[Guest post by DRJ]
The White House has apologized for calling for Shirley Sherrod’s ouster
“White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called the dismissal of Shirley Sherrod an injustice and a mistake and said he was apologizing for the “entire administration.” He said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was trying to reach her to extend an apology.”
Sounds like the White House admits it acted stupidly.
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The mainstream media ignored the original story until it became a gotcha on Brietbart. He also owes her an apology.
Arizona Bob (f57a20) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:07 pmI don’t understand why Breitbart or even the White House owes Sherrod an apology. She admitted she treated a white person she was counseling different than she would treat a black person, and this was in the late 1980’s. Treating people the same was a long-accepted practice in the professional world by the 1980’s and while I’m glad Sherrod has seen the error of her ways, converting from a race warrior to a class warrior doesn’t make her enlightened.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:13 pmBreitbart lied about what the video represented and he should apologize for trashing this lady’s reputation.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:14 pmIf you see the whole video you understand that she was trying to tell a story about racism being a bad thing what we don’t need any more of in this vale of tears.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:15 pmSounds like the White House admits it acted stupidly.
— Ya see? And y’all were afraid that nothing good was gonna come from this.
Icy Texan (fdba61) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:20 pmPlus also Breitbart should apologize to the Tea Party for orchestrating this dishonest fiasco in their name and dragging them into a racial controversy what inflicted a genuine injustice on a genuine black lady what the Tea Party really really didn’t need.
The Tea Party is not an organization what was formed to promote racial freaking harmony they need to talk about the spendings. That’s what they do.
What was Breitbart thinking was gonna happen? Everyone was gonna go oh yeah black people are so racist they suck we should all support the Tea Party?
Idiot.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:20 pmIt’s just going to be the case that whenever the story makes any shift, for example, here where the White House admits it fired her and is sorry, that we are told this is Breitbart who ought to be apologizing.
What should say he’s sorry for? The initial video conveyed the wrong information about what her job and the date were when she was a corrupt racist. That was an error that should be corrected, and I can understand the notion that he should regret any error, however minor.
I think to the unrepentant racist for exposing her and her cheering audience, because those details were corrected (as soon as possible) seems like a more minor thing.
Breitbart didn’t fire this woman. He posted her own words. I’ve told it was out of context, but it wasn’t. It was clear in the short video she was going to talk about poverty’s tension with her racism. Some thought she was going to say she was sorry for her racism, but it turns out she just denies her racism was racist. Is Breitbart to apologize to someone for the potentiality that originally existed for her to have a redemptive apology for racism? I actually guess that’s legit, but he shouldn’t apologize to Sherrod, but She Is What She Looked Like.
The apology should be more like regret to his readers he wasn’t more careful. And it’s a shame this people are being told Breitbart deceived this White House when Sherrod really exactly what we thought she was.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:21 pmMake note, this doesn’t happen often, the White House acknowledging they’re not as smart as they think they are.
steve (369bc6) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:23 pmHappyfeet, that’s absolutely incorrect. She is on record, yesterday saying she has never committed racial discrimination. In this long speech, she is saying that eventually she helped a white guy if he’s desperate enough. She NEVER says we need no more of it, but rather launches in to more and more racial arguments. She never makes a case for treating people equally.
She says blacks should help blacks, and blacks should help poors, and gives an example of helping a white guy in spite of his whiteness.
I wish she had some argument that treating people differently based on their skin was wrong, but that’s just not the case.
All through the damn video, she is sorry blacks sold land to whites. She is sorry blacks aren’t focused on helping blacks like they used to be. She is insisting opposing Obama must be racist. She is constantly operating under the idea that race matters when deciding how much to help people.
She adds that poverty matters too, but she doesn’t say we should treat races the same.
You’re just flat out wrong and I don’t understand why.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:24 pm— Breitbart lied about what the video represented and he should apologize for trashing this lady’s reputation. —
cboldt (6df4b9) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:26 pmBreitbart said the point of the video was the audience reaction. He says it’s not his doing that the tape he had was limited in duration.
Sherrod’s reputation will be whatever she makes of it – she has a spotlight to work with now.
The mainstream media doesn’t trust Breitbart anymore (of course). Too many problems are associated with the tainted “information” he provides. That is a bigger story than the Sherrod thing. It’s really not surprising with his abysmal track record of unfair partisan hit-jobs. The only one that is going to listen to him after this most recent fiasco is Fox News. Everyone else will just tell him to p*ss off.
Chris Hooten (337c10) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:26 pmno I’m not flat out wrong she’s an old black lady from rural Georgia for crying out loud… it’s a different world and a different America what she knows and if this is the sum total of her resentments she’s rocking the racial comity like a champ I think
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:28 pmI think if the point of the video was the audience’s reaction than the impossible lameness of this stunt is exponentially more difficult to describe. Do the tea toddlers really really want to be held to some Breitbartian standard of acceptable audience reactions to speakers what might speak in front of them?
Jeez Andy please to not be doing our Tea Party friends any favors.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:31 pmAt least this makes sense.
But the idea that her ‘help poor people’ is a repudiation of her racism, when she denies she racist at all, is logically impossible. That’s you projecting your values. You know that if you are focused on helping the poor, it doesn’t make sense to discriminate on the basis of race. Those categories just don’t line up.
Sherrod doesn’t care that they don’t line up, and doesn’t acknowledge that she was racist and she’s not sorry for what she did. Rather, she thinks she’s the good guy for eventually helping a white guy in spite of his race.
She also notes that she helped this guy minimally and far less than she could have, to cover her own ass. USDA has a zero tolerance policy for any racial discrimination, but she thought this was a referral from them or the State. She shouldn’t keep her job if she violates such basic notions of fairness.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:31 pm— The only one that is going to listen to him after this most recent fiasco is Fox News. Everyone else will just tell him to p*ss off. —
cboldt (6df4b9) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:31 pmIn other words, status quo. Nothing changes.
Hey, Hooten. Yeah, you. HA-HA.
If I said something what made sense I’m way ahead of the game today I think.
but I think you’re kind of overthinking or reading too much into a story what is inherently going to be a bit apocryphal cause it’s about bygone days of yore.
When people apply this level of scrutiny to that Alaska woman there’s a lot of people what get awful bent out of shape.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:35 pmYeah, you’re flat out wrong.
Her race doesn’t matter. That she saw the civil rights movement unfold makes her more to blame for treating people according to race.
I don’t think her racial grievances give her the right to be racist. Are you the guy who bashes John Mccain for that kind of reasoning?
She denies she was racist. Ever. Your account, that she was teaching people not to be racist like her, is absolutely and provably and incontrovertibly incorrect. She can’t be using her account to tell us not to be racist like she was, when she doesn’t think she was racist.
That is ridiculous.
I keep hearing this bull that Breitbart is some kind of liar, based on people imaginations, not anything anyone can show he did. You’re doing it, and yet, you’re telling a tale that is provably untrue. At best, you’re unable to keep the facts straight and should understand why Breitbart, with far less material than you have now, was also forced to make corrections.
Sherrod doesn’t think she has ever practiced racial discrimination. Racism is wrong, even if you were mugged by a black guy or hate white people who enslaved your grandfather. Lumping all whites or blacks together for treatment decisions is so completely wrong.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:37 pmI wonder what the party line on the new Journolist is?
steve (369bc6) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:39 pmThis is a story worthy of discussion, and IMO not one of Andrew’s best moves— but geez–the world is crumbling around us and the friggen White House involves itself on multiple days with statements about a video and the media goes nuts over this but not the Journolist affrontery??
elissa (a8eab6) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:41 pmnobody has produced one single person she’s treated different cause of her race or their race in fact everybody loves her like peach cobbler
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:41 pmOn the first part, you’ve got me. I shouldn’t expect people to even care that much to understand reality. It’s a 40 minute tape of a horrible speech and I guess 99.9% of folks will just accept Obama and Ben Jealous’s current description of it.
I expect you to reject it, but I shouldn’t get bent out of shape when others do.
If Palin said it was OK to treat black people worse, just because she had some kind of “racial comity” karma system, I would call her a racist. That white farmer did not kill her dad and has nothing in common with white racists aside from being white. That’s what’s wrong with racism, of course, as you knew when you were 10.
And I’m just going to repeat, because I feel like it: she denies every practicing any kind of racial discrimination. When she said she was devoted to “only blacks”, that wasn’t racial discrimination. Her sorrow that blacks sold land to whites: not racist. Her not doing the full force of help she’s give a black man: not racial discrimination.
You seem to think there is a dog whistle message of ‘not be racist’ because she’s talking about her racism. She doesn’t realize she’s talking about racism, though. She’s just adding in ‘help poors to, maybe even the white ones too sometimes’.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:43 pmcboldt-
as it should be… proven hack liars are poor sources for news stories… Thankfully this should burn his last bridge with the media, so we don’t have to put up with his BS anymore.
Chris Hooten (337c10) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:45 pmYou know, you’ve changed your argument drastically just now, and you’re smart enough that I’m going to call you out.
You are now saying she may not be a racist at all. 10 minutes ago you said she was warning people about her obvious example of racism and why that wasn’t a good thing to do.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:45 pmYou are definitely onto something true. While you probably know Breitbart didn’t lie (he didn’t whether you know it or not), his brand probably did take a hit.
I suspect it matters very little, though. The Journolist scandal has proven that the majority of the MSM would have treated him the same, either way. And really, it’s hilarious watching the same people who conspired to sell this ‘racism’ story about the Tea Party and bury Rev Wright, actual liars with an actual proven agenda, now are pretending the real problem is that Breitbart took the limited info he had and let the people see it.
It still matters that Breitbart do a better job. He’s no liar, but it still matters that he tighten up his game as much as he can.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:49 pmwell the point is more a no harm no foul kinda thing I think cause of this is America and in America we just have to do the best we can with what we have and try to do right by people and Mrs. Shirley seems to have made a for reals effort to do that so good on her whereas Mr. Breitbart blatantly misrepresented the video in hopes everyone would decide she was an intolerable racist for so to advance a political agenda.
Well homey don’t play like that.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:49 pm— Thankfully this should burn his last bridge with the media … —
cboldt (6df4b9) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:51 pmThat was burned before this. He’s been called a lying schmuck over editing the ACORN tapes, fer cryin’ out loud. This story doesn’t change anything about his relationship with the press. The press hated him before, and it hates him now.
— Mr. Breitbart blatantly misrepresented the video in hopes everyone would decide she was an intolerable racist for so to advance a political agenda. —
cboldt (6df4b9) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:56 pmBreitbart says he published the tape because the audience reaction was newsworthy. The NAACP is refreshing its baseless accusation about Tea Party racism, and here is the NAACP yukking it up over the government sticking it to whitey.
Did he blatantly misrepresent the video? I thought he just gave us all the video he had. You seem to think he didn’t.
I suppose the standards you’re holding Breitbart up to apply to you as well, so you can tell me what evidence you have that he misrepresented something blatantly by posting it in its entirety and demanding to see the full speech.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
It’s a no harm no foul kinda thing to you that the NAACP audience was cheering racism discrimination. And they are condemning the Tea Party as racist (or as you said yesterday, they are condemning you and me as racist). I don’t think that’s ‘no harm, no foul’ at all.
you say Shirley made an effort to do right by people. I don’t agree at all. I think you need to watch the video again if you think so. She thinks whites shouldn’t by buying ‘black land’, that people shouldn’t oppose Obama’s agenda or they are racist. She thinks that letting that white farmer languish from May till November before she helped him somewhat is OK, when the USDA probably expected her to treat him as she would have a black man.
I can’t forgive her until she repents. Other people operate under different rules and I respect that. But she doesn’t even admit her racism was wrong. She does indeed agree with you that she was doing right by that white farmer to treat him worse than a black man.
No, if you’re really trying to be gracious to Sherrod, even despite her obvious racism and racial attacks, why are holding Breitbart up to a ridiculously different standard, where he’s guilty until proven innocent?
Is there something about Sherrod that makes you expect a lesser morality than Breitbart? Remember, the one who tried to tell people about intolerable racists, with no justification, was Sherrod, when she discussed Obamacare.
Sherrod owes many more apologies than Breitbart does. Can we agree on at least that?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 1:59 pmwhy am i getting the creepy feeling this is all white house kabuki theater?
First they fire her. ben jealous, who was at the actual speech, denounces her. then he pretends to have been misled… about a speech he attended. then they pressure the white house to take her back. and then they take her back.
All the while the story is not… the NAACP was approving of racism.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:03 pmBreitbart lied about what the video represented and he should apologize for trashing this lady’s reputation.
Are you auditioning for imdw’s position? Breibart said the video shows the racism of NAACP members. It does.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:03 pmMr. Breitbart blatantly misrepresented the video in hopes everyone would decide she was an intolerable racist for so to advance a political agenda.
Your mastery of the English language seems somewhat lacking. Or are you pretending to be someone else?
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:05 pmBreitbart is putting the best spin possible on it. He needs to admit he put the clip out without having access to the full tape. Now if he deliberately edited out the context, he’s done.
He was on Fox saying that he put it out to make a point about the NAACP but still he owes it to everyone to have the full story.
The woman told her sin in attempt to tell the others that it was wrong.
The problem now is that the mainstream media finally picked up the story only to discredit conservative media. I had to listen to KFWB this morning make a big deal about Breitbart setting everyone up with false information.
This is a good example of why conservative news people have to be extra careful. Watch out for the blow back.
Arizona Bob (f57a20) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:06 pmMr. Dustin we covered all the reasons that Mr. Breitbart is a big dishonest misrepresenty misrepresenter here… I think most of it is covered in the first 100 comments.
Jeez the whole story was about her repenting she’s a good egg she just happens to be a dirty socialist what is not at all fond of Team R.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:07 pmPlus also Breitbart should apologize to the Tea Party for orchestrating this dishonest fiasco in their name and dragging them into a racial controversy what inflicted a genuine injustice on a genuine black lady what the Tea Party really really didn’t need.
The Tea Party was dragged into a “racial controversy” when left-wing groups including the NAACP called them racist. Breibart had noting to do with it.
And why do you keep using the word “what” where you mean “that” or “which”?
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:12 pmI had to listen to KFWB this morning make a big deal about Breitbart setting everyone up with false information.
So why blame Breibart for KFWB’s dishonesty? That makes no sense.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:16 pm— The problem now is that the mainstream media finally picked up the story only to discredit conservative media. —
cboldt (6df4b9) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:18 pmThat’s not a problem, that’s a feature. The public will be better off when it has factions of press at each others throats, giving dissenting views. The public has make its own decision which, if either, is closer to the truth. National Enquirer does better than the MSM, ROTFL.
Breitbart is putting the best spin possible on it. He needs to admit he put the clip out without having access to the full tape. Now if he deliberately edited out the context, he’s done.
What do you mean, he’s done? If he edited the clip he’s still behaved more honestly than the MSM does.
This is a good example of why conservative news people have to be extra careful. Watch out for the blow back.
Seems to me the blowback is coming from the right. Or people who claim to be on the right.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:18 pmMeh. I don’t know why this particular issue has me so irritated. I think anyone who cares enough to pay attention to me over time knows that I just have a particular problem with racism.
See, this doesn’t matter to me. She’s a liberal, and that’s annoying, but I brush that off. I get just as irritated with racism from conservatives, when I see it (it’s not nearly as common on the right, IMO).
I refuse to accept holding Breitbart to a different standard than Sherrod. I want to know: why are you doing that? Breitbart posted Sherrod’s comments and showed the audience’s reaction. It is what it is. The more context we get the better, but it still is racism.
Sherrod, on the other hand, condemns all opponents of health care reform as racists. She’s doing exactly what some are pretending Breitbart was doing: lying about racism and distorting reality to score partisan points. and she’s doing it on a much wider scale. And unlike Breitbart, she’s wrong.
So at least give me this little something of treating both these people to the same standard.
I am not surprised few people are focused on the topic of this story: the white house’s naked political game and general patheticness.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:28 pmThe mainstream media doesn’t trust Breitbart anymore
Hilarious – Chrissy actually pretends that the MFM accepted the ACORN tapes with open arms, instead of trying mightily to suppress critical information regarding their illegal activities. Then we had the screeching and yowling about frogmarching O’Keefe to the Federal Pen (regarding the tapes on the congresswoman’s offices), which resulted in a farking misdemeanor. Funny, that outcome wasn’t reported on much, either.
Quite an assclown is our own little Chwissy.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:29 pmI’m sure this was just a misunderstanding
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_attorney_probe
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:33 pmI would love to pretend this rightwing blowback against Breitbart is just from mobies or concern trolls, but too much of it is coming from bona fide thoughtful conservatives. It’s hard to understand, because, to me, what Sherrod was exposed as justifies everything that happened to her in addition to considerable pity. I didn’t think it was automatically a condemnable injustice to post the material you had on a story, make your best analysis, and insofar as that’s not true in light of more evidence, you issue a correction.
Several of these people bashing Breitbart have made errors and updated to reflect that. In this case, the story is largely the same. This idea that she redeemed her racism is obviously just not possible, and doesn’t explain the audience reaction or constant racial commentary. Wishful thinking?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:34 pmThe problem is that neither Breitbart or O’Keefe, for that matter, have any actual journalism stories to put out there that are fact-based. It all seems to be over-spun hogwash. They aren’t very good journalists, and manufacture “news” rather than cover it. Now is the time people should take better stock of their information sources, and how trustworthy they are.
Chris Hooten (ac347d) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:39 pmDude, she didn’t tell her story as if it were a sin. Watch the full video yourself. She doesn’t even know it’s racism, and she never says it’s wrong, says she’s sorry, or conveys any sense of error. She congratulates herself for eventually helping the man, as if his months of suffering were not her fault, but the ‘white’ lawyer’s fault she left him to.
Let’s be absolutely clear: Sherrod insists she has never committed racial discrimination. Those who say she was trying to say her racism was wrong are mistaken. She is congratulating herself for helping a white man at all. In no way does she communicate to the audience that they ought to treat whites the same as blacks. This concept simply doesn’t exist in her speech.
As far as your initial demand, that Breitbart needs to admit he put the clip out without having access to the full tape: dude, he was constantly pointing out that he was trying to get the full tape. You’re repeating someone’s lies. He never pretended he didn’t have access to the full tape. There’s no way he edited out the much worse context of her attacks on the Tea Party… that’s just totally unrealistic.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:40 pmGood Allah. Hooten levels of stupidity should hurt. A lot.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:42 pmBreitbart should have issued a correction about how this lady’s racisms were done not when she was in the employ of the USDA. That was and is wrong.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:46 pmWhen she says ‘it’s not about black vs white’, she is not saying ‘treat blacks and whites the same’, but that the ‘black vs white’ concept isn’t the only issue… it’s still a major factor in her views in several parts of her speech, but there’s this additional ‘help poors’ issue.
Is this hard to follow? Not my fault. She told a confused speech. But her story about the white farmer, while a lesson about her learning to help poor people for poorness despite their race, is not a message to the audience that it was wrong to treat blacks better than whites. In fact, this idea is in conflict with several parts of her speech, even if we ignore that she said on CNN yesterday that she has never practiced racial discrimination.
Do some of you, like happyfeet, just want so badly for this racist to be redeemed that you’re projecting this idea that she admitted what she did and said it was wrong? Are you just somehow inserting that much meaning into her ‘it’s about haves vs have nots’? That’s an unjustified leap that isn’t rooted in her speech and directly contradicted by her commentary about her speech.
Believe it or not, and I know this is compeltely unheard of in the history of the world, but sometimes socialists are also racists. At the same time. Even when they are preaching socialism and not directly promoting racism, we can’t just assert the social warfare = they do not condone treating races differently.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:47 pmAbsolutely agreed.
He has updated on this to that effect, but the correction format makes the most sense.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:48 pmBreitbart owes no apology. His point was that NAACP racists were clapping and hooting with approval as Sherrod spoke of having a view of this white farmer that SHE HERSELF admitted was racist. If she claims to have subsequently moved away from that racism, congratulations–we can certainly find space in our hearts to take her at her word, and add her name to the long list of bigots who say they later saw the light: Robert Byrd, ex of the Ku Klux Klan; Jesse Jackson, who coined “Hymie Town,” etc. But Sherrod’s racism, or renunciation of her racism, isn’t the issue; the issue is the racism of her NAACP audience, and that racism was as shameful as it was typical of that organization. Bravo to Breitbart!
Kevin Stafford (ff3afb) — 7/21/2010 @ 2:55 pmdo you have a link to the update?
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:00 pmhappyfeet, your claim that Breitbart lied about the video is simply false. You don’t agree with his interpretation but he didn’t lie.
The White House is showing again, to any who pay attention, just how incompetent they remain.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:07 pmHooten refering to others as “hack” and “liars”.
The irony, it should burn more.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:09 pmIndeed, drj — her very language itself, in that speech, was blatantly racist. It’s clear that she considers “black persons” and “white persons” to be two different objects, still. She’s just learned to be more circumspect about it.
IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (79d71d) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:16 pmThis is what I think is the original Big Gov post on it.
now, just because this post doesn’t say she doesn’t work at USDA doesn’t mean the implication wasn’t there. The video really does carry that mistaken message, IMO. I think it’s an honest mistake, but it’s wrong.
An update to the story, the NAACP statement
This clearly claims she was racist in the way she used her USDA power. Now, it’s the NAACP being quoted, but it’s still not correct.
Consider that for the moment: the first time it’s posted in text that the USDA power was used to discriminate, it’s the NAACP being quoted. This was an honest mistake, but again, even those should be corrected because they are wrong.
Another update
This tells Sherrod’s story, and laments than the NAACP hasn’t made it easy to understand what the truth is.
An additional update:
“Agriculture Department spokesman Chris Mather said Sherrod was let go because of what she said in March that was captured on the videotape, not due to her actions in regard to the farmer two decades ago.”
So, a Big government reader is getting mistaken information at the onset, but it’s obviously actual mistakes in good faith, based on even the NAACP’s direct account of their own event.
A correction that clarifies the entire discrepancies would be a good thing, but a big government reader is informed correctly on the actual nature of her racism, when it happened, and that she wasn’t at USDA at the time, but merely abusing a referral she thought was from the USDA or the state of Georgia.
It’s still racial discrimination and I don’t understand thoughtful folks like Ed Morrissey thinking she ought to keep her job. She doesn’t even admit this was racism.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:21 pmImagine if that had been a Republican.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:23 pmMaybe Lifetime or Oxygen can make an after-school special about this.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:29 pmDustin, why doesn’t the white farmer’s wife (the white farmer in the story) think that she is racist? Why does she feel this is a completely inaccurate depiction of Sherrod, and how she helped them to save their farm? The big government reader is most definitely not well informed.
Chris Hooten (b6e72d) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:31 pmI don’t know that I’m going to be as anti-Breitbart as happyfeet, but he is shaping up as the Radley Balko of the right. He overstates and overdramatizes.
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:33 pmoh. If she had been a Republican God have mercy in her soul.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:33 pmThat is a silly defense, Hooten. Silly. If a child assrapist’s victims don’t want the child assrapist charged and prosecuted for the child assrapings, that does not mean the child assrapist is not a child assrapist.
And that is not THE farmer’s wife from the story, that is A farmer’s wife. You are really slow. Painfully so. Breathing must be an overwhelming task for you.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:36 pmsometimes it’s ok to overstate and overdramatize it’s just he was messing with a real person in a damaging yet not very honest way.
We don’t do people like that…
Not real people.
We should all probably review the flash cards.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:37 pmYou know, this would also make a great lead into an intentionalism post. 😉 (Ducks)
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:41 pmWe should thank God that Mr. Hooten trolls here to keep us well informed.
Old Coot (5b534b) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:42 pmThe big government reader is most definitely not well informed.
That caused me to choke on my soda in laughter. Given how often we’ve seen Chris Hooten make false assertions of fact and history here, I don’t think he knows that “well informed” would look like.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:44 pmCan someone swat nk with a rolled-up newspaper for that ?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:44 pmIt’s still racial discrimination and I don’t understand thoughtful folks like Ed Morrissey thinking she ought to keep her job.
There’s a certain type of Republican who spends his life looking for opportunities to show that he’s not like those other Republicans, the bad ones. Morrissey has it in spades.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:45 pmsometimes it’s ok to overstate and overdramatize it’s just he was messing with a real person in a damaging yet not very honest way.
The “real person” in question should never have had that job to begin with. She got employed by the same government body she sued and got rich off of. I assume the job was a pay off.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:47 pmThey aren’t very good journalists, and manufacture “news” rather than cover it. Now is the time people should take better stock of their information sources, and how trustworthy they are.Comment by Chris Hooten
— So you’re saying that you’ve deleted your bookmarks for Kos, Media Matters & HuffPo?
Icy Texan (fdba61) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:51 pmbut that wasn’t anywhere near Mr. Andrew’s point at all Subotai
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:52 pmLiberals get the benefit of playing nuance but we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard because we don’t control the mainstream media. Credibility is more important for our side because of this.
The complete context of Ms. Sherrod’s speech doesn’t make her look bad or as bad as the edited clip. She said she struggled with racism (her father was murdered by the KKK) but ultimately rejected it.
Breitbart will be referred to by the media as the guy who releases edited and misleading videos on behalf of the right. Didn’t they try to discredit him on the ACORN story?
On a lesser note, this is not the type of board where we need to refer to people we disagree with as “dude.” I hate hearing that when I go into the Guitar Center too.
Arizona Bob (f57a20) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:53 pmIcy – He is more of a mediamatterz and bradblog clown.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:53 pmand this has nothing to do with conservative or liberal it has to do with very basic do unto others type ways of going about things
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:54 pmCan someone swat nk with a rolled-up newspaper for that ?
Comment by SPQR — 7/21/2010 @ 3:44 pm
Tommorrow, please. I spent the whole day repairing an under the floor water pipe that was was broken (and it will take me two days, two days apart, to repair the floor. Have mercy. 😉
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:54 pmschedule spanking session
check
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 3:58 pmhappyfeet – Maybe some of the Vivid gals would volunteer? 😉
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:00 pmLiberals get the benefit of playing nuance but we have to hold ourselves to a higher standard because we don’t control the mainstream media. Credibility is more important for our side because of this.
Credibility with who? The people who hated Breibart last week still hate him today. The people who did not hate him last week still don’t hate him today. I don’t know what you think you are accomplishing by repeating these liberal talking points.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:00 pmI bet they’d appreciate the opportunity to practice
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:02 pmbut that wasn’t anywhere near Mr. Andrew’s point at all Subotai
What wasn’t? Your incoherent commenting style tends to undermine whatever point you are making.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:02 pmI didn’t hate him last week at all in fact I respected how he went to bat for the funny looking kid but this week I think he’s dishonest and reckless.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:03 pmwell Mr. Subotai the convention would be that I would have been referring to your last comment if I didn’t specify a referent, yes? Yes. And that would have been #66.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:07 pmI would not trust Chris Hooten to tell me the time of day.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:08 pmHonest. This is how I spent my day, today. http://krites.blogspot.com/2010/07/when-i-am-king-of-world.html
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:09 pmSo you don’t care about your credibility, unless it is with conservatives that agree with you? That’s not much of a credibility bar to shoot for, Subotai. It seems reflective of a much larger problem with the GOP. Credibility is much easier to lose than to gain back.
Chris Hooten (b6e72d) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:10 pmWell, I don’t know what you think “Andrew”s point was, not do I really care. The point I’m making is that you are making a martyr of a rather disgusting person.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:10 pmnk – I have several good contractors that I could refer you to.
JD (3399c0) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:11 pmCredibility is much easier to lose than to gain back.
Comment by Chris Hooten — 7/21/2010 @ 4:10 pm
Tell it your your fellow travelers in what was once the “mainstream” media.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:14 pmThank you, JD. But it’s done. We could not do a straight weld because the pipe was still full of water so we did a flare union.
We have hot water and the job now is to restore the floor. Sand, PVC protection for the pipes, more sand, cement, floor tile.
The wall is a no-brainer, chickenwire, plaster, Durabond, paint.
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:22 pmI sincerely don’t want to see this kind of episode become Breitbart’s norm. I think nk has a legit concern, even if I think Breitbart wasn’t being dishonest so much as making an honest error.
I guess it would seem like I ‘m deflecting if I point out this isn’t the major issue when the president is having someone terminated and then saying that he’s sorry for it, or when the NAACP is cheering racism and casting stones, or when a lot of people seem to be deflecting those issues because the original video is not the whole picture. There is a pretty important problem with racism from blacks and we should be willing to discuss it. But it’s pretty clear that a lot of people don’t want that discussion.
Happyfeet, for example, moves from denying there was racism, Hooten style, to saying it’s OK for her to make this mistake because, by golly, she’s a hard luck black lady and we should cut her enough slack on this.
No one gets a pass to be racist in my book. That’s just my book, and I’m not the boss of any of you, but if I were Shirley’s boss, I would fire her for this.
This completely side-issue, that Breitbart should issue an all encompassing correction and discussion of why these errors occurred, as well as an honest stand on the truth of his other claims, would only do good, in my opinion.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 4:52 pmYou can say the White House admitted they were stupid. But in the long, they were stupid to have trusted Breitbart.
The big loser here is Breibart – who has damaged his brand.
Now he will tell you, as he has done over and over, that he’s not a news source, that he doesn’t vet his material, that he is but a “news aggregator.” Well, as long as he does that all information from his site will be suspect.
But if I were him – I’d apologize and say we’re going do better next time. And then announce that he’s hiring some to check this stuff out a little bit. I know he’d be reluctant to do that – to hire someone, not because he’s cheap but because speed of getting the story up and online is the drug that fuels this game. He gets excited and wants it up. NOW.
Newsiepants (219c8d) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:13 pmNewsiepants, why? You seem all confident that Breitbart hurt his brand … but you can’t tell us why.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:17 pmnk
you didn’t do the old “stuff some bread way back into the pipe and solder away” method?
was it a badly soldered joint or did the copper degrade because of the corrosive influence of the concrete?
was any rebar touching the pipe or is it being used as a ground?
just trying to give you a heads up on whether or not you need to buy an electric jackhammer for future repairs….
do they allow PEX where you live?
sometimes it can pay off to just bite the bullet and by pass the underground nonsense and run it through the studs.
while this is a sin, picture an architect who puts the duct work for your heating system under the slab and he/she specs that nice flexible stuff… which is cool until somehow it gets a little puncture… and then during a huge rain storm the septic system fail s and of course its also winter cold so you turn on the heat…. and you blow heated sewer mist throughout the home.
I attended the initial presentation for the construction defects lawsuit watched the videos of the xrays of the whole construction and had a fabulous time they had fruit and bottled water… I think the home cost $3M to build and the suit was settled for $6M plus attorneys fees (if memory serves…. sometimes it double faults)
SteveG (fcf23f) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:21 pm“If she claims to have subsequently moved away from that racism, congratulations–”
Yeah, congratulations.
But, you don’t get a government job as your reward.
I don’t want people with any sort of racist past working for the government, just in case they hven’t really mended their wicked ways.
When I see someone that spent years working for a black ONLY group…then you’re automatically disqualified in my eyes. You’ve already demonstrated that you’re not too interested in serving EVERYONE, only in serving those who share your skin color.
“You know, the first time I was faced with helping a white farmer save his farm. He took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing. But he had come to me for help. What he didn’t know, while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me, was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him.”
Get a clue, folks. She’s a racist (hint: that’s why she worked for an organization that didn’t help white people too much), and she’s not going to help white folks in the same way she’s going to go all out for black folks…and if you think otherwise, you be crazy.
We can do better than her.
And, nobody owes her an apology. Believe it or not, people aren’t entitled to government jobs. They serve entirely at our pleasure. We’re not comfortabl;e with your past associations, words, deeds, whatever…you’re out the door.
As for the Obama administration…they could screw up a wet dream. Total incompetents top to bottom. They were right to fire her, but naturally, they then tried to reverse themselves, just to prove they can’t do anything right, I suppose.
Dave Surls (782b86) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:39 pmThe NAACP WAS NOT cheering racism in that speech. That was a lie.
Chris Hooten (327a86) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:39 pmThere was no reaction to the speech.
Chris Hooten (327a86) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:40 pmWe have always been at war with EastAsia.
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:44 pmThe NAACP’s own statement about Sherrod’s speech: “The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing.”
Good job, Hooten. Where you do copy these ridiculous talking points?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:50 pmNeither Mr. P or Mr. G have told me what to think about Shirley so I’ve had to think all on my own it’s been exhausting.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:51 pmget your facts straight.
Chris Hooten (327a86) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:51 pmLogically, Breitbart did not edit the speech. If he had the whole speech, he would have known that there was no way he had the only copy of the speech and that the blowback once the entire speech was released would hurt him. The worst thing he did was trust his source or his source’s source as anyone that edited the speech should have known that the whole speech would have come out very quickly, especially knowing that the white farmer became a good friend of hers who could easily defend her.
JFH (08f0a4) — 7/21/2010 @ 5:51 pmOh, my. That is rich, considering the source.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:01 pmI don’t think it was cheering-cheering, you know?
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:02 pmMeanwhile, Chris Hooten is feverishly hunting through his emailed talking points trying to find a
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:05 pmrebuttalsquirrel! .Come on SPQR, no need to rub it in… Chris was a victim of poor timing (if he hits the Submit button just 15-30 secs earlier, his comment would look bad, but not really stupid)
JFH (08f0a4) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:15 pmhappyfeet,
You seem to be under the impression that racism was rampant in American society in the late 1980s, as if we were practically living in the dark era of Reconstruction. Brown vs Board of Education was decided in 1954 and most Southern and Southwestern school districts were under desegregation orders by the 1960s. By the late 1980s, two generations had been educated in schools with blacks, whites, Hispanics, etc. Certainly there were (and are) still racists in the world but if you were an adult racist in the 1980s, you probably always will be … or you’ll be like Sherrod, who replaced discrimination based on race with discrimination based on salary.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:24 pmA surprising article at Yahoo News.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_black_racism
The MSM, talking about black racism?
Subotai (0514c6) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:26 pmnk
….
was it a badly soldered joint or did the copper degrade because of the corrosive influence of the concrete?
Comment by SteveG — 7/21/2010 @ 5:21 pm
The pipe was defective, one wall was much thinner than the other. Maybe from the factory, maybe it had been hit, bent, or twisted, at installation.
And, yes, they had put concrete directly on the pipe and the concrete was still hot after forty years — it “burned” my fingers as I was cleaning it out.
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:29 pmI bet nobody ever asked Shirley to join Junior League.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:35 pmThere was no reaction to the speech.
teh stupid is strong with this one.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:36 pmDmac, you mean how he calls the NAACP liars?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:36 pmNo one ever asked me. So?
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:42 pmwell I didn’t really get your point either
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:43 pmI don’t think she did anything wrong but to tell an apocryphal story what left her open to a puerile gotcha.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:44 pmI think she has some dumb thinkings in her head.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:44 pmI think she no know how talk pretty.
nk (db4a41) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:54 pmGo to Brietbart’s site, Big Journalism, click on Andrew’s article and look at the first video.
About 1 minute and 40 seconds in you see Shirley Sherrod begins to explain her redemptive realization that her racial prejudice can be overcome. It’s been there all along.
Brietbart mentions it in his article, he wrote, “In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn’t do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from “one of his own kind”. She refers him to a white lawyer.”
It was Brietbart’s reference to redemption and Sherrod’s words in the video that alerted Glenn Beck to the wrong the USDA and the White House did to Sherrod.
But, now, Sherrod has come out on Media Matters and made accusations about FOX NEWS that are beyond the pale. On the one hand, she’s been wronged, but on the other she’s beginning to reveal a rather disturbing side to her personality. Time will tell the tale.
Now would be a good time to step back and wait to see a few more cards turned face up. There’s much more here than has yet even been hinted at.
ropelight (76c1f2) — 7/21/2010 @ 6:57 pmhappyfeet,
I thought my point was very clear and I definitely got your point — that as a black, Shirley Sherrod was probably the victim of discrimination so you think we should cut her some slack on her views. I think the way to show respect for Shirley Sherrod is not to treat her like a second-class citizen who needs special handling.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:05 pmshirley sherrod will
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:14 pmsoon be shown to have said a
whole lotta bad things
==And that is not THE farmer’s wife from the story, that is A farmer’s wife==
JD, thanks for continuing to point this out. Instead of “Look! a kitty!” or “Look! a squirrel!”, because of those attempting to fog the issue we (and Breitbart) have to deal with and rebut “Look! a farmers wife!”. Rolls eyes.
elissa (a8eab6) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:14 pmwell we have to cut her some slack on her views … the views she has are ones she’s for reals entitled to… I suspect that they are in no small part informed by her old black southern ladyness. I’m just trying to understand her cause of she says a lot of things what strike me as being both really dumb and really mean. But not necessarily racist.
Strident.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:15 pmHalftime Score:
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:16 pmDustin 35
Happyfeet 0
how much hoot coulda
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:16 pmhooten hoot hoot if’n a
hooten could hoot hoot?
Also it was really dumb of Andrew to hand her the conch I think.
This will not help the Tea Party move past the stupid allegations of racisms it will make it a lot worse I bet.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:18 pmunlike the Tea Party this woman knows how to stay on message
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:19 pmI still want to know how that law suit settlement discussed in the Examiner fits in.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:24 pmThis will not help the Tea Party move past the stupid allegations of racisms it will make it a lot worse I bet.
Only rings true with the flatliners. Democrats wish it were so, as it would help turn the focus off of OBAMA and the Democrat-controlled Congress’ failed economic policies and JOBLESSNESS.
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:26 pm__________________________________________
The mainstream media doesn’t trust Breitbart anymore (of course). Too many problems are associated with the tainted “information” he provides. Comment by Chris Hooten — 7/21/2010 @ 1:26 pm
As though the mainstream media — whose motto is (when they’re not flat-out lying about their leftist biases) “we’re not liberal! we’re progressive!!” — is a good judge of anything or anyone. Starting with the New York “Jayson-Blair” Times and extending to the CBS “Dan-Rather” News.
You remind me of this phony-baloney liberal I know who a few months ago was spouting off to me about how horrible Clarence Thomas was to women. The liberal was referring to, of course, the Anita Hill controversy back in 1993. Hilarious and full of BS because this same person is a big fan of scroungy Bill Clinton.
The perceptions of the “progressive,” time and time again, cannot be trusted.
Mark (411533) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:28 pmand I’m not saying she’s a second class citizen I’m saying with her background she could tell the predominately white Tea Party a thing or two about a thing or two if she’s of a mind to and what we’ve heard so far is probably the mild stuff.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:30 pmthere is no joy in
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:30 pmhappyfeetville cuz happy
feet guy has struck out
no actually Breitbart struck out and the Tea Party by association struck out with their failed lynching of the black woman
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:33 pmhappyfeet,
Lynching?
Please tell me the victim hierarchy so I will know my place.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:39 pmhe wanted that woman to be branded a racist and held in contempt by right-thinking Americans… it was a premeditated media lynching if ever there was… he picked an uppity black woman he could use in some puerile fevered scheme what leveled a contrived tit-for-tat charge of racisms against the NAACP what could be juxtaposed with the NAACP’s accusations of racisms directed at the Tea Party.
It was all very high-concept and very very stupid, and it failed spectacularly. The Tea Party, an organization what is supposed to be focused on the spendings, is now virtually synonymous with racial tension. You just watch. We know how they roll but we’ve never seen how they roll when we hand them this much ammunition.
Good job, Andy!
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:48 pm_____________________________________
Shirley Sherrod was probably the victim of discrimination so you think we should cut her some slack on her views.
Mainly because I suspect she’s of the left (if not an ultra-liberal—who, after all, tend to gravitate towards the NAACP), it’s hard to be sure exactly how much discrimination or bigotry she’s encountered through her life. I have limited faith in such people’s sense of reality.
BTW, I overheard a conversation today among 2 black guys discussing the controversy of Arizona and illegal immigration.
I was amazed at (and rather disgusted by) how obsessed they were by race and how much they were into racial groupthink. One of the two said he felt bad about possible racial profiling of Latinos. But he also said he couldn’t feel all that bad because Latinos had traditionally not joined with blacks in fighting discrimination.
Moreover, he scoffed that Latinos (and he didn’t use qualifiers like “most,” “some,” “a handful”) viewed blacks as inferior and always tried to ingratiate themselves into white society.
I wanted to shout “but a high percentage of the folks you’re talking about, from your end to the other, are friggin’ liberals!!”
If leftwingers are racist or bigoted — if they don’t at least fit the one stereotype that I find somewhat commendable about them (ie, they’re tolerant and dislike racism) they truly aren’t worth a damn. They truly are 0 for 2.
Mark (411533) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:48 pmplus it’s freaking out of the realm of comprehension why Andy wanted to change the subject to race…
We need to be talking about the spendings and the taxings and the joblessness and the utter and imminent failure of our pathetic little country not clambering into the racial tension sandbox for “dialog.”
Unbelievably silly.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:50 pmHF, you’re so far behind in this thread you may as well forfeit. Oh, and put the shovel down.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 7:52 pmI was busy this evening and saw Ann Coulter on Sean Hannity. I was expecting a much more right wing perspective than my own… but they were both praising Sherrod.
Ann Coulter seemed to think she had some beautiful speech about why her racism was wrong.
I don’t get it.
It’s one thing to wish Breitbart had been more careful with the facts, but it’s entirely another to pretend Sherrod admits to having been racist, let alone apologizes for it and tells people not to be racist.
Anyone who argues that she is admitting the plain as day racism of her story, please watch this interview, from 00:30 to 01:00.
She was specifically discussing this very story, but claims she has never practiced racial discrimination.
now, I didn’t need that video to see that her 40 minute speech is no apology or lesson against racism. Her speech is pretty racist. But if you don’t want to watch 40 minutes of speech, or you’re unclear as to whether or not she is sorry for her obvious racism, just watch the 30 seconds I linked.
She isn’t even admitting to her racism, let alone teaching people that racism like hers is wrong.
I wish Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter had done their homework, but I’m not very familiar with them.
I realize it’s helpful ‘to the cause’ to make as much fun of Obama’s firing of this woman as possible. Perhaps that’s the spin Ann and Sean are after. Perhaps they are just idiots. Perhaps they, like happyfeet, just want to cut this racist some slack.
My single point is that the undeniably horrible racism she described in her speech is not meant to illustrate racism. She simply doesn’t see her actions in that light.
‘Oh, but she helped him eventually’. Yeah, she’s not the most extreme racist imaginable. She’s still pretty bad.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:01 pmAs you can see, it’s a topic people want to discuss, but a lot of people keep calculating and calculating that if we let this racism slide and not make too much fuss, maybe we won’t look like bigots when the media lies about the Tea Party.
Maybe that’s what’s going on: some on the right just don’t think we should take up this fight for equality.
What Sherrod did was wrong. That she would be promoted is an affront. Racism from people like her does cause a lot of social corrosion and it’s better if we face it directly.
Say, do you criticize Sherrod on these same grounds? She also decided the topic was racism in her speech, when condemning health care reform opponents. I don’t see a reason to hold Breitbart and Sherrod to different standards. Sherrod is an NAACP awardee, supposedly therefore a civil rights leader, and a senior federal official if she takes her job back.
If anything, she should be held to a much higher standard than Breitbart… oh, but she’s black and old and some people think that’s relevant to how much slack she be cut.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:05 pmPerhaps your computer needs new speakers, or your neighbors are shouting amen and clapping and laughing and cheering a soccer match and you couldn’t make the distinction.
I think this kind of obvious distortion of reality, all to pretend Breitbart is lying, shows what some are doing extremely well. If you weren’t disturbed by that audience, I feel extremely sorry for you.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:08 pmSay, do you criticize Sherrod on these same grounds?
no because she didn’t instigate this imbroglioglio… much less delude herself into instigating this for a “strategic” purpose.
I’m just very very disappointed that there will be measurably less talk about the spendings because of this incident and much more blah blah blah about racisms and social justice and reconciliation.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:14 pmWhen everybody and their brother is talking about this we are not talking about the Obamacare debacle, the financial law debacle, the journolist media debacle, the porkulus debacle, the Kagan debacle, the oil spill debacle, the presidential competence debacle or any of the foreign policy debacles. I am starting to think this Sherrod story was covertly placed with Andrew by someone he thought he could trust–but is being manipulated, orchestrated and managed to create pixie dust and fog.
elissa (a8eab6) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:17 pmDRJ
I would take few steps back and think
A woman whose father was possibly brutally murdered by the KKK
The 1980’s and early 1990’s were a time of great racial unrest – with at least 15 major riots and 100 lessor ones killing several hundred people – large section of Detroit, Atlanta, Tamp, LA and Miami are still gutted by that violence decades
I dont know why you would make statements so totally incorrect, never seen you do that before
This woman lost her father overcame her prejudice, helped maybe some of the people who knew those who killed her father
and was recklessly smeared and destroyed by a showboat trying to outshine others who knew he didnt have all the facts and smeared her again on Hannity last night and after cooler heads finally got to him – he’s backtracking as much as he can without losing everything he worked for
Like HF said – this is not going to solve overspending and taxation
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:18 pmamen elissa that is very well said
here is another comment what is very perspicacious I think
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:22 pmI don’t really feel like having some long campaign of arguing about this.
I don’t think it’s going to affect Breitbart’s stock too much anyway, and this nutcase Sherrod is almost certainly no different from whoever would have replaced her (since she’s part of the Pigford comprimise… which I thought was a huge injustice against black farmers).
You have a point that there is a bigger fight on the size of government. I don’t think it’s Breitbart’s fault that the Tea Party is having to fight off these constant charges of racism. I think that’s actually pretty silly to claim.
Look at the news for the Tea Party before this video came out. The vast majority of MSM coverage of the Tea Party involved racism accusations, ‘why they can’t let the N Word Go’ ‘Are they racist’, etc etc.
I dispute your ‘she didn’t instigate’. The NAACP’s president didn’t decide to make his attack all on his lonesome. Sherrod’s speech brought up massive ‘You’re Racist!’ charges many months before Breitbart ever heard of her, and she was speaking to the President of the NAACP and many others who decided to condemn the Tea Party. She is a significant figure for the NAACP and a senior federal official (if she takes her job back).
Now, there indeed is this ‘race mess’ story, but it’s not really ‘Is the Tea Party racist’ story anymore. In fact, the entire concept of accusing them of racism is probably going to be far less palatable.
I sure as hell hope you get what you want, though. America deserves a serious discussion about spending that isn’t hijacked by ‘Are you racist?’ accusations. whether I’m right, and this started months ago, or you’re right, and Breitbart brought this to the Tea Party, we both agree it’s tiresome and a distraction.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:26 pmhey let’s look at what NPR thinks about when it’s not fantasizing about murdering Limbaugh… I bet they’re thinking about the ginormous deficit.
brb.
ohnoes I was wrong this is their big story today…
high-five Andy you da man my brotha this is the dawning of the age of racial blah blah blah
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:30 pmEPWJ,
I have faced racism too. That’s why I am damn sure not going to just let someone practice it.
I do not understand why someone who saw just how awful racism is can then pretend their treatment of whites as inferiors is not racism at all.
I think the fact that she grew up seeing the civil rights progress makes it so much worse that she is such a failure on this subject.
It’s such a waste of the lessons she should have learned.
You keep bashing breitbart with all these silly points… we all expect that and I won’t bother refuting them yet again. But I posted a link proving that your claim, that she overcame prejudice, is simply not the truth.
00:30-0:100 of this video prove that she was not speaking about overcoming her racism. She was denying being a racist. If you want to tell me that she wasn’t racist for treating a white guy worse than a black, do it. If you want to tell me she should be forgiven for racism, that’s your business. If you watch this link of mine and then claim she is sorry for her racial discrimination, you are a stone cold liar.
Her help of a white man was not an apology or contrition for racial discrimination. That’s obvious to those who watch the full speech with a honest mind, but it’s blatantly proven by my link, too.
(all three links go to the same place).
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:32 pmColonel Haiku, I think Mr. Feet is off his meds. Versify?
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:32 pmIt appears she didn’t practice racial discrimination. Or rather she did, and then corrected herself.
But she is a racist. She said that black people were “her kind” and whites were “his kind” when referring to the farmer. that is racist.
And the NAACP tolerated it.
The President of the NAACP was there, and he tolerated it.
The board of directors of the NAACP was there, and they tolerated it.
And they have no business telling tea partiers that they are too tolerant of racism.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:33 pmoh. I’m not arguing Dustin I’m emoting so you’re off the hook there.
I just think this will prove to have been a spectacular own goal. I think there are many people in meetings right now scheming how best to ensure that this is a spectacular own goal.
And the timing is really horrifically bad.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:35 pmas an aside though does anyone understand why she got offered a different job to come back?
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:37 pmDustin
I dont read your posts there are too many and basicaly say nothing and add nothing to the conversation
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:37 pmHappyfeet, two days before Breitbart even brought this story up, the NPR had coverage of ‘Is the Tea Party Racist?’
At a minimum, your claim that the NPR’s focus on this story started with Breitbart ‘changing the subject’ is inaccurate.
But if you read your link and this link of mine, I think it actually kinda sorta looks like Breitbart did the Tea Party a significant favor. Instead of putting the Tea Party on the defensive, it’s the NAACP that’s on the defensive… it’s Obama who made the dumb call.
Tea Party racism seems to be overshadowed by real racism.
Now, your reply could be ‘this is just another distraction, and it will take this much more energy away from discussing limited government’. Well, you win that argument. It sucks.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:38 pmDutin
I mean word for word on every thread you are probably passing the 50% mark of total comment verbage
why on earth would anyone take you seriously?
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:39 pmbtw, i have a little too much fun with an idiot who is trying to prove Mark Williams is a racist and manages to prove himself a racist, in the process.
http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/07/another-liberal-accuses-others-of.html
And at the same time, he can’t see anything at all racist in what Sherrod said. Comedy gold.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:40 pmand he’s still typing
I think I’ve sourced the reason for the slow site response…
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:41 pmwe’ll see…
maybe I’ll be surprised.. and you’re right that NPR was desperately trying to mire the Tea Party in an endless discussion of race… I just think Andrew has now ensured it.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:43 pmYeah, Eric, Dustin doesn’t jump when you say frog. So the f— what?
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:48 pmDustin, your posts are excellent and thought provoking. Please keep commenting with vigor and ignore the rudeness being directed your way by EPWJ.
elissa (a8eab6) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:50 pmIt’s true, I am verbose.
I won’t defend my personal honor. That’s not relevant and I don’t think it needs defense. This isn’t a personality contest. I enjoy discussing many of the issues covered by this blog. I would start my own blog, but I don’t think I’m a very good writer, and I have more fun arguing.
Oh yeah, the arguing.
See, while I may not have proven that you should honor me personally, I did use this thing called a hyperlink that led to video proof that your claim was incorrect.
I don’t think the evidence leaves you any room on this point. Not that you care… you rely on insults regardless of how strong your cases are.
seriously, if that’s so important to you.
It’s pathetic that you seem to value something like being taken seriously, but you’re a serial nutcase.
If it makes you feel better, imagine me inconsolably crushed by your insults.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:55 pmWell, he only gave me two minutes. I was pretty silly to respond to him, but this issue is a disaster anyway.
happyfeet’s argument that it’s an unfortunate distraction is simply true.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 8:58 pmEric,
I agree with Dustin, especially his comment #143.
In addition, I don’t see why you and others seem to think the rules change depending on our life history. I sympathize with the fact that people have faced hardship, but that isn’t an excuse for behavior that doesn’t meet the standards of the time. In America in 1986 or 1987, what excuse is there for discrimination based on race — something Sherrod admitted she did?
DRJ (d43dcd) — 7/21/2010 @ 9:02 pmElissa,
That was kind and I’m glad you wrote that.
I do think I comment too readily to any little inkling of an issue that I have a thought about. It’s kinda silly of me.
I keep wanting to comment on AW’s blog, but I don’t have a blogger account. I’ll probably start one and start rambling on there. It is seriously one of the most disturbing events of my life to realize that I’ve caused EPWJ distress by being too wordy on this sacred blog.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 9:05 pmA.W., I read your article linked at 840 PM and found it very much worth the read (despite the length (which I overdo sometimes) and the slow points (which I also have)). Everyone should read that article.
I just can’t comment on it over there because I have this error message when it comes to blogspot.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 9:41 pmAnd everyone should ignore the troll EPWJ, who is posting during a time he said he would be unable to post.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 9:42 pm#88- Yep. ‘A bridge too far.’ And he most likely knows it. Hence the bravado and word play to the contrary. He’s a savvy guy and this one just got away from him. The brand’s the thing and he has inadvertently damaged it himself for a time. Whether it’s long term or not, time will tell. But near term, it’s bruised as a ‘reputable’ go-to source w/o a ‘professional,’ “we regret the error” mia culpa. Hurts not only brand credibility — but by extension dilutes ( or pollutes, depending on your POV) other sites and media outlets that use his pieces.
DCSCA (c29f0e) — 7/21/2010 @ 9:47 pmDCSCA, you may very well be right about that, but consider how other organizations that get stories wrong or hype the wrong things (basically all news organizations of any significance) tend to persist. He’ll have to really have the goods on the next story he intends to tell. He will be smeared the same, whether he said this or not.
Sherrod says that Andrew Breitbart and Fox News and their audiences are racists.
So, getting the context free Breitbart video to the public with whatever unfairness you believe it had: racist.
Treating one person worse than another because of their race: not racist.
—
This is the person I’m told had the redemptive lesson about racism. Her concept of racism is stupid, wrong, and self serving.
Obviously, my view is contrary to the narrative building around this bigot, Sherrod. Those, conservatives or not, who are pretending this woman is a champion against racism should be ashamed of themselves and take this Breitbart attack to heart by doing their own homework. They are completely screwing up a very important story.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:11 pmLaughing and cheering when a black woman says she treated a white man with less than her best because the white man was white: not racist
Pointing out that laughing and cheering: racist
And, Dustin, don’t let your detractors stop you from pointing this stuff out.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:16 pmCorrection: Pointing out that laughing and cheering: racist and a liar
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:18 pmjohn
Greatly appreciated. Actually that blog doesn’t allow comments because, well, i have a stalker who would urinate all over it.
But every now and then he gives me something fun to punch around.
Just remember, if you are going to practice satire, make sure you have your government issued “license to satire.” 🙂
And dig around. i particularly enjoyed the post about the sign explaining that one of the reasons to drink sake is to “refuse the future.”
I should totally tell vodkapundit about that. he might love that post.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:36 pmIn America in 1986 or 1987, what excuse is there for discrimination based on race — something Sherrod admitted she did?
I don’t believe any current specific excuse is necessary as the historical generic one is still acceptable regardless of how much time has elapsed. A certain group of people were horribly mistreated and to this day and to a great number of people that is still justification for any reverse form of discrimination.
In this current post-racial society we now live in, I don’t see that changing soon – perhaps even becoming more prevalent as somewhat healed over wounds are being picked and poked at.
Perhaps our country just needs to have that long overdue conversation about race?
Dana (a99c9f) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:40 pmnk-
I saw this amazing show on tv where they were describing a soviet era listening bug that was implanted in the concrete of the US Embassy in Moscow that used the ongoing chemical reaction in the concrete to power the device.. too bad your experience was one of duncehood; not genius.
Here’s to hoping it was an isolated event….
SteveG (11baba) — 7/21/2010 @ 10:54 pmCheck out the LA Times’s “media critic’s” tweets: Rainey is after FOX on the Sherrod story, but the “media critic” has nothing to say about JournoList.
http://twitter.com/latimesrainey
LukeHandCool (fa3b23) — 7/22/2010 @ 1:25 am128. no actually Breitbart struck out and the Tea Party by association struck out with their failed lynching of the black woman
Comment by happyfeet — 7/21/2010 @ 7:33 pm
— Wow. As if you hadn’t already ‘jumped the shark’ on this one. Ya know, I’m beginning to think that the greatest reveal coming from this story is that Andrew Breitbart is the head of the Tea Party! Who knew?
Icy Texan (c2073e) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:17 am[Sherrod] was recklessly smeared and destroyed by a showboat trying to outshine others who knew he didnt have all the facts . . . and after cooler heads finally got to him – he’s backtracking as much as he can without losing everything he worked for
Comment by EricPWJohnson — 7/21/2010 @ 8:18 pm
— Hey now! Don’t you think that you’re being a little rough on poor old Tom Vilsack?
Icy Texan (c2073e) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:23 amFrom the link provided by Dustin, regarding the interview of Sherrod by Media Matters [Sherrod speaking]:
I think they [Breitbart — and maybe by extension, the Tea Party] intended it to be what it ended up being, a racist thing that could unite even more the racist people out there who follow them.”
Sherrod voicing her opinion of Fox News:
“they are after a bigger thing, they would love to take us back to… where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person.”
— Gee, you were so right, happyfeet. I don’t know how any of us ever dared to doubt you. This woman has obviously overcome any personal racist tendencies that she ever had. Mea culpa.
Icy Texan (c2073e) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:57 amIcy Texan
I think the democats are scum, pure and simple
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:01 amDRJ
You wrote increadibly incorrect and misleading statements to firm up an argument unsupported by facts – any number of posts by Dustin doesent make the any more or less correct
Your opinion that white people murdering a black womans father shouldnt matter is again
astonishing, and breathtakingly insensitive
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:07 amAgreement at last!!! Eric, I’m blowing you a kiss from halfway ’round the world.
Icy Texan (c2073e) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:53 amCondoleeza Rice, saw three of her classmates blown up in the fall of ’63, in Bombingham, that didn’t condition a hatred for white people in general although kind words for George Wallace, in that household were in short supply. An examination of
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:00 amher record after 1986 at the coop and in her year
and a half at Agriculture might be in order, then
again why bother
Icy
I agree with people’s sentiments
Breitbart is diferent rom Dustin, DRJ, Patterico, JD you John H, Eric B and most of the others – ABB doing this for MONEY, FAME and FAME=MONEY
Everyone else I mentioned is doing it for their families, their friends and because its the right thing to do
I hate seeing good people, who do goos things, being taken over a cliff, by showboats, masquerading as concerned advocates
Right now I’m at my country cabin on my lake in Tennessee – living the good life – and permanently jet lagged
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:01 amIan
Rice to this day is extremely bitter, refused to help her president with information she had and refused to help the party by running for office when asked
And she didnt lose her ather and grow up desperately poor as Sherrod did
Dont let political assisnations from the NAACP cloud your judgement
When white Farmers are coming forward to defend her to me is why this is a great country and is another part of this great panorama of the american experience – when someone who has every reason and right to hate whites overcomes this to help the same people that may have done her and her family serious harm – I think this should transcend politics –
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:10 amhappy feet off his
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:11 ammeds? what pray tell are the signs?
and now I am spent
Does anyone here believe that Breitbart was brilliant enough to know that the NAACP and the White House would fire this lady based on one short clip of one of her speeches? If he is that smart, then he is my idol.
krusher (e3e801) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:12 amRice is a brilliant talented polymath, as opposed to the Cigarstore Manniquin that took over her previous post, Mr. 85, as McCrystal’s staff called
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:18 amhim, or the scheming political hack who holds her job now. I had some qualms with her approach on
the Palestinians and democracy promotion in the Middle East, but that didn’t explain the demonization and objectification of the left, well maybe it did
Ian
Dr Rice is not Sherrod and Sherod is not Dr Rice and neither deserve to be smeared by anyone
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:19 amSherrod accused the Tea Party of racism on much less evidence than existed that she herself is racist.
Any chance that the self-appointed moral busybodies who object to false charges of racism will get around to blasting Sherrod for this?
No, I didn’t think so.
Subotai (7a944f) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:21 amwhen someone who has every reason and right to hate whites
Go away, you repulsive little bigot.
Subotai (7a944f) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:24 amNo, but one doesn’t deserve to be canonized for possibly one good thing she did reluctantly, almost
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:25 amagainst her instincts, as they are doing now, If
Breitbart among many others hadn’t dug up Van Jones
vile record, he might be making policy now. Landrieu
ha discovered this administration will put your state on a death panel, when you become inconvenient, even after you’ve ‘negotiated your
price’ And where is that one hit wonder Bill Owens
right about now
You don’t belong here.
Try Democratic Underground, or possibly http://makingitupaswegoalong.net. Or I hear there is a new mailing list to replace Journolist.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:54 amEric
The fact that Sherrod’s father was murdered is irrelevant to the question of whether she is a racist or not.
At best it is a mitigating factor, once we establish she is a racist. And I mean that seriously. I am far less condemnatory toward a person like her compared to your average KKKer.
But really explain to me how it can be the case that no one who has their family murdered by racists can become racists.
And rice is bitter because she refused to give Bush information? What information? Wtf are you talking about?
And not running for office is bitterness? Are you high?
The fact is Shirley Sherrod is a racist. White people are not her kind, according to her. That is an INHERENTLY racist thing to say. You can spin yourself into a hurricane, but the truth is the truth.
And what she said was racist. And the NAACP cheered her. And that is the real scandal.
As a commenter put it at instapundit, to find the racists at the tea parties you look to the fringe. To find them in the NAACP you look at the stage.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:09 am‘It was unbelievable. I am refusing to be on there. They have been calling me and calling me. I have refused to do an interview because they are biased,” she explained. “I don’t think Fox News does it fairly.’–Shirley Herrod on refusing to talk to Fox News
She’s just as bigoted when it comes to right wingers as she is when it comes to white people (aka “their kind”), and she’s obviously unable to rise above her personal prejudices, and she is therefore unsuited for government employement.
She should have stayed at her all black farming collective where she’d only have to deal with folks that are the right color and that think the right way.
Let her have a government job and she’ll treat people exactly the way she’s treating Fox News. It’ll be every break in the world for her pals (black and left), and it’ll be screw you to anyone who doesn’t pass muster (white or right).
Dave Surls (d631db) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:42 amFirst this:
Rice to this day is extremely bitter, refused to help her president with information she had and refused to help the party by running for office when asked
Then this:
And she didnt lose her ather and grow up desperately poor as Sherrod did
Finally:
Dont let political assisnations from the NAACP cloud your judgement
All this incoherent rambling from the same individual who accused Dustin from being too verbose. Good golly almighty, please close that blowhole of yours and keep away from the plastic cleaning bags.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:45 amDmac
I agree that a standard for me should be the same for others
One day I would welcome any intelligent, thoughtful, researched conversation from you
I’m not holding my breath, last I checked you were wanting me and my family to pay for bills
EricPWJohnson (cedf1d) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:15 amThere is no surer way for EPWJ to get off his meds than to mention Breitbart, who is due to be indicted any moment now.
JD (3399c0) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:26 amOkay, this has to be some kind of joke:
Pretty funny, from the lake cabin in Tennessee.
Most of us would welcome that particular poster using spell check.
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:35 am“Right now I’m at my country cabin on my lake in Tennessee”
EPWJ has his own lake?? Wow! He must be one of the “elite” that Sherrod was complaining about.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:42 amlake in tennessee
ColonelHaiku (d354f8) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:09 amthen he loaded up truck and
move to Beverly
” any number of posts by Dustin doesent make the any more or less correct
Your opinion that white people murdering a black womans father shouldnt matter is again
astonishing, and breathtakingly insensitive
Comment by EricPWJohnson ‘
EPWJ, you made a statement that wasn’t true. I posted a link refuting it completely.
I’m correct. 100%. If I were wrong, I would just admit it. That’s how I react when someone has a good criticism of my views because I don’t want to be a nutcase.
I don’t know how sad her life story really is. Regardless, hers ought to be a happy story. She’s powerful, successful, and wealthy and has every reason to understand what racism is, identify it, and reject it directly. That’s the opposite of what she did, I proved that, and you’re flailing because you’ve got nothing better to do with your time.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:36 amI see that EricPWJohnson is still filling his diapers for attention. And misrepresenting what DRJ wrote, which is par for the concern troll’s course.
My ONE DOLLAR offer for the archives of the concern troll listserv that EPWJ gets his concern troll talking points from is still open.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:57 amI agree that a standard for me should be the same for others
(I am an edumacted personhood)
One day I would welcome any intelligent, thoughtful, researched conversation from you
(I am just landed fron planet of nebular want to establishhh some kindof convershation wit…)
I’m not holding my breath, last I checked you were wanting me and my family to pay for bills
(i’m currently asphyxiating myself currently out of country right now not contactwith internhet who ami now?)
This gets funnier by the minute – reminds me of the old Bugs Bunny tune where he was hypnotized to be Elmer Fudd – “I am a millionnaire and I own a yacht!”
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/22/2010 @ 10:08 amShirley Sherrod says FOX News “would love to take us back to … where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person”
Not quite ready for sainthood and I’m certain there is much, much, much, much more where that came from.
GeneralMalaise (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:22 pmLadies and gentleman: happyfeet has left the building!
Icy Texan (4ca17c) — 7/22/2010 @ 10:03 pmno I haven’t you goofball I’m right here!
how are you I am fine I hope you are having a nice summer
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/22/2010 @ 10:28 pmShe’s not a racist
The Inferior Haiku (b54cdc) — 7/22/2010 @ 11:55 pmthat’s what’s so insane ’bout the
racism and stuff
Ya know, my ex-wife called me a goofball once . . . once.
Icy Texan (4ca17c) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:02 ama single goofball
The Inferior Haiku (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:07 ama Texan who may be cool
Sounds like Lance Armstrong
never dated Miss
kitchy kitchy ku (4ca17c) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:14 amSheryl Crow; circling Miss
Sandra’s ranch on Schwinn
Breitbart runs hiding
spineless journalistic hack
some saw this coming
“Me post video
leading to false conclusions.
Don’t blame it on me.”
It’s just like a turd
Chris Hooten (317da2) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:37 amyou mistakenly stepped in
saying your shoes smell
Hmmm. A turd talking?
That’s funny, but not for the reason the troll thinks.
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:43 amSo it is Breitbart’s fault that Shirley is a race-baiting prior racist?
JD (d168cb) — 7/23/2010 @ 6:24 amThere is a pattern of Breitbart going after middle-aged black women in relatively minor positions, in his most celebrated stories. Did he have a black nanny who spanked him when he was little?
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 6:29 amI have enjoyed reading these comments, DUSTIN arouses my admiration for his clarity, as a non U.S. citizen I was disgusted by Mrs Sherrod’s account of her encounter with the white farmer so long ago and the cries of agreement from the NAACP audience. If the account should be excused by the death of her father at the hands of the KKK then should we not also cite the money she has received from PIGFORD v. vILSACK and her husband’s involvement with SNICC?
Jeannie (23d5de) — 7/23/2010 @ 6:56 amShirley is not middle-aged bless her heart
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:35 amthere is a pattern of Breitbart going after middle-aged black women in relatively minor positions,
You should ask their superiors, rather than a person who had their phone turned on at the time.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:46 am“It is entirely fair to observe that Breitbart’s Monday report on Sherrod was journalistically shoddy. He misinterpreted a quote whose meaning was at best ambiguous. He should have sought out the full speech (the NAACP has posted it here), and he should have given Sherrod an opportunity to comment.
But the NAACP’s defense that it was “snookered” by Breitbart–and [David] Frum’s implication, in turn, that Breitbart is the only “villain” of the piece–is laughable. Are we to believe that Ben Jealous thought Breitbart was what Dan Rather, before his fall, claimed to be–an impartial and reliable purveyor of facts? In the unlikely event that the answer to that question is yes, doesn’t his failure to know better reflect a stunning incompetence?
No, you can’t cheat an honest man. Breitbart set a trap for the NAACP, and the NAACP walked right into it. He was able to do so because he correctly identified the organization’s moral weakness. Confronted by a video showing apparent racism at an NAACP function, its leaders appear to have panicked and made a snap decision to denounce one of their own so as to pre-empt the charge of employing a double standard.
It was a very effective bit of Alinskyite political theater, and in a way more so for Breitbart’s having gotten the story wrong. As it turned out, the NAACP condemned Shirley Sherrod based on a false, secondhand accusation of racism. Members of the Tea Party movement know just how she feels.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/best_of_the_web_today.html
GeneralMalaise (6d95fe) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:06 amShirley is not middle-aged bless her heart
Comment by happyfeet — 7/23/2010 @ 7:35 am
Well, how old is she?
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:56 amI don’t like being manipulated, whether by Republicans, Democrats, or Libertarians. And, as happyfeet said, when it hurts another human being.
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:59 amI’d say she’s 60 if she’s a day..
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:23 amthis says she was born in 48
happyfeet (71f55e) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:24 amNK
Please tell me you are joking about him going after middle aged black women.
Sigh.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:33 amI think I’m overreacting, A.W., that’s a fact. I just don’t like being steered. I hate cuddlyseat bureaucrats as much as the next guy but I want all the facts so I can make my own decision
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:05 amI guess what all of you don’t see is that most of this happened because they gave Breitbart more credibility than he deserved. This is the last time they will be burned by that a-hole.
Chris Hooten (685751) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:06 amthis says she was born in 48
Comment by happyfeet — 7/23/2010 @ 10:24 am
That would make her eight years older than I am. I have always liked older women. From the time I was in fifth grade and had a crush for Mrs. Blatt.
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:09 amNo, Hooten, that’s not at all what happened. Most of “this” happened because of White House incompetence.
Trying to blame Breitbart for the White House’s actions is just typical of the spinning you and your fellow trolls are up to.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:10 amNonsense. This all started because of Breitbart, and it all falls on his shoddy shoulders. You reap what you sow.
Chris Hooten (685751) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:13 amWow, the White House has no responsibility for its own actions, eh Hooten.
So you classify the White House as having the responsibility of children, rather than adults. You consider the President to be unable to perform the basic duties of his office in the face of a videotape being released on the Internet.
I guess I do agree with you after all.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:15 amSpeak for me, SPQR, speak for me. Make sh*t up, and then project it one me.
Chris Hooten (685751) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:20 ame = oops
Chris Hooten (685751) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:21 amI think the issue is deeper. We stopped trusting the old media because of their spin. Now, we find that we cannot trust some of the new media either.
nk (db4a41) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:25 amNk
Wanting all of the facts is fair enough. But we still don’t have all the facts. The NAACP is still editing the video.
That being said, it appears she began to discriminate against that farmer, and then stepped back and more or less fixed it. he couldn’t have sued her, because there was not much damage done.
But still, she is a racist. I don’t want her working for the government. I mean unless the edited words are “april fools! I made everything up!” or something to that effect, she is a racist.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:31 amI will add that none of this changes the original point of the story, which is that she talked about mistreating that farmer because he was white, and the listeners approved.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:33 amAs for trusting the new media, well, in truth you can’t trust anyone. But I don’t think Brietbart intentionally lied or misled us. But we should always “trust but verify.”
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:34 amTo be sure, this was already a big problem.
Just look at the way Media Matters reliably handles any story, or RedState’s handling of the Will Folks nutcase.
Trust but verify, as AW said, should be the default.
In this case, it works pretty well. You trust that this woman was saying some disturbing stuff and yet is a senior official, you verify that the context doesn’t save her (how the hell could it? It makes it somewhat better, but she’s still got a problem).
It’s bothering me that so many I thought were simply beyond racism are http://powip.com/obviously seeing this differently because of the races involved.
Let me explain:
Suppose a video came out showing Mitt Romney saying ‘I got into politics to help white people, and only whites’. To justify this, he points out some terrible things a few black men had done to his family 50 years ago, and how that leads him to treat all blacks differently than whites. He describes how he saw a black man who needed some help, consciously decided not to treat him to the help he would have given a white man, until many months later when the black man was desperately in need after months of anguish. Because God told him it’s also about helping some other factor.
And now, he’s taking credit for saving that black man, and he’s accusing many people of being racists with no evidence.
I do not believe that so many people would be calling Mitt Romney a hero. They certainly wouldn’t be saying that it’s wrong to condemn him, or that he deserves a promotion. It would be a disturbing and discovery with the potential to end his career.
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In my mind, there is no material difference between this and Sherrod. I’m sorry she had some terrible experience with a few white bigots, but that doesn’t justify her calling me racist or treating white people differently. And while I am glad she’s improved the way she treats white people, it’s completely legit to criticize her and expect her out of any senior roles unless she can admit that was discrimination and wrong.
Instead, people are straining to read something sweet that isn’t really in her speech, and condemning someone for showing an unedited example of her past problems. And she wants to sue over it.
The Inferior Haiku (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:52 amThe POWIP link is meaningless. I don;t know how it got there.
The Inferior Haiku (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:53 amShadow of a man
Chris Hooten (7df38d) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:04 pmtwisting the truth for own ends
should not have trusted
LOL, good response to my sockpuppet fail, Chris.
Please tell me, what’s your reaction to the Mitt Romney example? If it’s ‘not the same’ to you as the Sherrod example, that’s one thing, but let me know, would you think Mitt deserves criticism for that?
Isn’t it the case, ordinarily, that even admitted racism that has some kind of confession context is embarrassing and shouldn’t be cheered? I saw some on the left claim the applause was edited in, but it’s in the NAACP’s edited video, too.
The Inferior Haiku (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:11 pm“I guess what all of you don’t see is that most of this happened because they gave Breitbart more credibility than he deserved. This is the last time they will be burned by that a-hole.
Comment by Chris Hooten — 7/23/2010 @ 11:06 am”
Don’t think this is going to happen, no matter how much you want it, Chris. You can still fool some of the people some of the time. I think Andrew accomplished exactly what he set out to do, which was show the NAACP were the racists, not the tea party that they accused. Only my opinion.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:28 pmIs no one as amused by the very clear psychological projection shown by Mr. Hooten here? Just think of every accusation he makes so angrily (note how quickly he gets nasty—and remember his early protestations of “bad tone” here, despite his own history of nastiness?), and then look at his own history of posts.
The man doesn’t own a mirror.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:31 pmHooten
Not every mistaken statement is a lie. As Sherrod’s lawyer is probably telling her now, its not enough to prove he was wrong, but you have to show either he knew it wasn’t true or had reckless disregard for the truth.
Plus then she would open herself up to discovery. That means breitbart gets to poke around in her life and see if any skeletons fall out. We are getting the picture about this woman and I don’t think it’s a winning strategy to expose herself that way.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 12:34 pmHere is my haiku for the day : chrishooten is a paste-eating assbooger that would not know an honest point if it crawled out his weinerhole. Oh, and he approves of the racisms. That is all.
JD (cdfbfb) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:24 pmThis is s.o.p. Hooten will ALWAYS blame Breitbart for Vilsack’s actions . . . ALWAYS. In the philosophy of collectivism it does not matter who is really at fault; in the world of “all for one” personal responsibility simply does not compute.
Icy Texan (81232c) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:28 pmIf Breitbart had said that Sherrod was so racist she wanted to enslave all white people, I think Hooten would say he’s way out of line.
But Sherrod said this about Breitbart.
There’s a very unfortunate double standard that I think is pretty insulting to blacks.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:35 pmHere is my Haiku:
Sherrod says white man
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:40 pmNot her kind, Fox wants Jim Crow
Nothing to see here
You mean, like her helping poor people? Like her husband having a monument erected for his Civil Rights work in Athens, Ga? Her job leading the Pigford plaintiffs toward collecting the money they deserve?
Or do you mean, we’re assaulting a woman cause poor Andy’s feelings got hurt and we’ll destroy anyone we have to?
Seemingly every conservative in the world, save Hannity and poor Andrew himself, has smartly run away from this debacle, but not the Patterico folks! No way. Sure Krauthammer and Beck and Rich Lowry and Ann Coulter and even (my god I couldn’t believe it myself) Jonah Goldberg have decided this was a mistake (with differing levels of culpability for the smear-meister himself). Coulter called the speech “amazing” and “beautiful.” But, here, the original smear still stands. Here, an organization dedicated to stamping out racism is called racist by a group of tribalists who keep forgetting Mark Williams was in the Tea Party, not the NAACP.
You guys keep it up. The ugliness and vitriol and refusal to adhere to basic facts all in the service of an imagined, continuing, and zero sum battle with “others” was cool on Lost, but sort of yucky in “public life” and all you’re doing is showing what you are.
Oh, and Aaron Worthing, Shirley would have much more fun parading through Breitbart’s drunken madhouse of an operation than he would going through a Civil Rights icon’s past.
timb (449046) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:47 pmI think I am breaking the haiku rules, a little, but:
She says Brietbart wants
slavery back. Shirley, you
can’t be serious?
Source: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/07/shirley-sherrod-beneath-the-headlines.html
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:51 pmtimb,
Sherrod is not a civil rights icon.
She’s just a person who struggles with intense racism. It’s something we feel sympathy for her over, but she’s seeing everything in terms of race and it’s indefensible.
Breitbart got something out of context that does show some racism… his accusations were partly wrong, and that’s not OK. But they were based on reality and no one has shown any malice on his part aside from the ‘I’m sure it’s there!!!’
Sherrod is making up severe accusations of racism with no evidence at all. Against millions of people and specific people. Her speech has that, her comments recently have it.
Why do you have a lower standard for Sherrod? Because someone built a statue of her husband (that’s a reason you just cited)?!?
People keep telling me this isn’t an issue anyone should care about. I disagree: we have too many senior officials who play the Sherrod race hustle and pretend they are civil rights icons because they do it for social warfare and democrats.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:53 pmTimmy, let’s run this down.
She says white people are not her kind.
She says Fox news wants us to go back to segregation.
She says Brietbart wants us to go back to slavery.
Oh, and she got a $300 payday for pain and suffering.
Yeah, she is a real saint, that woman.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:53 pmBy the way, yes, my last haiku had a riff on “Airplane!”
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:55 pmtimb, the ugliness and vitriol is all coming from you and your ilk. You and your ilk call Tea Party people racist, you send out union goons to rough up people protesting against your policies, you threaten violence.
You simply lie about it.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:58 pmFrom a purely cynical POV, in the long run, it’s probably to the race hustler’s great detriment that Shirley Sherrod is going to be lionized as a civil rights icon, with statues and movies and books and speeches.
She clearly has no filter to contain the way she sees conservatives as uniformly racist. Other than the truly partisan, to know her is to be disgusted with her race baiting.
I want less of that, but on the bright side, she’s a tremendous liability for the Obama administration no matter how sympathetic or disgusted you are with her. How did they get themselves into this pickle? They are on both sides of firing her and accepting her, damning her and praising her. LOL.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 2:02 pmSPQR
Its amazing. A bunch of union idiots can rough up a handicapped black dude, and the liberals don’t see any racial issue there.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 2:04 pmEh typo. The payday I mentioned above was $300K, not just $300. Slight difference.
So she got $300K from the government as a payday. Any lawyer with any experience knows that is almost certainly crooked. Like in Maryland, not matter how badly you are hurt, in medical malpractice the maximum payout for non-economic damages? $500K. That’s how out of whack it is.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/23/2010 @ 2:12 pmtimmah! timmah! timmah!
Comment by timb — 7/23/2010 @ 1:47 pm
You mean, like her helping poor people?
— No. We mean, like her SELECTIVELY helping poor people.
Like her husband having a monument erected for his Civil Rights work in Athens, Ga?
— Proving conclusively that he was a saint; and that, by assocation (or “by marriage”, or “by God!”) so is she.
Her job leading the Pigford plaintiffs toward collecting the money they deserve?
— IF they truly deserved it, it means two things: 1) It could be seen as the high point of her career; 2) It could also be seen as a failing report card on her ability to help get poor black folk a farm loan, back in the day.
Or do you mean, we’re assaulting a woman cause poor Andy’s feelings got hurt and we’ll destroy anyone we have to?
— I, for one, have no personal loyalty to Breitbart. I’m just a seeker of TRUTH in this matter. How about you, timmah? Do you wish to seek out the truth? or are you just looking for an excuse to trash “the other side”?
Seemingly every conservative in the world, save Hannity and poor Andrew himself, has smartly run away from this debacle, but not the Patterico folks!
— Yep. It’s only us. Today only, we are NOT the tools and puppets of the popular conservative pundits. I guess we just don’t know how to MoveOn.
[Laundry list of our conservative betters that “disagree” with “us” deleted]
Here, an organization dedicated to stamping out racism is called racist by a group of tribalists who keep forgetting Mark Williams was in the Tea Party, not the NAACP.
— The NAACP is dedicated to stamping out racism? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ho-ho-hee-hee-ha-ha-ha!!!!!
You guys keep it up. The ugliness and vitriol and refusal to adhere to basic facts all in the service of an imagined, continuing, and zero sum battle with “others” was cool on Lost, but sort of yucky in “public life” and all you’re doing is showing what you are.
Icy Texan (81232c) — 7/23/2010 @ 2:43 pm— Your post could’ve been a lot shorter if you had just channeled JD, called us all “racists”, and been done with it (and us).
Do you guys actually believe this crap? Everytime Breitbart “mistakenly” posts a misleading video are you going to continue to claim that he is trustworthy, and this was just a slip-up? Come on! Don’t be ridiculous. Do you really want to be the last one in the room, clinging to any hope of Brietbart ever being honorable? It’s your loss.
Chris Hooten (d45282) — 7/23/2010 @ 3:44 pmChris Hooten, you misrepresent just how “misleading” the video was, and you still haven’t bothered to address the intentionally, fraudulently constructed Think Progress video and the NAACP’s own overtly false claim of “racism”.
These are all operations less “trustworthy” than Breitbart based on what they got caught doing.
The reality, Hooten, is that no one is convinced that you believe your own crap.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 3:47 pmOxymoronic
Chris Hooten (d26948) — 7/23/2010 @ 3:52 pmtrusting the untrustworthy
but do as you wish.
You’re actually going to fight with me about whether it was misleading or not? Give me a break. Why don’t you fight with the thousands upon thousands of conservatives that have condemned this. I’m not wasting my time or breath.
Chris Hooten (d26948) — 7/23/2010 @ 3:56 pmYou are not “wasting your breath” because you don’t actually have an argument, Chris. You start by misrepresenting what Breitbart said about the video in the first place, you ignore what the NAACP themselves said about it, and you run as fast as you can away from actually forming an argument.
In other words, just another day in the life of the Chris Hooten troll.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:00 pmThe fact that many thousands more settlements were issued than victims existed shows this is simply not the truth.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:09 pmEverytime Breitbart “mistakenly” posts a misleading video are you going to continue to claim that he is trustworthy
He has yet to post a misleading video. This video suggested that Sherrod is a racist. And Sherrods words over the last few days have confirmed that impression.
Subotai (fadb4b) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:16 pmYou have to be kidding me! Good luck in fantasyland!
Chris Hooten (d26948) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:20 pmUm. So why are you still here, Mr. Hooten? I mean, it’s not like you are a dishonest troll playing games, right? You believe your way, others believe theirs. Why do you continually try to argue here, if folks are…well, just not as smart as you are?
But my guess is that you will continue to post.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:27 pm“You have to be kidding me!” is not an argument Hooten.
The bottom line is that the remainder of the video makes Sherrod look less racist than she does at the beginning. But Breitbart’s commentary around the video he released was that the NAACP audience reaction showed racism at an NAACP event. The NAACP themselves stated that the audience reaction was “disturbing” – and that reaction requires no later video to explain.
So indeed, Hooten, Breitbart’s video – while not the strong indictment of Sherrod herself that it first appeared – was indeed exactly what Breitbart claimed for it and he did not misrepresent it.
That you can’t understand these rather simply concepts, indeed that your explicitly refuse to even address them, shows who actually trying to mislead. You.
Just as the NAACP is dishonest about the Tea Party.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:27 pmWell, Eric, the IQ deficit is not among Hooten’s opponents …
No one will ever say that Hooten punches above his weight.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:31 pmI won’t dispute whether the pigsford farmers deserved their payouts, or not, but $300k for her and hubby’s “pain and suffering” is crooked. It reeks of kickbacks and/or a payoff.
Oh, and she is a racist.
A.W. (e9fcd5) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:48 pmHaiku # dos – chrishooten approves of lying and racisms because he is a mendoucheous twatwaffle.
Haiku #3 – creepy stalkerish lying people never fail to be so.
JD (6ca166) — 7/23/2010 @ 4:49 pmStalkerish???!!! You can call me childish names but this one was a little weird. Also, the haiku we have been doing goes 5 syllables line 1, 7 syllables line 2, 5 syllables line 3. I’m not quite sure what that was you did there. (and where the hell is Haiku uno?) Oh, and SPQR: Meh. Your English is more insulting than your insults.
Chris Hooten (7fc3d0) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:02 pmHaiku Uno sounds like a boring game. Not as boring as worrying about yet another stupid bigot and her excuses.
Roger Simon has a nice article at PJM about how there arr better issues out there than ackowledging yet again then condemning the obviously wrong attitudes of Sherrod.
As for Breitbart, it’s just plum weird to claim he’s completely ruined. Every media outlet I’m aware of makes corrections and gets details wrongs and draws the wrong conclusions sometimes when they have limited evidence. Does the BigGovernment.com reader know as true a story about Sherrod as Breitbart? of course.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:14 pmMr Hooten continues his trollishness. Again, why post, since he is apparently a brilliant poet as well as pundit? We just don’t appreciate his genius!
Eric Blair (e5766c) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:40 pmOh, and SPQR: Meh. Your English is more insulting than your insults.
A lightweight not even punching at his weight.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 5:50 pmHaiku wahid went a little like this – chrishooten is a puss filled paste-eating arsebooger that would not know honesty if it craled out its weinerhole and gave him a mushroom bruise.
JD (52faf8) — 7/23/2010 @ 6:13 pmSPQR: Thank you for making my point
Chris Hooten (978e8c) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:00 pmJD: Having playground flashbacks or something?
I have something to add.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:02 pmnevermind it passed
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:02 pmChris Hooten, believe me … everyone reading this thread is of the opinion that you made my points.
Not vice versa.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:15 pm“As it turned out, the NAACP condemned Shirley Sherrod based on a false, secondhand accusation of racism.”–WSJ
Except the accusation isn’t false. She’s a racist by definition (or at least she engaged in a racist act, which is presumambly enough to justify calling someone a racist).
But, then again that’s also true of the NAACP, an organization that is entirely racist in it’s purpose, which is why it’s so absurd for them to be pointing the finger at the Tea Parties and cry “racist” (and, of course, it’s also absurd for them to condemn Sherrod, when all the NAACP ever does is help people based on their race…but, then again, when have lefties ever done anything that made any kind of sense?).
Anyway…
I’ll tell you what is false and phony though. The baloney about her searching her soul and realizing that she had to help the white guy, because poor people are poor people, white or black. That’s a bunch of hogwash.
The truth is that the organization she worked for had been taking federal dollars ever since it was organized in the 1960s, and because they take federal dollars, they’re REQUIRED, by law, not to discriminate on the basis of race, when it comes to dispensing their services, per Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
If they had refused to assist the white farmer, they could have had their federal funding cut off and been subject to a civil suit by the DOJ.
From Title VI…
“Sec. 2000d. Prohibition against exclusion from participation in, denial of benefits of, and discrimination under federally assisted programs on ground of race, color, or national origin”
“No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance”
She had a little change of heart on the issue of helping white farmers out all right…but, it isn’t because she’s a noble soul who rose above her rather obvious bigotry, it’s because the law required the Federation of Southern Cooperatives Land Assistance Fund to help people…even if they’re white…and you can bet your bottom dollar that that’s what her group’s legal advisors told them when they asked what they ought to do about a white farmer coming to them and asking for assistance.
Maybe there is some law out there that lets black organizations take federal money and then refuse to help people on the basis of their race (wouldn’t surprise me, since the government is usually controlled by racist Democrats)…but if there is, I’ve never heard of it, and I’m pretty sure the real reason good old Shirl helped one of “their kind” is because she had to.
Dave Surls (f3f937) — 7/23/2010 @ 7:20 pmThat must be some delicious kool-aid, because everyone seems to be drinking it around here.
Chris Hooten (df4199) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:21 pmsuper fruity incrediberry!!
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:23 pmhooten and the blow
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:39 pmfish haikus suck big time gee
good to be back home
“Or do you mean, we’re assaulting a woman…”
Nobody’s assaulting her. Some of just don’t want her to have a government job. We’re not too keen on the idea of paying someone a salary, who obviously hates our guts on several levels, and who basically shares none of our values.
We have enough utterly partisan, racist, left wing hacks in Congress. We don’t need to pack the bureacracy with more of them. What we want in there are competent people, who aren’t racists, who WANT to serve EVERYONE, and don’t have a political axe to grind. NAACP members, KKK members, rabid left wing Democrats and the like need need not apply.
Also, we kind of question the wisdom of employing someone who sues the federal government as a sideline to her ordinary work (which is helping people…as long as they’re people of the right race). You see, Timmy, it’s really not a good idea, economically speaking, to give jobs to people who want to sue you. Trust me, this doesn’t pay off in the long run.
That’s all, Timmy. No assault. Just keeping someone who shouldn’t have a government job, or ever be given any kind of power over other people, out of a place where they manifestly don’t belong.
But, feel free to engage in a lot of blithering left wing hyperbole…since, that’s pretty much all you and your leftoid compatriots are good at.
Dave Surls (f3f937) — 7/23/2010 @ 9:37 pmLook, I am sorry that Breitbart pulled out the ladder and took a dump on all of your chests after you all repeatedly trusted him on his word, but there is a time to give up on the demonization of Sherrod. Clearly Breitbart was anything but fair with her. There is no evidence of any of the things that Dave Surls, for example, keep claiming. The wife of the white farmer in the story (THE ACTUAL WHITE FARMER IN THE STORY – Mr Spooner) thinks that these claims of racism are ridiculous, and thinks what Breitbart did was horrible and that it did not reflect what Sherrod was like at all. I predict that we will see the explosive, crazy Breitbart in 2 or 3 days, after he stays up nights on end knocking back chivas, and sticking his face in a big pile of blow trying to forget how he just flushed his credibility down the mainstream media toilet. Who knows, though.
Chris Hooten (df4199) — 7/23/2010 @ 9:54 pmBTW Sherrod worked for a nonprofit at the time of the video, not the federal government.
Chris Hooten (df4199) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:01 pmShirley Sherrod is now making baseless and ridiculous charges that Andrew Brietbart favors slavery for blacks. Far from being a saint, she is an irresponsible race-baiter.
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:17 pmafter awhile you lose track of who is “getting a taste of their own medicine” I think
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:27 pmShe said “put [blacks] back in the time of slavery.” She was saying he never got past black vs white (something he accused her of) and he was a racist. That is what Anderson Cooper took her to mean, and that is what she reaffirmed. Listen to the CNN clip again.
Chris Hooten (df4199) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:35 pmYou need to watch the entire Sherrod video, Hooten, for starters. Breitbart didn’t fire Sherrod. Obama fired Sherrod and since the buck never stops there, he put the onus on Vilsack. And the NAACP threw her under the bus because that’s just the kind of folks they are. Snookered or bamboozled, my ass.
Wake up and smell the cat food, Sparky.
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:40 pmObama didn’t fire Sherrod. No, not true. The NAACP retracted their original statement, and released the entire tape to exonerate her. They made the same mistake everyone else did, they trusted Breitbart. That won’t happen again (thank god).
Chris Hooten (df4199) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:48 pmThat won’t happen again (thank god).
Since they often trust the New York Times, Washington Post, CBS News, CNN and all the other mouthpieces of the “we’re-not-biased!!” leftwing, they’re gullibility and foolishness are firmly set in concrete.
Mark (411533) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:00 pmMark, no, those outlets don’t normally trade in lies and distortions, that’s why they trust them… You can choose to get your information from whoever you want. But when you choose to get your info from a liar, you have no idea what is going on, because you are believing the liar who will lie and say everyone else is lying. Eventually, though, you have to come to grips with the fact that the person is lying, and lying, and lying, and lying. Or everyone else is a left-wing nutcase hell-bent on destroying Breitbart. That second choice reeks of extreme paranoia, though. People are only mad at him because he attempted to destroy a woman’s credibility through the fraudulent means of a speech snippet taken out of context to make it appear misleading. Either sink with the ship, or swim to shore. The choice is yours.
Chris Hooten (5417cd) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:23 pm^ Your comments deserve the following salute:
Mark (411533) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:35 pmBTW, the ringleader in that debacle, Dan Rather, really was never terminated by CBS News, as he should have been. Instead, he was allowed to kind of rattle around and then flutter away.
“The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he — he took a long time talking, but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing. But he had come to me for help. What he didn’t know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me, was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him.”
Yeah, Chrissy, there is no evidence whatsoever, that your new little pet practices racial discrimination in her spare time.
“I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So, I didn’t give him the full force of what I could do.”
Nope. No evidence at all.
“When I made that commitment (at age 17 years old to remain in Georgia and help people), I was making that commitment to black people, and to black people only,”
Racist? Get serious. There isn’t a racist bone in dear lil’ Shirl’s body.
You’re absolutely right, Chrissy. I take it all back.
Ain’t no way old Shirl is a racist.
And, I’m absolutely confident that if a nice right wing white boy like me, walked into Shirl’s government office, I’d get treated just like anyone else.
Not.
Dave Surls (875a62) — 7/23/2010 @ 11:56 pmYou know, I never have seen a full record of his service, or some eyewitness account that disputes what was alleged in the story. I would have thought someone would have come forward to reiterate his exemplary service, and to attest to his attendance, but nope, not too many. The claim that the documents used were frauds, because typewriters at the time didn’t have sub and superscript is inaccurate and flawed itself. Even if I was to believe this was some sort of intentional deception, which it clearly wasn’t, that would be one single story in a long career of both the show, and Rather himself. This is very different than Breitbart, who appears to have intentionally misled repeatedly, with little or no career of actual reporting and journalism, just one of manufacturing gotcha moments by deceptively editing videos.
Chris Hooten (77f75c) — 7/24/2010 @ 12:00 amSurls, you are pulling the same crap Breitbart did by taking the statements out of context, and trying to frame them with a different meaning than was obviously intended. It’s no surprise that the crowd nodded in understanding when she spoke of the white farmer who was showing how superior he was to her. (“yup, I’ve felt that too…”) She was speaking to the NAACP, after all. She was sending a powerful message of racial unity by telling one of the enlightening moments in her life when she intellectually grew and realized it wasn’t about helping black people, who certainly needed help, but it was about helping ANYONE that needed help. This from a women whose husband was killed by racist whites. Naturally this would incline her to help mostly blacks. She was talking about the turning point in her life when she outgrew that mode of thinking. Using that as an example of her being a racist is ludicrous.
Chris Hooten (e5afa0) — 7/24/2010 @ 12:16 amThe claim that the documents used were frauds, because typewriters at the time didn’t have sub and superscript is inaccurate and flawed itself.
LOL!
Regarding the question of: Is the left-leaning brain greatly detached from reality?
Case closed.
Just remember, Chris, that the liberal biases swirling around in that mind of yours generally rob you of whatever common sense you might otherwise possess. So do not trust your perceptions. Do not trust your biases.
However, your left-leaning sentiments perhaps do make you a more humane and compassionate human being.
Oops!
Well, maybe not. (And another LOL at how truly deficient the “progressive” mindset really is.)
Mark (411533) — 7/24/2010 @ 12:34 am
And yet now we have Shirley Sherrod herself behaving badly and making false accusations as she claims Breitbart would like “to get us [“all black people”] stuck back in the times of slavery.”
So, exactly who owes who an apology?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 7/24/2010 @ 12:38 amBreitbart owes Shirley an apology for his lies and his general mean-spirited callousness.
Andrew wanted to climb into precisely this racial sandbox and play play play and Shirley already knows how.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:07 am“Surls, you are pulling the same crap Breitbart…”
Yeah, it’s called telling the truth, Hooten.
Not something you would be familiar with.
The only thing Breitbart did was put up a video and say: wanna see some racism?…there ya go.
And, by golly, there it is.
In the same place it’s always been, the Democrat Party and the groups associated with the Democrats.
Same old shit, different day.
Dave Surls (875a62) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:34 am282. She said “put [blacks] back in the time of slavery.” She was saying he never got past black vs white (something he accused her of) and he was a racist. That is what Anderson Cooper took her to mean, and that is what she reaffirmed. Listen to the CNN clip again.
Comment by Chris Hooten — 7/23/2010 @ 10:35 pm
— So the question is: Are you okay with this? and if so, Why?
Icy Texan (6df7c5) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:45 amThey made the same mistake everyone else did, they trusted Breitbart.
leftwing herd afraid
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 7:56 amrace chickens come home to roost
God bless America
Breitbart not issue
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:19 amwhite house afraid it lose
all white America
due to perception
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:21 amthat it holds bias against
all white America
in rush to judgment
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:27 amwhite house stands naked and shows
true incompetence
Breitbart wants to hide
“I’m shouldn’t be the issue.”
who started this sh*t
Crazy Breitbart man
soon to rear his ugly head
in just a few days
Go get the popcorn
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:35 amshould be a hell of a show
countdown to madman
ColonelHaiku, shouldn’t that be
[In Rush’s judgement]
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:39 am“white house stands naked and shows
true incompetence”
white house in panic
GeneralMalaise (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 8:47 amknow perception they see all
thru racial prism
Chris Hooter
Look, no amount of trolling will erase the facts.
1) Brietbart correctly stated that she discriminated against that white farmer, and 2) the NAACP audience approved.
3) Brietbart correctly stated she is a racist, and 4) the NAACP audience approved.
4) Brietbart didn’t have the rest of the video where she when back and corrected her mistake. But that doesn’t change the fact she 1) made that mistake and 2) the NAACP audience approved.
5) Brietbart suggested she was working for the USDA at the time. She was not. But under 503(c) of the tax code, she was obligated not to engage in discrimination—or risk her organization’s tax-exempt status. So regardless of whether she worked for the government or not, she was obligated to treat this man equally.
6) she obtained a massive settlement on behalf of black farmers alleging discrimination in getting federal loans. As head of the organization she and her husband claimed 300K of pain and suffering. Experienced lawyers know that this is a very high payout for very dubious damages—in other words, the $300K reeks of pay off. She got that payout, and then within weeks was working for the very man who gave her that payout. Maybe you want to claim you are so naïve not to smell something wrong there, but I know that stinks to high heaven.
Now that doesn’t bear on the accuracy of Brietbart’s original account, but let’s not be too quick to build a statue to her yet.
7) she has claimed Fox news wants to return us back to the Jim Crow days.
8) she has claimed that Brietbart wants us to return black people back to slavery.
9) in her original speech she asserted without evidence that the Tea Party was racist.
10) the NAACP has edited out an unknown portion of the speech from its allegedly “full” video.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:05 amYeah, Aaron, Breitbart is just going to breeze in here and clear this all up. This is all just a big misunderstanding, lol. It’s always been about Sherrod, right. Err wait, it was about the NAACP. No, wait, it was about the White House, that’s what it was all about. No wait, it actually was about Sherrod all along. Err…
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:13 amColonel lose count ran
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:13 amout of fingers and toes now
dog give funny look
But it definitely wasn’t about Breitbart, no siree!
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:15 amhooten confusion
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:15 amreflects on hooten not on
critical thinkers
Crissyhooten is all butthurt because the leftist racial grievance pimps have been exposed. First ackerdouchenozzle’s asshattery, then this.
JD (3bb21a) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:23 amConfusional illusions
from cranial contusions
blame Hoot allusions
But it’s not my fault
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:32 amyou’ve got a bump on your head
and crazy ideas
hooten not notice
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:32 amloud noise swoop over his head
that sound was “The Truth”
hooten good for push
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:36 amboundary of meaning of
word “execrable”
hooten all Little
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 9:40 amRichard with “Truth” come knockin’
but it cant come in
Wish I had a dog
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:26 amto give me a funny look
when I can’t keep count
JD so mature
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:31 amwow very impressive, man
still wet the bed much?
It’s really nice to see that Mr. Hooten isn’t a troll, isn’t it?
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:33 am‘It’s no surprise that the crowd nodded in understanding when she spoke of the white farmer who was showing how superior he was to her. (”yup, I’ve felt that too…”)’
Yeah, I’ve heard the same crap Sherrod was spewing about a million times, except it used to be white racists talking about uppity blacks who didn’t know their place.
But, it’s the same tune whether it’s sung by a white racist or a black one.
“Man, can you believe those nigras, trying to act like they better than us?” And, all the other racists nod sagely in agreement.
Yeah, I’ve heard that one before, seen it before. Nothing new under the sun.
And, then, of course, when you look at the people who are accused of acting “uppity” and “superior”, there isn’t any evidence you can see at all.
Do the Spooners look like they’re acting superior to you guys?
Sure, doesn’t look like it to me. It looks to me like they’re falling all over themselves expressing nothing but humility and gratitude for someone who gave them help. They’re so grateful, and such decent people that they can’t bring themselves to believe that Sherrod COULD do anything bad. If there’s an uppity bone in their bodies, they’re doing a pretty good job of hiding it.
And, how likely is it that someone who is about to lose the farm, and is desperate for help, is going to walk into someone’s office and start acting like the person they’re asking for help is inferior? Not too likely.
Frankly, I think Sherrod’s tale of how she righteously overlooked the uppity attitude of a white guy and helped him out of the goodness of her heart is a total self-serving fabrication.
You’ve all seen her on display on the networks the last few days. Does she look like a forgiving sort of person to you? Somebody that would overlook a slight?
No, I don’t think that’s the sort of person she is. Cross her in any way and she’ll never forgive and never forget.
So, sorry, Chrissy, I’m not buying her story about the uppity white man, and about how she overlooked his uppityness and helped him anyway out of the goodness of her heart. I’ve heard the “uppity” line of bullshit too many times in my life to fall for it.
Dave Surls (3281d5) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:33 amMr. Colonel Haiku
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:34 amnot so big of an IQ
but I still like you
here come the riddle
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:35 amhere come a clue hooten just
think the opposite… of what you do
trolls try to take control of all of the threads, and reduce discourse to sheer chaos. I am clearly not doing that. Now go away and let ColonelHaiku and me have our haiku-off. This thread is spent, anyways. Breitbart’s a douchebag, the whole country knows it, and we can all move along now…
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:39 amat some point hooten
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:44 ameven clown realizes
the joke is on him
be happy hooten
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:46 amself discovery can be
a beautiful thing
Chris, you’re trying to take control of this thread. The topic of this thread is that, whether you think Sherrod is the bigot race baiting crook or the sweet innocent victim, the White House is on both sides of oppressing and praising her.
the oppressed her with incomplete information, going so far as to condemn her very publicly and fire her instantly (so much worse than drawing the obvious conclusions Breitbart did, that the NAACP and Sherrod have a huge problem with race, and updating as the context shows she’s only a racist sometimes instead)
Then, they praise her as she makes accusations of racism that are insane and disgustingly corrosive to our society. If Breitbart said that Obama wanted to enslave all white people, you would probably have more of a problem than you have with Sherrod saying the same thing.
There is a thread about Breitbart’s behavior for you. You don’t want to go there because you want to change the topic of threads like this, threads about how terrible Obama is at leadership, to a thread about defending Breitbart from endless accusations.
Leave Breitbart out of it: even if he’s every inch the monster you claim he is, Sherrod’s a bigot, she’s a race baiter, and the white House was wrong to fire her without an investigation and wrong to praise her now.
The problem is simple: the white house lacks leadership so it resorts to playing short term politics with every stupid little thing. They look rudderless and irrational because that’s what they are.
Your defense is to take control of this thread, accuse Breitbart of being ‘a douchebag’ and claim that’s enough to ‘move along now’. Nope. Obama’s still incompetent and Sherrod and the NAACP are way too worried about the color of people’s skin.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:47 amdustin writes “The Truth”
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:51 amhooten hoot and hoots some more
God laughs up his sleeve
“Look, I am sorry
that Breitbart pulled out the ladder and took a dump on all of your chests after you all repeatedly trusted him on his word, but there is a time to give up on the demonization of Sherrod. Clearly Breitbart was anything but fair with her. There is no evidence of any of the things that Dave Surls, for example, keep claiming. The wife of the white farmer in the story (THE ACTUAL WHITE FARMER IN THE STORY – Mr Spooner) thinks that these claims of racism are ridiculous, and thinks what Breitbart did was horrible and that it did not reflect what Sherrod was like at all. I predict that we will see the explosive, crazy Breitbart in 2 or 3 days, after he stays up nights on end knocking back chivas, and sticking his face in a big pile of blow trying to forget how he just flushed his credibility down the mainstream media toilet. Who knows, though.”Comment by Chris Hooten — 7/23/2010 @ 9:54 pm
There… Colonel fix at no charge. Most welcome, hooten.
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 10:57 amLook, I don’t want to control YOUR blog. I don’t want to be a dick, but I care about this issue. There is no room in journalism for this kind of evil, shoddy crap.
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 11:03 am“Sherrod worked for a nonprofit at the time of the video, not the federal government.”
BTW, Chrissy, like everything else that comes out of the mouths of lefties, that is incorrect.
She worked for the USDA at the time of the video.
But, don’t let the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about stop you from holding forth.
“USDA hired Sherrod as its Georgia director of rural development in August 2009.”–CNN
“Address at the NAACP 20th Annual Freedom Fund Banquet…delivered 27 March 2010”
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/shirleysherrodnaacpfreedom.htm
Dave Surls (3281d5) — 7/24/2010 @ 11:14 am“This from a women whose husband was killed by racist whites.”–Hooten
Great point, Hooten. Too bad her husband is still alive.
But, that’s lefties for you. If the facts don’t fit their fairy tale…they just make up facts that do.
Dave Surls (3281d5) — 7/24/2010 @ 11:25 amI meant the time she was describing in the video. Who cares where she worked when the video was made?
Chris Hooten (3a05e5) — 7/24/2010 @ 11:27 amhooten confused
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 11:35 amtries on nuance/context dress
now Paris Hooten
So, when JournoList was shaping a narrative, Hooten was outraged, and left hundreds of comments? When thinkprogress was planting people, similar reaction? When Rather and Mapes made sh#t up, oops, we already know he approved. When Ackerman described a strategy of simply calling people racist to deflect attention, much outrage from hootie? See, hootie, your problem is that you are transparently and aggressively dishonest.
JD (d9926c) — 7/24/2010 @ 12:30 pm#328
Yeah, you keep working on it, Chris. If you and the rest of the lefties keep talking, and talking, sooner or later you’re bound to say something that’s actually true…or so say the laws of chance.
Dave Surls (3281d5) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:15 pmhootie like hundred
Peek-a-haiku (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:38 pmchimps with typewriters; lots of
feces on pages
hooten new species
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:45 pmlight loafered banded pooflinger
Darwin challenged
325, Dave Surls, good call. A husband is not a father. My mistake. Her father was the one killed.
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:55 pmColonel cross-dresser
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 1:56 pmkeeps trying to impress but
he has the wrong purse
Lying dissembling little weinerhole you are, hootie. Notice how he evades inconvenient facts that don’t go along with Teh Narrative?
JD (0f2d60) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:01 pmDave Surls said he wants
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:02 pmto be part of a haiku
so I guess I will
JD, if anything, I am a big weinerhole by the way everyone reacts around here. (kidding, relax)
JD why hate me
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:08 pmfor being a weinerhole
when you are one too?
be careful hooten
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:14 pmSun’s rays will overheat blood
crawl back under rock
298. in rush to judgment
white house stands naked and shows
true incompetence
Comment by ColonelHaiku — 7/24/2010 @ 8:27 am
— And on that note, heeeeerrreee’s Obami!!!:
He said he ordered “my team” to make sure “that we’re focusing on doing the right thing instead of what looks to be politically necessary at that very moment.”
— That’s right, Hooten. He admitted that she was fired because it seemed to be (and in fact was deemed to be) the “politically necessary” thing to do . . . NOT necessarily because they thought she had violated a specific rule of conduct.
Vilsack “jumped the gun,” Obama said, “partly because we now live in this media culture where something goes up on YouTube or a blog and everybody scrambles.”
— Translation: “We panicked”. He has all of those staff members, all of those trusted advisors, and this was the best they could do? Oh, but I forgot: that evil mastermind, Count Breitbart, hypnotized ALL of them!
It’s time for everyone to take a deep breath, the president said, “to take our time and think these issues through.”
Peek-a-haiku (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:18 pm— Well, thank God for that! Now that he’s been in office for a year and nine months, NOW he’s finally going to start thinking things through.
Not amphibian
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:20 pmunlike Breitbart and his pals
blood no overheat
Whoops! Forgot to change name back on #338
Icy Texan (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:25 pmreptile prob better
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:26 pmbut enough syllables
so use amphibian
shoddy haiku-manship. “…not enough…”
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:27 pmdelete word “haiku”
R.I.P. Robert 'KuKuKu' Byrd (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:36 pmfrom above ^^^; that what hooker
say to shrimp wiener
Hooten discover
Idenouncemyownkuself (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:43 pmself every night; Pelosi’s
face splattered on-screen
Eww.
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:54 pmWas going to use a liberal hottie.
Do you know of any?
Icy Texan (b3e65b) — 7/24/2010 @ 3:06 pmI guess you would know, RIP…
Chris Hooten (20d1c6) — 7/24/2010 @ 3:12 pmWas going to use a liberal hottie.
Do you know of any?
hooten use albright
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 3:42 pmand when that dont work he use
the helenthomas
Hooten approves of leftist racisms. He/she/it approves of Ackerman falsely accusing people of racism. He approves of Journolist shaping the narrative. He approves of rather/mapes just making things up. He approves of thingregress dishonestly plating people. But this is the worst thing EVAH!!!!
JD (178747) — 7/24/2010 @ 3:52 pmhooten dont give a
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/24/2010 @ 4:22 pmhoot about honesty or
fair play truth be told
Notice that Chris Hooten completely ignored that he was corrected on his false assertions about Breitbart and just continues making them.
And then denies being a troll.
0 for 2.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/24/2010 @ 6:57 pmChrissy Hooters
> Yeah, Aaron, Breitbart is just going to breeze in here and clear this all up. This is all just a big misunderstanding, lol. It’s always been about Sherrod, right. Err wait, it was about the NAACP.
Proving you never read the original post. Sherrod’s name doesn’t even appear until around 7 paragraphs in.
> BTW Sherrod worked for a nonprofit at the time of the video, not the federal government.
Bwahahahaha.
I’ll remember that next time you tell us to get our facts straight.
> This from a women whose husband was killed by racist whites. Naturally this would incline her to help mostly blacks
Was that before or after her husband got half that payout for pain and suffering. Bwahahahahaha.
> You know, I never have seen a full record of his service, or some eyewitness account that disputes what was alleged in the story.
Indeed, the president of the NAACP, Ben Jealous, and the board of directors, were there at the time she made the speech and didn’t dispute anything brietbart said about it. Jealous in fact agreed with brietbart and even chided the audience’s reaction. Then later he claimed he was snookered by a supposedly out of context video, of a speech, he personally witnessed!
> The claim that the documents used were frauds, because typewriters at the time didn’t have sub and superscript is inaccurate and flawed itself.
Yes, it is inaccurate and flawed to claim that the only reason why the memogate documents were fakes was because of sub and superscript. First, I don’t recall subscript appearing in the document. Second, the superscript was cited as an unusual feature. What was more unusual was the way the letters were not evenly spaced, the pseudo kerning that occurred, the perfect centering and so on. The only way it was even theoretically possible to do those things is if they owned a ridiculously expensive typesetting machine, and then crafted the memo with a precision and care that simply made no sense. And even then the chances it would line up with the same text entered into an out of the box copy of word—including the pseudo kerning that is unique to that program—is about slim and none. You’re more likely to win the lottery.
> Even if I was to believe this was some sort of intentional deception, which it clearly wasn’t, that would be one single story in a long career of both the show, and Rather himself.
That went on for over 2 weeks, in the face of mounting evidence.
> This is very different than Breitbart, who appears to have intentionally misled repeatedly
Ah, so now you are psychic. By the way, since in your mind all non-journalists (journolists?) are liars whenever they make an error, what are we to make of your errors?
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/26/2010 @ 7:07 am