Patterico's Pontifications

8/21/2010

Open Thread

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:06 pm



My firm stands:

Obama bad.

Ground Zero mosque bad.

Sarah Palin good.

That’s my stand, by God, and I’m sticking with it regardless of the personal cost!

297 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. This post too wordy. I could not make all way through. Blogger not understand advantage brevity.

    Counterfactual (c497d2)

  2. Sarah Palin good.

    Don’t tell that to HF. She’s too something or other for him. Not sure exactly what. Christian possibly.

    Gerald A (2b94cf)

  3. Dear Patterico: maybe you need to be more like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeK5ZjtpO-M

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  4. And can we not have a HF Battle? Counsel will stipulate that Mr. Feet finds her satanic and there we could move on?

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  5. Good deal, but you dropped a whole lot of chum for our mad pikachu/penguin

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  6. For some reason, I am reminded of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S82jwZ0pD1k

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  7. host with a short post

    is man with little text box

    in big word world

    Specialist Haiku (fb8750)

  8. I actually like the article about Barney Frank coming home to the facts. Of course, Barney Frank is an obvious right-wing extremist, so what he says can be discounted in the mainstream liberal world of Pelosi, Weiner, Grayson.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  9. John…how the heck would the basic leftist allow that???? Isn’t Fannie/Freddie the ultimate in “share the wealth” by forcing the government to pay for mortgages of those who can’t pay their own, and back the rest for those “poor” who can???

    He’s saying that in his home state….remember the quasi-RINO Scott Brown won there the same way….

    reff (176333)

  10. Obama Bad
    GSM Stupid
    Bobby Jindal Good

    Christian (f10530)

  11. Oh, Go Saints!!!

    reff (176333)

  12. I do not dislike Palin as much as I dislike Kyle Busch, but it is close, and he is evil.

    JD (3dc31c)

  13. Amen.

    em (ae4747)

  14. I do not dislike Reagan as much as I dislike Palin, but it is close…

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  15. Kyle Busch voted for Obama, wants socialized medicine, and approves of the Ground Zero not-Mosque

    JD (3dc31c)

  16. I heard someone say the other day that they would have no problems with the GZM as long as they could start work on their remote-controlled 707, with its maiden flight out of LaGuardia.

    Leonardo DaFinchi (b0247f)

  17. Kyle Busch would tongue kiss Fidel Castro, given the opportunity, NTTAWWT.

    JD (3dc31c)

  18. I don’t dislike Palin at all….not any more than I dislike Obama. I just don’t agree with his policies, and his choices for staff/administration are so bad….Palin would choose better people and her policies would be better, but, she’d have a PR problem with Congress fighting her every step….

    reff (176333)

  19. As for Kyle Busch, who cares….NASCAR IS NOT A FUCKING SPORT!!!

    reff (176333)

  20. My firm stands:

    –Obama worse than bad. He’s a smug, cynical, loony-left liar who is a disgrace to the office he will hold for precisely one term.

    –Ground Zero mosque not a mosque at all, but rather a monument to the slaughter of innocent Americans. Shame on B. Hussein O.

    –Sarah Palin is a self-satisfied, intellectually challenged quitter who says stuff I tend to agree with.

    Kevin Stafford (abdb87)

  21. Celebrity spokesmodel Sarah Palin flitters about looking for yummy cake. Mmmm death panel cake mmmm Meghan’s daddy cake mmmm victory mosque cake mmmm Dr. Laura n-word cake.

    But here’s the curious part. When she finds the tasty cake she doesn’t eat the tasty cake not even a little. She crawls inside cunning as can be and then with a wooohooo look at me you betcha she jumps out of teh cake!!! And everyone says that’s our Sarah!

    And it never gets old.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  22. she’d have a PR problem with Congress fighting her every step….

    Name one Republican President who hasn’t had a “PR problem” since lamestream media writes the tales.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  23. We were not attacked
    by mosques on nine eleven
    or the Muslums, either,

    but by crazy
    people that hijacked some planes
    and a religion

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  24. John, not disagreeing at all….but, with the PDS in the MSM, she’d not have a chance, unless she can use the bully pulpit and whip their ass…and, she might….

    reff (176333)

  25. And you should have intimate knowledge of the way a crazy person thinks.

    Leonardo DaFinchi (b0247f)

  26. chrissyhooten…what was the religion they hijacked, and what are the teachings of that religion???

    You (NOT) magnificent slut….

    I was going to print that, but, I didn’t want to feed the troll…

    reff (176333)

  27. I wish people would quit calling Sarah Palin a quitter. She is not a quitter. After the 2008 Presidential election, highly unethical and corrupt leftists wanted to utterly destroy her, silence her, and leave her destitute. They were, and still are, afraid of her. All those absolutely false ethics charges were bankrupting her and locking down the Alaska government. She left office so Alaska could go on with the business of governing itself and so she could survive the corrupt attempt at bankrupting and silencing her.

    And there is absolutely zero evidence that she is “intellectually challenged.” Zero evidence whatsoever. The left used that false allegation against Reagan, both Bushes, etc.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  28. Kyle Busch is a better person than crissyhooten, and less dishonest.

    JD (3dc31c)

  29. We’d all be wailin’
    under President Palin
    because of failin’

    You betcha she would
    that is if only she could
    govern very good

    Alas, Alaska
    she couldn’t finish the job
    let’s reward her now

    I’m sure she’ll improve…
    on the job training program
    for the snow-billy chick.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  30. See how effortlessly crissyhooten lies?

    JD (3dc31c)

  31. Uhmm, so she quit, right? That is why she is a quitter.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  32. Where did I lie, you effortless hack?

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  33. Whatever you do, don’t quote Chrissy; I don’t wanna know what he said. 😉

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  34. You were lying once you typed http://www.patterico.com and started commenting. It is what you do.

    JD (3dc31c)

  35. So basically you are full of crap, good to know.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  36. Sah Sah rah rah rah
    grizzly ma ma ma
    pan pan der la la
    she says it’s common sense

    she wants the glory
    and she wants your money
    she panders hard to your every stance
    she’s busy making like she’s presidential
    come 2012 she wants a second chance

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  37. No, basically, that is not at all the case. Maybe lie was not the right word. Bad faithed mendoucheous disingenuous twatwafflery would be more accurate. I cannot stand Palin or Kyle Busch, and you would not be worthy of cleaning up their toenail clippings.

    JD (3dc31c)

  38. I guess Palin can’t stand the heat in the kitchen. Why do you assume it would be better as President? Look at the non-stop burner they have going on Obama, 24/7. Palin would freak out under that kind of pressure and scrutiny. Her head would explode.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  39. You didn’t lie, You just used the wrong word, “lie” when referring to me. Give me a break, JD.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  40. Do you support the Ground Zero Mosque, crissyhooten?

    JD (3dc31c)

  41. Okay, I have it: Mr. Feet and Mr. Hooten….

    Two men enter…

    One man leaves…..

    Thunderdome!

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  42. I will never give you a break. You have earned the contempt that most folks have for you with your serial mendoucheity.

    JD (3dc31c)

  43. You see, my idea works best. It takes Mr. Feet’s mind off of Ms. Palin, and Mr. Hooten will be running too quickly away from a chainsaw to type much.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  44. And that name…Hooten…just never gets old, given the crazy stuff he posts. We should just call him “Reynolds Wrap” and be done with it.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  45. crissyhooten would be the coward, Eric.

    JD (3dc31c)

  46. Oh, I know that. What was the name of the guy in the original Mad Max who got his fingers lopped off by the boomerang?

    That’s who he is like.

    Of course, the boomerang would have DIEBOLD written on it.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  47. From that article to which I linked above:

    For years, Frank was a staunch supporter of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the giant government housing agencies that played such an enormous role in the financial meltdown that thrust the economy into the Great Recession. But in a recent CNBC interview, Frank told me that he was ready to say goodbye to Fannie and Freddie.

    “I hope by next year we’ll have abolished Fannie and Freddie,” he said. Remarkable. And he went on to say that “it was a great mistake to push lower-income people into housing they couldn’t afford and couldn’t really handle once they had it.” He then added, “I had been too sanguine about Fannie and Freddie.”

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  48. I think it would be a better PR decision to move the mosque a bit farther away, but ultimately it won’t matter, other than idiots writing hate messages on the building and such. The right-wing echo chamber is pumping this up as a straw man. It really is rather inconsequential in the long run. I find the link between the 2nd largest stockholder in newscorp, a Saudi prince, and the person associated with the mosque as rather interesting, though.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  49. This is not a right-wing issue, crissyhooten, and it is aggressively dishonest of you to try to frame it as such. 60+ percent of New Yorkers and 70+ percent of Americans disapprove.

    JD (3dc31c)

  50. It’s those Diebold mind control rays. Mr. Hooten had better wrap his head up tightly.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  51. Hey Eric, why don’t you go over to Brad Blog and see how the scientists were able to install pacman on a touchscreen voting device without breaking the “security seals” at all. Then come back and tell me how that doesn’t worry you. These are the same scientists that earlier implanted a worm that was able to flip results of an entire election. Not just on that machine, but the entire election without leaving a trace of evidence.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  52. public employee unions need outlawing on grounds of a fundamental conflict with the necessary interests of the people*

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  53. Have a good night, people. Except crissy.

    JD (3dc31c)

  54. JD, you have met Mr. Feet. Can you see him as The Humongous? Or is that just by comparison to his opponent in Thunderdome here?

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  55. happyfeet would tapdance on crissyhooten’s skull.

    JD (3dc31c)

  56. Scientists, Mr. Hooten. Top men, I’m sure.

    You are truly Nutty Deluxe. In fact, you remind me of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxB57TtX27I

    It’s funny to watch you claim that you are above it all when it is very easy for people to get you irritable by pointing out your nutzoid conspiracy theories.

    Because I go to BradBlog for those accurate scientific measurements.

    Sheesh.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  57. Oh, and I get a mind picture of Mr. Hooten.

    Look up “Percy Dovetonsils” on YouTube.

    All hail Ernie Kovacs.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  58. The right wing has been pumping this up for weeks now. Even here on this site (echoing other sites). It is a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  59. This is the point, Mr. Hooten, when Dmac asks if we can subscribe to your newsletter.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  60. Patterico? Did you get your instructions from the Right Wing Noise Machine? I think Mr. Hooten and Brad Friedman are onto you!

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  61. No, this is not a right-wing issue. Unless you think that 60+ percent of New Yorkers and 70+ percent of Americans are right wingers. Maybe if the freakin President hadn’t weighed in so clumsily …

    JD (3dc31c)

  62. More productive direction? No?

    How’s this: the Democrats are going to lose the House and probably the Senate – Will it matter?

    And if not, then what? Because if one party is the same as the other, then we are a one-party state. And then we’re fucked.

    Also, has anyone else seen “Archer” on FX?

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  63. Now, goodnight to the non-mendoucheous people.

    JD (3dc31c)

  64. chrissy thinks Obama’s in a “non stop burner”…what a joke he is…if the MSM did their job, Obama would be in Chicago organizing…and hoping for tax dollars….

    There is your lie, chrissy….

    reff (176333)

  65. RE: the whole HF v. Chris Hooten thing, that is.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  66. This is the crazyness that is up there, they used this slimeball to get Stevens despite his manifest
    untrustworthyness, and after they forced him out of office, and he perishes in a plane crash last week,look what they do: http//www.adn.com/2010/08/20/1418211/feds-wont-prosecute-allen-on-sex.html
    they went after Delay in the same way for six years, using a law that wasn’t in effect at the time he had allegedly committed said crimes, If theywant to get rid of you hard enough, they will make any garbage stick at some point, facts are
    no object

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  67. The right wing is pumping it up…70% of the nation’s citizens are “RIGHT WING”…

    Didn’t know that one….must be a new stat from BradBlog….

    reff (176333)

  68. Mr. Leviticus, here is your moment of Zen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQC3nkftrk

    Thunderdome!

    Scenery WILL be chewed!

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  69. Also, Sean Penn v. Wyclef Jean: IF you had to pick a side, which would it be?

    Personally, I think Sean Penn is a pretentious asshole. As though he gave two shits about Haiti before their was a high-profile disaster he could stick his stupid face in front of.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  70. Princeton computer science security experts. Yeah, they totally don’t know anything about computers. Princeton 2006 evoting hack This was four years ago and stupid people still don’t care enough about accurate elections to be worried about such an obvious and troubling fact. Now they have completely changed the entire software on the machine, not just modified the results. All without breaking any security seals.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  71. Eric Blair:

    I’ve seen Beyond Thunderdome, man. Road Warrior is better.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  72. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but…

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  73. The Australian one is better than the American dubbed one. (The first Mad Max)

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  74. So this is how I get comments, eh?

    OK, then.

    Patterico (19ad1e)

  75. I enjoyed Obama dishonestly demagoguing the Citizens United decision again during his radio message today while he dismantles disclosures required of unions who are so far outspending business on political ads by many multiples so far this year. As with the disclosing their real policies and the Fairness Doctrine, libs cannot afford anything close to a level playing field because nobody would vote for them. Obama lied to get elected and look at how unpopular the policies he really wanted to implement have turned out to be.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  76. Ot, Mad Max is still the best, because it shows how
    he would come to such a point in his life, but it certainly shows Gibson’s propensity for tortured
    and crazy characters back then, it’s like with Jan Michael Vincent, he really wasn’t acting on Airwolf, he was being himself

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  77. Oh, sure, Leviticus. But I don’t know if you mean the original version or not. I like the original version, but it isn’t very campy. I was going for campy for you know who.

    But this scene is actually pretty intense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x8RhadlpA

    I’m not sure Mel Gibson knew he was acting?

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  78. Chris Hooten – So they did not actually hack the machine during an election? It remains a fever dream of the morons on Brad Blog just like the other conspiracies Braddy flogs.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  79. Ian, you and I had the same idea!

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  80. Do you have any facts to support that assertion that unions are outspending corporations on political ads? There is no what that could possibly be true by the time the election rolls around. Corporations have a lot more money to spend.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  81. what=way

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  82. Oh, please. Did Mr. Hooten use the word “facts”? You would think that snakes and bugs would appear in his mouth for doing so.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  83. still waiting

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  84. “So this is how I get comments, eh?”

    – Patterico

    Well, don’t take my participation on this thread (vs. the others) as an explicit endorsement of Open Thread-style shootin’-the-bull type whatnot… I was just outta town for a while, then seeing off my buddies for the semester – a couple headed to Texas Tech, one to NMSU, and one to The Webb Institute (on Long Island, I think).

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  85. “Corporations have a lot more money to spend.”

    Chris Hooten – Corporations have to be accountable to their shareholders. Who do union bosses have to be accountable to, especially if they don’t disclose how the money is spent? Who are people like George Soros and Peter Lewis accountable to? You are a moron.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  86. chris hooten is so dirt
    y that his crabs have developed
    herpes and gonorrhea

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  87. but it certainly shows Gibson’s propensity for tortured
    and crazy characters back then

    -ian cormac

    He seems to have a problem with that now… Himself being the character, lol.

    Chris Hooten (8dd53d)

  88. really??

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  89. to #85. What the hell is that?

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  90. Daley, you know the technique: get others to present data, then disagree with it. Again, you do all the work. Seems to me that the least Mr. Hooten could do is go over to Sadly, No or someplace similar for a fair minded and nonpolitical link.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  91. John…how the heck would the basic leftist allow that???? Isn’t Fannie/Freddie the ultimate in “share the wealth” by forcing the government to pay for mortgages of those who can’t pay their own, and back the rest for those “poor” who can???

    He’s saying that in his home state….remember the quasi-RINO Scott Brown won there the same way….

    Comment by reff — 8/21/2010 @ 8:23 pm

    Sorry, I missed that comment due to all the static here. I won’t believe Frank meant what he said until he actually starts voting that way. So, I believe there is a different reason for Frank to sound more centrist. He’s sure of his liberal base; they’ll never vote him out. But he might not be sure enough of the moderate votes he needs to go along with his base, so he could be throwing that out there to hopefully get 20 percent or more of the moderate vote.

    Or he could be doing it to help out Democrats in other, up-for-grabs districts. “Hey, look, the Democrats see FM2 and government action as the problem and not the solution. Maybe we should give them another chance.”

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  92. For what it’s worth, I’ve seen American Political Science Association and Midwest Political Science Association articles that show that union spending and corporate spending are roughly equal – it’s just that corporations donate to both sides, and unions stick pretty much to the Dems. Not that I have links to the articles, sorry. Take it or leave it.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  93. It does seem to be a pattern, of course he’s acting, but with Mad Max, with Riggs in Lethal Weapon, who was humorous but obviously damaged,
    the lest said about his Hamlet the better, the father in Ransom, Benjamin Martin in the Patriot

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  94. Top 10 Heavy Hitters:
    AT&T Inc $45,299,254
    American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $42,765,761
    ActBlue $40,986,111
    National Assn of Realtors $36,745,023
    Goldman Sachs $32,565,702
    Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $32,287,595
    American Assn for Justice $32,246,629
    National Education Assn $30,605,430
    Laborers Union $29,614,800
    Teamsters Union $28,515,934

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.php

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  95. “...corporations donate to both sides,...”

    I have read those studies too, and makes many progressives very upset.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  96. …because it doesn’t fit the narrative…..

    It sure makes sense, though.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  97. John, you said it better than I could….thanks…

    reff (176333)

  98. Right? It makes me wonder why the unions haven’t done the same thing. I guess seniority provisions aren’t exactly designed to provide a fast track for the best and brightest… whatever.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  99. DaleyRocks, sorry didn’t see that question. They hacked the machine as if it was being used for an actual election. They obviously can’t legally hack a real election, but they can set one up exactly the same as a real one, and do the hack. It is more than troubling. If any part of the voting system is on a windows based computer (or frankly any OS, Windows is just worst), the entire results of an election can be changed without leaving any evidence (other than statistical anomalies which are difficult to cover up, and exit poll discrepancies. Unfortunately, they taint the actual exit poll data by injecting in actual results of the election, not releasing the raw exit poll data for some reason. This makes the exit polls more closely match the results than they otherwise would, masking most exit poll discrepancies, making them much less useful for flagging election manipulation.) These flaws are present in all touchscreen and optical scan machines, as well as the central tabulators that add up all of totals.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  100. That dude who started the “crash the tea party” idiocy is now a former middle school teacher.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/08/21/crash-the-tea-party-teacher-now-unemployed/

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  101. If you round all of those down, the labor unions have donated $161,000,000 and corporations $77,000,000. ActBlue is obviously not a Republican group, and we already know the affinity that the Dems have for Goldman Sachs money. Given that Democrats control both Houses and the presidency, I suspect a majority of AT&T money went to Dems. If we assume that the Realtors gave majority Republican, they are way behind in giving from just the big hitters, and have a huge difference to make up.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  102. Oven tempered, daley. For flexible strength.

    And for blocking out the transmissions of the Illuminati.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  103. I’m afraid election integrity hasn’t really been an issue for conservatives because they won twice with Bush, and who would question those results, right? You’d have to be craaaazzzzeeeeeee. Hopefully the attitude changes under Obama and people pay more attention to the facts and less to labeling people “conspiracy theorists” who have legitimate concerns.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  104. That’s not totally accurate: if you round all those Top Ten Heavy Hitters down, you get the numbers you have there. There are a whole hell of a lot of organizations that donate money to politicians in this country, and those donations, whatever their size, add up to very very significant sums. But they aren’t included in your calculations. It makes it look like a worse Dem-leaning discrepancy than it actually is, I think.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  105. Actually, you kind of address that in the last couple lines of your comment. My mistake.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  106. Given what we have learned from opensecrets, does Chris Hooten still stand by his unsubstantiated statement, or is his focus on conspiracy theories an attempt to distract from his grossly wrong statement. There has been a great example of this recently. Take a look at Target. They had the temerity to make a donation to a group, and have been vilified by the press for doing so, and activist shareholders are trying to cause problems for them. Remarkably, there is no similar reaction when a labor union heavily funds a Dem candidate. Why might that be?

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  107. “Not that I have links to the articles, sorry.”

    Leviticus – There was a piece up I read earlier today via memeorandum that listed the spending – on ads, not total contributions like the open secrets data. The article is not up anymore. Maybe Obama could present some stats if he is so worried about it. Obama’s weekly message referenced people getting calls or seeing ads by organizations with names that you could not tell who was sponsoring the thing. He did not give any examples. I know the Dems have been doing it heavily in the Minnesota Governor’s race, but I don’t recall seeing corporate election ads. Obama makes it sound like they are advertising for candidates, which they are prohibited from doing. He’s just dishonest about the whole decision.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  108. Are corporations (qua corporations) still restricted to issue advocacy (rather than candidate endorsements)? That sounds sound, but I can’t recall which ruling/regulation established it…

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  109. “They obviously can’t legally hack a real election”

    Chris – Thank you for the admission. It all remains wild a**ed conspiracy theory like most of what Braddy writes.

    The Dems thought Ohio was stolen in 2004 based on flawed exit polling. Relying on exit polling is stupid when you realize a lot of voters don’t want to talk to a bunch of pimple faced glassy eyed Obama freaks about the way they voted. It’s just common sense.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  110. And we shall see by November if that pattern holds up or not, with unions outspending corporations. We shall see. Point well taken on the current situation, though. Thank you for the facts. BTW I don’t remember this discussion being about WHO the political spending was FOR. It was about WHO is spending WHAT.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  111. ActBlue is a Dem outfit and the Association for Justice is the new name for Trial Lawyers Association.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  112. The WHO and the WHAT favor the Democrats, so the ranting from the Democrats really does not make any sense. I understand why the unions were given passes on most of the disclosure issues, but the overall level of speech from the Democrats in regards to this is a head scratcher, since they lead in almost every measurable metric.

    Daleyrocks correctly notes that the MN Governor’s race exemplifies how this plays out in practice, and how the media covers it.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  113. Those figures above are just for PACS, they don’t include 527s at all.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  114. Isn’t that really where all the corporate money is?

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  115. “I’m afraid election integrity hasn’t really been an issue for conservatives”

    Chris – Nail on the head boy wonder. Republicans have had no problems at all with ACORN’s fraudulent voter registration drives and have not tried to institute stronger voter identification laws across the country, which Democrats, who don’t give a crap about election integrity, fight tooth and nail.

    Want to revise and extend those remarks?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  116. 527s don’t have to disclose, either…

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  117. http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/

    How many other assumptions of yours are 180 degrees off?

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  118. “Isn’t that really where all the corporate money is?”

    Chris Hooten – No, Dems are worried that Citizens United opened the floodgates to direct corporate advertising.

    Have you seen it?

    The Minnesota governor campaign where Target spent money to support a candidate running against loony Mark Dayton who is promising to raise corporate taxes and all sorts of other anti-business measures is acting in its own self interest, just as AFSMCE is supporting big government.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  119. Enough with the ignorant statements about non-existant voter fraud with ACORN They closest you will find is VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD by employees which were turned in by ACORN themselves, as required by law. There is no voter fraud. There is no evidence of voter fraud. Are you really so dumb as to conflate the two things, voter fraud, and voter registration fraud? Election fraud is something altogether different. It involves manipulation of the results of an election. One person can change the entire results of an election. If you can’t see how that is a hell of a lot more troubling than “voter fraud,” then you aren’t being honest with yourself, especially since repeated investigations into systemic “voter fraud” have come up empty every time.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  120. Haikus rock – Hooten is always certain, but seldom right. Internet fact right there.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  121. In the 2004 election, 527 spending was overwhelmingly in favor of the Democrats, http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/17/politics/17donate.html Is there anything to suggest that the same has not continued?

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  122. “Enough with the ignorant statements about non-existant voter fraud with ACORN”

    Reread my words rant boy.

    Are you going to revise your dishonest statement about Republicans not being concerned about election integrity?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  123. Yes, actually, the Republicans were fighting the entire concept of the 527 in 2004, and didn’t start doing them until long after the democrats in 2004. However, with the Dems now in power, I would think the spending would be overwhelmingly in favor of the Dems.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  124. Hooten frothing at the keys. Time to hit the hay.

    Thanks, Haikus rock.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  125. Mr Rocks – It seems as though Mr Hooten did not wish to argue with what you did say, but with what he wished you said.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  126. You did read that article, right?

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  127. Chris Hooten: Try voter intimidation then – a couple of Black Panthers standing outside a polling place with a baton doesn’t look good for the Progressive movement’s progressive bona fides, does it? The point is, neither side comes away clean on this stuff.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  128. Leviticus – That must never be mentioned. That is a figment of Fox’s imagination, and a way to rally racist conservatives to a cause.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  129. Voter Registration Fraud does not equal voter fraud unless someone fraudulently votes using the fraudulent registration. There is no evidence this is occuring, at all. This makes the whole concept of ACORN having a few fraudulent voter registrations a moot point. It does not affect the results of the election at all.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  130. Chrissy has hissy

    Saturday night beat down is

    page view gold for Pat

    Specialist Haiku (fb8750)

  131. Those were some jack*sses outside the polling place, and shouldn’t have been doing that, but there were no complaints whatsoever that day. It is yet another non-story pumped up by Fox and the other right-wing friends, that turned out to be nothing. Ooh, but it looks scary… Someone should have removed them, obviously…

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  132. Is this, or is this not, the standard Democratic talking points for this issue? A few fraudulent voter registrations should not be a moot point, ever, if you claim to care about the integrity of the electoral process. Calling what ACORN did in the past a few fraudulent registrations is such a distortion of fact so as to make one question whether you were trying to be deceptive in your choice of words, or if you had simply accepted the storyline given you.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  133. Beat down, are you kidding me? It’s like everyone sat down all at once to have nappy time.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  134. There is no evidence this is occuring, at all.

    just out of morbid curiosity, what color is the sky when your Mom makes you go outside for awhile?

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  135. Leviticus – I am like Nostradamus

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  136. Oh, do you have some evidence? This should be good.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  137. chrissyhooten, if I”m not mistaken there has been at least ONE case of fradulent voting directly tied to an ACORN action which has been successfully prosecuted.

    That ONE, just ONE, makes voter fraud very real. When you add to it the possibility of illegal immigrants voting illegally, it won’t take much to turn an election…or, a census count….

    reff (176333)

  138. are you kidding me?

    no, you do a good j*b of that all by yourself….

    unless you don;t really believe all the crap you poast, of course. 😀

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  139. How many states did ACORN have problems with their voter registration drives? You would have been more accurate if you said a few states, as opposed to a few fraudulent registrations.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  140. Maywood CA would be a good place to start:

    total number of residents, total number known to be illegal immigrants, total number of votes cast in last few elections….

    go ahead Chrissy, run the numbers and show that illegals aren’t voting in the elections.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  141. There were significant problems in Ohio, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Seattle, and Nevada, and that list is far from comprehensive. There were even idictments brought in some of the cases.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003806904_webvotefraud26m.html

    http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB124182750646102435.html

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  142. mapping it all out for the challenged amongst us.

    ’cause i’m a giver. %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  143. heh: looks like Chrissy-poo decided it was “nappy time”….

    his ISP needs to put a nappy on his feed, to catch all the poo he poasts.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  144. Where is that ONE big gigantic case of voter fraud? Bwahahaha. That is so not something to be worried about when one person can make the election come out however they want, no matter how anyone voted, or whether they were supposed to vote or not, and without any evidence left behind. But I would like to see the proof of voter fraud involving ACORN. It has been PROVEN that one person can change the entire results of an election through election fraud. The vote-fraud person, if they exist, ADDED one single vote to the total… So why do you focus on the voter fraud which barely exists if at all, and has such little impact on elections, rather than election fraud which has been proven to be a possibility, and can completely make the act of voting a useless act?

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  145. lieberal logic, please ignore the crime we commit all the time, so we don’t get caught doing it.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  146. The absence of a conviction is your proof that it cannot exist? Given the cavalier manner in which you approach voter registration fraud, you might be able to see why your proclaimed concern about the integrity of elections seems to be, at best, feigned.

    Haikus rock (3dc31c)

  147. red, where is the conviction for voter fraud?

    Haiku, if it is so rampant, why have repeated investigations found no evidence? Do you remember what the US Attorney scandal was about? Republicans were pushing the attorneys to make charges of voter fraud right before an election. Some did, some didn’t, but they didn’t pan out. A bunch that refused because there was no evidence were fired.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  148. It is called a LIE. They have cultivated the lie of voter fraud for some time now. It certainly distracts from the real issue, are our votes being counted correctly?

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  149. You know, this is kind of funny. Mr. Hooten doesn’t believe in voter fraud:

    “…Haiku, if it is so rampant, why have repeated investigations found no evidence?..”

    But he does believe that Diebold is interfering with elections.

    You see, BradBlog has top men. They know things.

    Brain circuitry is a bit wet, or the aluminum foil hat is in the microwave again.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  150. chrissyhooten, you just don’t get it….it isn’t one BIG GIGANTIC CASE of voter fraud….it’s ONE CASE….just one case is all it takes….you scream about the possibility of voting machine fraud, yet we’ve never had a case….we’ve had many cases of voter fraud, and many more of manipulation of registration of voters, and you ignore that…..

    I focus on what actually happens….not what you dream about….

    reff (176333)

  151. Maywood and Bell are some cities with serous problems with their leaders. I don’t think it is clear what has happened yet. It may be a case of voter fraud, or something else…

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  152. If you still think hundreds of people fraudulently voting is more of a concern than one person changing everyone’s votes, there is no hope for you. IF YOU CAN’T TRUST THE RESULTS OF AN ELECTION DUE TO REAL SECURITY CONCERNS, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO VOTED, OR WHO THEY VOTED FOR. Even the supposed “fraudulent” votes will get changed.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  153. This guy went back and kept registering through ACORN. It wasn’t like the same person at ACORN kept registering the same guy over and over again. So the individual both fraudulently registered, and voted. It had nothing to do with ACORN. Sheesh. Nice try Also, I don’t see evidence of this massive voter fraud you are suggesting. OK, one case here, one case there, one case over there… I don’t see evidence of systemic and massive voter fraud. No, I am afraid that all the evidence points towards the much more sinister election fraud. I really don’t understand how you can just ignore the security issues present in current computerized voting systems. They have the potential to dismantle the very cornerstone of our democracy, subjugating the very vote itself, and making it a meaningless exercise in futility.
    But you worry about them Mexican’s voting instead. I’m sure that is a much more important and pertinent thing than your vote being useless.

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  154. Good effing night

    Chris Hooten (750a62)

  155. what a maroon….

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  156. Hey chrissy ASSHOLE….I never suggested MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD…I’ve said several times it’s aobut ONE TIME….YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE ONE TIME….you talk about “evidence pointing towards something that hasn’t happened yet….

    Yet, the easiest thing to fix is your problem….and the hardest to fix is mine….

    You just don’t get it…..you are a troll….

    reff (176333)

  157. Christie/Jindal in 2012!

    gahrie (ed7a50)

  158. Don’t tell that to HF. She’s too something or other for him. Not sure exactly what. Christian possibly.
    Comment by Gerald A — 8/21/2010 @ 8:12 pm

    — The proper phrasing is, “too Y chromosome challenged”.

    Icy Texan (c0568e)

  159. And it never gets old.
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/21/2010 @ 9:01 pm

    — Actually, your Palin-bashing routine got old quite awhile ago.

    Icy Texan (c0568e)

  160. 56. Oh, and I get a mind picture of Mr. Hooten.
    Look up “Percy Dovetonsils” on YouTube.
    All hail Ernie Kovacs.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 8/21/2010 @ 9:40 pm

    — More talent in one hair of his moustache than Hooten has in the entirety of his being during the entirity of his lifetime.

    Icy Texan (c0568e)

  161. Reading this whole comment thread Sunday a.m. after the fact…and I don’t think I’ve seen goalposts dance around like that in a long while.

    Voter registration fraud isn’t a problem if there’s never a vote (then why the hell are they doing it, pray tell?), then its only a few votes but it’s insignificant, then when shown it has happened he points to made up, alternate explanations… Anyway its just onesy twosy so why care…blah blah blah.

    Someone’s got his tenders in a wringer that ONE BAD MAN is gonna steal the world, but the (proven) slow erosion of legitimacy sullying anyone’s faith in the election process (and the value of their own vote, if they bother to make it) is of no concern…no need for more accurate rolls or voter ID or citizenship validation. Just worry about THE SCARY SHADOW IN THE CLOSET. (Insert obligatory “Boooosh Bad!” comment here.)

    Boggles the mind. Meanwhile the incompetence puppet show in plain sight continues.

    BTW, more on topic to the actual blog post, #1 and 2 agree. # 3… I think Kevin Stafford’s post 19 expressed my feelings pretty well. I agree with Beck sometimes too…but wouldn’t want to see him in office. Essentially anyone who seems to crave the spotlight, whether they express opinions I agree with or not, is acting out a personality trait I’d rather not see in an administrator. But unfortunately a popularity contest is what our politics have become.

    rtrski (6ae5bb)

  162. I’m sure she’ll improve…
    on the job training program
    for the snow-billy chick.

    Gee, Chrissy (do you get an Obama tingle up your leg, too?), talk about on-the-job training, just look at our Vacationer-in-Chief. He’s been on the job he actively sought out for a year and a half now and he still hasn’t figured out that campaignin’ is not executivin’. The difference (amongst many) is that Palin would improve with on-the-job training, while poor Obie needs affirmative-action and media cover to fail upwards.

    RickZ (7c3f16)

  163. I like how crissyhooten went ALL CAPS on your punk asses before passing out.

    JD (3dc31c)

  164. Chris Hooten:
    22. We were not attacked by mosques on nine eleven or the Muslums(sic), either, but by crazy people that hijacked some planes and a religion
    — Give you this much credit, “we were not attacked by mosques” is a classic piece of leftist misdirection. If the backers of the GZM would completely disavow the extremists, then . . . but they don’t. If you fall for the MoDo “this is the moderate Muslim we’ve been waiting for” crap, then more power to ya.
    31. Where did I lie, you effortless hack?
    On your back, saying, “Stick it to (or in) me, Mr. President!” “Where didn’t you lie?” would generate a shorter list. And not to answer for JD, but “if only she could govern very good” counts as a lie in my book.
    30. Uhmm, so she quit, right? That is why she is a quitter.
    — It’s moments like this that I treasure the most. The opportunity to bask in your awesomeness is just so . . . awesome!
    34. So basically you are full of crap, good to know.
    — Mirror, meet reflection.
    37. I guess Palin can’t stand the heat in the kitchen.
    — Nothing sexist about this ^^^ comment.
    Why do you assume it would be better as President? Look at the non-stop burner they have going on Obama, 24/7.
    — Here’s an assumption: As president, she will bow to no-one.
    Palin would freak out under that kind of pressure and scrutiny. Her head would explode.
    — Your little head is ready to explode just from thinking about it.

    Icy Texan (c0568e)

  165. It is not the Ground Zero Mosque, Icy Texan. How many times do I have to tell you that it is the 9/11 Debris and Body Parts not-Mosque but community cultural and outrage diaglogue starting building.

    JD (3dc31c)

  166. She has dealt with the major oil companies and negotiated contracts with several countries, she renegotiated her state’s tax structure, so they have little need for the stimulus gimmick, the
    time when Letterman was so drunk he couldn’t read the Daily News caption, or was otherwise occupied, ahem, she brought Exxon into the pipeline deal. Russians called her the Okhanitsa, the Huntress,
    because despite her cheerful exterior she’s a tough
    character. In many ways, she has been the driver
    behind the wider protest against the Mosque

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  167. I don’t know what the problem has been, but haven’t been able to get the site for several days. So, if anyone aimed thoughtfull commentary at me, I wasn’t dodging it.

    Russians called her the Okhanitsa, the Huntress, because despite her cheerful exterior she’s a tough
    character.

    Comment by ian cormac — 8/22/2010

    That’s interesting. Do you have any idea what they call Obama?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  168. Hooten’s utter incompetence matches his dishonesty.

    The Democrats through the Civil Rights commission made a big deal of voter intimidation in 2000 that never actually happened. But Hooten ridicules voter intimidation that actually did occur but that a Democrat administration abandoned the prosecution of.

    As for mosques not attacking us … the Germans closed down the Hamburg mosque that was the center of the 9/11 plot.

    Such incompetence, Hooten, is not the only reason you are held in contempt here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  169. Picking up on JD’s admiration for Kyle Busch…
    Kyle’s nickname among his “legion of fans” is “Shrub”…
    Chrissy’s should be “Crabgrass”!

    BTW, who was it here who said repeatedly around 21-months ago that “Obama…is a good man“?

    Leviticus @ 10:33pm…
    Citizens United freed corporations to participate without limits in issue advocacy/independent expenditures.
    However, they are still restricted from direct contributions to candidates.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  170. “Voter Registration Fraud does not equal voter fraud unless someone fraudulently votes using the fraudulent registration. There is no evidence this is occuring, at all.”

    Chrissy – Actually I think the best you can say is that there is no evidence that this is not occurring because Democrats have resisted implementing methods to detect such fraud, but that’s just me. PROVE ME WRONG.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  171. Pretty typical of a Democrat troll shill to have over 20% of the comments on a thread. Who pays these assholes?

    kansas (127f2b)

  172. __________________________________________

    Maywood and Bell are some cities with serous problems with their leaders. I don’t think it is clear what has happened yet. — Comment by Chris Hooten

    What’s clear is that such communities are dominated by the type of voter who thinks: “Liberals/Democrats are so nice. They’re so generous, so fair, so just! A liberal can do no wrong! People of the left will always look out for me. They’ll always protect me!! Conservatives/Republicans, by contrast, are mean, greedy, bigoted and into screwing the little guy!”

    Voters like that are merely a variation of the type of person who keeps politicians similar to Maxine Waters, Barney Frank or the hacks of Chicago, etc, in office, decade after decade.

    IOW, such voters have about as much common sense as, uh, you.

    Mark (411533)

  173. I was just waiting to hear Chrissy’s Hooters go on an extended rant about how fire doesn’t melt steel, speaking twoof to plower, and how Code Pink are the real geniuses behind the Rovian mind – control apparatus that was set up during the Booshitler regime. There are all kinds of crazy on this planet, and Hooters seems to embody all of them.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  174. Sun rise beautiful
    Colonel shoot mockingbird dead
    no hooten so far

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  175. I read this, this morning:

    https://patterico.com/2010/08/21/open-thread-15/#comment-690071

    And I think:

    1. that ranks right up there with “I work here is done” in the Troll Hit Parade.

    2. if only it were true.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  176. What is the Russian word for Clown?

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  177. Here’s a story about an illegal alien voting in 2004 who is now trying to become a citizen. According to Chrissy, this kind of stuff does not happen. I say BS. I want Chrissy to explain why Democrats are not interested in preserving the integrity of the election process by making sure that only eligible registered voters vote.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  178. “Citizens United freed corporations to participate without limits in issue advocacy/independent expenditures.
    However, they are still restricted from direct contributions to candidates.”

    – AD – RtR/OS!

    Thank you, sir.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  179. I guess Mr. Hooten has never Goolged “LBJ voter fraud”… He was not called Landslide Lyndon for no reason.

    BfC (5209ec)

  180. “Thank you, sir.”

    Leviticus – I’m disappointed you doubted me.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  181. William Buckley was wont to quip his grandfather was such a good Democrat, even though he died around ’04, he was till around to cast a ballot in ’48 for Lyndon

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  182. Honest scepticism can be the mark of a maturing mind.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  183. ian, word you searching for is “клоун”

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  184. For the benefit of “Crabgrass”….
    On 3/23/94, Mexican Presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio was assassinated in Tijuana by Mario Aburto, a Mexican national.
    Aburto, who had lived illegally in the United States for some time, was registered to vote (as a Democrat – surprise, surprise) in San Pedro CA, and had voted in several elections.

    You can look it up!

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  185. #166 MD in Philly:

    That’s interesting. Do you have any idea what they call Obama?

    I’m gonna guess it’s the cultural equivalent of “dumbsh*t,” mostly.

    #163 Icy Texan:

    Palin would freak out under that kind of pressure and scrutiny. Her head would explode.
    – Your little head is ready to explode just from thinking about it.

    ian beat me to the punch, but this is a woman that guts her prey. Quite literally.

    I doubt she even notices the “pressure” or “scrutiny.” But I’ll bet that she could make Obama piss his pants in less than 5 minutes alone with him.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  186. Where does this idea come from that Barcky has had elevated pressure or scrutiny?

    MoDo called him The One in her column today. I sh@t you not.

    JD (3dc31c)

  187. MoDo lives in a time-warp, in a Galaxy far, far away.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  188. Everyone

    If Perry and Palin were the only two running in the republican primary – who would you vote for and why

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  189. клоун is pronounced “klóun”

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  190. I think ian was thinking “clown”.

    Serious question- who do you think Putin would rather step all over negotiate with, Obama or “the Huntress”*?

    *I think the Russian word for “huntress” is similar to the Ukrainian word for “Sarahcuda”, but don’t tell the Wilson sisters.

    First, the funny, “The argument that systemic fraudulant voter registration has nothing to do with voter fraud is like a little boy telling his mommy that sticking his hand in the cookie jar has nothing to do with eating cookies before dinner.”

    Now, it is entirely possible, that people who are being paid according to how many new voters they can get registered may be falsifying records just for the sake of padding their paycheck, and fraudulant votes really don’t happen “much”. But if that is the case, why do the Dems like to pay extra money to dishonest workers??

    And if there is no voter fraud, why did the Dems make it a priority to win Sec. of State offices in the states so they could have direct control of election mechanics?

    And why do more dead Dems vote than dead Republicans?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  191. 164. It is not the Ground Zero Mosque, Icy Texan. How many times do I have to tell you that it is the 9/11 Debris and Body Parts not-Mosque but community cultural and outrage diaglogue starting building.
    Comment by JD — 8/22/2010 @ 5:27 am

    — I stand corrected, sir. It was my racist tendencies that led me to label it otherwise. Me feel shame.

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  192. ian, your link at 184 also points out Palin’s superiority when the teleprompter goes out.

    I’d like to see a picture of her leaning out of a helicopter with a rifle with a scope shooting wolves. She can shoot hoops with Obama, but he can’t shoot big game with her.

    Of course, simply being better than Obama is not high praise as a presidential nominee. Nearly all Patterico readers over 35 fit that bill. (Nearly all because there are a few that would continue his policies.)

    Later.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  193. Here’s a hint, Obama made a joke to Putin, about what a great deal we had gotten with Alaska, someone
    who had lived in a state, with nearly two hundred
    years experience as a colony, Wassila is from Vassily which is “Russian for William” would never be that assinine

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  194. That’s interesting. Do you have any idea what they call Obama?
    Comment by MD in Philly — 8/22/2010 @ 7:32 am

    — облегченно
    — африканские рожденные
    — следующий мусульманства
    — кретин бака куря
    — без вещества
    — социалистическая часть гречихи

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  195. Mongo impressed.

    mongo (4e4a98)

  196. More from the “Hootie Blows Fish” boxed set:
    38. You didn’t lie, You just used the wrong word, “lie” when referring to me.
    — Let’s fix that right now: Lies constantly, consistently, and predictably.
    There!
    47. I think it would be a better PR decision to move the mosque a bit farther away, but ultimately it won’t matter, other than idiots writing hate messages on the building and such.
    — Making better decisions doesn’t really matter to liberals, does it? And don’t worry; all of the hate messages will be written inside the building, for distribution at a later date.
    The right-wing echo chamber is pumping this up as a straw man.
    — Because these are the-moderate-Muslims-we’ve-been-waiting-for?
    It really is rather inconsequential in the long run.
    — So are you; and yet, look at how popular you are!
    I find the link between the 2nd largest stockholder in newscorp, a Saudi prince, and the person associated with the mosque as rather interesting, though.
    — Which means what?
    why don’t you go over to Brad Blog and see how the scientists were able to install pacman on a touchscreen voting device without breaking the “security seals” at all.
    — Now these “scientists”; were they wearing name tags that read “Best Buy Geek Squad”?
    Then come back and tell me how that doesn’t worry you.
    — Of course it’s worrying. What about Ms. PacMan? Sexists!
    These are the same scientists that earlier implanted a worm that was able to flip results of an entire election. Not just on that machine, but the entire election without leaving a trace of evidence.
    — 2008 has been explained at last! Thank you.
    57. The right wing has been pumping this up for weeks now. Even here on this site (echoing other sites). It is a mountain out of a mole hill(sic).
    — Rallying around an issue? Not giving in and saying “whatever”? Must be due to the memory of a mountain of molten metal [And yes, that’s a take on “mountain out of a molehill” (one word, dummy!)]
    This was four years ago and stupid people still don’t care enough about accurate elections to be worried about such an obvious and troubling fact.
    — Not only that, but they were also willing to tell O’Keefe how to run a child prostitution ring. Egad!
    69. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but…
    — but you can NEVER fool The Hooten, because he’s already done that for himself.
    70. The Australian one is better than the American dubbed one.
    — The Australian version of YOU is probably better, too. “G’day mate. Krikey! Have ya seen what that abso-bloody-lutely fair Sheila, Sarah Palin, has been up to lately? It’s dead cert that she’s gonna have a go at the White House, I kid you not. She’ll have to do something about those ratbag rellies of hers, though. Krikey!”
    77. Do you have any facts to support that assertion that unions are outspending corporations on political ads?
    — Like a lack of facts has EVER stopped you, before.
    There is no [way] that could possibly be true by the time the election rolls around. Corporations have a lot more money to spend.
    — Which proves that they actually choose to spend more? Gee, maybe they have to use a big chunk of that money to pay the wages & benefits of pampered unionized workers!
    80. still waiting
    — Adjust the aerial a bit. You’ll pick up their signals any minute. Maybe those “scientists” can help you; one of them must be an expert on tinfoil antennas.

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  197. Hi Icy:

    These are the same scientists that earlier implanted a worm that was able to flip results of an entire election. Not just on that machine, but the entire election without leaving a trace of evidence.

    I think that someone indeed might have worms. Brain worms. But there is no lack of evidence.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  198. I find it hilarious how he keeps calling those people “scientists” …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  199. Disc the second:
    Unfortunately, they taint the actual exit poll data by injecting in actual results of the election, not releasing the raw exit poll data for some reason. This makes the exit polls more closely match the results than they otherwise would, masking most exit poll discrepancies, making them much less useful for flagging election manipulation.
    — I will give a crisp shiny new dollar to whomever can adequately explain what this means. Who are the “they” that do this, Chrissy? Are you asserting that exit poll data is tabulated on the same machines as the actual election results?
    103. I’m afraid election integrity hasn’t really been an issue for conservatives because they won twice with Bush, and who would question those results, right?
    — What are you worried about, then? By your logic we failed last time.
    You’d have to be craaaazzzzeeeeeee.
    — That’s why they make you wear that jacket that ties in the back, so that you don’t hang yourself by the chads.
    Hopefully the attitude changes under Obama and people pay more attention to the facts and less to labeling people “conspiracy theorists” who have legitimate concerns.
    — Yeah, he’s all over the ACORN recruiting, dead Dems voting, Black Panthers intimidating thing. Being handled, don’t worry about it.
    I don’t remember this discussion being about WHO the political spending was FOR. It was about WHO is spending WHAT.
    — I don’t remember you having any say whatsoever in what the discussion is about, but of course that never stopped you before from trying to control teh narrative.
    119. Enough with the ignorant statements about non-existant voter fraud with ACORN They closest you will find is VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD by employees which were turned in by ACORN themselves, as required by law.
    — That’s right; nobody caught them, they turned themselves in.
    There is no voter fraud. There is no evidence of voter fraud.
    — Everytime you jump on this no-evidence-of-fraud soapbox, you just look sillier and sillier.
    Are you really so dumb as to conflate the two things, voter fraud, and voter registration fraud? Election fraud is something altogether different.
    — Oh, but the WORST is election-registration-voter fraud! Or is it voter-election-registration fraud that’s the worst? Well, they’re both bad anyway.
    It involves manipulation of the results of an election. One person can change the entire results of an election.
    — And a bunch of false “voters” can’t?
    If you can’t see how that is a hell of a lot more troubling than “voter fraud,” then you aren’t being honest with yourself, especially since repeated investigations into systemic “voter fraud” have come up empty every time.
    — Not true, as others have pointed out, but you keep right on dancing that jig.
    129. Voter Registration Fraud does not equal voter fraud unless someone fraudulently votes using the fraudulent registration. There is no evidence this is occuring, at all. This makes the whole concept of ACORN having a few fraudulent voter registrations a moot point. It does not affect the results of the election at all.
    — Riiiiiggghhhtttt. They fraudulently register, but then do not vote. They’re probably dismayed about having their fraudulent vote changed by the rigged machine.
    131. Those were some jack*sses outside the polling place, and shouldn’t have been doing that, but there were no complaints whatsoever that day. It is yet another non-story pumped up by Fox and the other right-wing friends, that turned out to be nothing.
    — It was wrong, but that’s okay. Intimidation took place, but since intimidation is invisible there’s no residue. You cannot prove that it affected the vote because no one that was intimidated admitted to such. It happened, but because you can’t prove that there was any effect on the vote it doesn’t qualify as a story.
    IF YOU CAN’T TRUST THE RESULTS OF AN ELECTION DUE TO REAL SECURITY CONCERNS, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO VOTED, OR WHO THEY VOTED FOR. Even the supposed “fraudulent” votes will get changed.
    — This is true. Now, do you have ANY evidence that this HAS happened? or does all of your evidence amount to “it COULD happen”?
    155. This guy went back and kept registering through ACORN. It wasn’t like the same person at ACORN kept registering the same guy over and over again. So the individual both fraudulently registered, and voted. It had nothing to do with ACORN.
    — Yeah! They were just the innocent bystanders, yo!
    But you worry about them Mexican’s voting instead. I’m sure that is a much more important and pertinent thing than your vote being useless.
    — Yeah! Having your vote diluted by the votes of thousands of illegals ain’t nuthin’, yo!

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  200. Colonel not complain
    but no Hooten, JEA?
    counting my blessings

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  201. Obama bad.

    Ground Zero mosque bad.

    Sarah Palin good.

    Two out of three ain’t bad. I don’t think much of Palin.

    Subotai (6d4977)

  202. Devo say “That’s Good!”
    subotai economy
    joblessness, spudboy

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  203. Obama made a joke to Putin, about what a great deal we had gotten with Alaska

    Painted Jaguar shakes head, says, “No”, and closes eyes.

    Has he thought about giving Louisiana back to the French? He has his BP money, and then Jindahl would be a French politician and out of the picture as a Republican challenger.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  204. I don’t think much of Palin either, but just the fact that she drives so many lefty “elites” batsh-t crazy every time her name is mentioned still amuses me. Best dog whistle for the shrieking Dem partisans in the MSM, evah.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  205. Forgot to add: Icy FTW!

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  206. Thanks, Dmac. Carpal tunnel never felt so good!

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  207. “…Two out of three ain’t bad. I don’t think much of Palin.” Comment by Subota

    I tend to agree but on the other hand, I would take Palin over any Democrat.

    Arizona Bob (e8af2b)

  208. I thought Obama was good?

    HeavenSent (e230a5)

  209. I don’t see evidence of systemic and massive voter fraud.

    Voter fraud does not need to be “systemic and massive” to be effective. Frequently, a fairly small number of “votes” can change the outcome of an election. A surprisingly large number of races have been decided by a few thousand votes or less over just the last decade, the Franken/Coleman race being just the latest instance.

    We lack any means to see if voter fraud is going on. One big red flag is when more ballots are cast in a district than there are registered voters. This happens remarkably often, but even then there is not any “smoking gun” which can prove vote fraud. That is, we cannot look at any individual ballot and say “this one was fraudulent”.

    Masses of circumstantial evidence exists to indicate that vote fraud is going on, but the voting system is not set up with an eye to preventing it, or to detecting it after the fact.

    So this constant claim from the left that “You can’t PROVE that vote fraud is going on” is disingenuous. Yeah, we can’t prove it, because you resist all efforts to construct a system which would allow us to even detect it.

    Subotai (6d4977)

  210. Palin would be great for the American people. If she were voted in as Vice President she would have already done a good job and quit to make money off of the American people by now.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  211. Wow, that was some scintillating insight, Slurpee.

    JD (3dc31c)

  212. The best part about the American right is that they don’t value intelligence. Obama didn’t have to hop around to six different degree-granting institutions before he found one that would allow him to graduate. That type of elitism shuts many of you out of any sort of position of power… so Palin is sort of your anti-intellectual Johnny Appleseed.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  213. Nationwide, only 63% of those eligible and registered to vote actually voted in the 2008 elections.

    It seems … remarkable .. that in certain precincts the percentage of those eligible and registered to vote who actually voted exceeded 100%.

    This is not evidence of “systemic and massive voter fraud”, but it is strong evidence of fraud in certain precincts.

    By a curious coincidence, the precincts in question are always ones which vote for the Democratic Party.

    Subotai (6d4977)

  214. His insight lasts as long as shaved ice on an August day.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  215. You assume I’m a man, AD. Your sexism lasted as long as Dubya’s actual combat missions during Vietnam.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  216. What does that mean? I don’t know. It is a mystery. Just as mysterious as someone claiming Palin is a qualified candidate and trickle down economics both works and is fair.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  217. This is one deranged barking moonbat, coming by to argue with the voices in its head.

    JD (3dc31c)

  218. Slerpee is anti-honesty.

    JD (3dc31c)

  219. You’re a racist JD. You pretend you’re not by saying things that are racist then calling yourself out on it. You should stop that. God has a special place for racists that rhymes with bell.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  220. No one ever claimed that W flew in Vietnam.
    Your credibility takes another mortal hit.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  221. Hmmm, Slerpee most be one of the few people in the world who has seen Pres. Obama’s transcripts to know that what his courses+grades were and that he has graduated… Can Slerpee tell us what happened to Obama’s law license?

    Regarding Palin vs Obama–One tries to sell me a book to fund a lifestyle… Another uses the IRS at the point of gun to finance family vacations around the world. Wonder which method I prefer.

    Regarding why Democratics want to take over the various election offices… It’s not like they would file false documents to run candidates for political office under the “Tea Party” name–that would be stupid… Oh–yea.

    Fraudulent Election Filings for “Tea Party” candidates

    Tyler, she said, contacted her office after receiving notifications for late filing fees and indicated he had no intention of running for office and had not filed paperwork to do so.

    Johnson said the signatures on Tyler’s voter registration and on the letter he sent to her appear to be different than the signature on his candidate affidavit.

    The forms, she said, were notarized by Jason Bauer, who works for the Oakland County Democratic Party. A call to Bauer at the county Democratic Party’s office seeking comment was not returned by 5:45 p.m. Friday.

    Johnson said fraudulent signatures are a misdemeanor for the notary and a felony for people who falsely sign documents.

    BfC (5209ec)

  222. Slerpee, you have no basis for ridiculing Palin’s intelligence or fitness for Vice President given that Democrats gave us “Slow Joe” Biden.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  223. BfC, interesting find. A traceable forgery.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  224. What are you basing this charge of racism on, Slurpee?

    JD (3dc31c)

  225. Bfc. What a jetsetter you are. Are you claiming that Obama frauded us into thinking that he graduated from college even though he didn’t?
    Are you also a birther?

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  226. Slerpee,

    You claim that Obama graduated college without any proof… What are you, clairvoyant?

    Just want to see the records. He seems to have attended three colleges–should be lots in his records.

    BfC (5209ec)

  227. I have not seen any Obama college transcripts and have no proof he graduated.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  228. Seems to have? Are you clairvoyant? My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates. I’m trying to cure it by reading young Earth novels…. but it is tough.

    Slerpee (62cc62)

  229. “My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates.”

    Slerpee – When you find an intelligent leftist, give us a heads up mkay. I thought it was an oxymoron.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  230. Is there an invisible flashing light on this blog that says “trolls welcome”?

    I hate to say it but the attraction of these idiots never seemed to wax, let alone wane.

    Fortunately, football season is coming.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  231. “You assume I’m a man, AD.”

    Slerpee – You don’t know your own gender? Questioning? There is help available for that you know.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  232. My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates.
    –Slerpee

    Either you did not vote for Obama, or you did because you think he is intelligent.

    What objective data did you use to come to that conclusion?

    School Records–Nada. Private Sector Job History–Nada. State Senate Records–Nada. Long career in the US Senate–Nada.

    Can read a teleprompter–Barely.

    BfC (5209ec)

  233. C’mon folks. This is one of our OldTroll friends, using a new nickname. Tiresome trolling.

    Eric Blair (28f3dc)

  234. I don’t know.

    A scintillating insight that you need not have burdened the rest of us with.

    We all would have eventually figured out that you are an idiot without you admitting it up front.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  235. My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates.

    You mean that same “intelligent presidential candidate” who said the following:

    – my solution to high gas prices is to have all Americans keep their tires properly inflated;

    – my healthcare bill is going to save this country billions of dollars per annum, and never mind the CBO scoring;

    – Iran is “just a tiny country.”

    – I never heard Rev. Wright say “god damn America” and how the Jooos are resonsible for much of the evil in the world, despite attending his church every week for the last 15 years

    – my response to high food prices is asking Iowa farmers if they’ve noticed the price of Arugula lately.

    Yep, you sure knows a smart person when you sees one, slurpee!

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  236. Sarah Palin is pretty far from stupid… she is way smarter than Nancy Pelosi, but Palin speaks in some weird Alaska dialect with made up words.
    I don’t mind the made up words, because I don’t need a translator, I get it. Sure some english teacher is rolling over in her grave, but when Obama tries to go street and uses someone elses made up words… he’s cool and authentic.. and Palin is the idiot…

    I’d bet Palin can run our country better than Obama is

    SteveG (5641e3)

  237. Certainly, one sign of idiocy is reopening the issue of George W. Bush’s service record – a smear abandoned by all but Dan Rather and Mapes.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  238. #240 SPQR:

    Certainly, one sign of idiocy is reopening the issue of George W. Bush’s service record –

    And not just any regular kind of idiocy either, but really, really blithering.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  239. More Dem voter fraud….

    http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/2010/08/michigan-democrats-embarrassed-by-fake.html
    H/T – Instapundit

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  240. Can’t forget ‘the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor,(isn’t he from around those parts) the trip to Sunshine. Florida, one of those 57 states, Hirohito
    was on the Missouri, that’s why doesn’t believe in history

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  241. Who said this?

    “Listen, he’s a nice person, but he couldn’t sell watermelons if you gave him the state troopers to flag down traffic.”

    a) Rush Limbaugh about Brack Obama

    b) Dan Rather about Barack Obama.

    c) David Duke about Barack Obama.

    And the answer is …

    (b) Dan Rather! Let’s hear it for the liberals!

    Subotai (6d4977)

  242. @reff — NASCAR is not a sport?!

    WTF!

    I’ll tell you what. Let’s put together about a thousand dollars, go out to California Super Speedway, take one of the Stock Driving “classes.” Then we’ll see how many G’s your body can handle and still have the strength to steer the car properly.

    You need endurance, strength, and agility to drive a NASCAR vehicle effectively.

    I already know that I lack any of these in sufficient qualities to be a NASCAR driver. You, on the other hand, appear to need a lesson.

    Driving is certainly a sport. There are reasons that Formula 1 drivers, my racing sport of choice, are as physically fit as they are.

    Christian (f10530)

  243. “…There are reasons that Formula 1 drivers, my racing sport of choice, are as physically fit as they are.”

    “There are only three sports: race-car driving, bull-fighting, and big-game hunting.
    All the rest are just games!”
    Hemingway

    Plus, the stars of F-1 are usually found in the top-five lists of best compensated sports stars, and it’s not for the size of the purse.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  244. Howard Dean’s recent statements have convinced me that there are powerful Democrats who do not want Obama to run for a second term.

    Amphipolis (e01538)

  245. Quote:

    I guess Palin can’t stand the heat in the kitchen. Why do you assume it would be better as President? Look at the non-stop burner they have going on Obama, 24/7. Palin would freak out under that kind of pressure and scrutiny. Her head would explode.

    Comment by Chris Hooten — 8/21/2010 @ 9:23 pm

    **********************************

    Uh …stupid, Palin is THE ONE who is putting all the pressure on Obama. She’s the one that put his nuts in a vice, and continues to squeeze.

    There’s no one else in this nation that is ready to lead BUT Palin.

    Gary (70b5d7)

  246. Gary – If that is true, we are well and truly f&cked. And it is demonstrably not true, since there are people like Gov Daniels and Rep Ryan out there.

    JD (3dc31c)

  247. #249 JD:

    And it is demonstrably not true,

    What was that Buckley used to say about the Boston phonebook?

    Sad thing is, we’ve got dogcatchers better prepared to lead than the O!ne, who probably wouldn’t make any better a dogcatcher than he does President.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  248. I wonder if we’re going to get another Chrissy Hissy tonight. Watching him build up to it last night was hilarious. Every talking point smashed.BOOM, DOWN DOES HOOTEN!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  249. daleyrocks – even his underlying assumptions were shown to be wrong, not just his silly asspulls.

    JD (3dc31c)

  250. maybe Sarah Palin herself will show up in the comments and say @patterico peeps thank u 4 believing u r true fans America needs ur help with the complex issues! #buymybook

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  251. _________________________________________

    My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates.

    Leftist sentiments run rampant in the country of the city described below.

    Think of Mexico like a bigger version of blue-state or urban/inner-city America. IOW, a place where a plurality of voters believe that liberalism somehow nurtures a compassionate, wonderful and sophisticated society. [Insert loud laugh and snicker here]

    Time.com, 8-21-10:

    The murder scarred a part of Mexico that was supposed to be reasonably safe from violence and crime. Santiago is a picturesque town of waterfalls, colonial churches and holiday homes for the rich. Its mayor Edelmiro Cavazos was a blue-eyed 38-year old, educated in the United States. But it seems that no corner of the country is shielded from the relentless rain of drug-related bloodshed.

    The killers came for Mayor Cavazos in the early hours of Aug. 16 when seven SUV’s rolled up and men in police uniforms descended on his palatial home. Servants stood back terrified, as their boss was forced away at gunpoint. On Aug. 18, his corpse was dumped on a nearby road.

    …on Aug. 20, more disturbing news broke. State agents arrested six of the mayor’s own police officers and said they confessed to involvement in the murder.

    ^ Although the mayor was from Mexico’s version of the Republican Party, he’s in a society where any sign of political conservatism is token at best—eg, the nation’s president isn’t an avowed leftist/Socialist — although he’s plenty squishy — and won (and barely, at that) only because 2 liberals running against him split the vote in a 3-way election.

    Mark (411533)

  252. Slurpee. I’ll never buy one of them again.

    either orr (58d2a4)

  253. Patterico could start a category in the sidebar for Chrissy and his cronies at Brad Barf – Everything You Know Is Wrong.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  254. Christian….get into the rear seat of an FA-18D Hornet and try not throwoing up….

    Having had that privilage, several times, I’ll take your “car” and raise you a marathon…26 miles, 385 yards of pure hell….

    Come back when you’ve been there…..

    Semper Fi….

    P.S….I really enjoy NASCAR…but, it ain’t a fucking sport….

    reff (176333)

  255. “Driving is certainly a sport.”

    – Christian

    Which is why Tony Stewart looks like an athlete, right? Quick: who’s more of an athlete, Tony Stewart or [Insert name of any football, basketball, soccer, hockey, or tennis player here].

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  256. Give me Usain Bolt over Tony Stewart….

    Although I’ll take Ashley Judd (Mrs. Dario Franchetti) over Usain Bolt….

    reff (176333)

  257. Obama is not only bad; he is also evil.

    Ground Zero mosque is not bad but a sacrilege.

    Sarah Palin is not only good but worthy.

    bob (2074b2)

  258. Think the Saints can repeat, reff?

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  259. I was shocked to remember that the Bengals had drafted Jordan Shipley; setting aside egomaniacal breakdowns, that is going to be a nasty receiving lineup.

    And the Jets got Kyle Wilson out of Boise State. If they get Revis, that is going to be a nasty secondary.

    You’ll have to tell me LSU’s prospects for the season, at some point.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  260. Here were the figures I recalled seeing yesterday, but on a different blog site:

    “The findings are an indication that corporate money is not flooding into campaigns as many predicted would happen after the landmark decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

    So far this year, $24.7 million in independent spending has been reported to the Federal Election Commission, campaign filings show. Unions have spent $9.7 million (or 39 percent of the total), compared with $6.4 million (26 percent) spent by individuals and $3.4 million spent by corporations.

    Not all spending on political ads is included in the totals. Issue ads, which mention candidates and their positions but offer no candidate endorsement, do not have to be reported to the government unless they run directly before an election.”

    http://governmentrico.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/unions-outspend-corporations-on-political-campaigns-no-wonder-union-benefits-pensions-are-so-high/

    daleyrocks (940075)

  261. Kyle Wilson was much less of an addition than the other CB, Cromartie, the freak. They will be nasty without Revis, but even moreso with him. Saints will not repeat.

    JD (3dc31c)

  262. I’m sick and tired of all these people complaining about our President, yes, even your President, Republicans, on the cusp of an unprecedented achievement in reducing his golf handicap a full 15 strokes in a mere year and a half.

    son, i am disappoint

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  263. Yikes, I forgot about Cromartie. Geez… if LaDainian Tomlinson gets a second wind – out of indignation or anything else – the Jets are going to be badass. I hope they do well – Rex Ryan’s got moxie.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  264. Comment by Leviticus — 8/22/2010 @ 8:28 pm

    Just to give you a point of reference, some time back (I think it was when you were in Elementary School, or earlier), a team of physicians conducted an experiment at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway during the 500. They wired-up a bunch of drivers and measured their heartbeat, blood-pressure, and respiration for the duration of the race.
    What they found is that no other occupation, except one, causes a sustained heart-rate and related factors as what they found with those drivers (you do realize that the race lasts approx three-hours?).
    That other occupation?
    Carrier landings by Naval Aviators!
    I’m sure with a little diligence, you can find that study on the ‘net.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  265. I’ll cling stubbornly to my delusions, thanks.

    It’s a question of degrees, to my mind. Athletes in some sports are more athletic than athletes in some other sports, I say.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  266. Shonn Greene should be their feature back this year, Leviticus. Moxie is a descriptor. I could come up with others.

    JD (3dc31c)

  267. Heh – could you now…

    You could kinda say he’s the Kyle Busch of NFL coaches, I suppose.

    Anyway, I’m sure Shonn Greene will be their go-to guy, but maybe Tomlinson can play Darren Sproles to Greene’s LaDainian Tomlinson (if you will). It seems like the teams with a multi-talented running unit seem to do well. Pierre Thomas/Reggie Bush, the Giants’ three headed dragon a few seasons back, etc.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  268. I find the questions posed about “is it a sport” or “are they athletes” patently silly. In all of the cases where it comes up, the people being discussed can do something so well and so far beyond the norm that it should make the question moot. Who cares if golfers or race car drivers (kyle busch sucks on donkey gonads) or table tennis players are athletes, or play a sport? The premiere players are still able to do something that the average person could never do.

    JD (3dc31c)

  269. Peyton Manning could not do what Jimmie Johnson does, or Nicky Hayden, or Will Power. None of them could ever do what Peyton does. Why not just appreciate the sheer brilliance of what they are able to do ?

    JD (3dc31c)

  270. “Who cares if golfers or race car drivers (kyle busch sucks on donkey gonads) or table tennis players are athletes, or play a sport? The premiere players are still able to do something that the average person could never do.”

    – JD

    That is of course true. But we all have our preferences when it comes to these things, and tend to denigrate those things for which we have less respect (see Busch, Kyle: Donkey Gonad Sucking, above).

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  271. Let’s not forget Dr. Valentino Rossi, either.

    AD - RtR/OS! (84b2f2)

  272. Okay. I’m off to bed. First day of class tomorrow.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  273. Tony Stewart is a cherry pick example. It’s a good one because I think he used to be very successful (maybe he still is… I find Nascar unwatchable lately). But I think most successful drivers are actually pretty fit. Just the strength needed to keep your head up at speed is probably quite a bit.

    I like motorsport because it ought to be a direct benefit to mankind, in developing more reliable and better machines. Doesn’t always work that way, but I’m excited if F1 comes to Texas. I bet every successful F1 driver is in better shape than 95% of the general population.

    JD’s right, though. If you can actually do what Tony Stewart can, be it eat 10 whoppers in 5 minutes or drive his car, then you can credibly ‘meh’ his achievements.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  274. Stress-related pressures are not a reflection or a measure of athletic ability. It can prevent your from doing athletic things, but, the two are not related when measuring athletic ability.

    The opposite is true; a person who can handle stress may not ever be able to do what a great athlete can do.

    Night carrier landings are the most stressful thing ever created by man.

    Go Saints, LSU, and Semper Fi….

    reff (176333)

  275. JD, you are probably wrong about the Peyton/Jimmie Johnson comparison. Peyton’s athletic abilities would probably allow him to “learn” what JJ does, but the reverse would not necessarily be true. Now, size would inhibit him, but, his physical skills are not less, and probably much greater. Both have shown they can handle the pressure.

    reff (176333)

  276. I prefer naked midget Thai tranny wrestling. That’s athleticism!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  277. LOL, JD, daleyrocks is talkin’ about you again.

    Chris Hooten (07d960)

  278. Thirty seconds for a controversial topic.

    Is Brett Favre an egotistical jerk making himself the center of attention, or a great football player who loves the game and is taking it year by year to see how his body responds to off-season surgery, etc.,? (Or the proverbial mixture of both?)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  279. Was it Favre that made himself the center of attention, MD? or was it the fans and the media whores that were itching for something to talk about before the season gets underway?

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  280. Slurp-pee whizzed:
    213. Palin would be great for the American people. If she were voted in as Vice President she would have already done a good job and quit to make money off of the American people by now.
    — Have you not read The Gospel According To Happyfeet? According to that sacred tome she has already done what you said, without having been (or needing to be) elected vice-president.

    215. The best part about the American right is that they don’t value intelligence.
    — Street smarts over book smarts
    — Pragmatism over idealism
    — Wisdom over knowledge
    — Workable over theoretical
    — Well-versed over well-read

    Obama didn’t have to hop around to six different degree-granting institutions before he found one that would allow him to graduate.
    — And yet he still gets it all wrong. He should ask for the grant money back.

    That type of elitism shuts many of you out of any sort of position of power… so Palin is sort of your anti-intellectual Johnny Appleseed.
    — The elitism that says you need to be a Harvard-educated lawyer in order to earn a position of power? Yep. Palin not an elitist.

    218. You assume I’m a man, AD.
    — He assumed that you’re a male. Nobody here assumes that you are A MAN.

    Just as mysterious as someone claiming Palin is a qualified candidate and trickle down economics both works and is fair.
    — 1) She IS a qualified candidate; 2) Someone named “pee” shouldn’t talk about anything trickling down.

    222.You’re a racist JD.
    — Your slip is showing.

    God has a special place for racists that rhymes with bell.
    — In the special place he has for you a real live troll will bugger you up the arse 24/7; rhymes with “man in Crisco”.

    Are you claiming that Obama frauded us into thinking that he graduated from college even though he didn’t?
    — He frauded us into thinking that he graduated from college actually knowing something.

    Are you also a birther?
    — I’m an after-birther. Guess who my favorite new conspiracy theory is about!

    My elitist leftist views cause me this awful desire to vote for intelligent presidential candidates.
    — And “awful” is exactly what we got. Thanks much!

    Icy Texan (11d02b)

  281. Well Icy, I’m of the opinion that he just loves to do something he is good at, which is play football, and as long as his body is up to it he will do it. I raise the question as one of my sons, who used to be a fan, is disgusted and thinks Favre is on par with LeBron James. He sees it as Favre making the Vikings jump through hoops to make him play, “Pay me more money. Come pick me up with the corporate jet.” etc. So, if one sees it that way I can understand why a Favre fan would get upset, because one thing that people liked about him was his simple love of the game and wanting to play without making himself out to be special. But this is what you use corporate jets for, and with all of the money these guys make, it might as well be three buddies stopping by in the car to pick him up to go to a movie.

    I think my son agreed with the idea that Favre was making himself “more important than the team” with the saga with the Packers two years ago. I never understood that perspective. I always saw it as that he just wanted to play and decided not to retire, and the Packers made it an issue when they didn’t want to start him but at the same time feared his abilities enough as to not want to let him play elsewhere. The Packers had every right to say they didn’t want to make him their starter, but trying to hold him hostage was where the real problems began, as far as I can tell. It is quite a disappointment for him (my son that is), as he remembered becoming a Favre fan when he led the Packers to a victory over the Steelers in a playoff game years ago. When not on the field, Favre was on the sideline vomiting with the flu, while my son was vomiting post-concussion, watching from his hospital bed.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  282. I blame the MFM. They must have had 4+ straight segments on Fav-ruh on ESPN last night, one for each snap he took. The coverage the MFM foists upon us is ridiculous. I happen to enjoy him, and am glad he came back, but the relentless orgy of coverage is, at-best, off putting.

    JD (b7da2f)

  283. I’ve always hated Britt Farrve, however for the 1st half of his career because he was just too damn good for my Bears to do anything with, and the 2nd half for unmasking himself for being the horse’s arse many of us thought he always was. Yeah yeah, the guy’s got all those touchdown passes – but he also has a sh-tload of int’s, and many of those came down to season – ending brain farts/egomaniacal/narcissism/Diva toss – ups that you wouldn’t even see during a freaking pee – wee league game. The MFM definitely gets a big assist for his continued asshattery, and while I think any professional player has the right to play as long as he wishes, I hope the Packers take his right leg off at the kneecap this season. Then we can watch the endless shots of his wife grimacing and gesticulating in the stands – again…and again.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  284. Oh, and crissyhooten, that was pathetic.

    JD (b7da2f)

  285. It’s one thing to admire an amazing performer, but some of this professional sports thing is enjoying someone’s trials and successes, maybe some kind of role model type experience for kids, some family shared experiences…

    That’s why the Favres and Woods and even Kyle Busch, insofar as I’m aware of him, can really undermine themselves when they expose themselves as unlikeable or worse. Sure, nothing can take away their achievements, but they become drastically less relevant and successful when so many people reject them. At least in comparison to what they could have been.

    For some reason, this is becoming a universal theme among pro sports.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  286. LOL. Yeah, Dmac, I think expecting any Chicagoan to have an unbiased opinion on Favre or his career is futile. What a thorn he has been to our Bears all these years.

    elissa (b4cd08)

  287. well said, elissa.

    I think Brian Urlacher liked Favre more than Dmac.
    I liked Walter Peyton in spite of his playing for da Bears.

    Dustin, I’m surprised you linked Favre and Woods together. I think even if one looks at Favre through the worst possible lens, his behavior and Wood’s are very, very different, in my opinion.

    While acknowledging personal bias on who one cheers for, I do think there can be some objective appreciation for talent. In one way a game is a game, but I still like reasoning based on fact, not the glib remarks that sportscasters make. Last year was one of Favre’s best stats-wise, if not the best, and I don’t think he’s any different in his approach to the game and passing ability than from the beginning of his career or his worst seasons. He proves it is a team game. He’s always thrown passes that depend on the ability of the receiver to “get”, not just catch the ball. Some years he hasn’t had as good receivers as others. Throwing speed? If Nolan Ryan could throw 95+ mph baseballs at 40 (I believe without steroids), a football player can still hum the football, if he has avoided shoulder injury. And in fairness to sportscasters, one of them (I don’t remember who) pointed out that even in his years with the most interceptions, they usually came in the 4th quarter when he was trying to make something happen when the team was behind. Yes, he made a big mistake last year, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame the Viking loss on him with all of the fumbles that were made by others.

    While we are on an open thread and talking sports, Mike K. (or anyone else) what do you think about the “epidemic” of compartment syndrome in that HS football team? I heard one report say they all had it in the triceps muscle. Must have been something they were all doing that caused overwork and trauma to that area, whether a legit exercise or not.

    P.J. for MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  288. Excuse me, that last post was from me. The only thing P.J. watches is “Survivor”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  289. Yes, he made a big mistake last year, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame the Viking loss on him with all of the fumbles that were made by others.

    And the year before that, in a critial last game in the season for the Jets (for getting into the playoffs), when he coughed up another INT when they were going in for the winning score. Annnnd the year before that, when he threw up a critical INT during the go – ahead score in the playoffs vs. the Giants. Annnnnd….you get the idea.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  290. I’ll just end with the funniest commentary regarding the media’s endless slurpfest regarding Favvfre, and this is by a Vikings fan, no less:

    http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/08/peter-king-amateur-favrologist.html#more-28701

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  291. Dmac- this was never discussed by commentators, nor did I see enough replays, but I thought it was a miscommunication (with the Jets). I thought Favre was throwing a quick slant to the wide receiver on the left, and he just didn’t go with the snap, hence football delivered to the DB instead of to the WR who should have been in front of him. I don’t remember the details of the previous year, but yes, I think he just blew it that time. I just thought it was ridiculous for the announcers to essentially summarize Favre’s season as “another year ended by an interception”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  292. “Dustin, I’m surprised you linked Favre and Woods together. I think even if one looks at Favre through the worst possible lens, his behavior and Wood’s are very, very different, in my opinion.”

    You’re right, there is no comparison really. I was speaking to a general idea that I think is just a broad problem with pro sports in that it is difficult to root for some of these folks. It’s pretty unfair of me to lump Favre in there.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  293. Dustin- It makes perfect sense that you were just painting with a broad brush, and I put too much emphasis on the details. I agree with you in general.

    Interesting, I heard Fran Tarkenton interviewed a few weeks ago. His top pay in the NFL in the 70’s was $275,000/yr, and like most other players, earlier in his career he worked another job in the off-season. I guess there’s a reason I don’t plan on buying tickets to an NFL game anytime soon.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  294. Concerning voter verifiable voter fraud and changing elections, there has been one high profile case that was definitely thrown because of voter fraud. Al Franken.

    Felons voting gave Senate seat to Franken

    “What we did this time is irrefutable,” McGrath said. “We took the voting lists and matched them with conviction lists and then went back to the records and found the roster lists, where voters sign in before walking to the voting booth, and matched them by hand.

    “The only way we can be wrong is if someone with the same first, middle and last names, same year of birth as the felon, and living in the same community, has voted. And that isn’t very likely.”

    The report said that in Hennepin County, which in includes Minneapolis, 899 suspected felons had been matched on the county’s voting records, and the review showed 289 voters were conclusively matched to felon records. The report says only three people in the county have been charged with voter fraud so far.

    A representative of the Hennepin County attorney’s office, who declined to give her name, said “there was no one in the office today to talk about the charges.”

    But the report got a far different review in Ramsey County, which contains St. Paul. Phil Carruthers of the Ramsey County attorney’s office said his agency had taken the charges “very seriously” and found that the Minnesota Majority “had done a good job in their review.”

    The report says that in Ramsey, 460 names on voting records were matched with felon lists, and a further review found 52 were conclusive matches.

    Carruthers attributed differences in the numbers to Minnesota Majority’s lack of access to nonpublic information, such as exact birth dates and other court records. For example, he said, “public records might show a felon was given 10 years probation, but internal records the county attorney has might show that the probation period was cut to five and the felon was eligible to vote.”

    Carruthers said Ramsey County is still investigating all the names and has asked that more investigators be hired to complete the process. “So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open,” he said. “And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed their numbers.”

    Response, Chris?

    Jay Curtis (8f6541)


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