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Politico Engages in Thuggery Against Conservative Blogger: It’s Boycott Time

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:08 pm

The boycott of Politico is back on.

As regular readers will remember, I vowed to boycott Politico almost a year ago, after they issued a cease-and-desist letter to Stephen Gutowski, aka The College Politico.  Politico lawyers claimed that Gutowski was infringing their trademark by using the word “politico” — a commonly used term defined in the dictionary as “politician.”

Some time later, I wrote Gutkowski to ask what had happened with the lawyers.  He told me he thought the episode was behind him:

[In response to my e-mail, Gutkowski] said that [Politico] had never followed up and he assumed that they had silently backed down. He doesn’t consider it an issue any more, and accordingly, neither do I.

Well, things just changed.  The Daily Caller reports that, this week,

Gutowski received another take-down notice [PDF], this time arguing that he’s “squatting” on the domain.

“We have not received any response to our demand that Mr. Gutowski immediately cease all use of any marks or domain names that are confusingly similar to the POLITICO Marks, including all use of the mark THE COLLEGE POLITICO and the domain name ‘,’ and that Mr. Gutowski promptly take all necessary steps to transfer ‘’ domain name to out client,” the letter reads.

The letter also charges that Gutowski’s use of the word “politico” is “actiononable under both the Anti-Cybersquatting Consumer Protection Act,” which prevents consumers from buying up domain names and using them to wring money out of companies or persons who might one day seek to start a website using their name in the URL.

In other words, they’re still threatening to sue.

This cannot stand.

This is a bogus claim with no legal merit.  It’s classic Internet bullying by the Big Guy against the Little Guy — with no basis in law.

We must fight it.

I am on a Politico e-mail list that sends out Politico stories to bloggers.  I am unsubscribing from that list tonight, and explaining why.  I am reinstating my boycott on the site — meaning I will not link Politico stories until this is resolved in a manner favorable to Gutowski. I encourage all like-minded bloggers to do the same.

We’re not submitting to bogus licensing demands by the government, and we’re not giving in to legal thuggery.

We have to take a stand.

Spread the word.

92 Responses to “Politico Engages in Thuggery Against Conservative Blogger: It’s Boycott Time”

  1. Politico has lefty tendencies so it will be a small loss anyway.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  2. Their content alone is worthy of boycotting – ehich I am already doing – I wonder if Tom over at RCP would enjoin it as his powerful blog passes loads of traffic Politico’s way

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  3. Controlling teh narrative. That’s what it’s all about.

    Icy Texan (1bfb92)

  4. If they succeed, I’m going to do the same thing with the word “the”.

    Don’t any of you use it without my express written permission.

    Guy Who Ownes "the" (242026)

  5. I don’t read them unless they are linked anyway. But now I’ll send them a note to let them know how much I’ll enjoy NOT reading them until they quit being such mean little boogers.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  6. to let them know how much more I’ll enjoy NOT reading them there, a slight change for emphasis.

    Seems there ia a quorum to ignore them, if not boycott them anyway. When I heard Hewitt give them air time years ago when they first started I suspected they were another “sneak in the liberal line under the cover of nonpartisan objectivity”.

    P.J. for MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  7. “Controlling teh narrative. That’s what it’s all about.”

    Seems to be more about controlling trademarks.

    geoff (8bb588)

  8. I am going to follow VL’s wise commentary and dropp them a note to tell them that they are nozzles of douche.

    JD (305567)

  9. politico is gay anyway last time I clicked over they were fellating the white house chef for some ungodly reason… I was so embarrassed that I haven’t been back

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  10. I still get pissed when I forget to check a link from Drudge or HotAir, and end up at that site.

    It’s just another Lefty mouthpiece.

    NavyspyII (df615d)

  11. If I had a blog, I wouldn’t link to them either. I will continue to not read them, as well. It’s the best I can do to stand up for the little guy.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  12. Why stop at “politico”? “Political” sounds quite similar and could be confusing to some or their readers (or at least some of their writers), so they should go after all the blogs that uses “political” in their names, or perhaps even describe themselves as being “political” commentary, or some other shifty dodge.

    Kevin Murphy (5ae73e)

  13. Is it too early for this?

    “Death to tyrants!”

    Greg (e5091d)

  14. Protectionist selling thugs with the law as their can of gasoline. Add politico to the list of blacklisted sources, don’t go there.

    htom (412a17)

  15. The Politico’s Ben Smith, Mike Allen and Lisa Lerer were on the JournoList.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  16. But they are non-partisan, Brother Bradley. It is true. How do I know it is true? Because they say so. That is all.

    JD (305567)

  17. I’m with you, Patterico

    SPQR (26be8b)

  18. You know what else sounds kinda like “Politico”? Patterico, that’s what. Be on your guard, sir – who knows how far this might go?

    I mean, “L.A. Times De-Pantser’s Pontifications” just doesn’t have the same ring to it…

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  19. Can we add he Las Vegas Review Journal and all other publications from Stephens Media?

    SaintGeorgeGentile (3a9a86)

  20. JD,
    A lot of left-leaning groups use the term “non-partisan” in the narrowest technical sense to mean they don’t explicitly favor a political party. They’re as happy to support left-leaning Republicans as left-leaning Democrats.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  21. Ben Smith is a hack.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  22. BTW, he can take those cutsey – pie field glasses and…

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  23. Only go there on blind links.
    Their page formats weirdly on my screen, and I don’t enjoy dealing with it.

    AD - RtR/OS! (4ab397)

  24. Las Vegas Review-Journal?

    Can’t do that, I enjoy the columns of Vin Suprynowicz too much.

    AD - RtR/OS! (4ab397)

  25. Politico doesn’t always suck, though it often sucks. So it’s slightly ahead of par for journalism. But bullying tactics like this really tear the entire field apart, so I’ll just add politico in to the New Haven block list I’ve got running. Hopefully Politico apologizes to College Politico and their readers for acting quite stupidly.

    As far as Las Vegas Review-Journal, my understanding is that one of the suits was against Democratic Underground, for a mere commenter over-quoting and discussing their article. A mischievous mind could really go to town with that kind of bullying. In fact, New Haven could very easily post the stories themselves before demanding restitution, kinda like what Viacom did on Youtube.

    Usually I laugh at serious internet business, but this kind of crap is pretty serious to me.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  26. Thank you for all the support guys. I’m not giving up this fight.

    Stephen Gutowski (1add04)

  27. politico is gay anyway last time I clicked over they were fellating the white house chef for some ungodly reason… I was so embarrassed that I haven’t been back

    Damn. Everytime I work-up a good mad about Mr. or Ms. Feet, he/she comes up with something that makes me forget the past. Well played, HF!

    Old Coot (fc2376)

  28. Already quit them. Never go there or to NYT, all that smarmy crap is irritating, and real life is irritating enough. There are enough articles about Politico and NYT content that IF they say anything pertinent, it gets around.

    jodetoad (7720fb)

  29. I will never link the Las Vegas Review-Journal again. But one issue at a time.

    This post would be more effective if it were linked by, well, anybody. Feel free to pass along the word to the bigger blogs. That would help.

    Patterico (4fa0d0)

  30. Can we add he Las Vegas Review Journal and all other publications from Stephens Media?

    Comment by SaintGeorgeGentile

    There is a Firefox app that will block all Stephens owned publications. Additionally, Vin Suprynowicz has a blog.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  31. Just added Politico to my SiteBlock list, which I had established for New Haven.

    LarryD (f22286)

  32. Yea I linked it Pat; but it won’t help get the word out 🙂

    Lord Nazh (821ae1)

  33. Firefox addon BlockSite… and added.

    The joy of this is I don’t see links, can’t load their site; and will “boycott” them without thinking about it until I decide otherwise.

    And since I can’t go to their site, or see links to them; it seems unlikely I’ll remember to unblock them. Definitely think this addon was worth the download.

    Ertdfg (25ea0f)

  34. Patterico is right. I have removed Politico from my favorites list and won’t visit the site again (not a hard vow to keep–it’s become boring and predictable lately). More important, however, in view of the two astonishing posts that preceded the Politico one, I have stopped reading the LATimes and am writing the publisher explaining why–that it’s loony-left, blame America first, relentlessly PC content is simply too much to bear.

    Kevin Stafford (abdb87)

  35. Kevin:

    Welcome to the crowd! You won’t regret it.

    Patterico (9e08e8)

  36. Blocked ’em at the firewall. Just some things can’t be tolerated.

    Gerald A (13dc0b)

  37. #25 Stephen Gutowski:

    I’m not giving up this fight.

    Glad to hear it. May it be short, and painful to your oppressor.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  38. Another guy here saying that he doesn’t understand why any conservative site would ever bother with Politico, anyway. The JournoList scandal really helped nail down how Politico is a dedicated part of the Dem machine. For that matter, I can’t understand why so many conservative sites still include Gawker on a blog roll, after the way they went after Michelle Malkin. Not this site, of course. I guess it’s mostly conservative sites that are afraid of looking uncool.

    SeriouslyDon'tGetIt (335188)

  39. .

    I would like to point out that the entire CONCEPT of cybersquatting is:
    a) unAmerican in general
    b) flat-out ludicrous on the surface
    c) an affront to the entire entrepreneurial spirit.

    This is not a case of someone just going in and “taking something” over that no one was using.

    You don’t get a domain except by paying for it
    And that from officially recognized authorities with the legal right to “grant” you “ownership”.

    Let’s use a real-world example — I discover a newly opening interchange will be built at the intersection of an interstate and a heavily used road. I locate the owners of property around that intersection, and, in rational anticipation of the value/utility of that land rising, I buy one or more plots of land there in advance.

    Now, 2 years later, when the interchange is opened, McDonalds decides they want to build a McD’s on one of my land plots.

    …But they don’t want to actually pay the price I’m demanding for it… so they go to court and have the land taken away from me??

    Simply because I was actually smart enough to anticipate the demand for that land…?

    How DARE I…?

    Q.E.D. — This whole notion of cybersquatting is sheer, unmitigated CRAP, and the idea that the courts support it is flat out ridiculous.

    It’s nothing but a complete and utter failure of the court system to properly and fairly implement rules, and a triumph of corporate greed.


    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)

  40. > #25 Stephen Gutowski

    Have you checked with FIRE?
    They usually tackle educational issues but this may be a bit outside their common baliwick, which seems more business oriented though it’s tied to college… but at the least, they might be able to direct you to someone…

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)

  41. You said it, IgotBupkis.

    I’ve seen some horrible abuses of this cyber squatting accusation. There’s a software developer names Mike Row, his website was Until he got hit with that charge.

    There is a computer dealer named Nissan, and he’s got a good discussion of his problems with Nissan, the carmaker.

    It’s one of those problems with a solution that isn’t perfect, loser pays or more sanctions/disbarment for trolly lawyers. Until someone comes up with a perfect solution, I say try this solution and see what happens and what tweaks are needed. Kinda like term limits. It ain’t perfect, so let’s do nothing.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  42. I don’t think Fire would help, as this isn’t oppression from the academy. Perhaps they could refer the issue. bloggers definitely need to have some kind of organized response to this, though. A fire-like legal advocacy organization.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  43. Hmmmm.

    The solution is amazingly simple:

    Just go out and spend a couple bucks and register a domain name with “politico” in it and then send an email to the law firm telling them to go kiss a**.

    What are they going to do? Expend billable hours on every single domain that has “politico” in it? How expensive is that going to be? If they make a stink of it just offer to sell the domain name to them for $200 USD. Voila! Instant profit.

    Repeat as necessary until either owns a million domain names, runs out of money or finally throws in the towel.

    memomachine (24fbc0)

  44. memomachine, very poor advice. That kind of conduct would cause them to file suit, and get a judgment that included attorneys’ fees.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  45. Hmmmm.

    Another to make is that say you have registered as a domain. You get a cease and desist letter. Drag it out for as long as you can and inflict as many billable hours as possible on by responding excessively to the law firm. When you’ve run the line as long as possible then find someone else to transfer the domain name to in an equal domain name exchange.

    Then start the process all over again.

    memomachine (24fbc0)

  46. “Q.E.D. — This whole notion of cybersquatting is sheer, unmitigated CRAP, and the idea that the courts support it is flat out ridiculous. ”

    There is such a thing as trademark law. And there is such a thing as it being abused. You think you can start a burger joint named mcdonalds on your own land?

    geoff (4ef30d)

  47. Hmmmm.

    “Now, 2 years later, when the interchange is opened, McDonalds decides they want to build a McD’s on one of my land plots.

    …But they don’t want to actually pay the price I’m demanding for it… so they go to court and have the land taken away from me??

    Simply because I was actually smart enough to anticipate the demand for that land…? “

    Funny enough that happens rather often and it’s called “eminent domain”.

    memomachine (24fbc0)

  48. geoff, the difference is that cybersquatting is about the use of a limited resource, domain names. And it is about preventing the use of any domain name that is similar to another’s mark.

    Trademark law in other realms is not so broad. I can’t open a burger stand named “McDonalds” but I can open a home construction company named “McDonalds” or a car dealership etc.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. “geoff, the difference is that cybersquatting is about the use of a limited resource, domain names.”

    And the claims are trademark claims. A mark owner doesn’t lose their mark if they don’t rush to register their mark under all TLDs. I do agree it gets more complicated as a URL is both an address/location as well as a name.

    “Trademark law in other realms is not so broad. I can’t open a burger stand named “McDonalds” but I can open a home construction company named “McDonalds” or a car dealership etc.”

    Mark owners also don’t get total rights to their marks. You may be able to run a taco stand named something similar to “politico” but you probably can’t run a news website.

    geoff (ae4d0b)

  50. geoff, mark owners do not get to monopolize generic or descriptive terms either. And it is more than “complicated” that domain names are of a restrictive space compared to all marks. It means that mark owners would be monopolizing far more than they are allowed under traditional trademark law.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. To SPQR’s point, Wendy’s has a trademark on “Wendy’s”; their signs read “Wendy’s Old Fashioned Hamburgers”, but anyone can use “old fashioned hamburgers” as part of the name for their burger joint.

    Icy Texan (1bfb92)

  52. memomachine

    i like it. its sort of an everyone draw mohammed approach to defeating an IP.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  53. SPQR – have you notice how similar geoff’s twatwafflery is to the former imdw’s?

    JD (25347b)

  54. Okay geoff. Here it is:
    Trademarks. The Politico trademarks, service marks, product and service names, and other corporate indicia (the “The Politico Marks”) are the property of Allbritton Communications Company, an affiliate of Capitol News Company, LLC. You agree not to display or use in any manner any of The Politico Marks without our prior permission.

    — And The College Politico violated this HOW? The site design is completely dissimilar: no similarity in fonts, colors, backgrounds, or frames, Politico is NOT in all caps; and yes, the use of “the” (POLITICO does not call itself “THE POLITICO” or “The POLITICO”) distinguishes it as well. BTW, nowhere on the POLITICO site does it say that “POLITICO” is a registered trademark of anything: website, web news & commentary organization, dot com, or otherwise. Nothing.

    Icy Texan (1bfb92)

  55. “Patterico’s Politico Pontifications”
    “Patterico, the Pontificating Politico”

    Icy Texan (1bfb92)

  56. They’re trying to erase the real history of the word.

    htom (412a17)

  57. There is such a thing as trademark law

    Have you found a vid on YouTube demonstrating your point? Because if it doesn’t exist, you’re full of crap, according to your rules of evidence.

    C’mon, Jeffy – let’s see that vid!

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  58. > #40 IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society

    Have you checked with FIRE?

    Luckily I already have a couple of lawyers who are helping me out pro-bono so I’m good on that front.

    Thanks though

    Stephen Gutowski (1add04)

  59. This post is on Surber’s blog and the HotAir headlines now (from the Daily Caller), so it’s spreading.

    Lord Nazh (821ae1)

  60. “geoff, mark owners do not get to monopolize generic or descriptive terms either”

    Descriptive terms can become trademarks, but “politico” may be suggestive, rather than descriptive. “playboy” is in the dictionary, but there are certain businesses that you won’t be able to run that use that mark.

    geoff (017d51)

  61. I don’t comment often here, but I DO HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO JEFFAFFAFFA, as we say in TEXAS, “Fuck you and the horse you rode in on” Geoffaffaffa. You and all of your Islamic loving idiot asshole buddies too. Anyone that thinks there is such a thing as a “moderate muslim” is living in fantasyland. Just read by an ex-muslim who states that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. These so-called “moderate muslims” either are using taquiya, or are ignorant what Islam actually is, and are considered to be apostates.

    He also points out, when criticized as to why he isn’t anti-christian, he is more of an agnostic or atheist now, that the closer that Muslims follow the Quoran, the more violent they become, and the closer that a Christian follows the Bible, the more peaceful they become.

    So argue with an ex-muslim about how he is being racist and intolerant. By the way just when was the last time a Christian commandeered a plane and flew it into a building of innocents?

    FYATHURIO (fuck you and the horse you rode in on

    peedoffamerican (9e4a2d)

  62. geoff, if you want to argue that politico has secondary meaning, go for it. For now, that’s their attorney’s burden.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  63. Looks to me like politico might want that domain for themselves and are just trying to crush him to get it. Also, copyright lawyers tend to be a bit overbroad in their understanding of what is required to protect a copyright. They’re like rabid hydras, trying to attack the whole world at once just in case something might hurt their client.

    Christopher Taylor (3162a1)

  64. Hmmmph. Someone else nudge Glen, too, and the Conspiracy.

    htom, not a professional politico (412a17)

  65. Not all of us are rabid hydras, Christoper, not all of us.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  66. “geoff, if you want to argue that politico has secondary meaning, go for it. For now, that’s their attorney’s burden.”

    How would that work? Could one use as evidence the title of this thread? Patterico said “politico engages in thuggery.” Did anyone think he meant something other than the news website owned by allbritton?

    geoff (48082b)

  67. #64 SPQR:

    Not all of us are rabid hydras, Christoper, not all of us.

    Oh, I got to be a Little Eichmann for awhile a few years ago! Did I get to be a rabid hydra, too?

    oH, guess not. Wasn’t the Christopher I was expecting and this one was just referring to copyright lawyers.

    Oh well. Maybe next time. 🙁

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  68. EW1(SG), I heckled Ward Churchill at a rally a year or two ago, so I guess I still am a Little Eichmann.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  69. Off my Favorites. Good luck, Stephen Gutowski. I’ve always disdained bullies, especially the insufferable little Eichmann sorts who imperiously inform their prey that they are very serious people, lest you have any doubt.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  70. If Politico owns everything with “politico” in it, does Facebook own everything with “book” in it?

    Well, yes it does.

    A site for teachers called “Teachbook” is being sued by Facebook.

    Patrick, are you boycotting Facebook?

    TomHynes (2e563b)

  71. #67 SPQR:

    I heckled Ward Churchill

    I’m jealous!

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  72. TomHynes,


    Then again, I doubt I have the same kind of leverage against Facebook that I do against Politico.

    Or, that I would have had . . . if Glenn Reynolds had linked this post.

    Patterico (9e08e8)

  73. How about setting up a legal defense fund for this guy? Obviously Politco has zero legal standing, but they can still bankrupt him through lawsuits (sound familiar, AK bloggers?).

    ol_dirty_/b/tard (804d70)

  74. Patterico, Hynes owns you … you can only boycott what he says it is OK for you to boycott.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. I saw this linked from Politico at another site and it’s just so cute I have to post it while still maintaining my Politico boycott.

    Speaking at a political forum in Harlem on Monday night, Rep. Charlie Rangel appeared to sharpen his public defiance of President Obama’s suggestion that he retire “with dignity” over his ethics woes, The New York Times’ Michael Barbaro reports:

    “Frankly, he has not been around long enough to determine what my dignity is,” Mr. Rangel said of the 49-year-old Mr. Obama. “For the next two years, I will be more likely to protect his dignity.”

    “My dignity is 80 years old,” Rangel explained in an interview after the forum, per Barbaro. “How can somebody so much younger tell me how to leave with dignity?”

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  76. This is OT. But do you recall the heated discussion several people conducted recently on this blog concerning election fraud? And who is most likely to perpetrate it, Left or right? Well this piece from the Detroit Free Press may help us further explore that question.

    Hint: it involves a fake Tea Party slate.

    elissa (f224b1)

  77. That is not a Dem, elissa, it is just a single solitary individual that you cannot prove had any bearing on the actual outcome of any election whereas Diebold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JD (3dc31c)

  78. elissa-
    I’m surprised you fell for that. It’s obvious that the Dems have done nothing wrong. Actually, Karl Rove was behind it. “Little Roves” pretended to be Democrats pretending to be Tea Partiers. [ 😉 Sarc.]

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  79. Notice how the Dems are the ones that actually do the things they wail about Republicans doing? They send plants to Tea Parties to act racist. They plant candidates. Forge affidavits. Fraudulently register voters nationwide. The list is endless, and writes itself.

    JD (3dc31c)

  80. ” Hint: it involves a fake Tea Party slate.”

    I guess not just anyone can use the name “tea party.”

    geoff (de7003)

  81. Well JD and MD, I can be sort of naive sometimes, but just in case, I think I’m going to kind of keep my eye on this Michigan thing to see how it turns out!

    elissa (f224b1)

  82. Along comes a Leftist to advocate for fraud. SHOCKA

    JD (3dc31c)

  83. I wrote Reynolds, not that he knows me or probably even saw the email in the flood of emails he probably gets.

    I see he just linked the Daily Caller on the Politico’s bullying, though.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  84. Politico?

    That’s a lefty site.

    Who the hell goes there?

    And, big surprise that a pack of pint-sized lefties are acting like pint-sized tyrants.

    That’s what lefties are all about.

    Dave Surls (40604e)

  85. I guess not just anyone can use the name “tea party.”
    Comment by geoff — 8/24/2010 @ 8:05 pm

    — Does anyone else get the impression that “Sideshow geoff” likes stepping on rakes? Why else would he do it so much?
    Oh well. For the record:
    geoff, are you asserting that Stephen Gutowski is intentionally misrepresenting his blog as being connected to POLITICO? If so, then prove it. If not, then apologize for your totally b.s. comparison with the false Tea Party.

    Icy Texan (564fa3)

  86. Every ballot this November should have a slate designated as “tea party.”

    geoff (017d51)

  87. Every ballot this November should have a slate

    They usually do.

    Other than that, do you ever have anything worthwhile to add? Ever?

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  88. Comment by elissa

    I hope you realize we were making light of the topic, not because it is trivial, but anticipating defense of it from the usual suspects.

    Of course you are not naive, you hang out here. (Some who visit here are just plain wrong, but not naive, unless you are talking about my knowledge of the law. If I knew law, I wouldn’t need to come here to learn.)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  89. Oh, no worries MD in Philly. I absolutely knew you were funnin’. I prolly should have added something like an *eye roll* or a sticky outey tongue smiley face figure to my response to more clearly show you that I was funnin’ back. I appreciate your concern for my feelings though. (And in those few minutes of OT repartee our trollish friend, geoff, once again did not disappoint. He came right through to show exactly what he is, and how he thinks.)

    I do plan to keep an eye on the courtroom outcome of this sordid plan by some Michigan Dems to influence the vote. The Detroit FREEP is known as a left leaning/labor paper and that made their strong editorial about the Dems’ malfeasance there, and the need to protect the electoral process, all the more powerful. Hopefully, others will take the FREEP’s advice and look for additional places this sliminess may also be occurring. I note that the story has been picked up by at least one lefty blog, Talk Left, and they are not happy about the bad taste this stupid stunt will leave with voters- especially independents.

    Hey, the vote stealing thugs may be creative, but nobody ever said they were smart!

    elissa (f224b1)

  90. Unless it is on youtube, it did not happen, elissa. And that is nothing compared to a hypothetical DIEBOLD.

    JD (3dc31c)

  91. Jeffy will be gone shortly; Pre – K starts in a few weeks. BTW, he never did respond to my sources discussing the incident in question – his own mouthpiece posted about the event occuring, and that ABC pulled the vid only hours after they aired it. But alas, the ultimate authority on everything didn’t have the vid anymore. So that’s that.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

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