defense of another commenter?
— Agreed. You ARE consistent in that you always feel the need to be nasty in defense of being challenged on the validity of your points; your contention that it is okay to strike someone that gets in your way on the sidewalk, and your subsequent declaration of ‘no one talk to me unless you’re a lawyer’ being a prime example.
I got on Stashiu’s fecal roster for defending the girl who let her newborn die. Not a word against Stashiu, personally.
— You made my crap chart with that one, too.
Yeasty Texan just goes with the flow. I shrug off her insults most of the time.
Icy Texan (2b06b5) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:24 am— By lofting a few insults of your own? “yeasty”? “her”? True, my screen name doesn’t identify gender, any more than yours does, yet somehow I ALWAYS remember that you are male.
JD, you should begin your posts with “My fellow Democrats.”
I mean, honestly. The guy is just trying to irritate you.
Comment by Eric Blair — 8/25/2010 @ 10:22 pm
My patchouli has burnt out, and my solar panels are running low on power, so I need to bid you all adieu. May Mother Gaia bring peace and peace into your life, and may the progressive movement bring equality and social justice to all of the citizens of the universe. ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 10:29 pm
LOL
After Eric’s post was going to propose “see you bigots around” for your daily signoff, but this is waaayyyy better. Heh.
no one you know (6631bc) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:34 amSee you thought I was kidding about how they would make up violent action to attribute to the tea parties, nope;
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/video-shows-carnahan-staffer-firebomber-has-history-of-attacking-tea-partiers-media-silent/
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:01 amEPWJ, frankly, I’m completely baffled at what you think you are accomplishing here. I know of no one here that considers your comments seriously.
Plainly tell me what the purpose of your act is.
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